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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Is This Good? The show where

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Speaker 1: we boldly, conclusively and scientifically decide what things in this big,

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Speaker 1: wide world are good? Did we kill it right off

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Speaker 1: the top?

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Speaker 2: Nailed it all?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, and with me are two amazing

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Speaker 1: panelists from No Dunks, Lee Ellis and Jason Doyle there

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Speaker 1: in the classic factory. Welcome to Is This Good?

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Speaker 3: Thanks, it's great to be here for the very first

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Speaker 3: show of this. It's a skeleton crew, I will say that,

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Speaker 3: but I think that's fine. I think that's good because

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Speaker 3: I think you only got to need a couple of

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Speaker 3: antas here. Matt. I'm very excited. This is good to

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Speaker 3: have you back.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Oh, thank you, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Good to be back. It's gonna be a rotating cast

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Speaker 1: as the show goes on, so you'll see your favorites,

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Speaker 1: but all your favorites are here right now. Just so

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Speaker 1: I know, jd off the top, what was what happened?

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Speaker 1: Just so I know going forward and I can release

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Speaker 1: it from my mind.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean what happened?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, I heard like a lot of noise, so

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Speaker 1: I thought that's what you were referring to.

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Speaker 1: I guess just shouldn't have said anything.

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Speaker 2: Probably should just let it go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well let's move on. Then. If you have

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Speaker 1: topics for a future show, send them to me at Starters,

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Speaker 1: pod at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 4: JD I sprung for the Gmail.

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Speaker 1: Is that in the budget? No?

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Speaker 2: But you know what, Lee and I will chip in

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Speaker 2: and we'll make it. We'll make it happen. It's fine.

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Speaker 2: It's fine.

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Speaker 4: To introduce myself very briefly.

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Speaker 1: As you may or may not know, I worked with

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Speaker 1: all the guys on the Basketball Jones and the Starters

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Speaker 1: for ten years, and we've spent many long days in

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Speaker 1: an office arguing about the dumbest things possible. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna bring you a little bit of a flavor of

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Speaker 1: that on this show. The premise is very simple. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna give you a topic and all you need to

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Speaker 1: do is tell me if it's good. Are you guys ready?

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Speaker 3: Ready?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 1: First topic, wearing flip flops to a non beach restaurant.

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Speaker 4: Is this good?

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Speaker 3: Wow? Heather off that tie? Should I feel targeted? I

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Speaker 3: mean flip flops? I mean, honestly, unless I'm driving right

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Speaker 3: now or playing sport, I'm only wearing flip flops in

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Speaker 3: the in the Atlanta heat. So I'm feeling I'm feeling

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Speaker 3: immediately this is good. But I think it probably needs

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Speaker 3: a little bit of context though, too, because I mean,

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Speaker 3: look if I when we're in Vegas and we had

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Speaker 3: that beautiful meal together, I mean that was like a

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Speaker 3: sort of semi formal occasion when knew were going out

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Speaker 3: for a big night. It's Vegas. I mean, I'm wearing

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Speaker 3: flip flops everywhere else, but I'm not gonna wear flip

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Speaker 3: flops to that particular occasion. But in a more casual

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Speaker 3: restaurant in Vegas, I would have no problems wearing flip flops.

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Speaker 3: So I guess I guess it gives you know, it

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Speaker 1: Well, so you're saying it's good, But why do you

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Speaker 1: think some people are not comfortable with other people wearing

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Speaker 1: flip flops in a restaurant.

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Speaker 3: I guess it just sort of looks like too casual

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Speaker 3: and too laid back. But again there's I guess there's

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Speaker 3: levels of flip flop too. There's the scruffy you just

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Speaker 3: yeah exactly, there's a little bit more of a stylish

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Speaker 3: you're if it's a you know, an environment where it's

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Speaker 3: of sand or a flip flop. Anyway, if you're then like, hey,

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Speaker 3: let's go and have something to eat. I don't see

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Speaker 3: that as an egregiously offensive to then turn up in

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Speaker 3: just what you're wearing and go and have a meal.

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Speaker 3: But if someone says, okay, let's go back to the hotel,

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Speaker 3: I'll have a shower, clean up, and then we're going

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Speaker 3: to an NATS restaurant, then I think it's uh, someone

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Speaker 3: probably gonna look down and say, oh, you didn't even

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Speaker 3: just that there's a there's a bit of a fine line,

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Speaker 3: to whether or not flip flops are loud or acceptable.

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Speaker 3: But as I say, I think I'm okay with them

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Speaker 2: I have to just say Lee that I am mildly

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Speaker 2: grossed out that you would wear flip flops in Vegas period,

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Speaker 2: like out and about in vague like walking the strip

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Speaker 2: in flip flops. It's it's it's ill advised at best,

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Speaker 2: and then going going to a restaurant. I mean, okay, listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm out on this, all right. I'm saying not good

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Speaker 2: because you know it's your When I'm wearing flip flops,

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Speaker 2: I'm basically barefoot. So if I'm not walking, if I'm standing,

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Speaker 2: one of those flip flops is getting kicked off, for sure,

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Speaker 2: and it's it's like it's against my calf kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: And as soon as I get to the table, I'm

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Speaker 2: in my bare feet and wow, there's a well, so

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Speaker 2: you leave the flip flops on your feet the entire

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just thinking like if you look down and

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Speaker 3: someone's like flick their flip flops off and they're just

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Speaker 3: bare feet, I think that's almost a bit more like, well,

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Speaker 3: this guy's really letting it go right now, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: You know, like because in that sense, you're not doing

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Speaker 3: that again at a nice. At a nice you're like, ah,

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Speaker 3: we're finished at the pool. You want to just grab

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Speaker 3: So you're sort of transitioning rather than you know, like

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Speaker 3: I'll go and shower and come back down and then

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Speaker 3: I'll kick the flip flops off. So yeah, that's the

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Speaker 3: sort of context I was alluding to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the question is to a non beach restaurant,

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Speaker 1: So this is what we're asking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean Vegas is you know, they're obviously

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Speaker 3: all non beach. I mean, it's but it's summer. So again,

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm imagining when I'd be wearing flip flops.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be wearing them in winter, so

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Speaker 3: it wouldn't really count then, But summer non beach destinations.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like like I was in Italy last week.

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Speaker 3: I was walking around in flip flops and night we

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Speaker 3: stopped for an outdoor you know, an outdoor meal. I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean in Italy is one of the

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Speaker 1: most fashionable countries in the world, and you're wearing flip flops,

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Speaker 1: and I mean a sandal. A sandal would be different.

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Speaker 1: I think Italians are all over. Maybe a traditional mule

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Speaker 3: Speaking of are you speaking of Italy? What do you

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Speaker 3: think of my shirt? This is Italian linen I wore

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Speaker 3: for you, Matt, just especially.

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Speaker 1: I mean I have to say you're you're pretty tiny

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Speaker 1: on my screen, but yeah, it looks great. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for wearing your best gear to today's show.

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Speaker 1: Do you take care of your feet, like if you're

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Speaker 1: going to be putting them on display?

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Speaker 3: Do you?

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Speaker 1: Because I think maybe there's a double standard, Like I

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Speaker 1: a flip flop to a restaurant would be okay, But

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Speaker 1: I think they tend to take care of their feet better.

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Speaker 3: So yes, I think women are a bit more inclined

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Speaker 3: to paint the toenails and have the tone I was looking,

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Speaker 3: you know, trim and nice. I mean, look, I trimmed

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Speaker 3: I must trim them before I'm going out type of way,

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Speaker 3: it's more like just like, all right, they're getting a

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Speaker 3: bit long time to give them a clip, you know.

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Speaker 1: Sure, show share sh shirt.

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, I mean so I just think overall

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Speaker 3: again at the non beach, it's more, you know, again

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Speaker 3: probably just not wearing them anyway. So it's more would

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Speaker 3: you wear them, you know, in a summer climate to

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Speaker 3: a restaurant? And I think I think it's good. I

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I found online an article from twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: from GQ, So I don't know if the rules of

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Speaker 1: fashion have changed since twenty sixteen, but the article is

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Speaker 1: called here is exactly where you can and can't wear

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Speaker 1: flip flaps by Justin Fanner. So Lee, I'll it's divided

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Speaker 1: into two parts. Okay, First, places you can wear flip flaps.

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Speaker 1: Just give me a rapid fire if you agree with these, okay,

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Speaker 1: and JD, I feel free to.

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Speaker 3: Chime into on a beach yes obviously, yes to the poor, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In the shower.

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Speaker 3: No, but when I used to play football, Australian football,

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Speaker 3: and after the game you would shower with like twenty

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Speaker 3: other men who would often urinate.

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Speaker 1: In the slow down slow down, but they.

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Speaker 3: Would often urinate in the in the opposing team showers

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Speaker 3: where you play all the home team showers. So yes,

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Speaker 3: you would wear flip flops in that sense in the shower.

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Speaker 1: And that would be part of their training. They would like, no,

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Speaker 1: the You just see, would you when you walk in,

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Speaker 1: is there already a layer like an inch of water

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Speaker 4: You're already water?

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Speaker 3: You know there's there's certainly yes, there's certainly some form

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Speaker 3: of liquid on the ground there, and you just want

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Speaker 3: to avoid what's that thing you can get with on

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Speaker 3: your feet? You know, it's like I guess the athletes

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Speaker 3: foot things like that. So it's sort of to avoid

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Speaker 3: that and to avoid the other gross things that men

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Speaker 3: do in showers.

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Speaker 1: So okay, yes I'm wearing them in the shower.

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Speaker 3: That one at home.

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Speaker 1: No, on the road, yeah, this is just where you can,

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Speaker 1: not where you must, right, Okay.

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Speaker 4: That's the end of the list.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so now it transitions to places you cannot wear

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Speaker 1: flip flops. So just again, rapid fire, tell me if

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Speaker 1: you if you will.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say that first? Yeah, I'm never ever,

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Speaker 2: I don't care how gross the shower is. I will

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Speaker 2: never wear flip flops. Wow, I'm showering never.

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Speaker 3: A Yeah, that's a real I'm going to take you

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Speaker 3: aut to Sumbery one day and we're gonna shower after

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Speaker 3: the lines, have a game of football one day and

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Speaker 3: just see if you hold firm on that Stancele.

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Speaker 4: Goes in and his slides.

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Speaker 1: He's like, JD, there is an inch and a half

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Speaker 1: of piss in this shower, confirmed tested the pH Still

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Speaker 1: no flip flops.

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Speaker 2: Listen, if there's if there's an inch and a half

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Speaker 2: of feces on the ground, what are flip flops gonna do?

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Speaker 2: What is the difference? Like, you might as well wear

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Speaker 4: A great point and worry about your feet later the same.

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Speaker 2: You're washing your feet.

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Speaker 1: So it's fine, Okay, these are places you cannot wear

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Speaker 1: flip flops. But again, Lee, you you tend to wear

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Speaker 1: as you cannot Okay, the office, why are you pause?

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Speaker 1: I've seen you wear flip flops in a in a

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Speaker 2: Have you.

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Speaker 1: But am I wrong? I mean at the NBA TV Days,

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Speaker 2: You know, like it's very clear in my mind, but

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Speaker 2: I might be it might be the Mandela effect, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and change. I just this is this, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I have this fear of driving with flip flops that

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Speaker 2: Now this might be gross, but I always just kicked

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Speaker 2: I'm in bare feet? Wow, like Fred Flintstone, Fred Flintstone,

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Lee here, let's just let's quickly get over

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Speaker 1: with ok Outdoor concert yes, okay, indoor concert.

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Speaker 2: No, okay, date sorry, let me jump in here. Okay,

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Speaker 2: here we had I can't strictly you're gonna wear flip flaps,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm thinking I'm thinking again of the restrooms

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Speaker 1: Probably okay, okay, I'm sure she appreciates that. What about

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Speaker 4: Oh, funeral?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. It depends, of course, exactly

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Speaker 1: Closer to a friend, the more likely you are to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think so, because if you.

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Speaker 1: Wear flip flops to my funeral, I'll fucking come back

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Speaker 3: I am definitely now gonna wear flip flops. You're in

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Speaker 3: la man, there's no way, there's no way if you

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Speaker 3: get buried. Yeah, I'm not wearing shoes out there. It's

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Speaker 3: going to be a nice day. I'm wearing my nicer shirt.

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Speaker 3: I'm wearing a nice pair of shorts.

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Speaker 1: So anywhere near the beach, I love miles from the beach. Ye,

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Speaker 3: For it's a hot weather climate though, So you know

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Speaker 3: I'm looking stylish at your funeral.

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Speaker 4: Okay, a couple more here, Jerry Duty.

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Speaker 3: You're probably not allowed to. I mean it's definitely a

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Speaker 3: roy Yeah that again, I kicked off your judy.

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Speaker 4: You can't be a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: You can't be you know, you can't have committed a crime,

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Speaker 1: and you can't wear sandal flip flops. And then it

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Speaker 1: says New York City, scratch that, any city, GQ uh,

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Speaker 1: And then it says literally anywhere else. So so GQ

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Speaker 1: not as high on flip flops as you are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's the what's the is there the pole?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yes? What do you think what the stream team say.

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Speaker 1: What you are is wearing flip flops to a non

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Speaker 4: Is this good? What are they saying?

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Speaker 1: They're saying Yeah, I'm just gonna say they're saying good.

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Speaker 3: Not good. He's leading at sixty so okay, okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Have to declare that wearing flip ups to a nonbach

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you're you're that's three to one.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I guess so, I guess that's the people have spoken.

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Speaker 1: So people have spoken. I'm sorry, Lee, it's not good,

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Speaker 1: not good. Change your ways, do better, do better, do

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Speaker 1: the work, do the work, and do better.

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Speaker 3: that right?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea, just try.

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Speaker 3: I tried to.

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Speaker 1: But okay, okay, okay, So next topic, I message tap bacs.

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Speaker 4: I'll quickly explain this.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know tap bacs or when someone sends

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Speaker 4: I think I over explained that. So tap bacs. Are

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Speaker 2: I like them?

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Speaker 1: I like okay.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was having a drink with her with

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Speaker 2: our man NASCAR last night, Dan Crossway. We were just

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Speaker 2: anything I like anything that expedites the phone being in

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Speaker 2: thumbs up, give you a ha ha. I don't have

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Speaker 2: to type anything. I just tap it back and that's

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Speaker 2: the end of our interaction. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: What would you say to someone that would say, fine,

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Speaker 1: send an emoji, but send it in a new line,

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Speaker 1: like go through the trouble of finding the emoji.

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Speaker 2: Well I will if I if like there's a very

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Speaker 3: Right, yes, on all message there is. There's only like

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Speaker 4: I just listed I just listed them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just listened them in the over explaining part.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they need to add the grimace.

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Speaker 3: That's what.

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Speaker 2: That's my only complaint about taps like that, the awkward

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Speaker 2: one or the like the I use that more than anything.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 4: That's that's a very need one.

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Speaker 2: But I don't really see the what's the drawback?

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Speaker 1: People find it rude, I think, and people I think

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Speaker 1: it's like abrupt, and people think it's like you're ending

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Speaker 1: the conversation. But that's good too. Yeah, I say that's

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Speaker 1: what's good about it. It's a good way to under

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Speaker 4: It's a good way and end a conversation.

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Speaker 1: And it's also a good way to organize your thoughts,

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Speaker 1: like if someone if someone sends you good news.

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Speaker 4: Like I just passed, Uh, I just passed the bar exam.

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Speaker 1: You can heart that yes, and then right in the

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Speaker 1: you know, having a to collute that line with an emoji. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so Lee, where are you on this one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I like them because I think it pretty much sums up.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're you're in agreement, you accept whatever they're

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Speaker 3: I don't see it's passive. I don't. I don't. The

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Speaker 3: only thing I don't like is that the love heart.

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Speaker 3: I prefer something else for a like That's why I

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Speaker 2: That is the that's yeah, that is it. And then

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Speaker 3: The heart, yeah, which I'm way more of a thumbs

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Speaker 3: don't see. How do you see it's passive aggressive though, man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but again I think it's not responding to.

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Speaker 1: Me with words or even with a personalized emoji. You're

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Speaker 1: just saying, Hey, of these five options, we go and

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Speaker 1: there's no new line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And it's even like you know, like how people want

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Speaker 1: to avoid double texting, Like if I text you, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to text you back till you've texted me? Yes,

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Speaker 1: who who has sent the last? I guess I if

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Speaker 1: I'm tapping back to a Lee message, I guess I

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Speaker 1: get credit for eating last, even though I didn't really

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Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, but it's an acknowledgment, and I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: we're on the same page. Fine. If he needs more clarification,

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Speaker 3: then he can ask me. Otherwise, I'm good. I'm good,

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Speaker 3: He's good. Is my interpretation of a of a of

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Speaker 1: Do you feel about K? Just people that respond to things?

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Speaker 2: Just he's a big K and a big care. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Why do you not find that passive? Aggressive?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Man? Everybody must think, no wonder, I don't have any friends.

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Speaker 1: You just went out last night?

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 3: Is anyone wearing flip flops last night?

439
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,800
Speaker 2: I didn't see anybody? Actually, well, I think there was

440
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 2: a woman there with sort of mules, but not not

441
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,639
Speaker 2: flip flops. But that's all I noticed.

442
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,399
Speaker 4: What year do you think the tap back was introduced?

443
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 2: Oh that's a great.

444
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,920
Speaker 3: Question, protually not that long ago?

445
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 2: Really was? I mean twenty eighteen.

446
00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, it's sixteen. I had no idea that we

447
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 1: it was around that long.

448
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, yeah. You know what I love for it

449
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 2: as well is just sort of going back, Like sometimes

450
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,120
Speaker 2: I have people who will send me like a flurry

451
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 2: of information in separate text you know, and then it

452
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 2: looks like I liked four texts back, you know what

453
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 2: I mean, Like I'll go back and I acknowledge that

454
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 2: I saw that because we're already onto another topic, you

455
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 2: know what I'm.

456
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,880
Speaker 4: Saying, honestly, No, but is it important for me too?

457
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I for a top, for a tap bag,

458
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 2: it's that I'm just part of why it's good.

459
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 1: It's just why does the tap bag help you look backwards?

460
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 2: Because because sometimes I'll get like, oh have you seen

461
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 2: thor it's terrible? Uh, And then the next thing and

462
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 2: then I didn't see that or I didn't respond to

463
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 2: it or whatever, and then the next text is I

464
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 2: will I'll see you there at four or something like that,

465
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 2: at totally separate, and then I'll just go back and say, yeah,

466
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 2: I heard it was bad.

467
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,919
Speaker 1: So like tho, I see, I see, I see, I

468
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 1: see I see.

469
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 2: So I don't so they don't feel like they're being ignored.

470
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 2: But now it sounds like I'm they think I'm being

471
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 2: passive aggressive, extra passive aggressive, but going back and not

472
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Speaker 2: even acknowledging.

473
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,719
Speaker 1: Last time you get invited to see four at four pm, Lee,

474
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: what's the what are the people saying. I think they're

475
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, man, I'm gonna go h for two

476
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 1: on this. I think they're gonna say, not good.

477
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 3: Hmm, you are oh for two Matt seventy three percent

478
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 3: landslide victory of wow, okay, and I have to agree.

479
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 3: I think again, Like I sort of said off the top,

480
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 3: I feel sometimes like someone will send you a simple

481
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 3: text and you start writing back and you're like, does

482
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 3: that sound like I'm, you know, being a smart ass

483
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 3: or something like that, or I'm not trying to be

484
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to say, yep, great, looking forward to it.

485
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 3: See you then, and then it's like, I'm not sure

486
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 3: if I can convey everything I'm trying to say in words.

487
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 3: Instead boom, I'll just hit you with a thumbs up

488
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 3: so you know that. I'm like, I'm in agreement with you.

489
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: I'm on board with whatever it is you're saying. So

490
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 3: I like them. I'm going to continue to use them,

491
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 3: and I'm going to give this one a thumbs up

492
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 3: because I'm in the seventy three percent range.

493
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: All right, So you're saying and instead of explaining something

494
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Speaker 1: with nuance through a series of words that convey feelings

495
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: and emotions, you just respond with one character, well, which

496
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: is a thumbs up.

497
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 3: And that's great. But do you know, do you ever

498
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 3: get like a text message, right that's like just you know,

499
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 3: one of those is a scroller on your page, on

500
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 3: you on your phone. Do you feel you have to

501
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 3: respond with a similar amount of information because it's like

502
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 3: someone's put so much effort into their message and you

503
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 3: if you just hit them back with a K or

504
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 3: a thumbs up in that sense, yes.

505
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: You'd be like, give me a little bits aggressive.

506
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, So in that sense, I mean how much you

507
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 3: have to go halfway about the same three third?

508
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 4: I say a third thing. You know, we like to

509
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 4: mirror each other.

510
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think if someone rates you a long message,

511
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: you have to rate back at least a third of

512
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Speaker 1: the length.

513
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Speaker 3: The third Yeah, okay, okay, and then.

514
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 4: It's a good I think it's a good rule.

515
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: We just feed up then.

516
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 3: And then you notice after that often that sort of

517
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 3: you know, then they come back with about a third

518
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: of yours and you you know, so then that sort

519
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 3: of shrinks and shrinks, and it always ends with just

520
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 3: an emoji anyway of some sort or some sort of

521
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: tap back.

522
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, it all ends in an emoji. Thumbs ups

523
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: all the way down. All right, Next topic, very simple again,

524
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: no explanation needed. Getting someone's autograph? Is this good?

525
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: M Well, I say it's not good because I feel

526
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: like you're giving away a little piece of your soul

527
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: when you're asking somebody, you're actually giving whoever you're asking

528
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 2: an autograph from something, you know what I.

529
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: Mean, piece like an emotional autograph.

530
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 2: It's exactly and then and they're taking a little piece

531
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Speaker 2: of your.

532
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: Soul because you should be embarrassed to ask for on.

533
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes you should be. I think I would

534
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: never ever. I mean I know that Lee is he

535
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: gets things signed.

536
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: Well, so I think it's I just think it's outdated.

537
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 3: Actually now an autograph, it's it's been overtaken by the selfie.

538
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: I mean, kids don't don't go up to you know,

539
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: if you see Lebron James, no one saying hey, can

540
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: I have your autograph. They're saying, can I have a selfie?

541
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 3: It's the same, the same difference. It's the same difference. Yes,

542
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 3: and again I'm fine with kids doing it, but I've

543
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: been to sporting events and especially at baseball for example,

544
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 3: where you've got grown men our age j D streaming

545
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 3: it like.

546
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for not including me a youngster.

547
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 3: Well you look a pretty sharp, I will say, Matt.

548
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: I mean that La Sun is doing wonders for you.

549
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: And I'm still going to die before you, and you

550
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: still will be. Please buy some penny a lot for

551
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: us before then.

552
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 3: I've already got my outfit picked out for your.

553
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 4: Interesting you're gonna be.

554
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna be coming up to my open caskert going, hey, mate,

555
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: can you see my linen shirt?

556
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 3: I picked this one out just for you. If you

557
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 3: can do it around November when Elton John's in town,

558
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 3: so I can go and see Elton John a Dodger

559
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 3: Stadium while I'm there, that'd be great.

560
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Yeah, anyway, work that over, Derek.

561
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: Anyway.

562
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: So and then Alton John can dedicate candle in the

563
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: wind to me.

564
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, anyway, moving on, So those men, though they're

565
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: not doing it for their own collection. They're doing it

566
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 3: so then they can sell stuff on eBay and stuffing.

567
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:33,239
Speaker 3: But they look freakishly pathetic screaming at athletes like you know,

568
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: sign there, sign this, you know, like it's for my kid.

569
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: No it's not. You want to try to make money

570
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 3: off it. So those those are pathetic. As far as

571
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 3: asking for a selfie, I don't mind that if if

572
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 3: it's you know, if you're comfortable with the person, but

573
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 3: it can't be the first thing you say to them.

574
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 3: You can't just walk up, Hey, can I sell? You've

575
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: got to have a little interaction. Then it's like, do

576
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: you mind if we grat up a quick selfie? Boom

577
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: and you're out. So I'm fine with that. I mean

578
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 3: I'm not. It doesn't necessarily the criteria for an autograph,

579
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: but I just think that's the modern autograph is the selfie.

580
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: I would reckon. I would encourage people to to not

581
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: do that. I think it sours the interaction. It's like,

582
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: oh my god, Lebron James, I love you, you're my

583
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: favorite player. It's great to meet you, handshake and be

584
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: on your way.

585
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.

586
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: And then it's a more authentic exchange. You'll always have

587
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: that and it's about you and that person who you admire.

588
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: To get a selfie is like, but that's.

589
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 3: The thing, JD. I agree with the premise of what

590
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 3: you're saying here, but you've got to get those likes

591
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: on social you know, you don't tell tell a kid

592
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: these days like you met Lebron James and someone, Hey,

593
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 3: I met Lebron James. Awesome show. It's the picture. Well,

594
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: I chose not to take a picture of it.

595
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: That's the that's the pinnacle of cool. That is the

596
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 2: coolest thing ever.

597
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: But you think a seventeen year old kids going to

598
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: be like, nah, I didn't want that selfie. I just

599
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,719
Speaker 3: wanted the interaction, the memory.

600
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: Even I think that then they'll run. They're going like

601
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: I think that Lebron James or whoever it is, Alton

602
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: John whoever is going to be like, Okay, sure I'll

603
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: take a picture of it. Like and they and then

604
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: they get self conscious like I don't know, how's my

605
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: how's my hair? Like you know what I mean? Like

606
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: you're putting you're putting them on the spot. It's just

607
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: like it's it. It takes it down a notch an

608
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: authentic interaction is just brought down a notch.

609
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like again, I agree in the in the in

610
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: the sense of the moment, like, yes, you don't want

611
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 3: to be like that tacky and say, like you know what,

612
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 3: I don't need a selfie, right, I've just had this

613
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 3: moment with you. I just think it's very difficult to

614
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 3: sell to anybody because because people want want that, you know,

615
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 3: they want they want to be able to document and

616
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: show their friends and live off it for a while.

617
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, I guess, I mean, we.

618
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 4: Just asked for your autograph mine.

619
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, a few times.

620
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, people have asked you for your and what did

621
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: you sign?

622
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: Like out of whatever I've mean, whatever I've got. I've

623
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: got video of Tredy being asked to sign a hot

624
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: again in Las Vegas with Mustard. I'm not sure if

625
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: I had any condiments on it or not. But he

626
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: did it happily, you know.

627
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 4: But I mean, was he signing it with Mustard pent To?

628
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, so where is that heart tag now? Is

629
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: it capped somewhere?

630
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: Maybe? Maybe? I mean it's a weird thing. I mean,

631
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: you see people now, you know a lot of times

632
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 3: I sign here, sign there, you know, mark their body,

633
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: but of course it's going to rub off eventually.

634
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: Or you get a tattoo. That's when happens sometimes.

635
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, right, your tattooed that sort of while it's

636
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: still fresh on your skin there, right, Yeah.

637
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: Now we are listen, We've had fan meetups and stuff

638
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: like that for you know, our fans and people have

639
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 2: asked me for yourselfie and I'm happy to do it.

640
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: But that's that's the purpose of that event, you know

641
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: what I mean. Or when we're hanging out by the

642
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: set like that, that's fine, I think.

643
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 3: And that's also never the first thing they say. It's

644
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: not like Jeddiel it's first. It's like, hey, I'm Bob

645
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: from Nobra. I love the show. Yeah, Hey, I've been

646
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: wanting to get into production. You talk and and then

647
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: as I move on, do you mont if I grab

648
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: a quick selfie? Of course?

649
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. Now that that's different. I'm talking about like

650
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: in the traditional sense of asking somebody for an autograph

651
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: where they're having dinner or whatever and you're already interrupting

652
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: the you know, or you're in an airport.

653
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

654
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: Shout out to one of our friends who really milked

655
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: a selfie over the last couple of days. But but yeah,

656
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: I mean there's a time and a place, and I

657
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: think that if you're asking the bigger the star, the

658
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: if you're asking for a selfie is just like I

659
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: don't know, it just or an autograph is just it

660
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: cheapens the experience, and I think that you personally will

661
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: cherish the moment that much more if you don't ask

662
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: for an autograph. But you know what, do I.

663
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I'm agreeing with both of you. I'm a

664
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: not good I think it is okay if you're a kid,

665
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: and I'll actually add the caveat that I'd become more

666
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: okay with it if they're signing a thing that is

667
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: related to them. So it's like, I think it's cool

668
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: when a baseball player signs a baseball like especially like

669
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a home running hit or something,

670
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: and you know, Ken Griffy Junior signs it, right, But

671
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: like when someone is like just see someone's like, oh,

672
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: can you sign this napkin?

673
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 4: Like what are you doing with that?

674
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I just wonder though, even I mean, how

675
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: many kids even do that anyway? These days? Because I

676
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: just don't think kids think about nothing.

677
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: I think it's just I think it's purely become a

678
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: business thing. Now. It's like, you want to sign this

679
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: headshot or I don't know this, you want me to

680
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: get all six friends signature on this script or something

681
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: like that.

682
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 4: Apparently, I don't know if.

683
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: This is true or not, but I read that Steve

684
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: Martin carried business cards in the eighties because obviously he

685
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: was so famous, people would often ask him for his

686
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: autograph and the card said, oh see what it says.

687
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: This certifies that you've had a personal encounter with me

688
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: and that you found me warm, polite, intelligent and funny.

689
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: May we all get so famous that we can bring

690
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: business cards.

691
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: Like that ahead of the game. J That's exactly what

692
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: it should be, shouldn't it that I got the business

693
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: Did you get it? Ad enough? Nah? Selfie? Nah, I

694
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: got a business card. Oh that's that's next level. I

695
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: mean that's going for a few bucks on eBay as well.

696
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: What are the people in the YouTube Paul saying, Okay,

697
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: let me try to get this one run.

698
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: I think they're saying not good.

699
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, sixty four percent. In fact, it was up way higher.

700
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: It was into the seventies there. So maybe we've got

701
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: a few people juicing it towards the end there to

702
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: bring it down. But I think overall, I think, I think,

703
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: I mean, again, I agree with what JD's saying in

704
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 3: the sense that you don't pounce on someone and hit

705
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: him straight away with it. At the end of the interaction.

706
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: If you're feeling good about it, it's fine. But again,

707
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: I can't imagine a kid in a school yard like

708
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 3: it was for us, saying look I got I got

709
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: some and So's autograph. The kids would be like, who cares? Man,

710
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: Like show us a photo, you know what I mean,

711
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: Like they want to see it, so, you know. But

712
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: when we were kids, we used to go to like

713
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: the footy or the cricket and if you can get

714
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: your signatures, and you'd come back at the end of

715
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: the day on like the record from the game and

716
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: it would have five signatures. Like that was gold in

717
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: the eighties.

718
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: Really, I mean, I guess I get it. I remember

719
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: being in the school yard one time and this kid

720
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: came up to me and said, oh, I met Prince

721
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: last night, here's his autograph, And I was like, wow,

722
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: it was just the sign It was literally as squiggle.

723
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: This was way before the sign but but yeah, I

724
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: mean it's like, oh, wow, you're lying, but probably, but

725
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: who knows.

726
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: And that's the other thing is a signature, an autograph

727
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: can clearly be like you can say, well, that's I mean,

728
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: I used to write signatures of NBA players and tell

729
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: friends that though were the real signatures, and they weren't. Right,

730
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: you can't question a photo. But I also think there's

731
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: a bit of a personal bias with you and Prince

732
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: there which may have affected that interaction.

733
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: Man, I love I love Prince. Save Prince for another episode.

734
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 4: All right, yeah, oh yeah, great, great point.

735
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: All right, so so far we found out that two

736
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: things are good, so that you can you can add

737
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: those to your lists. We're gonna take a break, but

738
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: when we come back, we've got some more spicy topics,

739
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: including a deep dive.

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00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 4: On alien ant farm welcome back. Is this good? Jad?

741
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: Are the ads that we just heard? Are those going

742
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: to be in the podcast when people listen to them?

743
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: Yes? Well I think so, yes, that's okay.

744
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: Good, good, good, Because it's my first show and I

745
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: don't want to have that thing where the host goes, okay,

746
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: we're taking a break and then they come right back,

747
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, what I mean, they left a space for

748
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: a dynamic ad insertion that has not yet occurred, and

749
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: I won't be embarrassed on my first episode.

750
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: I hope that doesn't happen, but that has happened in

751
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: the past, so it is a dynamic ad. So it

752
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: is possible that that what you just described is what's

753
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: going to happen. And if you're listening on the Athletic app,

754
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: that's exactly what's going to happen.

755
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 4: Oh, that's okay.

756
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: That's okay because that's people have paid extra to not.

757
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: Have the exactly And I think that it feels better

758
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: when you hear we're going to a break and then

759
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: we come right back. It's like my subscription, it is

760
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: so much more worth it now that I don't.

761
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 4: Well right as the listener.

762
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: I always appreciate when they come right back because I

763
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: don't have to skip through the ad exactly, but I

764
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: always feel it feel bad for them. I'm like, I

765
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: guess this show isn't that good. They couldn't sell this.

766
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: It has been happening a lot on a lot of podcasts.

767
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, I know brands want to work with me.

768
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, I know the phone's been ringing off the

769
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: hook since we announced this show.

770
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: So oh really the landline.

771
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: My landland Yeah, it's.

772
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 4: Okay.

773
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: Let's get to first or the fourth topic here. This

774
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: one has a little backstory, so allow me to explain.

775
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: Late this June at Planet Mimi tweeted the music video

776
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: of alien Ant Farm's cover of Smooth Criminal with the

777
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: caption back when life was good. This simple tweet went viral,

778
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: has over two hundred thousand likes and is a great

779
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: reminder that people love to remember some guys. A conversation

780
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 1: ensued online on the merits of being a popular band

781
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: but only because of a cover song. And this might

782
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: be hard to remember, but this band was popular. Smooth

783
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: Criminal went to twenty three on the Billboard Hot one

784
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: hundred and the album went platinum. So I ask you,

785
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: being a fan miss band but only because of a

786
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: cover song?

787
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 4: Is this good?

788
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: Well? Lee, what do you think?

789
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 3: Well? I will say that cover they did I thought

790
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: was actually really good. I liked it because it was

791
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: completely different from Michael Jackson, which if you're going to

792
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: do a cover, go all in like that. So that

793
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: was great. Now do you want to be famous just

794
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: because of that? Though? That shouldn't be why you're famous,

795
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: So I don't think if you want to be a

796
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: real you know, musical talent or a band that people

797
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: want to go and see, you don't want to go. Oh,

798
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 3: I liked it when they covered that Michael Jackson song

799
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: Let's go and see the whole show. So I'm saying,

800
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: I'm saying it's not good. You need to be more

801
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: than that, because you know, you've taken someone else's song,

802
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: a banger, I mean, from Michael Jackson's collection, and you've

803
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: done great with it. But it's like, okay, but you've

804
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 3: got to have your own. You've got to have your

805
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: own music. And look, I don't know much about Alien Outfi.

806
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: They did another cover, actually didn't you don't?

807
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: Nah?

808
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 3: Nah? I mean I couldn't tell you where they're from,

809
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: band members, anything like that, but I know that we're

810
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: that song comes on the radio, I'm like, sure, I'll

811
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: listen to it because it's, uh, it's pretty good.

812
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: So I'm saying, well, it's good because it's a Michael

813
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: Jackson's right, I mean, ultimately it's a I agree with

814
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: you that it's a good version of a Michael Jackson song,

815
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: but it's it's still a cover. Yes, and it's good

816
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: because it's a great song by one of the greatest

817
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: songwriters ever.

818
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: But is it?

819
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: I guess I have a question, Matt, like is it? Who?

820
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: Is it good for?

821
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: Like?

822
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: Is it?

823
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: Are you asking? Like if you're the band? Is it good?

824
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: Like?

825
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 2: Is this is my musical career a success? If I

826
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: if my one hit is a cover song, that's the question, right, Like, Yeah, I.

827
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: Would say that's one way to look at I guess

828
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: another way to look at it would be if you

829
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: had one hit song only like in your band, Yeah,

830
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: Stone Stone Soul Picnic, let's say, Yeah, to make it

831
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: real personal, would you be okay with that?

832
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: Would you?

833
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: Would you think that was good?

834
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: I mean, well you yeah, it'd be fine. Yeah, because

835
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 2: listen because if you're your other sign, this the cover

836
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: song was a gateway to your band. And if you

837
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: didn't have any more hits, that's on you, man, you

838
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like, but at least you got

839
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: a little taste of what it was like to have

840
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: a number one hit song, right Is that? Is that

841
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: a number one hit song?

842
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: Like on the alternative charts it went number one, not

843
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: on Yeah.

844
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: Not on the Hot one hund I think it was

845
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 4: twenty three.

846
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, which to me, like, that's the album sold over

847
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: a million copies?

848
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: Right? But yeah, but so when was that? What year

849
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: was that that.

850
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: Would have been?

851
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: Uh, I should have written two thousand and two or

852
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: something like that. Yeah, when we're still used to buy that.

853
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: I mean, look, that's something that our kids will never experience,

854
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: like one hit song, bang, I'm buying the whole album

855
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: and listening to it. Now, if you like a song,

856
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 3: you download it or whatever you do, and that's it.

857
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: You don't have to go through the whole album. And

858
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: that's an experience that I think our kids are a

859
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: less so four because I think that's part of the

860
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: fun is like I want to see what else they've

861
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: got in there on their album. Maybe look Alien inn Farm,

862
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: Maybe they're the rest of the album tanked. Sure, that happens,

863
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 3: but at least people were still buying enough to sell

864
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 3: over a million Did you say a million copies they

865
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 3: sold of that?

866
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, platinum, so it's at least a million copies?

867
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: Crazy all right, So I believe.

868
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: How long this has taken me to find when that was?

869
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: You think you just put that in in two thousand

870
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: and one, two thousand.

871
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 2: One, right, Yeah, yeah.

872
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

873
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: And then by the way, Lee, it was number one

874
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: in Australia.

875
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: It doesn't surprise me. Yeah yeah. It's a sort of

876
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: a hard rock version of a song here we were

877
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 3: Australians would have loved that, no doubt about it.

878
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 4: Hey, you hear this one, Jones.

879
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: It's the song we knew from before, but the guitar's

880
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: allowed it.

881
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 4: I mean, weird.

882
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: Weird do you stand on someone like Vanilla Ice, who

883
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 3: you know, obviously different lyrics, but he ripped off the

884
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 3: music from from Queen to make his one hit.

885
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 4: He claims he did, and he claims they're different.

886
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: He claims they're different.

887
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: That is, by the way, that's a classic.

888
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: I mean like but he he also understands that's his

889
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: only song and he still performs it now at NBA

890
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: games at half time. He's still living off the money

891
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: from that. He's still living off the fame and the claim.

892
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: So he has no problem with it, you know, because

893
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: technically it's a different well, lyrically obviously different, the music

894
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 3: is exactly the same.

895
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 2: It's it is. It's a sample of the music. I mean,

896
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: it's clear, and I think it's possible that Vanilla Ice

897
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 2: never realized that. I think it's possible he just didn't

898
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: didn't know, Like a producer just put it in front

899
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 2: of him and he he did his stupid little rap

900
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: and then you know, But there are so many songs

901
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: that are like that. I mean, the most recent in

902
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: my mind is the Robin Thick Marvin Kay thing right Like,

903
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: which is clearly Marvin Gay and I like people were well,

904
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: I mean young people didn't know, but I was like, wow,

905
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: this is obviously Yeah that Marvin Gay sun, which I

906
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: can't think.

907
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 4: Of, got to give it up, got to give it up.

908
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but yeah, I mean there's a million like.

909
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: One.

910
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's that's it's it's it's kind of it's different.

911
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: It's more like uh, that Sam Smith song stay with Me,

912
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: which is just I won't back down, and like I

913
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: think he ended up paying Tom Petty for that. Here's

914
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: here's some songs, or here's some bands that are known

915
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: only for a cover. And I think maybe what separates

916
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: it is does your cover is your cover so good

917
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: that it becomes the definitive version of the song. I

918
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: think that that's obviously makes it makes it better. Okay, So, like,

919
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: for instance, Sinead O'Connor, nothing compares to you.

920
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: Did cover that's that?

921
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Prince Well, Prince wrote it, but it wasn't

922
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: actually a Prince song though, right it was.

923
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: Oh he did record it, but I guess not till after.

924
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he gave it was released with another band

925
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: on his label or something. Yeah, I can't I don't

926
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: even know the name of the band. But but yeah,

927
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: but go ahead.

928
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: Sorry, Okay, So anyways, I don't think, for instance, for

929
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: Shnae O'Connor, good, very good, very good, ub forty Red

930
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: Red Wine, and then their other hit was an Elvis cover,

931
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: Can't Help Falling in Love with? Oh Yeah, Joe Cocker's

932
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: Little Help for My Friends is the definitive version of

933
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: the Beatles.

934
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: I actually do. It's definitely better than the Beatles version.

935
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: That might be sacrilegious to say, but.

936
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 4: No, I think you're right.

937
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: But you think the Wonder Years influenced that as well?

938
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: No, I don't, I do, because that's just where I mean.

939
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: I think that it increased this popularity, but it's still

940
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: it was as to the day it came out. It

941
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: was better. I mean, I think Woodstock really put it

942
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: on the map. But but yeah, what's what's what's wood woodstock?

943
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: What woodstock?

944
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: Is that? Was that as big as the Wonder Yours? No?

945
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: But I agree.

946
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: I think the Wonder Yours help because it kept it

947
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: in the public consciousness.

948
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: Did you know?

949
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: I get I don't know if this is just like

950
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: a lie that someone edited into Wikipedia, you know, in

951
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: Smooth Criminal, when it's like Annie, are you okay?

952
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: Do you know what that is a reference to?

953
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: Oh? I did?

954
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you. You tell me if this is the

955
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: same version or Wikipedia is playing a trick on me.

956
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: Apparently it's inspired by a rescue Annie, which is a

957
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: dummy used in CPR training. Does that sound like a lie,

958
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: like you know, like the name of that doll? Yes, okay,

959
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: then I just lied to you. Well I just repeat it.

960
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just as bad.

961
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

962
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: So anyway, so I'm saying good, JD saying good, Lee

963
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: saying not good. I'm saying okay, well, and the people

964
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 1: are saying.

965
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: They agree with the big a here we got sixty

966
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 3: six good.

967
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

968
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: But if it was so people, I think people are

969
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: acting like, well, like, first of all, if it's if

970
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: it's so easy to just take a hit song, yeah,

971
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: you record it and have it go number one and

972
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: sell a million copies of the album on which that

973
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: song's on.

974
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 4: Then everyone would do it.

975
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's not I mean yeah, I mean look

976
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 3: for example, Shneida Kinda. I don't think generally most people

977
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: would know that to cover. I don't think I think

978
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: people just think that was her one hit wonder, right,

979
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: because I don't think it's common like that.

980
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: But we would you be okay with being a one

981
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: hit wonderly? Would you say if I said being a

982
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: one hit wonder good or not?

983
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: Well?

984
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: I mean, would I get to perform at Wembley just

985
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: one time living off that that one hit one? Yeah?

986
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: Yes, of course, yes, of course if it was like

987
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 4: come on.

988
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: Aileen Dexy's Midnight Runners.

989
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, a reginal It was a reginald that one.

990
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,479
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I just I just remember that Tainted Love.

991
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that's right.

992
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: Gloria Jones like a motown song song I didn't hear

993
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: till much later, and it's great. Yeah yeah, but I

994
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: would say soft Cell has the definitive version.

995
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah. And then Rihanna used that in her

996
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: first real hit. What was that one she released? You know,

997
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: it's like so o s. That was the music of

998
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 3: of of Tinted Love.

999
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, what does Jeff Buckley have the definitive hallelujah? Yeah,

1000
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: it's a tough one. Okay, let's get to our final

1001
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: topic here, another simple one.

1002
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 4: Throwing deuces in photos?

1003
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: Is this good? And I guess if you don't know

1004
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: what that means that's doing this throwing up the peace

1005
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: sign in a photo.

1006
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 2: Well, if you do it this way in Europe or Britain,

1007
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: I mean this is like the finger right, that's right,

1008
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: absolute and before the people listening, I'm it's I'm I've

1009
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 2: got the back of my hand towards the camera as

1010
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: though I was giving the finger, but it's two fingers up. Uh,

1011
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: I'm for peace. So I guess I I guess it's good.

1012
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: The peace sign. I like the peace sign. I do

1013
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: that a lot, not in photos, but just when I'm

1014
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: walking in my neighborhood to neighbors, I always throw the

1015
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: pieces to it. I don't know why, Like I have

1016
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: a theory.

1017
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: If you notice when someone takes a photo, often the

1018
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: thing that stands out is what they're doing with their

1019
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: hands or arms, and it's like you just don't know

1020
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 3: what to do with them sometimes, right, So sometimes you

1021
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 3: just need to do, like, you know, something, just so

1022
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 3: it doesn't look like you're just standing there like like,

1023
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what I'm supposed to be

1024
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: arm around the person. You know, we are we hugging,

1025
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 3: and we are we inclose, we intimate, or we're just like, yeah,

1026
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 3: this is great fun. So you sort of almost need

1027
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: to do it just to animate the photo a little bit.

1028
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: Because you see people on their on their photos and

1029
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: they're standing in front of something and you're just like,

1030
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: I can't see what they're seeing? What what what the

1031
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: photo's supposed to be about, because I'm just looking at

1032
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: how weird and awkward their arms look because they're just

1033
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: hanging there. So I'm good with it. I'm good with

1034
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: some sort.

1035
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: Of a gesture, yeah, some sort of something to do

1036
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: with the hands, right right, Yes.

1037
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 4: I agree.

1038
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: That's why I think it's good too. I mean I

1039
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: used to think it was dumb and cheap he growing up,

1040
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: but then I as I get older, I realized I

1041
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with my hands and LEAs

1042
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: as someone that's been on TV, that's like the number

1043
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: one complain about people that are on TV.

1044
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 4: They're like, what do I do with my hand?

1045
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: So I hold hold them like this?

1046
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: Oh I hold exactly.

1047
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dreaded vagina hands vagina hands.

1048
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's right. Yeah, here's here's some some tips

1049
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: I found online people that do this. Well, they say,

1050
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: you're you're supposed to touch your face with any of

1051
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: your spring fingers or spread them on the side of

1052
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: your eyes like that.

1053
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 2: Really, so that's brand.

1054
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just thinking that when he does they

1055
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 3: need a photo for the for the paper, and he does.

1056
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: He's on the bench and he's doing this sort.

1057
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: Of stuff like, yeah, well, Lee, you're someone that has

1058
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: a lot of like a backlog of photos. So do

1059
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: you think it would like if you're looking back at

1060
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: every photo you're doing this, do you think it would

1061
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 1: ruin it or date it or no?

1062
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: Because I think I've got a collection of photos of

1063
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: me just standing there with my arms dangling. And that's

1064
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: again what people notice. They're like, oh, what do I

1065
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: do with my arms here at the Do people notice it? Though?

1066
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: I mean like, yeah, I think you might be self

1067
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: conscious about it.

1068
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: Maybe, but I noticed it as well, and other people, like,

1069
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 3: you know, I've seen friends standing in front of like

1070
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: some historic monument and I'm like, I'm just looking because

1071
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 3: they're like they just don't know what to do. Put

1072
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 3: the hands in the pockets, you don't want to sort

1073
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: of cross your arms like that. That looks a little

1074
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: passive aggressive that way.

1075
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: So what about the behold gesture? It's the Colosseum.

1076
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: Well, so interesting you say the colos scene because I

1077
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: was just there and the.

1078
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: Amount of people are in sandals, just like just like

1079
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: a gladiator, and.

1080
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: The amount of people who you know again like it's

1081
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 3: this color scene thousands of years old, and they're like,

1082
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: you know, trying to sexy it up. I'm just like, man,

1083
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: that's that needs a little more respect, the Colossecene than that.

1084
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: You respect the place where men fight to the.

1085
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 3: I just you know, the instagramification of everything is that

1086
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 3: now where it's it's just hilarious. Like I saw these

1087
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: two guys in the swimming pool taking photos for each

1088
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: other and the guy was doing it in the slow

1089
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: moo coming out of the water as if he was like,

1090
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 3: you know, some sort of model. Like I'm like, you're

1091
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: in a hotel swimming pool, man, Like it's the swimming pool.

1092
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 3: Who cares? Just get out then you don't need to

1093
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 3: slow mode either. I do you know they were a slomper.

1094
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: I could hear them. I could hear it. He put

1095
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: it in slow and then he's doing his hair and

1096
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 3: all this sort of stuff. And I'm like, oh, my god, kids,

1097
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: this guy was thirty. This guy was thirty easily, I'm

1098
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: telling him. And then him and him and his bro

1099
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: they switched it around as well, and he took He

1100
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 3: spent half an hour in the pool minimum, not swimming

1101
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 3: or splashing, having fun, just taking photos.

1102
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, he's a thirty year old man

1103
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: and you want him to be splashing.

1104
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 3: I want him to be I wanted to go enjoy

1105
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: the pool first and then if you want a photo, sure,

1106
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 3: but not like he was sitting on the lounger. He

1107
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: was when they coming out of the water. He was

1108
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: walking along the edge. And I'm like, this is not

1109
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: the Caribbean man, this is not like a beautiful like

1110
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: you know, one of the world's beautiful beaches. It's a

1111
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 3: hotel swimple. You couldn't tell where you are. You could

1112
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: be any place on Earth, and you're doing all this

1113
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 3: for the swimming pool, Like, just enjoy the water. Man,

1114
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: he didn't enjoy it. Then they packed up and they

1115
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 3: went back to the hotel room, and I'm like, all right,

1116
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 3: that's that's crazy.

1117
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, what a what a sad trip? What are

1118
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: the people? What do people say about that? Are they produces?

1119
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: Do they think throwing deuces and photos is good?

1120
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: Well? Wait wait wait? Do you think the pole is

1121
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 3: on this?

1122
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna say yes, it's good.

1123
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty close though, it's fifty nine percent of

1124
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 3: saying good. So yeah, I think I think people are

1125
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: the same. You kind of got to do something in

1126
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 3: your photo to not you want to you want the

1127
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: photo to not be noticed that you're like doing something

1128
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: completely dorky or or or you know, weird with your

1129
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 3: arms or your legs. So ah, yeah, I think most people. Well,

1130
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 3: actually I thought it would be a little bit high,

1131
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: to be.

1132
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: Honest, But forgive my ignorance here, and I guess I

1133
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: should have asked this off the top. But it doesn't

1134
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: mean anything other than does it mean peace or when

1135
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: it's in a photo, like when kids do it and

1136
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: they do this. Yeah, I did look it up.

1137
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: So there's like ten different explanations as to where it

1138
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: came from. I mean, I'll read you one like a

1139
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: kanka the Japanese camera company. Nineteen seventy two. They had

1140
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,479
Speaker 1: a TV commercial that a pop singer named June knew

1141
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: in it and he made the He was popular for

1142
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: making the V sign on stage, and in the commercial

1143
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: he does it. And then apparently people say that's when

1144
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: it went mainstream. But then I read five other explanations.

1145
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: This could be like an any any r U.

1146
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm just being lied to.

1147
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: I'm just being played, played for a goddamn sucker. Oh,

1148
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: let's just do a quick review of today so you

1149
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: can know what's good going forward in your life. Flip

1150
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: flops to an MBI restaurant not good? Getting someone oh,

1151
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: tap acts good, Getting someone's autograph not good? YEA being

1152
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: a famous band because of a cover song good?

1153
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 4: Right, Throwing deuces good.

1154
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: We're very positive.

1155
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm impressed.

1156
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: Very positive.

1157
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: Now what are we what are we doing with this information?

1158
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: Are we putting it somewhere like as a reference, like

1159
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 2: should we start a I don't know, Wikipedia page or

1160
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: something like some sort of reference guide for people moving forward?

1161
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a it's an each one,

1162
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: teach one scenario. So It's like, I think, you guys,

1163
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: now go home. Lee. You tell Sebastian and Oscar, here's

1164
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: these things are good to do in life. These things

1165
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: are not good. Jdu tell your kids, and.

1166
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 4: Then one day they will tell their kids.

1167
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: I love it when.

1168
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: They're when they're at your funeral wearing flip flops. They

1169
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: want one thing without my dad? Is he always knew

1170
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: what was good that from that podcast he was on?

1171
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: Is this good? All?

1172
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 3: Right?

1173
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: Before we end, We're going to go to our final segment,

1174
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: subjective trivia. Subjective trivia is just like regular trivia, except.

1175
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 4: Only I know the answer.

1176
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: So there's a bit of a backstory for today's question.

1177
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: If you listen to No Dunks regularly, you'll know that

1178
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: all of us were in Las Vegas a few weeks

1179
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: ago hang out, and you'll also know that we did karaoke,

1180
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: and you might have also heard the story where we

1181
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: got caught in the Taken Easy loop, which was basically

1182
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: that the song take It Easy by the Eagles would start,

1183
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: we'd hear the chiming guitars, we'd hear the running down

1184
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: the road trying to loosen my load. We'd hear the

1185
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: chorus and in the course it would start again, right,

1186
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: We're only hearing about, like, you know, a minute of

1187
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: the song, and we were into it every time, and

1188
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: we start saying again, and the more it repeated, the

1189
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: more we got into it, the more gusto we said,

1190
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: we're trying to loosen our loads. So lead, because I

1191
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: knew you were going to be on and you are

1192
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: one of the world's foremost Billy Joel scholars.

1193
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, is that accurate?

1194
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 3: Ah? Yes, I mean I love Billy Love.

1195
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: You've seen him in concert.

1196
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 3: I've seen him a couple of times. Yeah, And okay,

1197
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 3: you see him. He's playing at Madison Square Garden again.

1198
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 3: I think he said he's going to keep playing as

1199
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 3: long as they keep selling out. He's up to like

1200
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: seventy five shows or something like that. So I definitely

1201
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 3: want to get to a Billy Joel at Madison Square

1202
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 3: Garden at one time in my life.

1203
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: Okay, great, So I think you're you're perfectly equipped to

1204
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: answer this question, although j D is as well. So

1205
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: keeping in mind the ticket easy glitch, today's subjective trivia

1206
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: question is what is the best Billy Jewel song to

1207
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: sing a karaoke when the beginning of the track keeps

1208
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: starting over. Okay, Now, even I was surprised at the answer,

1209
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: and I have it written down on this on this

1210
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: Q code, so it's it's not cheap.

1211
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: Well, I mean to tack it out. Yeah, look, look

1212
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 3: a couple of bangs. I mean, I know Jad's not

1213
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 3: going to want we didn't start the five, which is fine.

1214
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 3: I don't think it has to be that one. I

1215
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: think piano man has got to be in the conversation

1216
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 3: because it's.

1217
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: Well, there's an answer though.

1218
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's still rock and roll to me. I think

1219
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,479
Speaker 3: I think maybe that you know what's the matter.

1220
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 2: You know, again, this is your opinion, right, Matt, This

1221
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 2: is correct, totally subjective. This is what you believe.

1222
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I think it is the answer, and

1223
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm again I was surprised that it's the answer. But

1224
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: I gave it a lot of thought and I want

1225
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: you to keep in mind, especially a few things with

1226
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: take it Easy. What made it successful as a glitch song? Upbeat? Yes,

1227
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: and then from the intro to the verse of the

1228
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,479
Speaker 1: chorus very fast, Yes, so you're you're getting a full

1229
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: flavor of the song before it repeats.

1230
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's easy to it's easy to know the

1231
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: words too. That's the other thing I think is important.

1232
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: Everyone knew the words without necessarily having to reach.

1233
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, great, great point too. So then I took

1234
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: all that into account. So for instance, like the Stranger,

1235
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: which is a great Villagel song, it starts with just

1236
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: that piano like and do do so like what you

1237
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: wouldn't get anywhere? You know what I'm saying, Like, what's

1238
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: the point of that repeating? You would just be hearing

1239
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: the intro. So keep all these things in mind.

1240
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: Okay, So do we each get a chance to answer this?

1241
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean it, just just say things, just say things. Yeah,

1242
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you if you're writer.

1243
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: Man, all right, do you have well?

1244
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 3: Well, I actually, uh I think it's that or it

1245
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 3: might even be Uptown Girl, because that's got a great

1246
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 3: start to it as well.

1247
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, JD Yeah, it's my life.

1248
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: Oh I don't care what you're saying more than actually

1249
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: I have to say Lee's correct.

1250
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 4: The answer is wh Yeah? And now is it?

1251
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: It's not the best billage All song.

1252
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 3: No, it's no, it's it's uh, it's it's a great

1253
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: one to sing though. It is a really good fun

1254
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 3: song to sing.

1255
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: Okay, come in right away with.

1256
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: That's what that's what it goes. No, it starts with

1257
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: the woes.

1258
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 3: But oh yeah, but that gets the people moving in

1259
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 3: a carry out.

1260
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. It'd be fun.

1261
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: It'd be fun to do that, and every time you

1262
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: could sort of change the way you're singing the woes

1263
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: and then and then what's the first thing is the

1264
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: chorus no verse?

1265
00:55:59,400 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1266
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that it just if you just

1267
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: repeated the wo wo intro into the chorus and then

1268
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: it restarted again, I think that you'd be totally fine.

1269
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, because piano, man, he goes into the harmonica almost

1270
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: off the top from the piano intro, doesn't he. So

1271
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 3: yeah that that takes a little bit of like that's swag.

1272
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: And the verses are really long, yeah yeah they are. Yeah,

1273
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: but it's a while to get to the lar did

1274
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: he die?

1275
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.

1276
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 2: I mean if you're in a good karaoke room and

1277
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: it is a great drinking song, yeah absolutely, yeah.

1278
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: What is the sign? Yeah, yeah, you got the.

1279
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: They won two three on the wall type thing and

1280
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: but yeah, and there is a big wank of the

1281
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: piano wank off the top of him just showing off

1282
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: and then harmonica.

1283
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's a good So it's at

1284
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 3: the Madison in Toronto late into the night. That's an

1285
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 3: absolute crack at. But Billy's got some bangers. I mean,

1286
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: he's marvelous, marvelous entertainer.

1287
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 4: Well, now you guys know, no, you know what's good.

1288
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: You know that if you are at a karaoke place

1289
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: and you have to play a Billago song and it

1290
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: has to keep repeating, Uptown girl.

1291
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 4: Is the way to go.

1292
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: Do you guys have anything to promote before we go?

1293
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do we What do we do this week? Lee?

1294
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 2: We did Poppin' Packs with Kevin Dwire earlier this week.

1295
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: That's in the YouTube feed or the podcast feed. We

1296
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: also did Tassie, had Jason Stark from The Athletic on

1297
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: No Bunts, which was great. They were talking about the

1298
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 2: trade deadline. What else do we do?

1299
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 3: We had great And yesterday had the guys from the

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Speaker 3: Red Flags podcast on to break down the Hungarian GP.

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Speaker 3: That was great.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's on a separate feed, the No Breaks feed. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was it. And this is the last show.

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Speaker 3: We're doing this right, And I'm so disappointed that Kevin

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Speaker 3: Durant or Donovan Mitchell didn't get traded this week, so

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Speaker 3: it would have just been me and JD and here

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Speaker 3: to talk about it. That's what I was really hoping for. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: no movement. They're not even like even roomors, not even

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Speaker 3: any like you know, they're close to a deal or

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Speaker 3: anything like that. So we've still got one day though, tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: And there's the weekend too, Yeah, that's right, weekend shift,

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Speaker 2: the late shift. Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I just hope that it happens. For that reason,

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Speaker 3: maybe you could even come in too, Matt and talk

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Speaker 3: a little hoops.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll be I'll be there.

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Speaker 1: So just a reminder, a few topics you want to

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Speaker 1: hear us talk about on the next show. You could

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Speaker 1: tweet me at starters Matt or email us is this

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Speaker 1: good pod at gmail dot com. Thanks for joining me

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Speaker 1: on the inaugural ride, Guys, I was fine. Thanks thanks

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Speaker 1: to everyone for listening. And I would say this this

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Speaker 1: was good.

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Speaker 3: Let's see what the people say. I should have put

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Speaker 3: a poll up. Was this show good?

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Speaker 2: Was this it was actually fun? I have fun?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well that's that's all that matters exactly.

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Speaker 2: I forgot to ask you, are we don't, Pepperbros. We

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Speaker 2: don't have to cheerio.

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Speaker 1: I mean you got them at your fingertips more or less. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: okay you want me to stall.

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Speaker 2: No, you just have to say, Clipper Bros.

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Speaker 4: Okay, thanks for listening, Clipper Bros. You heard it here first.

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Speaker 3: Have a great time turn up.

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Speaker 2: Hello guys.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, thanks for joining us. Everybody, and remember I was

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Speaker 3: running down the road trying to loosen my load. Even women,

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Speaker 3: oh my mind.

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Speaker 2: Before they want to hold me to they want to

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Speaker 2: stolen one.

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Speaker 3: Friends,