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Speaker 2: Morning, everybody, Happy Friday. How's everybody feeling this morning?

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Speaker 3: Doing good?

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Speaker 2: Excellent? Got a lot to get to. Hag Seth was

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Speaker 2: given a update this morning. We have another American plane

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Speaker 2: that has crashed in mysterious circumstances, and more service members

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Speaker 2: as a result of that crash killed at action. Brad

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Speaker 2: Lander is going to join us for an update on

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Speaker 2: his campaign. We've gotten a horrible update on those idea

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Speaker 2: of soldiers who were caught on camera raping a Palestinian detainee.

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Speaker 2: So a lot to get to this morning. But Mac,

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Speaker 2: if we could go ahead and start with some of

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Speaker 2: the comments. This am from Pete Hegsath given an update

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Speaker 2: on the Iran war and exactly how it's going, as

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Speaker 2: in many ways you know from the outside it appears

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Speaker 2: to be going quite poorly and quite sideways. But let's

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Speaker 2: go ahead and take a listen to us.

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Speaker 4: Maximized and our capabilities still bill building. We're going up,

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Speaker 4: they're going down. As I said from the start, President

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Speaker 4: Trump holds the cards. He'll determine the pace, the tempo,

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Speaker 4: and the timing of this conflict, his hand firmly on

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Speaker 4: the wheel as well as on the throttle, setting America

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Speaker 4: first peace through strength in action. From day one, as

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Speaker 4: our nation expects and the President demands, our warriors have

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Speaker 4: fought with lethality, precision, and rapid innovation. In fact, today

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Speaker 4: will be yet again the highest volume of strikes that

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Speaker 4: America has put over the skies of Iran and Tehran.

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Speaker 4: The number of sorties, number of bomber pulses the highest yet,

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Speaker 4: ramping up and only.

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Speaker 2: Up, ramping up and only up and mack. He also

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Speaker 2: got asked if you could pull us up about the

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Speaker 2: straight of hor moves and why there hadn't been planning

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Speaker 2: for this. In fact, there are reports now that the

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Speaker 2: political leadership of the US at least really underplayed the

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Speaker 2: pop prospect that Iran could shut down the Straight of

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Speaker 2: hor moves. The Navy has said, we are not in

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Speaker 2: a position to escort any of these oil tankers through Iran.

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Speaker 2: Continues we covered yesterday to be able to attack tankers

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Speaker 2: that do come close. So let's go ahead and listen

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Speaker 2: to how he responds to this.

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Speaker 5: You have said that the US mil day is essentially

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Speaker 5: aerial superiority, naval sepiority over Iran. Yet we're not escorting

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Speaker 5: ships to the Straight off you why how did you

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Speaker 5: not plan for this?

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Speaker 3: We planned for it, We recognize it.

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Speaker 4: Because ultimately we want to do it sequentially in a

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Speaker 4: way that makes the most sense for what we want

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Speaker 4: to achieve and ensure that we're we're sending the right

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Speaker 4: to say to the world, how that we want them

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Speaker 4: to see and understand the conflict. It's like this whole

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Speaker 4: idea of the war widening. That's what the press wants

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Speaker 4: to make it look like like it's widening and chaos.

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Speaker 4: And now we're actually closing in on grabbing hold of

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Speaker 4: and setting the conditions. But when you shape the environment,

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Speaker 4: you don't always tell I mean, foolish political leaders and

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Speaker 4: foolish military leaders of the past, we'll hang an exact

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Speaker 4: to take us. And then if you meet that, maybe

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Speaker 4: if you're far beyond, we know exactly what we're shaping

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Speaker 4: and why we're sending those signals working across the Inner Agency.

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Speaker 4: The straight of Horror Moves is something we've paid attention

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Speaker 4: to from the beginning, and the American people can rest

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Speaker 4: assured we will ensure that our interests are advanced.

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Speaker 6: Guys, The strait of her moves is something we've paid

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, as a US owned tanker is you know,

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Speaker 2: set a blaze and he mentions there, Chris ran, of course,

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Speaker 2: you and Ryan Emily covered the fact that he put

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Speaker 2: to delete the tweet. So all going according to plan.

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Speaker 2: According to it's.

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Speaker 7: Definitely not a regional war, definitely not a world war

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Speaker 7: going on here. Everything is fine. We're condensing it and

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Speaker 7: bringing it all together.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Let's play one war from mister Hegsatt before

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Speaker 2: we get to some of the additional updates here. He

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Speaker 2: made a comment about the Iranian leaders saying that right

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Speaker 2: now they are hiding like rats. Let's take a listen

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Speaker 2: to that.

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Speaker 4: Ron's leadership is in no better shape, desperate and hiding.

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Speaker 4: They've gone underground powering. That's what rats.

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Speaker 3: Do We know?

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Speaker 4: The new so called not supreme leader is wounded and

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Speaker 4: likely disfigured. You put out of statement yesterday, a weak

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Speaker 4: one actually, but there was no voice and there was

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Speaker 3: It was a written statement.

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Speaker 4: He called for unity. Apparently, killing tens of thousands of

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Speaker 2: So he says there they're hiding underground like rats. Mac Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: actually in a show of pretty extreme courage and defiance.

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Speaker 2: A number of top Iranian both military and political leaders,

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Speaker 2: including the President of Iran, were marching through the streets

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Speaker 2: you know, as their country is being bombed. You know,

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Speaker 2: especially when you think about you know, you would never

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Speaker 2: the country being bombed. It was a pretty pretty extraordinary

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Speaker 6: I would say they're probably resigned to the likelihood that

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Speaker 6: reminds me of Ryan your debate with Corey Mills on

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Speaker 6: Piers Morgan yesterday where he said, he said, the people

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Speaker 6: to return, and clearly it's as though he has only

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Speaker 6: seen the footage of the people in the streets clamoring

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Speaker 6: people in the streets backing the IRGC, backing the Iranian regime,

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Speaker 6: which is basically what we just saw in the images

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Speaker 6: Mac put up on the screen. You really, what did

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Speaker 6: you tell him, Ryan? It was like an elementary school

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Speaker 6: foreign policy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, we need to kill this bad guy.

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Speaker 8: We're going to kill that bad guy, and then we're

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Speaker 8: gonna put resin and it's going to be great, and

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Speaker 8: he's gonna we're gonna transition to democracy. I don't know

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Speaker 8: if you have it, Mac, but I think it's on

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Speaker 8: Mas's twitter feed.

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Speaker 3: There's this.

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Speaker 8: There's also this incredible footage of Israel bombing very close

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Speaker 8: to this rally. So all these all these people are

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Speaker 8: miniature mushroom cloud from an explosion in the short distance,

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Speaker 8: and the crowd just kind of cheers, you know this

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Speaker 8: with this like you know, shout of defiance. So yes,

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Speaker 8: far from I think cowering like rats in a cave

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here it is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot of people who risk their lives

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I've talked about this before. In September when Posesskian,

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Speaker 8: the Iranian president, was in New York and he had

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Speaker 8: and he said then he kind of talked openly about

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Speaker 8: the fact that he's, you know, probably going to get

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Speaker 8: killed and did he said, there was a lot he

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Speaker 8: still wanted to do with his life, a lot he

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Speaker 8: wanted to read, a lot he wanted to do. See,

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Speaker 8: he wasn't at all looking forward to that, and it

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Speaker 8: was kind of surreal to hear him talk about that,

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Speaker 8: and in a way where he doesn't have a like

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Speaker 8: fatal cancer diagnosis, but is still talking about that. He's

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Speaker 8: you know, likelihood of him dying at any moment. There

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Speaker 8: was there were a lot of rumors that he'd been

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Speaker 8: killed in the first hours of the war. Those clearly

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Speaker 8: those rumors were untrue. But he said that they had

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Speaker 8: developed a succession plan that was six or seven people deep.

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Speaker 8: And it really goes to the folly of that of

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Speaker 8: the Cory Mills approach to this, Like so they could

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Speaker 8: I if that if that bombing that that Mac just

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Speaker 8: was and killed him, it doesn't end the regime remotely.

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Speaker 8: In fact, IRGC doesn't really like posesskiin they think he's

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Speaker 8: far too liberal, far too much a reformist and like

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Speaker 8: political system with rivals, rival camps, rival factions. It's horizontal,

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Speaker 8: it's deeply embedded in the country. It be like going

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Speaker 8: in and like Iran killing the governor of Mississippi and

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Speaker 8: being like we did regime change, Like no, the lieutenant

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Speaker 8: governor is now the governor. Like, well, we have we

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Speaker 8: have all these like mayors and cities like you.

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Speaker 3: What they're like, No, we have a guy in Tehran.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna come over. Yeah, he's.

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Speaker 8: He's We've been grooming him to be the king of

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Speaker 8: Mississippi and then there'll be a transition back to democracy.

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Speaker 2: People are going to welcome him with open will be

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Speaker 2: created as a liberator. I mean, think about your example,

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Speaker 2: just to think about it from another perspective. You know,

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Speaker 2: Hegseth is up there bragging them, Oh my god, we're

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Speaker 2: bombing this. We're bombing that. We're showing no mercy. It's

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Speaker 2: not a fair playing field. We never meant it for

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Speaker 2: it to be a fair playing field. No one is

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Speaker 2: under any illusion about the fact, yes, America can bomb

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Speaker 2: the hell out of any place. Is that accomplishing your goals?

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Speaker 2: What even are your because they change every day, So

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Speaker 2: there's no way to even say if you're accomplishing any

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Speaker 2: particular goal. But you know, by any objective rational assessment,

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Speaker 2: right now, what you have is a situation where Iran

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Speaker 2: is actually much more likely to pursue a nuclear weapon

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Speaker 2: given the opportunity. You have a new iotol in charge

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Speaker 2: who is reportedly more hardline. You are destroying your own

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Speaker 2: economy with the you know, with the the closure of

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Speaker 2: the Strait of Hormuz. The oil price is going up.

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Speaker 2: By the way, there's some speculation that Chargery may actually

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Speaker 2: be intervening to try to suppress oil prices. That's unconfirmed,

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Speaker 2: but I think that is very much a possibility. Right

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Speaker 2: You've convinced your golf Arab allies that having these US

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Speaker 2: bases in their country has been a disaster for them

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Speaker 2: and made them a target rather than providing them protection.

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Speaker 2: But in any case, you know, let's say you dropped

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Speaker 2: that bomb, like you said, Ryan, right on the Iranian

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's going to lead this to billion

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Speaker 2: population to then rise up against the Iranian government or

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Speaker 2: do you think that is going to further unite them

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Speaker 8: However, it doesn't they they're they're extremely good at this.

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Speaker 6: This is for a war that has like forty opposition

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Speaker 8: So it's you know that you got the green zone,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm curious what you make of that. You guys

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Speaker 8: the US that we think twice about getting the lawnmower

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Speaker 8: back out six months from now. And to give Jeremy

441
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Speaker 8: Scale a little credit, I think it was Tuesday that

442
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Speaker 8: he and mas reported and got a lot of pushback

443
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Speaker 8: at the time. They reported that the Iranian plan was

444
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Speaker 8: to dial down the attacks on golf countries, zero in

445
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Speaker 8: on two particular golf countries, but then focus most of

446
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Speaker 8: their fire on Israel for you know, for the next

447
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Speaker 8: you know, for the next phase of this war. And

448
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Speaker 8: that was they were like, no, that's you know, there

449
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Speaker 8: was a lot of pushback on that, but that was

450
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Speaker 8: as precisely what unfolded to a tee for the rest

451
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Speaker 8: of the week. They're now even firing missiles from sea

452
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Speaker 8: Iran is so you know, hag Seth is going around saying,

453
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Speaker 8: you know, we're we're hitting all their launchers.

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Speaker 3: They can't hide.

455
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Speaker 2: He's destroyed.

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Speaker 3: You know, they start to move them and boom, we

457
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Speaker 3: get them.

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Speaker 8: It'say, well they're shooting them out of the water at

459
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Speaker 8: you bro, like you need, you need another solution, then

460
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Speaker 8: we're just going to keep bombing them, because they have

461
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Speaker 8: an almost and they talked about, you know, they had

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Speaker 8: two thousand whatever ballistic missiles twenty five hundred and they've

463
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Speaker 8: shot you know, seven eight hundred of them at this point,

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Speaker 8: So the Americans are kind of sort of like, oh,

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Speaker 8: if we can just get to that two thousand, then

466
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Speaker 8: they're out. But they have an almost unlimited number of

467
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Speaker 8: the shorter range once, like they can't get to Israel necessarily,

468
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Speaker 8: but can hit around the region, so has they can't

469
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Speaker 8: bomb them, they can't wait this out or bomb them

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Speaker 8: into complete surrender.

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Speaker 7: Well, and to that point as well, it's not like

472
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Speaker 7: the Iranian savin already inflicted significant damage on US assets,

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Speaker 7: bases and radar systems and satellite systems and the Gulf

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Speaker 7: countries as well as in Israel. We even saw Hazbula

475
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Speaker 7: reportedly struck a satellite system inside of northern Israel. So

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Speaker 7: they've kind of already inflicted a significant amount of damage

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Speaker 7: in terms of taking out the eyes and the ears

478
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Speaker 7: of the US and Israel. And then you also have

479
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Speaker 7: with the straight of four moves, like if Iran's broader

480
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Speaker 7: strategy here is just to inflict maximum economic pain on

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Speaker 7: the US and the global economy to make this something

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Speaker 7: that we wouldn't consider doing in the future. It's not

483
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Speaker 7: like they need to be firing dozens or hundreds of

484
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Speaker 7: missiles into the Straight of four Moves. They just need, like,

485
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Speaker 7: you know, I think it's a sixteen ships at this

486
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Speaker 7: point that have been hit. You just need kind of

487
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Speaker 7: one a day, maybe one every couple of days, to

488
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Speaker 7: reinforce the idea that the insurance companies are not going

489
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Speaker 7: to back up these ships. The US at this point

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Speaker 7: is still rejecting any sort of idea of a naval

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Speaker 7: escort of some of these ships. You really don't need

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Speaker 7: that much firepower in order to continue inflicting that economic

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Speaker 7: pain on the US in a protracted sort of war situation.

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Speaker 8: Right, And they're still getting oil through the strait. That

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Speaker 8: that was the argument for why the US didn't focus

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Speaker 8: on the Strait of her moves.

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Speaker 3: They're like, oh, we never thought they'd close it because

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Speaker 3: they need it.

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Speaker 8: They didn't think of the idea that, oh, they'll just

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Speaker 8: keep sending their own ships through to China.

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Speaker 6: Well, we've been monitoring it. I'm very beginning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've've been exporting more oil's actually increased the amount

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Speaker 2: of oil that they are exporting since the beginning of

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Speaker 2: this war. And military analysts say, if you actually wanted

505
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Speaker 2: to do this thing that they floated of, you know,

506
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Speaker 2: the navy escorting ships through the Strait of horor moves,

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Speaker 2: in order to make that feasible, you would actually have

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Speaker 2: to invade and occupy the coastline. That's what that would require.

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Speaker 2: So that's why you know, this hasn't been done because

510
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Speaker 2: we you know, as oft as far as we know,

511
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Speaker 2: don't have boots on the ground in Iran, although you know,

512
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Speaker 2: I think I saw somebody who make a good point

513
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Speaker 2: on Twitter, which is we have tens of thousands of

514
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Speaker 2: service members throughout the region, which is where this you know,

515
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Speaker 2: these battles are being waged throughout the region. So we

516
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Speaker 2: do have boots on the ground, just not directly in

517
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Speaker 2: the country of Iran. This is another, you know, key

518
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Speaker 2: piece that we've been we've been warning about even before

519
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Speaker 2: this war and going back to you know, our conversations

520
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Speaker 2: about Ukraine, et cetera. They're saying US has burned through

521
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Speaker 2: years of munitions since the start of the Iran War,

522
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Speaker 2: rapid depletion of stockpile, including Tomahawk missiles, raises pressure on

523
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Speaker 2: Trump over the cost of the conflict. Commresce's brief that

524
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Speaker 2: it's cost over eleven billion dollars already, you know, as

525
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Speaker 2: we're in just week two of this warrn And I

526
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Speaker 2: thought you had a good point about this though. If

527
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Speaker 2: you burned through year's worth of munitions in mere days,

528
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Speaker 2: that was not actually years worth of munition.

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Speaker 3: Might years to make, but it wasn't years of muitions.

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Speaker 2: It was not yours.

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Speaker 3: Year's worth of food just in one sitting.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't your food, guy, It just took it down

533
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Speaker 2: in one meal.

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Speaker 3: You didn't have as much food as you thought. I

535
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Speaker 3: am lucky that that's was years worth.

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Speaker 7: Well, I'm also curious what you guys think about, you know,

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Speaker 7: the potential for nuclear weapons being deployed by Israel specifically

538
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Speaker 7: or potentially from the United States, because I think this

539
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Speaker 7: might be the kind of moment where Israel feels like

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Speaker 7: it's their last best chance to topple the Iranian government

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Speaker 7: or to fragment Iran. So it's already happened in different states,

542
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Speaker 7: but like, do you do you think that there's a

543
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Speaker 7: legitimate likelihood that Israel could feel like, Okay, maybe we're

544
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Speaker 7: not going to get a couple months down the line

545
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Speaker 7: a chance to do this again. There's not going to

546
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Speaker 7: be as much of an appetite from the Americans, et cetera.

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Speaker 7: Where do you guys stand on that right now?

548
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Speaker 6: Well, this is reported, I mean, this is already leaking

549
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Speaker 6: into reports about the tension between Israel, Nettan, Yahoo, and Trump,

550
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Speaker 6: being that Israel Andahu want to push this pedal to

551
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Speaker 6: the medal as the opportunity to totally defenestrate Iran take

552
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Speaker 6: care of Iran, and Trump doesn't, according to reports, isn't

553
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Speaker 6: entirely on board with that. May he become on board

554
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Speaker 6: with that, perhaps, but this is seen as like a

555
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Speaker 6: generational opportunity. It's certainly seen as like a generational opportunity

556
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Speaker 6: by the Lindsay Grahams here in the United States. And

557
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Speaker 6: so if Israel is viewing the opportunity to topple Iran

558
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Speaker 6: completely totally wholly that way, then I don't think it's foolish,

559
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Speaker 6: especially because they've already pushed the United States beyond apparently

560
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Speaker 6: what even members of the Trump administration, including Dan Kine,

561
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Speaker 6: are entirely comfortable with to escalate, escalate, escalate, So you know,

562
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Speaker 6: just even talking about that gets people treated as fearmongers

563
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Speaker 6: and fools. But again, the pattern that we are seeing

564
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Speaker 6: here is escalation escalation. Is Israel seeing this as a

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Speaker 6: historic generation opportunity to holly topple an enemy. And so

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Speaker 6: again I don't think max question is is silly or

567
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Speaker 6: foolish at all. We should be completely vigilant. That is

568
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Speaker 6: exactly how these things spiral. First to boots on the ground,

569
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Speaker 6: and then the goalpost keeps moving and moving. You're losing people.

570
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Speaker 6: The United States wants to avenge. The American people start saying, well,

571
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Speaker 6: we just they just killed ten of our guys, and

572
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Speaker 6: its spirals and spirals we've seen it before. So I

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Speaker 6: don't think it's foolish at all, Mac to even ask

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Speaker 6: that question.

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Speaker 7: Well, and you also have, just as an addition to that,

576
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Speaker 7: to take it into to take Iran's positioning into account

577
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 7: in this, because it's categorically different than the June twenty

578
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Speaker 7: twenty five war that lasted for twelve days. Because at

579
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Speaker 7: that point Israel the United States asked for a ceasefire.

580
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Speaker 7: The Iyatola was sort of clian to that sort of idea.

581
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Speaker 7: And then now you have two different instances at this

582
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Speaker 7: point where the US and Iran have been in the

583
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Speaker 7: middle of negotiations and Israel and the United States have

584
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Speaker 7: launch unilateral wars of aggression against them. So, like, what

585
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Speaker 7: motivation does Iran have at this point right now to

586
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Speaker 7: even hypothetically consider stopping the war, given that it seems

587
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Speaker 7: like that might just give Israel in the United States

588
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Speaker 7: a chance to restock over the course of a couple

589
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Speaker 7: months and then come back and do it again.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And I asked Jeremy this question is what does

591
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Speaker 8: it look like to them to have extracted enough costs

592
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Speaker 8: so that they feel comfortable. It could be some actual

593
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Speaker 8: out loud promises from the US that they make in

594
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Speaker 8: coordination with the with Russia and China and the UN.

595
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Speaker 3: Or it could just be a sense.

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Speaker 8: That that this is going to be something that the

597
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Speaker 8: American political system feels for two decades. But I don't

598
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Speaker 8: know that it's It's a very good question. I got

599
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Speaker 8: to run, Professor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan will let you go. Thank you so much

601
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Speaker 2: for joining us, And we've got a few more Iran

602
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Speaker 2: updates that we want to get to you here and I

603
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Speaker 2: also want to react to the next question about nukes,

604
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Speaker 2: but have a good weekend. Ryan will the great work.

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Speaker 2: You know that Professor Mohammed Randi, he says that the

606
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Speaker 2: Iranian mindset is we're at least going to make this

607
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Speaker 2: go till the midterms because you know, they're keenly aware

608
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Speaker 2: of the political situation here in the US. They're keenly

609
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Speaker 2: aware that Trump is was already on than eyes with

610
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Speaker 2: the population over the Epstein cover up. They talk a

611
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Speaker 2: lot about Epstein class. They're quite you know, intelligently and strategically,

612
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Speaker 2: and uh, you know, I think they want to make

613
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Speaker 2: sure that he fully pays politically, a massive political price

614
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Speaker 2: for what's going on here, and that frankly, the American

615
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: people are gonna, you know, are going to pay a

616
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Speaker 2: massive economic price that, you know, and extract that pain

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Speaker 2: from from all of us.

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Speaker 6: I think I should you should first apologize for just

619
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Speaker 6: using an anti Semitic slur. I don't know if you

620
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Speaker 6: did this on purpose, but you just refer to the

621
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Speaker 6: Epstein class and I was.

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Speaker 2: Relying only quoting the Iranians in their you know.

623
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Speaker 6: But if you say I've seen class, this is now

624
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Speaker 6: and I'm not like really not joking. This is actually

625
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Speaker 6: now being called a dog whistle, a Larstine class a

626
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 6: dog whistle, anti Semitic slur.

627
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Speaker 2: So believe, Yeah, Rocana is getting all kinds of hatchet jobs,

628
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Speaker 2: you know, written about him for coining the term and

629
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Speaker 2: for daring to push for accountability. But I wanted to

630
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Speaker 2: return to this question Mac, that you asked about nukes.

631
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Speaker 7: I do.

632
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a foolish question. I think there's

633
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Speaker 2: definitely a possibility we get there. I don't personally think

634
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Speaker 2: that we're there yet, because you know Trump, I think

635
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Speaker 2: Trump probably wants to taco at this point, Tree to

636
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Speaker 2: PARSI was saying that he's heard from the Gulf Erab

637
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: partners is that Trump had told them this will take

638
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: about four days. Obviously that is not what worked out.

639
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Speaker 2: I think that's what Trump believed. I think he did

640
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: think he could do of Venezuela here in and out,

641
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: quick mission accomplished, prove all the haters and the doubters

642
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: and the losers wrong. Curtis Berman, Yeah, and move on

643
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: to the next thing. Obviously that hasn't happened. Now. I

644
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: think he would love to try to figure out some

645
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: way out of this thing, but not at the expense

646
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Speaker 2: of losing Fai like Trump and the American Empire, cannot

647
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: lose face here. So you know, if we say, okay,

648
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Speaker 2: we're done, you know, one benefit of not establishing any

649
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: goals is you can, you know, then make up some

650
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: goal after the Oh, we wanted to degrade their launcher capacity,

651
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: we did it, So we're leaving mission accomplished. But the

652
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Speaker 2: problem with that is that the Iranians they get a

653
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Speaker 2: say in this, and the Israelis apparently get to say

654
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Speaker 2: in this too, because you know, allegedly their commitment to

655
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Speaker 2: attacking Iran is part of why we decided to jump

656
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Speaker 2: into this thing. But the Iranians certainly get to say.

657
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: And I don't think to your point back, I don't

658
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: think there's any reason it would be foolish, frankly for

659
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: them at this point to back away when you have

660
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: us in a lot of ways by the neck. You know,

661
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: they've got their boot on the throat of our economy,

662
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: and they're able to inflict damage in Israel, and they're

663
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: able to extract pain from the Gulf allies that have

664
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: allowed you know, these attacks to originate from their their soil.

665
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: They'd be foolish to walk away from them. So, you know,

666
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: the reason I don't think we're there yet in terms

667
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: of you know, potential Israel potentially using a quote unquote

668
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: tactical nuke is because I think the US is going

669
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: to be the ones to escalate the next level and

670
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: put boots on the ground. I think that's where this

671
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 2: is almost inevitably going. I mean, the Iranians have said

672
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: they're targeting US and Israeli banks in the region, City

673
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: and HSBC and others have had to evacuate their personnel.

674
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: They've said they're they consider the tech companies to be

675
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: complicit in this and for them to be targets as well.

676
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: And then obviously we've talked you know, at length about

677
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: the straight upfurbus and the oil markets, et cetera. There

678
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: is simply no way that our country is going to

679
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: allow them to threaten these centers of financial capital and

680
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: not escalate to the next level. So I'm fairly convinced

681
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: that we will likely end up with boots on the

682
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: ground and that will be the next step up the

683
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: escalation chain. Now as we continue up that chain, does

684
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: it then become more and more likely that you know,

685
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: either US or Israel frankly decides that they're are only

686
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: way out of this thing is to go World War

687
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: two style and drop some sort of a bomb to

688
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: send sort of a message, and then that is, God,

689
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: that's a whole Pandora's box. But you know, the nuclear

690
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: taboo is strong enough that I feel like we aren't

691
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: there yet in terms of that being the next logical move. Now,

692
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: you know, ten steps down the road, do we get there?

693
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: That I think is an open possibility, but at least

694
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: I'm hoping we're not there yet.

695
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, And to your point, Crystal, I think this is

696
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 7: why we've seen Trump sort of bobbling back and forth

697
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 7: between saying the wars all close to done and we've

698
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 7: kind of already won the war and we've achieved victory,

699
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 7: and then bouncing but you know, maybe we need to

700
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 7: do a little bit more and it's not done yet.

701
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 7: I think he is in some sense trying to lay

702
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 7: the groundwork for a Taco move or to pull out

703
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 7: and claim victory, because he's already completely changed the definition

704
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 7: of what victory would mean. I mean, we started out

705
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 7: here with the US and the Israeli seemingly on the

706
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 7: same page in regards to regime change, in regards to

707
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 7: the complete destruction of their ballistic missile capacity and production capacity,

708
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 7: destruction of their entire navy, you know, all of these

709
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 7: different elements that it seems like Trump has sort of

710
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 7: backed off of almost entirely at this point. So that's

711
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 7: sort of the one hopium that I have at this

712
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 7: point is that he will just change the definition of

713
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 7: victory and say, Okay, we won, We're done with this.

714
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 7: But again, then you have the Israel angle, which is,

715
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 7: you know, are they going to give up what they

716
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 7: view as their potential last major chance because after this,

717
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 7: you know, I would imagine you're going to have increased

718
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 7: backing and reinforcements with Russia and China and their relationship

719
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 7: with Iran. Obviously, as you said, rom will have more

720
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 7: of a motivation than ever to go and actually pursue

721
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 7: a nuclear weapon for defensive purposes or for deterrent purposes.

722
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 7: They're going to rebuild their ballistic missile stockpiles. They're going,

723
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 7: you know, like, this isn't going anywhere in the long

724
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 7: term magically, and so if Israel genuinely feels like this

725
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 7: is the one chance they you know, they might feel

726
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 7: like they you know, they might take that opportunity. I guess.

727
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 7: So it's it's terrifying, But Trump, I guess chickening out

728
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 7: is like the one uh thing that we can we

729
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 7: can hope for.

730
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: I guess, well, like I said, I don't think I

731
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: don't think that ends the war. Yeah, you know, I

732
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: don't think Trump chickening out ends the war. That's that

733
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: is that is the way he has trapped himself. He

734
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: has now trapped himself. He the taco has in a

735
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: sense been taken off the table because the Iranian taco

736
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: has been removed from the menu, because because the Iranian

737
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: the logic that we have ourselves created for the Iranians

738
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: is we have to fight to the death, we have

739
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: to extract a massive amount of pain. And I don't

740
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: think they feel like they have done nearly enough to

741
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: deter us and the Israelis in the future from just

742
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: going back and doing the same thing over and over

743
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: and over again.

744
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 7: Well, and that's one of the ironic things about killing

745
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 7: the Iyahtola is he was in some sense more of

746
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 7: a restrained figure and counter to you know, the idea

747
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 7: pushed by Israel in the US that he's this totally irrational, suicidal,

748
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 7: you know, on a mission to destroy the entire region

749
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 7: or whatever else like, well, he may have been suicidal,

750
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 7: but yes, well sure in some sense, yeah, because it

751
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 7: seems like he was willing to allow himself to be martyred.

752
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 7: But you know, if you hadn't killed the Iahtola, you

753
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 7: probably would have been in a much better position to

754
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 7: do a sort of short back and forth operation and

755
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 7: maybe there would have been some sort of a groundwork

756
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 7: to pull out of this. But like you said, Christal,

757
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 7: I mean, now that the Iatola has been killed, the

758
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 7: new Iahtola, his entire core family unit was wiped out.

759
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 7: I mean, we've made this war existential for a run,

760
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 7: and so they're going to try to make it existential

761
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 7: at least in terms of US presence in the region

762
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 7: for us as well. Well, we were all.

763
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 6: Of us anti interventionists were being told to take a

764
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 6: massive l after Midnight Hammer, which by the way, I

765
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 6: was happy to do. But but for the last several months,

766
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 6: what have we been saying We were against Midnight Hammer

767
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 6: because of the escalatory spiral and just because it took

768
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 6: another six months or whatever to get to this part

769
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 6: of the escalatory spiral, it's not invalidating of the point

770
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 6: that everybody made at the time, which is that this

771
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 6: is what happens. You keep moving the goalposts and moving

772
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 6: the goal posts and moving the goal posts, and it's

773
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 6: much easier to start a war than it is to

774
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 6: end a war. Everybody knows that. And Trump, I think

775
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 6: what we're seeing is his branding exercise of him now

776
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 6: trying to define what victory looks like while also publicly

777
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 6: doing his art of the deal negotiation by saying it's

778
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 6: you know, we could keep going. We don't want to,

779
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 6: we're just about done, We've already won, but we could

780
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 6: keep going. We could keep going. So what that actually

781
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 6: looks like now, I think we just literally have no idea,

782
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 6: because I don't think he has any idea, and it's

783
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 6: happening on a daily basis, Like what this definition is

784
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 6: actually going to look like is shifting on a daily basis.

785
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: Right now, let me tell you one more thing that

786
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 2: I am concerned about before I'm concerned about nuclear weapon

787
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: being deployed, which is, there was a rabbi either during

788
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: or immediately after the Twelve Day War who floated this

789
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: idea of, hey, you know what I would have done

790
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: I would have ourselves, as an Israeli bombed the Alasa

791
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: Mosque and then blamed it on Iran and allowed all

792
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: hell to break loose, and you know, then have the

793
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: you know, the different Muslim lead countries in the region

794
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: fighting Iran as well. And by the way, this gives

795
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: us our chance to you know, pursue our our like

796
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: into our own end times direction and rebuild the temple

797
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: there and whatever. And I think that is I don't

798
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: think we could rule that out as the possibility. You know,

799
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: the Israelis already being accused of various false flag attacks

800
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: in the region to strike.

801
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 6: Like a half mile away from all.

802
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: Oxenden exactly right. And that's that's why I'm nervous about it,

803
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: is because the Israelis were advertising that of look at

804
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: these runnings structure so close to alos and Musque. You know,

805
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: isn't this Korea And you can only imagine what would happen.

806
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: And so that is something else that I am concerned

807
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: about as a possibility here is that Israel could you

808
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: know themselves bomb the musque then blame Iran and you know,

809
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: create open that Pandora's box, which would lead to you know,

810
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: another level of escalation and chaos, which is ultimately what

811
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: the Israelis want. The Israelis are agents of chaos. They

812
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: want chaos for the Iranians, they want chaos for all

813
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: of the Gulf Arab states in the region. They want

814
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: chaos for us because ultimately they you know, net Yahoo

815
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: went out and said, hey, this this war is making

816
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: us not just a global of regional powers, making us

817
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: a superpower, a global superpower. And guess who that comes

818
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 2: at the expense of That's about us because outside of Iran,

819
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: and then you know, they talk about wanting to go

820
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 2: after Turkey next. The other challenge to them in the

821
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: region is US, Right, We're the other constraint on what

822
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: they can do in the region. And they see the

823
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: writing on the wall. They know the way the politics

824
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 2: have changed. They know they're not going to get another

825
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: president like Trump who lets them do whatever they want

826
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: to do in the same way. That's not happening. That's

827
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: not happening again. So in any case, you know, I

828
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: think it's important for people to understand when we talk

829
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: about the goals and interests of the US and Israel

830
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: not being totally aligned in terms of the Iran War.

831
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: In one of the ways that they're not aligned is

832
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: that even though technically we're allies right now, ultimately Israel

833
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: would love to see us in our capacity in the

834
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 2: region and our ability to constrain them. They would love

835
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: to see us degraded in that way as well.

836
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, which is it's wild to watch in real time,

837
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 7: like the decline of the US Empire in large part,

838
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 7: you could say, you know, due to the war in

839
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 7: Iraq and the war in Afghanistan, these decades long projects

840
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 7: that we've wasted trillions of dollars on, destroyed our reputation

841
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 7: on the world stage, et cetera. And now this, this

842
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 7: war with Iran, depending on how it goes like this

843
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 7: could be the final stage of American power projection in

844
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 7: the region. This could be the destruction of the American

845
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 7: Empire all in service of propping up the sort of

846
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 7: Israeli empire in the Middle East. I mean, we're willingly

847
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 7: sort of destroying our own power dynamics on behalf of

848
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 7: a foreign country. It's it's just wild to see happen

849
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,479
Speaker 7: in real time.

850
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: You know what it makes me think of is we

851
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: all know that guy who is deeply insecure in his

852
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: masculinity and he's taken testosterone and he's he's vine big

853
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: old pickup truck, and you know, he's they and you

854
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: know it all comes from this place of insecurity, and they,

855
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: you know, act like a bully and they're lashing out,

856
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 2: acting like the big tough guy on the block. I

857
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 2: mean that's the same thing as what declining empires. It's

858
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: the same type of behavior. And not just does, but

859
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: if you look throughout history and so it is a

860
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 2: recorded historical fact that empires which are in decline become

861
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 2: more violent, both externally and internally. And yeah, I mean

862
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: Trump is a particular figure, like I think he is.

863
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: I don't think if we have a different president. I

864
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: don't think if Kamala Harris's president, I don't think we're

865
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: in this war right now. So he, you know, has

866
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 2: a lot to do with what's going on. But also

867
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: if you just zoom out from him as a character

868
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: here and look at the historical trends, it is not

869
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: surprising that we're lashing out at the world in these ways,

870
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: desperately trying to prove that we're still the tough guy

871
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: on the block, desperately trying to project that power and

872
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: to save face and I think that that impetus to

873
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: like to save face at all costs. It seems ridiculous

874
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 2: and it seems like it comes just down of Trump's

875
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: particular like narcissism and ego. Well, but it also is

876
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 2: essential to the empire because the moment that you puncture

877
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: the illusion that we are all powerful, that we can

878
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 2: do whatever we want, wherever we want, whenever we want

879
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: to whoever we want. The moment that illusion collapses, that

880
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: is the moment that the empire actually ends. And so

881
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 2: to your point mac about how this could actually end

882
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 2: the American empire, that would be the reason why, because

883
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 2: the you know, the people we've been pushing around all

884
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: around the world will look at this and go, you

885
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: know what, they're not so tough, like they're not so invincible.

886
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: And maybe if we, you know, collectively get together, like

887
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: we don't need to take all of this bullying and

888
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: this obnoxious behavior from them, they you know, they are

889
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: a paper tiger, and we can make our own moves

890
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 2: and make our own decisions in the world without always

891
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,479
Speaker 2: having to, uh, you know, having to bend to their will.

892
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 6: Well, the power of the military and the power of

893
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 6: the dollar, I think we have a best clip on

894
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 6: oil mac to to get to if I'm remembering correctly,

895
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 6: But this is to me, that's one of the big

896
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 6: questions or question marks about what happens to the American

897
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 6: Empire depending on how long this goes and what it

898
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 6: looks like, is what it does to the dollar, how

899
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 6: the Trump administration ends when it comes to the dollar

900
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 6: in the next couple of years, because that's an obviously

901
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 6: chritical component of the empire. It is tied to military

902
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 6: power and military strength. Here is Treasury Secretary at Scott Bessett.

903
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 6: This was just last night saying the President's taking decisive

904
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 6: steps to promote stability and global energy markets and working

905
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 6: to keep prices low as we address the threat and

906
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 6: it's and instability posed by the terrorist Iranian regime. To

907
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 6: increase the global reach of existing supply, Treasury is providing

908
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 6: a temporary authorization to permit countries to purchase Russian oil

909
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 6: currently stranded at sea. This narrowly tailored, short term measure

910
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 6: applies only to oil already in transit and will not

911
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 6: provide significant financial benefit to the Russian government, which derives

912
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 6: the majority of its energy revenue from taxes assessed at

913
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 6: the point of extraction. President Trump's pro energy policies have

914
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 6: driven US oil and gas production to record levels, contributing

915
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 6: to lower fuel prices for hardworking Americans. The temporary increase

916
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 6: in oil prices is a short term and temporary disruption

917
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 6: that will result in a massive benefit to our nation

918
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 6: and economy in the long term. And hanging over that,

919
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 6: obviously is the Trump Administration's moves in the crypto space,

920
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 6: the Trump Administration's move to potentially devalue the dollar. All

921
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 6: kinds of stuff happening in the background of the exercise

922
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 6: in Iran right now that leave things also the trade war,

923
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 6: but that just basically leave us in such I can't.

924
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 6: I mean, it feels like things have been unstable for years,

925
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 6: at least since nine to eleven, of course, but and

926
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 6: certainly since the dawn of nuclear weapons. But this is

927
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 6: as shaky of an economy as I can remember.

928
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 7: Macacrystal well and to your point earlier Crystal like in

929
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 7: terms of the US maintaining this facade that we can

930
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 7: crush whoever we want, whenever and however we want. Like

931
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 7: now you have this situation where we've been spending years

932
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 7: trying to destroy the Russian economy in the aftermath of

933
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 7: the invasion of Ukraine.

934
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 6: We are still targets on right rush the Russian military

935
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 6: in Ukraine right now as we speak.

936
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Speaker 7: And so we failed to crush the Russian economy. They're

937
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 7: still able at the bare minimum to continue the war

938
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 7: going as they see fit. And now you have you've

939
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 7: come full circle to where we're basically telling countries, okay,

940
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 7: you can kind of skirt around the rules here a

941
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 7: little bit, maybe by a little bit of Russian oil

942
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 7: in order to hold yourselves over as we do this

943
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 7: completely unnecessary, illegal war of aggression against a run. So

944
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 7: it's like on multiple different fronts. Over the course of

945
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 7: the last couple of years, the US Empire has seen

946
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 7: massive fractures that are being exposed within it. I think

947
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 7: that's another example of it.

948
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, well and listen, like we well, first of all,

949
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: it's funny for best and now to be like we're

950
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: committed to keeping prices low, when literally yesterday Trump put

951
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: on a true social that was like, high oil prices

952
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: are great for the US. I don't know what you

953
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: people are complaining about. So, but in any case, and

954
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 2: there is speculation that potentially Charger is intervening directly in

955
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: the markets to lower the price of oil, which I

956
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: do think is a possibility. And look, we are, you know,

957
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: net energy exporting country. There are additional levers that the

958
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: Trump administration could use. They could actually say, like we're

959
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: you know, there is a lever they could pull that

960
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: says we're not exporting this oil is only being used

961
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: in the United States of America, and screw you rest

962
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: of the world. You know, now we've effectively cut off

963
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: your supply of Middle Eastern oil. We've curtailed your ability

964
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: to use Russian oil. Good luck. So there is no

965
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: doubt that actually other countries, especially poor countries around the world,

966
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: will be hurt more by this than US consumers will be.

967
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: But there's also no doubt that there will be soon

968
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: pain here at a time when the economy is incredibly rickety,

969
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: when people say have been saying for years that their

970
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 2: highest priority is the economy, when Trump ran on promises

971
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 2: of affordability, and you know, it's a it's a pretty

972
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: grim it's a pretty grim picture, especially when you consider

973
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: how much our stock market is. I mean, our whole

974
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: economy is just like a Ponzi scheme, you know, I mean,

975
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: the whole stock markets build on this like theoretical ai

976
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: Bilm that's really not proven in terms of its profitability.

977
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: That also, by the way, relies on access to cheap energy,

978
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: so the whole thing is just.

979
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 7: And also massive investments from the Gulf States.

980
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: That's that's absolutely right as well. That's absolutely right as well.

981
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 6: Which it's premium. That's that's I guess an argument if

982
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 6: someone was here doing Devil's Advocate, that would be an

983
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 6: argument for the Empire that we continue to suck in

984
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 6: the world with our financial schemes like uh, the investment

985
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 6: that the Middle Eastern investment in crypto and the light whoa.

986
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 7: But well, you know, we'll see how long that lasts

987
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 7: because they might be rethinking a lot of those investments now.

988
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 7: So that's another angle there.

989
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 6: Sure, hardest hit.

990
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 7: Do we want to move on here to the next

991
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 7: next story here, guys.

992
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go ahead and shift gears too. We've got

993
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: Brad Lander standing by to talk to us about his

994
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: campaign in a New York City congressional district. He's in

995
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: a Democratic primary against Dan Goldman, who is significantly to

996
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: his right, especially in questions Frankly, Warren Peace, none of

997
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: our relationship to Israel, so let's go ahead get to that,

998
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: all right, everybody. We are fortunate to be joined this

999
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: morning by Brad Lander. He of course is former New

1000
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: York City Comptroller, a former mayoral candidate, and current congressional

1001
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: candidate in New York City. Great to see, Sar, Great

1002
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: to be on with you have a bunch of things

1003
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: we want to get to you. Here is a lot

1004
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: going on in New York City, the country and the

1005
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: world at large. First wanted to just get your reaction

1006
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 2: to the War of Choice in Iran.

1007
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 9: I mean the fact that American tax pair of dollars

1008
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 9: are being used to light the Middle East on fire,

1009
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 9: that thousands of people are dead, including hundreds of kids

1010
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 9: at that school, including US service members. That we've made

1011
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 9: millions of refugees, three quarters of a million in Lebanon,

1012
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 9: probably over two million in Iran. That we've shredded American

1013
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 9: credibility in the world and are doing irreparable damage to

1014
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 9: international law.

1015
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 3: And for what.

1016
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 9: You know, the American public is against it. Where is

1017
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 9: Congress being a louder to stop it? Article one of

1018
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 9: the Constitutions, as Congress decides whether we declare or it

1019
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 9: is outrageous, and I'm outraged.

1020
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 8: And so your opponent represented Dan Goldman, he voted for

1021
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 8: the War Powers resolution that would have restricted Trump's war.

1022
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 8: All but four Democrats in the House and one in

1023
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 8: the Senate voted for that. But there's been a very

1024
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 8: long and wide kind of spectrum about how people are

1025
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 8: talking about the war with well, we understand and Iran

1026
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 8: can't have a nuclear weapon and cite a lot of

1027
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 8: justifications for it, and then say, but you know, I

1028
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 8: don't trust Trump to wage this.

1029
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 3: Others have just said the war needs to end today,

1030
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: it was illegal to begin with.

1031
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 8: What where are you on that spectrum and what's the

1032
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 8: what would you describe as the difference between you and

1033
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 8: your opponent on your approach to it.

1034
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean the war needs to end today. We

1035
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 9: shouldn't spend any more money on it, and I am.

1036
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 3: Opposed to it.

1037
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 9: I mean, of course, the Iranian regime has repressed and

1038
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 9: killed its own people. Of course there needs to be

1039
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 9: attention to making sure that they don't get a nuclear weapon,

1040
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 9: but we know from our own Defense Intelligence Agency assessment

1041
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 9: that they weren't getting closer and that this was simply

1042
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 9: a war of choice. I mean, Marco Rubio said out

1043
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 9: loud that Netanya, who essentially baited Trump into this war.

1044
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 3: I've been real loud about it.

1045
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 9: My opponent voted for the War Powers resolution but has

1046
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 9: not been loud about it. And supporters of my opponent,

1047
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 9: I mean, he gets a lot of funding from APAC Downers.

1048
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 3: A pack is cheerleading this war. So I think there's

1049
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 3: a pretty strong distinction. Right.

1050
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 8: If we can talk for a moment about the attack

1051
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 8: on the synagogue in Michigan yesterday, what was your and

1052
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 8: also there was another there was another attack in Virginia.

1053
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 3: What was your immediate reaction. What's your reaction as you've

1054
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 3: learned more about well.

1055
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 6: And we can add this is all on the heels

1056
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 6: of what happened outside Grasie Manchon obviously last week, there

1057
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 6: was immediately after the war began, Austin, Texas saw an

1058
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 6: act of apparently terrorism. So it does seem like these

1059
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 6: events are popping up in some frequency just over the

1060
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 6: last the first two weeks of this.

1061
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 9: Or Yeah, So one of the rabbis at Temple Israel

1062
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 9: in West Boomfield was a cabin counselor with me at

1063
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 9: a Jewish summer camp outside of Indianapolis in the summer

1064
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 9: of nineteen eighty seven after I graduated from high school.

1065
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 3: Josh Bennett's his name.

1066
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 9: And actually his older brother was my rabbi and still

1067
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 9: is my parents' rabbi in Saint Louis. So this stuff

1068
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 9: is hitting pretty close to home. So my first reaction

1069
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 9: yesterday was like, shit, that's my friend in that synagogue.

1070
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 9: And you know, thankfully, very quickly, you know that incident

1071
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 9: was resolved thanks to the first responders. And mostly what

1072
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 9: was going on in that synagogue at that time was

1073
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 9: preschool and people shouldn't be afraid to go pray or

1074
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 9: send their kids to pre school in synagogues or any

1075
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 9: other house of worship. Anti Semitism is on the rise,

1076
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 9: and we have to call it out and work together

1077
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 9: to say it'll never be normal. It's got to be safe.

1078
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 9: What are the local state strategies people are taking.

1079
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: And it is.

1080
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 9: Also true that in the wake of war violence gets

1081
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 9: more common. That never makes it okay. Not okay for

1082
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 9: Isis inspired terrorists to throw, you know, incendiary devices near

1083
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 9: Gracie Mansion.

1084
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 3: Not okay.

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Speaker 9: For someone to drive a vehicle into a synagogue and

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Speaker 9: then try to start shooting it up. Not okay for

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Speaker 9: Tommy Tuberville and Randy Fine to go on islamophobic rants

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Speaker 9: on social media. You know, the responsibility if you value

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Speaker 9: human life and you care about people is to tone

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Speaker 9: down rhetoric, to try to normalize understanding, to condemn acts

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Speaker 9: of hate. But one more consequence of launching a reckless

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Speaker 9: and illegal war, in addition to all the damage that

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Speaker 9: it's doing to millions of people there, is that it

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Speaker 9: has this sort of diffuse effect of spreading and normalized violence.

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Speaker 9: More broadly, so, some responsibilities on the hands of the

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Speaker 9: people who started it.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna I have this quote from you

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Speaker 2: reacting to Tommy Tuberville, who is a senator saying the

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Speaker 2: enemy is inside the gates and posting pictures of nine

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Speaker 2: to eleven alongside mayor Mom Donnie and you reacted to

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00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: this pretty strongly. Is that I can't even find the

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Speaker 2: words to express how repugnant and despicable this post is.

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Speaker 2: People view such islamophobic bile don't belong in the United

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Speaker 2: States Congress. Job of elected officials to combat hate, not

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Speaker 2: fan its flame. Shame on Senator Tuberville, Keep New York

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Speaker 2: City out of your bigoted mouth. This Jewish New Yorker

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Speaker 2: is proud we elected our first Muslim mayor. We've seen

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Speaker 2: similar comments from Randy Fine a distressingly large number of

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00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: Republicans when confronted with these sorts of comments, Republican elected officials,

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Speaker 2: I should clarify unable to fully say that you know

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00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: that this is bigotry and call it out directly. Here's

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00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: Congress and Randy Fine saying we need more Islamophobia, not less.

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00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 2: Fear of Islam is rational. So first of all, just

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Speaker 2: your reaction to the extremely overtly bigoted nature of these comments.

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Speaker 2: And also I'm wondering, you know, if this is if

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Speaker 2: you're experiencing this in New York City, this rise in

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Speaker 2: overt Islamophobia, or if this is more of a national politician.

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Speaker 7: Direction.

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Speaker 3: Sadly, it's right here in New York City as well.

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Speaker 9: We've got a city council member, Vicky Paladino's comments or

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Speaker 9: right up there with Randy Fine and Tommy Tuberville, and

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Speaker 9: you know, the normalizing like to say, is we need

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Speaker 9: more Islamophobia. I mean, it is true on the one

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Speaker 9: hand that there have been more anti Semitic incidents and

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Speaker 9: hate crimes than Islamophobic ones over the last you know,

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Speaker 9: couple of years, but no one is saying anti Semitism

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Speaker 9: is okay. How do we combat it, what do we

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Speaker 9: do about it, how do we confront it? What is it,

1129
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Speaker 9: who's responsible for it, what's its definition? All of those

1130
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Speaker 9: are debates and questions, but no one I'm heard one

1131
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 9: person say it's acceptable, It's all right. Hatred of Jews

1132
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Speaker 9: is rational. You know, we at least have a consensus

1133
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Speaker 9: that we're against Jew hatred, we're against anti Semitism, and

1134
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Speaker 9: we're going to work to stop it. And lo and behold,

1135
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 9: senators and congress members and council members of Republicans are

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Speaker 9: here saying we're going to fan the flames of hatred

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Speaker 9: of Muslims in a city that you know, we've got

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Speaker 9: about a million and a half Jews, We've got about

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Speaker 9: a million Muslims. We have our first Muslim mayor, and yes,

1140
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Speaker 9: I am proud as a Jewish New Yorker to have

1141
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Speaker 9: supported him and that we elected our first Muslim mayor.

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Speaker 9: That's what this city is as a place that welcomes

1143
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 9: people from all over the world and takes people with

1144
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 9: different religious and faith traditions and makes us into New Yorkers.

1145
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Speaker 9: That's what's supposed to be true about America as well.

1146
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 9: That's why we have to work harder to defeat Donald Trump.

1147
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Speaker 9: This blood and soil conservatism that is being in this

1148
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Speaker 9: case weaponized against our Muslim neighbors during Ramadan is really frightening,

1149
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Speaker 9: and it unfortunately is likely to lead to there just

1150
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Speaker 9: doing it on Twitter with words.

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Speaker 3: But we know how this work.

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Speaker 9: Someone is going to be inspired by those words to

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Speaker 9: do something violent, and we've got work to do not

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Speaker 9: to let it happen.

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Speaker 6: Lawmakers in New York have a challenge on their hands.

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Speaker 6: I have referenced your post about Gracie Mansion a couple

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Speaker 6: of times this week because I thought you it was

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Speaker 6: really the right thing to do, and it was so

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Speaker 6: well said you. After saying file displays of Islamophobia will

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Speaker 6: never be tolerated in our city, you then followed up

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Speaker 6: and said, I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions and posting

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Speaker 6: too soon, but I'm not sorry for hating Islamophobia as

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Speaker 6: much as I hate anti Semitism, and I just wanted

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Speaker 6: to ask. I mean, there are already cameras and YPD

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Speaker 6: cameras that have been surveilling New Yorkers, much to the

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01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 6: anger of civil liberty's advocates in the city for a

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Speaker 6: long time. But people don't exactly feel safe right now

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Speaker 6: with good reason. They're crazy things happening all around the country.

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Speaker 6: How are we balancing or how do you think about

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Speaker 6: balancing those civil liberty concerns with also the very real

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Speaker 6: fears that people have of radical extremists taking measures into

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Speaker 6: their own hands, throwing explosive devices on the Upper East Side.

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Speaker 6: How do you think about those?

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Speaker 9: Well, but these lines are pretty straightforward. I think sometimes

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Speaker 9: people try to fudge them. It's permissible to protest and

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Speaker 9: say things and say hateful things like I am for

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Speaker 9: the freedom of those Islamophobic protesters who were outside Gracie

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Speaker 9: Mansion to be able to say vile, despicable, bigoted things,

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Speaker 9: and I'm for Tommy Tubberville and Randy Fines rights to

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Speaker 9: say despicable, vile, hateful things on Twitter and stand for

1181
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Speaker 9: office doing so. I'm going to say I find them

1182
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Speaker 9: vioted and hateful and despicable, and that we're going to

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Speaker 9: work hard not to elect them. And counter protesters calling

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Speaker 9: it vile and hateful and pointing out the islamophobia also

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Speaker 9: is important, and generally I will say the NYPD, in

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Speaker 9: my experience in this work, do a decent job, do

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Speaker 9: a pretty good job of separating protesters and saying here's

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Speaker 9: a place where you can protest, and here's a place

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Speaker 9: where you can counter protest. And the line was crossed

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Speaker 9: when people through explosive devices. That's when it moves from

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Speaker 9: speech to violence. And in that case also, I mean

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Speaker 9: the video of those NYPD officers running toward the devices.

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Speaker 9: To keep people safe like that is what we want

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Speaker 9: from law enforcement. It's a dangerous job to keep people

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Speaker 9: safe from violence because even the Islamophobes should not be

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Speaker 9: exposed to bombs or violence. I mean the mayor shouldn't

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Speaker 9: and the counter protesters shouldn't. So that line, I think

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Speaker 9: is straightforward, and we have a responsibility to like make

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Speaker 9: those distinctions. That's free speech. You've got a right to

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Speaker 9: say you shouldn't face violence for it.

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Speaker 3: I hate it. I find it despicable.

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Speaker 9: I'm going to make work to everything I can to

1203
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,479
Speaker 9: make sure you're not in office, and violence by people

1204
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 9: who are saying things, whether I agree or disagree with them,

1205
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 9: is never acceptable and there have to be consequences for it.

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Speaker 7: So one more question on this before we move on

1207
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Speaker 7: to the Hohcal thing with the broader context of obviously

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Speaker 7: the ongoing genocide in Gaza, the Israelian vision of Lebanon,

1209
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Speaker 7: now the war in Iran. Obviously, what do you think

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Speaker 7: the role of APAK is going to play or the

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Speaker 7: Israel lobby broadly in your election in your district specifically?

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Speaker 7: Do you think there could be some element of getting

1213
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Speaker 7: support from the Israel lobby, could backfire, could be seen

1214
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Speaker 7: as a negative. Where do you think that's going to

1215
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 7: play out?

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Speaker 9: Look, APAC knows that it's support is being viewed negatively,

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Speaker 9: and that's why in all these Illinois races, ending money

1218
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 9: saying here's our point of view, and it's opposed to

1219
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Speaker 9: this candidate's point of view. They're just throwing trash and

1220
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 9: dirt and whatever they can dig up at the candidates

1221
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 9: whose point of view on Israel and Palestine they oppose.

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Speaker 9: So that's their playbook right now, I mean, and I

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01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 9: suspect they'll do it here as well. You know, Dan Goldman,

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Speaker 9: my opponent is heavily supported by APAK, and I assume

1225
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 9: therefore there already is super PAC spending you know, for

1226
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Speaker 9: him and against me in this race.

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Speaker 3: And I imagine they'll be a lot more of it.

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Speaker 9: And yeah, I mean I think, you know, as a

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Speaker 9: Jewish New Yorker who like is really proud of it,

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01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 9: you know, is really clear about it, I think they

1231
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Speaker 9: like even less someone that says it's time to end

1232
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Speaker 9: unconditional US support for genocide. And what I believe, though,

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01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 9: is that the residents of New York's tenth Congressional District

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01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 9: feel that way as well. And they've seen the playbook too,

1235
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 9: and they know me, and you know, I'm optimistic that

1236
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 9: that spending will not change the opportunity to have a

1237
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Speaker 9: real dialogue.

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Speaker 3: But I wish we could do more about it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: let me be clear.

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Speaker 9: I passed here in New York something called the Independent

1241
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 9: Expenditure Disclosure Act BOLD this local law in the country.

1242
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 9: So if you do an independent expenditure in New York

1243
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 9: City elections, the top three individual donors have to sign

1244
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 9: their name on the lippiece or on the ad. That's

1245
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 9: as far as you can go under Citizens United. But

1246
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 9: Congress could pass a law not waiting for Citizens United,

1247
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 9: to require super PAC spending be disclosed not just generically

1248
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 9: on a website, but on the lit or on the ads,

1249
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 9: and then maybe people would be less likely to throw

1250
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 9: millions of dollars after, you know, such scurrilous advertising.

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Speaker 8: I did like that one last question on this theme

1252
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 8: before Kalum taxes, in case people missed it. Yesterday we

1253
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 8: reported that the name of the driver who drove his

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Speaker 8: truck into the synagogue was Aiman Gazella. And it turns

1255
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Speaker 8: out and this is and I want to get your

1256
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 8: sense and your reaction to this, because this is difficult

1257
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 8: stuff to even talk about and contextualize, because it feels

1258
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 8: like you're justifying. But of course we're all adults and

1259
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 8: we understand that one that explanations or motives are not

1260
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 8: necessarily justifications for violence. But we learned that Gazella's family

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Speaker 8: in Lebanon were four members of them were killed in

1262
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Speaker 8: an air strike last week, his little niece, little nephew,

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Speaker 8: Ali and Fatima, and then two of his brothers, Kassim

1264
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Speaker 8: and Ibrahim. And he posted on his WhatsApp stories overnight

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Speaker 8: their pictures and then the next thing we know, the

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Speaker 8: next day he attacks this synagogue. You know, how do

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Speaker 8: you how did you respond assume you saw that report,

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Speaker 8: how did you think through that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I mean, thank you for the for the reporting, however

1271
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Speaker 9: awful and horrific and challenging it is to think through. Look,

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Speaker 9: violence doesn't justify violence in response. War crimes, you know,

1273
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Speaker 9: are not an excuse for a next war crime, you know,

1274
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Speaker 9: and targeting civilians doesn't. Isn't justification for acts of violence

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Speaker 9: ort to harming other people's children. Obviously, the the people

1276
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Speaker 9: of West Bloomfield, Michigan and Temple Israel are not responsible

1277
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Speaker 9: for the deaths of his family members or other kids

1278
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Speaker 9: in Lebanon, And blaming Jews generically for the actions of

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Speaker 9: Israel is a form of anti Semitism. So all those

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Speaker 9: things are true. And also violence begets violence, like when

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01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 9: people's families are killed, they're enraged and they lose their

1282
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 9: ability in some cases to think rationally, and you lower

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Speaker 9: the bar on horrible things that people do. So I

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01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 9: don't think, I mean, yeah, I guess it's a nuance.

1285
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Speaker 9: But it is the case that when Israel is at

1286
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Speaker 9: war there are more acts of anti Semitic violence against

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Speaker 9: Jews around the world.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't justify them, but it is a fact.

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Speaker 9: And this in particular, this reckless war of choice, when

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Speaker 9: there was not an immediate threat to anyone's safety, you know,

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Speaker 9: I guess I think like that's maybe the way to

1292
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 9: say it here. There was not you know, they're not

1293
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Speaker 9: on the cospagetting nuclear weapons. They weren't about to launch

1294
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Speaker 9: a war or strike, so they were not immediately threatening

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Speaker 9: anyone with harm. And what Trump and Netta yahoo have

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Speaker 9: done is launched a war that's killed thousands of people.

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Speaker 3: It's made millions of people refugees.

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Speaker 9: I guess I do want to underline this, well, they

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Speaker 9: have a right wing politics based on fear of refugees,

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Speaker 9: and they've just made several million people.

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Speaker 3: Refugees in a way that's going to reverberate.

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Speaker 9: We might not feel that that'll be felt in Europe

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Speaker 9: more than here, that people fleeing Lebanon and Iran and

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Speaker 9: war start moving throughout the world. But the consequences of

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Speaker 9: escalating violence are bad for everyone, Like this war is

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Speaker 9: bad for everyone. It's bad for the people of Iran

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Speaker 9: who were bravely protesting for their freedom just a few

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Speaker 9: short weeks ago. They're not closer, doesn't look to me

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Speaker 9: like to freedom or stability, and many more are refugees

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Speaker 9: and many more are dead. It's bad for the people

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Speaker 9: of Lebanon. It's bad for Muslims here, it's bad for

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Speaker 9: Jews here. I don't know who it's good for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if I could just add one thing to that,

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Speaker 2: I think you're right when you say that. You know,

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Speaker 2: you particularly drive entities like APAT crazy as a proud

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Speaker 2: Jew and also someone who criticizes Israel, because groups like

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Speaker 2: APAC and the ADL all the way up to Benjamin

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Speaker 2: nett Yiaho himself love to conflate all Jews with the

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Speaker 2: state of Israel. And I think what you also see

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Speaker 2: in you know, neo Nazis, by the way, do the

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Speaker 2: same thing the Nick fuentn does. Is of the world

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Speaker 2: love to make that conflation as well. And I think

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Speaker 2: what you see also with this attack is the way

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Speaker 2: that that puts Jews at risks, because if you're saying

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Speaker 2: we're all responsible, we're all in on this horrific genocide

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Speaker 2: and these horrific atrocities that are being committed, and you

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Speaker 2: create this sort of collective responsibility. Again, this is coming

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Speaker 2: from groups like the ADL, a pack, Benjamin Nett Yaho

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Speaker 2: as well as the far right neo Nazis like Fwent does.

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Speaker 2: When you create that perception, then yes, that is going

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Speaker 2: to create more danger and more risk for all sorts

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Speaker 2: of Jewish people.

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Speaker 3: Agreed.

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Speaker 8: So Kathy HOBELM Mack, do you have the Kathy Hobel.

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Speaker 8: So Kathy Hogel spoke yesterday, Brad, you could do a

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Speaker 8: better job of anything setting the stage here. But effectively,

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Speaker 8: the New York City has a and you're the former compshroller,

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Speaker 8: and nobody knows is better than you, has a balanced

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Speaker 8: budget amendment, which means you have to either have enough

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Speaker 8: revenue to cover spending, or you have to cut spending

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Speaker 8: to match that hen or you have to if or

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Speaker 8: you can raise revenue and if you're going to match

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Speaker 8: the spending. And so Zoramandani ran with your loud support

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Speaker 8: on a very clear platform of covering that gap by

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Speaker 8: taxing the rich. But the state has the power to

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Speaker 8: allow him to do that. As I understand, the State

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Speaker 8: Senate and the State Assembly have both now passed bills

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Speaker 8: that would raise taxes, that would allow for the raising

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Speaker 8: of taxes on the super wealthy. There's slightly different, so

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Speaker 8: they have to be conferenced, but in principle, the state

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Speaker 8: legislature now, so you have voters of New York City

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Speaker 8: agreeing that we need to tax the rich. You have

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Speaker 8: the state legislature agreeing that you need to tax the rich.

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Speaker 8: You've had Hokeel saying we're not going to do that.

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Speaker 8: You had the New York City President saying, New York

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Speaker 8: City council presidents saying we're not going to do that,

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Speaker 8: which then pushes things over to property tax increases instead,

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Speaker 8: which Mom Donnie has said, I don't want to do that.

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Speaker 8: So she ends up Julie what's her name, Julie Minin

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Speaker 8: Minin men In City. Yeah, so she's pushing for cuts instead. Hopel,

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Speaker 8: though it's this seems like the first break that we've

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Speaker 8: seen from from HOCl potential opening to raise taxes. Let's

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Speaker 8: play this clip and then want to get your response

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Speaker 8: to it.

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Speaker 3: I philosophically don't have a problem.

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Speaker 6: It is like I have to look at the fact

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Speaker 6: that we are in competition with other states who have

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Speaker 6: less of a tax burden on their corporations and their individuals.

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Speaker 2: The Progressive Working Families Party.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so she said, I philosophically don't have a problem

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Speaker 8: with raising taxes on the wealthy. That is is that

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Speaker 8: a is that a new is that is that hopeful

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Speaker 8: for the Mom Donnie camp there it is.

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Speaker 9: I agree, that's the first time that I have heard

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Speaker 9: Governor Hockel say something that INDI Kate's room for compromise

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Speaker 9: with the legislature here. And look, there's a lot of choices,

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Speaker 9: you know, a great the state Senate Finance chair List

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Speaker 9: Krueger was on the Senate floor a day before yesterday

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Speaker 9: pointing out one of the things they've proposed is just

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Speaker 9: eliminating a tax break on gold bullion. It turns out

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Speaker 9: that if you hold gold bullion as a form of

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Speaker 9: wealth in your basement or I don't know, in your

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Speaker 9: bank in New York, you get a tax break that

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Speaker 9: was implemented a couple of decades ago, and just a

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Speaker 9: state on the books. Six hundred million dollars is what

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Speaker 9: the state is giving up every year by a tax.

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Speaker 3: Break on gold bullyon.

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Speaker 9: So like, that's not even you know, an additional tax

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Speaker 9: on ultra millionaires or an increase in the corporate tax.

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Speaker 9: There's you know, Americans know that the ultra wealthy have

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Speaker 9: found lots of loopholes and ways of shielding themselves from

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Speaker 9: fair taxation. And it's overwhelmingly popular. And I think the

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Speaker 9: fact that the Governor Ogle sees that the state Senate

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Speaker 9: and the Assembly have put these things in their bills,

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Speaker 9: and that we want to be able to expec and

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Speaker 9: child's care without cutting our schools or maintenance in our parks.

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Speaker 3: Is what we need to do.

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Speaker 9: And yes, she's right that other governors are also going

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Speaker 9: to face this choice in a world where you know,

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump is you know, as a result of sort

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Speaker 9: of the inflationary pressures of the tariffs, as a result

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Speaker 9: of so many cuts to federal policies. You know, New

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01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 9: York State is currently picking up food stamp costs that

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Speaker 9: were being borne by the federal government, and the city

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01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 9: and state together trying to deal with some big housing

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01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 9: voucher cuts that Trump made. So this is a choice

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Speaker 9: that governors and legislatures are going to be facing. And

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01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 9: the right answer is to modestly increase taxes on the

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01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 9: wealthiest folks. And that's what Albany has the choice to

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Speaker 9: do over the next couple of weeks. Modest increases getting

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Speaker 9: rid of that gold bullyon tax, a modest increase in

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Speaker 9: the corporate tax, a modest increase on New Yorkers who

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Speaker 9: make over twenty five million dollars a year, who love

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01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 9: New York City. They're not going to leave it as

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Speaker 9: a result of a modest tax increase we actually aren't

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Speaker 9: talking about. I mean, billions of dollars is a significant

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01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 9: amount of money. But what's necessary here to close the

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01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 9: budget gap for New York City and to allow us

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01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 9: to get toward universal childcare without big cuts, is a

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Speaker 9: modest increase on the wealthiest New Yorkers. And I hope

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01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,799
Speaker 9: that you know Governor hokals comments yesterday indicate a willingness

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Speaker 9: to reach a deal with the legislature to get there.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I used to make fun of the gold bugs,

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01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: but I've been thinking lately maybe I need to acquire

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01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 2: some gold bully on given the stability of world right now.

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01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: So I need to check here in Virginia if we've

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Speaker 2: got any similar tax breaks on the books. One more

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01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 2: thing from me. In any case, I wanted to get

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01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: your reaction. Former Governor Cuomo had some had some thoughts

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01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 2: on you, Brad, and so I wanted to get your

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01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 2: reaction to this. You and also Zoron of course, So

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Speaker 2: let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: Now, Look, there is no truth anymore, there is no

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01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 10: accountability anymore. What Zoran knows is you stay whatever is

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01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 10: convenient to say, just putting out there on social media.

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01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 10: Of course it's not true. He was shocked and surprised

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01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 10: that there's a twelve billion dollar budget. Mayor Adams lied

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01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 10: everybody like, Yeah, it turns out he's the liar, Brad Lander.

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01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 10: I don't think he's got a genuine bone in his body.

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01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 10: He's a pandering politician, the Democrat far lefty. He wanted

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01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 10: to patronize the far left and show that he was

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01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 10: with them in his anti Israel views. That's what it is. Pandering,

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01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 10: pure pandering.

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Speaker 2: This man has really wanted to talk about accountability. In

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01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 2: any case, let him cook. Yeah, there you go. In

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01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 2: any case, Brad are you are you patronizing me? Right now?

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01:16:58,360 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 3: I respond to it.

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01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 9: I mean first I was like, I mean, Andrew Cuomo

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01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 9: is a master of projection. Obviously, he's never had a

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01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 9: seriously held position other than whatever benefits Andrew Cuomo. And

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01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 9: he can't understand anyone else believing the things they say.

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01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty straightforward.

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01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 9: I responded with some letters I had written to my

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01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 9: hometown Jewish newspaper in nineteen ninety when I was a

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01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 9: junior in college, when I expressed more or less the

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01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 9: same point of view on Israel and Palestine that I

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01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 9: have today. That newspaper had published some political cartoons making

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01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 9: Palestinians look like rats, and I wrote the editor, who

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01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,879
Speaker 9: had been my teacher in Sunday school, and said, please

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01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 9: don't do this like we have to find a way

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01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 9: to mutual recognition and peace.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I linked it on my Twitter. If

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01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 3: people want to go read the back and forth, you can.

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01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 9: But what I responded with is yes, I started my

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Speaker 9: long con of faking my positions on Israel when I

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01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 9: was twenty years old in nineteen ninety, just for the

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01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 9: purpose of trolling and defeating Andrew Cuomo diabolical.

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Speaker 3: Every minute was worth it. It's chess, all right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure you have a lot to get to

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Speaker 2: you today, and we're really grateful for your time, Brad.

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Speaker 2: If you can let people know where they can go

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Speaker 2: to find out more about your campaign or support it

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Speaker 2: if they are so inclined.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, thanks great to see you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you all.

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