1 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. And today we're 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: talking about poppy seeds, and because of that, I wanted 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: to give just a quick like I guess content warning 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: here at the top. If opioid uh drugs are not 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: a subject that you are up for hearing anything about today, uh, 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: then you know, maybe maybe give a pass to this one, 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: because we get just a tiny bit into that here 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: and there. Yes, yes, And this was inspired by our 10 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: upcoming we are working on it, Alice in Wonderland episode. 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: Very excited about it, and also our recent Muffin episode 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: because I totally missed a Seinfeld referenced shame on me 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: in that episode, the poppy seed Muffin episode. Oh that's right, 14 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: because because Elaine tests of fall positive for opioid use 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: because of a poppy seed muffin. Right, Yeah, how could 16 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: I forget? I were all disappointed in you, Annie. I 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: can feel your disappointment through the Skype. That is a 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: strong disappointment. I will endeavor to never miss a Seinfeld 19 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: reference again. Will you better? Thank you? Well, thank you, 20 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: and yes I won't. I think I've maybe had one 21 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: poppy seed muffin in my whole life maybe, um, yeah, yeah, 22 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: I can't even remember, like I remember very specifically. I 23 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: was in Savannah, Georgia to march in the Big St. 24 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: Patrick's Say Parade when I was in high school. For 25 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: some reason, I just remember having this muffin that I've 26 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: never had before, and it was like kind of lemony, 27 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: and I think maybe that was a poppy seed muffin. 28 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I've definitely gotten the panic text 29 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: from friends saying, oh my god, I've had poppy seas 30 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: and have a direct us. What do I do? Well, 31 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: I think you'll be okay, Yeah, I Um, I really 32 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: love lemon flavored baked goods, so I've had a lot 33 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: of poppy seed baked goods in my life. Um and yeah, yeah, 34 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: I I love them crunchy, there's a color contrast in 35 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: their nice Yeah yeah yeah. I mean I've certainly had 36 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: the Trader Joe's Everything bagel seasoning, which okay, which contains Yeah. 37 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm to understand that it is a very popular seasoning 38 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: and we actually got that from a sponsor. I think 39 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: miss Bagel's from some bagel company. I apologize. Yeah, I 40 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: feel like it was Thomas. Oh gosh, we're terrible people. Um, yes, 41 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: we got a whole basket of stuff, um for like 42 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: for the in honor of the bagel emoji coming out. 43 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: That's right. Oh and that emoji pillow, that's where that 44 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: came from. I got pillow from that, That's right, Okay. 45 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: And I certainly had poppy seed bagels at some point. 46 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: And I know I've had a poppy seed hot dog 47 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: mine or just a hot dog bun with poppy seeds. 48 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, so I get another warding. This one 49 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: is a tricky topic. And when I was in college, 50 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: I actually did a paper on the implications of poppy 51 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: growth in Afghanistan when the US intervened and tried to 52 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: put a stop to it, and all of those folks 53 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: lost their source of income and perhaps joined terrorist organizations 54 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: because of it because they pay. Yeah. Sure, yeah, so 55 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: we're a food show. We're not really going to go 56 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: too deep into that stuff, but we will touch on 57 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: it if you're curious. I'm not sure I've ever said 58 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: this on the show, but I actually went to college 59 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: to join the CIA potentially, and here I am. You 60 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: never know where life will go exactly, and you never 61 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: know where the research will take you exactly. There's there's 62 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: a great instance of that maxim in this very episode. Indeed, 63 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: But before we get to that, I guess we should 64 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: get to our question. Poppy seeds. What are they? Well, 65 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: poppy seeds are the seeds of the opium poppy plant 66 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: botanical name popaver Um snifer um or Papa wear cinifer um. 67 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: I'm not sure anyway, Moving on, these poppies are flowering herbs, 68 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: that is there. They're a soft stemmed plant that can 69 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: grow like two to five ft tall um just tall, 70 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: it's like a half a meter to a to a 71 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: meter and a half or so, and they produce at 72 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: the top of these stocks. These are these bright, beautiful 73 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: flowers and colors from white to pink, to purple, to 74 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: to red, to blue ish to a combination um. And 75 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: those flowers, when pollinated, develop into these bulbous green fruits 76 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: um that when they yellow and ripen, will produce these 77 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: oily wee, little round seeds in colors from white to 78 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: black to a sort of bluish black, tiny tiny things 79 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: think like a like a rough ground peppercorn or coffee 80 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 1: in size. And so if you drive these seeds out UM. 81 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: They are a crunchy and slightly fatty and sort of roasty, 82 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: warm flavored seed that that add like a pop of 83 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: texture and color to foods. They're often sprinkled on or 84 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: through UM both sweet and savory baked goods UH incorporated 85 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: into dressings and sauces and stews and puddings UM the 86 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: American sense of puddings like a not any dessert, but 87 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: a pudding dessert anyway, UM or or used as you 88 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: might use ground nuts or seeds to create like a 89 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: rich filling for a pastry. You can also process oil 90 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: from the seeds culinary or industrial use UM. The oil 91 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: is good for helping create emulsions, which is the fancy 92 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,679 Speaker 1: word for like making oil and water plain ice together 93 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: like in salad dressing you know UM, and for creating 94 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: a drying effect in paints and varnishes because it's a 95 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: dry drying oil UM. After you extract the oil, the 96 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: cakes of these seeds might be used for animal feed. 97 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: And this plant is infamous not so much because of 98 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: the seeds, partially because of the seeds, but more because 99 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: in the process of living and growing, this plant produces 100 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: this type of latex like a like a milky, sappy 101 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: gummy substance that happens to contain a few compounds that 102 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: produce interesting effects in human bodies opiates. This latex gum 103 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: can be collected and processed into opioid drugs, which can 104 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: mimic the effects of compounds that our own bodies do 105 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: make and can produce in our bodies pain relieving and 106 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: feel good sorts of feelings. The species name sniffer um 107 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: roughly means sleep ringing in Latin because of those effects 108 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: and uh, those compounds can also produce a number of 109 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: negative effects um and furthermore, are physically and mentally addictive, 110 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: which means that we humans can come to depend on 111 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: using them and using increasingly more of them in order 112 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: to feel just okay bad times there Other species of 113 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: poppies will grow similar flowers, but not the edible seeds 114 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: and um fewer and less of those opiate compounds. Okay, 115 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: So so what about the nutrition? Okay? Al right, So 116 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, poppy seeds are used more 117 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: as a seasoning than like a let's seed, a whole 118 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: bunch of this sort of food, but even a tablespoon 119 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 1: contains like good punches of protein and dietary fiber um 120 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: mostly healthy unsaturated fats like good A Mega threes and sixes, 121 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: and just a wild amount of minerals like manganese and calcium. 122 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: So poppy seeds are a pretty great addition to your 123 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: diet in terms of how thing fill you up and 124 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: keep you going. I mean, if you mix them with 125 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: like an equal weight of sugar and put them in pastry, 126 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: that's a different issue, but right as with anything. Um. 127 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: But the question as it relates to drug tests and 128 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: I guess general curiosity, like the opium poppy produces these opioids, 129 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: and you can test positive on a drug test from 130 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: eating poppy seeds. So will poppy seeds get you high? 131 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: Will they? No? I mean, okay, like possibly if you 132 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: ate a lot of poppy seeds, maybe a little high, 133 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: but at that point you would mostly feel like just 134 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: really full of poppy seeds. Don't try this at home, 135 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: by the way, Like, just like if you ate a 136 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,479 Speaker 1: lot of any other kind of seed, mostly your intestines 137 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: would feel away and not a good way. So probably 138 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: don't do that. Oh, definitely definitely don't do it. Avoid 139 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: that one. But okay, So the thing about poppy seeds 140 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: that the seeds themselves do not contain any of those 141 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: opiates when they're growing um or when they're finished, they 142 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: do not grow to contain them UM, but contamination can 143 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: occur during processing or or due to pest damage during 144 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: opium poppy growth, and that contamination is low enough to 145 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: be considered a non concern in terms of dietary intake. Like, 146 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: they will not get you high. But because of the 147 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: way that that we have classically tested for opioid drugs, 148 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: even the tiniest, tiniest bit of the compound morphine in 149 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: your urine will cause you to test positive. So if 150 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: you eat a totally normal amount of contaminated seeds, you 151 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: can come back with a false positive for opioid drug use. 152 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: So like, if you know you're gonna have to take 153 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: a drug test, probably avoid poppy seeds for a day 154 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: or so just to be safe. But also, yeah, like 155 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: there's UM there's discussion in the medical field UM and 156 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: the culinary industry about how to control for this in 157 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: both seed production and in drug testing. Like you can 158 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: wash the seeds to remove some of these opiates, that's 159 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: a normal part of production. UM, but the prior recommended 160 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: threshold for for years and years for drug testing, was 161 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: only three hundred nanograms of morphine per milli leader of 162 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: urine UM, which is it's such a small amount, it's 163 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: so tiny um in was recommended by the U. S 164 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: Department of Health and Human Services and by the medical 165 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: world in general to raise that to two thousand nanograms 166 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: per milli leader UM because of poppy seeds, just because 167 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: of poppy seeds, because so many people were false positive 168 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: testing that it was considered an issue. UM and it 169 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: was raised specifically to two thousand nanograms per milli leader 170 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: because having that much in your urine roughly corresponds to 171 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: having ingested the bare minimum amount of opioids that anyone 172 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: could possibly take to have any kind of therapeutic effect. 173 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: Even that's a crazy minium anyway. UM. As of two 174 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, many labs were still using the lower 175 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: number though so still I will say doing the research 176 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: for this one, uh, I type in Google poppy seed 177 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: history eight pages later, it's still will I test positive? 178 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: What do I do? And I'm like, this is yeah, 179 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: it is UM. That is relatively recent and UH and 180 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: a very deep and interesting and horrifying topic that we 181 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: are not getting very deep into today. But yes, best 182 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: advice if you know you have drug test again day 183 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: or two out, don't eat any poppy seeds. You'll you'll 184 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: be fine. But um, but yeah, poppy seeds have been 185 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: used for just a wild range of folk medicinal purposes 186 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: over the millennia UM, but as of yet, no scientific 187 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: evidence of adicinal properties has been found UM other than 188 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: again from contamination from opium compounds. Right, and we do 189 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: have some culture stuff we want to touch on in 190 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: this one. In the United States, we primarily get our 191 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: poppy seeds for food from the Netherlands and Turkey. The 192 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: stuff you get at the store is most likely Dutch 193 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: poppy seeds, and here in the States we usually delegate 194 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: poppy seeds to the realm of baked goods like muffins, bagels, 195 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: pound cake, particularly lemon pound cake. Seems like this lemon 196 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: is a common flavor compliment thing happening, cookies, hot dog buns, 197 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: particularly in Chicago, probably due to Jewish baking traditions. Bagels, hamon, 198 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: tashi in breads, pastas in Indian curries, um, Trader Joe's Everything, bagels, 199 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: seasoning in sound dressing, poxied oil, POxy tea, which apparently 200 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: can be brewed in such a way to produce some 201 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: of these psychoactive effects. Yeah, do not make poppy seed 202 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: tea at home. Don't do it. You don't know how 203 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: contaminated the poppy seeds, maybe with opioids um and you 204 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: could overdose. Opioid overdoses are serious and they're a serious 205 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: problem because they make you stop breathing. So do not 206 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: make poppy seed tea at home. Don't do it. Do 207 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: not do it. Nope. The poppy seed roll is popular 208 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: in Eastern Europe, where poppy seeds in general see why 209 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: they're very popular ingredients poppy seed pudding, poppy seed dumplings 210 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: and dip soup salads. And in Poland there is a 211 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: poppy seed cake called Maco Yits, which cultured U. P. 212 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: L called possibly the quote most scame balless cake in 213 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: the world. Scandal cake cake, scandal. Even so, this sweet 214 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: shootle like yeast cake boasting of a filling of raisins, honey, butter, 215 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: walnut and ground poppy seas is one of the most 216 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: popular desserts in Poland. Again, why did I not try 217 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: this when I was in Poland? What was I doing? 218 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: Where were you gosh. Yeah, I did get very lost 219 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: in Poland. I was trying to go watch a while. 220 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: I was there for like a month, but I was 221 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: trying to go watch a soccer game, a football game, 222 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: and I wandered around the city for a long time. 223 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: I never see it. Oh no, but I did get 224 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: to try this amazing vodka. But anyway, okay, I see 225 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: you where your priorities were. Don't judge me, Lauren. Never 226 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: well sometimes just sometimes, all right, that's that's fair. That yeah, okay. 227 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: So there is a variety of this poppy seed roll 228 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: that is almost entirely made up of poppy seeds, and 229 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: it's traditionally eaten around Christmas and Easter, perhaps because of 230 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: stories that poppies bloomed from the spots where Jesus's blood 231 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: landed during his crucifixion. A Polish woman even wrote a 232 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: song about this type of poppy seed roll, which I 233 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: will not see, but I will recite for you. Okay, 234 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: there's no match fu lu bartov Maco yets. It's a roma, 235 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: it's flavor, curls of sweet poppy seeds. Yeah, beautiful, and 236 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: and they look like or at least in the pictures 237 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: I've seen of them. There are thick swirls in sort 238 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: of a bread. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of 239 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: the time pastries with poppy seed filling will be um 240 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: rolled up like a like a Swiss roll or a 241 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: cinnamon roll. Um. But but yeah with with with really 242 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: thick like like equal like breading to poppy seed layer thickness. Yes, 243 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: they're quite pretty. So what's the scandal though? Yeah? Yeah, 244 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: the cake has a reputation for essentially, yes, introducing morphine 245 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: into your system. What's consumed, which it isn't true. Are 246 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: you're not getting high off of it? But yes, the 247 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: test might indicate that you have morphine in your system. 248 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: There has been so much writing about this because it 249 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: is a really popular food thing. There. Oh, man, I 250 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: and I found to something else we missed in our 251 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: bagel episode lurd Oh yeah, oh yeah, you're gonna like 252 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: this one. It's yes, the bagel rito bagel brito. Is 253 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: this what? Okay, bagel bagel margarita or bagel burrito bagel burrito. 254 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I like my idea better bagel margarita. I 255 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: am intrigued by that. I have to say that gave 256 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: me pass um. Okay, so I love Marnie Shore's headline 257 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: about the Bagel Rito over at the takeout. The bagel 258 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: Rito is a literal hot mess, but it has a 259 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: confidence you can only dream of. Okay, here's the quote 260 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: she used in that article from the representative at this 261 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 1: event she was at. The bagel Rito is the latest 262 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: breakfast innovation from Einstein Bros. Bagels, Substantial in size and 263 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: high and flavor. It's loaded with two k tree eggs, 264 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: thick cut bacon, turkey sausage, three cheeses, hash brown sauca 265 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: and green chilies, and a flower tortilla, all hand wrapped 266 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: in an ostiago bagel dough and baked fresh. It's substantial size, 267 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: high flavor, and portability has earned it its slogan Big, 268 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: bold and easy to hold. Uh yeah, no, just that 269 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: doesn't fit with your bagel sensibilities. I'm shocked, Lauren, and 270 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: I'm genuinely shocked. Oh my gosh. Um. I mean, you know, 271 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: I like a Stromboli as much as the neck guy. Uh, 272 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't understand why bagel dough needs 273 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: to be involved in any of this. Specifically, it doesn't 274 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: seem like the optimal type of dough for this kind 275 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: of application. And furthermore, I'm really confused. Of all the 276 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: things I'm confused about about this, I am the most 277 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: confused about the fact that it is a literal burrito. 278 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: It's it's already in a flower tortilla and then you 279 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: wrap it in bagel dough. This is what's giving me pause, 280 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: the tortilla plus bagel situation. I always love your your 281 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: scientific breakdown of these things, these very important issues of 282 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: our time. Uh. I really appreciate it, you know. I 283 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: believe in treating everything with the seriousness that it deserves. 284 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: It's one of the things I love about Lauren. But 285 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: the bagel rito I think will be fine because again, 286 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: it has a confidence we can only dream of. Ye. 287 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: It is big, bold and easy to hold. So good, 288 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: good for it, Good for it. I I appreciate that 289 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: in a breakfast Good It's true and it's fun to 290 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: say in all seriousness. So it is it is. Yes, yes, okay. 291 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: So moving on from that and back to part we 292 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: do have some history, ah, we do. Um, But first 293 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: we've got a quick break for a word from our sponsor, 294 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. So okay. 295 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: When it comes to the history, of poppy seeds as 296 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: a food. Not a lot of research has been done 297 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: on it, plenty on opium, not so much on the 298 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: food and drink uses. The opium poppy is thought to 299 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: have originated in the Mediterranean. Cultivation of the poppy is 300 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: theorized to have first taken place in Greece and Asia Minor, 301 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: which is pretty much modern day Turkey. Western European civilization 302 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: most likely began cultivating the opium poppy, or maybe it's 303 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: predecessor or relative, probably during the Neolithic Age, and researchers 304 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: know this from the remains of large numbers of seeds 305 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: found in Switzerland and Italy. It's hard to say for sure, 306 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: but historians think the seeds were used both as a 307 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: food and seasoning. How all this information is from one 308 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: research article I found super dense on this, and I 309 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: really appreciated slash. It really annoyed me. The author liked 310 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: to kind of like was misleading you, and then there 311 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: was a twist, Oh, so it had originated here, and 312 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: you're you're going along with that thought in your head, 313 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, there's a paragraph where 314 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: the author says, that's what we thought, but it was 315 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: all InCred Oh my gosh, gosh, now and go back 316 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: and anyway at least with the correct thing. Then go 317 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: into the isn't it interesting that we used to think 318 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: this other thing? It was m Night Shamalan research paper. 319 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: There are more than one twist, all right, Yeah. The 320 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: ancient Egyptians and Greeks recommended poppy seeds as a form 321 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: of painkiller and sedative. The Hippocratic Corpus, which was a 322 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: collection of medical text primarily written during the fourth and 323 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: fifth century BC, detailed something called poppy juice. Homer mentioned 324 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: garden poppies. Kato the Elder wrote about poppy cultivation in Italy. 325 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: The first instance of differentiating between black and white seated 326 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: poppies is believed to have come from the Hippocratic dayda 327 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: at the during around the same time, where they were 328 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: described as strengthening and nourishing, and the work recommended a 329 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: mixture of white poppy c eats, meal and honey for 330 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: people recovering from disease. The first instance of describing a 331 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: species of poppy other than the Opium variety came to 332 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: us from THEO Frostis and later Das Karietes and Plenty 333 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: expanded the number of poppy varieties in their writings. Plenty 334 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: also documented using poppy seeds as a seasoning for bread, 335 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: and so did Galin, but only in small amounts, as 336 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: he believed it made you sleepy. In large quantities, once 337 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: the Egyptians figured out how to make atull poppy seed oil, 338 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: they might have mixed it with honey and put that 339 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: in bread, which sounds really good to me. Throughout ancient 340 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: times in the Mediterranean region, the opium poppy was pretty 341 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: much the only one that was used in any sort 342 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: of food or drink way. The rest were used almost 343 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: completely medicinally, and the absence of the poppy in certain 344 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: works during the time, certain works around cuisine UH seems 345 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: to suggest that it was perceived as more of a 346 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: food for commoners. Okay, UM, And yeah, those medicinal uses 347 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: of UM, primarily the opium poppy, but probably other types 348 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: of poppies over the course of history have been really 349 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: intense UM from various times throughout the world. UM. According 350 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: to Purdue University's Horticulture Department, um opium poppy has been 351 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: quote regarded as analgesic, anodyne, anti tuss of aphrodisiac, a 352 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: stringent bacterial sidle, calmative, carminative, demulcent, emollient, expectorant, heem static, hypotensive, hypnotic, narcotic, nervine, sedative, sudophoric, sure, 353 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: and tonic um and poppy has been used in folk 354 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: remedies for asthma, bladder bruises, cancer, cataract, qatar sure, cold 355 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: call it, conject of vitis, cough, diarrhea, this, enterried dysmanarrhea, enteritis, 356 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: in terrasia, fever, flux, headache, hemicrania, hypertension, hypochondria, hysteria, inflammation, insomnia, luke, correa, malaria, mania, melancholy, nausea, 357 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 1: neural gia, titus, uh, protestis, proleps rectitus, rheumatism, snake bites, spasm, spermatorrha, sprain, 358 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: stomach ache, swelling, toothache, tumor, ulcers, and wards and wards, 359 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: okay and warts. I love that so much, Lauren. It's 360 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: been a long time since we've had such a savor 361 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: list on the show, and I congratulate you for undertaking 362 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: such I would say, probably our most difficult list to date. 363 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I am sorry that I am so ignorant 364 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: about Latin in Greek, y'all, but I hope that some 365 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: some of those were understandable, and perhaps a couple were 366 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: even correct. I thought it was funny. I hope that 367 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: y'all agree. I loved it. I love you. Got to 368 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: see the faces I was making as I attempted to 369 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: say the words. It was very exciting. I felt like 370 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: I was on a roller coaster. Um. What I'm saying 371 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: is that people have known about opium related products for 372 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: a very long time and have thought any number of 373 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: things about them over the years. C. L. D. R. Yes. Yes. 374 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: Poppy seas were mentioned in the Edict of Diocletian, which 375 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: was written during the three hundred C. During the seventh 376 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: century Greek Encyclopedia's Palace, Janetta wrote of an ancient dessert 377 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: of roasted poppy seeds with honey. Both in Europe and 378 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: in Egypt, the ancient Indians might have done some thing similar. 379 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: Also in ancient times, the Slavs might have believed that 380 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: poppies enabled crossing between life and death, and maybe even 381 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: made dishes of poppy seeds for the dead, believing that 382 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: they came back to visit every now and then, why 383 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: not give them a treat? Or in the complete opposite, direction. 384 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: Perhaps they thought that poppy seas kept the unquiet from 385 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: returning unquiet dead. Um depends on the source, but I 386 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: suppose either way, possibly the ancient Slabs attached to spiritual 387 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: quality to poppy seeds. And this brings us to a 388 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: very important announcement. Oh okay, yes, yes, serious, Lauren, very serious. 389 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: I'm okay, yeah, I'm I'm so thrilled to say that 390 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: I got to go down Slavic beliefs rabbit hole around vampires, 391 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: uh for this poppy seed episode. Yeah, okay. Apparently one 392 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: method of defeating vampires was believed to be scattering poppy 393 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: seeds on their coffin so that when they awoke, they'd 394 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: be forced to count all of the poppy seeds. Oh yeah, yeah, 395 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: I love that. Of of all the ways of defeating vampires. Um, 396 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: they're like like anal retention, like like, yes, gosh, journat, 397 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: I guess I gotta count these poppy seeds. Yeah yeah, 398 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: counting affliction is by far my favorite. Yeah. That is pretty, 399 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: that's pretty great. That's pretty. We have to use that 400 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: in some story I write or something. I really hope 401 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: that that's where we got the count of sesame Street 402 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: fame rather than it just being a pun on Count Dracula. 403 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: Oh I hope so too. Sesame Street can get pretty deep. 404 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: I would believe it. Yeah, somebody called, somebody called the 405 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: Henson Studios. Let's figure this out, Yes, we've got to 406 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: And and I shared out uh final notes on this 407 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: vampire rabbit hole. I shot a picture that I found 408 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: with the Savor team Lauren, Andrew and Dylan Uh. And 409 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: it gave me such joy. And it was a book 410 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: cover of a vampire that I feel like was supposed 411 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: to be sexy, but it really didn't. It really fell flat, 412 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: but in a way that was wonderful and glorious, and 413 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: I pretty glorious. Yes, yes, yes, yes, all right, moving 414 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: on from vampires, legend goes that in King Yawn the Third, 415 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: Sobieski's royal baker whipped up this huge mac of yettes 416 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: complete somehow with the representation of the queen's likeness. I 417 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: call for a long time about how that could be true, 418 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: and I worked into the dough maybe or or a 419 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: design in poppy seeds. Sure, okay, sure. Another Polish King, 420 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: Sanaslav August Ponatowski, allegedly once received a huge one of 421 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: these things as a gift or this Again, according to 422 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: Cultured up Yale, I couldn't really verify that anywhere else, 423 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: and other places had similar stories but with different food items. 424 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: So mysteries history. Swiss physician Paracelsus, sometimes dubbed as the 425 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: father of toxicology, often gets credit for coming up with 426 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: a poppy seed beverage that was made up of alcohol, 427 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: water and opium in the sixteenth century. It was called laudanum, 428 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: and it was widespread throughout Europe and America up until 429 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, even ending up in several medicinal patents. 430 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't until the early twentieth century when scientists started 431 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: to question the safety of opium and federal regulations were 432 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: enacted around the manufacture of it. That that went away. 433 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: During rampant opium trade during the eighteenth and nineteenth century, 434 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: British colonists demanded Bengali farmers use any suitable land for 435 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 1: cultivating poppies. The seeds were byproducts that were then added 436 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: into Bengalic cuisine. Ah. Yeah, and this persists in an 437 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: in curries and other dishes to this day. Um, and 438 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to add a note in here. While we're 439 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: talking about it UM. That Yeah, the British UM in 440 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: British East India company UM forced cultivation of opium poppies 441 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: in India for the production of drugs for centuries and 442 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: then exported this drug to China primarily in the seventeen 443 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: and eighteen hundreds, specifically like to create addiction in the 444 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: Chinese population, and then based on that trade, made quite 445 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: a lot of money on the balance as they bought 446 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: up Chinese goods with their opium profits. UM. And this 447 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: was just an all around terrible thing UM that it 448 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: took over a century of really hard work from within 449 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: the Chinese government and culture to even begin to ameliorate UM. 450 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: And it also created a market for this exotic drug 451 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: back in England, especially towards the end of the eighteen hundreds, 452 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: which is where we get a lot of cultural references 453 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: from a to to opium and laudanum and products like 454 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: that in UM media like Sherlock Holmes and The Wizard 455 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: of Oz and arguably Lewis Carroll mm hmm. Okay. And 456 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: here's another non food related sidebar. The common poppy. A 457 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: red poppy became a symbol during World War One and 458 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: is to this day associated with that war, because red 459 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: poppies can survive buried in the earth for up to 460 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: eighty years and still bloom when exposed to sunlight. When 461 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: they do bloom, it can be the stunning beautiful display 462 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: uh and this happened to a Europe devastated by war. 463 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: The poppies would often grow near mass cemeteries where the 464 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: earth the dirt had been disturbed. After Canadian doctor John 465 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: McCrae witnessed this in nineteen fifteen, he wrote the poem 466 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: in Flanders Field. In Flanders Fields, the poppies blow between 467 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: the crosses row on row. This poem became the most 468 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: well known World War One poem in the UK and 469 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: the US. After its publication, the Allies adopted the red 470 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: poppy as a recruitment tool. It appeared on army posters 471 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: and on materials encouraging people to buy war bonds. They 472 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: were a part of ceremonies honoring the casualties of the war. 473 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: Lines from the poem were briefly printed on the Canadian 474 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: ten dollar bill in nineteen eighteen. Closely after the armistice, 475 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: an American woman named Moyna Michael promised she would wear 476 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: a red poppy every day for the rest of her life. 477 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: She also gave out red silk poppies, and these actions 478 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: inspired Allied organizations to sell red poppies to raise funds 479 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: for victims of the war. To this day, folks in 480 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: the Commonwealth might wear red poppies on Remembrance Day to 481 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: honor the casualties of both World War One and World 482 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: War Two. And I'm so glad that you that you 483 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: uh talked about that, because I've I've been wondering about 484 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: the red poppy thing forever. And there you go, Yeah, 485 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: there you go. In nineteen sixty one, the United Nations 486 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs laid out the rules for 487 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: the legal cultivation of opium poppies, largely around securing and 488 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: monitoring operating poppy farms. Uh. Yeah, it's it's really discouraged 489 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: to grow opium poppies in the United States. Um. It's 490 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: part of what makes the international drug trade of opium 491 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: products such a powerful and dangerous thing. Um In Michael Pollen, 492 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: the food writer, you know, like eat food, mostly plants, 493 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: not too much that guy. Um, he wrote this whole 494 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: piece about the garden cultivation of opium poppies in the 495 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: United States and how the d e A, the Drug 496 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: Enforcement Agency, has quietly been trying to discourage garden companies 497 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: from selling opium poppy at all. The plant minus the 498 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: seeds is listed as a schedule to drug, which means 499 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: that they can technically the d e A can technically 500 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: press charges against anyone growing any amount of it. So 501 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: there you go. There you go. Wow, we really we 502 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: really covered some far reto topics in this one. Gosh. 503 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, um, I mean still a delicious component of 504 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: everything bagels, which are kind of the best kind. So 505 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: it's true. I have a very little amount of that 506 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: seasoning left. Oh yeah yeah, and I'm trying to figure 507 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: out what I'm going to do with it in honor 508 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: of this episode. Gosh, I like, I definitely was like, 509 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: you take that vial of that thing, because if I 510 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: have it at home, I will just like eat handfuls 511 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: of it and nobody needs that, I think. I when 512 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: I when we got that gift box, I took a 513 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: picture of it and posted it somewhere, and one of 514 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: my good friends immediately was like, oh my gosh, I 515 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: love that season. That's when I realized that maybe people 516 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: really dug the trader Joe's everything, bagel seasoning. It's an 517 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: it's an intense thing that people have a lot of 518 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: feelings about. Well, we appreciate that over on, we do. 519 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 1: If you guys have never noticed, we appreciate intense feelings. Yes, yes, 520 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: and particularly you when it comes to bagels. Yes, I 521 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: understand that is a that is a food fight I 522 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: would not want to get into. No, no, oh my goodness. 523 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: Although yeah, yeah, speaking of food fights, are are that 524 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: that we we mentioned? Oh gosh a number of weeks 525 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: and or months. I don't know what time means anymore. Ago, Um, 526 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: we mentioned that we had been on Richard Blaze's new podcast, 527 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: UM food Court with Richard Blaze, and um that we 528 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 1: battle old out the topic of cake versus Pie. Somehow 529 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: we're still friends. Yes, I think that battle will live 530 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: on an infamy. I think it's legends will be written about. 531 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: It is certainly living on in Uh you know whatever 532 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: your favorite podcast player is right now, because that episode 533 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: went live? Was it only last week? Again? Time doesn't 534 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: mean anything to me anymore? So uh so, yeah, but 535 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: it's it's out. If you search for Food Court with 536 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 1: Richard Blaze, UM, or for Cake versus Pie or look 537 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: on our social media channels you can you can find 538 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: that one. I still haven't listened to it because I'm terrified. 539 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: Oh it's really fine. That's good. That's good. Yeah. I 540 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: I can now say that Richard Blaze has said I 541 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: am perhaps a little too prepared, and I'm going to 542 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: wear that as a badge of honor for the rest 543 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: of my day. Can never be too prepared when it 544 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 1: comes to pie. I would also say that if someone 545 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: who's like famous because of his love for molecular astronomy, 546 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: if that dude says that you're too prepared, Um, it's 547 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: a it's a special honor. You should wear it as 548 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 1: a as a badge of of pride. Oh, I definitely will. 549 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna like get it printed on something or I 550 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,439 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm gonna update my business cards. Uh. Yeah. 551 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: If there's ever a book written about you, I hope 552 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: that's one of the like the like quotes on the cover, 553 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: perhaps a little too prepared. I like it. I like it, 554 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: but yeah, totally check it out. It is really fun. 555 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: Um and Lauren and I got there. I think you 556 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: can see our particular because you went into the science 557 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: and I kind of went into the history. It was 558 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: very fun. Yeah, go check that out, um, and we 559 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: do have some more for you in this episode. We do, 560 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: but first we've got one more quick break for a 561 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:14,399 Speaker 1: word for a sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, 562 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: thank you, And we're back with its like pretty flowers, 563 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: they are very pretty. They are gorgeous, Molly wrote, I'm 564 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: writing in to share a bit about egg tapping, or 565 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: as my family calls it, egg smashing. We are of 566 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: German descent, but we have had smashing tournaments for as 567 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: long as I can remember. My mom's side of the 568 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: family participates in a March Madness level egg smashing tournament 569 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 1: each Okay, I love this. Yeah, there's an art to smashing, 570 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: because you want to be forceful enough to crack the 571 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: end of the opponent's egg, but gently enough not to 572 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: crack your own egg. Once your egg is cracked on 573 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: both ends, you're out of the running. When I was 574 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,320 Speaker 1: about six or so, my oldest sister and my cousin 575 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: were in a dead heat to win, and we were 576 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: running out of hard boiled eggs fast as they are 577 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: immensely competitive even to this day. My cousin went on 578 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: the hunt. Yes, pun intended through my grandma's multiple fridges 579 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: to find more hard boiled eggs. He found what he 580 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: thought to be a green dyed egg in the second 581 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: fridge my grandma hardly ever used. My sister and cousin 582 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: wound up to smash and upon impact, a choking, rancid 583 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: odor emitted from the crash zone. Turns out my cousin 584 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: hadn't found a dyed egg, but our rotten egg. Oh no, 585 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: I will never forget the smell of that rotten egg. 586 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: Are the reddish colored ooze that tripped all over the carpet. 587 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: My grandma was less than impressed, as were the rest 588 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: of the family's noses. From then on, all eggs for 589 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: the tournaments were kept in a specifically marked cartons, and 590 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: my grandma finally cleaned out her fridge. Okay, so there's 591 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: so many things I love about this, the March madness bracket. Um. Also, 592 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know rotten eggs were a real thing. This 593 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: was yeah, I've I've never I've never witnessed one that 594 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: was that far gone myself. But oh yeah, I know, 595 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: like all of those sulfur compounds that are in eggs 596 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: will really ramp up and it's it's a whole thing. Man. See, 597 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: I I feel like when I have eggs, I just 598 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: never around that long. But I do have a friend 599 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: who went on a pretty long trip and when he 600 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: came back he had some eggs in the fridge and 601 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: had them and I just got this like random text 602 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,439 Speaker 1: from him and he said, so eggs can go bad, 603 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: and never question beyond that. What happened to that night 604 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: but wasn't good? Yeah, No, it's it's very um apparent 605 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: upon cracking open an egg that has gone off. That's 606 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: something poor has happened in your day? No, did okay? Yeah? 607 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. In other news, Kelly wrote, I just listened 608 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: to your Easter egg episode and was chuckling at the 609 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: end during listener mail at the story from the person 610 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: who was trying to make knuffles or niffles. The reason 611 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: why a Google search didn't turn up a recipe is 612 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: because the actual spelling is even weirder um and I'm 613 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: going to spell it for you k n o E 614 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: p f l E. If you google that, you will 615 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: see that they are in fact a type of spa cel. 616 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: So both the writer and her friend, we're right, All 617 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:54,439 Speaker 1: of these words are fantastic. Yeah, because that that looks 618 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: to me like nopeful. Um, it's like it's like what 619 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: Leslie Nope eats when she wants a waffle? Oh, nopeful. 620 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: See and there Parks and rec is coming back together 621 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: for reunion. Let's let's get in touch with them. I'm 622 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: sure they will run with this idea. Oh I hope 623 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: so that would be delightful. 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