1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Hello everybody, Nancy Grace. Here 2 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: we are on the lunch break and the Alex Murdock 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: double murder trial and the shooting deaths with his wife 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: Maggie and adult son Paul. Another bombshell day in the courtroom. 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: And I've got to tell you I love this woman, 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: Blanca Simpson. You know what, instead of me telling you 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: what she said, let's just listen to what she had 8 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: to say. Warning, put on your seatbelt, take a listen. 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: Hour cut seven. Maggie told me she had to go 10 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: to a doctor's appointment, and she said that in the text, 11 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: Maggie said, Alec wants me to come home, and she 12 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: said and in the phone conversation she told me, she said, 13 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: I left some food in the refrigerator. Is there any 14 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: way that you can cook? Paul likes the way you cook, 15 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: so she said, because I don't think i'll be back 16 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: in time. So I said, yeah, sure, I said, I'll 17 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: do it. We had another conversation on the phone where 18 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: she told me she said, Alec wants me to come home, 19 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: and she kind of sounded like she didn't want to 20 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: come home, and she because she really liked being an edisor. 21 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: She sounded like she was a little disappointed. And then 22 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: she said, well, Alec asked Paul to come home too, 23 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: because he's got to fix the mess up out there. 24 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Alec had told Paul to come and fix it because 25 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: they were planning on having a hunt that weekend. You 26 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: are hearing Bloga Simpson, who worked for the Murdogs. Now 27 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: something interesting, and we're leading you up to the good part. 28 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: Something interesting I picked out. And what she said right 29 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: there is that Maggie loved being in Ediston. Ediston is 30 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: there at Edisto Beach where Maggie was living, she was 31 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: not living with Murdog. And here we're hearing it again 32 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: that Alex Murdog asked her to come to Moselle. She 33 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: did not want to go. He lured her there, wait 34 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: for it, let's take let's do our cut. Eight. How 35 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: did you hear Alex called me? He called me early 36 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: the next morning. He u He sounded shaky on the phone. 37 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: He said, um be they're gone. They're gone. And that 38 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: my initial thog was did she go back to Ediston? 39 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: That Bob didn't cross my mind that he meant that 40 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: they were dead. And at that time you just didn't 41 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 1: comprehend it. I didn't note. So he told me again. 42 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: He said, no, be they're they're they're dead. And at 43 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: that point I don't remember because I believe I dropped 44 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: the phone. My husband got the phone. I don't remember 45 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: after that, dropped the phone. Yes, all I remember is 46 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: when he said that they were dead. I dropped the phone, 47 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 1: and I believe I said, I'll be right over. I'll 48 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: be right over. Blanca Simpson describing the moment when she's 49 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: on the phone with Alex Murdock and he tells her 50 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: that Maggie and Paul are quote gone and a shaky voice. 51 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: At first, she didn't even understand what he meant. She thought, well, 52 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: did Maggie go back home to Agisto Beach Ediston because 53 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: everyone knew they were living apart? And how she dropped 54 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: the phone her husband had to pick it up. When 55 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: she realized Maggie and Paul or dead. Now take a listen. 56 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: Paul and Maggie dead, Alex Murdog thinks to send Miss 57 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: Simpson out to Moselle to clean up. She cooks for them. 58 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: She cleans up their kitchen and their home and keeps 59 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: it running. Now, maybe I'm projecting. Okay, I am projecting. 60 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: But after my fiancee was murdered, the last thing I 61 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: was thinking about was somebody cleaning up his place. That's 62 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: crazy talk, who could do that? But that's where his 63 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: head was the very not even twenty four hours after 64 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: the murders. It was the next morning. Now. I want 65 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: you to hear what Miss Simpson says about it being 66 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: sent out to the hunting lodge Bozelle by Alex Murlog 67 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: to clean up. Take a listen to our cut night. 68 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: And then when I got ready to leave Almita, he said, well, 69 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: when you go to the house, go in the front 70 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of sled agents by the kennels. 71 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: You can't go in that way. And he said, just 72 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: try to straighten up the way. Maggie liked everything you 73 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: know in the house. He said, you knew her the best, 74 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: so I did. I went to that. He said there 75 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: was gonna be people probably stopping by and bringing food 76 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: and stuff. He said, I just want the house to 77 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: live the way Maggie would like for it to look. 78 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: It was hard because I know she wasn't going to 79 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: be coming back, and I didn't want to move. I 80 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: didn't want to move her stuff. Was just a weird 81 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: feeling going through when I walked. When I unlocked the 82 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: front door to get in, I felt cold. You're in 83 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: a game for her to you. I did. Okay, So 84 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: she gets there, what if anything does she find? Listen 85 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: to our cut tent. Her pajamas were laden neatly in 86 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: the middle of the doorway going into the laundry room. 87 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: It was her pajama pants, a pair of underwear, and 88 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: he her pajama top. Was that unusual and that was 89 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: very unusual. She wouldn't lay her clothes out like that, 90 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: not in the middle of the door like that. Underwear 91 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: there with the pajamas unusual. Yes, she didn't wear underwear 92 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: with her pajamas. I turned around and I said, well, 93 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: I want to wear The pops are in. The pots 94 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: were sitting inside the refrigerator with lids on them. That 95 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: was not normal for the pope, the whole pot to 96 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: be sitting in the fridge. In the master bathroom, her 97 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: clothes were sitting next to the time on the floor. 98 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: Next to the shower was a slight puddle of water, 99 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: a towel and a pair of khaki pants. And in 100 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: the closet was a white, damp towel on the floor. 101 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: It appeared that a T shirt had fallen off of 102 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: a stack of T shirts that were on top of 103 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: the shelf right there in the closet. It was leaaning 104 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: on the floor next to the towel. Man I could 105 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: take that testimony and dissect it all day long. First 106 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: of all, Maggie's pajama pants and a pair of underwear 107 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: and a PJ top folded up and laid neatly in 108 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: the middle of the doorway of the doorway going into 109 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: the launder room. Now we all know Maggie did not 110 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: stay there the night before and fold up her underwear 111 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,679 Speaker 1: and lie it on her pj's in the floor going 112 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: into the launder room. That did not happen. She was 113 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: not there the night before, So when did the pj's 114 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: in the underwear get laid there? It may sound like 115 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: nothing to someone that's not understanding what these facts mean. 116 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: It means the scene was staged. That's what it means. 117 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: Why And the only one left living that would have 118 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: done that is murdog So why why would he stage 119 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: as a scene? You all know where everything is in 120 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: your kitchen, right except my ninety one year old mother 121 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: comes in our kitchen at night and like rearranges things. 122 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: But I've even figured that out. I know where she 123 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: hides things. What I'm saying is when Blanca comes into 124 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: the kitchen, it was as if a stranger had put 125 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: away all the food. Number one, the food from dinner 126 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: the night before. Maggie would always leave it just sitting 127 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: out because you want to Blanka to clean it on 128 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: the day's Blanc was coming. So Maggie would never have 129 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: put stuff back in the fridge. The food wasn't eaten. 130 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: Remember when Murdoch said they all had a big dinner 131 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: or they were gonna have dinner. Then he took a nap. 132 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: Just just so much is happening here now? Who took 133 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: a shower and left out water on the floor, a 134 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: wet towel and a pair of khaki pants. Guys, this 135 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: is what I'm building up to. Has the mystery of 136 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: Alex and Murdog's missing clothes been solved? Take a listen 137 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: to our cut eleven after June seven, twenty twenty one. 138 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: Did you ever see that shirt again? No, sir, there 139 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: was like a pink, one, white one, a baby blue 140 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: in the closet. I do not remember that shirt and 141 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: being in there. And on June eighth of twenty twenty one, 142 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: in the morning hours, when you came back over, there 143 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: was that shrift there, No, sir. Were these shoes that 144 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: you saw holf slippers? Were those there? No, sir. Did 145 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: you ever see those house shoes again? No, sir? And 146 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: where did he usually keep them in the closet? Did 147 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: you hear that? I hear. All the guests are in place, 148 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: having just come out of the courthouse. But I want 149 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: you to hear. The last bit of this has the 150 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: mystery surrounding Alex Murlock's missing clothes, clothes he was wearing, 151 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: we believe at the time of the double murders been solved. 152 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut twelve. But during the 153 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: month of August, do you remember him having a conversation 154 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: with you about a shirt, Yes, sir. Did you find 155 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: that to be unusual? Yes, sir. He said, be I 156 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: need to talk to you. And he said, come here 157 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: and sit down. And he was pacing back and forth 158 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: in the in the living room, and he said, I 159 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: got a bad feeling. He said, I got a bad feeling. 160 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: He said, something's not right. And then he said, he said, well, 161 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: you know there's a video. You remember the shirt I 162 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: was wearing that Vinny Vine's shirt. Those were That's what 163 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: he said to me. And in my mind I was saying, 164 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: I don't remember Vinny Vine's shirt. It was the polo shirt, 165 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: but I didn't mention. He said, well, you know what 166 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: I was wearing that shirt. I was kinda thrown back 167 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: because I don't remember that. I don't remember him wearing 168 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: that shirt that day when he left. I know what 169 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: shirt he was wearing because I fixed the collar. I 170 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: was basically confused. I didn't really know whether he was 171 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: trying to get me to say that that shirt if 172 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: I was to be asked, then if I was a 173 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: shirt he was wearing. The day Time stories with Nancy Grace, 174 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: did the housekeeper wash the khaki pants Marnag was wearing 175 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: the Knight of the Double Murders after he left them 176 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: by the shower and changed into shorts, and apparently she 177 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: never saw the shirt or the shoes from that evening again, 178 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: they disappeared with me an all star panel to make 179 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: sense of what has just happened in the courtroom. First 180 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: of all, I'm going to go to Eric Bland, this 181 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: is the lawyer for Glorias family. Gloria Saderfield was a 182 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: lovely woman who worked for the Murdochs for years and years. 183 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: She fell down the steps to her death. There was 184 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: a huge lawsuit surrounding that death, and Alex Murdock pocketed 185 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: millions of dollars meant for her family until the truth 186 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: came out. Eric Bland, did you hear what miss Blanca 187 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: had to say? I did, Nancy, thanks for having me 188 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: on the show. What we've seen in the past two 189 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: days is a murder in the courtroom. Alex was murdered 190 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: by Ronnie Crosby, his best friend Chris Wilson, his paralegal, 191 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: a neck Griswold, and today Bianco, I think what we 192 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: saw is the explanation of what happened and what Alex 193 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: tries to do. Nancy is draft those closest to him 194 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: to give him the explanations and alibis that he needed 195 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: to try to get out of this murder and they 196 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: weren't playing baseball. Bianca just laid it out and said 197 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: he laid out those khakis. She ended up washing them. 198 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: You could tell that he left the house in haste 199 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: after he showered, probably after the murders. That's why the 200 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: tale was on the floor. He put the food back 201 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: in the refrigerator. I know, harp Putley and suggests that 202 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: it was done by lawyers, But you hit the nail 203 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: on the head, Nancy. There isn't male lawyers in the 204 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: world that would have touched Maggie's underwear and pajamas then 205 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: laid him out that way. The only person that could 206 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: have done that is Alex Murdock. You know what, I'm 207 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: glad you said that because her pajamas and her undies. 208 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: Who else would have done that beside miss Simpson Blanca 209 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: or Alex Murdog Paul Murdo, the sun is not going 210 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: to go in there and fold up his mother's underwear. 211 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: That's not happening. None of those law lawyers would touch 212 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: touch her clothes with a ten foot poll. It was 213 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: the word dog, which leads me to the why. You know, 214 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm just really curious about how the jury is reacting 215 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: to all of this. So let me ask you another 216 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: thing while i've got you, Eric Bland, what's the word 217 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: in the courthouse, Because you know, in the courthouse, people 218 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: walking up and down the halls, even they know what's 219 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: going on. What's the word. The word is that the 220 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: defense really in the past two days has since that 221 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: there's a seismic shift and change. When my client Tony 222 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: Sadderfield testified, you saw how insistent Dick Harpoolian was to 223 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: try to exclude his testimony, and then when the judge 224 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: overruled that, he said, we'll stipulate to it. I'm telling you, Nancy, 225 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: that there were three jurors that looked at me after 226 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: it came out that he stole four point three million 227 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: dollars the Sadderfield's money. They looked over at me and 228 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: they shook their head. Now, whether all twelve jurors think 229 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: that Alex is a miscreant, there is a significant portion 230 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: on that jury and everybody accepted defense sycophants. See exactly 231 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: what Alex Murdole is one. He's a guy that has 232 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: no loyalty to his friends. He's a guy that steals 233 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: from his client's family and friends and law partners. And 234 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: he's a guy that lies to his family, friends and 235 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: law partners. Now, whether all that can translates into murder, 236 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to wait and see. But this guy 237 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: had a bad week Nancy Eric Bland. Do you know 238 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: he just made tears come to my eyes when you 239 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: said four point three million dollars. Not that I'm crying 240 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: for the desire of money, but I was thinking about 241 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: the Sadderfield family. Do you know how hard my parents 242 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: work to help me and my brother and my sister 243 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: get through college and get through law school and the 244 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: whole thing. My dad working for the railroad, my mom 245 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: working at a canning plant for Pete. Say four point 246 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: three million dollars to the Satterfield family. Oh, I'm gonna 247 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: leave you with this fact. I'm gonna leave you with 248 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: this fact. This will tell you what kind of monster 249 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: Alex Murdole is. After he got that money and it 250 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: was in his pocket. Gloria's son, Brian Harriot, who was 251 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: the vulnerable adult that Tony talked about, was living in 252 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: her in his mother's trailer. The bag four closed on 253 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: that trailer and sent papers to Alex Murdole. He knew 254 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: the kid was getting the trailer foe closed on. He 255 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: didn't spend a dime and give the kids any money 256 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: to keep the trailer, and Brian Harriet was pushed out 257 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: on the street and then had to go live with relatives. 258 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: He sat by with the money in his pocket and 259 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: let that mobile home be foreclosed on. He's a monster, guys. 260 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: I gotta get my mind off of what happened to 261 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: the Satterfield family and try to think about the trial 262 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: strategy that is being employed in this courtroom and joining 263 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: me right now, and I can see her on the screen. 264 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: My producer, Kelly Scan, senior producer at Fox Nation. Kelly, 265 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: tell me everything. Don't leave anything out. I mean, Nancy 266 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: talk about a bombshell day and you stated it perfectly. 267 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: Put your seatbelt on. Eagle eyed viewers have been waiting 268 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: for Blanca since his testimony, and now we know why. 269 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: One we learned that Alec Murdoch possibly took a shower 270 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: the night of the murders too. The clothes he was 271 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: seen leaving the house in that day and the clothes 272 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: he has seen in the snapchat video were never found 273 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: again except for the khaki pants, which she says she washed, 274 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: and three d after the murders, she found Maggie Murdoch's 275 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: wedding ring in her Mercedes. You cannot understate what a 276 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: big day today was for the prosecution and what a 277 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: blow today was for the defense. At one point they 278 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: even tried to declare a mistrial and the judge she 279 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: said absolutely not. They didn't want any kind of testimony 280 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: regarding money issues involved, and they lost that there will 281 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: not be a mistrial. So the grounds for the emotion 282 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: for the mistrial was about the financial misdeeds. So the 283 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: prosecution wanted to question Blanca Simpson on a conversation that 284 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: she had with Maggie Murdoch. Maggie was saying that she 285 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: was concerned about this thirty million dollar lawsuit, and the 286 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: defense did not want this admitted into evidence. Guys, they're 287 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: going to be many many motions for mistrial throughout this trial. 288 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: That does not mean that they are really worth the 289 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: salt that goes in their bread. Very often the defense, 290 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: because the state typically doesn't move for a mistrial. The 291 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: state doesn't want a mistrial because I have to do 292 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: it all over again. The defense will move for a 293 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: mistrial because it may break the flow of what the 294 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: prosecutor or the witness is doing. It stops everything and 295 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: there's always a chance, to Judge Mike Grant it so 296 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: they get to start all over again, which is always 297 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: a benefit to the defense, not the state. But I 298 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: see where the defense where Hartpoolian is going. He doesn't 299 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: want this child to be about all the financial misdeeds. 300 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: And when I call it financial misdeeds, that is certainly 301 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: putting perfume on the pig. That is a euphemism. I mean, 302 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: this guy outright stole millions and millions of dollars. Now, 303 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, I want to go back to the wedding 304 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: band issue, especially with Kelly's skin and doctor Bethany Marshall. 305 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: But first, doctor Bethany, I want to talk to you 306 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: about something again. I know I'm projecting, and this may 307 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: not be true for every tangential victim of murder, But 308 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: when my fiance was murdered shortly before our wedding, the 309 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: last thing I was thinking about was taking a shower, 310 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: or changing clothes or cleaning the house. I didn't care 311 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: if it all burned up, it went straight to hub l. 312 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: Nothing mattered much less. I mean that was before I 313 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: had children. I mean, who is thinking about a wardrobe 314 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 1: change and straightening up the kitchen and putting away some 315 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: food into the friend? Who would think about that when 316 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: your child is dead? Nancy? Remember Jeanie and Annette, the 317 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: CFO of the law firm, and Annette, his paralegal. They 318 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: always they testified that Alex Murdoch would always turn into 319 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: the Tasmanian devil just as he was about to commit 320 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 1: some misdeeds so as to throw everyone off track. So 321 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: when I listened to Miss Blanca Simpson's testimony, I thought, 322 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: you know, she was so credible. She loved this family, 323 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: She would have done anything for them. She knew every 324 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: item of clothing, where everything was placed in the house, 325 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: she knew their habits, she knew their personalities. And what 326 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: I thought was that she had the carefully constructed world 327 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: with Maggie and then Alex Murdoch. The night of the 328 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: murders and the morning after was like the Tasmanian devil. 329 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no rhyme or reason. Why would he 330 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: put the pajamas with the clean underwear on the floor 331 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: in the doorway. That's a Tasmanian devil move. Why would 332 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: he take a shower? Why would he you know, it 333 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: just always it was a little crazy. I was trying 334 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: to make sense of this testimony, and it leaves me 335 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: at bethany hold On, I can shed a little bit 336 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: a lot on why he would want to take a shower, 337 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: and of course you're dealing from the emotional end because 338 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: you have all those um rich clients. Doctor Bethany, he's 339 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: joining me. She's a high profile psycho analyst in Beverly 340 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: Hills Smack dab on DAO drive. But we'll circle back 341 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: to that in a moment. I'll tell you why to 342 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: get rid of evidence. Joining me, Bill Daily, former FBI investigator, 343 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: forensic photography security expert. Think of all that gunstart residue 344 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: and blood spatter that went right down the drain. Yeah, 345 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, opportunity to loss. But you know, a certainly, 346 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: as you talk about here, some really compelling moments about 347 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: this case so far as both certainly the testimony today 348 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: with Bianca, I mean, somebody was really felt part of 349 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: the family. They answer the question she felt part of 350 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: the family. So whatever you had to say really has 351 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: to resonate well with the jury fact that she was 352 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: in part of the family. The other things that strike 353 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: me and I think two real other compelling elements to 354 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: this case, which I hope will drive the jury to 355 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: understand what really happened that day. You know, One was 356 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: the fact that there's the video, the video that his 357 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: son Paul took when now we have testimony both by 358 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: Bianca and other people that the voice on that video 359 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: was the three of them, was his wife, was Alice, 360 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: was his son all moments moments before they were found dead, 361 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: and also at the time when he said he wasn't there. 362 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: Is that the last time he saw them was at dinner, 363 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: So we have a big disconnect there. The other on 364 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: the forensic side is the collection of this kind of 365 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: supposed your raincoat and tarp found at his mother's house. 366 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: He went to his mother's house at some point after 367 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 1: the murders and they found inside inside the lining of 368 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: the raincoat gunpowder residue. Now, how why would that be 369 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: unless you wrapped a gun around that coat, unless you 370 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: did something else they caused it to be inside a raincoat, 371 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: It wouldn't be normally inside the raincoat. And there's some 372 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: testimony there regarding the time he spent at his mother's house, 373 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: what was left there, and now what police have found. 374 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: So I think there's some other even though people saying 375 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: it's more circumstantial to me, there's a bit of forensic 376 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: evidence entering into this which really certainly can drive that compass. 377 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: You know, towards the jury. Towards the jury, to think 378 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: twice about all the other testimony. They are about britty 379 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: to hear, probably from the defense. Guys. You're hearing our 380 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: friend Bill dli former FBI investigator and forensic photography expert, 381 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: a security expert, as well. Doctor Michelle dupre I think 382 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: that was you jumping in and please do so. Pathologist, 383 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: medical examiner, former detective. And this says it all. Author 384 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: of the Homicide Investigation Field Guide, which I love. Doctor 385 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: Dupree way in on Murdog, and I'm not talking about 386 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: the emotional aspect of taking a shower. I'm talking about forensically, 387 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: what is the significance of Murdog taking a shower after 388 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: the double murders. Well, Nancy, obviously that is to get 389 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: rid of some evidence. But one of the things I 390 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: just I feel compelled to say is that we keep 391 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: talking about all of this blood spatter that should be 392 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: on Murdoch and his clothes. And yes, there should be some, 393 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: but remember most of this bloody blood spatter is going 394 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: to be forward the crime scene, on the victims. There 395 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: should be some one Murdo, but not you know, he 396 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: shouldn't be covered in blood as people have said, I 397 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: think it would be well worth the prosecution to do 398 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: a simulation how much blood spatter or back spatter would 399 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: actually appear on someone shooting with these two different guns, 400 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: and it would not be a massively bloody scene. There 401 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: would be minute specks. There may be some other blood 402 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: spatter there, but it may not be readily visible to 403 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: a housekeeper who's simply picking up laundry and tossing it 404 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: in the laundromat. Christine running out in New York control room. 405 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: Christine again, you know what I want to see that 406 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: two shot, the before and after wardrobe change, because I'm 407 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: pretty sure based on what he was wearing, there should 408 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: have been blood spatter. Yeah, at least on the bottom 409 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: the shirt tail in front, there should have at least 410 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: been blood spatter on that, and since he was using 411 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: a long gun, may be around the chest or the 412 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: armpit area around the sleeve. Guys, earlier, you heard Kelly Skin, 413 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: our Foxation producer, talking about Maggie's wedding band. Christie, if 414 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: you could please play cut thirteen about that. In addition 415 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: to cleaning the house, did you ever look at Maggie's 416 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: Mercedes to try to clean it afterwards, I did, what 417 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: if you? Thank you fine? But she still had paint 418 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: for the edisto house pillows. As she was going to return, 419 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: and as I moved the seat to clean to vacuum 420 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: underneath the driver's side seat, I found her ring her 421 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: wedding band and leading up to the murders. Was she 422 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: anxious about anything? She was concerned about the amount of 423 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: money that they were requesting on the lawsuit. Thirty million 424 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: is what she told me. She said she knew the 425 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: amount of money that they were asking, but she felt 426 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: that Alec was not being truthful to her with regard 427 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: to what exactly was going on with that lawsuit. She said, 428 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: he doesn't tell me everything. Okay. Eric Bland joining us, 429 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: high profile lawyer representing the glorious Satterfield family. Look, there 430 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: are plenty of women on that jury, and they know 431 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: what it means when you take off your wedding band. Yes, 432 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: they do, Nancy. I think what we have seen is 433 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: not one single piece of explosive evidence, but a mosaic 434 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: that now is turning into a picture. In the totality 435 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: of what the state is putting forward regarding Alex and 436 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: Maggie and what existed. It didn't exist in their life 437 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: at that time. I think now we see why Alex 438 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: may have decided to take that ultimate decision in taking 439 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: the life of his wife and his son. Murder isn't perfect, 440 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: you know more than anybody. You've prosecuted more murder cases. 441 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes a decision that a murderer makes in his mind's 442 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: a perfect decision. It makes perfect sense why I decided 443 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: to take my wife and my son to us. The 444 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: other people, we would say, really, that's the reason you 445 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: decided to do it, and that's the reason why, Nancy, 446 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: motive isn't an element of murder. It's an element. It 447 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: can prove malice, but it's not an element of murder 448 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: because somebody's decision making process can be flawed. Alex is 449 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: a sociopath. The decision that he chose to murder his 450 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: wife and son were based on his own reasoning, not logic, Nancy. 451 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: If I could add to this, remember there was a 452 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: confluence the other events. There was a perfect storm on 453 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: July seventh, that is that the voting accident trial was 454 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: going to be the next day. He found out after 455 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: Genie the CFO, confronted him that his dad was going 456 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: into the hospit Biddle. He then lures Maggie and Paul 457 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: to Mozelle and I think that this could have been 458 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: part of a homicide suicide scheme, and it's in his 459 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: mind that the ship was going down and he was 460 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: Did you just say you think this could have originally 461 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: been a homicide suicide plague? Because I can tell you 462 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: right now, Alex Thurnog loved himself. There's no way you'd 463 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: ever kill himself. Hey, that is not happened. There's a 464 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: suicide for hire just a couple of months later. Yeah, 465 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: are you still buying into that BS technical legal term? 466 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: Come on, bland, bland, bland. I know one thing about 467 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: that man, because she had gun, and if he missed 468 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: Murdoch the first time, he would have gotten in the 469 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: second time. That was not I don't care what anybody says. 470 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: That's not real. Nancy. We know how to kill Dan. Here. 471 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: We're going to pull out a gun, We're gonna shoot. 472 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: What that was on the side of the road was 473 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: a diversion. Alex wanted to take the law enforcement eyes 474 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: off of him, so he faked a shooting so that 475 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: he could say, you see, there's people out there that 476 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: are trying to kill my family. Well, if that's what 477 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: he believed, then the day after those murders, he would 478 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: have gathered up his son Buster, his brothers Randolph and 479 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: John Marvin, then gone to law enforcement instead protect us. 480 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: But he let Buster walk to seat the streets of Columbia, 481 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: South Carolina because he knew he wasn't in danger because 482 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: he knows who the killer is. Keilly ski in joining 483 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: me our producer, my producer on Fox Nation Kill. I 484 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: haven't actually seen somebody shoot a bird in the courtroom, 485 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: says Jodi Arius shot one at me during her trial. 486 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: Oh the good times. But I understand there's some bird 487 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: action going on in the courtroom. What happened so for 488 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: the past two days is Alec Murdock's defense team has 489 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: had Buster Murdoch stand up in the courtroom so the 490 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: jury can see him. And that is because Buster Murdoch 491 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: has been moved farther back behind his dad for alleged 492 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: misdeeds within the courtroom. We are hearing that Buster Murdoch 493 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: lipped Mark Tinsley the bird during an in camera hearing. 494 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: There is footage of this. Some are arguing he was 495 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: biting his nail. It's an interesting nail to bite if 496 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: you asked me. But the Murdoch family has been asked 497 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: to move back. We also heard that Buster Murdoch passed 498 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: one of Alex Paralegal's, a John Grisham novel, and that 499 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: is another reason why they were pushed back, because that 500 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: is contravant. You cannot pass Alec Murdoch things in court. Okay, Kelly. 501 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: Every time I would go in the courthouse, of course, 502 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: I would adhere to all the rules and not try 503 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: to sneakily break any rules, including not pathetic, old fitbit, 504 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: no cell phone, nothing. But I did see the Murdoch 505 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: relatives breaking all the rules, wearing Apple watches that you 506 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: can take pictures and syntexts with drinking stuff. I see 507 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: Murdog eating things. Who cares? But my point is is 508 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: that why they were all moved to the back of 509 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: the courtroom because up until now they've been sitting front 510 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: and center right behind Murdog. Oh there he is eating again? 511 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: Does the man never stop? So why were the Murdog's 512 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: exiled to the back of the courtroom. It's been a 513 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: series of different things. One is the alleged bird two 514 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: with Buster Murdoch passed his data book through paralegal and three. 515 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: Alex Murdoch's sister also allegedly passed through something. So the 516 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: judge in this case said, and us enough, you guys, 517 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: you're moving back, and how can they keep it up? 518 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: They could be kicked out of the courtroom in general. 519 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: You know, I've been very curious and I'll throw this 520 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: to Eric Bland. Eric, a lot of viewers and listeners 521 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: have been asking me online why we are not following 522 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 1: the rule of sequestration in this case. What that means. 523 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: It's an outmoded word to sequester or keep apart. Witnesses 524 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: typically are kept out of the courtroom until after their 525 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: testimony is sometimes even then in case they're called on 526 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: redirect examination. You don't want their testimony to be shadowed, 527 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: to be painted or tainted in any way by hearing 528 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: somebody else's testimony, because you know, like Eric Bland just 529 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: says something, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what happened now 530 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: I remember it. No, you don't. You don't want that. 531 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: So what happened? Did nobody invoke the rule? Oh this 532 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: has been by design, Nancy. I've been allowed in the 533 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: courtroom and I'm on the witness list up until yesterday. 534 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: I was going to testify until Tony did such a 535 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: great job. The reason that Dick Carpudlian hasn't made emotion 536 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: to sequester of the witnesses is he wants the Murdalls 537 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: to be able to be seen behind the camera behind 538 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: Alex because it sends a message to the jury that 539 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: they support him. They're not sitting on the prosecution side. 540 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: Even though the prosecution is spending millions of dollars in 541 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: vindicating the deaths of Maggie and Paul. Diff does not 542 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: want them to be sequestered because they are witnesses for 543 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: the defense. So this is all by design. Yes, you're correct. 544 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: Normally every witness would have been sequestered. But can you 545 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: imagine what it would look like to the jury if 546 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: none of Alex's family was sitting behind him. So he 547 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: can't have them sit behind him and then ask that 548 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: every other witness be sequestered. This is like a Broadway play, Nancy, 549 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: It's been you know. I find it very offensive the 550 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: way Alex has behaved at the council table to be 551 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 1: able to eat, to be able to communicate with his family. 552 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: I think it sends a bad message because that courthouse 553 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: is the people's courthouse. It's not the Murdog courthouse. Not 554 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: just that, Not just that, Eric. He should be treated 555 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: no differently than any other defendant in the criminal courts, 556 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: regardless of their crime, their gender, their background, their race. 557 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: The Murdogs are not above the law. The last time 558 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: I looked Nancy when I argued that Alex should not 559 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: get bond and Judge Newman agreed with me for financial crimes, 560 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: first time in our state's history. I said, he needs 561 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: to drink from the same cup of justice that we 562 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: all do, and that's how the name of my podcast 563 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: came about. But Alex needs to drink from the same 564 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: cup of justice that every other criminal defendant does. He 565 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: should have come in the courtroom when you're charged with 566 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: murder in shackles, just like every other murder suspect does 567 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: in our state, unless there in front of the jury. 568 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: And then they doubt Nancy. This family had intergenerational wealth 569 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: and power. They wielded control over that state for generations. 570 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: Do you know that after the Mallory Beach death, after 571 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: she was ejected from the boat because Paul Murdoch was 572 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: boat driving drunk, do you know that Maggie was allowed 573 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 1: to the crime scene. She was allowed to go down 574 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: to the boat to see Paul, but Mallory Beach's mother 575 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: was sequestered behind tape, the yellow police tape, and was 576 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: not allowed to go see what had happened to her daughter. 577 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: This is the type of entitlement that this family has 578 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: that not only are they displaying in the courtroom, but 579 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: it seeped into the entire culture. Even the police culture 580 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: there allowed Maggie in but not Malory Beach's mother. So 581 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,720 Speaker 1: I think this sends a bad message to the jury. 582 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: I don't think they're seeing a loving family who's there 583 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: to support their father. I think they're seeing an entitled 584 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: braddy family who has been brainwashed by Alec Murdoch and 585 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 1: who is behaving badly in the courtroom, just like their 586 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: father behaved badly in society. I don't mind the message 587 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: of sending to the jury, but guys, I want to 588 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: follow up on what was just said about Malory Beach's mother, 589 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: her mother. I saw those cement pilings where Paul Murdoch 590 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: raced into them, throwing Malory Beach off the boat in 591 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: the middle of the night to her death. I spoke 592 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,720 Speaker 1: to the EMTs the boat patrol that went out searching 593 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: for her body every day and finally found this beautiful 594 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: teen girl bloated and dead from being in the water, 595 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 1: and her mother was not allowed down. Take a listen 596 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 1: to our cut five. After the boat crash, they had 597 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,879 Speaker 1: the law enforcement had cordoned off, had a rope up 598 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: or yellow flag, yellow taping up, and so miss Peach 599 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: wanted to go down to see where her daughter and 600 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 1: she wasn't allowed. Almost immediately thereafter, car pulled up driven 601 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: by Alex's father. Alex's wife, Maggie was in the front seat, 602 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: and they were waved down to the bridge, and that 603 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: caused her a great amount of distress. He ultimately hire 604 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: you to represent first that day I got involved. I 605 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: started to investigate, but I started to try to put 606 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: pressional law enforcement, which is you know, I'm drawing a 607 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: distinction there almost immediately because the concern was that it 608 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: was going to get covered up by the Beach family 609 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: and they didn't want that to happen. And there is 610 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: more no wonder that Buster Mardogue allegedly shot a bird 611 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: at Chancellor. You're seeing to Beasley on the stand. Take 612 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut four. There were a number 613 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: of reasons that I wanted the case in Beaufort. I 614 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: had substantial evidence, and so one of the things that 615 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: I discovered was is that Paul's girlfriend had tons of videos, 616 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: videos of alcohol, videos of Paul drinking in front of 617 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: his parents, videos of him grossly intoxicated. And so that 618 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: evidence I shared with Alex lawyers as well. Leading up 619 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: to it, I didn't share it. They didn't serve the 620 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: same discovery on me because they didn't want the other dependant, 621 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: Greg Parker's to have it at that time because they 622 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: were so entrenched in that there was some sort of 623 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: venue friendly lawsuit going on between Alec and myself, but 624 00:40:49,880 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: there wasn't time stories with Nancy Grace Kelly Skin joining us. 625 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: Do you believe that the jury is getting any let's 626 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:22,720 Speaker 1: just say, unwanted message by the way Murdoch is being 627 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: treated in the courtroom, by the way his family, extended 628 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: family has been treated in the core room, because I 629 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: really don't think they're paying any attention to that, but 630 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: maybe they are. You know, we've heard throughout this trial 631 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 1: that there are two systems of justice in South Carolina, 632 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,959 Speaker 1: one for normal people like you and me, and two 633 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: for people like Murdoch whose family has run that community 634 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 1: for generations. We don't know if any of these jurors 635 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: knew the Murdoch family or any of their acquaintances. I 636 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 1: can't really say if the Murdoch family being moved is 637 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 1: having an impact on the jury. I do know is 638 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: that Alex's defense attorneys definitely want Alex's family to be 639 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: seen by that jury as supporting Alec Murdoch. But on 640 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: that note, people who I have not seen in the 641 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: courtroom yet is Maggie's family. I have not seen them 642 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: sitting behind Alec Murdock one day of this trial, and 643 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,399 Speaker 1: that really hurts the state. That hurts either side when 644 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: the families you're trying to represent are not present. But 645 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there is a very strong reason for that. 646 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: You know another thing, and I want to throw out 647 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: to Bill Daily, former FBI investigator, forensic photography security expert. Bill, 648 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've testified in a lot of trials. Jury's 649 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: notice pretty much everything. It's really hard to get something 650 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: over on the jury. It is nancy, and even when 651 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: their objections in the court room, a lot obviously a 652 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,240 Speaker 1: lot of that resonates with those people in the jury. 653 00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: They hear what we said, they can't kind of distract 654 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 1: take that out of their recording of their mind. You know, 655 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: we talk about here about the family, the murder family, 656 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,839 Speaker 1: being so strong and powerful in their community. You know, 657 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: on one hand, certainly that's evident by some of these 658 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: kind of liberal kind of stances are able to get 659 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: away within the courtroom. But I think it will also 660 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: play into the defenses where they're going to say they 661 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: are so well known, they are so high profile, they 662 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: have so much money. Is that there are many people, 663 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 1: you know, who are envious every people people who get 664 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: to get them. Nonetheless, people who may have they have 665 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: been cross passed with in this uh in this courtroom 666 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: setting with regard to past grievances or financial issues. So 667 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: I think what they're going to try to do is 668 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,359 Speaker 1: pick this case apart. It's gonna be very difficult because 669 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: of my view, as they said before, extremely compelling. Having 670 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: sat actually myself on a criminal case, believe it or not, 671 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: years ago, I could tell you by listening to some 672 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,399 Speaker 1: of the what I'm hearing here will resonate very well 673 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 1: with the jury if they can remain impartial, if they're 674 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: not in any way, blinded by the kind of the 675 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 1: the bright light of the family and their extended family 676 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: in the community. Well, I can tell you this much. 677 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: They know darn well that the Murdoch family has now 678 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: picked up camp and moved to the back of the courtroom, 679 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 1: where nobody wants to be. I didn't want to be 680 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: in the back. I couldn't see a thing. I had 681 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 1: to get on the very front road possible behind the 682 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: Murdoch family and get all the way to the end 683 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: and look out into the aisle so I could see 684 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 1: what was going on. And so they are exiled to 685 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: the back. And I know the jury has noticed that. 686 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: They may come up with an entirely different reason why 687 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,839 Speaker 1: than we are, but I guarantee you they noticed it. Hey, 688 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:43,800 Speaker 1: Kelly Ski and did the housekeeper state I'm talking about 689 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: miss Blanca. Did she state that Maggie's wedding rings were 690 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: under the mat in the car? She did. She cleaned 691 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: Maggie Murdoch's Mercedes about a week after the murders and 692 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: found her wedding rings in that car. Now, since that testimony, 693 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,320 Speaker 1: I have looked back at Alec Murdoch's interviews with SLED 694 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 1: and I think it's very noteworthy that I also did 695 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: not see Alec Murdoch wearing a wedding band, so throughout 696 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: this trial at the defense, it's true, stole that from me. 697 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,800 Speaker 1: You totally start from me. You and I were sitting 698 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: there on day one together and I said, Murdock's not 699 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: wearing his wedding man, Kelly, And now you're spitting it 700 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: out on camera like it was your idea. But you 701 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: know what, go ahead and steal it. But I do 702 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: have something to tell you, Kelly Skim. They're not going 703 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: to hire you over at the New York Post to 704 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: write the banner the headline because to me, Kelly, it 705 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: please fight with me about it. The banner would be 706 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 1: Maggie Murdock puts her wedding rings under the floor mat 707 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: of the car. I mean, I'm gonna have to go 708 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,800 Speaker 1: to our shrink doctor, Bethany Marshall. And I mean that 709 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: in a loving carrying way, Bethany. But to put your 710 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: wedding ranting bings, I mean, I don't have any ring 711 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: to talk because I'm not wearing mine, but I am 712 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: wearing my husband's mother's ring. But under the floor Matt, 713 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: I mean, is that that's got to have some hidden 714 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,280 Speaker 1: meaning under the where you put your feet your wedding 715 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: rings or where you put your feet, Nancy. That was 716 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: a big so ouch to the defense and to Murdoch 717 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: when Miss Blanca said that that the wedding ring is 718 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: under Maggie's floor, Matt and you know what that told 719 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: me is that Maggie has to have that ring somewhere 720 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: available to her when she's going to see her husband, 721 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: but when she's away from her husband, she doesn't want 722 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: to wear it. So she's taking the ring on and 723 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: off like a prop. And then my mind went to 724 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 1: as a psychoanalyst, is their domestic violence in the relationship? 725 00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: Is there antipathy? And is there there's some kind of 726 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: abuse where if she shows up without that wedding ring, 727 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: she's going to get in trouble. But when she's away 728 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 1: from man, she doesn't want to wear it. That's what 729 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: I thought to me and back go ahead, and I 730 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,880 Speaker 1: felt that she my tape taking our for wedding bands 731 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: and this is the woman that always wore her wedding 732 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,760 Speaker 1: bands and her rings she took so this is unusual 733 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: for her. For me, it's not for her, it is 734 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 1: And then to put them down on the floor under 735 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 1: your feet. I mean, I'm certainly not a shrink like 736 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: you are. But to me, that tells me she doesn't 737 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: give a flying fig about wearing her wedding bands or 738 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: being known as being married tomorrow. It was over, and 739 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because even with all their money, 740 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:54,760 Speaker 1: murdog was bouncing checks. Take a listen to our cut 741 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 1: three August six, twenty twenty one. What the balance was 742 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 1: the defendants account for how mothers take bank? On August six, 743 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, the balance was a negative three hundred 744 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,240 Speaker 1: forty seven thousand, seven hundred eighty four dollars sixty seven cents. 745 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: Had the bank continued paying expenses for Alec Murdoch from 746 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 1: June seventh to this date, to the tune of three 747 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: hundred and forty seven thousand dollars in money he did 748 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 1: not have? Correct? What is that right there? Overdraft charge? 749 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: How much does he ever draft charge? Five dollars five dollars? 750 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,439 Speaker 1: Is that typical policy for a bank to pay overdrafts 751 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,800 Speaker 1: over the course of a month for three hundred and 752 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: forty seven thousand dollars? No certain? Eric Bland helped me out. 753 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: Why is it that rich people I just had their 754 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:06,520 Speaker 1: money three hundred and forty seven thousand dollars overdraft. I mean, 755 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,880 Speaker 1: if I go one minute over my credit card, I 756 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: started getting text and emails from the credit card company, 757 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,440 Speaker 1: and I mean, there's no way in h double l 758 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: that a bank is going to carry you to the 759 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 1: tune of three hundred and forty seven thousand dollars. I 760 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 1: subpoenaed and got those records early on in my litigation 761 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: against Alex Nancy, and it is the most generous overdraft 762 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,719 Speaker 1: policy in the history of banking. Not only does he 763 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 1: get to overdraft to the tune of three hundred thousand dollars, 764 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 1: but he gets to get loans in advance of any paperwork. 765 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,959 Speaker 1: Where do you get money? And then the bank says 766 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,480 Speaker 1: to you four weeks later, let's come on in and 767 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: document the money I gave you four weeks before. But 768 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 1: it's indicative of what actually happened at the crime scene. 769 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,320 Speaker 1: And I know, Nancy, that you have commandeered probably thirty 770 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: crime scenes. More. You are a prosecutor, and you never 771 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: would let a family member on the crime scene, five 772 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 1: lawyers and a best friend to sit there while a 773 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,560 Speaker 1: search warrant was being executed. I've seen on TV if 774 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 1: a spouse comes up to the yellow tape and they 775 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 1: tell him that his wife is murdered inside the house 776 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,400 Speaker 1: and he's trying to get in, they bear hug him 777 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,040 Speaker 1: and say, no, we're processing a crime scene. The rules 778 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 1: for the murdle are not the rules of the road 779 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,839 Speaker 1: for everybody else. They just aren't Nancy. Guys, I want 780 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: you to hear our cut one speaking of Gloria Sadderfield, 781 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: because I don't want she's not the victim in this 782 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,359 Speaker 1: murder case, but I want you to hear to how 783 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:48,319 Speaker 1: she was referred on that nine one one call. It's 784 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,719 Speaker 1: cut one. Chris said, guys, it's just remember as you're 785 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:56,840 Speaker 1: hearing this, Gloria Sadderfield had not been just a housekeeper, 786 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: which is enough for all of their states. But she 787 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:07,640 Speaker 1: helped raise these two boys. She helped raise them. Okay, 788 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,440 Speaker 1: listen to our cut one. What's going on there? My 789 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,040 Speaker 1: house keeper has fallen in her hand was bleeding. I 790 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 1: cannot get her up. How, I'm not sure where keep 791 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 1: talking from? She fell going up the steps, but the 792 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:32,359 Speaker 1: steps going contr No, not really, do you guys know here? Yeah? 793 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,920 Speaker 1: She works for she works for us she made ten 794 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,759 Speaker 1: dollars an hour, Nancy, they paid her ten dollars or 795 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:46,600 Speaker 1: works for us. She probably changed their diapers, washed their clothes, 796 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,760 Speaker 1: cleaned up their messes, drag them back and forth probably 797 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,239 Speaker 1: to whatever they had to go to. Uh, growing up? 798 00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,200 Speaker 1: And how was she described? Yeah, she works for us, 799 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:07,440 Speaker 1: I mean, just rubs me the wrong way. What about it, 800 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:12,680 Speaker 1: Kelly Skian? She works for us? Yeah, she works for us. 801 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,760 Speaker 1: And what we heard from Tony Saderfield on the stand 802 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: this week too, was that Alec Murdoch at the outset 803 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,040 Speaker 1: of this, told Tony that he would be able to 804 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,880 Speaker 1: get Tony and his brother a hundred thousand dollars. Alec 805 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,360 Speaker 1: Murdoch knew full well he was always going to be 806 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,120 Speaker 1: able to get those boys more than a hundred thousand dollars. 807 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,080 Speaker 1: He did, and they never saw a dime of it. 808 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 1: And I've actually been to Gloria Sadderfield's grave, and I 809 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 1: also want to point out that where she is buried 810 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 1: is much much different from where the Murdocks are buried, 811 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,680 Speaker 1: which just goes again to speak to this difference in 812 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,839 Speaker 1: levels of status. Her cemetery has a chain link fence 813 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,520 Speaker 1: around it. The Murdoch cemetery. Is this beautiful place surrounded 814 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,520 Speaker 1: by brick buildings, and Gloria Saderfield is buried somewhere surrounded 815 00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:01,200 Speaker 1: by a chain link fence. Hey, Kelly, just raycently. You 816 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,560 Speaker 1: were out looking and that's where we're headed when you 817 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:10,279 Speaker 1: and I are back together to Maggie and Paul's graves. 818 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,920 Speaker 1: The last time you looked, have they gotten a headstone? Yet? 819 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,480 Speaker 1: They still do not have a headstone. I was there 820 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,279 Speaker 1: about a year ago, checked it out again recently, and 821 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 1: no headstones, which is a little bit strange for this 822 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,719 Speaker 1: family that it's supposedly had tons and tons and tons 823 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,840 Speaker 1: of money. You would think that there would be a 824 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,719 Speaker 1: headstone for Paul and mag Okay, guys, I gotta tell 825 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 1: you something. I don't know that it's like this in 826 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: every region of our great country, but in the South, 827 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,160 Speaker 1: the first thing you try to do is to get 828 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:50,520 Speaker 1: the best you can afford. Anyway, a headstone for the 829 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:57,160 Speaker 1: person you loved that has gone on and who wouldn't 830 00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,440 Speaker 1: know about this, doctor Michelle Dupree. No, a headstone for 831 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul, Nancy. That's unbelievable. I mean, so much 832 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,200 Speaker 1: time has passed. It takes a month or so to 833 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,160 Speaker 1: get a headstone. But this is way too long, and 834 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,800 Speaker 1: a family of that stature, well respected in the community, 835 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,600 Speaker 1: someone that you love, your wife and your son, I 836 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 1: cannot imagine this. I wanted to say one other thing 837 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,000 Speaker 1: though about this family. Remember during the boat accident and 838 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,600 Speaker 1: Paul was Paul's booking picture is in his civilian clothes 839 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,480 Speaker 1: in the hallway. It isn't even a proper booking picture. 840 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,640 Speaker 1: And this just goes to more substantiate how differently this 841 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,000 Speaker 1: family was treated. Okay, hold on just a second. I 842 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 1: gotta tell Eric Blandside thing. Eric, My mother, Elizabeth, she 843 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,160 Speaker 1: just turned ninety one, lives with us, and she was 844 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:54,080 Speaker 1: in such bad health, couldn't see from an eye operation, 845 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 1: and she had me get in the car drive to 846 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,400 Speaker 1: our hometown of Making, Georgia at like five o'clock in 847 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,680 Speaker 1: the morning because she wanted me to take a video 848 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,600 Speaker 1: and a picture of my father's headstone and the flower 849 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,120 Speaker 1: arrangement we have there and bring it back to her 850 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 1: so she can look at it from her good eye 851 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,920 Speaker 1: and see if it met her approval. And since then, 852 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,360 Speaker 1: can I tell you how much money in time we 853 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,320 Speaker 1: spent getting his plot The way she wants it to 854 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,640 Speaker 1: look it's a sentimental thing. It doesn't matter what your 855 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 1: stature in the community is or how much money you 856 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,200 Speaker 1: have or don't have. It's out of respect for the 857 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,920 Speaker 1: person that you love that has gone on, and I 858 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,800 Speaker 1: just think it speaks volumes that they haven't they have 859 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,919 Speaker 1: taken so long to take care of that headstone. Yeah, 860 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to tack that from a different angle. I 861 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,840 Speaker 1: agree with everything that we've talked about this. I do 862 00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,799 Speaker 1: take a different tact on and that is, unfortunately, their 863 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:05,799 Speaker 1: grave area has become a sensational destination for people to come, 864 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,759 Speaker 1: and it may be that the family has decided that 865 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 1: they need for all of this to die down to 866 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,759 Speaker 1: actually put up headstones on that. I haven't given the 867 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,399 Speaker 1: family the benefit of doubt at all in three weeks 868 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,279 Speaker 1: during this trial, but I just may because I have 869 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,520 Speaker 1: heard that there are people that have tried to camp 870 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,120 Speaker 1: out and do stuff at the grave site. So I 871 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,000 Speaker 1: may understand a little bit and have a little bit 872 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,960 Speaker 1: of empathy that they may have delayed the marking of 873 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,080 Speaker 1: those graves. That's all I'm going to say on that, Nancy. 874 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,560 Speaker 1: I have a completely different perspective that in this crazy 875 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 1: wildly dysfunctional family, that Maggie and Paul were already being devalued, discredited, 876 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,759 Speaker 1: pushed out of the family, treated as if they had 877 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,719 Speaker 1: no value. Because perhaps Maggie was the one who was 878 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,040 Speaker 1: beginning to see Alec Murdoch. Clearly she didn't like what 879 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,600 Speaker 1: he was doing. She saw the drug addiction, she saw 880 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:07,080 Speaker 1: the financial malfeasance. He select there was no drug addiction. 881 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,520 Speaker 1: There was no drug addiction. Don't peddle that there was none. Okay, 882 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,000 Speaker 1: he was not. Let take the drug addiction out of it. 883 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,680 Speaker 1: Let's take the drug addiction out of it. And let's 884 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,640 Speaker 1: just say, prior to Maggie and Paul's death, they were 885 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,360 Speaker 1: already you know, you'd use the term murdered in the courtroom. 886 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,040 Speaker 1: Maybe they were already murdered in the family, devalued, discredited, 887 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,440 Speaker 1: pushed out. You know, we've seen in really dysfunctional families 888 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,120 Speaker 1: that the parents and the family will choose one child 889 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,400 Speaker 1: to love and one child to hate. One child gets fed, 890 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,520 Speaker 1: the other one gets abused. Maybe in this case, Paul 891 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,320 Speaker 1: was the one who was starting to be devalued and 892 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,400 Speaker 1: Buster was being elevated. So Buster got to live. Well, you, 893 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,480 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany joining me from Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills, 894 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,880 Speaker 1: and you Eric Bland a hired gun. And I mean 895 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,800 Speaker 1: that in the best sense of the words. In the courtroom, 896 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,160 Speaker 1: you can say whatever y'all want, You can fight till 897 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,960 Speaker 1: you're blue in the face. But it would be a 898 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,760 Speaker 1: cold day in Hublel that I would have my father 899 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:15,600 Speaker 1: laying out in a field with his grave unmarked. Oh No, 900 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,680 Speaker 1: that is not going to happen. And what it says 901 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:23,760 Speaker 1: to me is that nobody cared. Nobody cared enough to 902 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,640 Speaker 1: honor them or take care of them now or the 903 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,400 Speaker 1: night they were murdered. And what Nancy I might add 904 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,080 Speaker 1: to this is that I think, you know, we talk 905 00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,920 Speaker 1: about what's on trial here, perhaps it is privilege on trial. 906 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 1: You know, when we can boil it down to it, 907 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,520 Speaker 1: whether it's in Washington, DC or what happens to be 908 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,080 Speaker 1: in South Carolina, is this is privilege. And we're hoping 909 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,000 Speaker 1: that we're going to get not leading justice peeking underneath her, 910 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,840 Speaker 1: her eye blind, but we're going to get our true 911 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,480 Speaker 1: justice out of this. And I think a lot of 912 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,800 Speaker 1: us are saying this privilege which has kind of run 913 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,240 Speaker 1: rampant through their community and has allowed them to be 914 00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,280 Speaker 1: able to kind of, you know, fester and get away 915 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: with what they've gotten away with at this point, perhaps 916 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,320 Speaker 1: that is really what we're talking about here, that the 917 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,800 Speaker 1: jury needs to kind of peer through and not be 918 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,960 Speaker 1: influenced by what either was or what could be influenced 919 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,520 Speaker 1: by the family. We'll see where all the chips land. Guys, 920 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,560 Speaker 1: we got to go back in the courtroom. They said 921 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,880 Speaker 1: they were unbiased. Let's just take that with a box 922 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,720 Speaker 1: assault and believe them. They were under oath when they 923 00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,960 Speaker 1: took the jury selection oath that they were unbiased and 924 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,400 Speaker 1: that they would be fair and impartial, and let's pray 925 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,000 Speaker 1: to God that they do. I'm going back in the courty. 926 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to leave you guys to argue amongst yourselves. Goodbye, friends,