Speaker 1: All right, man, bulet Cap Podcast special guest, the guy
Speaker 1: Gee Perico is in here. Man, Welcome, Man, what are
Speaker 1: you trying to do this for a while? Man, I'm
Speaker 1: glad to finally get you up here. Bro. Man, it
Speaker 1: was a rough morning. My fucking car got told and
Speaker 1: we're here. My fucking my other car wouldn't start this.
Speaker 1: I was gonna draw my low key say if it
Speaker 1: wouldn't start. But was it old school? Nah, it's a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. I hadn't drove it in like eight months,
Speaker 1: and then I drove it the other day and I
Speaker 1: had to get a jump, and then this morning it
Speaker 1: didn't start again. I'm like, fuck, Well, look you're here, man, Welcome,
Speaker 1: And first of all, you've had an interesting journey in
Speaker 1: this music shit right, So like originally I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: when you were starting to Buzz, you tapped in with
Speaker 1: Fuzz over at Priority. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, the Priority thing
Speaker 1: didn't work out at all. I'm not saying it didn't
Speaker 1: work out Priority Bill, They shit it like went left right,
Speaker 1: but it helped me a lot right right, like they
Speaker 1: did good with you. But I just think like obviously
Speaker 1: Priority didn't last. Priority didn't. That shit was around for
Speaker 1: like a year, right right right then you end up
Speaker 1: with rock Nation, which was you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: rock Nation is an interesting company because it's so great
Speaker 1: at so many things. But I'm not sure the label
Speaker 1: side fits la artist. How was your experience because it
Speaker 1: was about two years you were there? Yeah, two years?
Speaker 1: How was the two years over over there? I mean
Speaker 1: the way I look at it, like, you know, outside
Speaker 1: of the label, because the label was it was musical chairs,
Speaker 1: like they was trying to figure out they got They
Speaker 1: went through so many employees. I remember every like it
Speaker 1: felt like every nine months there was like everyone the
Speaker 1: rock Nation got fired and they hired a bunch of
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was crazy. Yeah, sooner than that,
Speaker 1: I went to a few different project managers and so
Speaker 1: they was trying to figure it that out. But like
Speaker 1: my whole thing, like I learned so much being able
Speaker 1: to be over there, because I get to I get
Speaker 1: to talk to sit in the office with Jay Brown,
Speaker 1: and I get to sit with Emory like they like
Speaker 1: every day with Emory though calls every more. I just
Speaker 1: talked to him this morning, and that's like that's a
Speaker 1: billion dollar circle. How often do you get to hang
Speaker 1: around a billion dollar circle. So I'm like a fly
Speaker 1: on the wall soaking up game and like that part
Speaker 1: of the situation was priceless. So so you know, I
Speaker 1: don't it was great for me. For you getting off
Speaker 1: Rocktation and deciding to go with Empire going to independent route,
Speaker 1: what was the deciding point for you? And and were
Speaker 1: you like did you ask to get off the label?
Speaker 1: Like how did that happen? Yeah? So, I mean naturally
Speaker 1: I'm an independent dude, you know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: how you got here. I don't like like having to
Speaker 1: basically asked for permission to do anything, like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because like this is this is art
Speaker 1: and it's no specific way that you do ship. When
Speaker 1: you get with a label, you stuck in this, in
Speaker 1: this box, I'll call it the chain of command that
Speaker 1: you got to go through this and man, they gotta
Speaker 1: understand your idea and then you got to go through
Speaker 1: Its a lot. It's too much, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I never really wanted to sign a record deal
Speaker 1: in the first place, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: you know, as time went on, it was just you know,
Speaker 1: time for me to jet. I asked to go and
Speaker 1: they real true players. You know what I'm saying. They
Speaker 1: let me go. Like I was out, I requested to go,
Speaker 1: and I was out in a week. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, I think like the type of shit
Speaker 1: you make, bro, It's like it's like you being independent
Speaker 1: makes the most sense exactly. You stacking up your catalog.
Speaker 1: You just kind of keep building on what you have,
Speaker 1: that core following that you have. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: how has it like? You know, the last year? I
Speaker 1: feel like it's been about what nine months since you've
Speaker 1: been on the Empire? A year? Yeah? About nine about
Speaker 1: nine months? Nine months? Yeah? Yeah? So how has that been? October?
Speaker 1: Ten months? It's crazy, it's October ten months, so we're
Speaker 1: going on ten months. How's it been? Man? Because obviously
Speaker 1: I feel like if the music output has been high
Speaker 1: and man awesome, bro, like I could see everything and
Speaker 1: you know the thing with Empire that's dope, Like they
Speaker 1: get you the rope. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: could either hang yourself with it or climb up you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And it's like, you know, when
Speaker 1: you sign with a major label, right, it go like this,
Speaker 1: you get your what I should have did when I
Speaker 1: signed with the major, I should have took my advance
Speaker 1: instead of going to do my shit and Sean, you
Speaker 1: know I love cards and shit. Instead of doing that,
Speaker 1: I should have spent all that money on the music
Speaker 1: and shit myself and just got the money back from
Speaker 1: him later. Yeah, because you had to use that budget,
Speaker 1: and then that budget you got to pay that back
Speaker 1: right on top of the advance. And so I should
Speaker 1: have just took the advance and jump started myself. But
Speaker 1: see this the thing between indies and majors, well, Empire.
Speaker 1: I don't know all indies, but like Empire, and then
Speaker 1: I had a situation with priority. Just the thing like
Speaker 1: when you sign with a major, they give your advance,
Speaker 1: but you gotta have some shit going or you gotta
Speaker 1: have the entire office convinced for your budget to even
Speaker 1: open up, you know what I'm saying. So you gotta
Speaker 1: jump through loops and do a gang of shit to
Speaker 1: even get going in the first place, even after you signed,
Speaker 1: after you did all the work and sign for them
Speaker 1: to approve video budgets and all of this shit gotta
Speaker 1: make sense. It's so much shit, so much fucking red tape,
Speaker 1: that you gotta cut through Now with Empire, whatever you
Speaker 1: fucking sign, whatever your budget is is right there. You
Speaker 1: could go get straight to it immediately. You ain't got
Speaker 1: to waste no time. Now if you fuck it off,
Speaker 1: that's on you. Now. If you do your thing then
Speaker 1: I mean naturally, if you're a businessman, you're gonna do
Speaker 1: your thing. So I mean that's the great part about Empire,
Speaker 1: Like they just let you go. Well speak to that, like,
Speaker 1: because I do think a lot of mistakes that get
Speaker 1: made is what you just said, right, You got an
Speaker 1: advance from a major and maybe you didn't spend it
Speaker 1: in the smartest way, and I'm expluraging, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't realize, like, you know, you get that
Speaker 1: advance and your music has to make that much money
Speaker 1: back times whatever your terms are. Otherwise the conversations get
Speaker 1: dry and well also also otherwise you're you're not gonna
Speaker 1: see any money off your music, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like that's your big nut and you got to kind
Speaker 1: of make that shit stretch, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So what was like, like, if you're if you're you know,
Speaker 1: young independent artists watching this, what would be some advice
Speaker 1: you'd give them? As far as you know, taking the
Speaker 1: advance or I mean, I would say, like with the advance,
Speaker 1: invested like straight back in yourself, pay some bills, but
Speaker 1: invested straight back into the business. Because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, if the music not going and you
Speaker 1: ain't got nothing cracking in the people face and marketing
Speaker 1: and going, like what that advance mean, Like you got
Speaker 1: chain and some money and some it means zero, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I would say, like from
Speaker 1: my personal experience, I didn't do it. I wish I
Speaker 1: would have did it with that specific play. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it'd probably be a different situation right now.
Speaker 1: Take the advance and invest it in yourself marketing and
Speaker 1: promo videos, digital campaigns like spending on that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and make the label open up your
Speaker 1: budget or you know. But it's also crazy too because
Speaker 1: like once you're on a major label, it seems as
Speaker 1: if things get everything gets more expensive, everything is more
Speaker 1: like you go into the studio, Like as an independent artist,
Speaker 1: you go to the studio. I mean, sure, you could
Speaker 1: book my studio for sixty bucks an hour with an engineer.
Speaker 1: They gonna put you at paramount whatever and then you'll
Speaker 1: see the bill on your and you're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: how wait what? Yeah? Yeah, it's like everything even the video,
Speaker 1: it's like yo, like like like I was saying, like, bro,
Speaker 1: you got here doing doing doing you. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You got your own video people you got
Speaker 1: I mean, it's your city, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people don't realize, like
Speaker 1: pay attention to the little details when they do something
Speaker 1: like hey man, not every studio session needs to cost
Speaker 1: that's three hundred dollars an hour, because before you know it,
Speaker 1: you'll be like, uh, they'll send you or you audit
Speaker 1: the books or ask how much you spent and they'd
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, one point five million, and you'd be like,
Speaker 1: wam where the fun where spend? Yeah? How much you spent?
Speaker 1: I spent some money. You spent some money, I'm assuming,
Speaker 1: so let me be cause like, did you recoup it?
Speaker 1: Rock Nation? Nah? Not all the way did they? But
Speaker 1: they were cool with just kind of saying you know what.
Speaker 1: So it's basically like, uh, they got your catalog that
Speaker 1: you dropped over there. Yeah, not on a few dollars,
Speaker 1: not a lot though, but you could drop freely now
Speaker 1: without having to Yeah, I can do whatever. I'm on
Speaker 1: solid on their part. Nah, they like. That's like the
Speaker 1: thing about like rock Nation, like I never have anything
Speaker 1: bad to say, Like it's dope. People over here like
Speaker 1: awesome people for sure, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: just I feel like I just didn't have my thing
Speaker 1: all the way figured out, and you know, like me personally,
Speaker 1: when I got something figured out, I'm aggressively moving in
Speaker 1: that direction. So it was kind of like I was
Speaker 1: in limbo trying to I was like a fish out
Speaker 1: of water in certain situations, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But like everybody over there great, oh Mars Sherry, Like
Speaker 1: I said, Emory is my guy, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So that Emory, I hope one day I interviewed Emory
Speaker 1: and talk about his story because his story is crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think about like I mean, I guess maybe just
Speaker 1: the perception of what happened, Like he kind of took
Speaker 1: it on the chin for hole, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So Hope could stay out and do it stay and
Speaker 1: then he gets out and he's brending Rockney's It's it's
Speaker 1: so fire. Yeah, shout out to emy. So you've also
Speaker 1: been like doing a lot just on the entrepreneur ship,
Speaker 1: Like you launched your obviously you got the shirt on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: blue T shirt. Blue T shirts becoming a staple. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is like the best ship that I fucking created. Bro.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect it to do what it's been doing.
Speaker 1: But uh man, this shit is crazy. Yeah for people,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the concept is amazing. Yeah, because you know,
Speaker 1: for people who don't know your affiliations, they can google them.
Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about them officially. But it's
Speaker 1: a white shirt with red lettering, but it says this
Speaker 1: is a blue T shirt. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean
Speaker 1: when I when I started it, I was sitting in
Speaker 1: the back of one of my shops and shit, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I want to start something new because
Speaker 1: the last ship that I had was the way I
Speaker 1: branded it, it was so limited to my hood at
Speaker 1: this point that shit is just a click in my
Speaker 1: hood at this point, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it's like, Man, what can I do universal to, you know,
Speaker 1: really get the bag and really get through the people
Speaker 1: without having to explain a long shit on what this is.
Speaker 1: And like, this is self explanatory, like however you take it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's perception, but like you know, so many people, uh
Speaker 1: fuck with it, like you know what I'm saying, like, oh,
Speaker 1: white guys, young kids, like old ladies, young everybody like
Speaker 1: you know, gravitates to the to the blue T shirt ship.
Speaker 1: And when I dropped it, it went so crazy, Like
Speaker 1: I never had sales like that on anything. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That ship was crazy. No, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's dope because I mean you've got the tattoos, which
Speaker 1: is fire. I just think it's simple. It's simple, and
Speaker 1: it's like clean as fuck to wear. And like you said,
Speaker 1: like you know, if someone gets it sow way out sweater,
Speaker 1: that's not to explain. Yeah, you know, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying exactly, Like this is just something where it's
Speaker 1: like there's probably kids in Oklahoma rock on that shirt
Speaker 1: right now or some ship, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it's definitely a we gotta we got a nice
Speaker 1: little audience out here. Something that I feel like you've
Speaker 1: done a good job of doing in LA is working
Speaker 1: with a wide spectrum of artists here, And I want
Speaker 1: to say you were kind of like the class before
Speaker 1: the Roucies and the Hikes and those guys like you
Speaker 1: were active before them in the music game. But I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like you are a part of that
Speaker 1: initial class that was like not as divided as we've
Speaker 1: seen LA be in the past. Yeah, definitely. And with
Speaker 1: LA hip hop, there's always politics no matter what happens, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. And you know we've seen street politics equal
Speaker 1: artists that want to work with each other not working
Speaker 1: with each other in the past, for sure, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like I remember talking to c about,
Speaker 1: like why you never work with Nipsey and it's obvious,
Speaker 1: right yeah. But at the same time, like I feel
Speaker 1: like the new generation of Los Angeles artists, to a
Speaker 1: higher extent than I've ever seen at least, have done
Speaker 1: a great job of either putting that stuff to the
Speaker 1: side and working together or just automatically just tapping in
Speaker 1: with each other. And obviously there's always going to be
Speaker 1: some drama, you know what I'm saying. But what is
Speaker 1: it about LA right now that you feel like has
Speaker 1: a really united feel to it? You know, naturally, this
Speaker 1: is the Gang City, the Gang culture. So like you said,
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, people that I run with might
Speaker 1: not get along with. You know, people that I want
Speaker 1: to work with run with. But what's going on right
Speaker 1: now is like a lot of the artists that's up
Speaker 1: be coming not really gang affiliated to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. A lot of people didn't
Speaker 1: they didn't grow up gang banging or don't really have
Speaker 1: like the super gang bangers around in the mix. And
Speaker 1: it's it's it's just a lot more players, a lot
Speaker 1: more people about their money, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And the ship and I think it's dope, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I actually was tripping one day when
Speaker 1: I when I noticed what was going on. I'm like, shit,
Speaker 1: everybody working together and it's no problems, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, which is like never happened out here. Hopefully
Speaker 1: it keep going. But hopefully it keeps going. It's just like,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people able to look past it,
Speaker 1: and then a lot of people like not wrapped up
Speaker 1: in the gang shit so deep that you know, they
Speaker 1: letting that shit hinder whatever happened. I wish I was
Speaker 1: that good, you know what I'm saying, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: tied into the shit. Like yre's certain people I'm never
Speaker 1: gonna work with, like and they might be cool or whatnot,
Speaker 1: but it's just like just like where I come from
Speaker 1: and the shit that I believe in, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's or I just got to just know that a
Speaker 1: person is genuine, you know what I'm saying, Because I
Speaker 1: don't want to be doing music with somebody and then
Speaker 1: later on they cool with me, but they on some
Speaker 1: shit this in my hood or something like, you know,
Speaker 1: So I think that's what stopped a lot of shit previously,
Speaker 1: and what's bringing shit together is like, motherfucker's not really
Speaker 1: like yeah, like you talk to like like kids and
Speaker 1: they'll be like, yo, like I really didn't grow up
Speaker 1: that way. My uncles were or you know, I grew
Speaker 1: up in an area, but like I wasn't active. So
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier for me to re across the
Speaker 1: aisle and work with you know exactly. And that's dope,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: like over the years, a lot of people didn't a
Speaker 1: lot of people from the previous time didn't grow up
Speaker 1: gang banging, but you know, for that image and that
Speaker 1: certain thing, and it's surrounding people like they let that
Speaker 1: shit hinder shit, Like you know, it's a lot of
Speaker 1: It's I can't really name too many artists from Los
Speaker 1: Angeles right like in the last even in the last
Speaker 1: ten years that actually really grew up gang banging, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like or in the mix, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But you know, Motherfuckers is affiliated
Speaker 1: and you know, the image and the people around fuck
Speaker 1: sit up. I mean, yeah, it doesn't hurt record tales
Speaker 1: for people to believe you're a gang member. Oh that
Speaker 1: shit is great, especially for LA artists, Like that's what
Speaker 1: this shit is about, like just the land of the
Speaker 1: gang bang here in Chicago, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of you know, also that's
Speaker 1: unfortunate because you know, like you said, like, I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's a lot of artists of people who got wrapped
Speaker 1: up in some shit they never need to get wrapped
Speaker 1: up into just for just for the cloud or the image,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like, you know, it
Speaker 1: is what I was talking to Whack a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and he was like, definitively, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I could never in good faith tell anybody to get
Speaker 1: involved in gang shit. You know what I'm saying. I've
Speaker 1: been there. I took those lumps to be in a
Speaker 1: position where I could tell people that's not the way
Speaker 1: to go. Like I'm assuming you kind of feel similar.
Speaker 1: My whole thing with the you know how I look
Speaker 1: at it is uh, because the gang is a community.
Speaker 1: First of all, who do we just talk to this
Speaker 1: said gang bang wasn't necessarily a bad or being in
Speaker 1: a gang rather necessarily isn't a bad thing. Yeah, d
Speaker 1: Smoke just said, it's definitely and it doesn't start as that, right,
Speaker 1: It's definitely not because the gang is naturally the community,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And you know, everybody from
Speaker 1: the gang since the beginning of time is not a
Speaker 1: fucking killer, you know what I'm saying, or or even
Speaker 1: not people that commit crimes. Like I got big homies
Speaker 1: that my whole entire life knowing them. They had jobs
Speaker 1: and they was family men, but you know, they was
Speaker 1: a part of the community and they showed they support
Speaker 1: which is necessary, you know what I mean, and helping
Speaker 1: like younger homies find their way. You know what I'm saying. Now,
Speaker 1: if if everybody from the area just decided to, man,
Speaker 1: fuck this shit, I ain't talking to nobody, I ain't
Speaker 1: dealing with where does that leave the people that come next,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like a real
Speaker 1: thin line. But I definitely wouldn't tell nobody to go
Speaker 1: kill nobody, or go do no shit like that or
Speaker 1: commit no crimes. I would say, like, all right, if
Speaker 1: that's where you're from, you know, represent where you're from,
Speaker 1: But you don't have to be a fucking gang banger.
Speaker 1: You could be a doctor, a lawyer, fireman, a fucking
Speaker 1: cop if you want to, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But you know, I wouldn't just say like fuck the
Speaker 1: hood like that, you know what I'm saying. I would say,
Speaker 1: like crips and bloods originally started as like community organizations,
Speaker 1: right like you're like you said, like, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know that's what That's one way to look at it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But like when you really
Speaker 1: think about it, like it was like just a gang
Speaker 1: of young dudes fifteen fourteen sixteen, like doing knucklehead shit
Speaker 1: in the community, you know, what I mean. I mean,
Speaker 1: it didn't start off as some killing shit like we
Speaker 1: killing each other, but you know it was definitely like
Speaker 1: always at odds with some type of shit. That's how
Speaker 1: crip really started, you know what I mean, like it
Speaker 1: get deep. I don't even want to go into that.
Speaker 1: But hey, so let me ask you this because this
Speaker 1: is something I had to learn. Had had to teach
Speaker 1: me this when I first moved to La. Not what
Speaker 1: hats are okay to wear anywhere in La. I know
Speaker 1: there's only a few La hat Black La black LA
Speaker 1: heads always like black LA Hat's the only one. But
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm black LA hat. That's really it.
Speaker 1: The Diamondback that right there, Uh, Campa Bay TB Santana
Speaker 1: black you know what I mean, twenty bloods you know
Speaker 1: what I mean are the Arizona Diamondbacks avalon anthis park.
Speaker 1: You know, a black LA had it's the safe, safe bet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: black La had is probably as neutral as it kid,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, at least if you're gonna
Speaker 1: in the valley. If I haven't had any issues in
Speaker 1: the valley, Oh yeah, the valley. You know, it's dope
Speaker 1: about the valley. So when I got out of I
Speaker 1: got out of prison and shit in twenty fourteen twenty
Speaker 1: the end of twenty thirteen, I was living in a
Speaker 1: studio on a hundred nighth in Broadway, and somebody have
Speaker 1: got a hold of my social and shit. While I
Speaker 1: was in jail and fucked my running your show. Nobody
Speaker 1: would rent me no apartment, like my credit was fucked up.
Speaker 1: So I finally got a spot a day before, a
Speaker 1: day before my homie just got off the Feds, Like
Speaker 1: a day before they took how many homies was it?
Speaker 1: Seventy two homies to the Feds? Wow? So the day
Speaker 1: before I got an apartment in the Valley and Sherman
Speaker 1: Oaks and shit, and basically the Valley is like what
Speaker 1: kept me out of trouble in the mix and helped
Speaker 1: me transition into the music and the business. Because had
Speaker 1: I studyed in LA, I probably would have like just
Speaker 1: been in trouble. Yeah, people don't like everyone comes, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy too because like you know, I was
Speaker 1: just talking to d Smoke about this. We're talking about
Speaker 1: how like a lot of people come to LA and
Speaker 1: they think it's the place where you come get your packs,
Speaker 1: you come fucking hit mail rows and then you end
Speaker 1: up getting robbed, right right. It's tricky. It looked cute,
Speaker 1: it looks beautiful all here, but it's like everyone does
Speaker 1: the same shit. They come to LA. They ran a
Speaker 1: fucking some nice ass car. Yeah, they go to cookies, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they try to go yeah they you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like and then on the other end there's
Speaker 1: people who move. Everyone moves to the valley. I feel
Speaker 1: like everyone is either in North Hollywood like like here,
Speaker 1: but this is a valley where it's not La though,
Speaker 1: No it's not. People don't realize that, like, and I
Speaker 1: think that's like, like you could be comfortable wearing a
Speaker 1: lot of shit in the valley. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1: You know, there's some areas over here shitty in North
Speaker 1: Hollywood that are sketched. You know, they got some gangster spots,
Speaker 1: you know, coma obviously van eyes. But I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize like the level of
Speaker 1: comfort to just walk freely where certain shit is not
Speaker 1: the same over on this side of the mountain. This
Speaker 1: is actual LA. This is like not this is the
Speaker 1: free world right here, basically the valley, Like it was
Speaker 1: like when I got over here. Bro, it was like
Speaker 1: a culture shock, you know what I'm saying. Like I
Speaker 1: always stayed like on the outskirts of the city, but
Speaker 1: my whole life always been, you know, something centered in
Speaker 1: the hood spots, whatever's going on, whatever we're doing. Like
Speaker 1: so when I came here, it was like, Damn, this
Speaker 1: shit is smooth, you know what I mean. I had
Speaker 1: the time to like really just figure myself out and
Speaker 1: figure my thing out. Put you know, LA for motherfuckers
Speaker 1: that don't know, like LA is basically when you cross
Speaker 1: I ain't even gonna say Olympic Pico, south of Pico,
Speaker 1: that's l A, you know what I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: like north of Pico, Like that's not really not that's
Speaker 1: like it's nice. Mail Roads don't even count as LA.
Speaker 1: That's like it's West Hollywood at the moment. Are you
Speaker 1: still living in l A in the valley? Now? I
Speaker 1: got I got a spot in the valley, in a
Speaker 1: spot in l A. I was gonna say, like, well,
Speaker 1: not in l A, l A. I got a spot
Speaker 1: in fucking West Hollywood, right West hollywoods High right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody getting robbed over there. You see the video of
Speaker 1: the guy. You see the video of the guy in
Speaker 1: the Lamello ball jersey and they try to run up
Speaker 1: on him and he was served. I was like, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: it's it's wild because I feel like like that that
Speaker 1: that influx of money, that influx of cash in the ghetto,
Speaker 1: Like it was like I wasn't around when crack came out,
Speaker 1: but I heard stories. I'm thinking maybe this was similar.
Speaker 1: Like everybody had a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand, eighty thousand,
Speaker 1: everyone hit and everybody discovered mail rolls, and now the
Speaker 1: money is gone. It's like, all right, we over here
Speaker 1: hit lah shit. Yeah, you know it's crazy. During the pandemic,
Speaker 1: like you said, like that Edd, money was that PPP
Speaker 1: shit was booming. That shit was awesome. Man. I hear
Speaker 1: a lot of people talking shit and talking down on
Speaker 1: people that did it. And but it's like, bro, if
Speaker 1: a nigga was broke, you'll be talking down on them too,
Speaker 1: you broke ass niggas. Ooh, I'm happy Edd, I'll be
Speaker 1: hearing niggas saying bitch ass shit like that. But it's like, bro,
Speaker 1: like what is motherfuckers to do? He ain't selling crack
Speaker 1: to your mama. I can't wait to see like in
Speaker 1: like ten fifteen, twenty years, like the documentary about the
Speaker 1: pppedd shit, it's gonna be crazy. It's like an era
Speaker 1: like everyone was riding crazy, everyone got ice right. It's
Speaker 1: people like I know for a act were like dead
Speaker 1: ass broke and then like ninety day all out. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck You're driving a fucking Badley? What happened? No? Possibly,
Speaker 1: it was pretty easy, and everything was you got to
Speaker 1: think about it. The world was froze like I would
Speaker 1: work or anything. You know. I had friends who were like, bro,
Speaker 1: you got an LLC yo, I'm telling you, look, you
Speaker 1: could get like one hundred K. And I'm like, but
Speaker 1: I don't. But I'm good. Look, so look that's crazy
Speaker 1: you say that. I got like four LLC's, right, well
Speaker 1: a little more than that now, But at the time
Speaker 1: I had four LLC's and like, I signed up for
Speaker 1: one and got a proved for ninety G. I didn't
Speaker 1: even take it though. I'm like, man, I don't even
Speaker 1: really need that ship. And then I read the stipulations
Speaker 1: all my shit legit. I'm like, man, I'm not about
Speaker 1: to be checking in and nobody for no fucking ninety
Speaker 1: g He's like it was tempting though I wanted to,
Speaker 1: but because I just I opened. I just opened the
Speaker 1: studio in February of twenty twenty, and then the pandemic hit.
Speaker 1: I mean, our ship was booming because all the studios closed,
Speaker 1: to at least the major studios closed. Yeah, but we
Speaker 1: never closed. I was like, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: I just opened this shit. I invested a lot of
Speaker 1: my own money in this place. We're going. We don't
Speaker 1: have a store front, people don't music not stopping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we thrived in the pandemic. But I was it
Speaker 1: was definitely When it's that much money and it's that
Speaker 1: easy to get, it's hard to say no to, which
Speaker 1: is why I understand why a lot of people did.
Speaker 1: But I, like he said, I think, I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of people going to jail now, right, A lot
Speaker 1: of people going to gym. And then I thought about
Speaker 1: it too, like all right, I do one of these
Speaker 1: like I'm fuck that bro, Like, yeah, no, you were smart, man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to fuck another car and not already
Speaker 1: got like four of the motherfuckers. That's basically what that
Speaker 1: would have been, you know what I'm saying. But like yo,
Speaker 1: just get a new whip. You say you have a
Speaker 1: cars like your weakness. What what what is like your
Speaker 1: prize possession vehicle that you have right now? Probably the
Speaker 1: VET the C eight. Is that that new one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the same with Freddy Gibbs. Probably hasn't. Yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: he got a orange, He's got the orange rue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's just blue obviously. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: thing is like the new Qurvette, because like a Corvette
Speaker 1: went from like being like you could get like a
Speaker 1: fire one for like seventy five thousand, the new joints
Speaker 1: are like north of one hundred and Yeah, it's marked
Speaker 1: up their fire though. It's like you're driving a fucking lambow.
Speaker 1: It feels like, Yeah, it's definitely a fun car. But
Speaker 1: I'm already thinking about a couple other vehicles that i
Speaker 1: want in the next few months. I'm like holding back
Speaker 1: from I'll be spending too much money, man, I mean
Speaker 1: cars are not the most wise investment. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm holding back, but I want to get a I
Speaker 1: mean thinking about getting the may Back, the new may Back.
Speaker 1: I seen them, Yeah, the twenty one may Back and
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Oh yeah, you're crazy
Speaker 1: and then be my next It's just gonna be my
Speaker 1: two veo coach fuck around. Just go buy a house
Speaker 1: in Santa Clara and rent it out to someone that's
Speaker 1: much better place to put your back, right. So that's
Speaker 1: that's what I said. I said, I gotta at least
Speaker 1: get like this in twenty twenty two. I gotta get
Speaker 1: at least like two properties before I do any like
Speaker 1: income property though, yeah, warehouse. I need a compound, y'all.
Speaker 1: Rent all these houses and recording and need to get
Speaker 1: a compound. And bro get a studio. Get up. You
Speaker 1: should just get one spot where you have your studio.
Speaker 1: You buy all your machinery to make your own shit exactly.
Speaker 1: Cut out the middle man man, and then and then
Speaker 1: once you make all that money back, then go get
Speaker 1: the may back. Yeah. Yeah, you don't need a maybag man.
Speaker 1: That shits a I feel like I do. I know
Speaker 1: you do, but you don't. I've been having this conversation
Speaker 1: with my wife all the time. I'm like, listen, our
Speaker 1: cars are paid off. We're good. Like, if there's what
Speaker 1: these bitches stops working, we're right right right. The only
Speaker 1: car I'm gonna fuck off is the Tesla truck, the
Speaker 1: cyber truck. Whenever cyber truck looks crazy, that will be
Speaker 1: the stupid purchase I make. That cyber truck is crazy.
Speaker 1: But like, bro, it's about thirty cars I want, Bro,
Speaker 1: I got a problem. Yeah, it sounds like so I
Speaker 1: need to I need to drop a few more projects
Speaker 1: and ship. You know what I'm saying. I gonna say,
Speaker 1: like when you drop music now, like is the first
Speaker 1: of all have you noticed like a difference in the
Speaker 1: the like the money you make versus being independent versus
Speaker 1: you know, because how many projects did you drop on
Speaker 1: rock Nation? Was it two? Uh too? Yeah? And then
Speaker 1: you just dropped something that I had about fucking I
Speaker 1: record so much? Bro, were you able to keep those
Speaker 1: songs projects? I mean I got them, but they sound
Speaker 1: like from that time you know, I hear you. So
Speaker 1: it's like you know what though, That's something that artists
Speaker 1: do a lot, is that they'll have songs that are
Speaker 1: old to them but are still fucking fire. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I probably need somebody to come through and listen to
Speaker 1: that ship like this. Yeah, that shit happens all the time.
Speaker 1: Like I like, I like here, like I remember tied
Speaker 1: all the sign played me his album like two years ago.
Speaker 1: It was like the greatest shit I ever fucking heard.
Speaker 1: And he didn't put it out for like a year
Speaker 1: and a half, and then it came out and it
Speaker 1: was still good because he's tied. But I was like swapped.
Speaker 1: I hit him. I was like, bro, what happened to that?
Speaker 1: Like the album you played me with one? You were
Speaker 1: grammy a man? That ship. Man, I'm like, bro, that
Speaker 1: it'd be like that once you when you in there
Speaker 1: are listening to it so much, for sure, critique and ship,
Speaker 1: and you know it gets like that ship. Your own
Speaker 1: shit gets played out to you before the world even
Speaker 1: hears it, for sure. Yeah. Sure you record a lot now,
Speaker 1: Like are you often? Hell yeah, hell yeah. I keep so.
Speaker 1: I keep a studio, some speakers in interface everywhere I'm
Speaker 1: at at my house, at the studio house, h anywhere.
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Speaker 1: fire yeah. Yeah, So what brought you over there? Somebody
Speaker 1: I'll do business with? Yeah, one of my business over there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ocean Side is a it's like I've only I've only
Speaker 1: got an in and out burger there. But my sister
Speaker 1: would say in and out. As soon as you pull
Speaker 1: up in that welcome to the the Ocean Side, then it's
Speaker 1: in and yeah. It's just like, uh, where I stop
Speaker 1: and get food on my way to go DJ at
Speaker 1: Flux in San Diego. It's like it's a dope little
Speaker 1: beach city. I heard it used to be slummy and
Speaker 1: ship now it's nice, you know what I mean? But
Speaker 1: military city. Yeah. So the company, the company that I'm
Speaker 1: with that I partners in Urban Water. We basically got
Speaker 1: water in all the hotels and it's a water company. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why that's big. I gotta get you some water ship
Speaker 1: some cases come through not Essentia. Yeah, we got we
Speaker 1: got much better water than that right there. It's called
Speaker 1: Urban Water Company. Yeah. Yeah, So what's the like, what's
Speaker 1: the everyone has a like what's special about your water?
Speaker 1: The pH levels? The or is it just good water?
Speaker 1: I mean it's like there's water snobs. So we got
Speaker 1: spring water, alkaline water, uh CBD water. What a CBD
Speaker 1: water is like just for us? Basically, Yo, there's some
Speaker 1: fucking THHC water that I saw at the dispensary and
Speaker 1: I was like, who the fuck is stupid enough to
Speaker 1: drink a fucking highest ship bro? Again, you can't. You
Speaker 1: can't get rid of that high right, drink it. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you a story about an edible bro to
Speaker 1: save my life. Like, if I didn't eat this edible bro,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be sitting here having this interview. It wouldn't
Speaker 1: be no gepri eco nothing, so I can talk about it.
Speaker 1: This is fucking twelve years right, So we wash about
Speaker 1: to go hit a lick basically, And I'm not a
Speaker 1: robber or a jacker or any of that ship. I'm
Speaker 1: like a hustler, player, pimp, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: gangster Like that's my thing. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I know how to hustle it up. But uh so
Speaker 1: I was already out of my lane, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But at the time, like I was down,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just took a loss and shit.
Speaker 1: So we go sculpe the shit out and shit, and
Speaker 1: it's like a dispensary before. They was popping up everything.
Speaker 1: So every dispensary that was around that time was booming.
Speaker 1: So we go in check it out and dude, give
Speaker 1: me a fucking a peanut buttered like oatmeal type cookie.
Speaker 1: That's an edible though, right, And we hadn't stopped and
Speaker 1: got nothing to eat. We just been on one all day,
Speaker 1: so I'm hungry as fuck. I knocked the cookie back.
Speaker 1: It was cookie, knocked the whole cookie back. Right. By
Speaker 1: the time we get back to the hood, I'm tweaking.
Speaker 1: I can't sit still. I'm like, I'm thinking too much.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at everybody, my mouth white and shit. I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I'm tripping, right, so I try to lay down. We
Speaker 1: finally got food. I couldn't even eat. Nigga's like, gee,
Speaker 1: you treat you acting weird, bro. I'm like, I know
Speaker 1: this fucking edible. So long story short, they leave out
Speaker 1: the dog go to hit the lick. I ain't seen
Speaker 1: them niggas since then. Oh and this was about twelve
Speaker 1: years ago. I ain't seen them niggas since. I ain't
Speaker 1: heard from him or nothing. Wow, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So what happened? Yeah, who knows? What happened to you?
Speaker 1: The edible saved me, man, damn straight up yup. I
Speaker 1: had a time where I had an edible that I
Speaker 1: was only supposed to have like an eighth of but
Speaker 1: I did the same thing. It was so fire, and
Speaker 1: I ate the whole fucking edible. I was tweaking, Bro,
Speaker 1: I was hallucinating. I was uh, I was it was.
Speaker 1: It was like I was like going to a concert
Speaker 1: and I was supposed to interview both the artists of
Speaker 1: the concert. So I eat the edible and the first
Speaker 1: it was a yellow Wolf and Rich concert. So Rich
Speaker 1: is one of my close homies, and so I eat
Speaker 1: the edible. I don't feel nothing right. So I'm on
Speaker 1: the bus, I do the interview whatever. I'm like, Man,
Speaker 1: I ate it. I don't feel shit. Bro, I'm chilling,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. She's like, cool, I'm about
Speaker 1: to go on stage. So we go. We going to
Speaker 1: the show, and as soon as this fool goes on stage,
Speaker 1: kick bro. Like, I couldn't move my legs. Bro. My
Speaker 1: legs felt like I'm like with my boy and I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 1: I can't walk. My legs feel like they're playing it
Speaker 1: into the ground. And then every everyone in the in
Speaker 1: the concert. I could hear everyone's conversation like I could,
Speaker 1: like it's probably a thousand people at this show. I
Speaker 1: look across the room and like, hone in on someone
Speaker 1: having a conversation at the bar in the middle of
Speaker 1: a concert happening, and here exactly what the fuck they're saying,
Speaker 1: Like I had superpowers, yo. Then I look up on
Speaker 1: stage Rich is performing and next to him there's an
Speaker 1: animated Garfield the Cat, like a statue with slot machine
Speaker 1: eyes going through like with dollar signs in his eyes,
Speaker 1: and I bro I started freaking the fuck out, and
Speaker 1: then like everything that could have happened that made my life,
Speaker 1: like like I like, if you were tripping, all the
Speaker 1: weird shit that could have actually happened in front of
Speaker 1: you that night actually happened. Like some Native American dude
Speaker 1: like walked up on me and started freaking out, like
Speaker 1: asking me for my photo and started telling me like
Speaker 1: about his tribe and shit. And this dude was like
Speaker 1: Native like fucking cat all kinds of fucking shit on
Speaker 1: his head, and I was like, I didn't think he
Speaker 1: was real. So I was telling my boy, I'm like,
Speaker 1: do you see this in front of the guy. I'm like,
Speaker 1: do you see this motherfucker right in front of me?
Speaker 1: The guy's like, I hello, I'm right here, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you real? Bro? It was I was puked. It
Speaker 1: was the brigain. Yeah, that was the last time I did.
Speaker 1: I've done edibles in like very small doses, but like
Speaker 1: that night. And then there was a night me and
Speaker 1: Freddie did uh. We were in Texas and I did
Speaker 1: shrooms and an edible and he did shrooms and I
Speaker 1: thought I thought they were RUMs. Is the shit? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah, I got some shrooms for if you
Speaker 1: need him. But uh, but no, I did a I
Speaker 1: did shrooms and an edible. We were uh. Freddie Gibbs
Speaker 1: went out there to do Joe Rogan in Austin, so
Speaker 1: I went with him and we went to a comedy
Speaker 1: show and I was like, you know what, Joe Rogan's coming.
Speaker 1: I started doing shrooms because of Joe Rogan. I was like,
Speaker 1: fred let's eat some fucking shrooms. So we fucking each
Speaker 1: take like we eat a lot of fucking shrooms. But
Speaker 1: I had also eaten a lot of edibles. Like I
Speaker 1: was just on some fucking shit. I was out of town.
Speaker 1: I was drinking. I was eating that, bro the worst.
Speaker 1: It was like the most paranoid, freaked out night of
Speaker 1: my life. Bro. We're in this fucking bar on Sixth
Speaker 1: and I thought that these dudes were gonna kill Fred.
Speaker 1: I was like, he says, some ship in my ear,
Speaker 1: like hey, and this all happened, Yo, Watch the motherfucker's
Speaker 1: over there man. Wow man, Bro. And you know when
Speaker 1: Fred when he's drunk, he's wild man. He's drunk and
Speaker 1: on shrooms. And so he's like, Yo, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: peep the back door of this bar, make sure we
Speaker 1: got an exit route. And I'm like, so he's telling
Speaker 1: me that there's some dudes like Iron eyeing him right,
Speaker 1: and we're in Texas. I don't know no bunny in
Speaker 1: fucking Texas, And all I could think of was, Fuck,
Speaker 1: we're gonna die like Pop Smoke died. We're gonna die
Speaker 1: like Pop Smoke died. And I'm gonna be with this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I might die too. Bro, I'm like losing my fucking bud.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Brian, Brian Moses is our homies, a comedian.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Bro, did he just tell me to look
Speaker 1: out and this guy is not doing ship. I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be like his muscle. I'm like, it's me and
Speaker 1: him and a girl. And I'm like, so it's on
Speaker 1: me to like, I'm fucking tripping balls. How am I
Speaker 1: supposed to help in this if we get into some ship,
Speaker 1: I'm in no use here. It was. It was a
Speaker 1: terrible night, but yeah, edibles for me after that night,
Speaker 1: I'm good. Shrooms. You fuck with shrooms? Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: got too many shrooms one day though. I took too
Speaker 1: many strom in a shower, right, and I said, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna stop taking them broke, because I see
Speaker 1: how people get spacey off of that ship. Right. I'm
Speaker 1: in the shower and I got the face towel in
Speaker 1: my hand and I looked down at it and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, people treat me just like this face towel.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Just use me and throw
Speaker 1: me on it, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: hold up, bro I'm fucking tripping. Yeah. Nah, you know, shrooms, Uh,
Speaker 1: they're changing. I mean people like if you if you
Speaker 1: do that, have you heard of doing a hero's dose?
Speaker 1: A heroes though, how much is that? It's supposed to
Speaker 1: be at least the eighth but I think it's two eighths. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've done hero dose. Yeah, if that's what that is,
Speaker 1: I think it's two eighths. That's a lot. And it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be like like the changing your life amount
Speaker 1: of shrooms, Like you do it and you just like
Speaker 1: work through all the problems in your life, like it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes you like it kind of makes you a
Speaker 1: little too calm sometimes for me, Like I don't like
Speaker 1: being that calm. What got you in? What got you
Speaker 1: into doing shrooms? Because most rappers are very uh they
Speaker 1: think it's like meth. Like if I bring up, like,
Speaker 1: hey you do shrooms, a lot of rappers like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is wrong with you? Broh. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: it's not. I didn't ask if you smoke crack. So
Speaker 1: I walked into Uh, I walked in the studio one night.
Speaker 1: Well I had been seeing it around and shit, I
Speaker 1: walk in the studio one night with my partners and
Speaker 1: shit big they big dudes too, and everybody in there
Speaker 1: got sunglasses on and shit right, and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: what's going on in this motherfucker? Right, And I'm used
Speaker 1: to being around like I grew up on the East Side.
Speaker 1: I'm used to motherfuckers being on coke all the whole shit.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, damn, maybe everybody up in here on
Speaker 1: blow or something, right, And like somebody said something and
Speaker 1: everybody just started laughing and it just turned in. It
Speaker 1: was like super quiet. I guess people was quiet because
Speaker 1: I walked in and I'm like the sober guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they said something. Everybody started laughing and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we on shrooms, whoo whoo. So I took a little
Speaker 1: piece and I didn't feel I was scared though it
Speaker 1: took like a super small piece, didn't feel anything. So like,
Speaker 1: as months progressed and ship like I'll be taking more
Speaker 1: and more. And then that last time I took so
Speaker 1: much like I was fucking tripping. It was awesome, though,
Speaker 1: but I don't think I could be that cool. Have
Speaker 1: you heard of d MT? Nah? So DMT is like
Speaker 1: that's the closest thing to looking like smoking crack, but
Speaker 1: it's so. D MT is it's a molecule that your
Speaker 1: brain produces when you're born and when you're dead, so
Speaker 1: when you die, DMT gets released when you when you're born,
Speaker 1: it gets released. So there's a frog that sweats d
Speaker 1: MT that's based in the in Arizona, the desert right right,
Speaker 1: So they take it off a frog, so and then
Speaker 1: they actually the obviously, uh in the Amazon the frogs
Speaker 1: there as well. But you smoke DMT. You have to
Speaker 1: freebase it though, so you literally have you literally have
Speaker 1: to smoke it from out. You literally have to smoke
Speaker 1: it from a crack pipe just you know, obviously there's
Speaker 1: no crack, but it is like, uh, you smoke d MT,
Speaker 1: you hit the you hit the pipe, and then you're
Speaker 1: just you're just gone for fifteen minutes in another planet.
Speaker 1: And people say that like it expands your mind to
Speaker 1: like realize like how small in the world you are,
Speaker 1: Like it opens like a portal to like it's I
Speaker 1: fucked that because it's like once you certain people get
Speaker 1: too smart and then they just like hear like it's
Speaker 1: the purpose in life and things that they need to do.
Speaker 1: Just like I feel like, I mean, you might be
Speaker 1: down for DMT though in the right in the right setting,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like not like super heavy on shrooms,
Speaker 1: Like I don't trying them. A couple of times did
Speaker 1: a lot one time and was like, yeah, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of cool, but like, I don't, bro, I feel like
Speaker 1: that shit just I like grew up around drug addicts.
Speaker 1: I'm from the ghetto. You know what I'm saying. Everybody
Speaker 1: is a fucking addict to something. Alcohol for sure, for sure,
Speaker 1: coke uh weed as like recD weed is nothing that
Speaker 1: don't feel as far as like so it's like, bro,
Speaker 1: certain drugs that take you somewhere and open your mind
Speaker 1: up and bring you somewhere. I feel like it kind
Speaker 1: of like steals. It's still your passion for whatever you're
Speaker 1: trying to do, like you just fine with existing. However,
Speaker 1: that's just me from the outside looking in at certain
Speaker 1: people that I know like that just found that special
Speaker 1: place in the world, Like it's just happy and cool
Speaker 1: and fuck that. I still need my motivation. Yeah, I'm tripping,
Speaker 1: like fuck this, we gotta get this done. And you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I need that. Talk about your
Speaker 1: relationship with Grido because you obviously you know all three
Speaker 1: Grito's got twelve thousand songs that no one's heard yet.
Speaker 1: Free my boy Grito, So me and Greedo got a
Speaker 1: whole project together, right, So when Greto was because you know,
Speaker 1: Greto been out for a long time. Yeah, for a
Speaker 1: long time. He's been out for a long time. But
Speaker 1: when he started blowing up as Greto and like, motherfuckers
Speaker 1: was only you know what I mean? Uh, I remember
Speaker 1: he was talking that shit, y'all. I just did twelve
Speaker 1: songs today. I did twenty songs today. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: the next time we get in the studio, like I'm competitive,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like that's how the g
Speaker 1: Worthy project came about. We would talk about that, but
Speaker 1: like when we get in the studio, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: this is motherfucker not about to run circles around me
Speaker 1: in here, you know what I'm saying. So every time
Speaker 1: a beat came on, I'm trying to rush into booth
Speaker 1: because he just he here the beat and he just
Speaker 1: casually walks into booth and comes out in five minutes
Speaker 1: with the shit done, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: when everything come on, I'm trying to in there, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And we at the end of
Speaker 1: the night, we ended up with a project. One of
Speaker 1: the songs came out on first A good Job First,
Speaker 1: FK first he dropped. He dropped one of the songs
Speaker 1: that we did that night, and we still probably got
Speaker 1: about like fifteen songs in my computer and shit probably
Speaker 1: dropped some more of that ship. But that's basically what
Speaker 1: that so his creative processes. Have you ever seen anyone
Speaker 1: record that fast? Because I mean from what ts tight
Speaker 1: no TK was telling me, Like the amount of songs
Speaker 1: he has, it's insane. Yeah, Like it's almost like you
Speaker 1: don't believe it until you see, Like damn, I like
Speaker 1: this guy drops music like still out in the machine.
Speaker 1: I think he just learned how to just have a conversation,
Speaker 1: not like he just learned how to be like one
Speaker 1: with the music, if that makes sense, Like because like
Speaker 1: he bro he's I know for sure he's not thinking
Speaker 1: hard about nothing. The beat come on, he talked, and ship,
Speaker 1: yeah walk in and then walk back out like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. The only time I seen him
Speaker 1: like like pressure and that ain't even pressure was like
Speaker 1: when he pressing the engineer like give my ship. Sounded right,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. But outside of that,
Speaker 1: he like that niggas like water, like just what are you?
Speaker 1: The joint project that you're sitting on. Is there any
Speaker 1: sort of idea when that's gonna We've been talking about it,
Speaker 1: and she's on your album a couple of times, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he on there. He called me one day and Ship
Speaker 1: and and he's like, man, put out some of that Ship.
Speaker 1: And I thought about it, So I took jay Nauri
Speaker 1: actually took a piece from one of the joints and
Speaker 1: mixed it in and too sexy and and uh, we
Speaker 1: just had a conversation and Ship. We was talking. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna record it, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: we just talking Ship, and I chot pieces from the
Speaker 1: conversation and put them inserts on certain songs and Ship,
Speaker 1: how's he doing? Uh? You know, how's the spirit? Bro?
Speaker 1: He fucking he better than me. Put it like that.
Speaker 1: I'm not stressing. He popping that shit. He talking like
Speaker 1: he out on the streets, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I know when he get out, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: have a problem getting straight back into it. Like he
Speaker 1: like a special, one of a kind type motherfucker. Like
Speaker 1: I ain't never seen nobody like him, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, I thought one of the doper moments
Speaker 1: that I saw kind of the original verses was him
Speaker 1: and RJ and nobody got hurt at the Novo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was fire. That was fire. That was super far
Speaker 1: and he woke my game up about a lot of
Speaker 1: shit too, like what just basically like, uh, just me
Speaker 1: being like back to like being a fucking gang banger
Speaker 1: from the streets. Like sometimes the uh, the mentality of
Speaker 1: that a carry over into this. But this ain't that,
Speaker 1: and that ain't this, you know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: like being able to free entry the twol you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, is real difficult. That's why you don't
Speaker 1: see a lot of artists like myself or with the
Speaker 1: background like myself cracking or on the scene. It's because
Speaker 1: their eparate. It's too fucking real, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it took a while for me to understand that, Bro,
Speaker 1: this is entertainment. All these niggas doing this shit, these
Speaker 1: niggas cripping extra hard and blooding extra hard. It's a costume.
Speaker 1: It's for the you know what I'm saying, so like
Speaker 1: and me coming from the real life and like shedding
Speaker 1: blood for this shit. Sweat tears years of my life,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, actually putting in work for
Speaker 1: the ship and like living it. It's like, you know
Speaker 1: that part of me is hard to turn that part
Speaker 1: of me off and accept they're separate. Yeah, accept the
Speaker 1: entertainment aspect of it. Like motherfucker's acting super hard and
Speaker 1: like they this and that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's why a lot of like real ones not
Speaker 1: in a mix, you know what I'm saying. So I've
Speaker 1: just been learning how to accept it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And you know that was probably hard, like
Speaker 1: because you're very difficult. You get into the hip hop
Speaker 1: world and like you said, there's a lot of perceived
Speaker 1: gangsters involved, but it's separate, right. It's like, look, there's
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry and then there's the other shit, and
Speaker 1: it's hard to mix both and make it because I mean, really,
Speaker 1: you're more of a target when you become a public figure,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. For sure, you're more of
Speaker 1: like you know, I mean, shit, all the rico shit
Speaker 1: that's happening, all the fucking that shit is so that
Speaker 1: shit is so fucking spooky, bro, it's insane. They could
Speaker 1: just snatch you up and say that you're doing some
Speaker 1: if they feel like it, say you're doing some criminal shit,
Speaker 1: Like who really, what successful artists or successful business man
Speaker 1: really has time to run a function in street gang
Speaker 1: or street activity. Like now, if you got tied to
Speaker 1: this shit, you can't help that. And then nine times
Speaker 1: out of ten, you're not gonna turn your back on
Speaker 1: your people. So yo, Like my presence, my presence in
Speaker 1: the street life right now with my homies and shit
Speaker 1: is just for sheer motivation and like, bro, we need
Speaker 1: to be doing this, this and this fuck that it's
Speaker 1: no life into the shit that's been going on for
Speaker 1: I just told my homie the other day, Bro, like
Speaker 1: one of my young homies, like, Bro, you're not Bro,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be special or do anything different, or
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be who you want to be doing
Speaker 1: the same shit that been going on in the hood
Speaker 1: for the last fifty years, you know what I'm saying, Like, Bro,
Speaker 1: we got homies from since sixties seventies that kill niggas
Speaker 1: and do the crazy shit and go to jail forever.
Speaker 1: Like what makes you think that you're gonna stand out
Speaker 1: and be special doing the same exact shit and we
Speaker 1: know that outcome. Bro. Yeah you already seen this movie
Speaker 1: play out. There's people who did this for you just
Speaker 1: to show you like, yeah, yo, it's decades of seeing
Speaker 1: it though. Bro. We got hundreds of homies, maybe a
Speaker 1: thousand homies in jail with life and like they wish
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have did this shit. So it's like, bro,
Speaker 1: and that's why that's why my transition into this shit,
Speaker 1: Like sometimes it's difficult, but when I look at that,
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, I could be doing this and
Speaker 1: be stuck in and out of prison. Who wants to
Speaker 1: do that? Who gives a fuck about that? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, all right, do something different?
Speaker 1: What can I bring different to the hood. So my
Speaker 1: presence is bringing that different shit and making it cool,
Speaker 1: Like all right, let's do music, let's do clothes, do
Speaker 1: all right? You water? You don't rap? Or yeah, water,
Speaker 1: you don't rap? All right? Uh, you don't even want
Speaker 1: to be in the entertainment shit. Okay, it's real estate,
Speaker 1: it's other business shit like, and it's fine. You steal
Speaker 1: a homie, you still cool, Like fuck with niggas talking
Speaker 1: about you know what I'm saying. You know what it is, manute.
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of it is there is
Speaker 1: feeling like you, like you, everyone is guilty of trying
Speaker 1: to fit in, trying to fit in and being and
Speaker 1: feel like they're included. And I had to I had
Speaker 1: a difficult time with that ship when I came into
Speaker 1: this because you know, naturally I'm in the forefront of
Speaker 1: all the ignorant shit, and then when I transition over,
Speaker 1: now I'm missing it and I'm not there, and then
Speaker 1: it's people saying slick shit when I ain't around, like
Speaker 1: that shit. Was very difficult transitioning over and being able
Speaker 1: to accept it. But it's like, once you get over
Speaker 1: into the transition, it's all worth it, because motherfucker's gonna
Speaker 1: follow success and want to be like success regardless, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Was it hard also to ignore
Speaker 1: when you hear someone saying some wild shits, Very fucking
Speaker 1: difficult because you got a lot to lose while the
Speaker 1: motherfucker probably talking crazy and got shit to lose. Bro
Speaker 1: Very difficult, and I had to realize that, like, all right,
Speaker 1: my contribution to the area, like there's always been one
Speaker 1: million from the jump, you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: I keep spot for homies to go to and shit
Speaker 1: for people to go to. So nine times out of ten,
Speaker 1: somebody lending a negative opinion about me ain't even had
Speaker 1: any contribution to the area in a positive or negative way,
Speaker 1: like in any type of way that makes a difference anyway.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that shit was like super difficult for me
Speaker 1: to uh, I hear all that shit, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And at first it was super difficult to
Speaker 1: turn the other cheek because I'm used to the action,
Speaker 1: like nigga, what's happening? But bro, I worked entirely too
Speaker 1: hard and you got a lot more to lose. Man.
Speaker 1: It's and it's not only me. Yeah, it's like a
Speaker 1: lot of people. Partner that's working with me, and he
Speaker 1: putting in these fucking hours with me, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and other people that believe in me and
Speaker 1: might be invested, and they got families, and so it's
Speaker 1: bigger than me at this point. So for me to
Speaker 1: go backwards and do some dickhead shit not only like
Speaker 1: fuck letting people down. I'm I'm fucking people shit up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And you know, people could
Speaker 1: be anywhere it's a big world. Like it's so many
Speaker 1: different ways to make money, and like the music game
Speaker 1: is like worse than a fucking Loto. You'll win a
Speaker 1: lot over before you fucking be big. And this ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, you know, I think
Speaker 1: about that too. That's some real shit. There's so many rappers.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's Spotify. There's like I
Speaker 1: forget how many songs a week it uploaded. It's something,
Speaker 1: it's something ridiculous close to them. It's a few hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: it's a lot, and you gotta think like, okay, and
Speaker 1: being able to cut through that, like to even be
Speaker 1: in the top couple hundred people or the top thousand people,
Speaker 1: like that's fucking huge. Yeah, that's that Shit's it's almost impossible, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about the g Worthy shit? G Worthy? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so the g Worthy that was another night that was crazy.
Speaker 1: So when I walked in, we walked in the studio
Speaker 1: and I was like, I had like a cold, so
Speaker 1: I got night whil trying to like open my shit up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then as soon as
Speaker 1: I walk in, this was the first night I met Cardo.
Speaker 1: We've been talking on the phone and shit, you know,
Speaker 1: Cardo he up on everything new that's up and coming,
Speaker 1: anything that's a thing, Like he just got some sense
Speaker 1: on how to like, Oh yeah, that's so he up
Speaker 1: on everything new. So this was my first time. And
Speaker 1: then just meeting them as soon as we walk in
Speaker 1: jokes bagging, I felt like we've been knowing each other
Speaker 1: for years, bros, you know what I mean. And Jay
Speaker 1: Worthy had already started on a song, so the competitiveness
Speaker 1: in me woke up inside. I'm hot, Oh this nigga?
Speaker 1: What all right? So now it's like we basically in
Speaker 1: my mind, I didn't say it out loud. I don't
Speaker 1: know what he was thinking, but every time something come on,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get on there first. That's why sometimes
Speaker 1: you hear him first, sometimes you hear me first. That's
Speaker 1: like who ate. At that time, I was still riding
Speaker 1: my wraps. And then while we're doing this Cardo, Polyester,
Speaker 1: Diamond Ortiz, they over there making the beats. So we
Speaker 1: did all all that ship in one night one night,
Speaker 1: and the next the next day we did the album cover.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Wow, So this was like
Speaker 1: a one night process, you know, what I mean, and
Speaker 1: we was just all in there, just were joking, having
Speaker 1: a good time, but just the aggressive competitive spirit was
Speaker 1: also there, and that shit was till this day. That's
Speaker 1: like some of my top streaming ship. That's what everybody
Speaker 1: you know a lot of Yeah, Cardosh got had a
Speaker 1: great run just doing full projects with people and yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, running it up Larry. He just drops up
Speaker 1: with Larry June, right, that's Friday. Yeah, Cardo was amazing. Man,
Speaker 1: he just he got something about him. Man. Yeah, Cardo,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's under appreciated too. We talk
Speaker 1: about the best producers. Yeah's Cardo definitely up there. He's
Speaker 1: up there for sure. Who are you a fan of
Speaker 1: right now? In LA? That's that you're maybe not you know,
Speaker 1: did you just not anybody who's maybe under you, but
Speaker 1: just someone who you just can acknowledge, Like, man, I
Speaker 1: really fuck with their ship. I mean I'm really I'm
Speaker 1: enjoying the whole LA scene right now. Like I love
Speaker 1: what uh, I love what rumble like rambles fire like
Speaker 1: rumble like rumble like definitely like like Draco came and
Speaker 1: changed the game, you know what I'm saying, And then
Speaker 1: I feel like rumble was taking it to like adding
Speaker 1: his twist on it. You know what I'm saying. That
Speaker 1: got everybody rapping like him, Like love what Rumbo doing.
Speaker 1: I love what Draco doing. I love what Rouchie and
Speaker 1: Shike doing. I love what a man. It's so many
Speaker 1: people like right now on the come up. That's that's
Speaker 1: out here far oh g Z killing you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I hate starting to name names because you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But uh, like I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: really a fan of the whole city, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I'm for the just La ship, Like
Speaker 1: I'm like a diehard La nigga. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, Like Draco, like the output he has is
Speaker 1: also insane. Yeah, I don't even know how many he
Speaker 1: got out last year. We interviewed him like a can'tgu
Speaker 1: I don't even think he meant on for a year yet. No,
Speaker 1: he hasn't and he's put out six albums. It's fucking insane.
Speaker 1: It's like Jesus man, Guys, it's a lot. I hope
Speaker 1: him and We're gonna have Hiking Broutchi up your next
Speaker 1: I hope they figure out their issues, you know, because
Speaker 1: I was like, the first body make more money that way?
Speaker 1: Hey for sure, man, what is next for you? Man? Uh?
Speaker 1: I got a lot of it. I got a few
Speaker 1: things on my sleeve, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: more music, another project. So like with the everything that
Speaker 1: I'm in dropping, I ain't even really spend no money
Speaker 1: on marketing at all. So the top of the year,
Speaker 1: we're just going crazy heavy marketing. I'm opening up, I'm
Speaker 1: spending the budget, you know what I mean, the top
Speaker 1: of the year. So we're just gonna finish off the
Speaker 1: year probably another project or two. I got something the
Speaker 1: collab project besides the Greed. Do you have any other
Speaker 1: any other artists you want to try to collab with them? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a few people that I'm working on
Speaker 1: and working with, you know what I mean. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be dope when we when we announce it and ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, I mean next year,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to just level everything up and then
Speaker 1: I've been shooting these short films and ship. So I
Speaker 1: got a couple of short films that I'm about to drop.
Speaker 1: Oh fire, Yeah, I want to get into the acting.
Speaker 1: I did a couple of movies. Uh, I did like
Speaker 1: two movies last year. I did a movie this year,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like some actual real movies.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Are you getting like what what?
Speaker 1: What kind of roles is are you getting? Like type
Speaker 1: casted is like the game. Yeah, the first ship I
Speaker 1: did was a It was type cast and they had
Speaker 1: me being I kind of hated it because it's like
Speaker 1: you got me playing a La dude like I'm at
Speaker 1: I'm like the epitome of La gangster. Like you don't
Speaker 1: got to tell me what to say, like that's what
Speaker 1: you do. Yeah, I'm gonna give you the raw, uncut shit.
Speaker 1: But like the last movie that I did was U
Speaker 1: and I think it might turn into a TV series,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be a real current character. Yeah, fucking
Speaker 1: Vanessa del Rio, which is like one of the first
Speaker 1: ethnic porno stars ever, Like before her, it was nothing
Speaker 1: but white girls and shit. She like Afro Latina from
Speaker 1: out the seventies, like just doing like crazy porn and
Speaker 1: should do some research. So yeah, I'm in her bio
Speaker 1: pic and oh ship, Yeah, oh that's fire. I'm in
Speaker 1: our bio pick. It's like some pictures floating around and
Speaker 1: that they promoting the movie where I got the afro
Speaker 1: and the bail bottoms and ship. So that might be
Speaker 1: that might that's the one that I end up being
Speaker 1: a series. Yeah, that's fire. Yeah, that's an interesting story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm in there doing my thing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And uh, yeah, I'm in there
Speaker 1: doing my thing and uh and then the ship that
Speaker 1: I'm working on, Like, I got a couple of movies
Speaker 1: just like type Cast, and then I got some you
Speaker 1: know that I want to expand on that because I
Speaker 1: really want to do this acting ship, bro, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, we just watched you Smoke video
Speaker 1: the other day. You were in it. That's the longest
Speaker 1: video I've seen a long time. Yeah. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: fun when we did that video too. Yeah, everybody was there.
Speaker 1: You are j I was like like, this is fire.
Speaker 1: What your like relationship? Did you have a relationship with
Speaker 1: d Smoke prior to him obviously getting the notety from
Speaker 1: being on the show. Yeah, So D Smoke actually box
Speaker 1: at Broadway Boxing Gym, and you know that's where my
Speaker 1: studio was under there and my first store was also
Speaker 1: up under there. So I met him like years before
Speaker 1: he blew up. And I didn't even know he was
Speaker 1: talented like or sung or anything. I just know he
Speaker 1: was a boxer. Nigga. That fuck nigga's up, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I remember you had a boxing
Speaker 1: match like one day that I had to pop up
Speaker 1: down there and ship and he kicked somebody ass, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then I don't know if
Speaker 1: they want us to say this yet, but me, d
Speaker 1: Smoke and David Gross actually owned that building. Now, oh
Speaker 1: congrats and in the boxing gym or spoiler alert, I
Speaker 1: hope they're not mad at fire Yeah, so we uh
Speaker 1: you bought the building so yeah yeah yeah, and we
Speaker 1: we own a Broadway boxing so it came with a business.
Speaker 1: So now you smoke business Parders yep. Oh that's fire
Speaker 1: Man yep. And the crazy thing like we were speaking
Speaker 1: on it like bro, like if the opportunity ever present itself,
Speaker 1: I love to own that building. He liked me too,
Speaker 1: And the opportunity presented itself like sixty days later, Wow,
Speaker 1: and we in there, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: the building that means a lot to both of you guys. Yeah, super,
Speaker 1: because I changed my whole life right there in that building.
Speaker 1: Like from a hunt from the valley to one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighte every day. That's where I transition into all right,
Speaker 1: out of having to do criminal ship, Like all right,
Speaker 1: and now I'm creating opportunities for people in the area.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Scrats, Man, that's huge. That's
Speaker 1: what I look. You know, that's a that's a nice investment.
Speaker 1: That's not a that's not a may back. It's a
Speaker 1: super dop investment. So and that's why I say I
Speaker 1: want to give me a may back. Man, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I made a good one. Now immunicate bad. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna uh looking to grab other properties and shit,
Speaker 1: like I gotta I got like a nice I think
Speaker 1: this is the first time of my life, Like I
Speaker 1: got a like serious future plan and it's actually like
Speaker 1: beyond possible. But the numbers is so big and crazy,
Speaker 1: like it's like I'm in a great position right now. Yes, man, congratulations,
Speaker 1: uh looking forward to the new music. Yeah, and man,
Speaker 1: thanks for pulling up man, thanks for having me