WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: ESPN's Rob Demovsky 1-on-1

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<v Speaker 1>The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>training live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the

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<v Speaker 1>Star in Frisco. Says, Hey, guys, welcome back to Talking

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys to one on one edition. Rob Phillips here for

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Cowboys dot Com and today I'm joined by a

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<v Speaker 1>man who talks Packers for a living, but he's got

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<v Speaker 1>some great insight in the Cowboys new head coach Mike

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<v Speaker 1>McCarthy's coaching style. He's Robbed Hmobski of ESPN and if

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<v Speaker 1>ESPN NFL Nation Reporter been covering the Packers for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time and covering Mike McCarthy for a long time too.

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing today, Rob? Thanks for having me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in turn of covering the Cowboys right now, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>think of anybody better to draw on experience in dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with Mike McCarthy in the past. Can you just tell

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<v Speaker 1>us how long you've been covering the Packers because it

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<v Speaker 1>dates back beyond Aaron Rodgers, beyond Mike McCarthy. Yeah, my

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<v Speaker 1>first season was nineteen ninety seven, which was the year

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<v Speaker 1>after they won the Super Bowl, and then they went

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Super Bowl my first year, lost to

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<v Speaker 1>the to the Denver Broncos. Mike McCarthy came to Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay two years later as the quarterbacks coach under Ray

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<v Speaker 1>Roads for just one year and then you know, probably

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<v Speaker 1>never thought I'd cross passed with Mike McCarthy again. And

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<v Speaker 1>five years later, six years later when they had a

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<v Speaker 1>coaching search again and behold, Mike McCarthy was the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, for us, we've because of the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>we've met Mike twice, I believe in person January when

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<v Speaker 1>he first got the job, and then at the out combine.

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<v Speaker 1>So we really haven't been able to get to know

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<v Speaker 1>him very much. Just can you tell us from your

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<v Speaker 1>experience what kind of coach and what kind of guy

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys have gotten here? Well, I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that at Starbucks, which is about mile right between his

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<v Speaker 1>house and my house, he likes the vente skinny vanilla latte.

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<v Speaker 1>The Green Bay is is an interesting place. It's obviously

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<v Speaker 1>a lot smaller than Dallas. So Mike was a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who you saw around town all the time. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he was you know, he was not just the coach

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<v Speaker 1>of the Green Bay Packers. He was Mike McCarthy, who

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<v Speaker 1>might be at a high school basketball game with one

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<v Speaker 1>of his stepsons or at the y MCA with one

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<v Speaker 1>of his daughters and they're you know, their dance classes

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<v Speaker 1>or gymnastics or whatever. So Mike is a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>is is very approachable. He's he is as I've covered

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's five or six head coaches since I've

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<v Speaker 1>covered the Packers, and he's as quote unquote normal of

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<v Speaker 1>a guy as any of them. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Holmgren was this larger than life figure. Ray Rhoads

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<v Speaker 1>was only here for for a year, so you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really know. Mike Sherman was this sort of history professor

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<v Speaker 1>kind of guy. Matt Laflours this kind of young, uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cool hip kid. And Mike McCarthy is just

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<v Speaker 1>the most regular guy of all of them. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>his his dad owned a bar in Pittsburgh for crying

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<v Speaker 1>out loud, you know, I mean, he just is, He

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<v Speaker 1>just is. He's you and me. He's the everyman. He

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<v Speaker 1>just happens to also be really smart and really good

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<v Speaker 1>with quarterbacks and offenses. But he is as as normal

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<v Speaker 1>of a guy as you're going to get in the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL head coaching business, which is not a normal business,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, absolutely not. Um. I know you did

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<v Speaker 1>the first sit down interview with him after he was

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<v Speaker 1>relieved of his duties with the Packers and twenty nine

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<v Speaker 1>and he took the year off. What can you tell

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<v Speaker 1>us just about his his mindset back then and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>how things ended in Green Bay, maybe motivating him with

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<v Speaker 1>his new job here in Dallas. Oh yeah, there's no question.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean obviously he was hurt, um, you know, disappointed

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<v Speaker 1>how it ended here. I think he knew going into

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<v Speaker 1>that last season that you know, things might change, just

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<v Speaker 1>because there had been so much change in the organization.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think there was that stingingness to not being

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<v Speaker 1>able to sort of see it through, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>end of that season. But once he got over that,

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<v Speaker 1>you could sense the hunger and the motivation and the

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<v Speaker 1>desire really to do this again. And and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in his office in probably February of that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>first off season where he was out of it, maybe March,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he would have normally gone to the combine,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't going, and he had about ten computer screens all

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<v Speaker 1>a around him and was calling up everything from quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 1>tools that he had run in Kansas City with Joe Montana,

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<v Speaker 1>and he literally showing the video of Doe Montana doing

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<v Speaker 1>five step drops and pivots too on the scret to

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<v Speaker 1>the fire right screen. There was every play that every

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<v Speaker 1>offense ran in the NFL that season, and he could

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<v Speaker 1>have cut it. He was going through him, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>concept by concept, So I mean this was this was

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who wasn't just sitting around waiting for an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>He was sitting around preparing for the next opportunity. And um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know that he in his in

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<v Speaker 1>his heart of hearts, ever thought he could be so

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<v Speaker 1>lucky to coach the Cowboys. I mean, because you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about going from the Green Bay Packers to the Dallas Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think he knew he was going to get

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<v Speaker 1>another opportunity. Again, I just don't know that Dallas was

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<v Speaker 1>ever like, you know, he ever thought, Oh, of the Dallas,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the one I'm gonna get, right, He obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers from six through eighteen until the end. Near the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the eighteen season, he did talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's two different iconic franchises. He's going from one

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<v Speaker 1>to the other, and now he's working with the Jones family,

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones. How do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>will work in terms of decision making collaborating based on

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<v Speaker 1>how it worked in Green Bay? Obviously it's a different dynamic.

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<v Speaker 1>Right to be honest, I think it's everything that he

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<v Speaker 1>wants because in Green Bay he had to be the

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<v Speaker 1>face of everything. Ted Thompson was the general manager, very

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<v Speaker 1>good personnel guy, but not a public facing figure. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean Ted when they went going back all the way

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<v Speaker 1>to the Brett fire saga where five wanted to come

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<v Speaker 1>back and Ted Thompson had drafted Aaron Rodgers and wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to move on. I mean Mike McCarthy maybe wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>main decision maker on that stuff, but he had to

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<v Speaker 1>be the four. He had to answer all the questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Same thing when when Ted would make free agent moves

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<v Speaker 1>or not make free agent moves, which was something they

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<v Speaker 1>very rarely did, and Mike always had to answer for

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<v Speaker 1>everything in the organization. As you know, there's no owner here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a publicly owned team. The team president Mark Murphy

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<v Speaker 1>essentially acts as the owner, but his philosophy, he was

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<v Speaker 1>always to, you know, not be out in front. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know in talking to Mike he said, the next opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it's going to have to be more of

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<v Speaker 1>a group effort in terms of how things are presented publicly.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this it's a great opportunity for him because

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<v Speaker 1>he can really focus on the coaching aspect and the

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<v Speaker 1>managing of a team, which is what he's best at.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, Jerry and Stephen can be the forward

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<v Speaker 1>facing people, but when it comes to the fans and

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<v Speaker 1>the and the media media especially, Mike doesn't always have

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<v Speaker 1>to answer questions for things that he didn't have say

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<v Speaker 1>over interesting, very interesting. One ask you a couple of questions,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe on the philosophy side, for as a coach on

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<v Speaker 1>the field that you referenced you said he's really good

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<v Speaker 1>with quarterbacks. We know that you mentioned Montana going all

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<v Speaker 1>the way back to when he was a young assistant.

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<v Speaker 1>Got the end of tail end of Brett Farn's career.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know Aaron Rodgers deserves the bulk of the

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<v Speaker 1>credit for what's going to be a Hall of Fame

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<v Speaker 1>career at the end of it, But what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a teacher is he as a two quarterbacks for fans

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<v Speaker 1>that quarter Yeah, his quarterback school is legendary really. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like just watching him work with Montana, watching him work

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<v Speaker 1>with Aaron Brooks in New Orleans. I mean he really

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<v Speaker 1>helped mold Aaron Brooks, who was a mid round pick,

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<v Speaker 1>a fourth round pick, I believe by the Packers traded

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<v Speaker 1>him to New Orleans, and he took Aaron Brooks because

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<v Speaker 1>remember he was Jim Haslett was the head coach there

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<v Speaker 1>in New Orleans, and Jim Haslett was a defensive guy,

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<v Speaker 1>so Mike was basically head coach of the offense, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, really turned Brooks into a good quarterback. I

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<v Speaker 1>think people forget about five is the year before Mike

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<v Speaker 1>got to Green Bay. Five was a disaster. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he had thrown twenty nine picks. They went four and twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone thought five had just gone off the rails

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<v Speaker 1>and there was no raining him back in. And two

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<v Speaker 1>years later he had five. I think he had cut

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<v Speaker 1>his interceptions from twenty nine to thirteen. They've gone. They

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<v Speaker 1>went to the NFC Championship game, and he really rained

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<v Speaker 1>him in. All the while he and his staff were

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<v Speaker 1>working to prepare Rogers for you know, I mean, remember

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<v Speaker 1>when Aaron Rodgers came out, he carried that ball like

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<v Speaker 1>way up here by his ear and it was such

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<v Speaker 1>a weird throwing formation, and McCarthy and his offensive staff

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<v Speaker 1>really changed that. So he is very detail oriented. He

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<v Speaker 1>if I've heard him say it once, I've heard him

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<v Speaker 1>say it a thousand times. It's all about the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he's told us too, that he's got to

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<v Speaker 1>build the offense to fit the quarter back. And obviously

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<v Speaker 1>Dak Prescott is in the news down here, was staying

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<v Speaker 1>a franchise tag, and everything tied to the Cowboys right

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<v Speaker 1>now is how to set everything up to have Dak

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<v Speaker 1>has as much successive as possibly can. So obviously a

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<v Speaker 1>big reason why Mike was hired. Um sticking with the

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<v Speaker 1>offense a little bit. I know Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore

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<v Speaker 1>is still the offensive coordinator. Mike, I'm sure have a

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<v Speaker 1>have a hint in what's called. He's got a reputation

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<v Speaker 1>in Green Bay in the past as as more of

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<v Speaker 1>a pass oriented play caller. Makes sense with Aaron Rodgers

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<v Speaker 1>as your quarterback, m how fair is that? And do

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<v Speaker 1>you think you know was that more of a personnel

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<v Speaker 1>matter for him while he was coaching in Green Bay.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at it, they never had a Zeke Elliot,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. I mean, who does. I guess there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of people do. But they never really

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<v Speaker 1>had like a workhorse running back. I mean they had

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<v Speaker 1>in the late two thousands. In the two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>ten with the Super Bowl team, they had Ryan Grant

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<v Speaker 1>who had a couple of thousand yard seasons. They had

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Lacy in the two thirteen fourteen type range. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a thousand yard back. But but Mike, Mike believe

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<v Speaker 1>that if you don't have a guy that can carry

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<v Speaker 1>it twenty five times a day a game, and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to wear a guy out who may not

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<v Speaker 1>be able to handle that physically, then you don't do

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<v Speaker 1>it till the end of the season. But go look

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<v Speaker 1>at his record from December on through the playoffs. They

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<v Speaker 1>really did become a running team later in the year.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the run of the Super Bowl. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they were decimated by injuries and they ended up with

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<v Speaker 1>James Starks, a rookie, and in one of those playoff

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<v Speaker 1>games he had over one hundred yards. I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>if it was the wildcard game. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>a wildcard game against Philadelphia. I have Philadelphia. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of turned into that a little bit so

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<v Speaker 1>he can morph into it. But he believes in the

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<v Speaker 1>West Coast system, quick passes, winning matchups. There's not a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of scheming guys to get open, so you better

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<v Speaker 1>have good receivers, and Dallas does. I mean, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>question about that. So I do think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit the personnel he had to work with here,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also think they gave him the personnel that

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<v Speaker 1>fit his offense. It's a little bit of a two

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<v Speaker 1>way three. But I'm really curious to see, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how they do become, how his offense does more. When

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<v Speaker 1>you have a running back by Galliot who is so dominant,

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<v Speaker 1>it will be interesting. And he said, you know, Zeke's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a huge part of it. If you go back,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess to the Saints days when he was the

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<v Speaker 1>OC there. Ricky Williams was a guy that got three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred carries a season, so you can trace it back

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<v Speaker 1>beyond Green Bay. I guess one last one for you.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of uncertainty about the NFL right now with

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<v Speaker 1>the training camp hoping to start on time. I was

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<v Speaker 1>wondering what you thought about the way Mike handled the lockout,

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<v Speaker 1>which I guess is the only comparable situation in the

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<v Speaker 1>last ten years leading into I believe twenty eleven, and

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<v Speaker 1>how we handled that, and how do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>might be able to where he can prepare his guys

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<v Speaker 1>as best as possible with no rule off season. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember talking to Mike in late June early July that summer,

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<v Speaker 1>so similar time to right now, and they still didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know when they were going to come back. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a It was at one of his charity golf outings,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, he goes, the team that figures out

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<v Speaker 1>how to get ready quickest is going to have the

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<v Speaker 1>best chance. And that season the Packers went fifteen and one.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they came out of the gates and they

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<v Speaker 1>were coming off the Super Bowl, so obviously had a

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<v Speaker 1>really good team. And I remember all the criticism that

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<v Speaker 1>Rogers and the offensive guy's face because they didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>twity workouts on their own, like I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they were I know, I remember they were. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Brady and a bunch of the top quarterbacks, Roethlisberger,

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<v Speaker 1>they were holding these workouts and Packers never did anything.

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<v Speaker 1>The players never did it, and they go out in

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<v Speaker 1>Week one. They opened in that Thursday night, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>NFL opener because they were the Super Bowl chance. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they scored forty two points in the Saints, and

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<v Speaker 1>I remember Rogers saying, well, a boy, maybe if we

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<v Speaker 1>would have got had some offseason workouts, we might have

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<v Speaker 1>been better on offense. Forty two points and they hit

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<v Speaker 1>the ground running. The one thing you'll know about Mike

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<v Speaker 1>and get to learn about him is he is ultra,

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<v Speaker 1>ultra detailed when it comes to scheduling. He's always tweaking things.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they know they had a lot of success

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<v Speaker 1>here for I mean what they made the playoffs eight

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<v Speaker 1>straight years, and I'd be willing to say that six

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<v Speaker 1>of those eight years they used a different type of

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<v Speaker 1>practice schedule, training camp schedule. Things never stayed the same.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that will benefit the Cowboys in this

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<v Speaker 1>because he's been through every possible situation as far as

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<v Speaker 1>preparing a team, and he'll he'll admit some years they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't come out of the camp ready to go. There

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<v Speaker 1>were plenty of years. I can remember the ri E

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<v Speaker 1>Lax season, the relax where Rogers said, hey, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be fine. They were one and two and they ended

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<v Speaker 1>up going to the NFC Championship game that was twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>So he'll figure it out one way or another. He

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<v Speaker 1>will definitely do it. He spent the bulk of his

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<v Speaker 1>time in Green Bay, about two miles from where I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sitting right now, and I have the opportunity to see

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<v Speaker 1>inside of his home office, and I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>it looks it looks like he could run practice right

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<v Speaker 1>out in his front yard because he's got everything set up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he had everything set up like he was

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<v Speaker 1>in the Star working on everything that they needed to

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<v Speaker 1>do well. You've actually been closer to him part of

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<v Speaker 1>this offseason because he's still been back in Green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>doing some virtual work with the offseason program. Rob really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the time. Thanks for joining us today. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>have a great year, guys. It's Rob Demoski of ESPN

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<v Speaker 1>covering the Packers. You can check out his work on

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<v Speaker 1>ESPN dot com. Thanks for joining us, guys,