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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Call lighta Health. Welcome

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Speaker 1: into the show today today, everybody, I'm Steve Tasker. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined today by Chris Trapasso. Chris Brown's gonna be out

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Speaker 1: for the day. We're here to talk with you and

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Speaker 1: invite you into the show. Actually today we're gonna start

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Speaker 1: the conversation early because we're gonna go over the bills roster.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go over the draft. We're gonna go over

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Speaker 1: Chris Trapasso's evaluation, some of the players, your scenarios. We'll

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Speaker 1: get into a little bit of the draft value chart

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Speaker 1: and where the Bills could trade up trade down to.

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Speaker 1: And we're asking you you know what your thoughts are.

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Speaker 1: If you want to chime in on the conversation, you

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Speaker 1: can call us at eight or three zero five point

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Speaker 2: I got it is.

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Speaker 1: That's right right cle you look, Chris, thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 1: We haven't talked to you haven't been around since the combine.

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Speaker 1: I know, listen, I know I'm not that guy, but

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Speaker 1: you are watching it. I don't grind film, So you know,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about We're going to talk to

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Speaker 1: start out with, first of all, welcome, thanks for coming in.

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Speaker 1: For sure, appreciate you. You're kind of our You're on a

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Speaker 1: short list of people week.

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Speaker 2: I'm the practice squad call up right.

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Speaker 1: That's right, you're game day active. So what are your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on the Bills. I mean, they draft, they signed

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Speaker 1: two guys today, Austin Johnson and now DeShawn Williams. They

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Speaker 1: signed a couple of defensive linemen, so they're starting to

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Speaker 1: they're filling in the holes.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's exactly what Brandon being talked about at the

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Speaker 2: owners meetings that he said that the Bills went into

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Speaker 2: this offseason with the defensive line being the biggest priority,

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Speaker 2: with Ed Oliver was the only guy that was signed

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Speaker 2: through the twenty twenty four season. And we've talked about

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Speaker 2: it on this show a lot. Sean McDermott, in his

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Speaker 2: history as a defensive coordinator and a head coach here

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Speaker 2: coach in the league. So I think McDermott and Brandon

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Speaker 2: Bean went into the start of free agency thinking, all right,

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Speaker 2: we have the draft, but we need to sign some players.

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Speaker 2: And Austin Johnson is that big run plugger who had

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Speaker 2: probably his best game of the season against the Bills

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Speaker 2: late last season, has the connection to Daikwon Jones. Coming

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Speaker 2: spots that Deshaun phill Oh, my Goshian Williams play.

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Speaker 1: Here's Bill's mafia love this guy. DeShawn Williams is the

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Speaker 1: guy who has been He's been cut ten times, practice

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Speaker 1: squad Canadian Football League back into the NFL. He was

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Speaker 1: working at an Amazon warehouse loading trucks, trying to work out,

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Speaker 1: he's waiting on a chance to get called up and

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Speaker 1: it finally happens. He's been he's played in Let me

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Speaker 1: just check make sure. He's played in sixty six games

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Speaker 1: and played had forty four starts, and he has been

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Speaker 1: a grinder. He has been all over the National.

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Speaker 2: Football rechiever for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he got cut by the Broncos like six times.

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Speaker 1: Got cut by my friend Frank Reich down in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: after being on the practice squad there. It was on

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. So He's a really tremendous story. He signs

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Speaker 1: a one year deal here with the Buffalo Bills. Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Williams new defensive tackle. So they've signed DeShawn Williams. They

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Speaker 1: signed Austin Johnson yesterday day Kwon Jones back on the field,

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Speaker 1: Ajpanessa back in the fold. You got Vaughn, You've got

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Speaker 2: It's really what they needed to do going into to

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Speaker 2: me into this draft, it's a pretty top heavy EDG

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Speaker 2: end up being good pros. But it's not loaded at

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Speaker 2: they had to bring in some guys and re signing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and certainly, you know with the to Samuel's signing,

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Speaker 2: Bean as a general manager is still learning on the job.

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Speaker 2: It's constantly evolving that you go back to twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: it was clear like the Bills still needed a cornerback

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Speaker 2: to trade up for Kyrie Elam. That ultimately didn't work out,

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Speaker 2: But it was like, oh, they still need a corner.

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Speaker 2: But there was a scenario two, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: a good point on the magnitude of the Curtis Samuel

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Speaker 2: we never really address wide receiver. That we lose Gabe

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Speaker 2: signing the fact that he had his best season, most

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Speaker 2: twenty with Joe Brady as the offensive coordinator. He brings

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Speaker 2: lacking from Gabe Davis. As you're kind of defacto wide receiver. Two,

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Speaker 2: And that's the my way to approach it.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this though, too, and I hadn't thought about

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Speaker 1: this guy. Now it's a luxury and I won't say luxury,

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Speaker 1: Now now it's like you could make the case and

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Speaker 1: you got Steph Diggs who played extremely well all the

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I am just in a way different place. I'm still

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Speaker 2: It kind of feels like anything that the Bills get

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Speaker 2: Curtis Samuel, what I like about him in my instant

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Speaker 2: seasons that he has been healthy, fifty four catches, seventy

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Speaker 1: Like and here's the difference. You're thinking, Curtis Samuel's going

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not an emergency. I think one of the

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Speaker 1: I mean, so let's we can talk about that right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think if they're gonna stay if they

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot.

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Speaker 2: If Jackson Powers Johnson is there and there's five receivers

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Speaker 2: He's built like a guard. He's like six three three thirty. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Brandon being talked about it. The trenches certainly matter, so

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Speaker 1: Right, So you gotta you gotta know too that if

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Speaker 2: From tast oliver type rusher.

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Speaker 2: I even think edge rusher too if Chop Robinson, the

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking too that given the state of the

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Speaker 1: I could see them doing that. Given the up They're

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Speaker 2: No, and I've been for as much as I have

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Speaker 2: They picked Samuel, who is a very consistent wide receiver

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Speaker 2: edge rusher position, Gregory Russo is gonna be up for

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Speaker 2: a big deal. Even if von Miller returns to form.

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Speaker 2: But is he someone that is going to be a

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Speaker 2: like you're saying at receiver planning for the future, to say,

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Speaker 2: all right, what is this group going to look like

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Speaker 1: All right, Steve Tasker, Chris Trapasso here with one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 1: We're here till three o'clock taking your calls, and we'll

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Speaker 1: just we'll do that here in this first this first one.

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Speaker 1: Jim from buff from Buffalo, All right, I'm new, I'm

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Speaker 1: you're you're getting what you get. You're getting what you

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Speaker 1: get here with me coasting the show. I hope. I

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Speaker 1: hate the right buttons on this phone thing. Jim, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: what's what's on your mind?

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Speaker 5: Hey guys?

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Speaker 6: If the Bills would stay put at their worded draft

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Speaker 5: First round, would Lad McConkie Bills what they wanted wide

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, they would, And thanks Jim, thanks for

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Speaker 1: the call, and Chris has got his own opinion about it.

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Speaker 1: I say, yeah, I think he's a little redundant. I

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Speaker 1: McConkie at this stage, but I don't know. McConkie might

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Speaker 1: be a little faster. Chris, what do you think about that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the redundancy skill wise makes sense. And

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Speaker 2: Brandon Bean's comments at the owners meeting saying that the

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Speaker 2: Bills wanted something that they didn't have at the receiver spot.

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Speaker 2: They want a little more size, a little more power,

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Speaker 2: John Brown was later in his career. It was just

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Speaker 2: all about getting open. So I think that there's a

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Speaker 2: chance that these new set of eyes in the you know,

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Speaker 2: assistant coaching rooms maybe prioritize something new, and maybe Joe

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Speaker 2: Brady coming in saying, look, this is my first fall

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Speaker 2: off season as the offensive coordinator. We want this differently.

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Speaker 2: But from afar, I would say that, yes, Land McConkie,

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Speaker 2: like when I'm just evaluating the class, he's a top

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Speaker 2: twenty player to me. But yes, he is similar to

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Speaker 2: what Diggs does, similar to what curtis though.

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Speaker 1: I'm all about a guy that can get open.

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Speaker 2: He can get open and catch it, and he's good

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Speaker 2: after the catcher. Seeing these highlights here for those who

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Speaker 2: are watching, he's good after the catch.

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Speaker 1: I say this too. If Gabe Davis was a seventy

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Speaker 1: five catch percentage on targets, he'd still be here for sure.

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Speaker 1: That is why he's not here. You need guys that

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Speaker 1: can catch it and getting open. His key to that,

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Speaker 1: and particularly I think with a quarterback of lu the

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Speaker 1: style of Josh. Josh is a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: free wheeler and he's gonna gun it in there. It's

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Speaker 1: not gonna be pinpoint actor. He's not like a Tua

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Speaker 1: where it's gonna come out on time and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be on But Josh can make throws guys can't, and

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Speaker 1: he's gonna attempt throws guys can't. If you got guys

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Speaker 1: running open, you got a bigger chance of getting the

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Speaker 1: football from Josh and catching it. I'm not averse to

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Speaker 1: McConkey at all.

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Speaker 2: I'm not in verse any of the most of these

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Speaker 2: they stay put at twenty eight like it.

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Speaker 1: In fact, that's that's I'm about two things. One get

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Speaker 1: a guy that can run routes, and two a guy

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Speaker 1: that's got some physical attributes. And mconkey's fast and he

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Speaker 1: gets open. So that's a couple of attributes that you

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Speaker 1: really love.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So like the mini scouting report on him, he

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Speaker 2: ran sub four four, so he has like he has

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Speaker 2: pretty good speed. Definitely is a separator. He did it

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Speaker 2: in the SEC for three seasons and after the catch.

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Speaker 2: Watch any highlight reel, watch just a full Georgia game,

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Speaker 2: and you'll see taking Slans, creating after the catch, bouncing

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Speaker 2: off tacklers, making guys mess the negatives with him. He's

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Speaker 2: well under one hundred and ninety pounds, which we're kind

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Speaker 2: of seeing the NFL is okay with that really short

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Speaker 2: arms in small hands, so he's not a big catch

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Speaker 2: radius guy, which we know Josh Allen likes to kind

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Speaker 2: of just let his receivers go up and get it.

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Speaker 2: But to Steve's point, Josh Allen is the second best

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Speaker 2: quarterback in the NFL in my opinion, not because of

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Speaker 2: his anticipation skills. He's not a Drew Brees that's making

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Speaker 2: the throws way before. He doesn't need to. He can

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Speaker 2: throw the ball at seventy miles an hour, so he does. Probably.

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Speaker 2: He and Patrick Mahomes, ironically the two best quarterbacks in

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Speaker 2: the league to me, aren't big anticipation guys, but they're

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Speaker 2: freaks with their arm strength and their arm talent. So

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Speaker 2: I do think if Josh is in kind of the

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Speaker 2: war room, so to speak, to say, hey, maybe find

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Speaker 2: someone that can get open. Lad McConkie just staying put,

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Speaker 2: we don't trade any future picks. The Bills could think

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Speaker 2: this is someone who's gonna get open and does kind

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Speaker 2: of have that maybe future wide receiver one ability down

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Speaker 2: the road.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll see. And I like him. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: a good player, and I and he's one of them.

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Speaker 1: There's a ton of guys maybe and we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: We've got some sound bites that Josh went on and

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Speaker 1: did a little podcast with a quarterback guy that we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have some sound bites from, and Josh lists off

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Speaker 1: like ten wide receivers. All of those guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to help. And listen, the Bills have a

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Speaker 1: void there if you know, they're gonna get some guys

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Speaker 1: rotating in whoever they pick there. If it is a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver where there's McConkie all the way up to

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Speaker 1: Roma Dunsay and all those other jokers that have no

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Speaker 1: shot at coming to Buffalo, but those they're all gonna help.

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Speaker 1: And there's a there's a long list of guys who

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Speaker 1: I think who are gonna be good enough in the

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Speaker 1: NFL to help this team. The question is which one

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Speaker 1: is going to be available, which one of the Bills

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Speaker 1: have rated highest, and what other factors that are in

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Speaker 1: there that we don't know anything about. But I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: If they pick McConkie.

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Speaker 2: Just at twenty eight, just stay pup.

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Speaker 1: He'll he'll help. I mean, I don't know if he's

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Speaker 1: going to be, you know, a huge cog in the machine,

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Speaker 1: but the guy's going to show up at times on

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Speaker 1: the thing.

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Speaker 2: Let's take her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a let's take another call and go

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Speaker 1: to Gary in Lancaster. Gary, your hold on. There we go. Gary,

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Speaker 1: you're you're on with Steve and Chris. Go ahead, Yes, yep, yeah,

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Speaker 1: go ahead Gary.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll say not McConkie. But other words, we have

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Speaker 6: to remember we have this is Brady's first year as

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Speaker 6: a coordinator in the draft. He's got a different philosophy.

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Speaker 6: He must have different ideas, and it's gonna evolve. Josh

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Speaker 6: is gonna evolve. Our defense under mctimo's gonna evolve. So

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Speaker 6: wh's wing to plug people in exactly where we had

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Speaker 6: guys last year and going, oh my god, we lost those.

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Speaker 6: But maybe they're changing their philosophies about who they have

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Speaker 6: in personnel and utilizing it. So wide receiver especially now

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Speaker 6: may not be their biggest need. I mean, with Samuel

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Speaker 6: take the best player. We don't need a McConkie.

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Speaker 3: We need it.

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Speaker 6: We need a freak guy that will go crazy. Otherwise,

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Speaker 6: we have Cook Kincaid, who's a jet knife also a

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Speaker 6: Swiss Army knife. We have Samuels the Swiss Army knife

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Speaker 6: and digs, and we have guys that can get the catches.

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Speaker 6: How many receiver receptions are going to have look at

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Speaker 6: those guys. If they all catch you know, five six

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Speaker 6: hundred balls, that's a lot of catches. So I have

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Speaker 6: to think we have to look at especially from the

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Speaker 6: coaching perspective. Even defense, they're looking at changing the what

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Speaker 6: they do based around personnel and maybe philosophy. So we

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Speaker 6: can't just plug in players. That's interesting need of the

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Speaker 6: yeah we need this guy. We're not gonna get this guy.

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Speaker 6: We're not gonna get a Greg Floyd, not gonna walk

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Speaker 6: in here. We're gonna get another guy and change what

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Speaker 6: we do. And that's that's the beauty of this is

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Speaker 6: it's gonna evolve differently. And I think with the way

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Speaker 6: Bean's been doing this is he and they and mcdermots,

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Speaker 6: they take what they have and they utilize it and

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Speaker 6: that's probably their strength. So I'm hoping they just I

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Speaker 6: don't know what their plan is, uh uh, the plans

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Speaker 6: to win, but we'll see what they do filling in

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Speaker 6: the schemes they got. And I think Brady, given the

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Speaker 6: whole season he was he was handed the ball in

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Speaker 6: the middle season. Now don't and and Stephen, because you know,

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Speaker 6: here you go, you're in charge. Oh, Now he's had

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Speaker 6: a season to change and think of what he wants

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Speaker 6: to do and say and say, Sean, I want to

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Speaker 6: do this. I need a player to do this and

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Speaker 6: design plays. So you might need a different player. You

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Speaker 6: might use cooking a different way. You might say the digs,

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Speaker 6: he digs, they're getting seventy five catches. Sorry, but they're

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Speaker 6: gonna be great. But we're gonna do a different offense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, Gary, those are Gary, those are all

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Speaker 1: good points. And I'll say you this. You're right. Joe

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Speaker 1: Brady might have a different voice than Ken Dorsey did

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Speaker 1: last year or Brian Dable did the year before.

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Speaker 2: What he wants.

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Speaker 1: Joe Brady might have a different opinion and steer them

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Speaker 1: in a different direction when they get down to it

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Speaker 1: and say this guy or this guy, what do you think?

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Speaker 1: But I'll say this too, Gary. Yeah, everybody wants Julio Jones,

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Speaker 1: everybody wants Calvin Johnson. You ain't getting him at twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: You gotta make you gotta make some choices, and certainly

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Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna take the way this works. We've

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Speaker 1: said it a million times. It's all a projection. We're

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Speaker 1: all trying to tell the future, and you're never it's

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Speaker 1: never accurate, But you try and go with what you

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Speaker 1: know about players in the NFL and players you've seen

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Speaker 1: and players you've evaluated, and now players available out of

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Speaker 1: a small pool, which one is gonna be the best pro,

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Speaker 1: whether he's a Steph Diggs kind of guy, or whether

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Speaker 1: he's a Julio Jones kind of guy, or whether he's

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Speaker 1: a Cole Beasley kind of guy, who's gonna be the

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Speaker 1: best pro and you that's the one you take, no

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Speaker 1: matter what he does, because then you call plays that

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Speaker 1: lets him do what he does. That's Joe Brady's job.

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Speaker 2: And to me, just this last point on this topic,

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Speaker 2: that's absolutely right. And with the Bills, what's interesting to

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Speaker 2: me is the draft navigation. Do you trade future picks

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Speaker 2: and get a Brian Thomas and say we think Brian

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Speaker 2: Thomas is pick sixty and next year's first better than

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Speaker 2: let's say Lad McConkey, or is if you're worthy, or

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Speaker 2: Javon Baker. That's where I think it's really fascinating to

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Speaker 2: see how the Bills kind of think of a disparity

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Speaker 2: between these wide receivers in terms of their cost.

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Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna take a break. Christoph Passo, Steve

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Speaker 1: Tasker here on One Bill's Live. We'll be back right

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Speaker 1: after the break. We're gonna talk more about the state

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Speaker 1: of the Bills roster. We'll take your phone calls and

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Speaker 1: some more of your phone calls, and we will also

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about scenarios that may or

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Speaker 1: may not lead to a wide receiver in the first

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Speaker 1: round of the NFL Draft at twenty eight. Stay with us.

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Speaker 7: I know you're looking at draft guys. I know you

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Speaker 7: always look at draft receivers. Who's a couple of guys

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Speaker 7: you love coming out in the draft this year receiver wise? Yeah,

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Speaker 7: receivers at where you're picking Lton right twenty eight, twenty.

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Speaker 8: Nine out like the guys that probably won't be there,

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Speaker 8: you can like them. Yeah, Like I think the the

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Speaker 8: top three guys Milik Neighbors, Romo Dunn's and Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 8: Junr are all three pretty great prospects. And then you

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Speaker 8: get to that kind of second, second ish tier, if

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Speaker 8: you will, of Brian Thomas, Adam and I Mitchell. I

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Speaker 8: think Keyon, Coleman, Troy Franklin, Xavier Worthy are all there?

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Speaker 2: Xavierly Guet? Who did you guys? Hear them talk?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: What was it?

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Speaker 8: He's got the biggest Southern draw I've ever loved. That

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Speaker 8: is he seems like I love it. I'll tell you

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Speaker 8: what to watch these guys at the combine, some big, fast,

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Speaker 8: big tall, heavy fast dudes like it was pretty impressive

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Speaker 8: to watch.

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Speaker 1: So, Larry you have that's Josh Allen talking about all

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Speaker 1: the wide receivers they're gonna be happening in this draft.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, shockingly enough, Josh is on the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver trade too, right, So yeah, it's interesting. And

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Speaker 1: you had a mock draft come out just this past

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Speaker 1: week and you had the Bills trading up into the

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Speaker 1: nineteenth spot with the Rams to get a Brian Thomas junior,

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Speaker 1: which I gotta agree with you. If you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: that guy, that's about how far you're gonna have to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like the Jaguars at seventeen and then

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals at eighteen. If Brian Thomas Junior from

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Speaker 2: LSU gets past those two teams, which I think it

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Speaker 2: is somewhat of a possibility, especially after the Bengals heap

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Speaker 2: T Higgins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're also gonna they're gonna need to.

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Speaker 2: Tackle Yeah badly. So if he's there, I think it's doable.

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Speaker 2: And it feels like man from twenty eight to nineteen.

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Speaker 2: There's a bunch of different draft boards out there, but

647
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: it's not gonna cost you know, next year's first and

648
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: a second and a third. It wouldn't cost that much

649
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: for the Bills to get from twenty eight to nineteen.

650
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: And I'll kind of segue from what Josh mentioned. He said, big, heavy, fast,

651
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: wide receivers. Brian Thomas sixty three two oh six ran

652
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: in the low four threes four to three four. I

653
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: believe just blew the doors off the combine right and

654
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: was outstanding as that second fiddle. Two. Malik Neighbors last

655
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: season at LSU. Great after the catch, physicality you're seeing

656
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: here on the highlights. He catches everything great in the

657
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: red zone, will go up and get it like a rebounder.

658
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: He fits what Brandon Bean mentioned at the owners meetings

659
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Speaker 2: that what we talked about in the first segment, that

660
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Speaker 2: he would get the Bills what they don't really have

661
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: they have mc collins, who is tall. He's sixty four

662
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: to two hundred pounds, But again, I don't think the

663
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: Bills signed him or expect mccollins to be a big

664
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Speaker 2: part of the offense. If you're looking at Curtis Samuel Khalil,

665
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Speaker 2: Shakierri like you mentioned, and uh Steph Diggs, that's all

666
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Speaker 2: six foot, one hundred and eighty pounds in under he's

667
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Speaker 2: Brian Thomas is different, but he gives you that serious

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Speaker 2: vertical colun.

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Speaker 1: So here's here's and me Brownie will tell you. I'm

670
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Speaker 1: a big draft value chart guy. So if the Bills

671
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Speaker 1: want to go from twenty eight tonight to nineteen, they would.

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Speaker 1: They would bundle the twenty eighth pick and their sixtieth pick,

673
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Speaker 1: their first and second round pick to get up there

674
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Speaker 1: to do it, but they would get back probably could

675
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Speaker 1: probably talk La into giving him back pick number ninety nine.

676
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's their third rounder. So essentially what it would

677
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: do second third rounder, what it would do for the

678
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: for the Rams is just essentially say we'll move back

679
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Speaker 2: nine selections in the first round, let you pick whoever

680
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Speaker 2: you want, let you pick Brian Thomas, and then we're

681
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Speaker 2: gonna move up almost forty picks in the third round.

682
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Speaker 2: That's essentially all it would be. That is even. I've

683
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Speaker 2: checked multiple draft trade charts. That's why I put it

684
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Speaker 2: in my mock any trades that I put in a

685
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: mock draft, I want to make it reasonable. They're all

686
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: there's about three or four draft value trade charts that's

687
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: all about pretty even that that it would be twenty

688
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: eight and sixty for nineteen and ninety nine. So I

689
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: think that would be kind of like a no brainer

690
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: for the Bills to keep a third round pick and

691
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: get Brian time.

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Speaker 1: Well, they get back into the third round. They don't

693
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Speaker 1: have exactly, so they would get you know or yes, yes,

694
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Speaker 1: that's right, so they would Yeah, so that gets them

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Speaker 1: back in now. Also, LA's also got the eighty third

696
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Speaker 1: pick in the third round, so they're not going to

697
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Speaker 1: be completely backed out of that either, so they're gonna

698
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Speaker 1: have a They're going to gain a pick on top

699
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Speaker 1: of the one they already have. The Bills would obviously

700
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Speaker 1: go from the nineteenth pick all the way until that

701
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Speaker 1: get them back into the third round, and they'd pick

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Speaker 1: on ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's a win win that would be

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Speaker 2: they can do that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And is that Brownie a big Brian Thomas guy too,

707
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

708
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he loves that he's on the white board. He's

709
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Speaker 1: been on the white board for two months.

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Speaker 2: And for me too. I mean I was just talking

711
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Speaker 2: to our producer Jay about this during the break that

712
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: Joe Brady was at LSU famously with Joe Burrow and

713
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: Jamaar Chase and Justin Jefferson new coaching staff, different guys there,

714
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: but he's got a connection in that area. He was

715
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Speaker 2: with the Saints before Ronald Curry, the new quarterback coach

716
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Speaker 2: in New Orleans. The Saints and LSU, they have such

717
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: a strong connection there those two football program or football

718
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: team in the program, that it wouldn't shock me if

719
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Speaker 2: Joe Brady has some extra intel on Brian Thomas. And

720
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Speaker 2: if you look back at the history of Brandon Bean's drafts.

721
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's just coming out and telling the

722
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Speaker 2: Bill's trade secrets. I think he's pretty tight lipped. But

723
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Speaker 2: when he has come out and said, hey, like we're

724
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Speaker 2: looking after the AFC title game when they couldn't get

725
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: to Patrick Mahlmes, he came out and said, like, we

726
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Speaker 2: need to add to the pass rush. They draft Greg

727
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Speaker 2: Russo and Boogie Basherman first and second round and twoenty

728
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Speaker 2: twenty one. Before Kyer Elom's pick in twenty twenty two,

729
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: he was repeatedly like, Hey, we need a corner, We

730
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 2: need a corner. Tray White's coming off an injury where

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Speaker 2: he's kind of he just said, we need a big

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Speaker 2: body guy that's not redundant, that brings a different element

733
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Speaker 2: yards after the catching size and the vertical element. To me,

734
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Speaker 2: that just speaks directly to Brian Thomas from Elisu.

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Speaker 1: So it could happen, and I think it's a it's

736
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Speaker 1: a plausible thing because we've been talking about it. You

737
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Speaker 1: bundle twenty eight and sixty. Where would it get you?

738
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Speaker 1: And that's right in the wheelhouse of where it would be.

739
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Speaker 1: But I think you're right when you look at the

740
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Speaker 1: big board. The one the spot you're worried about is

741
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Speaker 1: the late teens with Jacksonville and Cincinnati coming back and

742
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Speaker 1: getting them out of there. But Cincinnati I'm not so

743
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: worried about because signed T. Higgins right and Jacksonville am.

744
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: Let's go to the phones. Jim in South Buffalo. Let's

745
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: see what he has to say. Hold on, there we go, Jim,

746
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Speaker 1: you're on with Steve and Chris. Go ahead, thank you.

747
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Speaker 2: Thanks, all right.

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Speaker 9: I would like to talk about the live receiver that

749
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 9: we do have, that we've gassed it last year on

750
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 9: starter and now he was angered, but he's a very

751
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Speaker 9: tau guy. I think he'll benefit what this year. And

752
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Speaker 9: my other point was I think we need the past

753
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 9: in the cornerback so we have maturing over the next

754
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Speaker 9: sep of years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ask for Justin Shorter. I think you're totally right

756
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: that I mentioned that the Bills don't have the size

757
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: in the wide receiver room besides Matt Collins. But you're

758
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: you're totally right that there is Justin Shorter there, who

759
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: is six ' four two and twenty pounds. Looks kind

760
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: of like a smaller version of DK Metcalf, just physically,

761
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 2: like with his shirt off, the muscles like, he doesn't

762
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: have much body fat on him. The difference though, from

763
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: from him maybe being that guy that Brandon Bean was

764
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: mentioning with size and speed, and he certainly was good

765
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: at getting down the field in college at Florida. He's

766
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Speaker 2: not eight yards after the catch guy, and Brandon Bean

767
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: directly spoke to we want yards after the catch from

768
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: that position. And I think not that the Bills weren't

769
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: happy or you know, don't respect Gabe Davis, but over

770
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: the course of time Steve mentioned it in the first segment,

771
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: not a big, high catch rate guy. And for as

772
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Speaker 2: many big plays as he made deep because of his

773
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: kind of deceptive long speed, was he really ever making

774
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: guys miss and bouncing off tacklers. No, that really wasn't

775
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 2: part of his game. So I think in letting Gabe

776
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: Davis go signing Curtis Samuel to a deal like eight

777
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: million dollars less in fully guaranteed money, and then still

778
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 2: having the draft and saying there's a Brian Thomas, there's

779
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: a Roman Dune, say there's guys later, the Bills are like,

780
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 2: how can we take what we got from Gabe Davis

781
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: and then upgrade from that? So I certainly think Shorter

782
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: will be in the mix. They'll give him an opportunity

783
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: having been a draft pick last year, and he does

784
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: have that unique size and downfield ability the run after

785
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: the catch skill, though it was not really a part

786
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Speaker 2: of his game, and I don't think the Bills should

787
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 2: project that forward with him in twenty twenty.

788
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Speaker 1: Five, right, So, and there's also I mean also not

789
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: for nothing, but they've got Terrell Shavers as well. There's

790
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: a draft pick. Both those guys were in training camp

791
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: last year. Terrell Shavers is six four to two eleven

792
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: from San Diego State. He's been in the building for

793
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: an entire year as well. These guys listen, they know

794
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: what they can see the writing on the wall. They're

795
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: gonna want to be a part of it. And Andy

796
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: Isabella is still in the room, who's a very fast

797
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: guy and kind of a slot guy behind Khalil Shakir

798
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: and Isabella who's active and once or twice got a

799
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: target in every game he was active. They tried to

800
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: get him the ball because he has really got some wheels.

801
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: So they've got some guys in the cupboard, some ingredients

802
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: in the cupboard, and it comes down to who they

803
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: really like. But we saw it last year. Now, ultimately,

804
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: Justin Shorter got injured and so did Shavers slightly. But

805
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: Shavers was a practice squad guy. They tried to go

806
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: big last year in training camp. They had it. I

807
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: was standing there watching the wide receivers in training camp.

808
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: They were all big dudes.

809
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: They had a few others too, Andy Isabella came in

810
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: late in camp that were big guys, where like we

811
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Speaker 2: mentioned early in the Brian Dabole Candorsey era, it was

812
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 2: like size really didn't matter that much. They had Desmond

813
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: Patman too. I was right, he's like a six five

814
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty and he made some plays in the

815
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: preseason as well that it maybe was kind of a

816
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: sign of a shift where the Bills are like, look,

817
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: we know what we can get with digs, and now

818
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: with Khalil Shakir, they have a lot more confidence in

819
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: that it's time to add some size. And I've always

820
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: been a big advocate of having your wide receiver room

821
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: resemble a basketball team, to have the point guard, to

822
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: have the shooting guard, and then have your power forwards

823
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Speaker 2: and then a big guy, just so when you're facing

824
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 2: a defense you can throw a lot of different things

825
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: at them, different shape sizes, skill sets, where it's not hey,

826
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Speaker 2: we're playing the Bills. We can just bully them at

827
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Speaker 2: the line. They can't get off press or you know,

828
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: if a really physical with them, it's going to be

829
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: a struggle, or they're so slow they can only win

830
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: over Like over the top above the rim, so to speak,

831
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: they can't get open. I think it's important in this

832
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: day and age with Josh Allen as your quarterback to

833
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: kind of have a mix at the wide receiver spot.

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Christapasso, we're gonna take a break, Greg from Cataraugus.

835
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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to you in a minute. He's got

836
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Speaker 1: a name that we have not mentioned yet at the

837
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: Wide Receiver Room who is actually on the roster. We're

838
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: going to talk about that and more when we come back.

839
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Speaker 1: We'll take your calls at eight or three zero five

840
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Speaker 1: fifty or one eight eight five fifty two five fifty.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to One Bill's Live. This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

842
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Steve Tasker, Christrapasso. We've been,

843
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, shooting the breeze. Here in the break, as

844
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: promised that, we're going to go to the phones and

845
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: take Greg from Cattaraugus. Greg, you have a name that

846
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: you wanted to throw out that we had forgotten about

847
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: at the Wide Receiver Room.

848
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Yeah, how you doing today? I'm happy Major

849
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 5: League Baseball Opening day anyway, it is right absolutely, I'm

850
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 5: going to talk to you about kJ Hamler. He's a

851
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 5: young man, twenty four years old. He was a mid

852
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 5: second rounder. I thought in Denver his first couple of

853
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 5: years he was pretty decent. Nobody even talks about him.

854
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 5: I just wanted if you thought he had a sat Yeah,

855
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 5: hang up a little.

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00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and Chris knows it. kJ Hammler is

857
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: just what you say. He's five to nine, a buck

858
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: seventy eight. He's a small, light guy. He's had injury

859
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: problems a lot. When you get into the NFL, the

860
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: lighter you get, the more susceptible you are to injury

861
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: because of the weight and speed of the guys around you.

862
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: The collisions are just too much and your body breaks

863
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: down because you're just not heavy enough to absorb the force.

864
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: And guys like kJ break down because of it. And

865
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: that's but you're right when he's right. When he is

866
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: right physically, the guy can play.

867
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can really go. And I remember scouting him

868
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: coming out of Penn State. He was of course, he's

869
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: what entering his fourth season, only going to be twenty four.

870
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: He was a red shirt sophomore when he entered the draft.

871
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: He made some huge plays for the Nitney Lions, just

872
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: down the field and what I've been, you know, kind

873
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: of bringing up this entire show yards after the catch,

874
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: catching an RPO slant and just going seventy five yards.

875
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 2: But the last two years he's only played in ten

876
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: games and only has twelve catches, and a lot of

877
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: that is not because of his lack of skill, like

878
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 2: Steve is saying, I just he's been unable to stay healthy.

879
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: I do think though, when the Bill signed him, what

880
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: like late in the season or right after the season,

881
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: he is worth that flyer to say, hey, maybe if

882
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: this strength and conditioning staff can keep you healthy. He

883
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: is that very Niche just take the lid off the

884
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: defense type because he has always.

885
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: Been that guy. Plus he's got some return abilities as well.

886
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: When the new kickoff rules, we're going to get a

887
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: lot more of that going on as well, So you've

888
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: got to have some bodies for that. Let's go to

889
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: East Hamhurst and Mark on the line. Mark, go ahead,

890
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: you're on one. Bill's live hold on Jesus, there we go, Mark,

891
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: there you go. There.

892
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 3: I'm here. Hi, Steve and Chris. I hope you guys

893
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: are doing well. I have a question for you. So

894
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: you know, in the first two rounds. I feel that

895
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: you know the Bills will take a wide receiver, But

896
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: I just wanted your take on if there is a

897
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 3: stud offensive lineman and an edge rusher, a defensive tackle

898
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: in a corner and you know, I was just wondering

899
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: what you think if they're all tied, they all have

900
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 3: the same grade, what do you think our biggest need

901
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 3: would be? And where do you think we go with

902
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 3: that pick?

903
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: Good question. If everything was, if all the players were equal,

904
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: I'll say this, you want to go with money position,

905
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: like you're saying you want to add pass rusher, an

906
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, a guy who blocks, an edge rusher, a cornerback,

907
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: or a wide receiver. Those are money spots. And if

908
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: you're high enough in the draft, you need a guy.

909
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: If you're gonna get a defensive lineman interior, you're gonna

910
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: get a guy with some traits, like you know, a

911
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 1: nine foot tall, five hundred pound dude.

912
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 2: They can rush the passage, they can rush the passer.

913
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: So the bigger they are, the more they hold up

914
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: to the push and shove. That is the interior. The

915
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: defensive line in the NFL sot in the highest you know,

916
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: at the highest parts of the draft, you get guys

917
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: that are genetically different, yes, no matter what position they are.

918
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 2: That's how the first round goes.

919
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: That's how the first round is you when they walk

920
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: them out and a herd of cattle. You can pick

921
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: the right cows out in the NFL draft because they

922
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: stand out. They're taller, bigger, faster, and more beautiful than

923
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: other cows.

924
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: So that's how that is absolutely spot on. And what

925
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: I would say for my philosophy, which is pretty similar,

926
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: is if all things are equal, if the if the

927
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: board is, oh man, we have five guys at all

928
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: of the exact same grade, who do we pick at

929
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: twenty eight? To me, in this day and age, you

930
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: go wide receiver. You don't not to say that defense

931
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: isn't important, And the Bills wouldn't do that. They have

932
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: a defensive minded head code. The defense has been so

933
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: steady during the Sean McDermott era. I think with the

934
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: with the Chiefs, with the Bengals, with the Charger, with

935
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: so many teams that can score points even just in

936
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: the AFC, and I think the glaring I don't want

937
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: to say need, but problem maybe that the Bills have

938
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: had the last two years, is that number two receiver

939
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: spot hasn't been quite up to snuff with Gabe Davis

940
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 2: not being consistent enough. If you're all at you know,

941
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: these guys are all great at the same I think

942
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: you go wide receiver and say, we expect Josh Allen

943
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: to make this guy the best receiver he can be.

944
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: It's got to be a weapon because we always say it,

945
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: and we've we've been Hammon and halland about it. We

946
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: always circle back to the same thing in the AFC

947
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: right now with Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes with Justin Herbert,

948
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: with Joe Burrow, the Ravens, Great Lawrence with Lamar with

949
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: Anthony to Anthony Richardson c J. Stroud. It's an arms race.

950
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: Score as many points as you got to score.

951
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: And if you got one of those guys, which the

952
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 1: Bills have one of the best, you let him work

953
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: and let him do his thing, give him the weapons

954
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: to do it. So I'm that's where I lean as well. Plus,

955
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 1: you can't hip drop tackle, you can't. Yeah, they're they're

956
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: continuing to limit how hard it is, how easy it

957
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: is to play defense in the league. Pretty soon it's

958
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: going to be the easiest position in the league because

959
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: you're gona have to stand back there like a tackling them.

960
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: He she can't do anything right. So as hard as

961
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: it is to play defense in the National Football League,

962
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: I say you lean towards the trend.

963
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would lean toward that too, But

964
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: I think to answer more of his questions, specifically, are

965
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: there studs at other positions? And we kind of outlined

966
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: them earlier in the show, Jackson Powers Johnson, the offensive

967
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: center guard from Oregon. If he's there and the receivers

968
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: are gone, the edgdressers are gone, I think he would

969
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 2: be a good pick.

970
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: There's like a thousand offensive tackles at the time.

971
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: Yes, if they want offensive tackle, which I don't think

972
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 2: is a huge need. But Spencer Brown is getting close

973
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: to needing an extension. They extended Dion Dawkins. They could

974
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: go in that direction. It's it's the best class I think,

975
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: even better than receiver is.

976
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: Actually this is this is one Yeah, this is one

977
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: U stat site that you can go by and they

978
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: have their players all ranked, regardless of position, how good

979
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: they're going to be as a pro. You got one

980
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: Joe Alt, You've got Olu Fashanu, You've got Tali Fuaga.

981
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: You've got j C. Latham, Troy Foulton, FULTONU. Let's see wait,

982
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: there's more, Amarius Mimes.

983
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 2: You've got Jordan Morgan from Area Graham.

984
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: Barton, Tyler Geiton.

985
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 9: Uh.

986
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: And these guys Morgan, like you said, these are big times.

987
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: These are all guys that are inside the top forty

988
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: and they're all the same position. Kingsley Samatai uh from

989
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: b YU offensive tackle. Uh. Let's see here that there's

990
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: there's Patrick Paul from University of Houston, six seven and

991
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: a half, three hundred and thirty one pounds. There's nothing

992
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: else he could do in life except your tackle on

993
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: an NFL football, So you know, yes, And all those

994
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: guys I read these go all the way down to

995
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: the fifty fifth best player in the draft, let alone

996
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: the best tackle. It's the fifty fifth best player at

997
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: any position there. And all those guys, like twelve of

998
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: them that I read are all offensive tackles. Now Chris

999
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: Grind's tape, he's got these guys in a different order.

1000
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: The guys in the Bills war room, they've got him

1001
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: in a different order. The guys in Houston have got

1002
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: him in a different order. The guys in Dallas, in

1003
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: LA in Chicago and Miami. They all see him differently,

1004
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: but they're all on the same list. So one of

1005
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: these guys is gonna fall and the Bills are gonna think,

1006
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: how is this guy not taken yet? Yeah, And it's

1007
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: just because they see him in a different light. Another

1008
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: same list, same group of players, but they see this

1009
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: guy as a number three overall guy, not a fiftieth

1010
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: overall guy. Sure, and that's so they he stands out.

1011
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: And what I will say, even if you're like, hey,

1012
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: there's there's not really possibility that the Bills could target

1013
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: offensive tackle outside of Patrick Paul, who you highlighted that's

1014
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: absolutely gigantic. He's like the biggest blocker in this class.

1015
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: A lot of those really good offensive tackles, especially the

1016
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 2: ones that probably will be there at twenty eight, can

1017
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: all play guard. They're all a little on the smaller side. Athletic,

1018
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: they aren't. They aren't just big bodies at tackles, So

1019
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 2: the Bills could go in that direction. The other position,

1020
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: I'll highlight defensive tackle. The Bills have signed some guys,

1021
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: but I think they could use some more upfield pass

1022
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: rush next to at Oliver or be that kind of

1023
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: secondary guy to Oliver Byron Murphy from Texas, Johnny Newton

1024
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: from Illinois, and then Brayden Fisk from Florida State, who

1025
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: is the most athletic defensive tackle in this class. Kind

1026
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 2: of gave me some Kyle Williams vibes, just how athletic

1027
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: and explosive he is. Those could be the selection at

1028
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: twenty eight if you know, all the wide receivers are

1029
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 2: gone and the Bills don't love the depth of those positions.

1030
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: Later, all right, Steve Tasher, Christa Passa, We'll take your

1031
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: calls after the break. We're going to take a break

1032
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: right now. We're gonna get back to talking about the

1033
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: Bill's roster where it sits right now, What scenarios there

1034
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: are at the top of the first round, whether the

1035
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: Bills are going to take a wide receiver or whether

1036
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: now it's it's not quite so urgent, and your scenarios

1037
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: as to what that means. Come back and join as

1038
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker Christbasso on One Bill's Live. This is Buffalo

1039
00:51:16,640 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: Bill's Radio, the One Bill's Live presented by called Lighta Health.

1040
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: Welcome back to One of Bill's Live. We're here to

1041
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: start the second hour of the show. Christoph Passo in

1042
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: with Steve Tasker today, Brownie's taking a day and we're

1043
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit further down about your revout.

1044
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: Christra Passo's evaluations. He's got a top fifty guys. And

1045
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: this is regardless of position or school or draft whatever.

1046
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: It's not a mock draft. It's not a mock draft

1047
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: big board.

1048
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: It's just a big board and which is all the

1049
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 1: best players at whatever position they have, like most teams

1050
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: set up their draft room. And also, if you want

1051
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: to get in on this, it's eight oh three zero

1052
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: five fifty one eighty eight five fifty two, five fifty,

1053
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: you can chime in about the condition of the Bill's roster,

1054
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: your thoughts about their first round, or some trade ideas.

1055
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: We're going to bounce around a couple of trade possibilities

1056
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: that we've been talking about during the break, and you know,

1057
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 1: it always comes up because that's where all the mock

1058
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: drafts go sideways, because you can't anticipate where these trades

1059
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: are gonna happen. But you know, to start out with Chris,

1060
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: you you started out right at the top with the

1061
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: one consensus guy from USC Caleb Williams. You know, it

1062
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: gets to the point where it becomes so obvious this

1063
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: guy's going to be the first overall pick. All anybody

1064
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: does is try and poke holes in it.

1065
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, just the point, you know.

1066
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: And so they're saying, I don't know, you know, they

1067
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: because they just don't know, because it's a coin flip

1068
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: no matter what how you look at it. Statistically, I mean,

1069
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,479
Speaker 1: I mean, Caleb Williams is his own guy, and what's

1070
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: happened in the past doesn't affect him. But still statistically

1071
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: we don't know if this guy's going to be any

1072
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: good or not.

1073
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: I remember this happening with Andrew Luck in twenty twelve

1074
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence where it's like, oh, could maybe the Colts

1075
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: pick RG three over Andrew Luck? And is Trevor Lawrence,

1076
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: you know, he didn't really have the best last season

1077
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: with the Clemson Tigers because he it's going to be

1078
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: will You're.

1079
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: Talking to Bill's mafia here. They know what it's like,

1080
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: the poke holes in quarterback. They picked Josh and everybody,

1081
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: they still poke holes at John. Right, So Caleb Williams,

1082
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: give us, just give us a quick synopsis, because like

1083
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: the only things you hear are negative about negative about

1084
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: him are bad body language, seemed disengaged his senior year

1085
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: because he was, you know, kind of protecting himself, or

1086
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: his phone's pink. Yeah that's the new one, right, that's

1087
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: the new one. So give us, you know, give us

1088
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: why this guy is the guy.

1089
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I don't really bake that into any of

1090
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: my evaluations because that's stuff that I can't really verify,

1091
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 2: Like I can't look at that and say, oh, well,

1092
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna drop him down this many points on my board.

1093
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: Because he seemed like he wasn't as mad as he

1094
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: should be after an interception, or he cried after a

1095
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: game like how do you move? Like how do you

1096
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: move a player up? And now like that's maybe just

1097
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: above my pay grade. I'm not a GM and they

1098
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 2: have to figure that out. I just the film and

1099
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: the athleticism to me matter more than anything else. How

1100
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: athletic are you? Are you athletic by NFL standards? And

1101
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: how good were you on the field. Everything that you

1102
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: have heard read about Kayleb Williams, the pinpoint, accuracy, the

1103
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 2: creativity is Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes esque. He's got a

1104
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: great arm, even though he's only six foot two hundred pounds.

1105
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: I think in his final season at USC he maybe

1106
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: have was hearing so much of the Patrick Mahomes comparisons.

1107
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: He tried to do too much mahomesy in stuff where

1108
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: there was a wide open slant and instead of just

1109
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: throwing the five yard pass, he reversed his field and

1110
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 2: tried to fake out a defensive end and look across,

1111
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: where in twenty twenty two when he won the Heisman,

1112
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: he was doing that as a last resort. Josh Allen

1113
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 2: and Patrick Mahomes are super good because they can do

1114
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: those things, but they're also a great pocket passer. So

1115
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: the synopsis on Williams is he is as good as advertised,

1116
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: just was not as good against pressure last season because

1117
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: I think he just forced it, and we've seen Josh

1118
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: Allen force it, and when he doesn't force it, that's

1119
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: when he's the best version of himself. That's kind of

1120
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: how I feel about Kayleb Williams.

1121
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: And the next let's go down through the quarterbacks. Right now,

1122
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: Drake May from North Carolina. Now he's been you know,

1123
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: this is where it starts to get dicey, where you

1124
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: get people who have different opinions about how these quarterbacks

1125
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: are ranked, and Drake May, for you, is the next one. Yeah.

1126
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: I love Drake May. I think he is a slightly

1127
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 2: smaller version of Justin Herbert that at UNC, the big

1128
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 2: time throwers were littered all over his film the last

1129
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: two years. Strong arm can create outside of the pocket.

1130
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: He was a good athlete there, like they used him

1131
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 2: in the designed run game, kind of like the Bills

1132
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 2: have used Josh Allen where they'll run quarterback power where

1133
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: he's running behind a full back. He has that kind

1134
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: of size and speed. He's he's gonna be able to

1135
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: take hits and be okay. And I like that he

1136
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: stayed at UNC. He could have transferred. We're in the

1137
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 2: era of nil and transfer portal. He loses a wide

1138
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 2: receiver Josh Dollins, so the Colts want in the third

1139
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: round last year, great wide receiver for him, stays at

1140
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 2: UNC and was still really really good. So I love

1141
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 2: Drake May. And to me, I don't think Drake May

1142
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: and Kayleb Williams are that far apart. I think they're

1143
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: both elite level prospects. Do I think They're both going

1144
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: to come in and be top five quarterbacks in the

1145
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: NFL instantly. No, it's going to take time. It took

1146
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: time for Josh Mahomes, Watts and all of them. But

1147
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: I do think he has the franchise caliber traits that

1148
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: you need at the quarterback spot.

1149
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: And of course then you kind of really throw a

1150
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: wrench into everybody else's evaluations and you went with Malik name. Now, listen,

1151
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: Malik Neighbors is going to be a pro, and he's

1152
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a pro for a long time. But everybody

1153
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: else has got the first wide receivers. Marvin Harrison Junior

1154
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: has been for two years in fact, right, And you

1155
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: like Malik Neighbors. I do better. Why is that they're close?

1156
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: But I like Neighbors because explosiveness that Marvin Harrison Junior

1157
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 2: is a little bigger. You mentioned Julio Jones earlier. He

1158
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: kind of like reminds me of Julio Jones body type wise,

1159
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: and how good he is down the field. Neighbors gives

1160
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: you the down the field ability. We saw him at

1161
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: the LSU pro Da runs in the low four threes,

1162
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: forty two inch vertical almost eleven foot broad jump. I

1163
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: think Harrison is really fast too, But I think Neighbors

1164
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: gives you better acceleration. And I I'm kind of a

1165
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: broken record talking about yards after the catch, but Neighbors

1166
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: just gives you better yards after the catch. Here's just

1167
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:12,919
Speaker 2: to throw out some numbers quickly. Malik Neighbors career mistackle

1168
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: force rate was thirty one percent. Marvin Harrison Juniors was

1169
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: eleven percent. So they're like to me, not even on

1170
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: the same stratosphere. When it comes to yards after the catch.

1171
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: Neighbors is a little more raw. I didn't run the

1172
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: full rout tree Harrison did. Those Ohio state wide receivers,

1173
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 2: the Terry mcclaurin types, the Curtis Samuel types, very well schooled,

1174
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 2: well coached by Brian Hartline, who's the wide receiver coach.

1175
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: There was obviously in the NFL. They run the whole

1176
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: route tree. They can get open. They have subtleties to

1177
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: their routes. Neighbors doesn't really have that. But he's ahead

1178
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: of Harrison Junior for me, just because of the sheer

1179
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: explosiveness that he hits the accelerators the second he catches

1180
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 2: the football, all.

1181
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: Right, so and then going down the quarterbacks. Jaden Daniels

1182
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: I like him. Shu I kind of do too. I

1183
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: saw him play a couple of times obviously on TV

1184
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: Never Live. I like what he brought to the table,

1185
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: particularly given you know, the current state of the NFL.

1186
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: You got to do some things off the page. His

1187
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: ability to do that and also make really good decisions

1188
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: in the midst of all of it.

1189
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he He certainly keeps his eyes up and will

1190
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: make throws outside of the pocket, which we've seen has

1191
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: been a trademark of the Josh Allen game and how

1192
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: he's developed into an elite quarterback the last five years.

1193
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: Daniels will do that, but he also has like borderline

1194
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson athleticism to hit those long runs. The downfield

1195
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: touch is amazing. The one thing or the two things

1196
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 2: I'll say about Jaydon Daniels why he's at number three

1197
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: in my quarterback rankings. I think it's easy to say

1198
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 2: he has great deep ball touch, but he was throwing

1199
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: to Brian Thomas and Malik Neighbors, who are amazing adjusting

1200
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: to the football. And I'm a little concerned that six three,

1201
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: two ten, and I think he bulked up to two

1202
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 2: ten at the LSU Pro Day talking about kJ Hamler.

1203
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: You know, five nine one seventy five can't absorb those hits.

1204
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a Josh Allen body, and if you're

1205
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: gonna running around like an RG three, you need to

1206
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: be able to avoid tacklers. And sometimes Jayden Daniels doesn't

1207
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: have that spatial awareness that Mahomes and Allen are so

1208
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 2: good with, where he's running full speed and takes a shot,

1209
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 2: and I'm a little concerned about that. At the next level,

1210
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 2: I still think he's an elite prospect. But that's why

1211
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: he's my number three quarterback, not my number two quarterback.

1212
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: Now I want to skip over some guy. I want

1213
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: to stick with the quarterback position. Why is JJ McCarthy

1214
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 1: so polarizing.

1215
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: He's polarizing because he was never the guy. At Michigan,

1216
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: they were running the ball fifty times a game. It

1217
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: was classic Jim Harbaugh, and only in some key moments

1218
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: he made big plays. And I think if you watch

1219
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 2: those key moments in the Rose Bowl against Alabama could

1220
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: create outside the pocket. You saw the big time arm

1221
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 2: on occasion and what I kind of like in this too,

1222
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: he's not quite the same specimen. In that final season

1223
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: for Justin Herbert, they ran the football a ton at Oregon,

1224
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: they ironically went to the Rose Bowl won the Rose

1225
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: Bowl that year against Wisconsin, and the one thing on

1226
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: on Justin Herbert the big ding was well, why wasn't

1227
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: he trusted more? That's kind of how the naysayers for

1228
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy will point to that. To me, I think

1229
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: he's a good prospect. I think in the right scenario,

1230
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: if he's in Minnesota with Justin Jefferson and TJ. Hockinson,

1231
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: that he could be good. But he is more situation

1232
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: dependent than any of the top three quarterbacks. That's kind

1233
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: of how I feel about him. Bownicks and Michael Pennix.

1234
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Michael Penix was a guy I really like.

1235
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: He's a lefty, but always looks weird watching leftings, isn't it.

1236
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I liked what I saw from him. Got

1237
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: a nice arm. He's got a pro arm.

1238
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: Oh for sure.

1239
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: He had trouble. I think one knock on him was

1240
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: he had trouble staying healthy. But he's been healthy for

1241
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: two seasons now, and when I watched him play at Washington, Man,

1242
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: I was impressed. What are your thoughts on Mike Pennix.

1243
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: He's someone that I do think is situation dependent. Because

1244
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: he's not very mobile. That you talked about it that

1245
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: having the Jaden Daniels type, that josh Allen Lamar Jackson

1246
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: that has become so fast it has become a critical

1247
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 2: point of the quarterback came that ten years ago you

1248
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: weren't really worried about athleticism for the quarterbacks when they

1249
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: would run the forty. You're like, I'm gonna turn this up.

1250
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: This doesn't matter. Now it does. Pennix doesn't have that

1251
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: today's standard of athleticism at the quarterback spot, but everything

1252
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 2: you mentioned. The arm is one of the best arms

1253
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: in this draft. He's willing to make those tight window throws.

1254
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 2: He's pretty accurate in doing so, and he played a

1255
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 2: lot of football in the last two years at Washington.

1256
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 2: There are as many wow throws from Michael Pennix as

1257
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams or as any of the other quarterbacks that

1258
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 2: are going to go ahead of him. He feels like

1259
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: a good value pick for a team later in the

1260
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 2: first or maybe even early in the second round.

1261
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: All right, So now here's what now, let's get to this.

1262
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: All right, So that's that's nice on all the quarterbacks,

1263
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and all that stuff. Let's talk about wide receiver.

1264
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: So we've got you know, we've got my league neighbors.

1265
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: We've got Marvin Harrison Junior, we've got Brian Thomas junior,

1266
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: and we've got Roma Dunza. Those four guys that are

1267
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: right at the top, and you know, you think hopeful

1268
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, it's looking less and less like the

1269
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: Bills are going to be able to grab one of

1270
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: those guys. And let's say they can't get find a

1271
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: trade partner. Those four guys are gone. We need to

1272
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: talk about a d Mitchell, Lad McConkie, Xavior Worthy, Keyon Coleman,

1273
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: Javon Baker, Troy Franklin, all those guys that are below

1274
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: those top four guys.

1275
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: Those are studying those guys a lot that.

1276
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, which of those guys? What are we getting with

1277
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: Let's start. Let's start with a d Mitchell. What are

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Speaker 1: you getting with him?

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Speaker 2: Ad Mitchell is just looking at his size and his

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01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: speed and his combine workout. He's almost identical to Brian Thomas,

1281
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: like they're both like almost six to three over two

1282
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: hundred pounds, ran in the low four threes. Ad Mitchell

1283
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 2: ran or four three four forty inch vertical, Like what

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Speaker 2: you said earlier that the first rounders are usually the freaks,

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Speaker 2: the guys that if their cattle, they're standing out as

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Speaker 2: the prize cow. The one thing with Mitchell that scares

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Speaker 2: me he kind of falls into that classic case. This

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: is not really super specific, it's more general. If he

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01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: was so athletic and so big and so fat, why

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Speaker 2: was he not more productive in his career. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: like he never caught a pass in college and never

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01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: made a big play. But Romadoonze's stats are through the roof.

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Speaker 2: Brian Thomas had seventeen touchdowns last year. Ady Mitchell was

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01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: always kind of the number two. He was at Georgia,

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01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 2: had to transfer to Texas and was good, you know,

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01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 2: scored touchdowns against Alabama, but it was really kind of

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01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 2: the Xavier Worthy show there at Texas. The one thing

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Speaker 2: I will say about Mitchell at his size, he is

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Speaker 2: as fluid as you're going to see when it comes

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01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 2: to being flexible in and out of his routes, dipping

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01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 2: under a corner, trying to press him at the line.

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01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 2: Not a big guarde after the catch guy, but the fluidity,

1303
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 2: and I think that's why Greg Cosell likes him so much.

1304
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 2: He projects that in a year or two he could

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01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 2: be a really awesome separator at a bigger size with

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Speaker 2: that elite explosiveness.

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Speaker 1: And then you get guys Lad McConkey, Ricky Piersoll, guys

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Speaker 1: like this. What go down the list now further and

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01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: the next guy on your list is asis behind it's

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Speaker 1: Lad McConkey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So with mccackie, we talked about him earlier, elite

1312
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 2: separator and what I mean by that is he can

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Speaker 2: get open with his athleticism. He ran four to three

1314
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 2: nine just under a forty inch vertical at the combine,

1315
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: So you need that. In the NFL, you're dealing with

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01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 2: freaks at the cornerback spot for every team. But the

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01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: subtlety in running his routes he will, I mean, you

1318
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: know this as a former half wide receiver, show their fakes,

1319
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 2: head fakes, you sell the post, then you're going to

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01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 2: the corner. And you see it on his film against Auburn,

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01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 2: against Alabama, against LSU, future NFL corners. He is an

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01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: elite separator. What I think is being kind of undersold

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01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 2: about him is how good he is after the catch

1324
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 2: that Lad mcconkeye's career missed force tackle rate or missed

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01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 2: tackle forced rate is twenty five percent. Lak Neighbors is

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Speaker 2: thirty one, and he's at twenty five. So he's about

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01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 2: as good as Malik Neighbors after the catch, and that

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01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 2: is using that speed four three nine and the vision

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01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 2: to cut to make a safety mess. He can do that,

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01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 2: but he's not going to be someone that's going to

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01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 2: make those contested catches. He doesn't have a big catch radius.

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01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 2: He kind of feels like he was underutilized at Georgia

1333
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 2: because they did want to run the football and they had, oh,

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01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 2: by the way, brock Bauers, who's going to be probably

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Speaker 2: a top fifteen pick. So McConkie kind of feels like

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01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: almost the Michael Pennox of the wide receiver group, undersold, undervalued,

1337
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 2: but will be a good value later in the first

1338
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 2: or early in the second.

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Speaker 1: And so you go down further.

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01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 2: Ricky Pierce all similar by the way.

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01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah right, And so let's go down and talk about

1342
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: a guy that we haven't heard on our show very much,

1343
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: a kid from UCF University of Central Florida, Javonne Baker.

1344
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 2: I love him. He was one of the first draft

1345
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 2: crushes that I had when I said that I watched

1346
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 2: quarterbacks first, that I watched wide receivers, like December January,

1347
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 2: and he started at Alabama. He was a big recruit,

1348
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 2: played behind a bunch of you know, future NFL players

1349
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 2: at Alabama. What I like about him is being a transfer.

1350
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 2: You're kind of wondering, hey, why is it Justin Shorter

1351
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 2: goes from Penn State to Florida. But once he transfers

1352
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 2: to UCF, back to back seasons of big time production,

1353
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 2: Like he was the guy almost average twenty two yards

1354
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,479
Speaker 2: per catch last season at UCF and of the maybe

1355
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 2: you would call him second or third tier, this is

1356
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 2: Javon Baker. He is the one, and I think Lad

1357
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: mcconkey's there a little bit Ricky Piercell. Javon Baker can

1358
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 2: win on the outside in every way that you want

1359
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 2: him to be. He can be the separator, he can

1360
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 2: beat press, he can win above the rim because he's

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01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 2: a big time jumper and catches the football great in

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01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 2: traffic and he's good after the catch. And what I

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01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 2: think for the Bills will kind of be kind of

1364
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 2: a Gabe Davis situation. He ran in the four fives

1365
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 2: at the Combine, so that will probably sink him for

1366
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 2: a lot of teams to say, hey, look he's not

1367
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 2: a big time vertical threat, but because he's so good

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01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 2: catching the ball in traffic, I think he is a

1369
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 2: good vertical threat that because of this lower speed, he's

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Speaker 2: probably going to be available at pick sixty. A big

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01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 2: fan of him. If you watch him on film, go

1372
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 2: watch him on YouTube. He kind of reminds me of

1373
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs and he's bigger, six foot six ' one,

1374
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 2: two hundred plus pounds. Javon Baker, former Alabama.

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01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: How far this fall can the Bills get him? He'll

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01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: be there at sixty.

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01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 2: I mean it feels like he's so underrated that he's

1378
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 2: not underrated. A lot of the draft analysts are like, oh,

1379
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 2: I love his film. His film is really fun to watch.

1380
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 2: But again we talked about how in the first round

1381
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: the freaks go early. The one knock is that you

1382
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 2: don't see that extra gear that so many of these

1383
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 2: receivers have in this class, like an ad Mitchell Brian Thomas.

1384
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 2: Of course, save you're worthy that you saw that on film,

1385
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 2: and then he confirmed that by running in the four five.

1386
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 2: So if the Bills go different, you know, edge rusher

1387
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 2: safety you mentioned Tyler Nuban from Minnesota de tackle in

1388
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 2: the first round. They probably could just move up, like

1389
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: into the mid fifties trade up. You know, one of

1390
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 2: the fifty fifth round picks that they have sure to

1391
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 2: get a Javon Baker. I like him.

1392
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: So here's the thing too, So we got all these

1393
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: guys that are out there that are behind the guys

1394
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: that are not going to be there when the Bills pick.

1395
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 2: You see, there's a lot of options that receiver.

1396
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: We have done our due diligence. And I'm the draft

1397
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: guy that likes the trade market.

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01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 5: OK.

1399
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: So we're talking about trade values and you and I

1400
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: are bouncing around. If you take the Bill's twenty eighth

1401
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: pick and the Bill's sixtieth pick and you wrap them

1402
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: up into one, you can get up to seventeen or

1403
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: eighteen pick of the draft.

1404
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 2: Now, and that's like double checked by multiple charts.

1405
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: But if you take the Bill's twenty eighth pick, this

1406
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:37,879
Speaker 1: year's first rounder, and package it with next year's first rounder,

1407
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: you can get all the way to the just outside

1408
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: the top ten. That's interesting, Like you can get all

1409
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: the way to ten or nine to Chicago or New

1410
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 1: or Yeah or New York Jets or Minnesota for sure

1411
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: at eleven. Yeah in the So if you go to

1412
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: eleven and it's Minnesota, no, I'm minut. Do you think

1413
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: is gonna move up? Take the eleventh pick and their

1414
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 1: twenty third pick, take them together and move up to

1415
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,879
Speaker 1: get maybe Arizona's pick at number four or New England's

1416
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: pick or whatever they're gonna get inside the top five.

1417
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: So if Arizona at number four moves back, Okay, now listen,

1418
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 1: follow me here. If they move back to that eleventh pick,

1419
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: the Minnesota gives them, and the Bills pick up the

1420
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: phone when they get that eleventh pick and say, we'll

1421
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 1: give you this year's twenty eighth pick and next year's

1422
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: maybe twenty eighth pick again.

1423
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: In that range for that.

1424
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: Pick, the eleventh pick, and they get a guy like Brian,

1425
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 1: they can then get a guy like Brian Thomas Junior

1426
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: or a guy like Roma Dunze.

1427
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: Now, for me, I'm usually not a big trade up guy,

1428
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 2: but I do think that the elite talent at the

1429
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 2: wide receiver spot in this class, for as good as

1430
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: the depth is, I think the elite talent is better.

1431
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: Like it's more tantalizing to say, oh, you could add

1432
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 2: Roman Donze, who's very similar to Brian Thomas, maybe not

1433
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 2: quite as good after the catch, but catches everything, has

1434
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 2: as big of a catch radius and as sure handed

1435
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 2: as any receiver in this class. If you add him

1436
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 2: to this offense and for twenty twenty four and then

1437
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 2: project him forward and say he's your twenty twenty five

1438
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 2: wide receiver one with Khalil Shakir and Curtis Samuel, then

1439
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 2: you're cooking. And I think that's something that you have

1440
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 2: to think about because Brandon Bean's history at the UH

1441
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 2: in doing that, three out of the five drafts that

1442
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 2: he's had a first run pick, he's traded up, and

1443
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: that would just be like, hey, there you go. You

1444
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 2: can just kind of wash your hands of the need

1445
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 2: at wide receiver.

1446
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's and so that's what you're looking at now.

1447
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: If if the Bills can convince their trade partner, you

1448
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: know that they're gonna be, you know, at least twenty

1449
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: eighth in the pick Latin next year, there's a chance,

1450
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: you know, the Bills are always thinking they're gonna be

1451
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: thirty second pick. Even if they are, it's still still

1452
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: still a good deal.

1453
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 2: And it's good to just know where those trades could

1454
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 2: get the bills, Like it's good to know this going

1455
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 2: into the month of April, where twenty eight and sixty

1456
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 2: could get them around pick seventeen and again twenty eight

1457
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: and next year's first, like between pick nine or pick eleven,

1458
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,879
Speaker 2: like most trade charts have them right in that range.

1459
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 2: There's a I think a pretty distinct possibility that Roman

1460
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 2: Dunesa is still on the board there and Brian Thomas

1461
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 2: is almost a lot to still be there, That's right.

1462
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: And so you know, you start getting these ideas that

1463
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: this could happen. That's and it's asking a lot.

1464
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 2: But let's not forget they traded a future first for

1465
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 2: Stefon Diggs and that worked out.

1466
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: It's not like they don't know what they're looking at,

1467
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 1: ye And I'll say this too. What we do not

1468
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: know is all the things that we conjecture about about

1469
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about all day. Okay, what do

1470
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: they think about kJ Hamler and what do they think

1471
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: about Mac Collins and Justin Shorter. I still think they

1472
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: want to up Tyrrell Shavers, you know, and Curtis Samuel

1473
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: for that matter. You know, what do they think and

1474
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: what do they think about Steph Diggs, What do they

1475
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: think about Khalil Shakir and not and Knox and Kincave.

1476
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: They got a bunch, They got a bunch. Are they

1477
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: going to hamstring other draft picks in order to go

1478
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: up and get a guy who is would be close

1479
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,520
Speaker 1: to the top of that list of those weapons?

1480
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 2: What we'll say quickly to your point earlier, I think

1481
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 2: cannot be stressed enough. I say that I don't like,

1482
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 2: absolutely adore the depth at wide receiver because I think

1483
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 2: there's a lot of niche guys in the second and

1484
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 2: third round. And you mentioned it earlier. The Bills, for

1485
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 2: as much as it's I don't want to say all in,

1486
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 2: but with Josh allenb in twenty eight and how close

1487
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 2: they've been, they want to win this year. They have

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01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 2: to think about the future because this is probably going

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 2: to be Stefan Diggs last season, or there's a good

1490
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 2: chance of that, and he's getting up there in age anyway,

1491
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 2: So you want to draft that complete wide receiver to

1492
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 2: eventually be your number one when you're moving into the

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01:13:58,720 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 2: new stadium.

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01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,560
Speaker 1: He's your number one, that's right, and you got to

1495
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: start thinking about the transitions. They were kind of forced

1496
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: to do that at corner with Tredaevius White and his injuries.

1497
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: Probably started thinking about it with Tremaine Edmonds last year

1498
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: about who they're going to get now, and they drafted

1499
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: two of them, Dorian Williams and and Terrell Bernard Baylen Specter,

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01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: the whole gang. So smart philosophy, So they're getting it done.

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01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: We'll see. There's a lot to talk about here, and

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01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: we'll take your calls if you want, Judy and Buffalo,

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01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna take your call after the break. Steve Tasker,

1504
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: Christ Appasso on One Bill's Live. We'll be back after this.

1505
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

1506
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: At the bottom of the hour, here we are gonna

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01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: go back and asking you know, you the listeners, what

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01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: you think about the state of the Bill's roster. Also,

1509
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 1: you know your thoughts about who they should grab at

1510
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: twenty eight and the scenarios in which you can see

1511
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: it might not be a wide receiver that the train's

1512
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: still coming down the tracks. As far as I'm concerned,

1513
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: it's going to be that guy. But we're talking about

1514
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: how high they would have to go and what the

1515
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: possibilities of would be to trade up to get that

1516
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: guy and how high they could go. We've also got

1517
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: calls also from Buffalo, our good friend Judy from Buffalo,

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01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: who's calling, hold on, let me. I can't get this

1519
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: to come up, Judy from Buffalo. Yeah, it's not working.

1520
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna have to wait. Hold on. I can't

1521
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 1: get the buttons on it. It's not friendly today. It's me.

1522
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: It's not here we go, Judy. Are you're on with

1523
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: Steven Chris? What's on your mind?

1524
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 9: Okay?

1525
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 10: I don't know how many years it's been, but two

1526
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 10: or three years ago I wanted the Bills to draft

1527
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 10: Christian Watson. They didn't. I thought he would be one

1528
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 10: of the key members of the offense that would make

1529
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 10: the Bills not just a tender.

1530
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 3: But a real Super Bowl shread.

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01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 10: So the point I want to make that I've been

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01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 10: making of this for two or three years. Place get

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01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 10: the best long receiver left on the board for the

1534
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 10: sake of the to me the best quarterback in the league.

1535
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 10: It is that simple, Okay.

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01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 2: I like that.

1537
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: I got people in the control room applauding Judy. Now,

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01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: thank you, Judy. That's funny because that's great, and I

1539
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: agree with you. You remember this when John in two

1540
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, I believe it was, remember this name, Bob Foster,

1541
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: Robert Foster, undrafted rookie wide receiver, and all he did

1542
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: was catch deep balls from Josh. I mean, because Josh

1543
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: was kind of still figuring it out. You know, he's

1544
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: a year away from the twenty twenty breakout season and

1545
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: he still had the deep ball and he just throw

1546
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: it to Bob. And you know, Robert Foster had a

1547
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 1: nice little career here from a minute in Buffalo, and

1548
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: everybody loves the long ball and maybe it will come

1549
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: back this year and be a bigger part of what's

1550
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: what's happening. But yeah, at all calls, Yeah, okay, I'm

1551
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 1: all about it.

1552
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,679
Speaker 2: To Judy's point and to your point that Robert Foster

1553
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 2: was really the last true just I don't want to

1554
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: say Gabe Davis wasn't a deep threat, but Robert Foster

1555
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: was really really fast that he was off the line

1556
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 2: and down the field. He was a threat where you

1557
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 2: could see watching the All twenty two film, safeties were

1558
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 2: rotating in his direction because he was that take the

1559
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 2: lid off the defense every game type of guy. Gabe

1560
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 2: Davis certainly hit some of those big plays. I think

1561
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 2: a lot of them were off script when Josh just

1562
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 2: made a ridiculous throw. So is that Xavier worthy in

1563
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 2: this class four to two one combine record speed? Is

1564
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 2: that Troy Franklin, who I think plays faster than his

1565
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: time at the Combine, was just a big play guy

1566
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 2: consistently at Oregon. There are and I said it earlier

1567
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 2: that there are a lot of niche wide receivers that

1568
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 2: are just burners in this class. Jermaine Burton from Alabama,

1569
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 2: who was at Georgia transfers to Alabama. A lot of

1570
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 2: big plays down the field. Now, some of those you

1571
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 2: might not say are worth the twenty eighth overall pick.

1572
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 2: But if you're going to Judy's suggestion, I think that

1573
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 2: has been or that has been something that has been

1574
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 2: missing in this Bill's offense for as good as Steph

1575
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 2: Diggs has been the occasional splash play from from Gabe Davis.

1576
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 2: You got the other knee for a minute. Yeah, yeah.

1577
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 2: That to have that vertical element to pair with the

1578
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,759
Speaker 2: arm strength that Josh Allen has, maybe that is something

1579
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 2: that the Bill's offense could use to go from great

1580
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:38,759
Speaker 2: to best offense in the league.

1581
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm I don't know that that's when Josh is

1582
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: at his best throwing it over the top. But even

1583
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 1: though he's got this huge arm and it goes you know,

1584
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: I we've seen him do it, he throws better to

1585
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,560
Speaker 1: me just off the top. I don't go back, and

1586
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm not grinding film on this, but it seems to

1587
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: me Josh is more accurate when he throws deep when

1588
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: he's running.

1589
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 2: On the run. Yeah, when he's running, and that's scarier

1590
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: for yeah.

1591
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 3: Sure.

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01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: And the thing about Josh is and the reason I

1593
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: think I'm with Judy, I think we got the best

1594
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: guy in the league is because of the pressure he

1595
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: puts on a defense every moment the balls in his hands,

1596
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: even when he's scrambling around back there. He does stuff

1597
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: nobody else can do because of his size and his

1598
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:21,799
Speaker 1: strength and his arm strength.

1599
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 2: So and the only thing I would say that I

1600
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 2: would slightly disagree with Judy about. They do need a

1601
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,480
Speaker 2: vertical threat, I think, and I think Brandon Bean understands

1602
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 2: that Josh Allen probably would like. That is what we've

1603
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 2: kind of been discussing all draft season. They need a

1604
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: receiver to eventually be that wide receiver one. And if

1605
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 2: you're picking a Jermaine Burton, who if you look at

1606
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 2: his numbers, was a down the field guy, hesave're worthy.

1607
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 2: Of course at Texas, you see some of those lapses

1608
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 2: or those weaknesses in his game where he's not a

1609
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 2: great separator, he's not amazing after the catch, but he

1610
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 2: can really go down the field. Given Steph Diggs age

1611
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 2: the contract situation, I think the Bills, I think I'm

1612
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 2: not sure, but I feel like the Bills will bake

1613
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 2: in Hey, can you be a wide receiver one in

1614
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,719
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and when the new stadium opens across

1615
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 2: the street, can you be that entering your prime wide

1616
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 2: receiver one? So that's why I would kind of lean

1617
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 2: against just going the best vertical element.

1618
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 4: In the current.

1619
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: We're going to take a call from Ed in. I

1620
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 1: believe it's Buffalo. I can't read. No, he's in Hamburg.

1621
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: Ed go ahead, you're on with Stephen Chris.

1622
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 4: Heh, there's Steve and Chris. How you doing today?

1623
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:28,759
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling?

1624
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 3: Uh?

1625
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 4: My biggest thing. I mean, Brandon Beat's done great, don't

1626
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 4: get me wrong, and he's had to. You know, he's

1627
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 4: always liked to trade up, but we now have enough

1628
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 4: homegrown talent and veteran leadership in the locker room, and

1629
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 4: we need to get the salary cap down. I think

1630
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 4: even if you got to put him in a straight

1631
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 4: jacket and a gag until the middle of the twenty

1632
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 4: seventh thick, you know, if the guy's not there, you

1633
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 4: need trade back, get more picks. Even if you get

1634
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 4: more picks next year or whatever, let's bring in younger people,

1635
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 4: get the sealer recap down. We have a coaching staff

1636
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 4: that can coach these people up.

1637
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: It's a good point.

1638
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 4: We've all.

1639
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 1: Brownie has been a big proponent of this as well.

1640
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,759
Speaker 1: Brandon Sean McDermott has been known to get the most

1641
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: out of the roster more than most people do. And yeah,

1642
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: we got eleven picks this year, eleven guys. If you

1643
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: get if you can get eleven guys out of this

1644
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: draft that can actually make your roster, forget about the starters.

1645
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: If they can just make the roster, it's impressive. It's

1646
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: probably not gonna happen, But there are a ton of

1647
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 1: guys out there on the street that you signed with

1648
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 1: veteran minimums. You sign guys that are just trying to

1649
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 1: hang in the league. He's trying to backups or whatever

1650
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 1: with some incentives in their contract and make it worth

1651
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 1: it for them. Yeah, the salary cap, I'm not saying

1652
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 1: it's not real, but certainly the Bills are in a

1653
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 1: pretty good position, and they've got some of the reasons

1654
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 1: you signed players to the contracts you do is so

1655
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: that you can restructure them in the future. Sure, particularly

1656
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: guys like Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes and those guys. I mean,

1657
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: they're not gonna cut Josh, So give him his money

1658
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: now and it doesn't go against the cap, and you know,

1659
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: you cut all his money he's supposed to get off

1660
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: of this year's cap. That's the way it works. It's

1661
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: common business practice. But yeah, you're right. I would love

1662
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: to see him come out of the season at least

1663
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: cap even, rather than seventy five million in the hole.

1664
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you will never hear any argument for me about

1665
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 2: trading down. I mean, we've talked about trading up for

1666
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 2: a receiver. Is it Roman doonsday? They could they get

1667
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 2: in the top ten? Brian Thomas trading down And this

1668
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 2: is a very general draft philosophy, And you can say

1669
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 2: that it's the best GM in the league or the

1670
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 2: worst GM in the league, or the middle of the

1671
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:46,759
Speaker 2: road GM, they will the team will be built better

1672
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 2: if you just make more draft picks. You and Brownie

1673
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 2: have talked about it. If you get eleven rolls at

1674
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 2: the table and you are gonna hit on thirty percent

1675
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 2: of them, that's around that's three or four of them.

1676
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: It cast a wide net.

1677
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 2: And specifically, or in what hits close to home, the

1678
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins are in a really bad spot financially and

1679
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 2: they might have to pay to a they don't really know.

1680
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 2: They lost Christian Wilkins because they are in a bad

1681
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 2: cap situation as well. And for as explosive as they are,

1682
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 2: for as fun of an offense as they are, they've

1683
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 2: made eight picks in the last two drafts combined. And

1684
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 2: I think that is the biggest problem with the Dolphins

1685
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 2: is they have no one coming up the pipeline. There's

1686
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 2: Devon h Chan for sure, beyond him, there's no you know,

1687
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 2: Tarren Johnson a few years ago, or Khalil Shakir or

1688
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 2: Dalton Kinkaid. Because they've just not prioritized the draft. Christian

1689
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 2: Benford and the list Jose late rounders matter, and you know,

1690
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 2: to have five fifth rounders, maybe the Bills package one

1691
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 2: or two to get into the earlier portions of the draft.

1692
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 2: But making those picks. The Baltimore Ravens did it, have

1693
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 2: still or have always done it. The Patriots during their

1694
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 2: dynasty would trade back, just make as many picks and say, look,

1695
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 2: we're gonna miss on a lot of these guys, but

1696
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 2: let's hit on thirty percent of eleven instead of thirty

1697
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 2: percent of seven or six.

1698
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: Right, that's right, So we'll we'll take another call from

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Speaker 1: Mark and West Seneca. Mark, what's on your mind? You're

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Speaker 1: almost Stephen, Chris, go ahead, Mark, Hey.

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Speaker 11: Guys, how are you today?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 11: That's good. You get your really great conversation piqued my

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01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 11: interest today when you talked about trading next year's one

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01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 11: with this year's one to get up top. I've never

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01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 11: been a guy to want to trade futures, especially first.

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01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 11: But if, but if, when I look at the Bills

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01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 11: past this coming season, assuming Digs is maybe on a

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01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 11: little bit of a downturn and who knows where he's

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01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 11: going to be after this season, I don't like our

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01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 11: receiver a room that much. I really, really, don't without

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01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 11: a young talented kid that we bring in this year.

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01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:55,679
Speaker 11: So I think if you can package a future one

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01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 11: with this one and get between ten and fifteen, you

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01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 11: do it. If you can have your choice maybe two

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01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 11: or three of the remaining guys that are going to

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01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 11: be there at that point in time at the Big four,

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01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 11: and definitely throwing Brian Thomas and Mitchell in there. That

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01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 11: might be overdrafting those guys a little bit picking them

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01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 11: that high, assuming what everybody says about him going in

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01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 11: the middle of the round. I don't really care if

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01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 11: you pick a guy at fifteen or fourteen or eleven

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01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 11: that should have been picked at you say, should have

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01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 11: sixteen or seventeen or eighteen, big deal whatever, you know,

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01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 11: what's the big deal there. But my question for you

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01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 11: guys then is if they can get anywhere in the

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01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 11: middle of the round, say fifteen around there, with next

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01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 11: year's number two and this year's number one, or is

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01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 11: that too hard to project because we don't know where

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01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 11: the Bills are going to finish this year, or are

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01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 11: you just based it on assuming you're going to be

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01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 11: picking somewhere around twenty eight again, so you can figure

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Speaker 11: it out that way. Okay, my question.

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Speaker 2: Sure, No, that is a good question. And that's another

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01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 2: scenario that I can kind of quickly run through because

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01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 2: it's a possibility on the CBS Draft pick trade value

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01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 2: chart that I use, where you can kind of plug

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01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 2: in different numbers, usually futures, you just kind of go

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01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 2: at the end of the round. And I think it

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01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 2: kind of works for the Bills because they're probably going

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01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 2: to be picking pretty late in the first round next year.

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01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 2: This year's first round pick twenty eight and let's just

1744
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 2: use sixty four for next year's second round pick, would

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01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 2: get the Bills right into that range that almost exactly

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01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 2: pick seventeen. Now that's just this chart. There's other ones

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01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 2: out there. So next year's first gets them close to

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01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: the top ten, and this year's first and next year

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01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 2: second would get them right into the middle of the draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, would get them right into seventeen eighteen by somewhere

1751
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 1: in that ring, right in the high teen.

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01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's it's good to have that in mind.

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01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's all possible, And that's all depending on

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01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: where you're going to value that unknown pick, you know,

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01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 1: and how good the Bills are going to be, and

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01:26:57,800 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 1: if you think the Bills are going to be at

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01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: least twenty fifth in that draft next year. That puts

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01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: them at the fifty seventh pick of the second round,

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01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 1: which is you know whatever, Now you take your pick.

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01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, it'll get you up inside the twenties, yep,

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01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: for sure. And that's that's where you have to sit.

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01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 1: And I'll say this too. What happens is is these

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01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 1: gems will pick up the phone and call in the

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01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 1: days leading up to the in the late days leading

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01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 1: up to the draft, they'll call all their guys and say, Okay, listen,

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01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 1: what are you thinking about this? You guys gonna try

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01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 1: and trade up because we're gonna think and if you

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01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 1: trade back, who might you trade up with? So we

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01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: can talk to them about trading back, yah or trading up?

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01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: And that's that's Those are the conversations you have. I

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01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:45,919
Speaker 1: agree with you if you can. Here's the thing. You're

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01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna give them a You're gonna make a pick,

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01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: so you get that pick, and you're gonna give them

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01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 1: two picks. It's three picks to get that one guy

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01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: that you're absolutely sure of.

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01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 2: Or you think and and you again, I think, what

1777
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 2: needs to be baked into this two things. Wide receiver

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01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 2: to me is the second most important position in football

1779
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 2: today just with how many points are being scored. And

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01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 2: you bake in oh our quarterbacks, Josh Allen. We're not

1781
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 2: hoping Robert Woods is good with EJ. Manuel. We're hoping

1782
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 2: it's you know that you're gonna get the best out

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01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 2: of That's.

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01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 1: That's a difference making factor that you gotta got. You

1785
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta put it in the mix. When you

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01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: got Josh, things change. When you're gonna be right there

1787
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 1: at the doorstep every year, you gotta do stuff like

1788
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: this maybe to get over the over the threshold. Steve Tasker,

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Speaker 1: Chris Rapasso, We're gonna come back, take a break, wrap

1790
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Speaker 1: things up when we get back right after this. This

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Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bill's Radio, and you're listening to One Bill's Live.

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01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Just here to wrap

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01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: things up. We're not gonna have any shows on Friday

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01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,919
Speaker 1: this week, and we will not be back until after Monday.

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Speaker 1: It'll be back on Tuesday, if next week after Dingus Day.

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Speaker 1: I hope everybody has a great holiday weekend. Chris, thanks

1797
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 1: for coming in parachuting in doing it. We had a

1798
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 1: lot of fun conversation. As we get closer, it becomes real, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's fun where it's just I get just

1800
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 2: an open air to just nerd out about the draft,

1801
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,760
Speaker 2: talk specifics of route running and everything. And receiver is

1802
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 2: such a fun position to talk about it if it's

1803
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 2: not quarterback. It's just been a blast to talk about

1804
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 2: all these receivers in this class.

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01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Christrapasso, Steve Tasker, Brownie and I will be back

1806
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: Tuesday of next week, getting ready for the draft. We'll

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01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: have some more We'll take your phone calls again. Thanks

1808
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 1: for all the phone calls today. Lots going on. Congratulations

1809
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 1: to the two guys that the Bills signed to Shaun

1810
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 1: Williams and Austin Johnson. The roster continues to take shape.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week. Everybody, have a great

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01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 1: Easter weekend and as always, go Bills.

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Speaker 5: He