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Speaker 1: Wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Friday, August twenty third, twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: Season fifteen, episode number thirty one. Welcome to the latest

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Speaker 1: edition of The Break. We're life Nest WBC Studios. Uh,

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Speaker 1: happy to be back in here. It feels so good

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Speaker 1: You think that's it. It's not like NFL network or

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Speaker 1: Good Morning. That's a better story to say you're looking

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Speaker 1: at yourself sure than say you're looking at TV. All right, Um,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff I want to get into today.

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Speaker 1: I really have two kind of big topics. Um. The first,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Zeke Elliott and some reports that

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Speaker 1: have broken here over the last twenty four hours. Um,

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Speaker 1: and really more talking about kind of where Zeke should be,

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Speaker 1: where the contract really should look like, and try to

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Speaker 1: dive into some of that stuff and make sense of

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Speaker 1: this whole negotiation. But in addition to that, a little

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Speaker 1: roster and look at different positions where we now see

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Speaker 1: looking at several different positions and players that are on

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Speaker 1: the bubble and what those battles look like at each

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Speaker 1: of those. So that put a little in a little

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Speaker 1: context for the listeners as they watched the preseason game

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Speaker 1: tomorrow night and then the final preseason game next Thursday.

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Speaker 1: So let's start first talking a little bit about Zeke Um.

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Speaker 1: There were a couple of reports. There were two different

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Speaker 1: reports that have kind of happened here that if about

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Speaker 1: the negotiation. There was a report this morning from Kevin

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Speaker 1: Turner and Johnathan Shipman, both work over at one three

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Speaker 1: The basically what was being said was that number one

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Speaker 1: And then the second one was that that there's been

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Speaker 1: Cowboys made an offer to Ezekiel Elliott's team. That would

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Speaker 1: Where do you think Zeke ranks in regard to those guys? First,

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Speaker 1: Because what we've seen throughout the history of your career

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Speaker 1: sign Zeke. I've said it a million times. I'd be

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Speaker 1: happy to. I think it would be a good idea.

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Speaker 1: He deserves it all of my good well exactly. Like

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Speaker 1: if I'm hesitant about one thing, it is the guarantees.

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Speaker 1: And this deal should be very friendly to the cowboys

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Speaker 1: in terms of what they're actually on the hook for.

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Speaker 1: If Zeke wants eighteen million dollars a year, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: That's fine, but you'd make him the highest paid average

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Speaker 1: But I need some assurances that if you screw around

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Speaker 1: how much of it you're on the hook for after

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Speaker 1: allow you to get out of them. I need that, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not carrying of sixteen million dollar cap hit four

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Speaker 1: a non starter. That is everything. I don't care about

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Speaker 1: understand the business and fans don't care if you're in

427
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Speaker 1: uniform and playing and helping win. So no, that'll all

428
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Speaker 1: be forgotten quickly. And okay, let's say so he comes

429
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Speaker 1: in at number two, he will still have gotten himself

430
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Speaker 1: a very nice pay, will be and I and yeah, damn, wow,

431
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Speaker 1: I just tripped all over my I couldn't even talk

432
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Speaker 1: right there. Assuming he doesn't miss games, it was still

433
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 1: the right idea because it raised the urgency and put

434
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: him in the conversation and the Cowboys know that this

435
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 1: is going to be a headache until he gets a

436
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Speaker 1: new deal. Even that's why, like I've been saying all along,

437
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Speaker 1: even if he doesn't get the deal, he'll show up

438
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 1: on like September fourth and be scrumpy about it, but

439
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: he'll be ready to go because he's not going to

440
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 1: miss those game checks. He will be in Jerry Jones's

441
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 1: time with the Cowboys, which is his thirty years, thirty

442
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: full seasons. Now he will be the third running back

443
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 1: to get a second deal. Yeah, maybe I'm missing three. Well,

444
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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm trying to do this in my head here,

445
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: But I mean, emmin obviously did. Marian Barber got another

446
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: one which wasn't a good deal at all. And but

447
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Speaker 1: I don't think any other running back a countdown here

448
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Speaker 1: half of that time, so that makes sense, and it

449
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Speaker 1: probably got a couple. Yeah, do you how do you

450
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Speaker 1: count guys that came here on a second deal, like

451
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: guys that were somewhere else and they signed them as

452
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Speaker 1: free agents on a second, No, you don't count them now.

453
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about you know, you drafted, you were, you

454
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Speaker 1: were here, and then you got another another contract out

455
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Speaker 1: of it, because they've never had well, I mean they've

456
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Speaker 1: had to Marco Murray. You know, that was a big

457
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Speaker 1: deal that to to is he going to sign? You

458
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 1: know that second? You know they had a number in mind,

459
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Speaker 1: and Philly beat it, and I think the Cowboys made

460
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Speaker 1: the right call on that one. But I mean, how

461
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Speaker 1: many Felix Jones didn't get another deal and since Emmett

462
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Speaker 1: retired or left whatever, and how many awesome running backs

463
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: have come through here before, Zeke, I don't know, that's

464
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: the point. I mean, Marion was pretty good for a

465
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Speaker 1: little while. Felix and Julius Jones had like moments. But

466
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Speaker 1: I think with the point, I mean, Emmett probably got

467
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Speaker 1: two deals after you know, two extra contracts. Yeah, and

468
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: I and so he got two contracts and Maryon got one,

469
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Speaker 1: and I think you could make the case that probably

470
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Speaker 1: only one of them was a really good deal, you know,

471
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Speaker 1: am it though that stuff, Emmett was still going in

472
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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl way, you know, at the end of

473
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Speaker 1: their career, so I don't know. I mean, that was

474
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Speaker 1: what they did with him. It was probably right, But

475
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it doesn't happen a lot. You can

476
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Speaker 1: even set the Cowboys record single season record like Murray

477
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Speaker 1: did and didn't get another deal, so's it's not common

478
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Speaker 1: to that this happens with Jerry Jones. Yep, all right,

479
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Speaker 1: let's move on. I want to talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about this final or this third preseason game Cowboys have

481
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Speaker 1: Saturday night. They're play in the Houston Texans. Now that

482
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Speaker 1: we've gone through training camp, or at least training camp

483
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Speaker 1: in Oxnard, we've gone through a week of training camp here,

484
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Speaker 1: one more week left of practices, two practices. Essentially, I

485
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Speaker 1: want to kind of bring into focus the roster battles,

486
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Speaker 1: the positions where there are one or two guys, there

487
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Speaker 1: are two guys, sometimes three guys that are battling for

488
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Speaker 1: one spot on this team, in hopes that the listeners

489
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Speaker 1: kind of know as they're watching this game, here're the

490
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Speaker 1: guys that are battling to either be on the team

491
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Speaker 1: or not make the team, and so you kind of

492
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: know what they need to do in these games. Let's

493
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Speaker 1: at first with the cornerback position. Donovan Alumba versus Mike Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Number one, do you guys agree with that that that

495
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Speaker 1: is the battle? And number two, who do you think wins?

496
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Speaker 1: It's definitely a battle because you're dealing with a guy

497
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Speaker 1: that was on the practice squad last year and then

498
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: a guy that was drafted this year. So Mike Jackson

499
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Speaker 1: would have the lead there. Donovan Alumba has played better

500
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Speaker 1: in every sense, practice and games, so he has the

501
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: lead there. He's got the prototype a little bit more so,

502
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Speaker 1: um than Jackson. But they drafted him, so it's not

503
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: like Chris Chard didn't didn't like what they what he

504
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: saw out of Mike Jackson. So um, I think at

505
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think Alumba has been

506
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Speaker 1: significantly better and I think he would get the he

507
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: would get the job there. Yeah, I tend to agree.

508
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Speaker 1: I mean, the main thing is just that Jackson's a

509
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Speaker 1: draft pick and I said that yesterday, like they loved

510
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Speaker 1: to hold on to those guys, although I was thinking

511
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Speaker 1: about it. You know, Mark Marques Marquees Mark Mark Quz

512
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: White was drafted in the sixth round two years ago

513
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Speaker 1: and they put him on the practice squad and Mike

514
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: Jackson was fifth, but it's similar. So I mean, I

515
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: think once you're talking about the fifth round, you're not

516
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: so hell bent on keeping your guys. And if they

517
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: keep that sixth cornerback, I would guess it would be Alumba. Yeah.

518
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Speaker 1: And the deeper your roster gets, the more you have

519
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Speaker 1: flexibility with fifth round. With a fifth round guy, right,

520
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's harder to make the team because you

521
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: got more depth. And that's one thing that you have

522
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: to say about this team is they've built a really

523
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: nice full roster, Like they've got a lot of talent,

524
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Speaker 1: and it's not just with the starters. They've got some

525
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Speaker 1: talented guys that are not starters at a lot of

526
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Speaker 1: different positions. So it's just harder to make the team

527
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Speaker 1: at certain positions because of that death. Let's move on

528
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: to the safety position. Cavon Frasier versus Darian Thompson is

529
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Speaker 1: at the right battle, All those right two guys I

530
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Speaker 1: have in the battle, and who do you think wins? Dave?

531
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Speaker 1: So you're am I to infer that Donovan Wilson's not

532
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: part of this Donald Wilson making it? What you say, Yester, Yeah,

533
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Speaker 1: I think you're right. No, I just was making sure.

534
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: It's just I think you got the right two guys.

535
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: I think you do too, But it's wild to think that.

536
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, yeah, the sixth round rookie, Like now

537
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: he's on the team, right, You didn't think that on

538
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: draft day. You're just like, oh, let's take a flower

539
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: on six round. Gott see what he can do. I

540
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: think those are the right two guys, but I don't

541
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: even know for sure if it's a battle, because I

542
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: feel really confident that darry and Thompson's going to make

543
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: the team. He's one of your best special teams guys.

544
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: He is one of the smartest guys. He's not you know,

545
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: he's not pushing to be the starting safety. But I

546
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: think if you pulled that side of the building, they

547
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: would say he's probably your third best safety just overall

548
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: in terms of everything he brings you like what Wilson does.

549
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: And so, I mean, I love Cavan to death, But

550
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: if he makes the team, it's only going to be

551
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: because they keep five safeties. Yeah, Like I mean if

552
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: they and we just said we think they'll probably keep

553
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: six cornerbacks, so you keep an eleven dbs, you can.

554
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: It seems like a lot there's a lot of positions

555
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 1: you want to go along at. So Cavon, you know,

556
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: cavan is more of he's more of a special teams guy,

557
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: Like you're not really keeping him because you feel good

558
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: about what he does on defense. So I leaned toward

559
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: thinking he's going to be a veteran cut if I

560
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: had to guess, yeah, I agree with that. Let's move

561
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: on to the quarterback position. Cooper Rush versus Mike White.

562
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: Stop stop it. You got to throw it out there, mabe,

563
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: guys an opportunity, I will say, I mean Mike Whites

564
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: got practice squad eligibility, wouldn't. I mean quarterbacks are weird

565
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: because again, you know, some team could see him and

566
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: be like, oh, we had a fourth round grade on him,

567
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: let's try it out. So you never know. But you, guys,

568
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: although you're completely sold on the idea that Cowboys are

569
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: only keep two though, I just don't understand how you

570
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: could justify that roster spot with all you know, we're

571
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: trying to keep twelve dbs and fifteen defensive linemen and

572
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: you got injuries in the linebacker corps and some of

573
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: these receivers and tight ends of impressed and can't like

574
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Speaker 1: how are you going to justify that if that goes

575
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: down and Cooper Rush goes down, Mike White's not going

576
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,239
Speaker 1: to be the guy you go to anyways. So well,

577
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: the only reason you'd be keeping him is because number one,

578
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: you feel like you want him for the future, and

579
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Speaker 1: number two, you feel like somebody else would take him

580
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: to be the only two reasons I and I hate

581
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: to like sound like this much of a jerk, because

582
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: like I root for all these guys, like they're all

583
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: really they're good dudes for the most part, But like

584
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything, not even like a practice throw

585
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: that makes you go like, oh, okay, that's that's what

586
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: we see, Like that's when we like, there's nothing from

587
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: the games that these other teams would say we got

588
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: to put him on our roster. But that's the games, certainly,

589
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: but like not even practice, you know, like you I

590
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: can't even think of, like, well, well he made that

591
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: amazing throw to Cedric Wilson a couple of weeks ago,

592
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Speaker 1: Like I don't even remember something like that. I just

593
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Speaker 1: I don't know how I didn't even see that unless

594
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Speaker 1: they follow you on Twitter. True. Good point. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's take our final break we'll come back. We have

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Speaker 1: some other positions, the defensive tackle of defensive end positions

597
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: of really interesting. Talk a little bit about running back

598
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: and also the wide receiver position. Will do that when

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Speaker 1: these roster battles. We've already talked about the cornerback and

638
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: the safety position. We also talked about the quarterback position.

639
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the defensive end position. As I figure it,

640
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: you've got a number of guys that are already kind

641
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: of on the team, four to my account, and Quinn

642
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: is obviously gonna probably start the season or we'll definitely

643
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: start the season on the on the list of suspended players.

644
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: The way I look at it, you may may or

645
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: may not they could take if they were going to

646
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: have five defensive ends, then they could go with one

647
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: of these guys. There's a possibility they say they only

648
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: want four defensive ends, in which case then you don't

649
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: take either one. But let's assume if they're gonna take

650
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: an additional one. I think the battles between Joe Jackson

651
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: and Tackle Charlton, what do you guys think? M I

652
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: think they were both gonna make the team. So so

653
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: who's not? Because you got Tank run through this with me.

654
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: You've got Hyder, Tank Hider, Yes, got Crawford, Yes, and

655
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: you've got UM's head down there. Okay, we can't. We

656
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: can't keep six ends and four tackles and just roll

657
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: with ten, especially talk about it, especially since Tyrone Crawford

658
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: can you know, can play some a tackle. Yeah, we've

659
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: seen that before. Um Hyder may be able to go

660
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: inside there too. I think I just think I think

661
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson makes it and I think Tacco makes it.

662
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: I honestly would would would have said that the battle

663
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: there is if they just have to keep Jalen Jelks,

664
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: then Tacos would be the guy out. Okay, so let

665
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: me that would be my Yeah. Let me fast forward

666
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: a week for you though, or a couple of weeks. Yeah, okay,

667
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: because that's that's nice. It's nice to say. But at

668
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: that point, I know you could have another injury that

669
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: lets you keep it. But still do you want to

670
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: have eleven defensive linemen? You know? And so once you

671
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: got Quinn, he's back in the fold. Which one of

672
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: these guys remains in which one is gone? I just

673
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: really believe some something works out. Something you know, there's

674
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: there'll be an injury, there'll be something. It almost all right,

675
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: But if there's an injury, you're probably gonna have to

676
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: feel that, right because whatever role the injury, let's assume

677
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: it's a I don't know, wide receiver, No, you about

678
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: defensive defensive line. I think within think does an injury

679
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: somewhere and that within that group, some one way or another,

680
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: something will shake out. And if you know what if

681
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: Freddy Gregory comes back to the mix, that really changes things. Right. Yeah,

682
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: it's sorry, go ahead. I don't know what I was saying.

683
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's interesting to me because and you know,

684
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: you're great on a on a curve, like Taco and

685
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson have probably done the same amount at camp.

686
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: But one is the first round pick who you're hoping

687
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: to see the light come on, and one is a

688
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: late round rookie. So it's like, oh, he's he's doing stuff.

689
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: He looks great, and Taco you're like, oh, he's doing stuff.

690
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: I guess that's cool. And so I don't know how

691
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: to balance those two things. But it just feels like

692
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: to me, between the Quinn suspension and the fact that

693
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: Taco has done some things, like I just leaned toward

694
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: thinking he'll be on their rosters. We Taco certainly wouldn't

695
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: be surprised if he was cut, But like, if I

696
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: had to make a fifty three right now, I'd probably

697
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: put Taco on it. If you had to choose between

698
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: those two, you would put him ahead of Joe Jackson

699
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: in terms of like getting onto the field for a game,

700
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: probably just making the team, making the fifty three man roster.

701
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: If you had to choose between those two, you're going

702
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: with Tacco. I'd go with Joe Jackson. Think that's tough

703
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: because that's just pure reading between the lines, because the

704
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: guy that owns the team brings up Joe Jackson every

705
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: time he talks, right, and also just hearing from around

706
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: you know, the whispers that we've heard that a lot

707
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: of people are ready to just say move on from him,

708
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: from Taco. No, And that's something to consider too, Like

709
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: he's he's not like the most beloved guy by any

710
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. I mean, who would be fired

711
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: if if Joe Jackson gets cut and gets claimed by

712
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: somebody else and has turns into the guy who was

713
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: the guy oh Man sixth round pick, he went to

714
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: the Colts, went to the Packers. Eric when if he

715
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: turned into that, yeah, no better better player than a

716
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: lot of people that were would have cut that year. Um,

717
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: and so you know you would hate for that to happen.

718
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: And you kept Taco and nothing really changed there, and

719
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: thought it would maybe be the same thing if Taco

720
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: were cut, and then he goes somewhere else and turns

721
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: into this pretty good player. Right, I'm not seeing that happening.

722
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: You just don't trust it. That's an option if Rod Marinelli.

723
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: You didn't get it from Rod Marinelli, I don't know

724
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get it. That's what I believe. You know,

725
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: I do believes in position, That's what I believe. But

726
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: I do believe different guys are motivated by different things,

727
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: and sometimes the voice that's in their ear has a

728
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: way of affecting some guys in a way. Let's say,

729
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: for example, the way Rod is. You know, Rod's in

730
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: your face. It doesn't he doesn't relent. Some guys maybe

731
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: just don't handle that kind of pressure in that kind

732
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: of coaching. Well, maybe they respond better to a coach

733
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: that's a little more. Let's sit down and have a conversation,

734
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: let me just talk to you, and and and maybe

735
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: that's and I'm not again, I'm these are all generalizations.

736
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: My point is, though, I think they're the where you're drafted,

737
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: as far as the environment that you go into has

738
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: a huge part to play and how well you develop

739
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: and what your career ends up being. So I don't

740
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: ever put it past the player that doesn't work out

741
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: here going somewhere else and having a different set of

742
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: circumstances that makes them a much better player or got it,

743
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: has success here and go somewhere else and they're not

744
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: that play. Not only that, but I mean, you know,

745
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: the circumstances in the sense that, like I think it

746
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: really weighs on Taco that he's you know, the lone

747
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: first round pick who's really not living up to the billing.

748
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: You know, like we draft all pros in the first

749
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: round here except Taco. Like I think that weighs on him.

750
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: And you know, if he got a chance to go

751
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: somewhere where there's less pressure on him and he's just like, oh,

752
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: let's see what we got just one of the guys. Yeah,

753
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: I think it could be better for him, But I

754
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: still I just I don't I don't pick between the

755
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: two of them because I think they'll both find a

756
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: way onto the roster. Do you think both of them

757
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,479
Speaker 1: make it? I think so. Yeah. I think if there's

758
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 1: a if there's a pick there, it would be Jail

759
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: and Jolks. If Jolkes goes out and plays in this game, plays, well,

760
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a tough you know. If he doesn't

761
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: play at all, I think we know what's going on.

762
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's always fun, is watching that kind of stuff,

763
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 1: what they do with these guys as these games wind down,

764
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: Like you know, the fourth preseason game is the one

765
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: where all the young guys are supposed to get in,

766
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: but all of a sudden, this guy Joe Jackson and

767
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson are wearing baseball caps and you're like, damn,

768
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: you don't even have to fight for this thing. Well,

769
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: they either they're on the team or they're trying to hide. Yeah,

770
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: you just don't want anybody else to see what you

771
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 1: might have. Yes, I mean, Karen Christian might be dude

772
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: number ninety on this entire roster, but like they're not,

773
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: they don't seem super interesting. It and showing him off

774
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: because they don't want anybody to see what they might have.

775
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on the defensive tackle. You got Malik,

776
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: you got Antoine, you got Triston Hill. I think that

777
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: are all making this team. My assumption is that because

778
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford can also play defensive tackle, maybe even hyder Um,

779
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: that you're only going to get one of these guys

780
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: onto the final roster. Daniel Ross, I'm sorry, Daniel Ross,

781
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: Daniel Wise or Ricky Walker, you guys agree with that.

782
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: You said you said Christian Covington, Antoine Woods, and Malik College.

783
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: He did not say Christian. I completely forgot. My third

784
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: was Tristan Hill. Oh oh wow, I forgot. He's making

785
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: about the rookies, mate, So do either one of these

786
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: guys have a shot at making this team. It's with

787
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford. It's hard there for me to imagine. It's

788
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: hard for me to imagine. And all we sold that

789
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: Christian Covington makes this team. I am, I am, He's

790
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: like makes it. Okay, Yeah, I completely forgot him. I

791
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: have and I like him a lot. I'm willing to

792
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: go out there and like I'm going go out on

793
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: the limb and say, like those four our locks. I

794
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: really think though, so there's no way, especially when we're

795
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: talking about defensive tackle. Now, if you're gonna take one

796
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: of these three guys, that means that you're willing to

797
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: go shorter at defensive end, and neither one of those

798
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: two guys Joe Jackson or tackle Chalcoot. That's team. That's

799
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: why I've been I've said this a million times since

800
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: we started camp, like, I don't know what to do

801
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: with the defensive line, because I do. They want eight.

802
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: That seems crazy, but they've carried it before. They could

803
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: go as high as eleven. Like, if you're telling me

804
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: I can have six ends and five tackles, let's go.

805
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: Like if that, I'm down with that. I don't know

806
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: if they are. They might only go with nine. It's

807
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: going to be a surprise in here. Somebody's gonna get

808
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: cut that we don't There could be a Dan Bailey

809
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: type situation going on here. We don't know. Yeah, you

810
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: really don't, because it is. I mean, Walker has come

811
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: on strong and Wise has been versatile and impressive all

812
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: through camps. So and honestly, I feel bad for Daniel Ross.

813
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: He might be the most like, he is not a

814
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: bad player, and it just kind of gets lost in

815
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: the shuffle because he's not a draft pick, he's not

816
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: a rookie. He like he came here under weird circumstances,

817
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: Like he came onto the practice squad halfway through the

818
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: season and nobody knew who he was, and he really

819
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: didn't get into the rotation until late last year. So

820
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: he's just like the forgotten man. And it's not because

821
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: he's not a good player. Yeah, yeah, So I don't

822
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: know what to do with that. But Tristan Hill, Christian Covington,

823
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods, Malik Collins, Like I almost think that's non negotiable,

824
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: and if you can sneak a fifth one in there,

825
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: somehow it more power too. It really might come down

826
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: to though, like you know, let's say five five linemen,

827
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: five tackles, five ends, and then if you do keep

828
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: an eleventh guy, it'll be like between the best rookie

829
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: overall of Joe Jackson, Ricky Ricky Walker, Daniel Wise, Like

830
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: it would be those guys right there, Like because with

831
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: the versatil players you've got that could go inside and out,

832
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: it's just give me the best prospect of the group,

833
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: and I think Joe Jackson would still win that. And

834
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: if you get if you got two of those, So

835
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: now I can pick between Ricky Walker, Daniel Wise, and

836
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: Jalen Jelks. I think it would be wise because you

837
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: can play. Both played a lot. I think they would

838
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: play wise. If you look at how they've all played,

839
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: I think I would go with Walker. I think Walker

840
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: has been consistently better than the other two. Maybe maybe

841
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm giving Taco Charlton too long of a leash right now,

842
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: because I'm sitting here saying, like, you gotta sit down

843
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: and have a hard conversation, be like, what is the

844
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: better odds that like one of these rookies who's shown

845
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: us something meets some of that potential, or that the

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Speaker 1: number one first round pick in his third year gets it.

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Speaker 1: I hate thinking this because I really like the guy.

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Speaker 1: But what if they cut Crawford? Well, I said that.

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Speaker 1: I've been talking about that during camp because I think

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Speaker 1: that that's the part where you have to kind of wonder,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you've got all this young talent that

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Speaker 1: you're really really like, and you look at him, you say,

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Speaker 1: is Tyrone even gonna be here next year or the

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Speaker 1: year after then maybe you say I'd rather get rid

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Speaker 1: of the I'd rather get rid of the guy that

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Speaker 1: I'd know in my mind. Let's assume the Cowboys believe

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Speaker 1: that he won't be here. I'd rather go and get

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Speaker 1: rid of that guy and keep this young talent I

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Speaker 1: think I can develop. Then keep that guy and basically

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Speaker 1: have him for a year maybe two, and then he's

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Speaker 1: gonna walk out of the door. Anyway, he played really

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Speaker 1: well last year, though he did, and you talked about it.

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Speaker 1: You guys both talked about it. He's a leader of

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Speaker 1: this team, so you gotta factor that in, right. Tyrone

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Speaker 1: Crawford strikes me almost like Jason Witten, where like it's

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Speaker 1: not impressive watching it on TV, and you know he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have gaudy' sack totals. But you talk to a

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Speaker 1: football coach and they're like, we're not wearing I play

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Speaker 1: the game without Tyrone or you're crazy, Like he sets

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Speaker 1: the edge better than anybody. He helps us with our

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Speaker 1: stunts and our double teams better than anybody, Like what

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Speaker 1: are you talking about? Like that's how I view Tyrone Crawford,

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Speaker 1: and I would just and add that to his leadership

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Speaker 1: and mean he's a captain and you you know to

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Speaker 1: you don't save a ton of money cutting him this year,

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Speaker 1: so I would just be pretty surprised if that happened.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we appreciate you guys join us. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back on Monday. I think we'll be a check the

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Speaker 1: what the team's schedule is and we'll work around that

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Speaker 1: for this last week of training camp before we head

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Speaker 1: into the regular season and get on a more permanent

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Speaker 1: and regular schedule too. Then for Nick even David Hellman,

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Speaker 1: I'm Derek Elden. This has been The Break live on

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