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Speaker 2: It's spooky and Judy, I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's

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Speaker 3: By ros Dress, Hey boo, it's me ros Dress Falas

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Speaker 3: reporting from the shower studios at my boyfriend's home in

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Speaker 3: San Diego.

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Speaker 2: I had a wonderful weekend. We went to Joshua Tree,

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Speaker 2: which I feel that anytime I'm out in the desert,

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Speaker 2: it's just it's such it's such a magical place, and

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Speaker 2: there is a ton of paranormal phenomenon. I mean, anytime

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Speaker 2: I'm in the desert, I'm fully convinced it I'll be

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Speaker 2: abducted by aliens. And I was reading a bit about

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Speaker 2: paranormal phenomenal in Joshua Tree, and I was reading about

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Speaker 2: bigfoot cryptid creature that's been spotted out there. And I

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Speaker 2: was also reading about some UFO sightings, but I did

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Speaker 2: not see anything. I did go to a flea market

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Speaker 2: out there, and I saw a really cool vintage they said,

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Speaker 2: nineteen fifties Wiji board that was up for sale and

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Speaker 2: it was real cheap, and I thought about it. It

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Speaker 2: crossed my mind. But then I remembered the experience I had,

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Speaker 2: which I told in episode one of the show with

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Speaker 2: a wigi board. And I'm not listen, I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: all wigi boards are the same. I'm not trying to generalize,

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Speaker 2: but it crossed my mind. I said, do do I

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Speaker 2: need Should I have it for the content so I

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Speaker 2: can have something to report on, But ultimately I decided

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Speaker 2: not to, and I think that was the right decision.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I am so excited about the conversation that

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Speaker 2: is on the show today. I talked to Nico Case,

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Speaker 2: who I'm sure many of you know. She is an

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Speaker 2: incredible musical powerhouse and musician, songwriter, singer, and I tell

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Speaker 2: the story in the conversation of how this all came

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Speaker 2: to be. But I'm just so honored that she sat

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Speaker 2: down with me and we chatted about ghosts. It is

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Speaker 2: not the kind that has necessarily she doesn't necessarily have

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Speaker 2: her own ghost stories, but we you know, we read

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Speaker 2: some listener stories and we talk about various things, and honestly,

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Speaker 2: as well. So without further ado, on with the show.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Nico, how are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, well, first of all, I'm very starstruck right now,

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Speaker 2: and I can't even like believe how this all came

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Speaker 2: to be because I just was, you know, doing my

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Speaker 2: typical sitting around watching Golden Girls or whatever I was doing,

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Speaker 2: and then I got this tweet that I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this is cute, like a Nico case, like fan account

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Speaker 2: or something was talking about how they listened to Ghosted,

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Speaker 2: and then I click on it and it's actually you.

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Speaker 4: It's me, And I have to give credit to man

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Speaker 4: friend Jeff, who is my boyfriend, who is actually in

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Speaker 4: the background looking for our meteorologist information that we collected

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Speaker 4: the night of the the last time I saw the

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Speaker 4: Will of the Wisps, which we'll get to. But he's

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Speaker 4: the person who turned me onto your show because he

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Speaker 4: loves about the paranormal. And he's a super shy person,

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Speaker 4: so he probably won't say this, but he he loves

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Speaker 4: the fact that you will actually laugh about ghosts. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Because he listens to a million shows about the paranormal.

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Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, people don't usually they don't talk about

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's unexplained. That's why to me, it's of

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Speaker 2: I feel like you have to just laugh about some

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Manfred.

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Speaker 1: Jeff he's in the.

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Speaker 4: Back, he's all he's all read right now. He's also

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Speaker 4: being the meteorologist of how what the perfect conditions for

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let's talk about that because we have not

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Speaker 2: talked about this phenomenon on this show before. And you

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Speaker 2: what's a will of the wisp?

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Speaker 4: Well? The will of the wisp, strangely enough, started out

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Speaker 4: I was like, okay, well, let's go look. So we

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Speaker 4: No, Because we could still see the grass. It was

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Speaker 2: But not like a firefly, No, not.

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Speaker 4: Like a firefly. It was as though, you know how

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Speaker 4: real thing. And so I read a lot about fairy lights,

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Speaker 2: Well, or if you're ros's dressful as who I'm somebody

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Speaker 2: But if there's a possibility that I could blame it

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Speaker 2: It's way more fun, which okay, I.

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Speaker 4: Have plenty of room for that in my life. I

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Speaker 2: Well, so I was because I've heard of this phenomenon before,

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Speaker 4: But one of the things was really gracefulul it's really beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, but then when I was like learning about

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Speaker 2: So you've never had like a ghost experience, no.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I travel all over the world and

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Speaker 2: Really, can you think of really super new, Like what's

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Speaker 4: That well, the one that I've been to the most

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Speaker 4: The man, Oh, I'm looking at the zillow right now.

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Speaker 2: But now so then it belonged legally haunted. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that was possible. Yeah, I guess so

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Speaker 2: so it. Then it was sold to the filmmaker Adam Brooks,

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Speaker 2: Have you ever done a Ouiji board?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? When I was little, But everybody would always admit

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Speaker 2: I know, That's how it always is.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think sometimes maybe just talking about it and

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Speaker 4: The ghost podcasts about your show. I know.

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Speaker 2: That's the funny thought, is like ghosts thinking, Okay, these

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Speaker 2: people have it so wrong, like I did not even

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Speaker 4: Ghost messages like deciphering the ghost messages. Those are the

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Speaker 2: The EVPs?

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Speaker 4: The ev please is the funniest.

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Speaker 2: We can listen to them. Do you want to listen

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Speaker 4: Oh? What do you got?

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Speaker 4: I want to figure out what these ghosts are saying.

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Speaker 4: Maybe in I don't know.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's time for EVP or e ev please okay, nikokas,

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Speaker 2: I you know how this works. I go to YouTube,

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Speaker 2: one I found. It's in New Iberia, Louisiana, at a

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Speaker 2: Louisiana Paranormal Society. Tell me what you think this ghost

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Speaker 4: I think that ghost was just hissing. Like I didn't

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Speaker 2: Let me play it one more time and let's really

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Speaker 4: I heard the voice. It sounded like a man.

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Speaker 2: Yes, here, I'll give you some options.

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Speaker 4: Toilet paper, like in another part of the house, Like

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Speaker 2: Me early quarantine. That's a good guess. Let me give

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Speaker 4: Somebody stranded in the afterlife having an experience.

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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that's a thing in

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Speaker 2: what what of the human experience you still have to

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't imagine you eat a lot, but I don't. Right,

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Speaker 4: maybe we're just weaned on shows about ghosts and vampires

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Speaker 2: Well, here's some options.

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Speaker 1: I suppose is it a poor gravy, b disobey me?

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Speaker 1: Is it c poor baby or d old navy?

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Speaker 4: I'd think i'd biased, but I just want poor gravy.

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Speaker 2: I can hear that they believe it's poor baby. I

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Speaker 2: one more time. I can see that, I can see that.

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Speaker 2: I'll say it.

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Speaker 4: I mean that that makes me think of something, which

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what's crazy is that I have had

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and why not. I mean it's sort of like

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Speaker 2: That's what it seems to be.

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Speaker 4: You put your stink on it.

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Speaker 2: Essentially, that's exactly what it is. You put your stank

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Speaker 4: Here? It is?

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Speaker 2: Do you hear anything?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think she's either saying help or out yeah?

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Speaker 2: Uh hell I played again.

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Speaker 4: There's like a second half that I can't really understand,

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Speaker 2: I'm a ghost. B No, I'll do it sort of.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she was having like one of those like hold

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Speaker 4: I'm just hearing no I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: actually kind of hear no, I'll do it. No, I'll

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Speaker 4: She was a brady ghost. I should say, she's probably

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Speaker 2: Can I read you a ghost story?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been ghosted too.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is from Julie who listens to the show.

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Speaker 2: And Julie said to me, I work as a clerk

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Speaker 2: When you come into the building, you can turn right

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Speaker 2: One day, late September of twenty fifteen, a woman walked

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Speaker 2: the chair in front of my desk and proceeds to

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00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: pay her tax bill. We chat for a minute or

437
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: two about the weather and whatnot, just every day chit chat.

438
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: Nothing in particular that I can remember. But as we

439
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: were chatting, I was thinking to myself, God, that little

440
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 2: girl is being awfully quiet. I wonder what she's up

441
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: to out there. The woman stands up, says to me,

442
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: have a great day, and heads out the front door.

443
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: Of course, my first thought was, what the hell did

444
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: she just leave her kid here? I get up from

445
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: my desk, walk into the other room and find that

446
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 2: it's completely empty. Okay, so what I'm wondering is I

447
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: don't know. I sent a message to Julie because I

448
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: couldn't tell. But is the woman a ghost and the

449
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: little girl a ghost?

450
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 4: Well, the little girl and the women were talking to

451
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 4: each other when they came in, or was it just

452
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 4: a little girl talking to the woman and she didn't hear.

453
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: Oh. Now that's fascinating to think about, because that's what

454
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, Like, they seem like a ghost pair that

455
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: they were talking to each other. Also, do you have

456
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: to pay taxes when you were a ghost?

457
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 4: Well, in this administration, you probably right, but I don't know,

458
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: I would think not.

459
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: So I thought that was kind of an interesting story.

460
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: But it kind of feels like that that I do crazy.

461
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: I totally picture that scenario too.

462
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, she just comes in little Skia.

463
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 4: Jacket and just I could totally see it.

464
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes ghosts don't necessarily look like you know,

465
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: see through and sometimes they just look like a normal

466
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: everyday person. So you know you may have seen ghosts before.

467
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 4: That's a really good point.

468
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: So next time you're playing at one of these old

469
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: haunted theaters and you see some old timey looking person,

470
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: it might not be a hipster Nico.

471
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 4: Now I'm gonna have to touch everyone.

472
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: If they're not wearing a mask, they might not have

473
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: had the memo.

474
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not allowed to go back to

475
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: work for at least a year.

476
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: So that's how I feel.

477
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: The ghosts will have time to listen to this podcast

478
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 4: and stay far away from me if they don't want

479
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 4: me to be touching them.

480
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: See these poor ghosts and places like haunted theaters, Like

481
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: what are they doing this whole time?

482
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 4: Just swaning around? Yeah, they're probably hurting their lines. Yeah,

483
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: and a lot of the like most of the places

484
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 4: where there's ghosts, they used to be like you know,

485
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 4: theater theaters where people did plays and stuff like that.

486
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, the actors definitely. And I think a

487
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: lot of people, a lot of people think that theaters

488
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: are haunted because even today, there's so much energy coming

489
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: in and out, you know, so many different people, so

490
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: many different emotions that kind of can feed it.

491
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 4: And they're built for acoustics, so any tiny little disturbance

492
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 4: that my like, I bet they're haunted, mostly because it's

493
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 4: the funnest place for a ghost to live. Yeah, it's

494
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 4: way easier to communicate somewhere like that. I would think.

495
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: You know, a theater I was in a couple months ago,

496
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: that's haunted. Have you ever been to the Chapel in

497
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: San Francisco?

498
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 4: No, I never have.

499
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: It's a music venue and they caught a little ghost

500
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: child running around their I think kitchen on security camera

501
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: and it's on YouTube and it's real creepy. But it's

502
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: a cool music venue.

503
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 4: Ghost child running around like somebody went to the theater

504
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: with their mom and got left. Maybe.

505
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: Oh well, actually, one thing I forgot to mention is

506
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: that it used to be a morgue. Oh so there's that, right, right,

507
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: But now it's a really cool.

508
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 4: Musically die at the morgue, though, I guess it's supposed

509
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: to be more related to where you die rather than

510
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 4: your dead body hanging out somewhere.

511
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 2: Well, that's what's so interesting. I mean, I didn't have

512
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: any idea. I had very little idea of how ghosts

513
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: were before I started talking to people on this podcast.

514
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: And it seems like, no, that's not even always the case.

515
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily where you die. It could be a

516
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: place that you love to go. It could be and

517
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: even with like a morgue, you especially back in the day,

518
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: like what if you were still alive and they just

519
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: didn't know, you know, and then you ended up dying there.

520
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: I don't know where did you grow up Washington?

521
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: Yes, Washington State.

522
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: So did you have like folklore of where you lived?

523
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 4: No, it was just super creepy.

524
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: What was creepy?

525
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 4: It was literally one of the creepiest. What was like

526
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: everywhere left Washington, Like I lived all over western Washington

527
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 4: and it was you know, we were living while I

528
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 4: was a kid. All the murders of the Green River

529
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 4: Killer were happening Ted Bundy and all that stuff was

530
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 4: going on when I was a kid, and so the

531
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 4: news was always about horrible things happening to women. Wow.

532
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: And it was really extra creepy because they never like

533
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 4: with the Green River Killer, he often preyed on women

534
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 4: who were involved with prostitutions, so they wouldn't ever call

535
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: them women either. They just would say prostitute. Right, A

536
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 4: little girl with no one to explain that to me,

537
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 4: I was like, what is that? And you know Washington

538
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 4: has a thing about it that it's Western Washington. That's

539
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 4: just I don't know, I find it really creepy. I

540
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 4: could never live there again. I don't think I love

541
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: it and it's my home, but at the same time,

542
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 4: it's it's very dark. I felt very validated when Twin

543
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: Peaks came out, like see how all this time and then,

544
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 4: I don't know, it still has that energy for me

545
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 4: when I'm there, but yeah, you know. But then as

546
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: a kid, I also didn't really have any parents, and

547
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 4: so my friends and I would do really stupid things

548
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: like hitchhike on weird highways around the peninsula for the week.

549
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 4: Like it wasn't very smart. So maybe I just am

550
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 4: not haunty because so many horrible actual things could happen

551
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 4: at any time.

552
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: What do you maan, like, you're not haunty?

553
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 4: People disappearing, being murdered, stuff like that, not like their

554
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 4: ghosts would come back and talk to you. But like

555
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: I always felt like there was definitely bad human everywhere, right,

556
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: shady bad.

557
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: Humans definitely, I mean.

558
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 4: And I mean there are other places I've gone that

559
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 4: I felt like, Okay, there's some serious darkness here, Like

560
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 4: Colorado gives me that feeling too.

561
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: What do you think about like a haunted doll or

562
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: something like that. Would you, since you're open to these experiences,

563
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: would you welcome one of those into your house?

564
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 4: Well, I mean no, not if they're like the ones

565
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: that are in all the movies I've seen, but I like, suddenly,

566
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 4: just hear some lullaby happening. That'd be fine.

567
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: Wait, that just reminded me somebody sent me a story.

568
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: Oh maybe that would be kind of cool.

569
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: Oh do a collab.

570
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would totally record that.

571
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: Somebody just sent me a Wait, somebody sent me a

572
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: story about a haunted object. Can I read you one

573
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 2: more story?

574
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

575
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: Please? Here it is one a second. It's a little

576
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: bit longer, so if you get sick of me, just

577
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: hang up.

578
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: There's no such thing as that.

579
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: It's not that long though. Okay, this is from Sherry,

580
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: who listens to the show. She says, my name is Cher.

581
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, chaer, my name is Cher. I absolutely adore

582
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 2: you and your podcast. Oh thank you. I've been binging

583
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: old episodes and there have been a few episodes where

584
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: you've discussed buying haunted dolls off of eBay. It made

585
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 2: me think that I should send you this story because

586
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: it's one of the weirdest and still unexplained things that

587
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: has ever happened to me. My dad is an antique

588
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: trader slash collector, and he has always preferred to collect oddities.

589
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: I have had weird paranormal experiences my whole life. I

590
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: mostly blame it on all the weird stuff slash energy

591
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: my dad is constantly bringing into our home by buying

592
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: all these items. One day, my dad decided to purchase

593
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: an antique Wigi board and plan chat. About three weeks later,

594
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: we get two fairly large boxes in the mail when

595
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: there should only have been one box. My dad called

596
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: me out to the garage to open the Ouigi board

597
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: with him. My dad was equally puzzled about the two boxes,

598
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: but they were both addressed to him. He opened the

599
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: first box and there was the Wigi board, complete with

600
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: the plan chat, which was like the little thing you

601
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: put your fingers on. I opened the second box, and

602
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: to my horror, I saw an antique doll staring up

603
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: at me. It gave me a horrible feeling the moment

604
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: I saw it. My Dad took it from me and

605
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: looked it over and had no idea why it was

606
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: sent to us. The box also had no return address. Basically,

607
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: we thought the person who sold us the Ouiji board

608
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: had accidentally sent the doll to the wrong person. My

609
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 2: dad contacted her and sent her pictures of the doll

610
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: and the seller said that she had never seen it before.

611
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: To be honest, I think she was trying to get

612
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: rid of the doll. We did some research and found

613
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: out it was a German doll from the eighteen hundreds.

614
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: These dolls can be worth an upward of three hundred dollars,

615
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: so it's kind of weird that somebody would give it up.

616
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: As much as the doll freaked me out, I was

617
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: still curious to see if it was haunted. One night,

618
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 2: I took one of these wind up toys, a little Chicken,

619
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: which uses a key to wind up. I made sure

620
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 2: the toy was not wound up, and placed it leaning

621
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: against the doll a certain way, and then leapt it overnight.

622
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: I told no one in the house I was doing this.

623
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 2: The next morning, I went to check on the doll.

624
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: The toy was facing the opposite way when I had

625
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: placed it the night before. Then I had placed it

626
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: the night before. I picked up the toy and it

627
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: started to hop on its own in my hands. It

628
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: had somehow been wound up while the key wasn't even

629
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 2: close to it. This freaked me out, and I never

630
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: messed with the doll again. When the doll we had

631
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 2: the dolls sitting out on our mantle for a while,

632
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: but everyone who came over absolutely hated the doll, even

633
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: people who didn't know the story.

634
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 4: I know.

635
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: They would comment that they felt like the doll was

636
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: watching them and they could feel her eyes on the

637
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: back of their heads. It got to the point where

638
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: my dad put the doll in our storage room in

639
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: a box. Then whenever someone would go in that room,

640
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: they would say the energy in there felt dark. Side note,

641
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: every time we brought the doll out, my dog acted

642
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: scared and would run away. About a year later, my

643
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: dad tried to sell it to a local buy and

644
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: sell site, a lady who was very interested. She contacted

645
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: him many times, saying that she was excited to get

646
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: this doll, sent him a check for two hundred dollars,

647
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: which she paid for the doll in full. She was

648
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: on sale because she was worth three hundred, and sold

649
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: her for two hundred. She said she lived in another

650
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: city but visited our city every few months. Her plan

651
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: was to stop in a few weeks to pick it up.

652
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: She never showed up to get the doll and never

653
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: contacted us again, never answered my dad's phone calls or emails.

654
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 2: We believe that the doll was not ready to leave

655
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: and wasn't going anywhere without the board, So maybe it

656
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: did something to the lady or she suddenly changed her

657
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: mind and never asked for her money back. Question mark.

658
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: My dad held on to the doll for another six months,

659
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: but the lady never contacted him again. She put the doll.

660
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: He put the doll back up for sale, and another

661
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: woman bought it. We told her the story of the

662
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: doll because it didn't feel right to just give someone

663
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: a haunted doll. But it turns out this woman was

664
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: into creepy stuff and ended up taking the doll to

665
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: a medium. She updated us and said that the medium

666
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: didn't suspect any quote bad vibes from it. But I

667
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: don't know. After living with it for almost two years,

668
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: I would have to disagree. All in all, I'm glad

669
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: that the doll decided to move on and leave us alone.

670
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: It sounds like the woman really cares for it. We

671
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: still have the Ouiji board. It doesn't seem to have

672
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: anything attached to it. Interesting. So do you want to

673
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 2: buy a onto doll?

674
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 4: No? But I definitely know it's not weird for those

675
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 4: little wind up chickens to just start hopping on their own.

676
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 4: So I don't think the doll did that. Okay, I'm

677
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 4: all like chicken, those are all but the what about

678
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 4: no chicken?

679
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're the one that has the little baby

680
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 2: chicks in the other room.

681
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: I had a bunch of those wind up toys too,

682
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 4: and they would often just go off on their own.

683
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: Well, what I guess is the really weird part is

684
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: that it came in the mail. But I do like

685
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: the idea that the doll was like, uh, I am

686
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: not done here yet.

687
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then the doll was just waiting for the

688
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 4: second la.

689
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: Yess So, But check out eBay if you ever want to,

690
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: you know, find a benign haunted doll that might just

691
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: be a.

692
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: I've never looked for haunted items, but this is going

693
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 4: to be good.

694
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no time like a quarantine.

695
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 4: No, you're absolutely.

696
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 2: Right unless you're me. And that's how you spend your

697
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: regular time.

698
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 4: I just picture you scrolling through the ghost videos that

699
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 4: people send you.

700
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love it.

701
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 4: What is your favorite scrolling snack while you are you know,

702
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 4: checking out the different videos, Like do you have a

703
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 4: specific setup, Like, okay, I've got my corn flakes and

704
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 4: my gigantic iced tea. I'm going to scroll through some

705
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: ghost videos and validate.

706
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm usually I drink so much coffee and

707
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: then I'm always wondering why I can't sleep and why

708
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: I have so much anxiety. So the ghosts before bedtime

709
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: and then the coffee, it's just it doesn't it's not smart.

710
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: This is yeah, this is what it's like to be me.

711
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 4: Well do you, I mean, where you live. Do you

712
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: feel any sort of disturbances in your own home that

713
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 4: you live in? Like, do you do you think there's

714
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: anything going on where you live or do you feel

715
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 4: like there? Because I've lived in places where I don't

716
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 4: think there was ever a single time that I've been

717
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 4: like freaked out by anything, right, and I felt so

718
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 4: overly safe that I couldn't imagine something like that happening.

719
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 4: And so therefore I don't know what I'm trying to say.

720
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, now where I live currently, and I've always

721
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 2: my entire life been, if I go to a new place,

722
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, is this haunted? Don't lie to me to

723
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 2: the person that's the order or whatever.

724
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 4: And it is clothes immediately.

725
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'll send them the link to madus Yahu's house,

726
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: and I'll say, you legally have to tell me, but

727
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: I have not had that problem where I live now.

728
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: But I've been staying in San Diego with my boyfriend

729
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: and I've been doing I've been doing way too much

730
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: antiquing on the internet, just like buying all kinds of

731
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 2: like nineteen sixties paraphernalia. And you know, people are constantly

732
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: telling me you have to sage it. You have to

733
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: you know, who knows who died wearing that outfit or whatever.

734
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: And I'll be honest, I don't always do that. And

735
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 2: so I've been bringing so many things into his house and.

736
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 4: I don't know.

737
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: We had a moment or two where something fell over

738
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: that should not have fallen over when there was no

739
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: gust of wind, that kind of moment. So I'm going

740
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 2: to keep my eyes out for it because I think

741
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: that it's possible some kind of energy could be here.

742
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: But otherwise, I mean, nothing too crazy.

743
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I will send you the perfect weather conditions

744
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 4: to see Will of the Wisp. Yeah, I could read

745
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 4: them on the show. I don't really know how exciting

746
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 4: they'll be. Like this' here air pressure, air pressure has

747
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 4: to be thirty point three eight inches, visibility five miles,

748
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 4: clouds partly cloudy, dew point thirty six fahrenheit, humidity ninety

749
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 4: six percent, zero rainfall, zero snow. And this always happens

750
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 4: in like October.

751
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 2: Now, what part of the world are you in.

752
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 4: I live in northeastern Vermont, and I live in some

753
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 4: foothills and there are lots of fields, and I think

754
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 4: that one of the things is is there's like a

755
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 4: field behind us, Like we live on the side of

756
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 4: a mountain, which is not a mountain if you don't

757
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 4: live in in the Appalachian Chain, if you live out west,

758
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 4: You're like, that's not a mountain, that's like a hill.

759
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 4: But there's like these little valleys. So I think that

760
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 4: certain areas retain this kind of moisture and then it's

761
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 4: kind of unseasonally warm, but then it's kind of wet

762
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 4: out and you know, I've the last time I saw

763
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 4: the will of the Wisp, I was outside and I

764
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 4: remember looking up and going, is it a full moon tonight?

765
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 4: That moon is massive, And then I was like, wait

766
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: a minute, the moon doesn't rise in the west, so

767
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 4: I was like, that has to be And then sure,

768
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 4: enough it was that.

769
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: But now let me just ask you this. Have you

770
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 2: had neighbors or people that live in in the area

771
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: or anybody else confirm that that's what that is is

772
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: and that it isn't indeed a ghost monster.

773
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 4: I have heard other people say that it's not totally uncommon,

774
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 4: but you know in hilly areas and Vermont. You know,

775
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 4: Vermont doesn't feel that haunty to me, but nothing really does.

776
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: See that's my problem. Ah, I want to feel it,

777
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 4: but I'm too ham fisted with my feelings.

778
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: I guess, well, yeah, I believe in.

779
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: You not the right kind of sensitive.

780
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: I really do think that these ghosts are going to

781
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 2: be so ready for some human action.

782
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 4: So okay, if they move in too, like I would

783
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 4: welcome them, They're totally welcome to hang out. Well, I

784
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 4: place to nestle in.

785
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: I was one other thing I was gonna say about

786
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: will of the Whist if you ever get sick of

787
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: calling them that there are According to this website genies

788
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: dot fandom dot com, there are some other names you

789
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: can use, which include Jack a Lantern, Friar's Lantern, pinky Punk,

790
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: and hobby Lantern.

791
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 4: Oh I haven't heard hanky punk in a while.

792
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: Or you can call them spook lights or ghost lights.

793
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 4: H I like it well. And also the horrible monster

794
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 4: that Jeff saw in the woods turned out to be

795
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 4: a loose cow, and he said that he was he

796
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 4: was here, but it was like the first time he

797
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 4: was ever staying out here by himself, and the dogs

798
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 4: were going crazy the next night, and he said he

799
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 4: turned his head and some giant thing went by the

800
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 4: window like a horrible It turned out it was one

801
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 4: of my neighbor's cows, which happens quite a bit, so

802
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 4: I see them a lot. Oh, oh my god, it's

803
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 4: so weird that I was that we were having an

804
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 4: argument about what sort of horrifying monster might be in

805
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: the woods and then actually saw the will of the Wisp.

806
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 4: I was like, what it really was scary.

807
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 2: That is so cool. Try to film it next time.

808
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: I do have a video which I will send you.

809
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 4: It is really unimpressive.

810
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm down to see it though. Yeah, well you

811
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: know what I think. That's about it. You really are

812
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: such a delight to talk to you. Thank you for

813
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: doing this.

814
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. It's such a pleasure.

815
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 4: And I will make a better point at next time

816
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 4: I'm on tour, making sure I write down more of

817
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 4: the stories that people tell me about the theaters, because

818
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 4: literally pretty much every single one we go to has

819
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 4: a story.

820
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: But are you the kind of person that asks or

821
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: someone's just like, hey, welcome to the place, just so

822
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: you know we've got to go.

823
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 4: If I'm not too preoccupied with some sort of technical difficulty, yeah,

824
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 4: then yes I will. I usually ask, or you know,

825
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 4: I'll just get talking to whoever works there, and they

826
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 4: like to. People love to tell you about their ghosts.

827
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 4: They're usually very proud of them, I find. But oh yeah,

828
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 4: I'm sure you find that too, like, oh definitely, I

829
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 4: can't believe I get to be on your show and

830
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 4: I don't have a ghost to bring.

831
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: But well, I'm.

832
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 4: Working hard for you out here the first go I will.

833
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 4: I'll have you on speed dial.

834
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: Please thank you. Well, tell the people, uh you know

835
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: where they can find you.

836
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 4: Are you?

837
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: Are you working on music?

838
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 4: I'm working on lots of music and writing things. But

839
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 4: there's basically all the touring kind of got pushed to

840
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 4: pretty much exit the exact template of what this year

841
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 4: was supposed to be. But next year, god and hopefully

842
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 4: that will still happen.

843
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: Amazing. Are you going to be in LA next year?

844
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 4: Hopefully?

845
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: Hopefully I will absolutely be.

846
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 4: There, Thank you, and I will. I will find you,

847
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 4: and you know, I'll fork over the ghost stories and

848
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 4: try to give you the the the hot intel on

849
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 4: what theaters are the most haunted.

850
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: Love the You can be our ghost theater correspondent. Thank you,

851
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Speaker 2: Nico Case. Be sure to go download her music and

852
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Speaker 2: check her out if you're If you haven't heard her

853
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Speaker 2: music before, hey, that's something fun to do in quarantine

854
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Speaker 2: or in these crazy times we're living in. Check out

855
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Speaker 2: a new artist, Nico Case. Incredible. Thank you guys so

856
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: much for listening. I had another conversation that I'm real

857
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 2: excited about for next week. I talked to drag icon

858
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: Coco Peru. Coco is somebody that if you're a drag

859
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: I hope you know about Coco Peru because she's been

860
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: doing it long before the current times of drag that

861
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: we live in, and anybody that's been doing it for

862
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 2: longer than ten years to me is my hero and

863
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: Coco's phenomenal. Actually, Coco is known for telling stories on

864
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 2: stage and she's a monologist. Is that how you say

865
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: it monologuist. She's one of the people that tells monologues

866
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: for a living. And so when you want someone to

867
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: tell a ghost story, you haven't heard one until you've

868
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: heard one from Coco Peru. So not only has she

869
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: had some ghosty experiences, she's actually had UFO experiences, alien experiences.

870
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Speaker 2: We get into it, So check that out next week.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you are subscribed. Please give the show five

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Speaker 2: stars on Apple podcast if you haven't yet. And I

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Speaker 2: love it when you tell your friends about the show

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Speaker 2: or you know, doing little insta story or something like that.

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Speaker 2: I'm on cameo at Roz Dress Falaes Instagram. Oh you

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Speaker 2: my Instagram reading about the paranormal at Roz Dress Falaes.

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Speaker 2: And I would love to do a listener episode again soon,

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Speaker 2: so please send your stories to Ghosted by Roz at

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Speaker 2: gmail dot com with the subject line listener episode. And

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Speaker 2: if you don't want to be a listener episode, but

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Speaker 2: you want to share a story, you can do it

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Speaker 2: in a five star review on Apple Podcasts or in

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Speaker 2: our Facebook group Ghosted by Roz Dress Falaz. Thank you

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Speaker 2: guys for listening. I love you all, both living and dead.

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Speaker 2: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

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