1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,977 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:19,737 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,137 --> 00:00:22,817 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Saxton Show. We've got 5 00:00:22,857 --> 00:00:26,177 Speaker 2: our friend Aaron McIntyre on this episode. He does a 6 00:00:26,177 --> 00:00:29,137 Speaker 2: great podcast. He's at the Blaze. You should check out 7 00:00:29,977 --> 00:00:32,217 Speaker 2: everything that he is up to over there. Mister Oran, 8 00:00:32,217 --> 00:00:35,057 Speaker 2: appreciate you coming back absolutely, thanks for having me again. 9 00:00:35,897 --> 00:00:38,977 Speaker 2: So recently, there's this big decision that comes down on 10 00:00:39,017 --> 00:00:42,417 Speaker 2: affirmative action, and one of the most interesting things about it, 11 00:00:42,457 --> 00:00:43,377 Speaker 2: I think is. 12 00:00:45,057 --> 00:00:45,937 Speaker 1: Something that you and I. 13 00:00:45,937 --> 00:00:49,297 Speaker 2: Have talked about off air, which is that the institutions 14 00:00:49,297 --> 00:00:53,857 Speaker 2: that are affected by this are largely taking the attitude of, oh, 15 00:00:53,897 --> 00:00:58,697 Speaker 2: it's unconstitutional, whatever, we'll still do it, We'll still find 16 00:00:58,697 --> 00:00:59,337 Speaker 2: a way. 17 00:00:59,097 --> 00:01:01,417 Speaker 1: What's going on there? What does that tell us? 18 00:01:02,337 --> 00:01:05,817 Speaker 3: Yeah, you could see right away that Harvard immediately responded 19 00:01:05,897 --> 00:01:08,777 Speaker 3: by just saying, oh, that's nice, we'll comply with this, 20 00:01:08,817 --> 00:01:11,217 Speaker 3: and immediately pointed to it. It sees as a loophole 21 00:01:11,257 --> 00:01:14,417 Speaker 3: and the ruling where yes, technically you can no longer 22 00:01:14,457 --> 00:01:18,257 Speaker 3: evaluate students solely based on their race or give them 23 00:01:18,537 --> 00:01:22,297 Speaker 3: explicit additional points for that kind of admission. But you 24 00:01:22,377 --> 00:01:26,057 Speaker 3: can think about that when they are justifying kind of 25 00:01:26,097 --> 00:01:28,977 Speaker 3: the things they've overcome, and so there's still this loophole 26 00:01:29,057 --> 00:01:31,297 Speaker 3: of okay, well, as long as they maybe put in 27 00:01:31,297 --> 00:01:34,257 Speaker 3: an essay or they explained it as part of how 28 00:01:34,297 --> 00:01:36,777 Speaker 3: they fought back against depression, that kind of thing, then 29 00:01:36,857 --> 00:01:39,137 Speaker 3: you can consider it. You just can't put it directly 30 00:01:39,137 --> 00:01:43,337 Speaker 3: into say what kind of sat or Act score is accepted. 31 00:01:44,217 --> 00:01:47,057 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like the takeaway from all this 32 00:01:47,217 --> 00:01:50,097 Speaker 2: is that the only way this really changes is that 33 00:01:50,217 --> 00:01:54,257 Speaker 2: now there's at least a constitutional precedent handed down by 34 00:01:54,257 --> 00:01:57,057 Speaker 2: the court here in terms of the interpretation of it that. 35 00:01:57,097 --> 00:01:59,697 Speaker 1: Will allow for more lawsuits. 36 00:02:00,057 --> 00:02:01,657 Speaker 2: You know, what you had at this point was the 37 00:02:01,697 --> 00:02:03,537 Speaker 2: court seemed divided at the lower level, had to make 38 00:02:03,577 --> 00:02:06,417 Speaker 2: its way all the way up. So I suppose now 39 00:02:06,657 --> 00:02:09,097 Speaker 2: you just have to be able to get the data 40 00:02:10,457 --> 00:02:14,177 Speaker 2: to see that the same discrimination, racial discrimination, that's what 41 00:02:14,257 --> 00:02:17,257 Speaker 2: this is everybody, that's what the courts were doing, That 42 00:02:17,377 --> 00:02:21,937 Speaker 2: same discrimination would continue on. And so I feel like 43 00:02:21,977 --> 00:02:24,777 Speaker 2: there have to be many more lawsuits, Like basically this 44 00:02:24,897 --> 00:02:29,457 Speaker 2: is the start of stopping the affirmative action regime. It's 45 00:02:29,497 --> 00:02:31,297 Speaker 2: not like this switches it all overnight. 46 00:02:32,297 --> 00:02:35,257 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, this is the beginning of the war, 47 00:02:35,297 --> 00:02:36,977 Speaker 3: and at the end of it, it simply allows it 48 00:02:37,017 --> 00:02:39,297 Speaker 3: to take place. Like you said, a lot of these 49 00:02:39,377 --> 00:02:42,977 Speaker 3: institutions are already changing. They already saw this coming. This 50 00:02:43,577 --> 00:02:46,297 Speaker 3: ruling was predicted for a while, and so a lot 51 00:02:46,337 --> 00:02:49,657 Speaker 3: of these institutions had already decided to move to more 52 00:02:49,657 --> 00:02:53,777 Speaker 3: of an essay based admission as opposed to a test 53 00:02:53,817 --> 00:02:56,577 Speaker 3: score admission. And that's because the data becomes much harder. 54 00:02:56,617 --> 00:02:59,137 Speaker 3: Then you can kind of fudge everything. You can still 55 00:02:59,177 --> 00:03:02,457 Speaker 3: apply the same biases, but you can do so without 56 00:03:02,497 --> 00:03:07,137 Speaker 3: it being easily numerically quantifiable. Of course, the ruling itself 57 00:03:07,217 --> 00:03:09,657 Speaker 3: actually explicitly says they can't do that, like says, you 58 00:03:09,697 --> 00:03:13,977 Speaker 3: can not resubstantiate this, you know, this regime kind of 59 00:03:14,257 --> 00:03:17,417 Speaker 3: just under a different way, just just with essays or 60 00:03:17,457 --> 00:03:19,937 Speaker 3: something instead of test scores. But it's very clear again 61 00:03:20,017 --> 00:03:22,697 Speaker 3: from the messages that places like Harvard scent that they 62 00:03:22,737 --> 00:03:25,057 Speaker 3: intend to do so. And so the big question is 63 00:03:25,057 --> 00:03:28,337 Speaker 3: going to be follow through. So often, especially on the right, 64 00:03:28,697 --> 00:03:31,857 Speaker 3: we see, you know, the base sees an election or 65 00:03:31,977 --> 00:03:34,697 Speaker 3: Supreme Court ruling or maybe a piece of legislation pass 66 00:03:34,897 --> 00:03:36,737 Speaker 3: and say, oh great, the battle's one. I can go 67 00:03:36,777 --> 00:03:38,457 Speaker 3: back to grilling, I can go back to raising my 68 00:03:38,457 --> 00:03:40,537 Speaker 3: family and go back, you know, to just you know, 69 00:03:40,617 --> 00:03:43,857 Speaker 3: being a normal citizen. But that's actually not what happens 70 00:03:43,977 --> 00:03:48,137 Speaker 3: immediately afterwards. That ruling does not enforce itself. And if 71 00:03:48,137 --> 00:03:49,857 Speaker 3: you don't have the mechanisms, if you don't have the 72 00:03:49,857 --> 00:03:52,377 Speaker 3: institutions that are going to go after these people, if 73 00:03:52,417 --> 00:03:54,417 Speaker 3: you don't have lawsuits, if you don't have a DOJ, 74 00:03:54,617 --> 00:03:56,577 Speaker 3: obviously our current do is not going to do that. 75 00:03:56,697 --> 00:03:58,897 Speaker 3: But you know, if you don't have a Trump or 76 00:03:58,937 --> 00:04:02,697 Speaker 3: Desanti's DOJ later on, that starts pushing this kind of stuff, 77 00:04:02,737 --> 00:04:05,337 Speaker 3: AG's all that stuff. If they don't follow up, then 78 00:04:05,377 --> 00:04:07,577 Speaker 3: none of this actually happens. It's just a ruling that's 79 00:04:07,617 --> 00:04:08,177 Speaker 3: dead in the water. 80 00:04:09,417 --> 00:04:13,697 Speaker 2: Also, is me that given the arguments that were made 81 00:04:13,897 --> 00:04:18,657 Speaker 2: in that blockbuster decision six ' three striking down affirmative 82 00:04:18,657 --> 00:04:23,217 Speaker 2: action is unconstitutional in college admissions, how is it that 83 00:04:23,257 --> 00:04:28,697 Speaker 2: we can still have racial preferences in hiring and racial 84 00:04:28,737 --> 00:04:33,897 Speaker 2: preferences in government contract government contracts being given out to people? 85 00:04:33,937 --> 00:04:35,257 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? It seems to me 86 00:04:35,337 --> 00:04:37,577 Speaker 1: like this all the same arguments apply about all of this. 87 00:04:38,937 --> 00:04:40,857 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why this was such a huge ruling. It's 88 00:04:40,937 --> 00:04:43,377 Speaker 3: not just the college admissions, though obviously that is a 89 00:04:43,457 --> 00:04:46,897 Speaker 3: huge one, because, for better or for worse, admission to college, 90 00:04:46,977 --> 00:04:50,337 Speaker 3: especially the IVY League, is kind of the elite signaler 91 00:04:50,417 --> 00:04:53,337 Speaker 3: in our society. Getting that credential. I mean, you may 92 00:04:53,537 --> 00:04:55,617 Speaker 3: be learning nothing there, you might just be getting some 93 00:04:55,697 --> 00:04:58,817 Speaker 3: kind of gender studies trash degree, but just by having 94 00:04:59,017 --> 00:05:01,777 Speaker 3: that credential, suddenly you're part of the elite. You're part 95 00:05:01,777 --> 00:05:04,377 Speaker 3: of the ruling class. You've kind of got the golden ticket. 96 00:05:04,817 --> 00:05:07,417 Speaker 3: And so the fact that that was racially biased, that 97 00:05:07,417 --> 00:05:11,897 Speaker 3: that was particularly bent towards specific races, was a huge deal. 98 00:05:12,177 --> 00:05:16,417 Speaker 3: But like you said, this affirmative action policy, you know, 99 00:05:16,577 --> 00:05:21,697 Speaker 3: moves far beyond the academic sphere. It impacts everything in 100 00:05:21,737 --> 00:05:23,857 Speaker 3: our society, especially when it comes to jobs and these 101 00:05:23,937 --> 00:05:26,337 Speaker 3: kind of things. And so if this ruling applies there, 102 00:05:26,457 --> 00:05:28,457 Speaker 3: then you would imagine the logic would travel to all 103 00:05:28,457 --> 00:05:33,417 Speaker 3: these other institutions. But again, that can't happen without lawsuits. 104 00:05:33,417 --> 00:05:36,817 Speaker 3: That can't happen without follow through legal pressure. I mean, 105 00:05:36,937 --> 00:05:41,617 Speaker 3: state legislatures need to start banning affirmative action, and governors 106 00:05:41,657 --> 00:05:45,977 Speaker 3: need to be passing, you know, whatever they can to 107 00:05:46,057 --> 00:05:48,297 Speaker 3: make it clear that this won't be allowed in their states. 108 00:05:48,337 --> 00:05:50,217 Speaker 3: This this has to be a follow through on every 109 00:05:50,337 --> 00:05:54,857 Speaker 3: level that enables these different operatives, these different lawyers, these 110 00:05:54,857 --> 00:05:59,297 Speaker 3: different attorneys general to kind of make this move. Hopefully 111 00:05:59,297 --> 00:06:01,497 Speaker 3: once you get a Republican one in there, that will 112 00:06:01,497 --> 00:06:04,577 Speaker 3: actually put the pressure not just on schools but on 113 00:06:04,697 --> 00:06:07,097 Speaker 3: other institutions like corporations. 114 00:06:07,137 --> 00:06:12,657 Speaker 2: Did you find that the arguments that came across from 115 00:06:12,777 --> 00:06:17,337 Speaker 2: the A couple of the liberal justices who you know 116 00:06:17,377 --> 00:06:19,377 Speaker 2: dissented from this ruling. There are three of them, but 117 00:06:19,497 --> 00:06:21,537 Speaker 2: you know, two in particular, were really. 118 00:06:21,457 --> 00:06:22,137 Speaker 1: Upset by this. 119 00:06:22,697 --> 00:06:26,177 Speaker 2: It was interesting to see they really couldn't hide the 120 00:06:27,097 --> 00:06:31,457 Speaker 2: emotional impact that this has on them specifically. But also 121 00:06:31,937 --> 00:06:34,497 Speaker 2: I would assume more broadly, for people that really support 122 00:06:34,497 --> 00:06:37,377 Speaker 2: this regime, and that the argument really seems to just 123 00:06:37,417 --> 00:06:40,457 Speaker 2: be some version of we really like this, and life 124 00:06:40,857 --> 00:06:44,537 Speaker 2: is unfair, and it's unfair for minorities, but only some minorities, 125 00:06:45,057 --> 00:06:47,377 Speaker 2: and so it should continue just because we like it. 126 00:06:47,457 --> 00:06:50,017 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't really understand. When I read through 127 00:06:50,057 --> 00:06:53,017 Speaker 2: the dissense, it didn't really feel like there was an argument. 128 00:06:53,017 --> 00:06:55,097 Speaker 2: It just felt like there's a lot of racism, and 129 00:06:55,137 --> 00:06:58,697 Speaker 2: this helps with the racism because we say so yeah. 130 00:06:58,697 --> 00:07:00,257 Speaker 3: I mean, in some ways you almost kind of have 131 00:07:00,297 --> 00:07:04,017 Speaker 3: to respect the honesty there. Finally, we're not hiding behind 132 00:07:04,097 --> 00:07:07,377 Speaker 3: any kind of legal tricks here. It's just the fact 133 00:07:07,457 --> 00:07:11,177 Speaker 3: that this works well for the Democratic coalition. This gives 134 00:07:11,217 --> 00:07:13,457 Speaker 3: benny's to people that we like. These are the people 135 00:07:13,497 --> 00:07:15,697 Speaker 3: who vote for us, or are the people we identify with, 136 00:07:16,097 --> 00:07:18,697 Speaker 3: and this benefits them, and therefore it should stay in 137 00:07:18,737 --> 00:07:22,177 Speaker 3: place because we like it. And to be fair, this 138 00:07:22,257 --> 00:07:25,417 Speaker 3: community has been told from time and memorium by the 139 00:07:25,457 --> 00:07:28,177 Speaker 3: Democrats that this is the only system that holds them 140 00:07:28,177 --> 00:07:30,577 Speaker 3: in place. This is the only way they could possibly 141 00:07:31,017 --> 00:07:33,617 Speaker 3: get ahead or stay even even you know, at all, 142 00:07:33,977 --> 00:07:37,457 Speaker 3: and so that if it ever was removed, then it's 143 00:07:37,497 --> 00:07:40,177 Speaker 3: a catastrophe and all of a sudden, you know, these 144 00:07:40,177 --> 00:07:43,417 Speaker 3: different minority communities will just kind of fall by the wayside. 145 00:07:43,697 --> 00:07:45,857 Speaker 3: I mean, the whole point of affirmative action, the way 146 00:07:45,857 --> 00:07:48,497 Speaker 3: it was sold to people in theory was that it 147 00:07:48,497 --> 00:07:51,737 Speaker 3: was a temporary fix to kind of address the fact 148 00:07:51,777 --> 00:07:54,497 Speaker 3: that some people had not had a fair shake historically 149 00:07:54,497 --> 00:07:56,777 Speaker 3: in the United States. But if that doesn't come with 150 00:07:56,777 --> 00:08:00,657 Speaker 3: an expiration date. Then all you're doing is creating a new, 151 00:08:01,057 --> 00:08:05,617 Speaker 3: different type of systemic racism. It's just now targeting people 152 00:08:05,737 --> 00:08:09,777 Speaker 3: like whites and Asians as opposed to other minority groups. 153 00:08:10,137 --> 00:08:12,817 Speaker 3: And you can't keep that in place forever. But these 154 00:08:12,857 --> 00:08:15,537 Speaker 3: people were told that, you know that is essential. You 155 00:08:15,577 --> 00:08:17,657 Speaker 3: know that this is basically the only way that you 156 00:08:17,657 --> 00:08:20,577 Speaker 3: can participate in society, which should be kind of insulting, 157 00:08:20,737 --> 00:08:23,817 Speaker 3: but I guess for some you know that is something 158 00:08:23,817 --> 00:08:24,857 Speaker 3: you've taken as gospel. 159 00:08:25,177 --> 00:08:27,177 Speaker 2: Did you see there was a there was a tweet 160 00:08:27,177 --> 00:08:31,097 Speaker 2: that came out that went quite quite viral from a 161 00:08:31,097 --> 00:08:35,337 Speaker 2: Democrat activist trying, I'm actually, I'm actually gonna pull this 162 00:08:35,377 --> 00:08:39,977 Speaker 2: one up. Her name is Erica Marsh, Proud, Democrat, former 163 00:08:40,017 --> 00:08:44,217 Speaker 2: field organizer for Biden. She her, of course, you know, 164 00:08:44,257 --> 00:08:47,457 Speaker 2: because we have to know that one. But she had 165 00:08:47,457 --> 00:08:51,657 Speaker 2: this tweet that that's gotten seen millions of times, and 166 00:08:51,697 --> 00:08:53,857 Speaker 2: this was the day that the decision came out. Her 167 00:08:53,897 --> 00:08:58,657 Speaker 2: tweet was, today's Supreme Court decision is a direct assault, 168 00:08:58,857 --> 00:09:02,737 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, a direct attack on black people. No black 169 00:09:02,777 --> 00:09:05,777 Speaker 2: person will be able to succeed in a merit based system, 170 00:09:06,097 --> 00:09:09,577 Speaker 2: which is exactly why affirmative action based programs were needed 171 00:09:09,777 --> 00:09:16,057 Speaker 2: to decision. Is a travesty, like ten million views of 172 00:09:16,097 --> 00:09:20,257 Speaker 2: this Basically, this has just gone completely virus a Democrat. Yeah, 173 00:09:20,337 --> 00:09:23,897 Speaker 2: and I do think it raises some very uh, very 174 00:09:23,977 --> 00:09:29,337 Speaker 2: uncomfortable questions about Democrats what they really think in the 175 00:09:29,377 --> 00:09:31,497 Speaker 2: affirmative action regime. I mean, you kind of keep running 176 00:09:31,497 --> 00:09:35,177 Speaker 2: into this, Oh, it doesn't change the standards. But if 177 00:09:35,177 --> 00:09:38,577 Speaker 2: you change the standards, then you won't have black and 178 00:09:38,657 --> 00:09:41,777 Speaker 2: Hispanic students getting into these schools or you know what 179 00:09:41,817 --> 00:09:43,937 Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, if you don't have the standards changing, 180 00:09:43,977 --> 00:09:45,857 Speaker 2: they won't get in. But it doesn't change the standards, 181 00:09:45,897 --> 00:09:48,097 Speaker 2: and if you don't change the standards, they can't get 182 00:09:48,137 --> 00:09:50,257 Speaker 2: in in the numbers. And I mean in her case 183 00:09:50,257 --> 00:09:52,497 Speaker 2: she said that like none of them, which is insane. 184 00:09:52,897 --> 00:09:56,017 Speaker 2: But there's a problem here, right, the argument has a problem. 185 00:09:56,937 --> 00:10:00,137 Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously it's it's a pretty awkward argument to make, 186 00:10:00,297 --> 00:10:02,777 Speaker 3: if you know, if you're on that side. But at 187 00:10:02,777 --> 00:10:05,577 Speaker 3: the same time, you have to remember the Democrats do 188 00:10:05,697 --> 00:10:08,457 Speaker 3: get like ninety percent of the black vote on a 189 00:10:08,497 --> 00:10:11,377 Speaker 3: regular basis, right, So for better or for worse, this 190 00:10:11,457 --> 00:10:16,337 Speaker 3: is an argument that seems to be routinely winning people 191 00:10:16,417 --> 00:10:19,977 Speaker 3: over to that side. I don't know what that says 192 00:10:20,097 --> 00:10:23,937 Speaker 3: about how people feel about their opportunity inside the United States, 193 00:10:24,137 --> 00:10:26,977 Speaker 3: but it's obviously not a narrative that can survive if 194 00:10:26,977 --> 00:10:29,577 Speaker 3: you're going to have a society with any form of 195 00:10:29,697 --> 00:10:32,937 Speaker 3: kind of racial harmony. You have a group that's being 196 00:10:32,977 --> 00:10:35,657 Speaker 3: told all of the time that if there's not this 197 00:10:35,857 --> 00:10:39,297 Speaker 3: artificial system elevating them, then they have no hope inside 198 00:10:39,297 --> 00:10:43,137 Speaker 3: of meritocracy, and the group continually and regularly votes for 199 00:10:43,137 --> 00:10:45,617 Speaker 3: the people who tell them that, which is a pretty 200 00:10:45,697 --> 00:10:46,817 Speaker 3: terrible feedback loop. 201 00:10:47,737 --> 00:10:50,017 Speaker 2: I want to ask in a moment here or if 202 00:10:50,017 --> 00:10:55,257 Speaker 2: we are in a place where increasingly conservatives point to 203 00:10:55,777 --> 00:11:03,177 Speaker 2: the Constitution and the response, whether over or more subtle 204 00:11:03,577 --> 00:11:05,937 Speaker 2: in the background from democrats in the left, is so 205 00:11:06,137 --> 00:11:10,897 Speaker 2: what and how that is manifesting itself in our institutions 206 00:11:11,017 --> 00:11:13,017 Speaker 2: and our lay to day life here. 207 00:11:13,857 --> 00:11:15,337 Speaker 1: So we'll get back to that in just a second. 208 00:11:15,377 --> 00:11:18,497 Speaker 2: But first off, everybody, there are a few sensations that 209 00:11:18,537 --> 00:11:20,617 Speaker 2: are better than feeling like you have the energy to 210 00:11:20,697 --> 00:11:23,497 Speaker 2: take on the world and win. 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Heller, and you look at this, and 231 00:12:29,137 --> 00:12:30,497 Speaker 2: I think there are others that would come to mind 232 00:12:30,577 --> 00:12:33,417 Speaker 2: right away where we say, okay, So this is the law, 233 00:12:33,417 --> 00:12:35,577 Speaker 2: and then the left just figures out ways to say, well, 234 00:12:35,657 --> 00:12:36,737 Speaker 2: what are you going to do about it? 235 00:12:36,817 --> 00:12:37,817 Speaker 1: How are you going to enforce it? 236 00:12:39,257 --> 00:12:42,817 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's an increasingly difficult problem for conservatives 237 00:12:42,857 --> 00:12:46,377 Speaker 3: to address because again they do feel like, okay, well, 238 00:12:46,417 --> 00:12:50,017 Speaker 3: we won the constitutional argument, we got the judges appointed, 239 00:12:50,257 --> 00:12:53,497 Speaker 3: they ruled in our favor, we got the president elected, 240 00:12:54,057 --> 00:12:56,697 Speaker 3: we got this piece of legislation passed, and obviously from 241 00:12:56,697 --> 00:12:58,817 Speaker 3: here on out now that this is the law, the 242 00:12:58,857 --> 00:13:01,417 Speaker 3: constitution says you have to follow it and will be fine. 243 00:13:01,697 --> 00:13:04,897 Speaker 3: But that's not what actually happens. Right over and over again, 244 00:13:04,977 --> 00:13:07,857 Speaker 3: we see, you know, things like the executive branch just 245 00:13:07,897 --> 00:13:10,617 Speaker 3: to ignore executive orders from Donald Trump right that they 246 00:13:10,697 --> 00:13:13,457 Speaker 3: just don't care. Barack Obama says, hey, I'm going to 247 00:13:13,497 --> 00:13:15,777 Speaker 3: have this, dear colleague letter. All of a sudden, everybody 248 00:13:16,257 --> 00:13:18,857 Speaker 3: has let guys use the girl's bathroom, and it happens 249 00:13:18,897 --> 00:13:21,937 Speaker 3: overnight in a snap. Trump says, hey, you can't do 250 00:13:21,937 --> 00:13:24,737 Speaker 3: affirmative you can't rather, you can't do a diversity, equity 251 00:13:24,737 --> 00:13:27,577 Speaker 3: and inclusion training, and they get an executive ranch and 252 00:13:27,697 --> 00:13:30,137 Speaker 3: members of the executive branch just say, so what I'm 253 00:13:30,177 --> 00:13:32,697 Speaker 3: going to keep doing? It right, And the problem is 254 00:13:32,737 --> 00:13:36,057 Speaker 3: that the Democrats, whether you like it or not, understand 255 00:13:36,297 --> 00:13:38,257 Speaker 3: that at the end of the day, it's about political 256 00:13:38,337 --> 00:13:41,817 Speaker 3: will and not just laws on paper. Laws on paper 257 00:13:41,897 --> 00:13:45,577 Speaker 3: might be good, but really they're only enforced if people 258 00:13:45,977 --> 00:13:48,697 Speaker 3: who are in positions of power believe in them and 259 00:13:48,737 --> 00:13:51,937 Speaker 3: whether the people around them hold them to account. And 260 00:13:51,977 --> 00:13:54,097 Speaker 3: so the Democrats have been playing this game for a 261 00:13:54,137 --> 00:13:56,857 Speaker 3: long time with sanctuary cities and states and those kind 262 00:13:56,857 --> 00:14:01,737 Speaker 3: of things that just completely ignore the dictates of the Constitution, laws, 263 00:14:01,817 --> 00:14:04,097 Speaker 3: you know, Supreme Court rulings, those kind of things, and 264 00:14:04,177 --> 00:14:06,297 Speaker 3: Republicans are going to have to learn this trick because 265 00:14:06,297 --> 00:14:09,377 Speaker 3: we're already seeing, for instance, different courts that are trying 266 00:14:09,417 --> 00:14:12,697 Speaker 3: to strike down these no grooming laws, these laws that 267 00:14:12,777 --> 00:14:17,857 Speaker 3: ban child mutilation inside states that we call a sexual 268 00:14:17,857 --> 00:14:21,177 Speaker 3: transition gender transition, and states are trying to knock these down. 269 00:14:21,217 --> 00:14:23,777 Speaker 3: At some point, Republican governors are just going to have 270 00:14:23,777 --> 00:14:25,937 Speaker 3: to pull the same trick, call the bluff and say, okay, 271 00:14:26,057 --> 00:14:27,577 Speaker 3: you have that ruling, now enforce it. 272 00:14:28,697 --> 00:14:30,777 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem like the left is much more 273 00:14:30,777 --> 00:14:35,137 Speaker 2: comfortable with de facto nullification of Supreme Court decisions, that's 274 00:14:35,137 --> 00:14:37,177 Speaker 2: for sure. They just decide, yeah, well, what are you 275 00:14:37,217 --> 00:14:39,817 Speaker 2: really going to do about it? They certainly do this 276 00:14:39,977 --> 00:14:43,257 Speaker 2: on Second Amendment issues where they blatantly violate the Constitution, 277 00:14:44,017 --> 00:14:46,617 Speaker 2: and their attitude this is true in New York City, 278 00:14:46,657 --> 00:14:52,577 Speaker 2: for example, on handgun permitting. Their attitude is, yeah, we 279 00:14:52,617 --> 00:14:54,817 Speaker 2: know what we're doing is a violation of your rights, 280 00:14:54,817 --> 00:14:57,697 Speaker 2: but it's going to take you five maybe ten years 281 00:14:57,737 --> 00:15:00,857 Speaker 2: to even get Supreme Court to look at this. So 282 00:15:00,937 --> 00:15:04,217 Speaker 2: in the meantime, we get to just violate your rights 283 00:15:04,337 --> 00:15:06,577 Speaker 2: get what we want as a policy matter. No one's 284 00:15:06,617 --> 00:15:08,217 Speaker 2: going to stop us from it. In a blue state 285 00:15:08,297 --> 00:15:10,937 Speaker 2: like New York and tough, you know that that really 286 00:15:10,977 --> 00:15:12,817 Speaker 2: is the attitude they take. That's what they do. 287 00:15:14,137 --> 00:15:17,377 Speaker 3: Yeah, and unfortunately it's a winning strategy when you have 288 00:15:17,937 --> 00:15:22,217 Speaker 3: a kind of moral visions that are so incredibly divergent. 289 00:15:22,377 --> 00:15:25,577 Speaker 3: In the United States, it really is just the case 290 00:15:25,657 --> 00:15:28,817 Speaker 3: that the people who again care more about winning, are 291 00:15:28,857 --> 00:15:31,417 Speaker 3: just going to beat those who are playing by the rules, 292 00:15:31,457 --> 00:15:35,257 Speaker 3: playing by procedure. Now, that just means that Republicans have 293 00:15:35,337 --> 00:15:38,897 Speaker 3: to understand that you're in the same position if your 294 00:15:39,017 --> 00:15:42,417 Speaker 3: state legitimately passes a regulation that says, sorry, we don't 295 00:15:42,457 --> 00:15:45,297 Speaker 3: mutilate children here then it doesn't really matter what a 296 00:15:45,377 --> 00:15:48,577 Speaker 3: judge says. If they're lying about the Constitution, you just 297 00:15:48,697 --> 00:15:50,977 Speaker 3: kind of have to be like, Okay, well, we're still 298 00:15:51,017 --> 00:15:53,817 Speaker 3: not going to do that. And unless you know, no 299 00:15:53,817 --> 00:15:56,457 Speaker 3: one's going to come and force us to mutilate these kids. 300 00:15:56,457 --> 00:15:58,657 Speaker 3: So we're just not going to allow that to happen 301 00:15:58,737 --> 00:16:01,137 Speaker 3: under our watch. It's not the way that you want 302 00:16:01,177 --> 00:16:04,057 Speaker 3: a republic to run. It's not how rule of law 303 00:16:04,097 --> 00:16:06,377 Speaker 3: is supposed to work. But on one side has kind 304 00:16:06,377 --> 00:16:09,337 Speaker 3: of broken this compact. You can't just sit around pointing 305 00:16:09,377 --> 00:16:12,777 Speaker 3: and sputtering, right, that doesn't work. Oh, they're the real hypocrites, 306 00:16:12,817 --> 00:16:15,857 Speaker 3: you know. No, that doesn't do anything. They keep winning, 307 00:16:15,977 --> 00:16:18,977 Speaker 3: You keep staring and gawking, and it only moves leftward. 308 00:16:20,417 --> 00:16:22,537 Speaker 2: I want to ask you orin about you mentioned this, 309 00:16:23,257 --> 00:16:30,497 Speaker 2: but the fight to protect children from the push of drag, 310 00:16:30,577 --> 00:16:34,737 Speaker 2: Queen Story Hour for Kids, and also surgery for kids, 311 00:16:34,777 --> 00:16:39,177 Speaker 2: transgender surgery, hormone blockers, all this stuff, trans ideology, and 312 00:16:39,257 --> 00:16:41,897 Speaker 2: how this is going now to the state level. It 313 00:16:41,897 --> 00:16:43,617 Speaker 2: may eventually make its way to the Supreme Court. We'll 314 00:16:43,617 --> 00:16:45,377 Speaker 2: get to that in just a moment. You know, your 315 00:16:45,377 --> 00:16:47,777 Speaker 2: computer can be your best tool or your worst nightmare 316 00:16:47,777 --> 00:16:50,817 Speaker 2: depending on whether crashes or not. 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Maybe there are more judges have 343 00:18:13,497 --> 00:18:17,817 Speaker 2: said no, you can't do that, which I mean, this 344 00:18:17,937 --> 00:18:20,497 Speaker 2: is how crazy things go. They start doing something that's 345 00:18:20,537 --> 00:18:22,777 Speaker 2: never been done before. The state says, you know what, 346 00:18:22,937 --> 00:18:25,097 Speaker 2: we're we're actually not going to allow that, And now 347 00:18:25,137 --> 00:18:28,737 Speaker 2: you've got federal judges who were effectively saying no, there's 348 00:18:28,777 --> 00:18:32,017 Speaker 2: a basic constitutional right for a twelve year old to 349 00:18:32,057 --> 00:18:34,697 Speaker 2: cut off as genitals. I mean, that's what these judges 350 00:18:34,737 --> 00:18:35,177 Speaker 2: are doing. 351 00:18:36,377 --> 00:18:36,657 Speaker 1: Yeah. 352 00:18:36,697 --> 00:18:41,017 Speaker 3: Absolutely, these these judges know that they can't allow states 353 00:18:41,057 --> 00:18:43,297 Speaker 3: to stand in the way of the civil rights revolution. 354 00:18:43,377 --> 00:18:46,777 Speaker 3: They've decided that this is the new civil rights movement, 355 00:18:46,857 --> 00:18:49,697 Speaker 3: this is the new frontier of the civil rights revolution, 356 00:18:49,937 --> 00:18:52,217 Speaker 3: and they're going to be the guys who kind of 357 00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:55,537 Speaker 3: push this through. Don't let those ugly, bigoted states stand 358 00:18:55,537 --> 00:18:57,657 Speaker 3: in the way of you know, the mutilation of twelve 359 00:18:57,697 --> 00:19:00,057 Speaker 3: year olds, and it's just insane. We've seen this across 360 00:19:00,097 --> 00:19:02,577 Speaker 3: the board, right we over the weekend we had footage 361 00:19:02,617 --> 00:19:05,097 Speaker 3: coming from these Pride parades like that, I believe the 362 00:19:05,097 --> 00:19:08,817 Speaker 3: one in Seattle where grown men are just completely exposing themselves, 363 00:19:08,937 --> 00:19:11,777 Speaker 3: riding bicycles around as part of the parade, waiving their 364 00:19:11,857 --> 00:19:15,257 Speaker 3: junk in front of crowds full of children. And last 365 00:19:15,257 --> 00:19:17,897 Speaker 3: time I checked, that's illegal, right, like, like no one, 366 00:19:18,017 --> 00:19:20,777 Speaker 3: we didn't. We didn't get rid of you know, indecent 367 00:19:20,817 --> 00:19:23,257 Speaker 3: exposure laws that's supposed to put you on some sex 368 00:19:23,257 --> 00:19:27,417 Speaker 3: of sex offender registry list. And yet these people are 369 00:19:27,417 --> 00:19:29,937 Speaker 3: doing it on a regular basis, with no fear from 370 00:19:30,057 --> 00:19:33,937 Speaker 3: law enforcement, no expectation that they'll be arrested, no expectation 371 00:19:34,057 --> 00:19:37,137 Speaker 3: that they'll be prosecuted. And this is a huge problem, 372 00:19:37,177 --> 00:19:40,737 Speaker 3: Like this cannot be allowed in the United States. We 373 00:19:40,777 --> 00:19:43,497 Speaker 3: cannot let some kind you know, dejure all this stuff 374 00:19:43,577 --> 00:19:46,497 Speaker 3: is illegal. But to facto, this has all been legalized. 375 00:19:46,497 --> 00:19:49,177 Speaker 3: And the even the police officers know this because they 376 00:19:49,217 --> 00:19:52,577 Speaker 3: would never interrupt what has basically become like a state 377 00:19:52,657 --> 00:19:56,817 Speaker 3: sanctioned you know, religious ritual in which these guys expose 378 00:19:56,897 --> 00:19:58,617 Speaker 3: themselves to children and you know. 379 00:19:58,657 --> 00:20:02,417 Speaker 2: I think depending on the jurisdiction we're talking about, and 380 00:20:02,577 --> 00:20:06,137 Speaker 2: some of them, they might have even made nudity public 381 00:20:06,217 --> 00:20:08,817 Speaker 2: nudity no longer illegal. I think that may be the 382 00:20:08,897 --> 00:20:12,257 Speaker 2: chase in Seattle or San Francisco. So I approach it 383 00:20:12,297 --> 00:20:15,737 Speaker 2: from the perspective of it's not even just a function 384 00:20:15,777 --> 00:20:19,337 Speaker 2: of law, It's a function of what's what is decent? 385 00:20:19,497 --> 00:20:23,297 Speaker 2: You know, what is uh something that should that should 386 00:20:23,457 --> 00:20:26,937 Speaker 2: be exposed to kids and shouldn't. And I also just 387 00:20:27,057 --> 00:20:29,697 Speaker 2: I have to wonder, what does being naked like? What 388 00:20:29,777 --> 00:20:32,497 Speaker 2: does what does waving your genitalia around as a man 389 00:20:32,617 --> 00:20:35,417 Speaker 2: or as a woman in a parade have to do 390 00:20:35,697 --> 00:20:39,297 Speaker 2: with basic human you know, human rights and dignity and 391 00:20:39,337 --> 00:20:42,457 Speaker 2: pride and whatever like? What what is with and not 392 00:20:42,577 --> 00:20:44,057 Speaker 2: just the newity. We can take a little bit on this. 393 00:20:44,457 --> 00:20:46,257 Speaker 2: Why were there all these pride parades and this is 394 00:20:46,297 --> 00:20:48,497 Speaker 2: every year? This is not I used to live right 395 00:20:48,537 --> 00:20:50,137 Speaker 2: next to the Pride parade rout of New York City, 396 00:20:50,137 --> 00:20:53,817 Speaker 2: so I have seen this firsthand many many times. There's 397 00:20:53,857 --> 00:20:56,617 Speaker 2: a lot of like sex toys and bondage gear and 398 00:20:56,657 --> 00:21:01,457 Speaker 2: all this stuff. People, you know, this isn't common outside 399 00:21:01,537 --> 00:21:05,297 Speaker 2: of the lgbtqu I a plus plus plus activist. 400 00:21:04,857 --> 00:21:06,337 Speaker 1: Community, Like, what is going on? 401 00:21:07,737 --> 00:21:10,657 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of the amazing thing, right. Guys like 402 00:21:10,897 --> 00:21:14,297 Speaker 3: George Decay jumped on Twitter after this footage went wide 403 00:21:14,657 --> 00:21:17,417 Speaker 3: and said, oh, well, you know these people they were 404 00:21:17,457 --> 00:21:19,697 Speaker 3: gonna yell about Pride anyway, they were going to try 405 00:21:19,697 --> 00:21:22,537 Speaker 3: to ban Pride anyway, So there's no reason to self censor. 406 00:21:22,617 --> 00:21:26,457 Speaker 3: And it's like, what part of this is about self expression? 407 00:21:26,457 --> 00:21:28,897 Speaker 3: What part of this is censorship? You being asked to 408 00:21:28,897 --> 00:21:33,057 Speaker 3: wear pants around children is somehow a repression of your 409 00:21:33,097 --> 00:21:36,417 Speaker 3: ability to express yourself? What about it is you know 410 00:21:36,577 --> 00:21:39,017 Speaker 3: is so important to you that this happens? And I 411 00:21:39,017 --> 00:21:42,977 Speaker 3: think the answer is these are sexual identities by their 412 00:21:43,097 --> 00:21:46,857 Speaker 3: very nature, like that, that's what these identities mean. And 413 00:21:46,937 --> 00:21:49,857 Speaker 3: so when people are saying, well, you know, displays of 414 00:21:49,897 --> 00:21:55,017 Speaker 3: this stuff are essential and center to our identity, you 415 00:21:55,097 --> 00:21:57,297 Speaker 3: might just need to listen to what they're saying and 416 00:21:57,337 --> 00:22:00,137 Speaker 3: then realize that this no child should ever be around 417 00:22:00,177 --> 00:22:02,617 Speaker 3: this stuff. There were a few years ago the idea 418 00:22:02,657 --> 00:22:05,177 Speaker 3: that a child would go to a Pride parade would 419 00:22:05,217 --> 00:22:07,377 Speaker 3: have been insane. Everybody knew what these things were. They 420 00:22:07,377 --> 00:22:10,377 Speaker 3: were no holds barred type of Mardi gras things. Now, 421 00:22:10,697 --> 00:22:12,457 Speaker 3: a lot of us didn't like that, but at the 422 00:22:12,537 --> 00:22:14,257 Speaker 3: very least you can make a case that at least 423 00:22:14,257 --> 00:22:17,337 Speaker 3: it was adults only, and we understood that everyone there 424 00:22:17,497 --> 00:22:19,657 Speaker 3: was kind of of a specific age and had made 425 00:22:19,657 --> 00:22:20,497 Speaker 3: a decision that. 426 00:22:20,537 --> 00:22:21,017 Speaker 1: Kind of thing. 427 00:22:21,297 --> 00:22:23,537 Speaker 3: But that is obviously not the case now. But the 428 00:22:23,817 --> 00:22:25,857 Speaker 3: fact that we have to have this argument, the fact 429 00:22:25,857 --> 00:22:28,337 Speaker 3: that there's any debate around the issue that a child 430 00:22:28,417 --> 00:22:31,857 Speaker 3: should be at an event that is explicitly explicitly sexual 431 00:22:31,857 --> 00:22:34,617 Speaker 3: in nature and always has been, really shows you that 432 00:22:34,737 --> 00:22:37,457 Speaker 3: kind of everything that was predicted by the resilionious right 433 00:22:37,817 --> 00:22:40,737 Speaker 3: in like the nineteen eighties was pretty much entirely correct, 434 00:22:40,777 --> 00:22:41,657 Speaker 3: and it's come to pass. 435 00:22:42,737 --> 00:22:45,257 Speaker 1: Yes, the slope is quite slippery. 436 00:22:45,537 --> 00:22:48,657 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is something that we're seeing and a lot 437 00:22:48,657 --> 00:22:53,177 Speaker 2: of aspects in society speaking, which the feeling we have 438 00:22:53,297 --> 00:22:58,217 Speaker 2: right now around bud Light and the awakened right when 439 00:22:58,257 --> 00:23:01,497 Speaker 2: it comes to wokeness in corporate America, I want to 440 00:23:01,537 --> 00:23:03,657 Speaker 2: ask you don't answer it yet or in. 441 00:23:04,377 --> 00:23:05,897 Speaker 1: Where you know this business. 442 00:23:05,977 --> 00:23:08,977 Speaker 2: We're calling this a tease, but I'm going to come 443 00:23:08,977 --> 00:23:10,937 Speaker 2: back in a second here and I want you to 444 00:23:10,977 --> 00:23:15,177 Speaker 2: tell me. Are we seeing something that we should celebrate 445 00:23:15,257 --> 00:23:18,377 Speaker 2: in the sense that it's we're putting wins on the 446 00:23:18,377 --> 00:23:21,257 Speaker 2: board or should should we be more depressed that it 447 00:23:21,297 --> 00:23:26,617 Speaker 2: took bud Light putting a trans influencer out to effectively 448 00:23:28,817 --> 00:23:32,697 Speaker 2: insult the entire bud Light audience with politicization that they 449 00:23:32,697 --> 00:23:35,137 Speaker 2: didn't ask for. Is that just showing us that we're 450 00:23:35,137 --> 00:23:37,257 Speaker 2: defending on our own five yard lines, so to speak? 451 00:23:37,337 --> 00:23:37,457 Speaker 1: Right? 452 00:23:37,977 --> 00:23:39,577 Speaker 2: Which one is it? I want you to answer that 453 00:23:39,617 --> 00:23:41,817 Speaker 2: one for me in a second week come back. 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Like 474 00:24:43,017 --> 00:24:46,337 Speaker 3: you said, the fact that a product like bud Light 475 00:24:46,377 --> 00:24:48,817 Speaker 3: that obviously has the audience that it does, the core 476 00:24:48,857 --> 00:24:51,697 Speaker 3: audience that it has decided to go ahead and make 477 00:24:51,697 --> 00:24:54,217 Speaker 3: this move, is a problem. Also, you have the fact, like, 478 00:24:54,257 --> 00:24:57,697 Speaker 3: let's not forget where this whole bud light thing came from. Yes, 479 00:24:57,937 --> 00:25:00,577 Speaker 3: we remember it now because they had Dylan Mulvani and 480 00:25:00,577 --> 00:25:04,137 Speaker 3: a can. But right before that, a trans shooter murdered 481 00:25:04,377 --> 00:25:07,537 Speaker 3: six people, three of them children, at a Christian school, 482 00:25:07,777 --> 00:25:12,217 Speaker 3: and another transshooter was stopped in Colorado Springs who was 483 00:25:12,297 --> 00:25:16,577 Speaker 3: also planning to shoot up middle schools and churches. That's 484 00:25:16,697 --> 00:25:20,457 Speaker 3: when this happened. This happened right after they right after this, 485 00:25:20,777 --> 00:25:22,817 Speaker 3: while the President of the United States, instead of talking 486 00:25:22,857 --> 00:25:25,937 Speaker 3: about Christians or the terrible thing that happened to the 487 00:25:25,937 --> 00:25:29,297 Speaker 3: school was praising the trans community. Madonna was talking about 488 00:25:29,377 --> 00:25:31,697 Speaker 3: raising money not for the murdered family, you know, the 489 00:25:31,697 --> 00:25:34,017 Speaker 3: family of the murdered children, or for the school that 490 00:25:34,137 --> 00:25:37,297 Speaker 3: was impacted, but for the trans community. And at during 491 00:25:37,337 --> 00:25:40,697 Speaker 3: all of this stuff, while the bodies were still being buried, 492 00:25:41,017 --> 00:25:44,337 Speaker 3: Bud Lighty decided to slap Dulan mulvaney on a can 493 00:25:44,377 --> 00:25:46,377 Speaker 3: because it was Pride month and or a Pride month 494 00:25:46,457 --> 00:25:48,417 Speaker 3: was coming rather and it didn't matter, right, it didn't 495 00:25:48,417 --> 00:25:50,217 Speaker 3: matter when it actually happened in the world. We were 496 00:25:50,217 --> 00:25:53,017 Speaker 3: going to celebrate Pride Month even if these children had 497 00:25:53,097 --> 00:25:56,657 Speaker 3: just been murdered by a trans shooter. That's the beginning, 498 00:25:56,657 --> 00:25:59,697 Speaker 3: that's the genesis of this. It's sad that this had 499 00:25:59,777 --> 00:26:03,057 Speaker 3: to be worked out over a beer can, but at 500 00:26:03,057 --> 00:26:05,057 Speaker 3: the very least it's a win. I think it is 501 00:26:05,097 --> 00:26:07,177 Speaker 3: a win. I think people did wake up, and I 502 00:26:07,177 --> 00:26:09,857 Speaker 3: think it's because there was a cultural aspect to this. Right, 503 00:26:10,137 --> 00:26:12,457 Speaker 3: look at your buddy across the bar and be like, really, man, 504 00:26:12,777 --> 00:26:15,457 Speaker 3: Bud light you're that guy, And all of a sudden, 505 00:26:15,697 --> 00:26:19,457 Speaker 3: that meme of oh, that's the trans beer was much 506 00:26:19,537 --> 00:26:23,497 Speaker 3: more effective than any particular political argument. Memes are just 507 00:26:23,497 --> 00:26:26,457 Speaker 3: way more powerful than logical arguments, and I think that's 508 00:26:26,497 --> 00:26:29,257 Speaker 3: why this was such a big win. Now it's still 509 00:26:29,617 --> 00:26:32,897 Speaker 3: at its beginning stages. You're still only seeing these people 510 00:26:33,057 --> 00:26:35,577 Speaker 3: lose some money. You're not making the big games. Big 511 00:26:35,577 --> 00:26:39,137 Speaker 3: gains come with institutions change. So I think the big 512 00:26:39,177 --> 00:26:42,897 Speaker 3: thing will be can that populist you know, meme energy 513 00:26:43,337 --> 00:26:47,697 Speaker 3: be transferred over into long term institutional success. If the 514 00:26:47,737 --> 00:26:49,897 Speaker 3: answer is yes, then I think this is a win. 515 00:26:50,897 --> 00:26:54,697 Speaker 2: As as you and I sit here speaking, the manifesto 516 00:26:54,737 --> 00:26:58,537 Speaker 2: of the transhooter in Nashville is still something that has 517 00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:03,937 Speaker 2: been kept from the public. There has been many months now. 518 00:27:04,857 --> 00:27:08,857 Speaker 2: I've never seen this happen before, and I think that 519 00:27:09,257 --> 00:27:12,217 Speaker 2: you speak aout instances. What are people supposed to think 520 00:27:12,257 --> 00:27:16,857 Speaker 2: when something like this happens and the system decides that 521 00:27:16,897 --> 00:27:21,297 Speaker 2: the motivation of a mass murderer, a murder of children 522 00:27:21,777 --> 00:27:24,137 Speaker 2: should not be publicly known because it may very well 523 00:27:24,177 --> 00:27:27,737 Speaker 2: be very politically damaging to the left. 524 00:27:29,937 --> 00:27:33,177 Speaker 3: Yeah, you remember, like right after this, all of a sudden, 525 00:27:33,417 --> 00:27:36,577 Speaker 3: there were a bunch of brown white supremacists who showed up. 526 00:27:37,057 --> 00:27:39,617 Speaker 3: There's that guy who like drove towards the White House 527 00:27:39,617 --> 00:27:42,737 Speaker 3: and he had a neatly folded kind of Nazi flag, 528 00:27:42,777 --> 00:27:45,097 Speaker 3: even though he was like an Indian immigrant, and this 529 00:27:45,177 --> 00:27:48,817 Speaker 3: kind of thing, amazingly like, all of their ideologies were 530 00:27:48,857 --> 00:27:53,457 Speaker 3: immediately displayed, all of their motivations were immediately known and 531 00:27:53,537 --> 00:27:58,257 Speaker 3: made public, and they were decried and you know, called 532 00:27:58,257 --> 00:28:01,897 Speaker 3: the biggest problem in America by the President and everyone else. 533 00:28:02,137 --> 00:28:05,417 Speaker 3: But this manifesto can't come out right, this motive can't 534 00:28:05,457 --> 00:28:09,817 Speaker 3: be known, and everyone knows why. Everybody understands the answer here, 535 00:28:10,097 --> 00:28:11,497 Speaker 3: and if they're not going to say it out loud. 536 00:28:11,897 --> 00:28:15,577 Speaker 3: One of these things is politically useful to the system, 537 00:28:15,617 --> 00:28:18,377 Speaker 3: to the regime, and one of them is not. Everyone 538 00:28:18,497 --> 00:28:21,257 Speaker 3: knows what's in that manifesto, or at least to some degree, 539 00:28:21,297 --> 00:28:24,457 Speaker 3: what's probably in that manifesto, and everyone knows why it 540 00:28:24,497 --> 00:28:27,017 Speaker 3: can't get out, because if it got out while people 541 00:28:27,057 --> 00:28:30,257 Speaker 3: were still angry, where people were still shocked and devastated, 542 00:28:30,777 --> 00:28:32,737 Speaker 3: then they might have the political will to do something 543 00:28:32,737 --> 00:28:35,377 Speaker 3: about it. But if you wait long enough until nobody's 544 00:28:35,417 --> 00:28:38,817 Speaker 3: really paying attention again, you know, the fervor has died 545 00:28:38,857 --> 00:28:41,257 Speaker 3: down and nobody really remembers why you were, you know, 546 00:28:41,377 --> 00:28:43,897 Speaker 3: a boycotting bud light in the first place. Well, then 547 00:28:43,937 --> 00:28:45,897 Speaker 3: maybe you can start sneaking that stuff and it won't 548 00:28:45,937 --> 00:28:46,657 Speaker 3: be such a big deal. 549 00:28:47,377 --> 00:28:51,097 Speaker 2: Or in where should people go to listen to your 550 00:28:51,097 --> 00:28:53,417 Speaker 2: podcast read your work? What's the best place? 551 00:28:54,457 --> 00:28:54,617 Speaker 4: Sure? 552 00:28:54,617 --> 00:28:56,937 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm over on Blaze TV. Of course, you can 553 00:28:56,977 --> 00:29:00,177 Speaker 3: read my columns at The Blaze and then you can 554 00:29:00,217 --> 00:29:03,537 Speaker 3: subscribe to the podcast. I'm on YouTube, Rumble, Odyssey, all 555 00:29:03,577 --> 00:29:06,217 Speaker 3: those sites. But you can also get to the podcast 556 00:29:06,297 --> 00:29:09,377 Speaker 3: on your favorite podcast platform. It's the Oron McIntyre. 557 00:29:08,937 --> 00:29:12,577 Speaker 1: Show, Always illuminating. Thanks for making the time for us. 558 00:29:12,617 --> 00:29:14,417 Speaker 1: Good to see you, Thanks for having me Man