WEBVTT - 116: The Fireworks Conspiracy Fireworks Spectacular! 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:14.440 It's too am in Drop City and you're listening Tonight Call. Hello, 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.200 and welcome to Night Call, a call in show for 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.239 our dystopian reality. I'm Molly Lambert and with me are 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:25.759 Tess Lynch and Emily Oshida. We're gonna talk about some 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:31.800 cults today and some fireworks everyone's favorite. I feel like 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.879 the conspiracy theory is whether it's a conspiracy theory, the 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:40.720 conspiracy theory du jure. We got a lot of good 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.720 calls and emails about fireworks, So thanks to everybody who 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:49.080 sent in your your Bang Bang discourse. We're gonna get 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.400 into it in the second half of the show. Before 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:55.840 we do, let's take a night call about Drop City. Hi. 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:01.560 Then Dennor Colorado and I was just listening to your 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:06.920 latest episode and we're talking about biodome and Spaceship Earth, 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:12.000 but also Buck Myster Cooler and um My I was 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.480 listening to in my art CEO and my studio mate 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:20.240 actually started one of the first artists commune in the 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:24.959 country in the sixties based off of Buck Monster Pooler's 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:30.759 um like geodesic domes. What they did is they bought 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:35.399 a piece of land in Trinidad, Colorado UM and they 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.000 built a bunch of a bunch of geodesic domes in 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:40.720 the middle of like this kind of a plot of 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.319 lands um and they built it out of like just 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:48.160 wood and like car tops that they bought for like penny. Um. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.360 It was super cool and I don't know if y'all 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.320 would be interested in looking it up. It's filled drop 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.880 the City, Um. Yeah, it was like based off then 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.080 they did a bunch of direct stuff those usually create 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:02.600 shells um and most of them left Boulder after the 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.800 hippies kind of stuck over drops in like the late sixties. 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.440 Love the podcast all Right, Drop City, Drop City, USA. 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.720 Did you guys know about Drop City already? I did 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.040 know about Drop City because I read this TC Boil 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:22.840 novel about it called Drop City. You also read that novel? 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:24.799 I did you lent it to me? And I never 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:26.919 gave it back, and I said, go, Yeah. It came 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.560 out in two thousand and three when we were in college, 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.840 and they definitely read it. Um. And what I remember 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.920 about the TC Boil novel is that a lot of 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.440 it is about sort of the breakdown the things that 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.040 didn't work great in Drop City, which, like a lot 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:46.160 of communes, was the balance of labor between the genders. 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.080 That's the big you know, the problems that communes have 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.640 as we think about how to form the night Call commune. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.440 Division of labor. Division of labor is a big one. 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.960 They're super white for the most part, all these these communes. 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:05.919 That was something I also noticed in the Spaceship Earth documentary. Again, 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.720 they're all theater companies. Also, they were like, um, some 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:14.000 of them are film students from the University of Kansas, 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.960 which my mom was the film student at the University 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.840 of Kansas. She missed the opportunity to go to Drop 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.200 City like by a few years. So yeah, I want 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.440 to say Drop City has a has a pretty good 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:30.720 reputation compared to some communes. Well because it ended so quickly, 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.320 I think, right, it ended quickly, but it also didn't 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.600 end like tragically. Yes, and I did you guys know why. 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:39.720 I didn't know why it was called drops City. Didn't 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.280 remember if this was addressed in the novel. But um, 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.880 the four co founders, I think, when they were still students, 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.960 started painting rocks and then they would drop them out 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.440 of windows to see the reaction of people who were 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.640 walking by, not to hit them, but just to be 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.200 like something fell out of the sky. Maybe don't use 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.400 a rock if you're going to do that. Um. But 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.640 they called them drop art or droppings, which was like 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:06.160 a play on happenings but also works in its own 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:10.119 funny way. Um. But yeah, they made these really cool 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.600 looking domes. It's fun to look them up. And uh, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.520 I guess like, yeah, when the when there was like 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.320 a festival there, uh, and it attracted a ton of people. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.159 One of one of the founders in particular was just like, oh, 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.479 this place is over and left. Um, and now I 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:29.560 think it's it's pretty demolished. I think in the late nineties. Well, 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:33.240 apparently it cost four hundred and fifty dollars for the land. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.240 That's the communit I can get behind. That's somebody else 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.000 said it was seven hundred and fifty dollars and that 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.680 they both agree that they paid money by selling some weed. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.200 Of course one does. It's resourceful. There's also a really 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.120 good documentary I'm definitely mentioned it before called Murder Mountain 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.800 about Humble that basically starts with intentional communities and then 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:05.480 leads to kind of terrifying meth amphetamine crime syndicate on 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.719 a TV stuff. Murder Mountain was very depressing to me. 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.480 I mean, yeah, it starts off being like we're in Humble, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.719 We're gonna like grow some weed, and like, well, it 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.520 shows how the weed growing industry is part of the 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.880 reason that a lot of these communes started also because 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.560 they were like, we need a farm where we can 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.560 grow weed, and Humble was it was like they established 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:29.560 the idea of doing that in Humble and then basically 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.240 like drug runners got involved and took it over and 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.599 ran out the hippies. So wait, actually, what's the what 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.640 is the Buckminster Fuller connection other than having the geodes 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:40.839 syc domes, that's like the main one there were. It 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.120 was like this comes up in Spaceship Earth too. It's 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.000 basically like the whole Earth catalog was out. There were 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:47.920 a bunch of these books out at the same time 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.800 that were like how to live off the land, how 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:56.479 to build your own house, um sustainably and cheaply, and 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:01.000 the Buckminster Fuller domes became like the the easiest kind 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:09.080 of like way to do apes. Just love Buckminster Fuller. Um. Yeah, 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:10.960 it was like they say here. It was also like 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:15.760 John Cage, you know, they were all into conceptual living. 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.919 I just like the name drop City. It reminds me 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:23.240 of slab City. Also, these are like very good apocalyptic 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.080 city names. But Drop City just sounds like a place, 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.479 like a like a place for spies to just do 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:35.400 dead drops. Um, it's a very cool name for a commune. Yeah, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.719 they could have gone with Dropping City and I still 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.920 would have been a fan this this whole thing though, 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:45.559 it does it just the Colorado connection and our many 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:49.800 hours or at least minutes that we've dedicated to Denver 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.600 and the airport there, and I feel like there's been 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.880 a few different Colorado things. It makes me feel like 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.040 eventually we should do some sort of ranking of the 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:03.840 states by UM level of night call for sure, UM, 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.560 because I actually think that Colorado would be up there. 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:11.560 It's a it's a deceptively weird state. Uh, but I 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:15.120 would be interested to see how how it shook out. Well, 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.760 I think UM as our resident expert in like the weird, 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:24.240 the weird Pacific Northwest and surrounding regions. What's Colorado the 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:28.080 Rockies call it? Yeah, it's a mountain states, mountain mountain time. 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.760 I feel like people just don't know them about much 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.800 about all those states because they're like the last ones well, yeah, 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.480 I think I think it was on WHO Weekly where 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.680 they ranked the time zones by who were them, and 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.440 Mountain time was like the most definitive who of the time. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:48.800 So absolutely nobody knows. Question is mount what is mount like? 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:50.880 What time is it now? In Mountain It's just one 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:55.280 hour ahead. One hour ahead Central is two hours, at 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:59.360 Eastern is three hours. We should have opened this episode 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.480 by saying that by putting us in mountain time, this 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.960 is why it's a night call place. Night call exists 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:11.920 in mountain time for sure. Well, yeah, this is a 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:16.200 good lead into our another uh topic that Test and 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:21.000 I wanted to talk about, which is another story about 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:27.320 a intentional organization that was published on Medium. Yes, so 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.080 this was mediums one zero UM site, the arm of 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:35.120 Medium that is called one zero published this really long 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.839 and fascinating article about the Daylife Army, which I think 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.000 was previously known as Temple, but it also could be 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.400 pronounced Temple because one of the things that this cult 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:49.920 does is it has reinvented language um to replace certain 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.960 vowels with us and wise, and they call it English um, 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.000 which makes for it makes for a fun read. A 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.720 lot of stories about cults. I got so far down 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.079 along the line before I was like, maybe this is 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.359 a bad idea. So it's based it's like anti racism, 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:11.520 like you know, overthrowing the patriarchy capitalism is terrible. And yeah, 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.920 so it follows this one guy named Matthew who was 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.200 recruited into the cult when he was eighteen, and this 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:20.200 cult started on weird Facebook with basically just ship posting. Yeah, 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:24.040 it's a ship posting cult, and they like openly acknowledged 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:28.400 that they're a cult constantly. They're not like pretending not 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.560 to be there. All of their stuff is tagged with 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:38.040 like Jim Jones, People's temple and family, like like we're 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.800 doing a performance art piece about cults that like happens 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.920 to maybe also be a cult. Obviously they don't think 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.200 it actually is a cult, or if they do, they're 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:52.760 not admitting it. But it's run by two charismatic leaders. 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.559 One of them is named whiz L otherwise known as 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:02.560 Eban or Evan Carlson Um, and the other one is Yeah. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.280 So this is the question. It's stylized capital K, lower 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.640 case oh, capital A, so it's either co A or 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.920 CoA And she's the sister of TV on the radio's 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.360 Kit Malone and her other brother is also a DJ. 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.960 Like she comes from a very high achieving family and 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:23.520 she they both seem very charismatic. They're like they look 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.520 very like hipster like there, Yeah, that's the thing is 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.160 it's like it's a hipster cult, but like self consciously 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.480 it's a hipster cult, but it's just sort of presented 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:37.000 as being like a hippie anti racist organization. So this 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.959 is something is this current or like it's the kind 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.600 of timeline that like when did it kind of started? 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.840 Probably like when Trump got elected, So I think, well, 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.280 I think it may have even been earlier. I don't know. There, 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.920 I think it started around but that was when the 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.440 guy who they follow in this story, Matthew, he got 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.320 involved with it. He was involved with it for like 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:59.959 five years, I think. So she so CoA was really 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.440 is a Jehovah's witness. And there's like a point in 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:04.959 the end of the story where they talked to her 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.720 brother cap alone and ask him for comment about like 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.199 his sister being a call leader, and he's like, well, 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.120 you know, we were raised in like a very oppressive 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:18.079 religious atmosphere, and like sometimes people who have trauma from 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.760 something like that like replicated in an attempt to like, 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:23.800 you know, deal with it, but he was like I 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.720 love my sister, and like, yeah, he seems super cool. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.680 What's fucked up about it is that it's like it 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:36.319 presents itself as like a black female supremacist like religion. 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.240 At first, it's like, you know, we're here to like 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.160 uplift black women, and like you should you know, white people, 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.320 like just give us all your money to cleanse yourself 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.559 of your sins. But then there's also racist stuff about 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.959 black women from whizz l, who is a white guy 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.840 who is co as partner, so like it really feels 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:01.360 like they're in an abusive relationship and he's manipulating her 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:05.400 and they're both manipulating all these young people who get 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.480 into it because it sounds really good. It's that because 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:12.000 they're basically promised that, you know, some Matthew had like 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.320 an electronic music hobby that he wanted to you know, 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.800 like make money off of, and they were like, oh, 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.760 we can market and they seem so savvy because their 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.760 ship posting and they're promising like drop City, you know, 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.480 and they're saying like oh, it's a cult, but not really. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.160 It's like an artist collective and we're going to get 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.719 some land and everyone's going to like make their art 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:36.120 and we're all gonna like end white supremacy. Does ship 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:41.800 posting make people seem credible in your like, does that 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:46.400 make it feel like you're like credibly um ironic about 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.920 your intentions or like, what the deal? I think when 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.400 they when they really started appealing to people, it was 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.160 that they were so incredibly online. They seem to have 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.400 a sense of humor about what they were doing, and 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.240 they they point out in the article that weird Facebook 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:02.840 was kind of blowing up at that point because it 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:06.640 was like the demise of tumbling weird Facebook. I don't 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:11.079 know what weird Cato is real. It's real Molly, Molly 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.120 and I am. Back when Molly was on Facebook, we 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.000 were in a weird Facebook group that was like all 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.520 about disgusting food and the tub chef. Yeah, tub Chef, 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.480 which was super I mean, there's all of these weird 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.480 top chefs could be a cult if it wanted to. Okay, 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.360 one thing is I didn't realize about it is it's 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.160 a parent. It's a play on top chefs. Yeah, sure, 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.200 but that's clear. It's it's just I think it's like 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.760 food you would make in a bathtub, but it crunches 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.600 way off. Though it started as that, but then in 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:44.160 true weird Facebook fashion, it just evolved to be like 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.600 any kind of weird food. There were weird food brackets 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.720 and you know, that went on and on. Like then 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.520 my friend, my friend Anne, who was very involved in 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:56.480 the founding of tub chef and like other uh weird 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:01.120 Facebook groups, eventually like weird Facebook and tub Chef got 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:05.440 invaded by norms and then it's like she didn't want 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.120 to be part of it anymore because it got to 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.760 learn trying to or just like people were doing things 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.440 that weren't tub Chef. They were like posting food that 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.120 wasn't actually weird, or just memes that have nothing to 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.240 do with the theme. There's also one called scrub Chef 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.080 that's all stumped memes about I'm gonna I'm gonna throw 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:28.280 out a hypothesis. I don't think the weird blank about 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.760 the internet can be truly weird if you know the 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.320 person who's involved with it in real life, Like I 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.400 think it deludes the purity of the online experience if 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.200 you actually if you're just friends with somebody and they're 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.200 doing a goroof online. I think it's different than like 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:45.240 I stumbled across this weird thing on Facebook at three 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.120 in the morning because i couldn't get to sleep, and 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.840 now I'm subscribed to this thing called tub chef. And 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.680 these are definitely like a group of artists. It's also 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.960 people affiliated with like everything is terrible. It's people who's like, 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.080 it's like weird Midwest and their stall in trade is 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.800 like replicating that weird finding something weird on the Internet 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.720 or TV at three am, feeling um, which is the 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:13.040 aesthetic of weird Internet. I guess, um, here's where the 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.400 very basic by platform. But yes, anyway, go on, we'll 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:20.880 get to the really bad. Yeah. Yeah. So basically they 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:26.240 promised people, you know, like if they promised them the 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.960 basically like getting out of what's the pain matrix and 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.840 getting into the pleasure matrix. And the pleasure matrix is 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:36.040 to shed all of the like terrible things about life 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.160 and to shed your what you've like learned from your 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.000 parents and from school that's kind of like you know, 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.680 giving you the perception that the systems in place are good, 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.800 and to enter the pleasure matrix, which also placed a 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:51.200 big emphasis on masturbation and like sex, magic and stuff, 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:55.760 and by doing that to become kind of enlightened and 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.520 then also to like live off the land. But they 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.000 also had some weird abusive stuff even before things did 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:06.320 get really bad. That's also another classic commune issue. Yes, 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.640 I think that was also an issue at Drop City. Yes. Yeah, 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.360 they made everyone like scrub the toy. They had like 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.400 really exacting standards of cleanliness and like personal hygiene, and 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.360 that extended to like dietary prescriptions for individual members like 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.680 this one guy couldn't use ice cubes in his water. 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.520 He wasn't allowed anything sugary, but that was just for him. Wait, 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.160 I feel like we zipped over the part where they 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:33.920 actually did make a commune. Did that happen? They started? Okay, 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.200 so they recruited online, and they recruited people who I 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.680 guess you know, are lonely, you know, people looking for 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.840 guidance on the internet. Um, and then they were saying 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.160 like here's this, like we're going to teach you. We're 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.960 gonna un teach you everything that like you've learned, you know, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.920 sort of like Q and on, but like like seemingly 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.640 like an online scene, but it's just unusual for that 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:00.360 stuff to get into meat space. Well it was it 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.120 was half and half for a while. A lot of 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.879 people are only involved online. There's and there's a very 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.439 small group of people who were involved in this at all, 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.320 and it's at its peak it had only a few 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.640 dozen members and now I think there are five. Um. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.560 So it wasn't everyone living, cohabitating or anything. It was 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.960 like a select few who decided to kind of take 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.200 the leap. And they started by trying to like monetize 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.879 internet advertising basically, which as we all know, is impossible, 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.840 but what a what a cult for our times? We 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.639 will not be growing weed, will be selling. So they 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.879 would recruit people and be like, you have to post 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.560 ads for Temple and recruit people for Temple, and that's 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.760 how you like pay off your debt to Temple. UM 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.200 and giving Temple money is washing, is called washing. It's 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.679 like you're washing yourself of the guilt you have for 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:54.680 like being in this capitalist, white supremacist, misogynist society. So 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:57.840 some people got so into it that then they were 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:02.359 recruited to be like I R r L soldiers and 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.240 join up with Temple in real life. And so they 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:11.360 did get some property in Washington, but that was while 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:16.040 his parents house. Okay, so Whizzel. Also Whizzle is related 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.240 to a guy who's in the band Earth, which is 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.919 also interesting. It's a very like you know, indie rock 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:28.520 adjacent cult. And his dad is like some famous objectivists, 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.280 so he went to like the ain Rand school as 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.840 a child. He was like raised by an objectivist, so 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.280 his whole thing was like, fuck, my objectivist dad, I'm 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.840 going to get into like collectivism, but like not really 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:48.399 because he still wants to be in charge of everything. 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.560 And the washed money was buying like expensive cars, you 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.760 know what I mean. The washed money was not going 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.480 toward any kind of great right. It's kind of like 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.560 wild wild countries, give up all your earthly possessions but 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:04.080 also give them to us, um And so they kept 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.880 trying to kind of get in like rich people, people 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.440 who they thought were going to provide like a big windfall, 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.760 you know who they could like. It's very Manson family too. 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.119 It was a lot of like call your parents and 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:17.680 demand money because they taught you all of these stupid 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.040 ideas in the first place, so they need to give 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.680 money to you that then you can give to us 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:26.120 because we're teaching we're giving you a real education. Yeah, 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:30.119 And and the parents were like, no, I won't do that. Yeah. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:31.720 So there was like some guy, one of the guys 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.080 they talked to who they brought in. Um. He they 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.119 were like expecting his parents to give all this money, 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:40.639 and then when they didn't, they like essentially forced him 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:46.520 into sex trafficking and started doing that with other members 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.800 of the group as sort of their new plan to 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.440 make money. We'll hold up with the way that they 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.600 did that. First of all, they suggested that one of 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.400 the members who identified as straight have sex with a man. 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.679 But the sex, the sex trafficking thing was because the 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.920 members were forbidden from getting any kind of a job 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.760 because that would be a capitalism. You know, you can't 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:12.360 do that, that would be a capitalism. Interesting time, anyway, 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.000 that would be a capitalism. Don't do a capitalism. But anyway, 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:16.959 they were like, you can't have a job, but you 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.560 need to pay five hundred dollars a month or whatever 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.960 to stay with us. So the people were basically they 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:26.080 had to slightly kind of sneak out of the cabin 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.320 and find a way to get money without having a job. 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:31.199 So a lot of them were, you know, driving for 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.960 ride shares, but it became hard to conceal these things. 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.560 So that's why eventually they started doing escort work. Also 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:39.880 because this was like you know, they had a lot 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:44.080 of things of like the pearl divine or whatever, which 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:48.520 is basically drinking jizz was a popular thing, one of 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.040 the big sacraments. Um, let's take a break for an 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:55.560 ad and then we'll finish up the saga and come 0:20:55.760 --> 0:21:12.120 come into fireworks when we return. Welcome back. We were 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.879 just discussing Temple a k Daylife Army, and we've gotten 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:19.600 into some of the darker stuff with it. UM. But 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:23.560 I think what what kind of needs to be clarified 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.640 maybe a little bit is that nobody was really forced 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:31.639 into sex trafficking, um, but they were given very few 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.960 options to operate under the rules of this cult without 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:38.159 doing it. It's like extremely Manson family because that was 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.480 a Manson family tactic. It's like a lot of cults 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.320 tactic is like, you know, show of loyalty by being 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:47.120 like do something you wouldn't normally do. Manson had all 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.160 of the male members of the Manson family have sex 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.480 with each other to like prove that, you know, they 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:55.480 were free of ego or whatever, but it's totally to 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:59.879 like demonstrate that you will do anything, you know, whatever 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:05.040 it takes. So then they started using Grinder and Craigslist 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.760 and stuff. Not Craigslist, you can't do that anymore, but 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:13.479 Tinder hook up sites to to to do dates and right, 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:15.680 they wouldn't let them have any other jobs, and people 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:20.959 were like secretly getting door dash jobs and and rideshare jobs. Yeah, 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:24.520 and like the accommodations kept getting kind of less nice. 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:29.119 Like at first they were at Whizzl's dad's house, and 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:32.480 then they were at some other like nice airbnb's with 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.520 the pool and stuff, and then they were in like 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:36.960 a motel six, and then they were just like living 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.680 out of cars and camping. And at a certain point 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:43.480 they added like a seven level thing to it that 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:47.400 is very scientology, where it's like, you know, you're supposed 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:49.479 to move up through the levels and like get rid 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:52.680 of all your baggage, um, but nobody can actually move 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:56.440 up to the top level except for them. So anyway, 0:22:56.520 --> 0:23:00.240 it kind of it resolves the article. Resolve of the 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.199 cult is not in any way kind of resolved. But 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:04.960 the member who was being who was telling this story 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:08.400 to medium, has since left and started an Instagram called 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.639 pain Matrix where he out he has all these videos, 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:13.720 um and pictures from when he was in the cult, 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:16.679 and he kind of breaks it down. Several members have 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:21.240 anti Temple instagrams now and tell us about the Instagram 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.159 life of Temple. So I was trying to find Temple 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:28.560 stuff online. I looked on Instagram and found both followers 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:33.640 and X followers, and they're like basically directly addressing all 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:36.640 of the stuff in this article on their Instagram right now, 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.160