1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie. 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 2: Missing day thirty three. 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: This as her son in law who came under fire 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: early on, not here, but by others attacking him, breaks cover, 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: subjecting himself to the glare of the camera. 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: And did the. 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: Purp return to the scene. Is there a way to 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: catch him on video? 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: If he did? Many others have made that mistake. 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: This as we learn about a glove found nearby allegedly 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: ruled out because it belonged to a restaurant worker. Really 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: has everybody in that restaurant been ruled out? And why 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: was that glove close to Nancy Guthrie's home. Tonight we 14 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: learn Nano says the end is near? But is it 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: Nanos under fire? Good evening, I Nancy Grace, this is 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: The children of Nancy Guthrie coming to the location where 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: flowers have been laid out in her honor. Savannah on 19 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: the left, you see Annie on the right, and I 20 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: believe in the middle is Nancy Guthrie's son in law. 21 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: This is a heart breaking moment for this family. Savannah 22 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: hugging her brother in law together united hugging her brother 23 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: in law. Okay, straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned 24 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: psycho analys joining us out of the LA jurisdiction. 25 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: She is author of deal Breaker. 26 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: You can see her now on Peacock and find her 27 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, I 28 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: may not be in n as his war room, but 29 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: I can tell you this much. I know Savannah from 30 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: way back when when we worn't together at Court TV, 31 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: and I can tell you this, Dr Bethany Marshall. 32 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: She would not wrap her arm around a guy. 33 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: That she suspected in her mother's kidnap until hell freezes over. 34 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: What about it, Bethany. 35 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 3: If she suspected him, Nancy, there would be massive division 36 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: within the family. This brother in law would not even 37 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: be living with the family. He would be somewhere else. 38 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: He would be with his own relatives. But it appears 39 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 3: that he is united with Savannah and with Annie Guthrie. 40 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 3: He has been living with his wife. And I think, Nancy, 41 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 3: that he has been targeted because he's a man. He 42 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 3: may be one of the lower wage journers in the family. 43 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: He has things that makes him vulnerable and a target 44 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: to the public. But that family loves him. He's the 45 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 3: son in law, he's the brother in law. He's there, 46 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: and I think it is tragic that the family has 47 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: had yet another assault, which is an assault on their 48 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 3: own family member. 49 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: The son in law. 50 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: Breaking cover after being attacked and maligned in the knees. Okay, 51 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: Dave mac joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, tell me 52 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: about what we're seeing right now. 53 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 4: What you're actually seeing is the Savannah's first public appearance. 54 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 4: She has only been seen on video since this story broke. 55 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 4: This is her first public appearance and it is at 56 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 4: the home of her mother. You noticed that makeshift memorial 57 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 4: was set up just off Nancy Guthrie's property because it 58 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 4: was just done by neighbors and friends coming by and 59 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 4: setting it up just off the property. But Savannah and 60 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 4: Tomasso and Annie and all of them cleared of any 61 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 4: involvement in this case. But as you mentioned, you know 62 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: Tamasa has taken a lot of heat and him showing 63 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 4: up and when you see them all arm in arm, 64 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 4: it really does give you that sense of unity that 65 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 4: they have been projecting. Now Cameron, Savannah's older brother, he's 66 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 4: not present. We don't know if he is in Arizona 67 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 4: or he's gone back home. We don't know that yet, 68 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 4: but we have seen the n cleared and then again 69 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 4: seeing this unity and placing a card at the memorial. 70 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 4: Very very emotional, Nancy, very emotional. 71 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: Oh my stars. 72 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: You know, Dr Bethany, I could hardly stand to look 73 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: at the flowers when my dad passed away. I could 74 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: hardly stand it. It reminded me so much of the 75 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: flowers when my fiance was murdered. To this day, I 76 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: cannot stand to be around a carnation. It physically, to 77 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: this day makes me feel nauseous from Keith's funeral. But 78 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: that said, that is heartbreaking right there. That is heartbreaking 79 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: them walking up to that and knowing they're on camera 80 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: to boot at their mom's flower honorarium. And I'm not 81 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: saying memorial because i don't care what anybody says. I'm 82 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: not giving up hope. There is still a hope we 83 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: can bring her home alive. Yes, I'm no idiot. I 84 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: know the odds, but I'm still believing. But what they're 85 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: going through is hell without the brother being tried and executed, 86 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: tarred and feathered in the press. 87 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: The tart of feather Nancy. As I said earlier, it's 88 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: yet another assault on the family Nancy. They are out 89 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 3: there placing flowers at the memorial for one very specific reason, 90 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: besides their love for their mother. They want us to 91 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: keep praying and hoping. They rely on the public, on 92 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: the neighbors, on the news, on people like you to 93 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: keep the story alive, to keep the investigation on going. 94 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 3: So they are encouraging us the public and tragically Nancy. 95 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: Those flowers are yellow. You know the song tied yellow 96 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: ribbon around the old Oak Tree. It was out about 97 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 3: bringing our veterans home or bringing our soldiers home. This 98 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: is a plea from the public to bring Nancy got 99 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: three home. That is what the yellow means, and that's 100 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: why they are placing yellow flowers there. They desperately want 101 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: their mother home. 102 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 1: From our friends at Fox, guys, we have an all 103 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: star panel and you're seeing this from our friends at 104 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: Today the Today Show, where that Anchorchaeir has been empty 105 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: since Savannah's mother went missing. There have been feelings, but 106 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: there's no replacement for Savannah again joining us an all 107 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: star panel, But I want to go out to Heather 108 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: Barnhart in the last hours, we see the family, including 109 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: the brother in law, placing flowers at a public honorarium. 110 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: I'm not ready to say a memorial. I'm not going 111 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: to go there yet. And you see Savannah with her arm. 112 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times wives they don't want 113 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: to see that their husband is a piece of crap, right, 114 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: we all know that because love is blind, you want 115 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: to believe the best. But Savannah hbln us. She's not 116 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,119 Speaker 1: gonna drape her arm around him when she's thinking, yeah, 117 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: he did it, that's not happening. But aside from human 118 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: emotion and me trying to read Savannah's body language from behind, 119 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: Heather Barnhardt is joining us, guys. She is an insane expert, 120 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: I mean digital forensics expert. Was celebrate and we all know. 121 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: What that is. After the Alex Murdlarg trial and after. 122 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: This investigation, she's with the Sands Institute Systems Admin, Audit, 123 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: network and security. She is one of this part I 124 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: like the best, one of the digital forensic experts that 125 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: helped crack the Brian Coburger case. And remember he went 126 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: back and back and back to the scene of the crime. 127 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about why people do that 128 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: and did this killer do it for Pete's sake? Nanos, 129 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: I hope you're recording people coming back to the scene. 130 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: Also co author of Practical Mobile Forensics, now in its 131 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: fourth edition. 132 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: What does that mean? 133 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: That means it's in such demand that as each year 134 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: passes they update it to have the newest and the 135 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: very best information in that Okay, Heather, thank you for 136 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: being with us. Now let's talk about something I do understand. 137 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: As opposed to body language. What would the FBI and 138 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: Nanos if somebody explained to him what to do do 139 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,599 Speaker 1: to rule out the sun in law. 140 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 5: There has to be a fine tooth comb going through 141 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 5: every digital artifact that belongs to him. Your phone has 142 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 5: all the truth. Who do you communicate with, what do 143 00:08:58,800 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 5: you search for? 144 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: Where are you? What is your alibi? 145 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 5: In order for someone to be cleared, you have to 146 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 5: understand the due diligence that went into play here. So 147 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 5: it's awful that people are still pointing the fingers back. 148 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 5: It just keeps terrorizing the family. 149 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: Okay, Heather, let me tell you what I read on 150 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: x AKA Twitter or right before we came to air. 151 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: All right, I read all of the ideas and some 152 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: of them are really very good. One person is now 153 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: blaming the daughter Annie. They're taking the picture of Annie 154 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: and they're using the whites of her eyes. 155 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: When she looks to the side. 156 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: You know, when you look to the side without moving 157 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: your head, you can see more of the white of 158 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: your eye. So they're taking that, and they are then 159 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: comparing the perp, who I now believe is a man 160 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: at first look very feminine. They're comparing that shot of 161 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: the porch guy to Annie and saying that it's really 162 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: Annie based on the whites of the eyes of the perp. 163 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: I mean, stop people, because I guarantee you the FBI 164 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: has been three inches up all of these children's tailpipes 165 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: from the get go, because typically that's who did it, 166 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: someone within the family. 167 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: Then you move out. 168 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: To friends, deliveries, granny, Nanny's churchgoers, within her circle. But 169 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: isn't the first thing that law enforcement does, Heather, is 170 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: try to rule out the family. 171 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 5: Absolutely, That's what you always have to do. And also 172 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 5: I agree with you, Nancy, that is not Annie walking 173 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 5: up onto that porch. And also wouldn't she know that 174 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 5: camera existed? Why would she have to go and grab 175 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 5: some weeds from the garden and cover it. It makes 176 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 5: absolutely no sense and you can see the mannerisms there. 177 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 5: But family always has to be ruled out because that's 178 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 5: the easiest way. The inside knows the most about Nancy, 179 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 5: so ruling them out has to be done, but with 180 00:10:58,679 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 5: due diligence. 181 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: I want to understand exactly how you rule someone out, 182 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: and guys, you've got so much to get to. I 183 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: don't want to belabor this point, but Heather, it would 184 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: be a matter of looking at their cell phone data, 185 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: not just where it was going, but who were they contacting, 186 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: how often when they were contacting people, and had they 187 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: bought a burner phone, you would look for that. You 188 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: would trace their movements with their actual cell phone to 189 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: see if they went to the Quick Trip or the 190 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: Circle k or wherever you can get a burner phone. 191 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: You can get them anywhere, see if a purchase had 192 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: been made. They would be looking for that. They would 193 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: be looking for where they had traveled in their vehicle 194 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: all leading up to specifically in the two weeks leading 195 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: up to Nancy's disappearance, they would go through all of 196 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: their digitals and remember at the get go, Heather, let's 197 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: see that photo control room of when the Feds were 198 00:11:55,640 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: bringing out the box, the fad box that downloads all 199 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: of your digital data. 200 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: There you go. And there was another one. 201 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: Too where the guy the Elie was carrying looked like 202 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: a messenger boy bag around his shoulder, over his shoulder. 203 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: Oh guys, this is from kild and it was actually 204 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: a you fed Heather, how does that work? 205 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 5: The you fed is the hardware that we use to 206 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 5: extract data from phone, so it will give us a 207 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 5: full file system acquisition that allows us to look at 208 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 5: every single piece of evidence, every artifact, every communication location 209 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 5: that exists on that device. And when you see celebrate 210 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 5: leaving and I know there's shirts, and there's boxes and 211 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 5: there's cases, that's actually a good sign. That means that 212 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 5: law enforcement is doing their due diligence to get all 213 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 5: of the information pertaining to the crime. 214 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: So how would they track everybody? Heather? 215 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: And I know that you have to dumby down for 216 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: all of us, but how would they track and or 217 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: clear the son in law and the brother and the sister. 218 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: People are even speculating that Savannah kidnapped her own mother. 219 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: It's a waste of oxygen. 220 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: But how do you track that and rule the people 221 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: out because in the last hours we see the son 222 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: in law breaking cover in an a poignant and heartbreaking way. 223 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 2: So how does it happen? 224 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: I want to hear that the fundamentals, the rudimentary explanation. 225 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 2: How do you actually do it? 226 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 5: It's exactly what people see on TV. So you have 227 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 5: to have an alibi. Did you take a polygraph proving 228 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 5: your alibi as correct? Your phone is looked through, all 229 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 5: your financial documentations, in every purchase that you've made, have 230 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 5: you purchased weapons, your location artifacts, All of these things 231 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 5: come into play to give a sound alibi clearing family 232 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 5: from investigations like this. And this is something that law 233 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 5: enforcement would not take lightly. It is on them to 234 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 5: solve this and they probably went through with such diligence 235 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 5: because it's easy. If the suspect is an insider, then 236 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 5: you don't have to go out and looking at the public. 237 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: Well, okay, let me be more pointed in my question, 238 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: your honor. Let me rephrase that's what I do when 239 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: I have a witness that is not being responsive. Before 240 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: I have to get really mean, Heather, how would you 241 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: try how would you figure out if somebody bought a 242 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: burner phone? 243 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: How would you start that investigation. 244 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 5: Well, that's a good question. Most people would do it 245 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 5: with cash if you're smart. If you did it with 246 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 5: a credit card, that's easy to financially trace it back. 247 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 5: But wherever burner phones can be purchased, think of walmarts 248 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 5: and locations like that, the CCTV footage of a person 249 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 5: entering would be crystal clear there. Also, they would still 250 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 5: ping cell towers because they have prepaid some cards in them. 251 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 5: They have data plans, so you can't hide from that 252 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 5: tower data. 253 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: You know, when your technical legal term really. 254 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: Screwed have their bar and heart is when you buy 255 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: a burner phone with cash and you use the name 256 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: like bugs Bunny, because unlike T mobile or AT and 257 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: T or VZW, where it's under your name, there is 258 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: an account with Heather Barnhart on it, and it's got's 259 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: your address, it's got's probably got your social security it's 260 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: probably got everything on there. Your credit card that you 261 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: pay with a burner phone you can put under any 262 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: name and it doesn't have to be connected to you 263 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: or any other mobile number. For instance, a lot of 264 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: times when you start an email, you have to give 265 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: your old email, or you have to give some type 266 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: of contact information not with a burner phone. So if 267 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: you go in and pay for it with cash, the FEDS, 268 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: the government is screwed because they've got to figure it out. 269 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: They have to look at burner phones in the area, 270 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: narrow it down, and then trace that burner phone. And 271 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: when they finally get to the store they find out 272 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: bugs Bunny bought it, They're screwed because then they have 273 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: to look for video surveillance to see if they can 274 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: find the person. It's just it's really hard if that's 275 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: the way it went down. 276 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: Heather, agree or disagree. 277 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 5: I kind of agree, But we are assuming that people 278 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 5: are really smart. Most criminals aren't. So if I go 279 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 5: buy a burner phone right now and I want to 280 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 5: be Jessica Rabbit, that's great. But guess what, Heather Barnhardt's 281 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 5: device is right here beside me. They will talk to 282 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 5: each other. It is almost impossible to hide your location 283 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 5: even from burner phones, and those two devices will eventually communicate. 284 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 5: So as smart as we want to be, digital evidence 285 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 5: is smarter, and it's really hard to outsmart. 286 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: That crime stories with Nancy Grace. 287 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: Joining me now, Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations, USPA Nationwide Security. 288 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: He leads a team of trained investigators that go around 289 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: the world trying to find missing people. He is a 290 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: former marine. He is in a rocky war vet. I 291 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: think that says it all. Fitzgibbons, thank you for being 292 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: with us tonight. I want you to weigh in and 293 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: why do I care about the son in law being 294 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: ruled out? Because that's one less person that everybody on 295 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: the internet has to focus on. Now we can redirect 296 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: energy to finding the perp. Because if you go down 297 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: a rabbit hole and as the wrong rabbit hole, you're 298 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: wasting a lot of time. And I have seen cases 299 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: solved by citizen sleuth. Do I have to say, Gabby 300 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: Patito for the millionth time, but that sentence given is 301 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: way in the sun in law breaking cover being seen 302 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: in public, after being subjected to a tar and feathering 303 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: like no other. 304 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 305 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 6: Absolutely, And I want to add something here. Heather did 306 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 6: a tremendous job of explaining, you know, the hard science 307 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 6: behind getting this data. But folks need to understand, after 308 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 6: all that data was collected, the law enforcement has it, 309 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 6: and they're conducting interviews with the family and they're using 310 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 6: that data to drive those questions, right, and they're going 311 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 6: to find out is their deception, are their patterns of 312 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 6: deception or their lives being told? And that's obviously that 313 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 6: didn't happen here. So the reality is that they weren't 314 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 6: cleared just because the cell phone data was, you know, 315 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 6: cleared them. They were also cleared after extensive amounts of interviews, 316 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 6: and that I think that gets forgotten online, that you know, 317 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 6: they are professional investigators having those conversations and everything's coming 318 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 6: up good for the family member. 319 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: Fitz Gibbons, do you believe the family took Polly's because 320 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: I think they did. 321 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 2: I think they did. I think they strapped that sent 322 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: along to a poll in a New York Minute. 323 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: Yes, and that's to be expected. And I've said this, 324 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: I'm screaming it again. Gold standard Mark Klass. When his 325 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: daughter Polly went missing, they came from a spend the 326 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: night in her home, in her mom's home. There were 327 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: other little girls in the room. First thing they do, 328 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: they bam on his door. He goes, take my fingerprints, 329 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: take my DNA. I'll give an alibi. Search my home, 330 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: search my car, search my office. So I'll take a 331 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: Polly so you can go find who has my daughter. 332 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: Of course they would submit to a Polly at the 333 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: get go, because that's spiecete interoperating procedure. You look at 334 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: the family first. Does it another technical legal term suck? Yes, 335 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: it does for the family, but they do it because 336 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: they want law enforcement to move on to find the purp. 337 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: So I imagine they all submitted to Polly's at the 338 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: get go, especially the son in law. 339 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 2: He's part of the family, but he's not a blood relation, 340 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: so they look at him first. That's spot on. 341 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 6: And I want to add another thing, the amount of 342 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 6: resources thrown at this in the first thirty days. Okay, 343 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 6: they absolutely would have focused hard on the son in law, 344 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 6: on all the family members. And you know, the logic 345 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 6: tells us, given that there hasn't been an on either 346 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 6: one of them, that they've been clear. 347 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: One of the first pleas buy Savannah Guthrie and she 348 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: is sitting with sister Annie and brother Cameron. Do you 349 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: really think she would have sat there willingly knowing her 350 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: brother in law was part of the kidnap plan. 351 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 7: Our mom is a kind, faithful, loyal, fiercely loving woman 352 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 7: of goodness and liked. She's funny, spunky, and clever. She 353 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 7: has grandchildren that adore her and crowd around her and 354 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 7: cover her with kisses. 355 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: And Annie has been attacked. Of course, her husband is 356 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: the son in law we're talking about. 357 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: For not looking at the camera. 358 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 7: Look, we received your message, and we understand. We beg 359 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 7: you now to return our mother to us so that 360 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 7: we can celebrate with her. This is the only way 361 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 7: we will have people. 362 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall throughout that was I believe the 363 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: second plea that Savannah may with the brother and her 364 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: sister with her. 365 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: Annie could hardly look up. See. I didn't find that 366 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: unusual given the circumstances. 367 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 3: Nancy. She's looking down because she's overwhelmed, she's disheartened, she's depressed. 368 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: If she was. 369 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 3: Looking straight at the camera, Nancy, that's a sign of defiance. 370 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 3: That's a sign of defensiveness. It's appropriate that she looked down. 371 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: And you know, Nancy, if it was a family member, 372 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 3: I just want to say, there would be so much 373 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: behavioral evidence. And what I mean by that is that 374 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 3: you would have one family member who would be saying, 375 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: oh can I pay moms bills? Oh can I have 376 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 3: the number to mom's banking account? Oh can I talk 377 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 3: to Mom's a state attorney. Oh, I have a big 378 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: bill to pay. Will Mom cover that from me? Let 379 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 3: me spend time with mom today. There would be somebody 380 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: within that family, and there is not who would have 381 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 3: been targeting Nancy Guthrie financially and we have not seen that. 382 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 3: So there is no behavioral evidence whatsoever to support that 383 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 3: there's a family member involved in her disappearance. 384 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: Then the theories got crazier that the son in law 385 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: was involved with an accomplice, and that the accomplice was 386 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: sending the ransom notes and the son in law had 387 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: cut off contacts so they both wouldn't be caught. 388 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: I mean, it just spun out out. And now that said, 389 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: let's move forward with what we know. 390 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: Dave mac joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter in the 391 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: last hours Nano's has said, we're definitely getting close. 392 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 7: Now. 393 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: I don't know what that means in Nano's land, but 394 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: can I talk to you about the glove, the restaurant 395 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: glove that was found tell me and a nutshell, Dave 396 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: Matt A nutshell. 397 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 4: Glove found two miles away from Nancy Guthrie's house had 398 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 4: DNA on it. They ran the investigation ran everything they 399 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 4: could on this glove. It traced back to a restaurant 400 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 4: employee who the investigators have cleared as a potential suspect. 401 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 4: Whever alibi he had chat or she checked out. We 402 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 4: do not know the name of the restaurant. We just 403 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 4: know that that glove did not become part of the investigation. 404 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 4: It was part from a restaurant worker. 405 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you told me that, Dave Matt, because 406 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: I was concerned and they went, oh, yeah, this glove 407 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. It belongs to a restaurant worker. 408 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: But you're telling me they went ahead and cleared the 409 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: restaurant worker. They did investigate it. Correct, correct, Speaking of restaurant, 410 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: did Nancy Guthrie unwittingly make herself a target? 411 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: I reject the theory. 412 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: This was a Savannah, Arizona homecoming where she went home 413 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: and there she is with her mom and they're out 414 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: in a Mexican restaurant. There's any I think that's any 415 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: over to the left. I can't quite make it out. 416 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: But this was on air how soon before the kidnapping, 417 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: And that's from our friends at today. 418 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: When did this happen? 419 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 4: Dave mac that video actually Eric, just a couple of 420 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 4: weeks before the kidnapping Nancy, because if you remember it, 421 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 4: Savannah had been off the show four weeks having surgery 422 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 4: on her throat and was recovering from it. This was 423 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 4: all part of the holidays and everything else, coming back 424 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 4: showing Savannah out with her mother at their favorite Mexican restaurant. 425 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: You know, I'm also I'm thinking back, Dave, if you 426 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: could refresh our recollection. Do you recall that odd Google 427 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: search that searched for Nancy Guffries's home address and Savannah's salary? 428 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 2: Do you remember that search? 429 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 4: It was June of twenty two. 430 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: So the Google search was Jane of twenty twenty five. Okay, 431 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: so that has really no bearing on the restaurant appearance, 432 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 1: you know, Doctor Bethany Marshall, I think I worded that incorrectly. 433 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: I said, did Nancy Guthrie unwittingly make herself a target? 434 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: That is somehow putting blame on the victim. What I 435 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: meant to say, what I should have said, is did 436 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: some perv, some evil, hateful, mean spirited person see her 437 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: on the Today Show and target her? That's what I 438 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: should have said. Because that appearance was coming from a 439 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: place of love, not in any way the victim putting 440 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: them making themselves a target. 441 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 3: If this was a result of a crazed fan who 442 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 3: saw her in the restaurant, or a server perhaps who 443 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 3: learned that, oh, this is Savannah Guthrie, then that would 444 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 3: be more of a stalking scenario, Nancy. And in a 445 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: stalking scenario, these stalkers always write manifestos. You would see 446 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 3: something on the internet, something in somebody's home, they would 447 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 3: have become preoccupied and started talking to a family member 448 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 3: about it. There are no missives that have come in, 449 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 3: no missives that we see prior to a kidnapping that 450 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 3: is motivated by somebody's fame. So yes, you're right, she 451 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 3: would not have made herself target. She's not making herself 452 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: a victim. But I don't believe she's a target because 453 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 3: of that anyway. 454 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Gray joining us now Brian Trasher, 455 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: the vice president of the United Kajuan Navy, now in Arizona, 456 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: offering to help in a search for Nancy Guthrie. Understanding 457 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: Brian Trasher that Nanos has not responded. He needs all 458 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: the help he can get, so I'm not sure what 459 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: his delay is. 460 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: But Brian, I want to ask you a pointed question. 461 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: I noticed online that the United Cajun Navy is being 462 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: attacked for soliciting donations. Aren't these volunteers they don't expect 463 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: to be paid. So are you soliciting donations? And if so, 464 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: why so? 465 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 8: No, we've not asked for any donations or posted any 466 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 8: donation lanks the entire time we've been in Arizona. It's 467 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 8: just internet trolls that we get every time we go anywhere. 468 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 8: We've also publicly declined that we would take any reward 469 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 8: if we qualified for any or directed to the Center 470 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 8: for Missing at Exploiting Persons or Children I think is 471 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 8: the name of the organization. No, this isn't about donations. 472 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 8: We already have very generous donors that have allowed us 473 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 8: to be out in this assessment so that we could 474 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 8: submit this detailed, forty one page tactical plan to assist 475 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 8: in the search for Nancy Gotthrie. 476 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: What are are you offering to Nanos and what's his problems? 477 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: He added another basketball game and hasn't been able to respond. 478 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 8: So, you know, we have a lot of volunteers and assets. 479 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 8: We have a lot of folks that are very experienced 480 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 8: current and former law enforcement, military, all that kind of thing, 481 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 8: canine dogs, which are extremely beneficial in these types of searches. 482 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 8: The first time we reached out just with a general offer, 483 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 8: we did hear back from the p IO saying that 484 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 8: they were not accepting help from external organizations. So we 485 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 8: kind of after Josh was out there finishing his assessment, 486 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 8: we put together a full operational package and figured it 487 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 8: couldn't hurt to submit it one more time, just as 488 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 8: they would know that. You know, we've come a long 489 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 8: way from being just a bunch of guys on boats 490 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 8: pulling people off of roofs. We really do have a 491 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 8: lot of really amazing assets and capabilities this time. I 492 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 8: don't believe we've gotten any answer at all. I think 493 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 8: they've just kind of stuck to their their their mantra 494 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 8: that they want to leave it to the professionals. But 495 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 8: you know, we'd like to remind everybody that Noah's Ark 496 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 8: was built by amateur, as the Titanic was built by professionals. 497 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 8: I'm not sure why we couldn't be a force multiplier 498 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 8: form in this situation. 499 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: Guys with me. 500 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: Brian Trasher, VP of the United Cajun Navy offering to 501 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: help Nanos this as Nanos is coming under fire from 502 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: inside his own department. And yes, we could talk about 503 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: that for the rest of our program, but it really 504 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: doesn't advance the search for Nancy Guthrie to talk about 505 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: what went wrong except really what has been missed? When 506 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: was it missed? And can it be fixed? But you know, 507 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, I want to follow up on what Trasher 508 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: just said. Brian Fitzgibbons joining us from USPA Nationwide Security. 509 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: You know, when you don't know a horse, look at 510 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: his track record. We see Nanos turning down the Cajun Navy. 511 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: We see him trying to shut out the FEDS, which 512 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: was such a bad move and we lost many, many 513 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: day's lead time on that move before the FANS were 514 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: finally brought in and now it looks like he's doing 515 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: it again. 516 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's important to point out here that a 517 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 6: lot of law enforcement agencies simply don't have the mechanism 518 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 6: or built to accept what would be very profitable help 519 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 6: from the public and resources like the Cajun Navy, and 520 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 6: that's disheartening to see. Adding to this, you know, the 521 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 6: Pima County Deputies organization has been tremendously critical of Nanos's 522 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 6: leadership in the past year. There have been votes of 523 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 6: no confidence and there's been a mass exodus of talented 524 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 6: investigators in the last twelve months. So this has been 525 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 6: widely reported by spokespeople from the Pima County Deputies Organization, 526 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 6: which is their you know, union unionized. 527 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: Body, right, Dave Max, I want to talk to you 528 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: about vehicles and video. 529 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 2: At the very big I believe it was NANOS. 530 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: It was stated that the neighbor's video from surveillance video 531 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: which is about two and a half miles away from 532 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie's home, on a street that fed into Nancy 533 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: Street traffic twelve cars between twelve am six am, one 534 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: speeding by just eight minutes after Nancy Guthrie's pacemaker disconnected 535 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: from Bluetooth when she's taken from the home. At first 536 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: we were told all that means nothing. Now I understand 537 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: nanisus stating it may mean something and they're trying to 538 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: track down the vehicle. 539 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: Is that true, Dave. 540 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 4: Mac absolutely one hundred percent accurate. Nancy started off, they said, 541 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 4: doesn't mean anything. Now they've looked at it and going 542 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 4: it means everything you actually can see on this video Nancy, 543 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 4: the same vehicle going towards the Nancy Guthrie area, and 544 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 4: then another leaving the area at two thirty six am, 545 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 4: eight minutes as you mentioned, after the Bluetooth disconnected between 546 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,479 Speaker 4: her pacemaker and her phone or watch. 547 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: And where I'm going with this, Dave Matt and this 548 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: is to Brian Tresher from United Cajun Navy. 549 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 2: Is see this is at two. 550 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: Point five miles away from Nancy's home. They had originally 551 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: set out set up a dragnet a radius of search 552 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: two miles and this was just outside that video from 553 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: our friends at Fox. By the way, if volunteers had 554 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: been used, maybe that restaurant glove other gloves, this video 555 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: would have been found sooner. Now I understand the problems 556 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: with chain of custody. You can't hand over a video 557 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: to a volunteer. You gotta hold up the chain, hand 558 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: that video over to law enforcement. But the Cajun Navy 559 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: volunteers could have gone from two miles out, continued to search, 560 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: gone door to door, asking people if they have surveillance video, 561 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: and then letting them hand it over to authorities. I mean, 562 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: there's so much you guys could be doing and are 563 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: willing to do. This is just one example. See we're 564 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: twenty plus days into it before we find out about 565 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: that neighbor's video. 566 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: That is a shame and it could have been corrected. 567 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 8: Yeah, you're right. And you know, we work with law 568 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 8: enforcement agencies and agencies like the Coast Guard all the time, 569 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 8: and what they do is they give us specific grids, 570 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 8: say this is where we want you guys to search, 571 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 8: and it's almost always separate and apart from where their 572 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 8: own personnel are, so we're not interfering with their actual personnel. 573 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 8: They don't ever give us any kind of evidence or 574 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 8: things that aren't released to the public. I mean, they 575 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 8: have to keep the chain of custody of those things type. 576 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 8: We understand that. But that's the whole part nancy of 577 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 8: being a force multiplier is that you say, hey, this 578 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 8: is how far my agency can go. This is where 579 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 8: we want the Cajun maybe to start out here. Just 580 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 8: like in Texas after the Hill Country floods, we were 581 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 8: working down river from the Coast Guard and the Texas 582 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 8: Rangers just in case there was anything that got past them. 583 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 8: That's how NGOs like us can work with official agencies 584 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 8: very sembiotically and hopefully bring some good resolution to these 585 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 8: families that are missing loved ones. 586 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: And I'm not pro or anti the Cajun Navy. I'm 587 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: pro finding Nancy Guthrie. That's what I'm about, so very 588 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: quickly all of these people, and I don't even want 589 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: to show their pictures. Control Room, don't. 590 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 2: Do it, do not do it. 591 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: Freaks that are showing up trying to do selfie shots 592 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 1: outside of Nancy Guthrie's home. They're ghoules, like vampires, and 593 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 1: some of them wearing booty shorts and just very scantily clad. 594 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: It's just so wrong on so many levels. But that said, 595 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm wondering what you think this Heather Barnhardt and Brian Fitzgibbons. 596 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 2: Let's go to Heather first. 597 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: If surveillance is still there or working in the area, 598 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: to catch all the people coming back to the scene, 599 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: because you know, unless they've already high tailed it, left 600 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: left the jurisdiction, they've gone to ground, they may very 601 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: well come back to the scene. I know it sounds 602 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: crazy to us, It sounds crazy to me up here, 603 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: but suspects do it all the time. And if surveillance 604 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: video was working two and two could equal four. 605 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 5: And if you mix surveillance with cell tower pins, you 606 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 5: have even more m O to potentially find this person. 607 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: This is the purp who's got a bite light in 608 00:35:53,880 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: his mouth, Doctor Bethany, Why do people return to the scene? Okay, 609 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: that people online are saying is annie, which is insane. 610 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 2: By the way. Oh and hey, control room, while you're 611 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 2: at it. 612 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: I was reading early early this morning, someone asking did 613 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: I point out the different jackets the guy with the 614 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: backpack the guy without the backpack, And I think they 615 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: were at different times. At the very get go, I 616 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: was talking to Dave mac and I said that one 617 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: on the right to me looks like a different jacket. 618 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: It almost looks like it's got a Minecraft my son's 619 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: Minecraft hoodie that he had forever when he was a kid. 620 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: But someone wrote today that it was a camouflage jacket 621 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: different from the one the purpose wearing the night of 622 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: the kidnap, and they. 623 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 2: May very well be correct. 624 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: Dave, may do you remember our conversation about how the 625 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: jackets looked different. 626 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if we were on air or off air. 627 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 4: I remember you and I talked about it at length, 628 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 4: and we didn't know at that time when the separate 629 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 4: photos were taken. We didn't know if they were taken 630 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 4: at the same time, and so we were very concerned 631 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 4: about what that could. We found out later on they 632 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 4: were taken at different times, which really goes back to 633 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 4: what you've talked about this guy. This person planned this 634 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 4: out enough to maybe have done a dry run through 635 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 4: without the gun, you know, and just without the backpack, 636 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 4: did a quick walkthrough to see what he was looking at. 637 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 2: Maybe you know. 638 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: Another thing I'm wondering about, and I'm going to circle 639 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: back to doctor Bethany about why people return to the 640 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: scene is. 641 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 2: What's Google up to right now? 642 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: Have they managed to get any more video? Is their 643 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 1: audio that we haven't seen yet? But as we were 644 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: talking earlier about returning to the scene, Doctor Bethany, why 645 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: do people do that? 646 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 2: We know that Scott Peterson. 647 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: Did it repeatedly, and we know that Peterson did it 648 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 1: because he had a GPS tracker on his vehicle, including 649 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: his super secret Batmobile, It had a tracker on it, 650 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: unknownst to him, unknownst to him. He kept going out 651 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 1: and staring out at San Francie. I guess he thought 652 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: he'd see Lacy's body pop up, which it did, by 653 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: the way, and then of course Brian Coburger goes back 654 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 1: to the scene like eleven times. I think, looking at 655 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: the same after. 656 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 2: The murders freak. So why do they do it, Bethany. 657 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 3: We're announcing the most common reason is it you think 658 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 3: of Brian Coberger at Scott Peterson, is that they're still 659 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 3: glorifying the crime. They're going back to the glory days 660 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 3: when they committed the crime. There's a lot of satisfaction. 661 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 3: But in this case, I think a reason that a 662 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 3: might return is it's really determined by the intent of 663 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 3: the crime. If the intent was stalking, then returning would 664 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 3: be to gain proximity to the home. If if the 665 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 3: intent was financially motivated, it would be to see is 666 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 3: there that can they case the house out? Even more, 667 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 3: is there something that they can take from the house 668 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 3: now that the house is not guarded. It could be 669 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 3: motivated by paranoia just to see what's going on out 670 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 3: there and are people like circling in closer to them. 671 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 3: But I think most likely Nancy, whoever did this, is 672 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 3: a very attached to Nancy Guthrie is very connected to her. 673 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 3: Either sexually, financially, she's a target and being near her 674 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 3: house is somehow would be exciting to them. 675 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 2: Ryan Vsgibbons. 676 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: If the did return to the same how would we 677 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 1: catch him? 678 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, just as how the Barnhart said, they're definitely going 679 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 6: to be pulling cell phone information number one, number two. 680 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,919 Speaker 6: It's very likely that there was additional cameras placed at 681 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 6: the property by law enforcement to capture just that, and 682 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 6: not to mention, there's been a consistent media presence out there, 683 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 6: in a consistent presence of law enforcement officials. So they're 684 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 6: definitely running cars and plates of everybody who's by. 685 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: You'd think, right, Brian Fitzgibbons, you'd think they are, But 686 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: are they. 687 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 2: Nobody here is giving up. 688 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: If you know or you think you know anything about 689 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 1: the disappearance of this beloved Grandma Nancy Guthrie, please dial 690 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 1: toll free one eight hundred two two five five three 691 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: two four repeat one eight hundred, call FBI, or if 692 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: you wish to remain anonymous five two zero eight eight 693 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: two seven four sixty three repeat five two zero eight 694 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: eight two seven four six three. 695 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 2: There is a one point. 696 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: Two plus million dollar reward for information leading to the 697 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie. It does not require an arrest 698 00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: or a conviction. One point two plus million dollar reward. 699 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off for tonight Good Night Friend, m 700 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 2: HM