WEBVTT - Tig Notaro

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Sam Edis and I'm Amy Nelson. Welcome to What's

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<v Speaker 1>Comedian tag Nataro is known for her dead pan humor.

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<v Speaker 1>She was nominated for two Grammys and an Emmy. Her

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<v Speaker 1>memoir I'm Just a Person is a New York Times bestseller.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start a family who had children six years ago?

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<v Speaker 1>What was that? Like a big change? But that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I was hoping for. That's what everybody would say to me, is, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know your life is going to change drastically. Hey, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I want, right, I'm signing up for that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Or when people say enjoy every moment, like yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're both parents together we have seven children, but not together.

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<v Speaker 1>She has four, I have three. Um, so has your

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<v Speaker 1>humor changed since you started parenting. I wouldn't say it's changed.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, you know, there's kind of been a

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<v Speaker 1>slow shift in the Before I got married, I used

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<v Speaker 1>to just say whatever I wanted on stage, and then

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<v Speaker 1>that changed a little bit because my wife Stephanie was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's really what happened or that's

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<v Speaker 1>really personal to us. And then I started looking at

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<v Speaker 1>things a little differently in that way where I was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that doesn't go on stage. And then when we

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<v Speaker 1>had kids, there was the other place of protecting their privacy,

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<v Speaker 1>deciding what to share whatnot. So it's more of a

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<v Speaker 1>filter process with Stephanie. Say that parenting with you is

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<v Speaker 1>very funny, No, I think there are funny moments for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Even just this morning, our son we

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<v Speaker 1>went on vacation, our son, which I think I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell this, but our son max Is. We asked, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>are you excited to get back to school and he said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I've got I've got a lot of martial

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<v Speaker 1>arts classes to teach, and yeah, We're like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing? I said, well, I just I teach martial

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<v Speaker 1>arts in school. And you know, Adrian's in the class

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<v Speaker 1>and Lucas is in the class, and so it's funny

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<v Speaker 1>in that way. But parenting is. I remember old friends

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<v Speaker 1>of mine who had been together since college. They were

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<v Speaker 1>each other's first girlfriends, and they said that their relationship

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<v Speaker 1>was just smooth sailing until they had children, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they said we argued about everything down to how to

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<v Speaker 1>cross the street with our children. And I didn't understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>And not that Stephanie and I are arguing about everything

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<v Speaker 1>at all, but it really is challenging to because we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't discuss before we had kids, how do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>about this? What do you think about this? So what

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<v Speaker 1>do you do down the road and any of that.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just like, yeah, let's have kids, and we did,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were like, wow, you think that you feel

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<v Speaker 1>that doing that, I'm doing this and it's really interesting. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's also within the filter of being exhausted all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, So not only are you negotiating that, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing it while you're exhausted, which leads to so

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<v Speaker 1>many more arguments and intention about things that you normally

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't care about, but when you're hanging by a threat.

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<v Speaker 1>When we were when our babies were tiny and we

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<v Speaker 1>were both working and they you know, we didn't sleep

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<v Speaker 1>train and then I finally I was filming a TV show,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, I think I'm gonna do sleep training,

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<v Speaker 1>and Stephanie was against sleep training and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm We're in the writer's room that was filming

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<v Speaker 1>all day, Like, I'm losing my mind. And so she

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to try it, and we put the babies down,

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<v Speaker 1>we walk out of the room. They start screaming and

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<v Speaker 1>we're standing there and um, I said, Okay, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we just go back to our room. And she said,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're just fine with this. You're just fine with

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<v Speaker 1>sing to our baby scream And I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I am not fine with this. This is devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to do. I'm losing my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>We had the exact same argument. I think it's every

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<v Speaker 1>couple if there's always one like end path like me.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, I can't bear ever one second I listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't bear story. I hired. I got desperate and

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<v Speaker 1>hired a woman on the phone who lived in Idaho

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<v Speaker 1>to teach me how to teach gets to sleep. But

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<v Speaker 1>she did. I was like, are you like, like she

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<v Speaker 1>taught me how to do it in three days for

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<v Speaker 1>a service like that, And then we never we were

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place. We were just like, Hi, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm giving my credit card and then we got

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<v Speaker 1>what do we do? And I was like, we a

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<v Speaker 1>company favorite clients because we never called. Well, Harvey carp

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<v Speaker 1>came to our house. You ever him from the Happiest

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<v Speaker 1>Baby on the Block. He wrote this amazing, amazing but

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<v Speaker 1>tappy seeing on the black and he taught us how

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<v Speaker 1>to teach our child to sleep through the night at

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen months. Oh my gosh, that was her first night

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep at you. Meanwhile, my brother and his wife

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<v Speaker 1>had a baby five months ago and they called us

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like, yeah, Mark sleeps eleven hours a night.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like dying. We didn't have that, and nor do

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<v Speaker 1>we have. Stephanie would always point out kids that were

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<v Speaker 1>just sitting at the parties. She was like, how are

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<v Speaker 1>how's this kid just sitting on someone's lap. Our kids

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<v Speaker 1>are just up the tree and in the pool, and

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<v Speaker 1>so what kind of kid were you? Um? I was

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<v Speaker 1>into stuff that was definitely into I was up the

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<v Speaker 1>tree and you know, well, yes, of course, Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>failed three grades, I dropped out of high school. I smoked,

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<v Speaker 1>I played guitar, I snuck out of the house, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>drove without a license when I was you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like eleven and driving around smoking. And so when

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<v Speaker 1>did you get straight? In terms of you're not, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, I feel like, you know, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>process of, honestly, speaking of when did I get straight?

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<v Speaker 1>Was figuring out that I was gay, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>learning who I was. I was like, oh, this is me.

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<v Speaker 1>And then um becoming a comedian, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is me. And so I think I was just

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<v Speaker 1>slowly getting on a path in life and stand Up

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<v Speaker 1>really really whipped me into shame. What was the first

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<v Speaker 1>name that you did? Stand up? What was it like?

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<v Speaker 1>It went really well, and I got cocky, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, from this is easy. I guess I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>naturally great at this. And then I went up the

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<v Speaker 1>second time and I bombed and ran off the stage

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<v Speaker 1>and drove home while my friend Derek left hysterically at

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<v Speaker 1>me on the car ride from Orange County. He was

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<v Speaker 1>just he was in tears. It's true, And so how

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<v Speaker 1>do you go back the third time? You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like sadly like an abusive relationship where it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you keep finding hope that like Oh it'll be better. Oh, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be nicer, you know, and it's tied to some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of terrible thing I guess in people's lives where

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, I'm I'll make them happy. I'll do

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<v Speaker 1>it right this time, you know, and you're stuck in

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<v Speaker 1>the cycle of like bombing and then doing well, and

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<v Speaker 1>then bombing and doing well and over and over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>At what point did you feel like you've broken through,

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<v Speaker 1>like I've actually made it or some semblance have made it.

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<v Speaker 1>Truly the first open mic I did because I never

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<v Speaker 1>imagined and people think I'm exaggerating, but my whole childhood

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be a stand up comedian and I

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<v Speaker 1>never thought I could. I didn't think it was I

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<v Speaker 1>always say that, And this is a terrible example now

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<v Speaker 1>because what I was going to say is it's like

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to be president. You know that not anyone can

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<v Speaker 1>be president, but now we know anyone can be president.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's more of like that feeling of like, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you go to space, how do you become president?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you become a stand up comedian? How do

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<v Speaker 1>you research? How? I mean, what did you do well?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I had no plans to really become one

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<v Speaker 1>my best friends that I grew up with. They were

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<v Speaker 1>moving to Los Angeles and I had gone through a breakup,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, well, I guess I'll just go

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<v Speaker 1>with you. And I went and I opened the l

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<v Speaker 1>a weekly, and there was so many opportunities to get

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<v Speaker 1>on stage, and so I started going to watch stand

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<v Speaker 1>up for two weeks to check out the scene, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I just thought, well, I guess I'll sign up

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<v Speaker 1>for an open mic. And when I got on stage,

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<v Speaker 1>I I couldn't believe I was doing what I had

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<v Speaker 1>always dreamed of doing. That it was truly just signing

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<v Speaker 1>my name on a paper and walking on stage, but

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<v Speaker 1>spending the two weeks prior talking to myself in the

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<v Speaker 1>mirror and I would hold a UM flashlight and talk

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<v Speaker 1>to myself in the mirror. And then I one did it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have succeeded. It's something that most people don't

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<v Speaker 1>Why you mean stand up? Because I was not asking

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<v Speaker 1>the marriage. Why do I think I have succeeded. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's something too consistency, and I think in stand up,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're getting at the time laughs, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you're on the right track. And so that kept me

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<v Speaker 1>sucked in and continuing. And but I also once I

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<v Speaker 1>had that initial bite in the open mic, I really

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't stop. I was on stage seven nights a week,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was always told that I wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a headlining comedian because I was too low key,

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<v Speaker 1>or I was female or gay or all of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's hard for people, maybe now to realize you

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<v Speaker 1>really were told that. And I used to think, okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just do this as long as I can, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll end up in a writer's room, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what I was told was where somebody like me would

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<v Speaker 1>end up this, you know, working for somebody that's on

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<v Speaker 1>stage or on the show or something. And I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine, if that's down the road, i'll end up there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm going to do this as long as I can.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just kept doing it. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>really key, is showing up and being passionate. And boy

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<v Speaker 1>was passion I didn't even have a car. I rode

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<v Speaker 1>my bicycle from Hollywood to Santa Monica. I would go

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<v Speaker 1>and people couldn't sweaty and I'd be like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>guy walks into a now a quick when was the

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<v Speaker 1>last time you had an off open mic night or

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<v Speaker 1>an off night doing stand up. I did a show

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<v Speaker 1>on I just finished a seventy plus city tour and

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<v Speaker 1>there is a city they will remain nameless where people

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<v Speaker 1>simultaneously felt like, how did you recover? After that? It

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<v Speaker 1>was truly like I have been all around this country.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not out in the city. You're not gonna because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm probably gonna have to go back there another year

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<v Speaker 1>and the same people are going to come back because

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't think that's an optimist perspective, But it was

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<v Speaker 1>a weird feeling where I was like, I've been doing

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<v Speaker 1>this twenty five years. I've just done you know, so

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<v Speaker 1>many shows on this tour, and you're telling me this

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<v Speaker 1>is not funny. I mean, there's a part of me

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<v Speaker 1>that I have had a certain amount of success which

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<v Speaker 1>has built up my confidence that truly, when I have

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<v Speaker 1>a night like that, I just in my head going,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been through worse and just take the money and run.

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Before we dig into our time with Tig and

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<v Speaker 1>I have to admit I barely knew who she was.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she was familiar in her face to me,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I really didn't know her work before we

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed her, and I am obsessed with her, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>was online looking for tickets to her show. I think

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<v Speaker 1>she is the funniest human she was. On her website,

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<v Speaker 1>she has a section called secrets, and then it says,

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<v Speaker 1>please do not share this information with anyone. And the

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<v Speaker 1>secrets are things like I loved drawing Civil War portraits

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<v Speaker 1>as a child and oh my God and Amy holding one.

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<v Speaker 1>More guilty pleasures are America's the funniest rome videos and

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<v Speaker 1>walking upright that's articulous. The truth is, like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a woman who can opine about what it is to

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<v Speaker 1>live a life and be a woman in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of her life and deal with things like cancer and

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<v Speaker 1>romance and kids and sexuality, and like find that humor

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<v Speaker 1>that we desperately need to get through the hard parts.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did you think of tig I think she's

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly smart and brilliant. I love her. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be her friend. Are you surprised? No? I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>really want to be her friends, Like, I really want

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<v Speaker 1>her to come to one of our dinners. Like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like obsessed fan girl of hers. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>get her email? Not sure? Amy? But you know I

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<v Speaker 1>can find it because I can find anyone's email. I

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<v Speaker 1>have her email. Maybe I'll hear with you. Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're so sweet. Look how generous Amy emails and is

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I am like open source, open source

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<v Speaker 1>is my motto about networking. Be open source with your networks.

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<v Speaker 1>But Amy and I are open source, of course, But

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<v Speaker 1>like I feel like and this just like goes into

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation about networking, which is probably an unlikely place

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<v Speaker 1>to take the taking into interview. But I do think

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<v Speaker 1>like you and I are two of the best networkers

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and part of it is because we are

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<v Speaker 1>generous with our introductions, but we're also smart with them, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I just want to share one or two tips

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<v Speaker 1>about smartly introducing people. One way to smartly introduce people

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<v Speaker 1>is to introduce people that you know. They're sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a mutually beneficial reason that you are introducing these two people.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, for example, I know if Amy's introducing me

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<v Speaker 1>to someone, and even if for that person at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>there's probably a reason Amy wants me to know that person,

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<v Speaker 1>and that person is someone who will probably reappear in

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<v Speaker 1>my life in various ways. Professionally. I think that sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>people make the mistake of introducing someone to someone just

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<v Speaker 1>as a favorite to them with no benefit to the

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<v Speaker 1>other person. And I think that when you do a

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<v Speaker 1>cold intro like that, there has to be a benefit

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<v Speaker 1>to both people. I think that's right, And I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to bring up the point that, like, we know

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<v Speaker 1>each other because somebody introduced us, who thought we should

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<v Speaker 1>know each other because we were both starting companies at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. So Rachel Star introduced us, not because

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<v Speaker 1>I asked to know you or you asked to know me,

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<v Speaker 1>but because she said, these two people need to know

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<v Speaker 1>each other. One thing that you and I will probably

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<v Speaker 1>always disagree on is the double opt in intro. We're

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<v Speaker 1>always going to disagree on. It drives me crazy when

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<v Speaker 1>people write me or call me to ask if they

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<v Speaker 1>can introduce me to someone, because if you're someone I trust,

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<v Speaker 1>you have an open invitation to introduce me to someone.

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<v Speaker 1>How I follow up with that is my own thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But you never have to ask me and then ask them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's like two weeks before you've introduced us, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>just do it fast and move on. Well, okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>this is so, this is the issue, right, is that

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<v Speaker 1>like I do not have inbox zero, I am can

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<v Speaker 1>never get to inbox zero. By the way, Amy, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry one of the reasons for friends because you've never

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned in box zero. People who mentioned their inboxes are

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<v Speaker 1>people that I would like to stay away from me. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I have an issue with my inbox. This is why

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<v Speaker 1>we don't talk about it. Like, as you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no way I respond to every email, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like an asshole if someone sends an introduction and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see it, you know, and and that person

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not responding to might not know that I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>not seeing the email, or that I'm buried or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and so. And the other thing is I think I

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<v Speaker 1>probably feel this way because the biggest area of my

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<v Speaker 1>life where I get asked for connections is two vcs.

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<v Speaker 1>In vcs always want double opt in intos. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not in the startup world, the VC as the

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<v Speaker 1>venture capital investor, and the startup world is small, and

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<v Speaker 1>I am always happy to try to connect people, but

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<v Speaker 1>some investors are pretty pesky about wanting the double optum.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess also right now I'm very anti VC. They

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<v Speaker 1>fund so few women and I just feel so like

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<v Speaker 1>bitter about it and a little bit burned by vcs

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of sorry I ever really took that route.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just I don't want to based on any

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<v Speaker 1>of our behavior on how vcs behave, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>vcs are patterned on a certain class of men who

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<v Speaker 1>aren't open source. Like I always think it's so funny

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<v Speaker 1>when you see a venture capitalist on LinkedIn and they

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<v Speaker 1>say they care so much about diversity and getting pitches

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<v Speaker 1>from everyone, and then you go to their LinkedIn and

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<v Speaker 1>try to connect with them and it says you need

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<v Speaker 1>their email address to connect with them, but I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>interested in everyone's pitches. Like that, to me is the

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<v Speaker 1>epitome of bad VC behavior. Anyway, let's go to take

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a much more pleasant topic. I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Take is far more pleasant than talking about investors. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, oh my god, Amy, how she talks

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<v Speaker 1>about parenting is the funniest thing. It is amazing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>she is like a big kid at heart raising kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like delightful. Well she just has that you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>hilariously like kind of third person perspective on all of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it seems like being her partner would be super

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<v Speaker 1>fund like I'm infringing on her partnership or anything. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a really weird namous I'm not like auditioning for the role.

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<v Speaker 1>She seems really happily married and I'm super happy for her.

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