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Speaker 1: Coolso media, welcome to it could happen here, a podcast

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Speaker 1: about it happening here and here this week is Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. I'm here in town with Sophie Lichterman,

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Speaker 1: who will not be on MIC for this episode but

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Speaker 1: will be later this week. And Garrison Davis Hello, with

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Speaker 1: whom I've been out all day in the streets.

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Speaker 2: We are currently recording just a few blocks away from

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Speaker 2: the DNC protest, the Coalition to.

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Speaker 3: March down on the Corn out in the street, So.

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Speaker 2: We apologize for whatever sounds are getting picked up. Today's

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Speaker 2: been very hectic. There's been protests all day that me

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Speaker 2: and Robert have been at and that's mostly what we're

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Speaker 2: gonna be talking about you today.

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Speaker 3: So this is day one of the DNC.

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Speaker 1: We actually have not yet been inside the venue, although

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Speaker 1: we will be later for the speeches. Today has basically

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Speaker 1: all been protests. So at the start of the day

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Speaker 1: I went to the kind of temporary headquarters out of

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Speaker 1: like a rental space, and I think north Shire, Cagot.

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Speaker 1: Don't quote me on the exact chunk of town. I'm

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Speaker 1: bad at directions, but organizations called behind enemy lines and

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Speaker 1: it's a local they call themselves a militant activist group.

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Speaker 1: That has been kind of controversial because they have made

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Speaker 1: a couple of statements about something. So what was the

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Speaker 1: rhyme nineteen sixty eight was.

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Speaker 2: That the slogan they've been using is make it great,

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Speaker 2: like sixty eight.

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Speaker 1: Make it great, because nineteen sixty eight was a famously

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Speaker 1: bloody DNC as a result of the conflict over McGovern

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Speaker 1: versus Hubert Humphrey. And this is not so far very

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Speaker 1: much like sixty eight because everyone's known who the candidates

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Speaker 1: are going to be going into this thing, and the

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Speaker 1: protest today, at least by the time we left, no

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Speaker 1: serious violence. You know, I didn't want to talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about that group because they've made some interesting

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Speaker 1: statements and this is not their march today. The march

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Speaker 1: today that we were at is specifically billed as the

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Speaker 1: family friendly one, whereas behind enemy Lines has made a

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Speaker 1: couple of statements of like, you know, collect bruises from

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Speaker 1: the Chicago police. It's the new fall fashion, that sort

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Speaker 1: of deal. So they're really playing up the hole. There's

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Speaker 1: going to be a big conflict thing. If that happens,

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Speaker 1: it'll be tomorrow because that's when their event is planned

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Speaker 1: today was the event that everyone thought was going to

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Speaker 1: be the largest march probably will be.

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Speaker 2: It's called the March on the DNC twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's put together by a coalition of a lot of

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Speaker 2: like local different organs in Chicago as well as some

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Speaker 2: once from around the country.

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Speaker 1: So heading into this, when organizers were asked, they said

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Speaker 1: they were expecting thirty to forty thousand. I saw a

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Speaker 1: video by I think a CNN guy where he was like,

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand people could show up. That's not the numbers

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Speaker 1: we've seen. I would say two to three thousand, maybe

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Speaker 1: five the most, maybe five k kind of on the

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Speaker 1: outside end. One of the organizers on the mic said

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Speaker 1: that they had fifteen k there. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: was fifteen thousand people. I will say there's more protesters

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Speaker 1: than cops, but it is closer to parody in terms

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Speaker 1: of numbers than you normally get. The Chicago police have

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Speaker 1: been lining every block for several blocks around the protest

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Speaker 1: lines and lines of police vans, some of them fold

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Speaker 1: with riot teams, some of them clearly for potential arrestees.

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Speaker 1: Every time the protests moved. They started in Union Park

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Speaker 1: and moved towards what was the number.

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Speaker 2: Of the park number five seven eight.

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Speaker 3: Five to seven eight sounds like a fucking half life two.

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Speaker 2: Which is the park that Chicago and DNC is wanting

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Speaker 2: most of the protests to take place at. Protesters, at

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Speaker 2: least these pig coalitions have preferred to use Union Park

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Speaker 2: as it's bigger. But in this very moment, we just

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Speaker 2: walked over from PARC five seven eight, where people are

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Speaker 2: currently lined up in front of the fence.

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Speaker 1: I would say it was a very controlled event. It's

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Speaker 1: possible something's happened since we've left, or will happen later,

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Speaker 1: especially people try to occupy the park, But from what

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Speaker 1: happened while we were there, there was a group of

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Speaker 1: a protest safety team who we're all wearing Hives vests

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Speaker 1: that the entire line of march. The march itself was

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Speaker 1: hmm done on two sides by lines of bike cops

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Speaker 1: people in Hiva's vests who when folks tried to confront

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Speaker 1: Some groups of people tried to confront that tried to

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Speaker 1: to the police, which caused some conflict and some soreness

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Speaker 1: among people. But as of the time we left like

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Speaker 1: nothing else had really happened.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Future Gear here cutting in from the middle of

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Speaker 2: the DNC where I was just suffering through the Hillary

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Speaker 2: Clinton speech, and I'm here to tell you that more

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Speaker 2: in fact did happen, and things actually did get a

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Speaker 2: little bit more spicy. But you will hear about that

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Speaker 2: a little bit later on in the episode. Anyway, back

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Speaker 2: to us sitting on a random Chicago street corner. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: among the five thousand people, there's a lot of like

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Speaker 2: smaller groups. You know, you will have a few hundreds

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Speaker 2: of people from this organization, this organization, and it's a

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Speaker 2: lot of regular people who are both against the genocide

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Speaker 2: in Palestine. They do not believe that either political party

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Speaker 2: is going to put an effort to actually achieve that,

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Speaker 2: and they, you know, put most of the blame for

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Speaker 1: And I would say that's the vast majority. I did

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Speaker 1: run into some people wearing like DNC Kamala shirts that

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Speaker 1: my understanding was they were kind of here to get

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Speaker 1: the vibe. And yeah, it was definitely a lot of

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Speaker 1: hostility towards the DNC, so I guess would be not

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Speaker 1: a positive reaction. There a couple of different communist organizations.

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Speaker 2: Here, including five I've never heard of before.

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Speaker 1: Yes, almost none of them, but RevCom was there, which

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Speaker 1: is a fun one that's essentially a cult PSL.

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Speaker 3: A few other PSLs.

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Speaker 1: There also, kind of on the coltiest side of things,

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Speaker 3: Highlights.

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Speaker 1: We did meet a lot of nice people out there,

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Speaker 1: a lot of fans of the show. I was happy

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Speaker 1: to see that they were not with the Popovacchi and crew.

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Speaker 3: Everyone was very nice.

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Speaker 1: I hope we weren't too Kurt, which is kind of

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Speaker 1: exhausted and I've been talking to folks all day.

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Speaker 2: I was able to geolocate enemy of the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Jack Posobic. Yes, yes he was in quote unquote Camo.

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Speaker 1: He was just wearing a green shirt and a kefia

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Speaker 1: around his face, trying to interview people. I ran up

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Speaker 1: asked him about an event from twenty seventeen where he

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Speaker 1: showed up at a protest undercover as an ANTIFA with

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Speaker 1: a sign that said rape Milania. BuzzFeed immediately published text

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Speaker 1: messages of him essentially talking to a friend about like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think this would be a great idea. We need

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Speaker 1: to get somebody in there with this fucked up sign.

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Speaker 1: So I asked him about it. He didn't want to answer,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it was a great content day for Jack.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see. Maybe this will be what causes him

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Speaker 1: to blow up. We're going to do some ads and

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Speaker 1: we're going to come back and talk about some of

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Speaker 1: our highlights, what we expect from the week ahead and

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Speaker 1: the great city of Chicago, and we're back. Garrison are

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Speaker 1: you aware because we're in Chicago. But the south side

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Speaker 1: of this very city is, according to many, the baddest

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Speaker 3: And if you go down there.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just telling you, if you go to the

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Speaker 1: south side of Chicago, you need to be aware of

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Speaker 1: a man called Leroy.

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Speaker 3: B I knew it, bad, bad Leroy. But he's the

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Speaker 3: baddest man in the whole damn town here.

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Speaker 2: I knew it.

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Speaker 3: I knew it batter than old King Kong. He's meaner

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Speaker 3: than a junkyard dog.

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Speaker 2: I'm not looking at my fucking notes, all right, Okay, great.

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Speaker 2: As Robert was checking out this office for this other

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Speaker 2: group planning a protest at the Israeli Conslitch tomorrow, I

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Speaker 2: got to the Union Park protest early, was able to

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Speaker 2: walk around, got a whole bunch of flyers for communist

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Speaker 2: magazines that I again have never heard of, And you

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Speaker 2: don't need to seek them out either. They will walk

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Speaker 1: A whole book by Caleb Mappin, who is a luite communist,

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Speaker 1: which is like it's like the it's like the foil

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Speaker 1: Charizard Communist, like you're really yeah, it's beautiful stuff.

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Speaker 2: And then we had like three hours of speeches before

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Speaker 2: of this is about Palestine, there also is some like

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Speaker 2: intersectionality with a few other things. You know, there's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of LGBTQ stuff, a lot of trans a lot of

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Speaker 2: Obviously, a lot of abortion rights and stuff that is

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Speaker 2: one of abortion rights that has become a recurring, recurring

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's one of the groups of counter protesters

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Speaker 1: because trans people might get aborted, which was a fascinating

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Speaker 2: An amazing chant both like abortion is able, lest abortions transphobic,

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Speaker 2: abortion is racist. You know, all of all the things

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Speaker 2: and what.

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Speaker 1: I'll say, so you know, obviously you and I have

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Speaker 1: both expressed either of us really like it when at

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Speaker 1: was every time someone like the Progressives against abortion or

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Speaker 1: whoever would show up, there was a one literal fascist

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Speaker 1: lady who I was definitely unwell with like a cardboard

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Speaker 1: sign covered in racial slurs. They would just get a

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Speaker 1: team to kind of wall them off with their bodies

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Speaker 1: and it kept them from becoming like media were not

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Speaker 1: focused around the folks coming into disrep stuff like they

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Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoon, where as soon as those anti abortion

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Speaker 1: will be a conflict.

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Speaker 2: I think walling off groups like that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: I dare get effective way to do it.

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Speaker 2: I do get very hesitant and a little bit on

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Speaker 2: my toes whenever they start walling off people in the

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Speaker 2: crowd who are actual participants, who are just doing something

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Speaker 2: that people in haives vests don't like. Yes, and when

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Speaker 1: So you know, the highlight to me of today again,

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Speaker 2: Among all these big like socialist communist newspaper organizations.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, late and hungover, don't you forget hungover?

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Speaker 1: And there were also there's some people who, I you

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Speaker 2: Just like today. You know, there was there was PSL People.

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Speaker 2: There was there was this one other socialist group who

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Speaker 2: Similar today. You know, there were some people who showed

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Speaker 2: just the sheer number of Chicago PD was just stifling.

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Speaker 1: This is very different from the rn C almost I

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Speaker 1: would say ninety five percent of the law enforcement we've

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Speaker 1: seen have been Chicago and Illinois cops.

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Speaker 2: Yes, actual local police, as opposed to the RNC, where

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Speaker 2: there's a majority like out of state police. Yes yesterday

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Speaker 2: did not have tons of medics today did. That's not unsurprising.

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Speaker 1: Everyone was expecting today to be the biggest day and

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Speaker 1: it probably will turn.

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Speaker 2: Out to be, yes But like I said, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean even yesterday at the very first one, they still

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Speaker 2: they saw one thousand people. They were really really tying

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Speaker 2: as much as they could into the reproductive rights issue. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we saw, we saw pussy hats, we saw you know,

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Speaker 2: all of all that kind of stuff. And one of

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Speaker 2: the funniest things from yesterday and we saw some of

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Speaker 2: it today too, is that with all these different communist newspapers,

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Speaker 2: they were like competing, they were competing to be the

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Speaker 2: ones that have like the true path to the revolution,

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Speaker 2: like handing out flyers to go pamphlets and be like, no,

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Speaker 2: this is we we we're the ones that haven't figured out,

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Speaker 2: and you have like seven of these groups going after

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Speaker 2: this saint like the same person.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I felt very good when Jack wound up stumbling

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Speaker 1: into one of those guys because I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: he is going to bore the hell out of Jack bisobic,

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Speaker 1: but he's clearly he's also like has enough talking points

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Speaker 1: that they're just kind of be going to be running

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Speaker 1: talking points at each other, which is good. I always

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Speaker 1: get worried when some one like Jack shows up that

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Speaker 1: they're going to find either some like nice, normal person

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Speaker 1: who's not ready to be on camera, or you know.

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Speaker 3: Somebody who's especially protests like this.

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Speaker 1: She often I'm like an old guy who's an anti

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Speaker 1: circumsition activist just shows up to every protest and he's

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Speaker 1: like kind of harmless kook, and they get made fun

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Speaker 1: of a lot. So I'm always happy to see when

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Speaker 1: an asshole shows up and gets confronted by someone who

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Speaker 1: is just ready to sit in there and talk for hours.

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Speaker 2: And you know, similar to today, there was a small

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Speaker 2: collection quote unquote like progressive anti abortion activists that showed up.

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Speaker 2: They kept mostly to the side of the crowd, largely

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Speaker 2: ignored them. But one thing I did like is that

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Speaker 2: there was people in the crowd caring around signs about

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Speaker 2: like abortion pill instructions like how to use one, where

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Speaker 2: to get one, and that was that was that was

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Speaker 2: very nice to see. And similar to today as well,

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Speaker 2: there was a few like DNC volunteers walking through the crowd,

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Speaker 2: either because they actually do agree with these issues or

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Speaker 2: just because they're like just because like they're curious. Who

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Speaker 2: knows what I mean. Obviously they're still you know, probably

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Speaker 2: more Proherris and most people in the crowd, but they

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Speaker 2: still might you know, nominally care about these issues. But

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Speaker 2: yesterday they got booed, well walking through the crowd. The

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Speaker 2: crowd was was was not was not happy to have them,

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Speaker 2: specifically the people from behind enemy lines. We're giving out

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Speaker 2: most of the booze. Referring to the protest tomorrow at

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Speaker 2: the Israeli Consulate at seven pm, that's Tuesday, they said

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Speaker 2: that they're gonna be the group that quote unquote brings

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Speaker 2: the ruckus, and that is the vibe that they have.

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Speaker 2: I think that is probably that's gonna be maybe one

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Speaker 2: of the more like conflictual protests, yes that we're gonna

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Speaker 2: see this week tomorrow on that's that's too out doubt.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well we will be there on Tuesday to

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Speaker 2: see what goes down there. I'm about to walk into

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Speaker 2: the DNC to hear Old Sleepy Joe. We're taking bets

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Speaker 2: to see if he has a stroke on stage. One

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Speaker 2: thing that people have been able to use a lot

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Speaker 2: and that is, you know, a very real and valid

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Speaker 2: issue is that just last week, the government, including you know,

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Speaker 2: the Biden Harris administration as well as Congress, proved a

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Speaker 2: twenty billion dollar arms deal to Israel. We know how

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Speaker 2: they're using these weapons. As many meetings that Kam's going

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Speaker 2: to take about, you know, in arms embargo. At least

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Speaker 2: currently we are still sending over We're doing the opposite,

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Speaker 2: which is what most people gathered here are concerned about.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's great to see people talking about abortion

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Speaker 2: and LGBTQ stuff, you know, all the other reasons that

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Speaker 2: the US is doing things that are bad. But you know,

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Speaker 2: when it comes to like talking to like the Democrats

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Speaker 2: at the DNC right that the Democrats are pro abortion.

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Speaker 2: They are, they are nominally pro these things. Pressuring on

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Speaker 2: the Palestinian stuff is going to be probably the biggest

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Speaker 2: thing as expected.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in these next few days.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see how that goes. We'll be back tomorrow

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Speaker 1: and the rest of the week. From the DNC. This

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