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Speaker 1: NEWI scrugs. Here we are, Hey everybody, It's Monday here
Speaker 1: Ota Monday for the Cowboys at the Star. They Bury Church. Yes,
Speaker 1: indeed we see we got the they got they got
Speaker 1: little things set up. They get ready to go here.
Speaker 1: But yes, yes, church Church was on time, on time.
Speaker 1: I was the first one here to find me. Give
Speaker 1: me the Tom Cofflin here. That's gonna be a lot.
Speaker 1: It may cost you a lot, but that Tom Coflin
Speaker 1: he gonna come through with it. Or maybe I'll be
Speaker 1: like Dalta Chelsea may start with suiting in coming in right, right, right, players,
Speaker 1: you're gonna do half the the There's another week of
Speaker 1: OTA stands for the Organized Team Activities aka the Voluntary
Speaker 1: slash Man. Dalton Schultz is on a franchise tag. So
Speaker 1: according to the NFL Network and um Calvin Watkins of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Wanting News, John mac Children, the athletics just
Speaker 1: a couple of people are also reporting it as well.
Speaker 1: So Schultz is not coming into this week's OTAs because
Speaker 1: he does not have a contract. He's upset with the
Speaker 1: talks right now. Though he did say earlier I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let my agent handle it. I guess now he's not
Speaker 1: happy with days to handle right. Agent doing enough here,
Speaker 1: So so he's not coming in. Yeah, um, that's his prerogative.
Speaker 1: I hope fans understand this is where you come in
Speaker 1: very safety, that this is not mandintory. Next week is
Speaker 1: man into. Yes, you will get fined if you're not
Speaker 1: at mandatory minicamp. They have the right to find you.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you know. The numbers are on
Speaker 1: those fines, but they can't get steep as the days
Speaker 1: go on. But when we get back to Dalton Shoultz,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't blame him. I don't blame him
Speaker 1: for saying, you know what, I don't have a deal finalized.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go out there and we all
Speaker 1: know risk injury for something that's not guaranteed. I understand
Speaker 1: why wait before I say that is the franchise tad guaranteed,
Speaker 1: like once you signed that franchise. But he had just
Speaker 1: to sign it. Sign it, come look I keep and
Speaker 1: you know Twitter will start hitting it and they'll all
Speaker 1: you people always like to bash the players. You don't
Speaker 1: have to be here. It's voluntary. And it's not like
Speaker 1: Dalton Shoultz is a rookie. You know, this is the
Speaker 1: guy he's going on the offense, not even coordinator here,
Speaker 1: not a new quarterback here. You know what to do,
Speaker 1: you know, And he had an explosive season last year.
Speaker 1: You know, I was the one doubting him. I was
Speaker 1: the one saying, all, he can't do it, but he
Speaker 1: proved me wrong last year. And he was kind of
Speaker 1: that security blanket for Dak Prescott. So it's not like
Speaker 1: he has to be here and don't show. Doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like a guy to me at least I don't know
Speaker 1: him personally, but to me at least, he doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like a guy that goes out there and he's not
Speaker 1: gonna be working out. He's gonna be you know, drinking
Speaker 1: party and all the time and coming in out of shape.
Speaker 1: He knows what, he knows what to stake. This is
Speaker 1: a big year for him. Last year he knew what
Speaker 1: was at staking. Look what happened he had one of
Speaker 1: his best seasons as a pro. So to me, it's
Speaker 1: it's he's gonna come in here, he's gonna be in shape,
Speaker 1: he's gonna know what to do. So to me, missing
Speaker 1: these OTAs and all that stuff, it's not you know,
Speaker 1: it's not a huge deal when it comes to Dunton Show,
Speaker 1: because I think he'll become he'll come back prepared and
Speaker 1: ready to roll. Wants it's mandatory. It's a couple of
Speaker 1: practice in exactly, Okay, exactly, I tell you, man, there
Speaker 1: are days where I can't look at Cowboy Twitter, Cowboy
Speaker 1: Nation Twitter, something like, really, this is the man doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be here. He wants to contract. Now, I'll
Speaker 1: say this, what kind of contract you want? I assume
Speaker 1: he wants to be, you know, one of the top
Speaker 1: five pay tight ends in the league. That's what I
Speaker 1: would assume. So I'm gonna just give you just a
Speaker 1: kind of a barometer here. Okay, David and Juco other
Speaker 1: he just got broke out. But four years, fifty six
Speaker 1: point seventy five million dollars contract, twenty eight million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 1: God though, that's that's that's what that's what like twenty.
Speaker 1: So the other two, you know, guys who got tagged
Speaker 1: like Jissecki down there in Miami and then Dalton Shoults
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. Now are we and this is my
Speaker 1: finger sohol this is why I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know because you name then Joku and gets in Jisecki.
Speaker 1: Those are two guys, well Joker got paid, but they
Speaker 1: haven't been signed. There tagged but han't been time. And
Speaker 1: the difference between to me is between Jisecki and Shultz
Speaker 1: is is basically a wide receiver. You can't split. You
Speaker 1: can't block. These dudes can't. They can't block. And he
Speaker 1: can go out there. You can split him out and
Speaker 1: he can and I think in my opinion, he can
Speaker 1: win those one on ones. Like he can go out there,
Speaker 1: if he's locked up on a corner safety, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: He can go up and get the ball and he
Speaker 1: can do some damage in the passing game. Shultz he
Speaker 1: can do it as well, But I don't think he's
Speaker 1: that level to where he like Ja seki Is. I
Speaker 1: think Shoultz is more of a security blanket. Get you five,
Speaker 1: gets you ten yards, But I don't see him as
Speaker 1: a deep, big threat, deep threat defensives are gonna focus
Speaker 1: it on him, and you gotta make sure you handle
Speaker 1: him first. I don't see him as that type of guy.
Speaker 1: So does that warrant a huge contract? You know? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think he's as dynamic as
Speaker 1: in a Joku, as a jes Seki is, as a kiddo,
Speaker 1: as a as a Kelsey. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: see I see him as maybe a middle of the road,
Speaker 1: tited who is I say him above average. I'll give
Speaker 1: him top maybe top fifteen in the league, top ten.
Speaker 1: So so I'll go back into Blake Jarwin, for instance,
Speaker 1: who was the starter before he got hurt and then
Speaker 1: Schultz got his opportunity took it took before injury, and
Speaker 1: obviously injuries are part of him. Was Schultz better than Jarwin?
Speaker 1: I don't think he was. They basically the same guy.
Speaker 1: He was basically saying because to me, you know, I
Speaker 1: thought Jarwin had a lot of potential. I thought Jarwin
Speaker 1: was gonna come in here and be that, you know,
Speaker 1: be the sceams guy down the scenees deep threat. You
Speaker 1: can split him out and do all that good stuff,
Speaker 1: kind of like a yes, yes, exactly, but he never
Speaker 1: turned into Kelse. He was more of a Gavin Escobar
Speaker 1: um as far as that situation goes. So I say
Speaker 1: Schultz ended up being better than than job in the
Speaker 1: world of economics today. Okay, would it be easier for
Speaker 1: you to get another Schultz type guy in free agency
Speaker 1: for a year and then go into the draft next year?
Speaker 1: I think so with significant savings. When you start to
Speaker 1: think about, Okay, if in Joko is the type of
Speaker 1: contract and you're the agent is trying to get the
Speaker 1: same type of deal, are you really ready to do
Speaker 1: that for a tight end? And are you sure the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and the head coach are going to be
Speaker 1: back here next year? You're not sure about that. You're
Speaker 1: not sure because like there's a lot of pressure on
Speaker 1: a lot of people this year. And if the job's
Speaker 1: not done, that head guy's gonna be out of here
Speaker 1: and the new guy company is gonna probably want a
Speaker 1: new OC and all that did in the offense is
Speaker 1: gonna change. Are they gonna the new OC gonna be
Speaker 1: into a tight end? I mean one of the things exactly.
Speaker 1: And I go back into this about Mike McCarthy and
Speaker 1: I've kind of had this disagreement at times with people
Speaker 1: who get mad about the Zeke contract. I say this,
Speaker 1: Zeke was signed when you had a head coach who
Speaker 1: believed in the running game. Then you go out, you
Speaker 1: hire a head coach who's never been about the running game,
Speaker 1: who's been a passing coach. You're mad at the player.
Speaker 1: He's falling, ain't it ain't the player. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: he might have lost his step, but he's not he's
Speaker 1: not getting opportunities he once was. I mean he was
Speaker 1: getting twenty some carries a game. Now we've seen a
Speaker 1: couple of games this year where he had maybe twelve
Speaker 1: ten years. He's blocking more than he's running the road.
Speaker 1: I go back to this is way, way way old
Speaker 1: school NBA. It's when the Nicks hired Don Nelson to
Speaker 1: be the head coach and Patrick Ewingl was the center.
Speaker 1: That one what Nellie did. Nellie wasn't trying to run
Speaker 1: the office all right down down, That's not what they did.
Speaker 1: Patrick is pounding the ball and goes That's not what
Speaker 1: don Nelson did. So it was not a fit. So
Speaker 1: we have seen depending on who the head coach is,
Speaker 1: it's going to affect players. Zekiel Elliott has not seen
Speaker 1: the kind of carries he did under a Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: Where I mean, you think about Jason Garrett, DeMarco Murray,
Speaker 1: NFL offensive player Belle Kyle Back, you know, won that
Speaker 1: award and then he saw Zeke went in Russian titles.
Speaker 1: That's probably not gonna happen in the Mike McCarthy slash
Speaker 1: Kelly Moore offense, especially when he's also splitting time with
Speaker 1: a Tony Pollo. So are going back here to Shultz
Speaker 1: circling back here? Are you going to make commit to
Speaker 1: the kind of dollars that in Joko did and you
Speaker 1: may not you make who knows where your offense is
Speaker 1: going to be in the year? Yeah? Who know? Because
Speaker 1: we like right now Kelly Moore, he know, he loves
Speaker 1: his you know, tight end sets, his twelve personnel Hill
Speaker 1: sprinkles from Levin in there as well. But to me,
Speaker 1: I see it kind of like I said Wilson. You know,
Speaker 1: we weren't willing to give, said Wilson, that long term
Speaker 1: deal and we wouldn't got a guy in a draft.
Speaker 1: I think we could have done that same thing with shows.
Speaker 1: I don't think, and I could be wrong because I've
Speaker 1: been wrong in the past, But I just don't think
Speaker 1: he's that dynamic of a player to where it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter to scheme he can just ball out. I don't
Speaker 1: think he. I think he's scheme matters when it comes
Speaker 1: to Schultz. Obviously we don't know what the number is
Speaker 1: that Dalton Schultz wants and why he's sitting at the
Speaker 1: OTA say, but obviously he's frustrated by because several reports say, Okay,
Speaker 1: not not enough movement here, I want a long term deal.
Speaker 1: Do you think he is he that player that can
Speaker 1: get a long term deal? Like I can see, like
Speaker 1: if you said, if if everything was in concrete as
Speaker 1: far as coaches are concerned, I can see that. But
Speaker 1: it's so so much independent air right now. McCarthy's, I mean,
Speaker 1: he gotta get the job done or he's more than
Speaker 1: likely gonna be out of here. Okay, I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: you this because you're former safety, so you know what
Speaker 1: it is about. Checking tight ends. Is Dalton Schultz Jimmy
Speaker 1: John's used the word difference maker or is he the
Speaker 1: word that Bill Parcels used to say, Jack just a
Speaker 1: guy meaning I can go find another guy to give
Speaker 1: me similar production. Maybe he's not doing it as well
Speaker 1: as you, but he can get this done. Jimmy. When
Speaker 1: you talk about difference makers, hey, this sky makes a
Speaker 1: difference when we go out on Sundays. This is a
Speaker 1: guy that a coordinator is all right, but here's eighty seven.
Speaker 1: Brady's looking for eighty seven. Here's this red zone. Are
Speaker 1: we talking about that kind of guy? See that. That's
Speaker 1: a tough one because shots. I don't want to disrespect
Speaker 1: him to say he's just another guy because he did
Speaker 1: ball out last year. He had he had a good
Speaker 1: season last year. I think he had about eight touchdowns
Speaker 1: in the red zone and he was kind of that
Speaker 1: security blanket. Like I said, But when you talk about
Speaker 1: difference maker, when you talk about a guy at defenses,
Speaker 1: you go into that meeting on Monday and he's highlighted
Speaker 1: on the board as offensive guys we have gat to
Speaker 1: keep our eye on. Last year, I don't think he
Speaker 1: was that guy that was highlighted. I believe defenses were
Speaker 1: focusing more on a Mauri Cooper, Cede Lamb, Michael Gallop
Speaker 1: out there stopping the run that we wish we would
Speaker 1: have pad. But I think Schultz's Moore four third or
Speaker 1: fourth on that list. Now going into this year, there
Speaker 1: is Noham More Cooper, Michael Gallup. He's going to be
Speaker 1: out for the first couple of games, probably more than likely.
Speaker 1: And now you gotta Ceedee Lamb and Adult and Shoultz
Speaker 1: so he can become one of those guys that are
Speaker 1: highlighted on the defensive board come Monday morning that we
Speaker 1: gotta stop this guy to make this offense become stagnant.
Speaker 1: But as of right now, if we're talking about last
Speaker 1: year and going into this year, I would have to
Speaker 1: lean more towards being a little bit above a jag
Speaker 1: because he made some outstanding plays last year. But like
Speaker 1: I said, I would be shocked if I went into
Speaker 1: one of those defensive meetings and they had Sholts had
Speaker 1: you gotta stop this guy. We don't stop this guy.
Speaker 1: Their their offense is going to explode on you gotta
Speaker 1: have them on there, because if you look at it,
Speaker 1: if you lost the tape last year of the game,
Speaker 1: you know there was linebackers on them. There was you know,
Speaker 1: random safeties here and there on them. There wasn't that
Speaker 1: specific lockdown guy on Sholts, and he took advantage of it.
Speaker 1: I'll give him that he took advantage. So then he's
Speaker 1: not a difference maker. He's not. No, in my opinion
Speaker 1: right now, he's not a different So if you're taking
Speaker 1: that off the table, that's what you're trying, and you're
Speaker 1: talking about franchise tag, long term deal, you're paying difference makers.
Speaker 1: We need to keep this player. I was supprised them,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I'm surprised I didn't have
Speaker 1: an issue with the tag. Now, okay, let's go to
Speaker 1: first off, Let's put the numbers out here. For Carlton
Speaker 1: Schultz played seventeen games last year, had seventy eight catches,
Speaker 1: second on the team. Ceedee Lamb led the team with
Speaker 1: seventy nine catches in sixteen games. Dalton Schultz tied Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper in terms of touchdown leaders the receiver position eight
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns. Okay, so Schultz was there at eight hundred
Speaker 1: and eight yards, that's third on the team. Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: had a thousand, basically eleven hundred yards. Maria Cooper in
Speaker 1: fifteen games had eight hundred and sixty five yards. Shultz
Speaker 1: in seventeen games had eight hundred and eight yards. So
Speaker 1: we're talking about production from a tight end. They got
Speaker 1: production there, but let's be honest as well, when you
Speaker 1: starts looking down the list of who you're trying to stop,
Speaker 1: if you're a defensive coordinator, he wasn't in the top
Speaker 1: three of the cowboys, you know, receiving or even when
Speaker 1: you're adding the run game, and he wasn't. And then
Speaker 1: a lot if you watch it, a lot of the
Speaker 1: times we're in the red zone, they were kind of
Speaker 1: a schemy plays like oh, he's gonna block block release,
Speaker 1: or he's gonna cross the field and try to get
Speaker 1: a pick from somebody. It wasn't like how you look
Speaker 1: at Kelsey, how you look at those guys where they're like,
Speaker 1: all right, split him out there. I don't care who's
Speaker 1: on him. It could be the number one corner on
Speaker 1: him out there. We're gonna do one on one and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it up to my guy and see
Speaker 1: what he can do. I didn't see a lot of
Speaker 1: that from the dumping shows, you know. I saw a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, cross and he got picked out
Speaker 1: here and there maybe a tight end screen and he
Speaker 1: was able to make a couple of guys missing getting
Speaker 1: the end zone, which is still a good thing. But
Speaker 1: to me, if you're talking about paying a man top dollar,
Speaker 1: he's got to be dynamic enough to where you're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, you know, I don't care who's on you
Speaker 1: on the outside, You're gonna go out there. You're gonna
Speaker 1: win your one on one battles. And I just didn't
Speaker 1: see that. And so there's there in lies the where's
Speaker 1: the age and we don't know yet, but where's the
Speaker 1: age coming from? Or what is he looking for? And
Speaker 1: what is what is the team saying okay, this is
Speaker 1: what's one worked for us. That's the challenge. But obviously
Speaker 1: right now by schultzet deciding okay, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: come to OTAs this week, I'm frustrated. That's not It's
Speaker 1: all right too, because like you said, it's voluntary, it's
Speaker 1: not it's not uncommon. We saw Zach Martin do the
Speaker 1: that's just something we've seen happen before. I have no
Speaker 1: issues with that. It's just about where where is the
Speaker 1: right spot for the number and joke who's number? We
Speaker 1: kind of look at that and just say, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. And I mean the joke was dynamic,
Speaker 1: but they got a guy underneath him, and who's who's
Speaker 1: pretty good as well. So I was also surprised on
Speaker 1: that one. So let me give you a number within
Speaker 1: the division. Dallas Goddard of Philadelphia four years, fifty seven
Speaker 1: million dollars, which included a ten point two million dollars
Speaker 1: signing bonus um and thirty five million dollars gar average
Speaker 1: salary of fourteen point two million dollars. Dallas Goddard is
Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, and this year he'll um he's
Speaker 1: got cat number four point two mills. But I just look,
Speaker 1: I look at him, and I just say, it's a
Speaker 1: good player. He's not a difference maker. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: say he's not, I mean a good player. So are
Speaker 1: you prepared to give Schultz a four year deal in
Speaker 1: the fifty seven million dollars range and giving him, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty five or twenty million dollars? I mean, this is
Speaker 1: where you're sitting at here, man, this is the number
Speaker 1: and that you could say, NEWI, this is the price
Speaker 1: of doing business right now for tight ends. Do you
Speaker 1: want to pay that to me? Personally? You know, if
Speaker 1: you look, if I'm the GM of the Cowboys, I'm
Speaker 1: in Will's position, I'm in you know, Jerry's position. I
Speaker 1: just don't. I wouldn't do it. And the reason I
Speaker 1: say that is because I feel like you can find
Speaker 1: that in the draft, or you can you can find
Speaker 1: you can get a one year tight end to come
Speaker 1: in here and do with Dalton Schultz has been able
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, I maybe if he was more,
Speaker 1: if he had a couple of years back to back
Speaker 1: where he was putting up eight hundred yards and eight
Speaker 1: touchdown and we've seen it, but this year is going
Speaker 1: to be a big barometer for him. If he's able
Speaker 1: to go out there once again and display the ability
Speaker 1: that he was able to do last year, then maybe
Speaker 1: we come back to the table when we think about this.
Speaker 1: But I got to see more than just one year,
Speaker 1: and he had so much talent around him in that
Speaker 1: one year to where he was able to exploit the
Speaker 1: third or fifth you know option defensively to guard him.
Speaker 1: He was able to exploit that. So if he's able
Speaker 1: to come out here and do that those numbers again
Speaker 1: this year with just basically Ceedee Lamb and Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: coming off a cl and then you got a rookie,
Speaker 1: you know, Jayalen Tolbert out there as well. A lot
Speaker 1: of the pressure will be on shows to go out
Speaker 1: there and do what he does. So if he's able
Speaker 1: to do that next year, I could see them maybe
Speaker 1: coming back to the table. I'm a big fan of
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews, going back to when he was in Oklahoma
Speaker 1: catching pastors, Baker Mayfield. He's there in Baltimore right now,
Speaker 1: pro Bowl type player. Four years, fifty six million dollar
Speaker 1: contract he got with the Ravens, thirty eight million, thirty
Speaker 1: seven point five million guaranteed. So if Schultz is looking
Speaker 1: for this kind of number, and this is where people
Speaker 1: like Mark Andrews or Mike said Mike but the Dallas
Speaker 1: got it or at Man, that's gonna be, that's gonna be,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's I don't see them doing that based
Speaker 1: on just how Look they had issues paying Mark Cooper
Speaker 1: twenty million. Yeah, and here's a guy who's been a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl player. I don't know how they're gonna get
Speaker 1: to this. I don't mean with with him with Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 1: So I think this this guy just may be frustrated. Here, Uh,
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey four years fifty seven million dollars contract, twenty
Speaker 1: two million guarantee, sir, and he signed his a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, fifty some round. Is he is? He?
Speaker 1: Is he that? You know? That's the thing I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't kind of grasp my mind around because I
Speaker 1: look out there and I see what he's able to
Speaker 1: do on the football field, and I just see him
Speaker 1: as a he'd have to prove it. Yes, he would
Speaker 1: have to go out to improve it. Again, go go,
Speaker 1: this is this is what this was. The franchise tag is.
Speaker 1: If you ask to Marcus Lawrence to play on it,
Speaker 1: who had Dak Prescott play on it exactly? Sorry, buddy,
Speaker 1: you gotta do it. I know you had a hell
Speaker 1: of a season last year, but this is how to
Speaker 1: game where we've had guys who've made the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: play exactly exactly. So you can't you know, he can't
Speaker 1: expect Why am I not getting paid? All these guys
Speaker 1: had to go through it. You can't expect to be different,
Speaker 1: especially when those guys like you mentioned Pro Bowl players,
Speaker 1: all Pro players still had to play on the tag.
Speaker 1: Guys who are in the premier positions in the league
Speaker 1: to get paid. We're talking about d ND quarterback. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is we can't talk about tight end. Now, this
Speaker 1: is just right there. If Dak had to do it,
Speaker 1: if Tank had to do it, Sorry buddy, you gotta
Speaker 1: do it, Sorry buddy. It is what it is. It
Speaker 1: is what it is. So we're talking about Mica or
Speaker 1: something that that's a different story, because I mean, that
Speaker 1: guy has already proven to be one of the top
Speaker 1: defenders in the National Football League. Speaking of Michael Parsons,
Speaker 1: let's take a break here on on the Players Labs
Speaker 1: will dive into Michael Parsons and his thoughts on rookie
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith and also his thoughts on Tank Lawrence. Get
Speaker 1: into that and we'll remember, um, what are the good
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Speaker 1: who is sensational last year unanimous Rookie of the Year
Speaker 1: and fantastic job by Dan Quinn and figuring out how
Speaker 1: to use him. So Parsons, Okay, So he's I got
Speaker 1: to stand up because I start talk about Michael Parson
Speaker 1: back juice I mean get he gives you that vibe.
Speaker 1: He gives you that vibe. I'm not saying he is okay, okay,
Speaker 1: But luckily in my career I got to be around
Speaker 1: Junior say out who I was living in southern California
Speaker 1: and he just talked about a guy who's got that juice,
Speaker 1: who's got that that that swagger about Michael Parsons has
Speaker 1: Junior say out like swacker and out there on the
Speaker 1: field coming at you from different areas, just wants to
Speaker 1: be good and just he's got a lot of that.
Speaker 1: Not saying it is, but having been around Junior, you
Speaker 1: just say, man, yeah, I wish Junior was alive today
Speaker 1: because I would love to ask you, Junior, do you
Speaker 1: see some of Michael Parsons in you? That's huge right
Speaker 1: there And I can see where you say that because
Speaker 1: this guy, like for a guy that's young, because I
Speaker 1: forget people, I think people get how young he is
Speaker 1: coming into this league. For him to have the mindset
Speaker 1: that he has, it's spectacular. He's not worried about none
Speaker 1: of the off field and all this the money that
Speaker 1: the money that you know, I'm about this, I'm about
Speaker 1: He's not worried about none of that. All he wants
Speaker 1: to do is get on the field, whether it's practice
Speaker 1: or on Sundays, and be the best player on the field.
Speaker 1: And to me, that's to be that young and that
Speaker 1: dedicated to the game. I mean, he is a he
Speaker 1: is an extremely bright future. Can I say this? And
Speaker 1: I don't think we talk about it. Uh, This dude
Speaker 1: didn't play the year before. He didn't play football, He
Speaker 1: didn't play college football. And then the guy comes to
Speaker 1: the league and does this positions. What will he do? Now?
Speaker 1: You know the first having played Barry Church, The biggest
Speaker 1: jump in a player's career is from here one a
Speaker 1: year two. Now your body knows what to do. You
Speaker 1: know what you understand? All right? I need to get
Speaker 1: here and there? And then the coaches, the good coaches
Speaker 1: haven't understanding. This is what the player can do and
Speaker 1: this is the expectations where he wanted to be. If
Speaker 1: he stays healthy. Oh sky's the limit, man, if he
Speaker 1: stays because you know and and I look at you
Speaker 1: know what Dwear and him, those guys were able to
Speaker 1: do and dare Paul of Fame caliber player. He is
Speaker 1: great off the edge. He got some of that d
Speaker 1: Wearing him, but he can also stand up and be
Speaker 1: you know, sideline and sideline linebacker, combination of Dwear Von Miller.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's unprecedented, and he was able to that
Speaker 1: as a rookie. Like knowing your playbook alone as a
Speaker 1: rookie is an accomplishment in his own but being able
Speaker 1: to learn two different positions and be that high level
Speaker 1: of a player as a rookie not even playing the
Speaker 1: year before in the National Football League, where I don't
Speaker 1: care what you say, the speed is different. I don't
Speaker 1: care if you're playing a SEC big ten, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: The speed is a hell of a lot different than
Speaker 1: the National Football Leading is a college and for him
Speaker 1: to just jump on that from game one, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's remarkable what he's been able to do so far.
Speaker 1: So take Lawrence met with the media early on and
Speaker 1: OTAs the first week and said, hey man, you know,
Speaker 1: rookie showed me up and I'm healthy. I want to
Speaker 1: get I need to get the sack, the sack number back,
Speaker 1: meaning leading the team in sacks. So Michael Parsons was
Speaker 1: asked about what tak Lawrence had to say, and here
Speaker 1: is what Micah Parsons told the media. I want d
Speaker 1: Law to step up. I want him to be who
Speaker 1: he is. I'm not taking that away from her, but
Speaker 1: started telling me he's never getting that bad life. You know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna he gotta enjoy it. I want him to
Speaker 1: get all the enjoyment that he possibly can feed his head.
Speaker 1: So he could be a ten SAT guy. Great, But
Speaker 1: if tens the number, I'm going for twenty, you know,
Speaker 1: you just gotta just go out there and compete, and
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be a race to the quarterback, you know,
Speaker 1: like it or not. So I'm excited. Hey, Pops, I
Speaker 1: appreciate what you've done before you've got here. It's really
Speaker 1: good and I have a lot of respects for it.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm I'm the captain. Look at me, Look
Speaker 1: at me. I am the captain. Now it's my record.
Speaker 1: Now you could be number or Larry Byrd said at
Speaker 1: three point content, all right, who's coming in second? Because
Speaker 1: I'm here? Because I mean, and look, the guy's been
Speaker 1: backing it up like he has a lot of bravado
Speaker 1: and he likes the top. But the guy's been out
Speaker 1: there backing it up. And when you put up numbers
Speaker 1: like he has it's gonna be a race to the quarterback.
Speaker 1: And he like he said, you know, if Lelaw wants
Speaker 1: to be a ten SAT guy, I'm gonna be a
Speaker 1: twenty SAT guy. He's never getting that back. But to me,
Speaker 1: it's like when the last time didn't the Law led
Speaker 1: this team in sacks. I don't know, but I just
Speaker 1: felt we had Quinn for a little bit. I want
Speaker 1: you to step up. That that was the part that
Speaker 1: had like you free to help me out. That was
Speaker 1: a little jab, a little bit step up. But he
Speaker 1: was he lied, Thank you. I don't think I detected
Speaker 1: no lies. I mean, look, let's be honest. Okay, you
Speaker 1: know I've been on this one for a minute. Lawrence's signed,
Speaker 1: the money has not put up the numbers, and you
Speaker 1: can talk about old pro football focus and rushing and
Speaker 1: stopping the run. No, no, no, you got paid to
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. That's what you get paid for.
Speaker 1: I don't care what the pass rush win raided all
Speaker 1: this I throw out there where you were against the run. No, um,
Speaker 1: you got paid to get to the quarterback. Just as
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs is going to ask for a monster contract
Speaker 1: because he takes the ball, that is that that is
Speaker 1: what they do with the National Fall League. It's where
Speaker 1: you base the contracts off of. If I'm the agent,
Speaker 1: I'm like, look how any quarterback sacks he had? Getting
Speaker 1: to the quarterback is what matters. That's all that matters.
Speaker 1: That's what that's what you're paying defensive players to do.
Speaker 1: The best ones can you either sack the quarterback or
Speaker 1: intercept the quarterback. Those that's why they're making the most
Speaker 1: money on exactly. And I can see if this was
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety where they ran the ball hunted times and
Speaker 1: this guy was great against the run. But we're in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two right now, and we all know that
Speaker 1: the past, it's a past happy league. I mean, eleven
Speaker 1: personnel has dominated the more ports of if each and
Speaker 1: every offense out there, everybody's an eleven personnel to start
Speaker 1: with out with, So what matters most is not stopping
Speaker 1: the run, is getting out to these quarterbacks and the
Speaker 1: law like like like my man Parsons said, you gotta
Speaker 1: step it up. I'll even go and say this, what's
Speaker 1: impressive about Parsons getting thirteen sacks as a rookie and
Speaker 1: anyone who can get to the quarterback like an Aaron Donald.
Speaker 1: You have more of these quick passing games, three step drives.
Speaker 1: So guys know, all right, I can't hold this ball
Speaker 1: longer too long because hit comes Donald, come, here comes Parsons.
Speaker 1: They know it's coming. So you gotta go ahead and
Speaker 1: get rid of this thing quick. They they they haven't
Speaker 1: understanding what they gotta do. Look, Justin Herbert is one
Speaker 1: of the special quarterbacks in this league. He was getting
Speaker 1: to him and they knew, all right, but we gotta
Speaker 1: we gotta cut cut down. And so if Justin is
Speaker 1: not taking a five I mean, if he's taking a
Speaker 1: five step drafted, he's gonna have the opportunity to take
Speaker 1: that cannon arm he's got and throw down thought down
Speaker 1: the fields right and hit a kennyan ally. But when
Speaker 1: you've got you got Mike out there, you now and
Speaker 1: set of five, you may have to cut it to three.
Speaker 1: Or if you take the five, understand it could be
Speaker 1: could you could get got and and that's and that's
Speaker 1: to me is what Mark's a great defensive player when
Speaker 1: offenses have to change their whole mentality or their whole
Speaker 1: approach to the game. Man, we want to attack this
Speaker 1: defense deep. We want to be able to attack their secondary.
Speaker 1: But man, that got off the edge, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: give us an opportunity too. So we gotta switch it up.
Speaker 1: We gotta go to bubble screens, we gotta go to
Speaker 1: play action and get three step drops and get the
Speaker 1: ball out quick. Because when you got a superstar, when
Speaker 1: you got a guy like Michael Parsons on the outside,
Speaker 1: you can't have the can't hold the ball that long.
Speaker 1: And to me, that that's what mark's a great player
Speaker 1: when the offense has to switch up their whole mentality
Speaker 1: in order to stay away from one defensive player. And
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons has been that so far. And we have
Speaker 1: seen the last couple of seasons when Tech Lawrence has
Speaker 1: been healthy, he has been able to make a difference.
Speaker 1: The problem has not been one hundred percent healthy, and
Speaker 1: that's part of the game. So right now we're talking
Speaker 1: about an offseason where where there's no issues. But they
Speaker 1: need him. Yeah, they need Quinn needs him, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: needs him. If this team has any desires to go
Speaker 1: where they want to go, there cannot be a tank
Speaker 1: Lawrence missing six, seven, eight games because if you just
Speaker 1: can't have if you have a Tech Lawrence in there.
Speaker 1: That rotation of fresh guys being able to get after
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I mean you're talking about to bash him
Speaker 1: a Dante Fowler, the Law Parsons coming up, they're able
Speaker 1: to rotate that and get fresh legs in there. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a huge difference maker as far as
Speaker 1: quarterbacks being able to hold the ball because those guys
Speaker 1: are fresh coming off the line, those offensive tackles, those
Speaker 1: guards and centers, they're gonna be getting worn down as
Speaker 1: the game goes on. So hopefully we can have every
Speaker 1: each one of those guys on the D line fresh
Speaker 1: and ready to roll, because if you add d Law
Speaker 1: to that combination, it could be dangerous for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: All right, So Michael Parsons, his job is to get
Speaker 1: to the quarterback, and that means also offensive linemen have
Speaker 1: to beware of him too because he's so quick as
Speaker 1: he's shooting these gaps here. Michael Parsons had this to
Speaker 1: say about the Cowboys first round draft pick out of Tulsa,
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith Ticklus. I think Tyre is going to be
Speaker 1: a really good player. I know because some people it's
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be what they expected. But I think, man,
Speaker 1: we're all really excited about him, and I think he's
Speaker 1: a strong kid. He gets his hands on the MC
Speaker 1: too many people getting away with him, and he got
Speaker 1: the best of a lot of guys here and practice
Speaker 1: so far really made a great impression. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see a step forward. It seems like he knows exactly
Speaker 1: type of player he wants to be and what steps
Speaker 1: he's gotta take. And I think he got the best
Speaker 1: tackle in the game to look from. You know, he
Speaker 1: got Tyren Smith from running still, got Zach turn the
Speaker 1: guard position and tackle whatever he's learned. I think got
Speaker 1: some true Hall of Fame guys to learn from. And
Speaker 1: I think he's stubbing into the right shoes and Sharan
Speaker 1: exactly what we wanted to see. You know, he got
Speaker 1: some of the big guys and he's like, oh man,
Speaker 1: he got some strong hands. So I'm really excited about
Speaker 1: That's a that's a great comparison right there, because that's
Speaker 1: all we said about Tyren Smith when he came into
Speaker 1: the league. Man, that dude has some strong hands and
Speaker 1: when he gets his hands on you, it didn't matter
Speaker 1: who it was, they were locked up. So that's one
Speaker 1: of the that's a great compliment right there, and that
Speaker 1: he's got that strength to be able to hold up
Speaker 1: these guys on the interior and on the outside. And
Speaker 1: like he said, I mean, he has two of the
Speaker 1: best offensive lineman in the game to learn from, Tyren
Speaker 1: Smith and Zach Martin when he's talking about guard or
Speaker 1: whether you're talking about tackles. So for him to get
Speaker 1: that praise it's early, it's great. And I know we're
Speaker 1: just in shorts in Jerseys. I know we're just in that,
Speaker 1: But to me, I like that would be harder for
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman the block when you're just in shorts
Speaker 1: and pass these guys can do wiggling around and daughter speed,
Speaker 1: but when you have pads on, you got more surface
Speaker 1: area to get your hands on. So for him to
Speaker 1: be out there doing what he's doing in OTAs right now,
Speaker 1: I think that's impressive. I would love to see when
Speaker 1: he gets to pads because I want to see that nasty. Yes,
Speaker 1: I want to see driving into the ground, just you know,
Speaker 1: Williams type stuff. So that's what I want to see
Speaker 1: going when we get the pads on. But early on
Speaker 1: in his OTAs is great to hear that he's been
Speaker 1: able to pick things up and get his hands on gas.
Speaker 1: I think when you have an opportunity to talk to
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, you're really gonna like his mentality and what
Speaker 1: you talked about with Mica in terms of, hey, I
Speaker 1: want to be good, I want to learn my craft.
Speaker 1: That's Tyler Smith. The teaching and how he is able
Speaker 1: to absorb the teaching and play is going to be
Speaker 1: something to look at. I still would tell people he's
Speaker 1: a project player. Yeah, he's still a project play. Mean.
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons played at Penn State and played at the
Speaker 1: high levels an All American. I don't think that's fair
Speaker 1: to try, hey, because he's a first raffic he's gonna
Speaker 1: he's not going to be that player. It's gonna take
Speaker 1: him some time because let's be honest, if he was,
Speaker 1: he would have been drafted higher. So he had the
Speaker 1: holding penalties in the American Conference at Tulsa. So there's
Speaker 1: going to be things he has to work on. The
Speaker 1: people who drafted him have said we understand it's a process.
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele, to me, that is really a barometer that
Speaker 1: they should look at them. You know, in a perfect world,
Speaker 1: he could be a better Tarren Steele. Okay, and that's
Speaker 1: good because I turned out to be a really good
Speaker 1: football player two years in his career, and so unlike Terrence,
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He's got ots, He's got you know, he's
Speaker 1: got he's gotta He's gonna have some teaching before he
Speaker 1: gets to training camp because off covid T Steele didn't.
Speaker 1: Then there was also the virtual or learning they had
Speaker 1: to do during the years. So Tyler Smith is going
Speaker 1: to be able to be in a different position. But
Speaker 1: I would just caution people that just say, hey, look,
Speaker 1: there is still going to be a learning curve for
Speaker 1: this young man, and it is going to be I
Speaker 1: think for the first maybe three picks. I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: Sam Williams a defensive end at a Whole Miss. He
Speaker 1: was All Pro or All Conference player out there in
Speaker 1: the SECT first team all that, and he can get
Speaker 1: out to the quarterback. But it's definitely gonna be a
Speaker 1: learning curve for him. And then Jaalen Tolbert as well,
Speaker 1: coming out of Southern Alabama. I want to see how
Speaker 1: how he translates his game from that small kind of
Speaker 1: college conference to the NFL. I mean, we've seen it
Speaker 1: done before, We've seen guys come from small schools and
Speaker 1: have great NFL careers. But I'm interested to see how
Speaker 1: he translates because I think he'll be thrown into the fire.
Speaker 1: Maybe even before Saint Williams and M. T. Smith he
Speaker 1: could have an opportunity. Yeah, and that's what training camp
Speaker 1: is gonna be about a lot of these guys. How
Speaker 1: much how much can they take from OTAs and this
Speaker 1: mandatory mini camp in a training camp that's something you've
Speaker 1: gone through yourself. And and what's gonna be huge is
Speaker 1: that that month break time. I think, to get like
Speaker 1: a month off between the last mini camp in the
Speaker 1: beginning of training camp. To me, that's gonna be huge
Speaker 1: for these rookies. How are you going to approach it?
Speaker 1: How are you gonna attack it? Are you gonna be
Speaker 1: you know in the playbook? Are you gonna be working
Speaker 1: on your craft? Or you're gonna have like a veteran
Speaker 1: presence in there teaching you the game. Because what you
Speaker 1: don't want to do is let all this OTAs and
Speaker 1: mini camp kind of go to the waist at all.
Speaker 1: I'm on my break time, I can finally relax now
Speaker 1: because you're not there yet. You're not there yet you're
Speaker 1: not that vet status yet, So you gotta make sure
Speaker 1: you attack the game plan, attack the playbook, and make
Speaker 1: sure when you get into camp you're in the best
Speaker 1: shape of your life and you know the playbook like
Speaker 1: the back of your hand, because you're gonna get tried
Speaker 1: and tested as soon as the camp starts. So I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see how these young rookies attack this little
Speaker 1: break they have. All right, Barry Church, where we come back.
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Speaker 1: to truly miss had opportunity coaching for several years. Unbelievable person.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy showed up every day, had a
Speaker 1: smile on his face, came to work. If I could
Speaker 1: show anybody a model and a role to develop a
Speaker 1: running back to play in this league, it would be
Speaker 1: definitely marrying. I mean the guy came to work every day,
Speaker 1: practice hard every day, did a great job in the
Speaker 1: meetings every day. He was a little bit like obviously
Speaker 1: his name, Barbarian as a player, very physical, very physical
Speaker 1: player as a runner, as a protector, and had the
Speaker 1: ability to run routes out of the backfield. Very unique
Speaker 1: in that way. But I think the thing that maybe
Speaker 1: a lot of you really don't know about him is
Speaker 1: that he was an unbelievable person. Give the shirt off
Speaker 1: his back, invite people over his house, cooked dinner for him.
Speaker 1: He was stopped by my home, play with my kids
Speaker 1: when they were young, and very personable in that way.
Speaker 1: I mean he was very shy when he got to
Speaker 1: doing what I'm doing right now, but one on one,
Speaker 1: was very very entertaining to talk to. Hadn't really spoke
Speaker 1: to him in recent years besides when I just first
Speaker 1: got back the man I'm going to remember as a
Speaker 1: guy coached, how he came in this building single day,
Speaker 1: what he meant to his friends and what he meant
Speaker 1: to me, the guys he played with, and the determination
Speaker 1: to try to make everyone a little bit better person
Speaker 1: at Skip Beat Cowboys running back coach. I'm marrying Barbara.
Speaker 1: The third NB three passed away last week right here
Speaker 1: in the city Frisco, where the Cowboys headquarters is located.
Speaker 1: The star found unresponsive at his apartment complex. So um,
Speaker 1: we'll get more details obviously, as a corner releases a
Speaker 1: report Barry he played, Yeah, marrying Barbara the third and
Speaker 1: it's extremely sad news. But everything skip Pa said is
Speaker 1: one hundred percent true about this man. I played with
Speaker 1: him my rookie year and when I came in, this
Speaker 1: is the guy that he come like. He said, like Skippy,
Speaker 1: I don't know about smile on his face every time,
Speaker 1: but this man came to work every single day. It
Speaker 1: didn't matter if we were in shorts and jerseys or
Speaker 1: if we were in shoulder pads and we were hitting
Speaker 1: the two of days. This guy had the same mentality.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about physical I've had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to go head to head with Adrian Peterson, you know,
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch and Marrying the Barbarian, and I would say
Speaker 1: he is up there with those three guys when you
Speaker 1: talk about physical runners. It would take more than one
Speaker 1: guy to bring this guy down. And I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about just you know, a dB Tacklings guy. I've seen
Speaker 1: him go against guys like Igor Olsinski, who was one
Speaker 1: of the biggest, strongest men I've ever seen in my life,
Speaker 1: and he's been able to run through guys like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy. You saw the famous two yard
Speaker 1: run this guy had. I mean, he was throwing guys
Speaker 1: off left and right against the Patriots. He only got
Speaker 1: two yards, but it was one of the most physical,
Speaker 1: dominating two yard runs you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 1: And he had that type of approach to each and
Speaker 1: every day. And when you talk about giving the clothes
Speaker 1: off your back to somebody, this man was one of
Speaker 1: the most kind. Even though he had that name Barbarian,
Speaker 1: he was one of the most kind individuals I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: When you got him one on one, he was shy,
Speaker 1: like Skipp said, in a group setting, but when you
Speaker 1: got him one on one, he would open up to you.
Speaker 1: He would talk to you about anything and break the
Speaker 1: game down to you to where you can understand it
Speaker 1: and have a better career off of it. This guy,
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a professional, just through and through.
Speaker 1: And it's just sad news that he's been gone at
Speaker 1: such a young age because I think he was at
Speaker 1: thirty eight, and I mean that's that's extremely young to
Speaker 1: pass away. But I mean the impact this guy left
Speaker 1: in our locker room back there was amazing. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's one of the strongest runners and strongest people that
Speaker 1: I ever had had a chance to be a teammate with.
Speaker 1: And it's it's sad to hear it, and the condultes
Speaker 1: goes out to his family, But this guy, I mean,
Speaker 1: when you talk about bringing it each and every day,
Speaker 1: I mean that dude brought it each and every day.
Speaker 1: And sad to hear him passing, but man, that was
Speaker 1: he was a hell of a player and a hell
Speaker 1: of a teammate and hell of a person. So Friday's
Speaker 1: his birthday would have been such so young man. I
Speaker 1: remember when he came. I remember I was here when
Speaker 1: they when they drafted him and fourth round or out
Speaker 1: of Minnesota. His teammate Lawrence Moroney was taken in the
Speaker 1: first round by the Patriot Patriots and he they split
Speaker 1: time at Minnesota and I think had Mary and been
Speaker 1: the lead ball carrier. No way he lasted until the
Speaker 1: fourth round. But when they had maryan Barber and Julius
Speaker 1: Jones together, Bill Parcels had a nice he had a
Speaker 1: nice run game going and obviously Julius did not fulfill
Speaker 1: the thoughts to so many people thought that his career
Speaker 1: could be. But barbera ended up with a Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: having a Pro Bowl year and just was a reliable
Speaker 1: guy when he played. And I'll miss him. I remembered
Speaker 1: we did a podcast here recently a couple of years,
Speaker 1: maybe it was right before the pandemic, and I saw
Speaker 1: him out here at the Star. We just we just
Speaker 1: you know, smiled and just had a quick little chat
Speaker 1: with each other, and it was just nice to see him.
Speaker 1: And he lost a lot of weight, yeah, basically, And Barry,
Speaker 1: you know this because you play. Bill Romaneski once told me,
Speaker 1: he said, guys, either get fit and get the one
Speaker 1: of the two. That's it. There's no in between. You
Speaker 1: either you're gonna blow up or you're gonna get real fit.
Speaker 1: It's it's just one of the two. And he lost
Speaker 1: that weight that he didn't have to have to play
Speaker 1: that that bruising style. So he had lost that weight,
Speaker 1: um that he had there. So Mary Barber arrested piece.
Speaker 1: So many of us who were around you appreciated you,
Speaker 1: without a doubt appreciated you. And that's um, you know
Speaker 1: that that's something you'd like. I think when we all
Speaker 1: get called home, we'd like people to say the kind
Speaker 1: things about us that that Mary and Barber has had
Speaker 1: said about him. Speaking of the current bruising running back
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys, that is Ezekiel Elliott. Um. Now
Speaker 1: you know, okay, it wasn't one hundred percent last year
Speaker 1: he was playing. He said he was fine. He lied
Speaker 1: to us, Uh, not the first time players applied about
Speaker 1: in reach. You know that bart guys, which I personally,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why if I'm hurt, I'm hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand with his situation to see how folks, that's
Speaker 1: how come guys don't just go tell it. If I
Speaker 1: was in his situation, I would because he like, he
Speaker 1: ain't gonna get Wally Pipps, So it ain't like he's
Speaker 1: got a oh man, I gotta I gotta make sure
Speaker 1: I'm out there for my job. You know, they gave
Speaker 1: you the bag. So I'm not so sure why he
Speaker 1: didn't just go out there and say, I mentioned, man,
Speaker 1: I needed a little bit of rest. But I guess
Speaker 1: you know, he's being there for his teammates, and you know,
Speaker 1: I guess he felt that him being on the field
Speaker 1: gave our team, or gave the Dallas Cowboys the best
Speaker 1: opportunity to win. So maybe that's why he didn't. But
Speaker 1: to me, I already got the bag. I'm I'm hurt.
Speaker 1: I'm hurt. You know I can't. I can't go out
Speaker 1: there and perform to the best of my abilities. So
Speaker 1: why not telling Jim Jim Meer or Britt Brown what
Speaker 1: the deal is? They knew he just wanted to keep playing.
Speaker 1: He just wanted to keep playing. And talk to someone
Speaker 1: on the in the organization said, hey, man, we tried to.
Speaker 1: He did not want he did not want to miss time.
Speaker 1: He wanted to play. And I just come back. And
Speaker 1: that thing, I'm like, who's charge? Because when you go
Speaker 1: out there and play, it's like, now everybody's looking at you.
Speaker 1: All he didn't lost a step or he doesn't have
Speaker 1: it anymore, you know it. It wants you on that field.
Speaker 1: It's like all injuries go aside. People don't. People don't
Speaker 1: see those injuries. They just look at your production. I
Speaker 1: see it when you when you're in that Okay, hey,
Speaker 1: we're in this hole where we gotta do this to
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, and you're in the playoffs. But you
Speaker 1: know this has happened before. It happened earlier in the year. Man,
Speaker 1: take three weeks, take a month off, get help your
Speaker 1: team by getting yourself right, especially when you had we
Speaker 1: had to lead in the division such a margin. I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta rest yourself and get ready for when it
Speaker 1: really matters. And we saw that you know, he didn't
Speaker 1: do that was played which hey is that warrior mentality.
Speaker 1: Seventy percent of him got a thousand yards, But what
Speaker 1: would ninety five percent? Maybe where where could it have
Speaker 1: helped the Cowboys out? Here's Ezekiel Elliott at OTA's talking
Speaker 1: about the injury and how he's feeling right now. You know,
Speaker 1: I feel good, I said, I'm healthy, you know after
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, you know, it took me maybe you know,
Speaker 1: a month or two to you know, get the feeling
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. But I said, at this point, obviously
Speaker 1: you know, I'm feeling good and I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: This is the last year of his guaranteed money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is a major season for Ezekiel Elliott. A
Speaker 1: lot of pressure to to really I struggled to say,
Speaker 1: get back to where he was. I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't know if we'll ever see that again. Correct, I
Speaker 1: mean this is the body is a running back. I've
Speaker 1: been told by many people, including righting backs, and you
Speaker 1: don't have so many hits in you. And if you
Speaker 1: go about history, I think there's only been one back
Speaker 1: to I'm talking about Adrian Peters and when he towards
Speaker 1: Ahl and then came back to Rush for two thousand,
Speaker 1: that was able to do that. If you go through history,
Speaker 1: he wants that decline stars. Maybe it's not steep, maybe
Speaker 1: it's you know, here and there, just you know a
Speaker 1: little bit less yards here and there. We rarely see
Speaker 1: a guy come back up to where he was at
Speaker 1: his peak, and you know that's what he was one
Speaker 1: of the best when he was at his peak. And
Speaker 1: I also say that because where we're talking about in
Speaker 1: the show it was a run based offense. Yes, it
Speaker 1: was under Jason Garrison. It's not a run based offense anymore.
Speaker 1: And Tony Pollard's going into his last year and they're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out why he's to get Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: touches as well. So I just don't expect to see
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott leading the league and rushing. I don't expect
Speaker 1: that that we're going to see that guy that we
Speaker 1: saw with a high volume putting up big total rushing
Speaker 1: numbers that we saw the first couple of years. But
Speaker 1: can you still see a guy who can be a
Speaker 1: difference maker and make a difference that coordinators say, Okay, look,
Speaker 1: we gotta make sure we know where twenty one is.
Speaker 1: I do believe that is still that is still something
Speaker 1: that's there, and I'm with you on that one as well.
Speaker 1: I think he can he can still get the respect
Speaker 1: of the defense as to where they got to stack
Speaker 1: the box and make sure they slowed him down first
Speaker 1: before anything with this offense. But let me ask you this, though,
Speaker 1: do you think the Cowboys will give more I want
Speaker 1: to say more touches, but I want to get a
Speaker 1: better look at Tony Pollard before they they let him
Speaker 1: in free agency, you know, I want to see they
Speaker 1: I would think they would want to figure out what
Speaker 1: they have in Tony Pollard before they just let him
Speaker 1: hit free agency like that. Do you think that is
Speaker 1: a that that could happen this year? As far as
Speaker 1: the touches are concerned with, is with the Mari Cooper
Speaker 1: going and seeing the ability of what Tony Potter can do.
Speaker 1: I don't see how they don't. They got to you
Speaker 1: have to maximize your weapons because you don't want to
Speaker 1: let him go out there and in the next and
Speaker 1: you realize you lost an explosive back out there. So
Speaker 1: I can see them getting more touches for him involved,
Speaker 1: which we'll eat into Ezekiel Eliots. And at the same time,
Speaker 1: knowing that Ezekiel Eliot's going to have, you know, they're
Speaker 1: they're they're they're going to have to make a decision
Speaker 1: about Ezekiel Eliot and his money, whether you decide to
Speaker 1: make a cut of the player, or you decide to
Speaker 1: do almost what you did with in terms basically what
Speaker 1: they did with tank Lords there at that point in time.
Speaker 1: Either you cut him and try and eat some money
Speaker 1: over the next two years, or you come up with
Speaker 1: a contract that reduces the number drastically and you keep
Speaker 1: the player longer. And that's what they did with Tanks.
Speaker 1: So they're going to have to come to that decision
Speaker 1: with ezekielt the way some of these contracts have been
Speaker 1: set for star players, it's going to keep coming into
Speaker 1: this position of them, all right, what do we do.
Speaker 1: So as you look at Mary Cooper, as you look
Speaker 1: at DeMarcus Lords, as you look Tyrn Smith, the left
Speaker 1: tackle is going to be in that same position coming
Speaker 1: in the next year as well. Okay, what do we
Speaker 1: what do we decide to do here because we have
Speaker 1: a player in the contract. You saw what they did
Speaker 1: with all Collins exactly. This is the nature of And
Speaker 1: by the way, it's not the Cowboys. Pretty much every
Speaker 1: team league that is giving out some big contracts. What
Speaker 1: do the Kancity Chiefs say, Hey, you know Tyreek Kill. No,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna We're gonna move on. You want that
Speaker 1: kind of back, We'll move on. We've paid Kelsey, We've
Speaker 1: paid the homes. We can't pay you. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you got as a player, you gotta really Okay, that's
Speaker 1: where I'm at in the pecking order, So make moves necessary.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be a huge year, a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure on a lot of players and coaches in this organization.
Speaker 1: And if you're if in some ways, if you're Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: this is good. Yeah, You're gonna have some guys that
Speaker 1: have to have a reason to go next level. Dalton Schultz, Zekiel,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollinn, Pollard, I mean, ceedee Lamb, he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna want to be that number one guy. Tyrn Smith,
Speaker 1: you're center, Tyler Beyondest. There's a lot of guys who
Speaker 1: need to perform, and that's not a bad thing at all.
Speaker 1: We've seen what it did for the defense when it
Speaker 1: was competition, when guy needed the ball out, we saw
Speaker 1: they got though, they rose to another level and that
Speaker 1: that defense showed out. So hopefully that same thing can
Speaker 1: happen on the offensive man. Tristan Hill, he got a ball,
Speaker 1: the young Gator, the enforcer, he got a ball. You
Speaker 1: can try to make this team exactly Tackle trying to
Speaker 1: make this team herself. He was training camp for him.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to getting out there. I'm gonna leave
Speaker 1: the twenty fourth to get on out to California for
Speaker 1: training camp and it's gonna start up on the twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be looking forward to seeing exactly what
Speaker 1: they do. There's a lot of pressure on a whole
Speaker 1: lot of people, from the coaches the players, and like
Speaker 1: you said, that's a good thing. That's a good thing
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Competition breeze the best iron, Sharpen's iron.
Speaker 1: So hopefully those guys can go out there and say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna to best year of my career,
Speaker 1: and hopefully as a team they have the best years
Speaker 1: their career, careers, money and all depends on it. Here
Speaker 1: something look as we know every year and you you
Speaker 1: experience it as a player. Everybody didn't come back. Man,
Speaker 1: everybody don't they to be right. Couple folks ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be here. No locker room will be different. That's what
Speaker 1: they always say each and every year. The locker room
Speaker 1: is gonna change. Whether it's a big dog leaving or
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of guys on the bottom of
Speaker 1: the roster, that locker room will change. Very church good stuff.
Speaker 1: You out next week. I'm out next week. And so
Speaker 1: we'll convene. Do we have the one we know we're
Speaker 1: gonna be off? We all once once, many camp ins,
Speaker 1: many camp weekends, the word we'll be off and training camp.
Speaker 1: So the next time the three of us will be together,
Speaker 1: Danny mcquiback, well, we'll be our training camp. At least
Speaker 1: I'll be training and uh, we'll we'll crazy do what
Speaker 1: we did last year. Dog getting reports about what I got.
Speaker 1: We'll be listening and I'll be listening. You know, I'll
Speaker 1: lean on Tank, that Tank, but I'll lean on Nate Newton,
Speaker 1: big name, make sure he gets you right with those
Speaker 1: dudes and the trenches. That's it. I'll watched, literally, that
Speaker 1: was my thing. I would go find Nate Newton and
Speaker 1: watch practice because you broke to us early how Terren
Speaker 1: Steele was looking out there and next thing we know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't took off at some point. I'd just be
Speaker 1: smart enough to know who do you need to go an?
Speaker 1: You know, so him, Derek Eagle, toon Nick Eatman, you
Speaker 1: know different guys Hellman, you know right when I'll go
Speaker 1: and watch and talk with them at camping and Bradsham,
Speaker 1: Christie Scales, Baby offers. There's a lot of people and
Speaker 1: even when folks come out, like a Bucky Brooks from
Speaker 1: NFL Network comes out of Willie McGinnis will come out,
Speaker 1: I'll go find them. It's watching practice. Let me tell
Speaker 1: me what you see, Carl, and I'll be listening to
Speaker 1: him the other line, you know, because I'm seeing things.
Speaker 1: But you know, I like to see what other people
Speaker 1: who I respected this game, who follow football, what they're
Speaker 1: seeing as well. So same thing with coaches. So, man,
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to her brother. Real quick, real quick.
Speaker 1: I know we got we gotta leave him, but real quick.
Speaker 1: When did the undrafted free agents start getting a bag
Speaker 1: to come to? What? Your boy? The Marky's Bell got
Speaker 1: two hundred grand to come out here from mini camp?
Speaker 1: All these undrafted guys getting six six figures to come
Speaker 1: a man? Who guy, I came here for ten k
Speaker 1: to get You want this ten k and mini camp? Invite? Sure,
Speaker 1: I'll take three. Pierson got five hundred dollars. I'll be
Speaker 1: fifteen or five hundred dollars times of change, right, I
Speaker 1: mean you got ten grand? I mean that's what Romo guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. You got the Roman number. So it was
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Yes, money just keep going up. So um
Speaker 1: one good agent, that's true. His first thing Bell has
Speaker 1: is a good agent, an agent. I say this, if
Speaker 1: I'm in the safety room, I would be very I
Speaker 1: would be very cognizant of what that young man made.
Speaker 1: You knew I would have known he getting two hundred Okay, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: he will be. He will be in some packages. Yes,
Speaker 1: he will will dime dime package. He will have opportunities.
Speaker 1: He's going to have to cut himself because they're trying
Speaker 1: to keep him on. Even if it's in a practice situation.
Speaker 1: They're going to do what they can. When they give
Speaker 1: you that kind of money, they have a plane for you.
Speaker 1: And and I asked I speaking about I asked dan
Speaker 1: Quinn about it and in the group setting, and he said, hey,
Speaker 1: look I see him as a linebacker, and so he's
Speaker 1: got a type of vision that he's looking for for Bell.
Speaker 1: So it just sounds more and more like Damn was
Speaker 1: up there like, yeah, I think I can do something
Speaker 1: with this guy, camp Chancellor dot kind of thing. And
Speaker 1: they're like and they just said, okay, if you can
Speaker 1: see the vision, and based off what he did with
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons last year, all right, he wants Sam Williams,
Speaker 1: you worked him out here, and he says, yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: like to work with that player. Okay, Fine, He's proven
Speaker 1: to be able to get the best out of his players.
Speaker 1: So and that and that's gonna be a very interesting
Speaker 1: thing about um dan Quinn and his role depending on
Speaker 1: whatever happens here for twenty twenty three, because you're putting
Speaker 1: a lot of that on him. Yeah, because if you're
Speaker 1: putting all this on him. Then then you may want
Speaker 1: to try to continue that consistency because his vision may
Speaker 1: not be the next person's vision. This is true. George
Speaker 1: Lewis can tell you that this is true about guy's
Speaker 1: visions and what happens in your career with it. So man,
Speaker 1: stuff is always beat Church, all right, Chris Bean, We
Speaker 1: appreciate jazz will everybody's been a part of a player's loge.
Speaker 1: And my man McCrae, he was trying, but you know,
Speaker 1: it happens, It happens, it happens. Half a attendance is
Speaker 1: no more. We'll chat with you down the road right here, oh,
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