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Speaker 1: Hello, it was Jason Sepsim and on Merseay Night, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to a tiny, tiny, tiny spider sized episode of

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Speaker 1: X Revision, the podcast when we dive deep into your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, it's a previously on. We're catching up

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Speaker 2: on Madam Webb as part of a series revisiting all

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Speaker 2: the things we missed while we were on hiatus in

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Speaker 2: the Amazon with her mother before she died.

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Speaker 1: And just in case you didn't catch the amazing, the fantastically,

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Speaker 1: very unique Madam Web in theaters, don't worry. Madam Web

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Speaker 1: is now streaming on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: Catch it now. Picture this nineteen seventy three. Deep in

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Speaker 2: the Peruvian Amazon, a young woman is hunting for a spider.

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Speaker 2: The spider has magical healing powders, but she is not

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Speaker 2: protecting her, Ezekiel Simms. He has a suspicious mustache. She

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Speaker 3: In a very strange way of speaking, which we should.

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Speaker 2: We will delve into that he shoots her even though

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Speaker 2: she is pregnant, and he leaves her for dead. Taking

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Speaker 2: the magical healing Spider with him into the jungle. As

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Speaker 2: even more mysterious group of magical spider people known as

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Speaker 2: loss Aranyus. And I just want to say at this

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Speaker 2: This is absolutely what happens in Madam Webb. While Los

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Speaker 2: Aranius cannot save her, they can save her new born daughter,

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Speaker 2: Cassandra Webb. Well, guess what. They let a magical healing

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Speaker 2: spider bite her mum and it's saves the baby as

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Speaker 2: the baby is being born. Smash cut to New York

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and three and the worst driving you've

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Speaker 2: we meet Cassie Web who is now an EMT, something

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Speaker 2: which I just have to say is not canon to

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Speaker 1: I mean to the point that there is a wild

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Speaker 3: Her her Spider charges, her future spider charges.

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Speaker 1: How to do chest compressions and perform a point of

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Speaker 2: And not just that, but it's like incredibly important, to

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Speaker 2: That's actually one of the things I love the most

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Speaker 2: about this movie. Cassandra Webb is one of Hollywood's most

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Speaker 2: unlikable female characters, and I think that is powerful. So

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Speaker 2: causing many problems. But guess what good news for Spider

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Speaker 2: Uncle Ben played by Adam Scott, who I just have

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Speaker 2: So the pair save the person who is in the

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Speaker 2: She's rude to the person's kid. She sees Sidney Sweeney,

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Speaker 2: and she's kind of rude to Sydney Sweeney, which is

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Speaker 2: I guess. So. Cassie is weird about everything. And after

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Speaker 2: gives her precognitive powers. Of course, yes, of course she

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Speaker 2: She's a sorry, she has pre cognitive powers. She's not

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Speaker 1: With that.

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Speaker 2: And now let's talk about the voice.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about it. Let's talk about the many strange

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Speaker 2: Yeah, every single night, every single night's dreamable night.

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Speaker 3: And he tells no one about.

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Speaker 2: He is such a fantastic actor. If you haven't seen

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Speaker 2: and it is inexplicable.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll explain it this way. I think very clearly.

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Speaker 1: There's you know, a quite strong cap on a lot

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Speaker 2: them all, Madam Webb has already met all these different

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Speaker 2: Yeah, completely normal, completely normal, And then she has to

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Speaker 2: Here's three teenage girls who I've been staying within a

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Speaker 3: Will we see it? Will we see?

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Speaker 2: You know? I do think that Sydney Sweeney has the

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Speaker 3: I rolled my eyes so hard, dude, not to mention that.

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Speaker 3: I got one.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you the one I love, Golden sponge Cake

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