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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to The Phillies Show with Ruben Tomorrow Junior Jim Salisbury.

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Speaker 2: I am Todd Zu Lucky, a new Phillies podcast. We

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Speaker 2: wanted to do this because we're such fond admirers of

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Speaker 2: one another, and we just love each other's company so much,

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Speaker 2: and we just respect the heck out of one another,

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Speaker 2: and we just love baseball. So we put this together

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Speaker 2: kind of about the last minute. Opening Day is here.

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Speaker 2: It's an exciting time. So let's start with this. Guys,

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Speaker 2: what does Opening Day mean to you? Do you have

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Speaker 2: a favorite Opening Day memory? Something that you always kind

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Speaker 2: of come back to when you when you get to

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Speaker 2: this day on the calendar.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Jimmy, Well, I mean I'm sure. First of all.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you know, thirty years ago, would you

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Speaker 1: have said we really respect each other? I would not

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Speaker 1: have said that about you, guys, I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: that right now. Okay, anyway, go ahead, way, Jim, Jim, respectfully,

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Speaker 1: I'll turn it over to you, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Driving you crazy all those years on your ass, right

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Speaker 3: so you know opening Day, if baseball is your favorite sport,

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is where it all starts, and baseball

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Speaker 3: has been my favorite game forever. And you know, I

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Speaker 3: always tell a couple of stories. One when I covered

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Speaker 3: Terry Francona as manager, he he told me his mother

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Speaker 3: used to let him cut school every Opening Day and

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Speaker 3: go to the Pirates game because she believed Opening Day

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Speaker 3: was special. And you know she was right. Opening Day

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Speaker 3: is special. I remember being in grade school and these

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Speaker 3: were in the years before like big tech departments. Every

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Speaker 3: school had a big tech department. We had one TV

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Speaker 3: in the entire elementary school and it was on this

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Speaker 3: big rolling cart. And I remember being in fourth grade

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Speaker 3: and my teacher saying, Hey, go down to the library

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Speaker 3: and get the get the TV. We're gonna watch Opening Day,

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Speaker 3: watch the Red Sox game. And I remember pushing that

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Speaker 3: big cart down the hallway and bring it in. We

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Speaker 3: and we watched the Red Sox game that day. And

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Speaker 3: I have to say, probably my most memorable Opening day

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Speaker 3: was actually a home opener. It wasn't the Phillies opener.

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Speaker 3: It was their home opener in ninety four. It was

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Speaker 3: my first year covering the team. The team opened up

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Speaker 3: in Mile High Stadium in the snow, and then played

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Speaker 3: in Denver, so they played in Denver, and then Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: came home for the home opener, sixty eight thousand people

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Speaker 3: at Veterans Stadium and John Cruck quite literally rolls out

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Speaker 3: tell you what it made. The hair on my neck

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Speaker 3: stand up as he's standing on second base and the

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Speaker 3: crowd is just absolutely erupting. You know. That was obviously

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Speaker 3: the spring when he was treated for cancer, and he,

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Speaker 3: like I said, comes out of a radiation out of

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Speaker 3: ballpark just exploded. So and like I said, I still

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Speaker 3: have goosebumps thinking about it. I've written about it a

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Speaker 3: even though it's just a home opener, I considered like

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Speaker 3: an opening day because that would be my greatest opening

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Speaker 2: That's cool.

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Speaker 1: And not only not only could John Krug roll out

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Speaker 1: of a hospital. Man. He's got that skill set. That's

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Speaker 1: why he's so damn popular. And I you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: fifty nine years old now probably gone through.

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Speaker 4: This will be my fifty ninth Opening Day as I live,

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Speaker 4: as I continue to be fortunate enough to be six

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Speaker 5: But I think the I think, honestly, the one that

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Speaker 5: the biggest impact on me personally is the very first.

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Speaker 1: Opening Day that I made as a major leaguer, and

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Speaker 1: that was with the Phillies in ninety two. I was

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Speaker 1: traded from ninety one and the off season of ninety

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Speaker 1: the bat boy and had grown up watching all my

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Speaker 1: March thirty first, almost seven years to the day now

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Speaker 1: from this this lit podcast, and when I was on

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Speaker 1: in what you know, it was twenty some years after

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Speaker 1: Red Sox do a really cool thing and they sort

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Speaker 1: League Baseball who had passed away in that offseason. And

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Speaker 1: my dad was the very first one because he's a

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Speaker 1: right tomorrow and they had a long, you know shot

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Speaker 3: I bet you did.

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Speaker 1: That's I lost it. So the other thing, as far

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Speaker 3: So how about you, Todd, In the land of Bronson Beer,

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Speaker 3: Milwaukee was carved the brew Crew. You must have some

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, Like for me, what I remember as

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Speaker 2: of got me hooked on baseball, Robie. I can still

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Speaker 1: And so I was old.

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Speaker 2: I was like seven eight years old. So yeah, I

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Speaker 2: So spring training ended on Monday in Clearwater. The Phillies

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Speaker 2: just announced their opening day roster officially today and to me,

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Speaker 2: there were kind of like two big storylines this spring.

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Speaker 2: One was Johann Rojas and you guys, if you have

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Speaker 2: You know, so let's start with Johann Rojas. He makes

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Speaker 2: the team. There's been a lot of talk about it

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Speaker 2: in Philly, just based off my social media feeds. What

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Speaker 2: didn't really produce in this in spring training and running

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Well, I think I'm not surprised that they've stuck

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Speaker 3: didn't really produce in spring training, because if if you

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Speaker 3: I think believes that his number one currency in the

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Speaker 3: And they told this kid, hey, we want you to

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Speaker 3: not being true to your word. I think back to

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Speaker 3: probably why he stuck with him late in that postseason

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Speaker 3: means something to Rob Thompson. It means something to the players,

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Speaker 3: But you know, they should be in a position where

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Speaker 3: they can allow this kid more time, more seasoning at

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Speaker 3: the big league level. If in a couple of months

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Speaker 3: the way I see, I see how they're going. Rubyn,

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Speaker 3: Do you have any Do you agree there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I agree with you. It's hard to assess,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you start talking about results in spring training.

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Speaker 1: you look at the rest of the team, what they

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Speaker 1: hit about a buck like a hundred. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: mean I don't ever really like to necessarily, it's very

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Speaker 1: difficult to sort of assess, you know, progress, I think

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Speaker 1: he improved a little bit. He didn't have great at bats,

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Speaker 1: I do agree with you wholeheartedly that won this This

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Speaker 1: lineup is one of the better lineups, deeper lineups in

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Speaker 1: all baseball. And the defense, let's let's call it, let's

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Speaker 1: call the truth. Defensively, when you have Schwarber and in

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Speaker 1: not that good of a defensive club. It's not very

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Speaker 2: You asked Zach Wheeler and Aarondola who they want playing

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Speaker 1: I want him in the lineup. Everything that's important.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, it's important to keep those guys on the

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Speaker 1: Hey there, that's where your bread is buttered. Brother. You

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Speaker 3: depth pieces. I don't think there's a lot of depth

434
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Speaker 3: that makes you go wow. Other than Mick abel I mean,

435
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Speaker 3: if he's I think at some point this season he

436
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Speaker 3: needs to be knocking on the door. But just think

437
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Speaker 3: the drop off after three, the depth after after three

438
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Speaker 3: in the rotation is probably my biggest concern. They really

439
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Speaker 3: need to stay healthy at one, two, and three and

440
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Speaker 3: have those guys performing like they can. But like I said,

441
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Speaker 3: I think a lot of teams have drop offs after one,

442
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Speaker 3: two and three, and you know, if they catch the ball.

443
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Speaker 3: We talked about the importance of catching the ball. I mean,

444
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Speaker 3: they should be very sound defensively up the middle, and

445
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 3: they should score some runs. I'm sure the pitching staff's

446
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 3: going to like that. But you know, on the whole,

447
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 3: I kind of liked the starting pitching. It just it

448
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 3: needs to hold up and they need to have some

449
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Speaker 3: step up beyond number three, and they need to stay healthy.

450
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Speaker 2: The thing, I think you guys all heard the same

451
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Speaker 2: thing that the Phillies just did not want to go

452
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Speaker 2: past that third luxury tax threshold. That is a stiff,

453
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Speaker 2: stiff tax penalty to pay. I did the math. I

454
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Speaker 2: hope I'm right. Nobody emailed me and said I was wrong.

455
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Speaker 2: I wrote about this yesterday. But if they if they

456
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Speaker 2: had signed Montgomery to that one year, twenty five million

457
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Speaker 2: dollar deal. It would have pushed their payroll from about

458
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Speaker 2: two sixty to eighty five. So now they're tax penalty

459
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Speaker 2: because you know, if it goes up and up and up,

460
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: the further and further you go. Their tax penalty right

461
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 2: now is twelve point four million. It would have jumped

462
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Speaker 2: to more than thirty million dollars. So you add on

463
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Speaker 2: eighteen extra penalty, eighteen million extra penalty to the twenty

464
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Speaker 2: five million dollars for Jordan Montgomery salary. Now you're talking

465
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Speaker 2: at a one year, forty forty three million dollar contract

466
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Speaker 2: for Jordan Montgomery plus plus you your top pick in

467
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Speaker 2: the draft falls ten spots.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty stiff.

469
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Speaker 3: That's stiff.

470
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Speaker 1: That's rough. That's very rough.

471
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Speaker 2: And I know it's not my it's not my money,

472
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Speaker 2: so I couldn't care less if they do it, and

473
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Speaker 2: it Believe me, it would be more fun for everybody

474
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Speaker 2: if they would have done it. But those are real

475
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Speaker 2: considerations that the front office and ownership hads to make.

476
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Speaker 2: So I see why they said, you know, we're going

477
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Speaker 2: to see how Walker and Suarez do. We're going to

478
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Speaker 2: see how Able continues to progress, and see if Spencer

479
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Speaker 2: Turbo could maybe provide us some death depth because man like,

480
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Speaker 2: like Ruben said earlier, what happens if somebody else goes

481
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Speaker 2: down in another part of the roster. And now you're going,

482
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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, we just dropped forty three million dollars

483
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Speaker 2: on a pitcher that we really didn't need, and we

484
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Speaker 2: really could use this payroll flexibility for something else on

485
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Speaker 2: the roster.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's talk about that that. I know, I

487
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Speaker 1: know it sounds I don't like to talk about Delta's

488
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Speaker 1: But the difference between what Spencer Turnbull Okay, let's just

489
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Speaker 1: say Spencer Turnbull and and Jordan Montgomery. First of all,

490
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Speaker 1: Montgomery's not gonna pitch competitively until when I don't know,

491
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Speaker 1: is he ready in three weeks, in two weeks, in

492
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Speaker 1: a month? So you move it. So say say it's

493
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Speaker 1: a month. Okay, I would be really.

494
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Speaker 6: Conservative, say he pitches in a month. So you have

495
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Speaker 6: for five months, you.

496
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Speaker 1: Have Spencer Turnbull probably for a month.

497
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Speaker 6: Say Tiwan Walker comes back after a month, so you

498
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Speaker 6: have Tywan Walker for five months. So the difference between

499
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Speaker 6: Taiwan Walker and Jordan Montgomery, what is he going to

500
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Speaker 6: what is it going to give you Is it gonna

501
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Speaker 6: give a forty three million and ten slots in your

502
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Speaker 6: in your draft pick better?

503
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Speaker 1: Is it gonna make you that much better?

504
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Speaker 6: I just don't see it, and so the logic behind

505
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Speaker 6: it just doesn't make any sense.

506
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Speaker 1: I listen, I'm all about getting the best pitching and

507
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Speaker 1: all the pitch. But Jordan Montgomery is a good picture.

508
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: He's not an ace. Okay, I'm about it getting an ace.

509
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Speaker 1: If it was like a sures Aer about four or

510
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: five years ago, I'll take that. I'll do that. I'll

511
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Speaker 1: make that it with Verlander. I'll make that move. But

512
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Speaker 1: I just don't know if the delta's you know, if

513
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: if the difference is big enough to be able to

514
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Speaker 1: make that to want to make that move right now.

515
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Speaker 2: And that's why they that's why they went after that

516
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: Yoshinibu Yamamoto in decembers, because they thought he was that

517
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: potentially that type of guy, whereas Snell they had no

518
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Speaker 2: interest in Montgomery.

519
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Speaker 1: They were, yeah, it smell's not that guy either. It

520
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: smells not that guy either. It's a cy Young award.

521
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Speaker 1: He pitches five minutes. That's not an ace. I'm sorry

522
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Speaker 1: he won the cy Young, but I think that's the

523
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Speaker 1: biggest farce from the planet. I just don't think. I

524
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Speaker 1: just don't. I don't get it. I don't, I can't.

525
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Speaker 1: I don't understand it. And I know this is a

526
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: different breed of baseball. But if you're going to tell

527
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Speaker 1: me that the cy Young Award winner averaged five and

528
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Speaker 1: what one third innings for his thirty one starts and

529
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Speaker 1: he won the cy Young, I mean he may. He

530
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: should have been the most dominant pitcher in the He

531
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Speaker 1: should have been Sandy Kofax, which he was not.

532
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Speaker 3: Innings are not value. Innings are not valued like they

533
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: used to be, and they should be.

534
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Speaker 1: We saw that more than ever, more than ever now.

535
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Speaker 3: We saw that in the cy Young voting with Corbyn

536
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Speaker 3: Burns beating out Zach Wheeler, who we could do them

537
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: a few years ago? Who could do the math? Didn't

538
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Speaker 3: Wheeler make like five more starts?

539
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: Oh?

540
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a crazy war.

541
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was well ridiculous.

542
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Speaker 2: That that said, the Phillies definitely put their money where

543
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Speaker 2: their mouth is that they value innings because they give

544
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Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler a ton of money and they give Aaron

545
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: Nola a ton of money money that Blake Snell thought

546
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: he should have blown past and didn't come close to touching.

547
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: Because the Phillies like this guy, Aaron Noa throws two

548
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: hundred innings every year. Let's let's lock him up for

549
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Speaker 2: the next several.

550
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Speaker 3: And the whole thing was Walker did pitching the postseason

551
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Speaker 3: last year. Maybe people are down on them. This isn't

552
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: you know, an injury that causes concern because he gave

553
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: you one hundred and seventy two innings last year. How

554
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 3: are you going to replace those?

555
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: Right? Righty? Not many guys. Hey, they had five guys,

556
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: five five pitchers through two hundred innings last year. Boys,

557
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: it's crazy, and so now more than ever when you

558
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: have a dearth of pitching, I think because people are

559
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: dropping like flies physically, they're not able to because there's

560
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: so much pressure and so many innings that have to

561
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Speaker 1: be traversed over the course of a season. Because the

562
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: starters can't go anywhere, it can't go past five innings.

563
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: It causes real domino effect across baseball, and I think

564
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Speaker 1: it's one of the one of the things that has

565
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Speaker 1: to be addressed in the game.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of people think, you know what, starting

567
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: pitchers are babied and I don't mean to get into

568
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: this debate, but I was reading a story in The

569
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: Athletic yesterday. As you both know, I'm a big hockey fan.

570
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: Martin bro Door maybe the greatest goalie ever. There's a

571
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: story in the Athletic Martin bro Door worries about if

572
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: goalies are being babied. We're babying an entire generation of goalies.

573
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: So it's in every.

574
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Speaker 1: Sport, no doubt, it's no doubt. I mean, listen and

575
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: you're and you're finding actually that it's it's having the

576
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: reverse effect. The unintended consequences of what is happening now

577
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: is that you don't have pictures pitching on the field

578
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: because they're blowing out, because they're throwing as hard as

579
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: they possibly can, or throwing that one pitch that they

580
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: throw eighty percent of the time out of the bullpen,

581
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: and it's causing people to break. And that is happening.

582
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: It's real, it's there, and it startles me that owners

583
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: don't see it. And and they have millions upon billions

584
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Speaker 1: of dollars on the I l and not performing for them.

585
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: And I just don't understand how how people are letting

586
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: this happen.

587
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: They want to throw harder and harder and harder, and

588
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, get out the uh, get out

589
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: the phone and call doctor Andrews.

590
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: Correct, So it's doctor Andrews right there. As a matter

591
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: of fact.

592
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Speaker 2: So I think, like the opening day match of Phillies

593
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: Braves might be the best in baseball. Not only two teams,

594
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: two rivals, two teams that maybe don't like each other

595
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: too much. Can't wait to see Orlando Arcia on the

596
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: field on Friday, and Wheeler versus Spencer Strider probably the best,

597
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: right is that the best starting matchup in baseball, starting

598
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: pitching matchup on opening days? It has to be, It

599
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: has to be.

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Speaker 1: Try.

601
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's end on this. What do you think

602
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: can the Phillies beat the Braves or pass the Brave

603
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: and win the NLS this year? If so, how do

604
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: they do it? And maybe if not? Like, why what's

605
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: your greatest concern?

606
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: I happen to think that, daved Oh, go ahead, go ahead, Jim.

607
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: No, I want to hear you say, Ruben, because you're

608
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: smarter than I am.

609
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: No, I'm not, No, I'm not.

610
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 6: You see the game in a totally different way. So

611
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 6: so here, So here's my thing.

612
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Speaker 1: I do believe that Dave Dombrowski and Alexanthoppolos are two

613
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: of the better gms in baseball. What Alexanthopolis did in

614
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: adding to his ball club, you know when you can

615
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: add pitching and quality pitching the left hand brain locking

616
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: on his on uh on the left hand's name. I

617
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: was coached him and it was in Boston when he

618
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: made that trade to pick up Sale. I think that

619
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Speaker 1: was brilliant. And I think he added a bunch of

620
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: left handers in his bullpen to combat like the quality

621
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Speaker 1: of the left handed hitters in Stot and Warber and

622
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: Harper in their bullpen. I think that was brilliant. I

623
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: think that they have one of the best young probably

624
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: close to prime time as far as their age and

625
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: their ability is concerned, group of players in all of baseball.

626
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: It's a tremendous team. But there also there's to be

627
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: some questions about whether they're going to be able to

628
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: stay healthy enough, and that's a that's a real question.

629
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Speaker 1: So I think it's a great matchup. I think it's

630
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: two tremendous ball clubs. I have Atlanta favored over Philadelphia

631
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: just based on what I see that does not mean

632
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: by any means that the Phillies can't overtake them, because

633
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: I have it. I think that they have the ability

634
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: to do that. They just haven't proven it yet. And

635
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: until they prove it, that Atlanta is still the best

636
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: team in that in the in the division.

637
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Speaker 3: For me, yeah, I think the Phillies can overtake the

638
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: Braves this year. I know this is going to sound

639
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: ridiculously simplistic, but it's going to come down to who

640
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 3: plays better. It always does. I mean there's talent up

641
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: and down both lineups. There's talent up and down both rotations.

642
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: You know, you stay healthy in rotation, you deliver, and

643
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: there's you winner. I mean, I love Atlanta's lineup, you know,

644
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: I love those two guys at the corner. You gotta

645
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: love at the corner. Infield spots. You gotta love Acunya

646
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 3: maybe the best player in the game. Great team, but

647
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: if the Phillies look at you know, there's no slowly

648
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: they got studs up and down. I think the Phillies

649
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 3: were fourth in the league in runs last year. I

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Speaker 3: think they're gonna score runs if they're pitching holes up,

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Speaker 3: bullpen holes up. Yeah, you know, I think they can

652
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Speaker 3: certainly win this division, but with you know, six teams

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Speaker 3: going to the playoffs, I think winning the division is important.

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Speaker 3: It still means something you have. You know, we have

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Speaker 3: to win two fewer games to win the World Series.

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Speaker 3: You get more games at home, you know. That said,

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Speaker 3: we've seen how dangerous the Phillies can be by just

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00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: you know, getting in and getting hot. We've seen what

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Speaker 3: happens when you get in and go call too in

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Speaker 3: the NLCS last two games last year. So I think

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Speaker 3: it's going to be a very closely matched division. I

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Speaker 3: think the Phillies need to go out and try to

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Speaker 3: win it. They have the talent to do it. It's

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Speaker 3: just about playing well. And I think the front office,

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Speaker 3: you know, even though they're carrying a very big payroll,

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Speaker 3: I think and they didn't make a play for Montgomery

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Speaker 3: for the reasons we talked about. They see a hole.

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Speaker 3: They're going to fix it in July.

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Speaker 6: And I think the only disappointment, Yeah, the only disappointment

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Speaker 6: I have is that in this situation, I would love

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Speaker 6: to have these teams be able to face off nineteen times.

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Speaker 1: Now it's just thirteen, and so it's you know, there's

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Speaker 1: a change in the in the way that the schedule

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Speaker 1: set up. But the Phillies are gonna have to play

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Speaker 1: better baseball against them. In regular season, they got beat

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Speaker 1: up by the Atlanta Braves. They played them better, I thought.

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Speaker 1: I think they played them better in the playoffs, But

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Speaker 1: I think was Atlanta beat them up pretty good in

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Speaker 1: the regular season. I thinks unless I'm mistaken.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, they've talked a lot this spring about

681
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Speaker 2: getting off to a fast start, and you know, obviously

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Speaker 2: the last two years they kind of buried themselves going

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Speaker 2: into June, so they had absolutely no chance to catch them.

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Speaker 2: But what will be funny is if the Phillies are

685
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Speaker 2: neck and neck with the Braves, and then you're going

686
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Speaker 2: to hear people going, boy, I don't know the Braves

687
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Speaker 2: they won the division last years, they were so cold

688
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: going into the NLDS. Is it the best thing for

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Speaker 2: the Phillies doing the division? You know that's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you want to win the division.

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Speaker 2: You want that buy it's automatic, right.

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Speaker 3: If you're a competitor, you want to win the division.

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Speaker 3: But the way modern baseball is now, there's a pretty

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Speaker 3: good landing spot in some of these wildcards, and we've

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Speaker 3: seen you know, countless, you know, not countless, but a

696
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Speaker 3: number of teams really you know, go to the World Series,

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Speaker 3: win the World Series from that whole. So you know,

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Speaker 3: all all hope is not lost if you finished in

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Speaker 3: second place. But as opening days here, I mean, throw

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Speaker 3: it down and try to win the division.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think it's ultimately And you guys know

702
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Speaker 6: this because you've been around the game a long time.

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Speaker 6: It's what team is the hottest, who's playing the best baseball,

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Speaker 6: and what team is the.

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Speaker 1: Hottest, and that's the team that's going to win the

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Speaker 1: World Series. I truly believe in my heart of hearts.

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Speaker 1: When you got down to the final four last year,

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Speaker 1: the Phillies were the most were the most complete.

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Speaker 6: Ball club, and they couldn't get past and d Backs

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Speaker 6: and the Texas Rangers were playing great baseball, especially away

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Speaker 6: from home, which was ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: And it just it happens. And it's just a team

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Speaker 1: that plays the hottest type of baseball. If you're hot,

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Speaker 1: you'll win. And that's what happens. We did it in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. We got hot, and we played

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Speaker 1: a team that was a lesser talented team than the

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Speaker 1: Boston Red Sox. In the Tampa Bay Rays, and so

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Speaker 1: we got fortunate and we won.

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Speaker 2: This is fun, guys, Opening days here. Let's do this again,

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Speaker 2: shall we.

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Speaker 1: Jim Love talking baseball. Yeah yeah, man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll do it again. We'll do it again sometime.

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Speaker 3: You bring the uh, the.

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Speaker 1: Hogies, I'll bring the hogies, I'll bring the I'll bring

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Speaker 1: the enchiladas.

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Speaker 2: Let's diversify the lunch portfolio as we go. Awesome, guys,

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Speaker 2: good talking to you.

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Speaker 1: Good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Everybody.

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Speaker 2: This is the Philly Show and again tune in for

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Speaker 2: future episodes.

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Speaker 1: Thanks,