1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis Buck 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Sexton Show. We appreciate all of you hanging out with 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: us all over this great country and around the world. 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: We are here with you for three hours to have 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: some fun, and there's a lot going on. We're going 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: to discuss a variety of different issues. But Buck, yesterday 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: in particular felt like a significant day in the battle 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: for sanity in America when two things I noticed CNN 10 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: did and I'm curious if this was noted by you 11 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: in the same way. While we've got this World Economic 12 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: Forum going on in Davos, We're gonna play you some 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: audio of the disinformation misinformation panel that was and sometimes 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: you're getting to make this stuff up hosted by Fired 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: Reliable Sources host Brian Stelter, formerly of esp of CNN. 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: But CNN had two stories yesterday. One they had Lena 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: Winn on their new morning show Don Lemon, Caitlin Collins, 18 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: Poppy Harlow, I think is that show? And they had 19 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: Lena win on and she said, and this came on 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: the heels of the Washington Post editorial that she wrote, Hey, guys, 21 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: were wildly overcounting COVID deaths. Buck you and I've been 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: making that argument literally for three years. The data has 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: been clear that if you got in a car accident, died, 24 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: but then tested positive while you were in the hospital 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: in the process of dying from your car accident, you 26 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: were counted as a COVID death. And suddenly Lena Winn 27 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: wrote this piece at Washington Post, and we make fun 28 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: of it, but there probably were people reading at the 29 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: Washington Post who saw that argument and said, oh wow, 30 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: I never thought of that, or I'd never heard of 31 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: this idea. And then she went on CNN and she 32 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: made the same argument, and we played that audio for 33 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: you yesterday on the program, Hey, We're wildly overcounting COVID desks. 34 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: And then last night suddenly CNN has probably a three 35 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: or four thousand word expose on Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, 36 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: the Biden brothers, and the idea that they were engaging 37 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: the Bidens in uh basically selling of the family name 38 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: and profiting in an untoward manner. Both of those are 39 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: happening in the same twelve hours. I just the way 40 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: that they talk about selling the family name people need 41 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: to understand that it's not a branding rights deal when 42 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: they when they're they're selling the perception at least of 43 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: access sometime if you did this right, right, but if 44 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: you did this in a different context, like if you 45 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: were somebody who was giving the mayor of a city 46 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: half a million dollars under the table and saying, hey, 47 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: when I want a meeting on those big contracts coming up, Yeah, 48 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna get me that meeting. Right. That is illegal. 49 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: This is not just unseemly. And listen to this quote. 50 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: This is from the CNN article about Biden focusing on 51 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: his brother Frank. A year after Biden was elected, his 52 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: youngest brother, Frank boasted in a speech to medical professionals 53 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: gathered in Boston of quote the bully pulpit, he was 54 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: afforded due to my brother Joey and vowed to help 55 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: attendees get federal dollars. That is an explicit in many ways, promise, 56 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: it's a quid pro quo. Yeah, it's super And so 57 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: that's a CNN article, And so Buck, I'm curious when 58 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: you see this happening, because because we talked about it 59 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: yesterday with Elina Winn. But now Biden. I mean, these 60 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: are things that had been widely discussed for years among 61 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: our audience. But it's possible that CNN, the Washington Post, 62 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: that audience doesn't know it what's going on, that they're 63 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: pulling the blinders off all of a sudden. So I 64 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: think we have to separate this into for our disguise. 65 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: Should hear two trunches, you know, two batches that are interlinked, 66 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: but but I want to deal with them a little 67 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: bit separate. There's just the general misinformation and the Davo 68 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: situation and the COVID and all these other things, and 69 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: then there's the Biden specific misinformation, or rather the revelation. 70 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: You know, recently people have said, oh wow, the fifty 71 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: one intelligence officers. I talked to Judge nine about this 72 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: on Fox last night. Everybody knew that the laptop was real. 73 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: Nobody thought the laptop was fake. I mean, they got 74 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: photos of Hunter Biden dancing around, you know, in his 75 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: tidy Whitey's with a boa on and doing things with prostitutes. 76 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: This was not a Russian disinformation campaign. But I can't tell, 77 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: and A don't want to move back to the misinformation component. 78 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm caught between this is the apparatus preparing to push 79 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: Biden aside, or this is the apparatus getting it out 80 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: of the way early in twenty twenty three. Just yeah, 81 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: just sort of let it all fly. Okay, the documents, Okay, 82 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: the Biden selling stuf because this is how they do things. 83 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: It's all about mass perception manipulation. So I don't know 84 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: if you have and we can come back to this 85 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: a theory on that, but because I'm caught between them 86 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: depending on when someone asked me on the misinformation piece, 87 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: and we should get to the fact that Brad Stelter 88 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: have you ever met Stelter? By the way, Oh man, 89 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: he's exactly He's exactly what you'd expect for the shows 90 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: like hey dude, come out by chef Brian Stelter. As 91 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: the misinformations are actually makes or speaker makes a lot 92 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: of sense. But the notion that we should still be 93 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,559 Speaker 1: having conversations misinformation should be a dirty word now. People 94 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: should think whenever they here misinformation. Oh you mean when 95 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: one side of the political aisle pretends that there is 96 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: like an imminent threat to life and limb from things 97 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: that are untrue, so they have to suppress them. But 98 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: that's not actually true. They've been wrong. This is the 99 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: challenge that we have now everybody. They want a police 100 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: misinformation more than ever, Clay, more aggressively than ever. But 101 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: they've been wrong repeatedly. As you said, They've been wrong 102 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: on Lena Win. They've been wrong in Russia collusion, wrong 103 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: and wrong again. And so I try to always peel 104 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: back because I know there's a lot of our audience 105 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: that's been red pilled. Because once you see and for 106 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: those of you out there who don't know their matrix reference, 107 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: once you see one form of dishonesty, something that you 108 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: know to be untrue, and you start to die deeper. 109 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,119 Speaker 1: You see more and more of these untruths. But Buck, 110 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: there are tens of millions of people that watched that 111 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: CNN interview with Lena Winn, I mean, read her columns 112 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: over the years, and also read that CNN piece on 113 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden and the Biden crime family, and may not 114 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: have even been exposed to the fact that those stories exist, right, 115 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,559 Speaker 1: I mean, I say, there's tens of millions of people 116 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: out there in the country that have no idea COVID 117 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: deaths have been Can I modify that a little bit, 118 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: that thought just a little bit, I would add to it. 119 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: I think it's that they thought they were in a 120 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: position to entirely discount whatever they saw. You know, that 121 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: they were so dismissive so immediately of it because of misinformation, 122 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: that it never registered with them the possibility that it 123 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: could be true. I don't think that there are that 124 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: many people who are well informed who weren't aware that 125 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 1: there were some people making these arguments. But they weren't 126 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: aware that there were serious, intelligent, honest people making these 127 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's still a little 128 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: bit of a modifier. I think there's a lot of 129 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: people who are just super busy, and they're like, I 130 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: trust the New York Times to tell me what matters. 131 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: I trust CNN to tell me what matters. Could you 132 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: and I when we make the argument, hey they're overcounting 133 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: COVID deaths, we understand the totality of the argument, right. 134 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: We're not just saying, hey, we're on this side, we 135 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: know what the other side is arguing. I think there 136 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: are tens of billions of people that don't even know 137 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: what you and I argue on a daily basis. So 138 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: even if you're and you and I both read the 139 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: the you know, the enemies broadsheets and talking points every day. 140 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 1: We have to I mean, I read the New York Times, 141 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: I read CNN. I have to be aware of what 142 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: they're saying. But they were constantly calling out as part 143 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: of the campaign to suppress the misinformation. They would say, oh, 144 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: look there are people who are talking about hydroxy chloroquine. 145 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: Oh look there are people who are saying there's some 146 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: federal scheme. So I mean, I don'd matter all that much, 147 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: but I think I think they were aware that some 148 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: of these things had been said, but I think they 149 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: were in a position to just entirely sweep it away. 150 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: And now that it's real, they're like, what do you 151 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: mean Do you think they were aware of people like 152 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: doctor Marty McCarry, like doctor Units from Stanford, these people 153 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: who are making some of these art. No, they were 154 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: not aware of. That is the differences. And they use 155 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: because everybody's busy. They use like this brand associational of 156 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: the New York Times or CNN or MSNBC as a 157 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: badge of honor, and they trust that they are smarter 158 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: than everybody else. Yes, is a big part that is 159 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: the brand. By the way, that is the brand they sell. 160 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: You read us because you're smart, You're a league. It's 161 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: a lie more. You are better than all those red 162 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: state roubes. And I think one of the big difficulties 163 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: in terms of the cognitive disassociation. Now, it's not just 164 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: that they were wrong, it's that dumb people were right, 165 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: like the people that they look down on, the people 166 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: that they've been making fun of. All you people in 167 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: Red states who don't know anything. Oh wait, they actually 168 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: got everything right on COVID. They're years ahead of this story. 169 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: And so I want to play this audio for you, 170 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: but I want everybody out there thinking about this because 171 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: I think it's a big part of the digory of 172 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. I think the point you just made 173 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: is absolutely essential to an understanding of how there's such 174 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: a stubbornness and obstinacy to look at objective reality. More 175 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: than anything else. It's I'm a New York Times subscriber 176 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: who lives in the Northeast to sell a corridor or 177 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: on the west coast of the US, I'm smarter than 178 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: all those people in Texas and Oklahoma or whatever who 179 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: didn't get the shot. No they're not. Actually, that's the problem, 180 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: they'll never admit it, and how do you reconcile that? 181 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: Over the course of twenty twenty three, because CNN suddenly 182 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: is coming out and saying, oh, yeah, the whole Biden 183 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: crime family stories, those are pretty much true. And oh, 184 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: by the way, they have been wildly exaggerating COVID deaths, 185 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: and we're gonna play a little bit later for you. 186 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg, I mean, he's a smart guy, one of 187 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: the most creative geniuses of his generation. I think, the 188 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: greatest director of our of our life, of your well, 189 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: of my lifetime. I can't speak for you. Yeah, yeah, 190 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: old men like me, but yeah, I think that's fair. 191 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Steven Spielberg is wildly successful, creative genius when 192 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: it comes to making films. He bought into the fauci 193 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: worldview that everybody was gonna die of COVID. We're gonna 194 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: play that for you later. How do these people reconcile? Oh, 195 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: somebody that I looked down on in Mississippi living in 196 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: the Delta on a tiny farm, was way better at 197 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: analyzing risk than I was as a Los Angeles kingmaker. 198 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: In the world of film, I'm using Spielberg is a 199 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: small example of this, but it is intriguing. Now Here 200 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: is Brian Stelter. I mean, the idea that you would 201 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: have this world economic form going on, and you would 202 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: have a panel on disinformation, and that you would pick 203 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: Brian Stelter of CNN to air. It is evidence of 204 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: this cognitive disassociation, this lack of understanding of how much 205 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: they got wrong. But I want you to listen to 206 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: this and then maybe when we come back what the 207 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: New York Times publisher himself is saying, because I think 208 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: it goes to the essence of this as well. But 209 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: here's Brian Stelter. The clear and present danger of disinformation 210 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: is our conversation here this afternoon. It follows a session 211 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: just now about disrupting distrusts, and of course those are connected. 212 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: So I hope that's where we can start. I'm Brian Stelter, 213 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: formerly of CNN, now a fellow at Harvard University. We 214 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: can try to put some real information out into the 215 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: world to make up for all the crazy. With regards 216 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: to twenty sixteen and Trump' showing that lion works, has 217 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: that only become more true in the last six years? 218 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: Do you see evidence that it's less true? Hopefully now. 219 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: But haven't we seen many Democrats in the last six 220 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: years pressuring Facebook and Twitter and now TikTok to be 221 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: stronger in content moderation. Hasn't that been a wave that 222 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: we've seen crash over for years now? I think there's 223 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: something honestly sociopathic about the mindset of Democrats when it 224 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: comes to this, because not only were they enormously wrong, 225 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: and I would note, you know, I talked to Ann 226 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: Coulter in a long form earlier this week about this clay. 227 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: One of the things that came up is how there's 228 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: not a lot of debate anymore, and I thought it 229 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: was mostly just a media phenomenon. But I think also 230 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: right now democrats are running scared from a lot of 231 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: these big arguments. Either you or I would absolutely kick 232 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: the ass of any Democrat on any of these issues 233 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: later to COVID or lockdowns or vaccines, right, they would 234 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: look foolish, They would look ridiculous, especially if you could 235 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: bring up their former clips, and yet they still act 236 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: like they didn't get any of this wrong. They fired 237 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: people from their jobs, they kept people from living normal lives, 238 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: they kept people from seeing one's dying in hospitals, and 239 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: they have no remorse over this. That's where the sociopathy 240 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: comes in. And they still think they should be policing 241 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: the truth, no doubt. And how about the fact that 242 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: Brian Stelter gets fired by CNN and hired by Harvard 243 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: and they bring him all the way to Europe to 244 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: modify a debate on disinformation misinformation. Well, what's amazing is 245 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: you are seeing this And I know this sounds extreme, 246 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: but I really do believe it because they're about to 247 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: get rid of the SATs and standardized testing, with the 248 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: end of affirmative action and a lot of the elite universities, 249 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: the woke, like a virus invaded these universities, took over 250 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: the host body, and now they're actually the point where 251 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: they're destroying them. Now they're actually at the point where 252 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: you will no longer the notion of the IVY League. 253 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: I went to the IVY League, so I'm really smart, 254 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: means nothing. It's not going to mean anything to anyone 255 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: who knows anything in ten years because if it doesn't 256 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: stand for academic excellence, nobody cares. So this is why 257 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: at Harvard, at any of these places, now increasingly, you know, 258 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: if tells me they went to one of these schools 259 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: Clay Legitimately, it does not register us anything to me. 260 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: You can go to community college or Harvard, makes no 261 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: difference to me. Their brand was we'll cut through the noise. 262 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: If our name, if we bring you onto our campus, 263 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: we're saying you are super smart. 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Go to Clay and Buck four Hillsdale dot 291 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: com and start your free course today. Clay and Buck 292 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: for Hillsdale dot com. Clay Travis at Buck Sexton making 293 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: sense in an insane world? Senator Ted Cruise, where are you, sir? 294 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: We got we gotta report suff to hear we had 295 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: Senator Ted Cruise with a flying elbow off the top 296 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: belt buckle, hitting Eric Swalwell right square in the jaw 297 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: of this one. This is a tweet from yesterday. Representative 298 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: Swalwell tweets out the following, I will make this open 299 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: bet to Ted Cruise if the Dallas Cowboys beat the 300 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: forty nine Ers, I won't tweet for the rest of January. 301 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: If the forty nine Ers win, you can't tweet Eric 302 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: Swalwell for the rest of January. I'm sorry, Ted Cruise 303 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: for the rest of January. How Texan are you? Ted? 304 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: Senator Cruiz's response to this clay was, how about we 305 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: bet a Chinese dinner instead? Ouch, Senator Cruise, I have 306 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: to report roughing the passer here taking him down. Swalwell 307 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: is just so like socially maladroit and awkward, and I 308 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,239 Speaker 1: struggled to think of him being successful in any endeavor 309 00:16:55,280 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: other than left wing politics. But I legitimately cringe. Do 310 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: you know how you like suck in your You know, like, oh, 311 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: when I saw that tweet from Cruise because it was 312 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: so well delivered, devastating also could be honest with you. 313 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: I don't like his side of the bet. I think 314 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: Swallowell's forty nine Ers, to the extent that he even 315 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: knows anything about football, are in better, are the better 316 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: team and more likely to beat the Cowboys. So I 317 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: don't like giving up uneven advantaged there Also, when's this 318 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: game being played like the twenty second uh something along 319 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: there in terms of the date. Um, they're not actually 320 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: having to be quiet for that long on their social 321 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: media feeds. Um. But yeah, I think the game's been 322 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: played on twenty second Cruise and and fuego there with 323 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: the with the Twitter roundhouse that does that Swallowell did 324 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: not see coming. I think Ted Cruise is way funnier 325 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: and less strident than his reputation is in the larger public, 326 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Um, And I think that tweet 327 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: is a great example of it. Uh, if you're I'm 328 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: gonna play this New York Times cut for you when 329 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: we come back of the publisher to kind of give 330 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: you further context by the way of how much line's 331 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: going on. But if your business has five to five 332 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: hundred employees and you manage to make it through COVID, 333 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 1: you could be eligible to receive a payroll tax rebate 334 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: of up to twenty six thousand dollars per employee, not alone, 335 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: no payback, It's a refund of your taxes. How do 336 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: you get your business this refund money? 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And 355 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to play this for you because we were 356 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: talking about just this crazy world where suddenly CNN in 357 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: the space of twelve hours yesterday said yeah, we've been 358 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: wildly overcounting COVID deaths, after we've been telling you that 359 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: for years. And also they do a four or five 360 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: thousand word expose on the Biden crime family and basically 361 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: acknowledge that the Hunter Biden laptop is real. Two. So 362 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: all these things that were supposedly feverish dreams of the 363 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: far right wing conspiracy theorists are suddenly being termed as real. 364 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, the New York Times, and I think this 365 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: is significant because the New York Times business model is 366 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: essentially to tell far left wing subscribers that they are 367 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: super smart and they're on the right side of history. 368 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: That is now their business model. They were saying, this 369 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: is these are crazy quotes here, that disinformation is leading 370 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: to the downfall of democracy, and this is like Nazi Germany, 371 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: Stalinist Russia. This is the New York Times publisher, his 372 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: family Sulzberger owns The Times. Listen, disinformation and the broader 373 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: set of misinformation, conspiracy, propaganda, clickbait, you know, the broader 374 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: mix of bad information that's corrupting the information ecosystem. What 375 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: it attacks is trust and once you see a trust decline. 376 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: What you then see is societies start to fracture, and 377 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: so you see people fracture along tribal lends, and you 378 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: know that immediately ms pluralism, and you know, the undermining 379 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: and pluralism is probably the most dangerous thing that can 380 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: happen to a democracy. Terms like fake news and enemies 381 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: that the people have been popularized cyclically in society in 382 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: some of the most repressive and dangerous moments. You know, 383 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: Nazi terminy, Stalinist Russia. Right. Can I remind everybody I 384 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: think this is important, Clay. The term fake news was 385 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: initially used in an anti Trump fashion to mock the 386 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: Rubs who were believing these things that either Trump said 387 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: or it was, Oh, the Trump voter. Essentially, this is 388 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen. The Trump voter believes the fake news. 389 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: They believe the fake news that's on Facebook. They're the ones. 390 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, in actually one of his most most noteworthy 391 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: moments of jiu jitsu, turned that around and started calling 392 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 1: CNN the fake news. But I think people forget it. 393 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: It's really important. They were trying to denigrate Trump voters, 394 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: and Trump turned it around and made it one of 395 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: the most powerful criticisms of the mainstream media. It really 396 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: got under their skin, It really bothered them. The story here, 397 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: I believe that's going to be told in fifty years, 398 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: in a hundred years, long after everybody listening today is gone. 399 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: Is I believe one of trump fear so gripping left 400 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: wing media that they became everything that they claimed Trump was. 401 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: And I think this is such an instructive lesson in history. 402 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: You have to be very careful not to become what 403 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: you hate. And what has occurred at the New York 404 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: Times and the Washington Post and MSNBC and CNN, is 405 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: they so convinced themselves that Trump was an authoritarian hellbent 406 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: on overthrowing democracy that they went and did all of 407 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: the things themselves that they claimed Trump would do. And 408 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: the number one way to think about this, and I 409 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: just believe this gets to the essence of it so well. 410 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: When Fauci said I am the science. The idea that 411 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: any one person would consider themselves to be the science 412 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: is such a fundamental rejection of everything that science stands 413 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: for and the scientific method in general. Yet they became 414 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: so convinced in their certitude, in their rightness that they 415 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: couldn't consider the other possibility. And anytime you are convinced 416 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: of your moral rectitude, that is when true crimes against 417 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: humanity happen. And Buck. This is why I've always said 418 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: terrorists aren't funny, and people say, oh, well, what do 419 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: you mean by that? Humor requires an understanding of nuance, 420 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: a form of awareness about yourself that totalitarians cannot accept. 421 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: And in this country where we're living today, who is 422 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: the most humorless among us? We're just totalitarians. They're commies. 423 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: They're just commies without the full power to have the 424 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: proletarian revolution that they would claim they want. But this 425 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: is no difference in the mindset. And that's why the 426 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: idea that I think Republicans need to lean into more 427 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: and more, and you're starting to see it some is 428 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: we're the party of humor. We're the party of jokes. 429 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: We support comedians ability to sometimes say things that might 430 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: be a little bit offensive. When we were texting about 431 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: this last night, I think we're starting to win some 432 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: of these cultural battles and it's not getting a lot 433 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: of attention. But there aren't very many people getting canceled anymore, right, 434 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: I mean, and maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we're gonna say 435 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: something on today's show and there's gonna be a huge 436 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: storm coming after us. But who was the last person 437 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: with right leaning values who has ended up getting canceled? 438 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: So I think that there's been there's definitely been a 439 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: shift on this, and it is because I believe there's 440 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: a realization now on the right for everyone who is 441 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: actually devoted to freedom, free speech principles. Freedom is a 442 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: general concept constitutional protection of individual rights, which is a 443 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: foundational precept of our freedoms. So anyone who believes in 444 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: that understands that feeding some of our own to the 445 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: woke mob never placates them, it only encourages them. Yeah, 446 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: so there is no longer this decision like neither you 447 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: nor I ever sitting here like, oh, did you see 448 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: what that guy said on TV on Newsmax. He should 449 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: never work or get like, no, we don't do that. 450 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: And because I believe I agree with you, you should 451 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: only ever apologize if you're if you offended your own 452 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: conscience or fell short of your own ideals. Because as 453 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: human beings, you know you can apologize if you make 454 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: them assay, But apologizing because of pressure absolutely not. And 455 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: now there's no more pressure from our side. Internally, I 456 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: think from people to say, well, if we if we 457 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: just police our own you know, maybe we'll meet in 458 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: the middle. We will not meet in the middle. The 459 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: left has no middle. They want totalitarian thought control. That's 460 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: where I think that's a big part of it. Yeah, 461 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: and I also think when some people don't apologize, it 462 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: emboldens other people to do two things, say what they 463 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: really think, and also if they come through the fire, 464 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: to not apologize either. And there was so much bending 465 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: of the knee that this woke cottage industry got lazy 466 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: and they just presumed, oh, if we have twenty powerful 467 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,239 Speaker 1: blue check marks come after you for some opinion that 468 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: you shared, you're gonna apologize, and we're going to basically 469 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: get the scepter of dominance. And then a lot of 470 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: people have said, no, I mean, you don't have to 471 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: agree with me on anything, but why would I apologize 472 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: to you for something that I actually believe? Well, also, 473 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: and then the other part of this that is probably 474 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: even a bigger motivation. I just I was, you know, 475 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: trying to trying to stick the landing after doing a 476 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: couple of flips there. But the basics here, everyone now 477 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: recognizes you apologize to the left, you are giving them 478 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: the proverbial rope with which they will hang you. You apologize, 479 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: you bend the need of the left. They want to 480 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: take your head. There's no more grace, there's no more forgiveness. 481 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: They just view it as racking up a metaphorical body 482 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: count of people on the other side of the ideological 483 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: spectrum that they can hold up there as examples to 484 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: the rest of you cross You better say exactly what 485 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: we tell you to say, think exactly what you tell 486 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: you to think, or else this will happen to you too. 487 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: So when you see that, I think you also recognize. 488 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to get Prince joffreed for 489 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: the or you know what I mean, yeah Joffrey. That 490 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: means well, Joffrey choked on a cake spoiler alert. But 491 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: but I mean what he did too, Oh yeah, yeah, well, 492 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: and I'll give you an example bucking sports. Some guy 493 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: got almost canceled for saying, hey, women's sports are not 494 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: as fun to watch as men's sports, and then like 495 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: people were like, oh, this is really insulted. It's like no, actually, 496 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: if you go watch a high school girls basketball game 497 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: and you go watch a high school boys basketball game 498 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: they play back to back. Objectively, the men's game is 499 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: way better. That doesn't mean the women can't play. It 500 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: doesn't mean the women can't work hard at their craft 501 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: as well. But men, when they play the same sport 502 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: as women, are better at them, and generally speaking, men's 503 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: sports are more fun to watch than women's. Is there 504 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: a sport, clay men of sports that you think the 505 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: female product of that sport as a viewer is superior 506 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: to the male product gymnastics? Interesting, I was going to say, 507 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: either beach volleyball or tennis tennis. I like women's tennis 508 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: because I prefer three sets over five, because a five 509 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: set matches like a four hour commitment. I'd rather watch 510 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: a three set match. Really true, And as a tennis 511 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: weekend warrior of who's in playings as he's a little kid, 512 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: you can get a lot more from the female professional 513 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: game as a guy, because the men's professional game is 514 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: actually more interesting to recreational players I think in a 515 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: lot of cases, I mean, not of people that play 516 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: at the very high level, but if you're a weekend warrior, 517 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: because it's closer to what you recognize as the tennis 518 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 1: that you play. So women's tennis for sure, and by 519 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: the way, they have equal purse for the US Open 520 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: and some of these other ones. But yeah, gymnastics are also. 521 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: I've actually I can't even think of a famous male gymnast, 522 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: and I just think the women's like the way that 523 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: they do women's gymnastics, like the floor routine for women, 524 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: the rings are tough to watch for men. I just 525 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: think the overall product is better for women in gymnastics. 526 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: I think for you, your argument on tennis is one 527 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: hundred percent true, because there's a lot of power and 528 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: so so many men's points are super short, you know, 529 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: one or two strokes as opposed to actually a battle. Yeah, 530 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: I mean I'm about I'm about half as fast and 531 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: significantly heavier than I used to be when I played 532 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: soccer as a young lad But I still think you 533 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: put me out there with like you know, you know, 534 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: women's national team, I'd wreck some ladies on defense. You know, 535 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: I'd get a ton. So it's just not as it's 536 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: it's like a high school level. It's like a good 537 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: high school level men's game, high level men's game, women's soccer, 538 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: for example, So it's just not as good of a 539 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: spectators school year as good of a product. Yeah, it's 540 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: just not as good. That's not anti women's sports, but 541 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: I mean that's what I'm saying, Like there were so 542 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: much fear that even if you said, like you know, 543 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: men's basketball is better than women's people, Oh, how would 544 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: you dare say that? And now it's starting to circle 545 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: back around where people can say what they really think. 546 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: I would want to play beach foiveball, but I don't 547 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: have those kind of abs, man, you gotta have abs 548 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: to play beach volleyball or listeners know all about this, 549 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: Like Manhattan Beach. 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Learn, laugh, 576 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: and join us on the weekend on our Sunday Hang 577 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: with Clay and Buck podcast Fight It on the iHeart 578 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: apt or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, Clay, 579 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: it's not over when it comes to the fight over 580 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: all things COVID. They have not given up. Vaccines are great, 581 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: they're amazing, masks work, all these things. It's still out there. 582 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: They're still trickling out there. They're still percolating in the 583 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: in the fauci ether. And we now have the possibility, 584 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put this out there, the possibility of 585 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: the appeals court in Florida, Federal Court of Appeals over 586 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: ruling because the Biden administration wants to still have the 587 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: authority to mask you up on planes. Think about that 588 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: for a second. They're still clinging to this, and the 589 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: appeals court may say, we'll see that they do have 590 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: that authority, and then I can assure or everybody they 591 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: will because their lunatic lib base demands it. Make masking 592 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: on planes seasonal, meaning it's not going to be all 593 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: the time, but when we go into cold and flu season, 594 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna do it, and they're gonna do it to 595 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: you for the next ten years if they can, or 596 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: until there's a Republican president. Clay, how do you think 597 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: the shakes out legally. It's such a good question. And 598 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: this is going on in Miami, as you mentioned, and 599 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: we should give another shout out because Judge Katherine Mizelle, 600 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: a Trump appointed judge, was the woman who said, hey, 601 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: there's no basis whatsoever to be mandating masks on airplanes, 602 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,479 Speaker 1: and her ruling so far she was just a district 603 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: court judge in Florida has ended and that was remember Buck, 604 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: April of twenty twenty two. Would the Biden administration have 605 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: ended the mask mandate on airplanes if this Florida judge 606 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: had not done it. I don't think so, Buck, I 607 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: think you would all still be required to wear masks. 608 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: It's been almost a year since her ruling initially came down. 609 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: Think about how stupid this is too. Every person now 610 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: with a tiny, tiny exception of people who are truly 611 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 1: emotionally now disabled, I mean emotionally incapable of getting through 612 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: normal life because of COVID. The people that are like 613 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: I need shot number seven and everyone I know has 614 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: long COVID and I need three masks. And you know, 615 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: there are people you come across sad actually because they're 616 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: emotionally deranged, I mean they've become incapable of handling normal life. 617 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: They all vote Democrat, by the way, they all probably 618 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: subscribe The New York times. But here we are at 619 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: a point where you would have the federal government saying 620 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 1: masking up for less than one percent of your life 621 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: and probably less than one percent of the time that 622 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: you actually are exposed to other human beings in a 623 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: confined setting is somehow going to be an effective way 624 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: of mitigating the spread of COVID. It is stupid beyond words. 625 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna have people going from crowded offices, crowded supermarkets, 626 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: crowded living conditions, whatever, get on a plane maybe what 627 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: the average person gets on a plane, I don't know, 628 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: probably once every few months or something. You got a 629 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: mask up for that, but that everything else you do 630 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: Subway Boss unmasked. It's idiotic beyond words. The Democrats still 631 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: want to do it. It was infuriating to me, and 632 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: we talked about this at the time. The only place 633 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: in my home state of Tennessee, in you know, March 634 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, before this ruling came down from 635 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: Judge Mizell, the only place you had to wear a 636 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: mask in the entire state was going into an airport, 637 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: which I mean, it was totally illogical. I'm surprised Buck 638 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: in some way that the Biden administration is fighting this 639 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: battle because if they win, and they may win over 640 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: whether they have the federal power here to your point, 641 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: their base is going to demand that they bring masks 642 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: back in airports. And you know, we haven't talked a 643 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: lot about this, but seventy percent of all white attendant 644 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: issues on airplanes vanished as soon as masks were removed, 645 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: because that was what was precipitating. Because he is deeply uncomfortable. 646 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: It is meant to be annoying. It is meant for 647 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: you to submit. It adds to your anxiety level, It 648 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: makes you uncomfortable, and it is just about bending the 649 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: knee and wearing a you know, a Fauci approved hair 650 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: shirt for all of your sins. It is lunacy. But 651 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: Clay only some governors are taking the right actions on this. 652 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: You want to get a New Week, come back, good 653 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: stuff out of Florida. We'll talk about that more. Stick 654 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: around