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Speaker 2: Mm hmmmmm, and welcome back to all the smoke.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: This is a long time coming, jack Man.
Speaker 4: I almost had some tears when he when he got
Speaker 4: out the car.
Speaker 1: Get some cheers up here too.
Speaker 3: I bothered this man the last three years.
Speaker 5: Harassed him like I felt mad at some point, like harassed,
Speaker 5: read his ass, and then we finally got big cysts
Speaker 5: on the show last.
Speaker 1: That's not why I'm doing. You said you would do it.
Speaker 1: You gave me your word. You gave me your word.
Speaker 1: Why I'm doing said when yeah, yeah, you said you
Speaker 1: see this episode or fiction.
Speaker 5: You said when you got some time, you will pull up.
Speaker 5: And man, we appreciate. We know we're right before the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 5: You told us your playoff schedule. That's incredible. But it's
Speaker 5: good to see man. Welcome to the show. Regi Miller appreciate.
Speaker 1: Smoke. Yes, I want it all by a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff. I want to tuck your ship. They might
Speaker 1: think you smoke before the show. You talk to that
Speaker 1: for your record, and Stack will probably attest to this.
Speaker 1: I have never ever hoped in my life until ever. Ever,
Speaker 1: I won't be peer pressure. There little for that. I
Speaker 1: have no problem with people that do. It's just not
Speaker 1: my thing. I get high on life and other things.
Speaker 1: It is so good to see. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: came in here to look first of all, Mad Backs.
Speaker 1: People don't know mad Box here. Yes, come on, man,
Speaker 1: I got a podcast because he's on the payroll now,
Speaker 1: brother Free Crazy certified the best podcast out there for
Speaker 1: me to be a part of it. I've known you
Speaker 1: guys for a while. I love and respect all you guys,
Speaker 1: and uh, let's get into it. What do y'all want
Speaker 1: to know from me?
Speaker 6: The feeling is definitely miche. Well, let's get this out
Speaker 6: of the way, Madison the Palace. Let's go get this
Speaker 6: part out the way. A lot's been told about it.
Speaker 6: Me personally, I'm glad to see you because this I've
Speaker 6: never had a chance to tell you that.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Just let me finish though.
Speaker 6: Because like I, we are understood what our motivation was
Speaker 6: for that season.
Speaker 4: It wasn't for us, it was for you as a whole.
Speaker 6: Motivation for getting things done the right way and getting
Speaker 6: the championship was for you. So I never got a
Speaker 6: chance to apologize you for my actions now with me
Speaker 6: saying that I love you even more because you defended me,
Speaker 6: because you knew that I was just being a lawyer teammate.
Speaker 6: I wasn't you know, I wasn't not there being a
Speaker 6: thug and nothing like that. So it meant a lot
Speaker 6: to me. But we never had a chance to talk
Speaker 6: about it during during the time has passed, so much
Speaker 6: time has passed. How have your relationship been with guys
Speaker 6: that was involved in guys that was on our team.
Speaker 1: First of all, I gotta take a drink cuz I
Speaker 1: told you I didn't want to go there.
Speaker 4: Man, I'm trying to hold mine in all right.
Speaker 1: Let me.
Speaker 3: You don't need to say to me. Man, come on, man, so.
Speaker 1: You don't need to apologize to me. First of all,
Speaker 1: you young cats, and when I say young, I mean Jamal,
Speaker 1: Jamaine Al yourself. Run Those last few years in Indiana
Speaker 1: my best years. I didn't have my superpowers, but I
Speaker 1: felt and you guys made me feel like I was
Speaker 1: super Man. We had some dogs, man, We had a
Speaker 1: squad that was arguably and I played on some Indiana
Speaker 1: teams that were destined should have could have, but always
Speaker 1: came short. That team. We were stacked. Man. We had
Speaker 1: the best interior defender in Jermaine. We had the best
Speaker 1: perimeter defender in my opinion to this day. And Ron
Speaker 1: just acquired a guy. And it's a lot like in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four when we traded for Byron Scott and
Speaker 1: I know we're going to get into mentors and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. In nineteen ninety four under Larry Brown and
Speaker 1: all that. We got Byron halfway through the season, and
Speaker 1: he taught us what winning was all about, coming from
Speaker 1: the Lakers, him being a champion. You coming having been
Speaker 1: a champion with these young guys. We had just lost
Speaker 1: to Detroit the year before without you, and we smacked
Speaker 1: them there. But you'll need to apologize because that's basketball,
Speaker 1: that's life. You know, Shit's gonna happen. And even though
Speaker 1: we were shorthanded, I mean, you were fifteen games or
Speaker 1: thirty games. Fifteen games started off at thirty though, right.
Speaker 6: No, no, I mine got thirty thirty games suspension, yeah're
Speaker 6: right was thirty.
Speaker 1: Okay, those last four to five months when we were shorthanded.
Speaker 1: Band of brothers. Like when people talk about band of brothers,
Speaker 1: I mean people forget we had to play the next
Speaker 1: night with like five or six guys because everyone was
Speaker 1: suspended still made the playoffs, and still made the playoffs.
Speaker 1: That was the best man, you young cats you know where.
Speaker 6: Racially it bothered me because after, you know, some time passed.
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with.
Speaker 6: Rick and he told me that they actually came to
Speaker 6: you before they signed me, because they knew you were
Speaker 6: on your way out, actually vouching me when I even
Speaker 6: knowing me.
Speaker 1: I knew your body of work, and that's all that
Speaker 1: mattered to me.
Speaker 6: Well, when a guy like you, Hall of Famer, one
Speaker 6: of the best to ever do it, vouch us for
Speaker 6: you somebody, I'm.
Speaker 1: Even going to take it a step further. When they
Speaker 1: came to me, I went to them and said, bring
Speaker 1: me off the bench. That dude needs to be starting.
Speaker 1: Think about what the starting five would have been with
Speaker 1: you and Ron in there. I was like, bring me
Speaker 1: off the bench, and Rick looked at me crazy.
Speaker 4: He's like, don't get ahead of yourself, same way I'm
Speaker 4: looking at you.
Speaker 1: No, but that's how I want, That's how I felt
Speaker 1: and perceived your game. I was like start him. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: think about this, and he knew I didn't have my
Speaker 1: superpowers that last year. Start, you who's going to be
Speaker 1: able to guard this dude in the second unit? And
Speaker 1: that's how I got him. We got him. That's how
Speaker 1: it was. Like, Okay, but I'm just letting y'all know
Speaker 1: I'm cool with it. If this dude is starting and
Speaker 1: I'm backing them up, well I'm all right with that.
Speaker 1: But those were people don't understand that That night was
Speaker 1: surreal because Detroit had they were the defending champs. We
Speaker 1: were coming off. In my mind, in my mind, the
Speaker 1: replay loop of Tayshawn blocking my shit. I want to
Speaker 1: get back. I'm hurt, I'm in the cast, but we're
Speaker 1: going in. See. I always prided myself doing stuff on
Speaker 1: the road. Everyone could play at home. Everyone's good, everyone
Speaker 1: talks shit. Everyone you know, you got your girl, your family, whatever. Everyone,
Speaker 1: How are you with twelve versus twenty thousand when you
Speaker 1: go into real enemy territory? That's how I always viewed myself,
Speaker 1: my game, my team, all my teammates, how are you
Speaker 1: when you go into someone else? We went into Detroit,
Speaker 1: We're like, we're going to make a statement, and we
Speaker 1: kicked the dog shit out of them. Fifteen until.
Speaker 6: Do you know, do you actually know what was said
Speaker 6: in the game, because I don't know if you ever
Speaker 6: heard that story, Jamal Tensley, I'm at the free throw line.
Speaker 1: Yes, he tells Ron you can get you, you can
Speaker 1: get your look back.
Speaker 4: I'll turn around like bro, yeah, I'm like.
Speaker 6: So when I heard that Ron was going and Ben,
Speaker 6: when I worked, I after I made the free throw,
Speaker 6: you see, I ran back down and pushed Ron off
Speaker 6: and I guarded Ben and when he got they threw
Speaker 6: the ball to Bend. I just let it's a toke
Speaker 6: turnin it now, so I just let him score. And
Speaker 6: that's when Ron got the file. Anyway, what even guard?
Speaker 1: But what was the look back? What happened? What it
Speaker 1: led to?
Speaker 6: It was something from the previous then the finals, these
Speaker 6: commerce final year before the rivalry was built there. I
Speaker 6: wasn't there, so I didn't know. But you know, I'm lawyer,
Speaker 6: and that's how it started.
Speaker 1: Which to a point, they didn't like us. We didn't
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, all right, I mean that's what it is,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 1: I get I get it. But then once if people
Speaker 1: again go back to the tape and by the way,
Speaker 1: you and Jail did a great job of putting this
Speaker 1: all in words and film on the Netflix Malice Palace.
Speaker 1: I'm over there with Ron, just stroking him while he's
Speaker 1: laying on the scores table, thinking everything is diffused. Everyone's talking.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how you know. Little scrums go, everyone
Speaker 1: puffs out their chest and everyone breaks it up, and tech, carey,
Speaker 1: double tech, Let's shoot some free throws. Let's get on
Speaker 1: out of here. That's what we thought until because Ron
Speaker 1: didn't even see the cup coming, I did and slow
Speaker 1: three D motion flying down bam. And then I said
Speaker 1: to myself, oh, he was gone. Bam. He turned into
Speaker 1: the Hulk. He turned green, and I tried to grab him,
Speaker 1: but he was gone, and I said to myself, it's
Speaker 1: right or die. I mean, I didn't care about myself.
Speaker 1: I had to get him back in the safety somewhere
Speaker 1: on the floor, and I didn't care about suspensions at
Speaker 1: that point. I don't even know when you jumped in,
Speaker 1: did you go? When he went? As soon as I
Speaker 1: saw him go, I hopped over.
Speaker 4: I'm gone. So I went right after.
Speaker 1: Him, and it was I mean, people think it lasted
Speaker 1: like you know, twenty minutes, fifteen minutes, it was like
Speaker 1: a minute and a half, two minutes. Then it was quick.
Speaker 1: It was quick, but there was a lot of damage
Speaker 1: done in that minute and a half. I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I think Chuck person. Somehow we got Ron back on
Speaker 1: the floor and it was even crazier on the floor
Speaker 1: with you. The police tried to them to come up,
Speaker 1: has his mace out and getting ready to spray Ron,
Speaker 1: and I I'm like, what is your problem? And he's like,
Speaker 1: we got to calm this situation down. I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: you do. You see all those people that are coming
Speaker 1: down the Yeah, we got this. We're at Center Court.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, it was and then trying to get
Speaker 1: into the tunnel and the beer and the popcorn and
Speaker 1: the spit then it was it was bananas and it's funny.
Speaker 1: When it went down. The fans are deplorable. This is unacceptable.
Speaker 1: How can this happen? Immediately that's when we were in
Speaker 1: the locker room. It's all about the fans. By the
Speaker 1: time we landed in Indiana, I felt we were all
Speaker 1: headed to Rikers Island. Yeah, but they flipped the whole narrative.
Speaker 1: Every everybody getting arrested were getting arrested. Stern Stern called
Speaker 1: someone like, nah, it was it was us. We were
Speaker 1: the villains. And I mean you started by saying calling
Speaker 1: yourself or someone called you a thug. I don't like
Speaker 1: that word. I don't like that word because they tried
Speaker 1: to put us under certain stereotypes African American black, however
Speaker 1: you want to call us, and it painted us as
Speaker 1: they painted a picture of us that was not accurate.
Speaker 1: Something we're not something none of us were. All of
Speaker 1: us weren't, and it hurts some of us. You know,
Speaker 1: nothing's guaranteed. Championships aren't guaranteed. You know, you gotta chip,
Speaker 1: you gotta chip, Max gotta chips. I came close. I
Speaker 1: could never get over the mountaintops. It's not guaranteed we
Speaker 1: would have won that year, but damn it, I would
Speaker 1: have loved to have seen us at full strength against
Speaker 1: whom ever, matter, whomever, because, like I said, we had everything.
Speaker 1: We had scoring, we had defense, we could play slow,
Speaker 1: we could play fast with Jamal, we could play big,
Speaker 1: we could play small.
Speaker 3: Was Jonathan Bender there at the time. Yes, we had youth.
Speaker 1: I was the old head. We had everything. We were
Speaker 1: well coached, you know, Carlisle Championship coach himself. But don't
Speaker 1: you ever apologize to me or anyone else. That's life,
Speaker 1: that's basketball. Shit happens. Man. I was honored to be
Speaker 1: on that team again. Y'all made me feel like Superman.
Speaker 1: And I mean just being around you cats every day
Speaker 1: in practice, it was. It was a different I came from,
Speaker 1: you know, I came from Chris Mullen and Mark Jackson,
Speaker 1: Derrick McKee. I mean, we were Sam Perkins. We were
Speaker 1: an old team that went to the chant not old,
Speaker 1: but veteran old, old team. And then once we got
Speaker 1: to the finals and lost to the Lakers, Jermaine comes
Speaker 1: in and Al Harrington. We drafted Al. I mean we
Speaker 1: went younger. Larry's gone, Larry Bird is gone, Isaiah's in.
Speaker 1: So it was a different vibe, different and that's just
Speaker 1: how it was. And I said to myself, how can
Speaker 1: I get Jermaine and Al Harrington, baby Al Jonathan? How
Speaker 1: can I get these young guys thinking like veterans and
Speaker 1: turn the switch as quickly as possible Because I only
Speaker 1: had some I knew I only had so many years left.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, I wrote them hard. I talked
Speaker 1: shit to them a lot because I wanted to see
Speaker 1: the name of the show, all the smoke. I want
Speaker 1: to see if they can handle it, because if they
Speaker 1: can't handle it for me in practice, how on the
Speaker 1: hell are they going to handle going into the garden,
Speaker 1: going into Philly with Ai, going playing Detroit the New Bat.
Speaker 1: I mean, how a y'all going to handle that? Y'all
Speaker 1: can't handle me riding you every single day in practice.
Speaker 1: That's my job is to ride y'all, get you to
Speaker 1: a place where nothing fazes you. And they did, and
Speaker 1: you know, with the help of my David boys, because
Speaker 1: Al was with us, with with Dale and Antonio, so
Speaker 1: he was around them a lot. Same with Crow and
Speaker 1: Jeff Foster Feisty, so they were around they understood. You know,
Speaker 1: when we walk, we walk with their chest out. We
Speaker 1: talk ship. We don't don't ever take a step back, man,
Speaker 1: don't take a step back anything, take two steps forward.
Speaker 1: That's why when me going in the stands, you go
Speaker 1: in the stands, we're taking step forwards. Man. I ain't
Speaker 1: taking a step back. Okay, you can find me, you
Speaker 1: can suspend me, you can talk shit about me all
Speaker 1: you want, but I'm gonna do what's right. That's my
Speaker 1: teammate that's going out there who just got assaulted with
Speaker 1: a cup full of beer. You don't know what was
Speaker 1: in that, and he's going to go handle this business.
Speaker 1: I have to go. I have to go because if
Speaker 1: you don't go later on in the locker room and
Speaker 1: you know, the whole locker rooms are you don't want to
Speaker 1: be called out man, you know, and then here's what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. But he's gonna come. Film sasters like this. Coaches,
Speaker 1: y'all go, y'all, y'all can go. We're good and slow mo,
Speaker 1: what's you doing? Where are you hold on? Was like,
Speaker 1: where are you? Let me? I'll rewind it. So what
Speaker 1: did you say? You said you were aware holding each
Speaker 1: other accountable. That's why, that's why I wanted to get
Speaker 1: the young gig. We had to hold each other accountable,
Speaker 1: and then started with the young guys. I got to
Speaker 1: hold them accountable because they'll understand later on. You know,
Speaker 1: you had already wanted Chip because I'm sure Timmy, Steve Smith,
Speaker 1: Steve Smith, they all held you accountable. And you got
Speaker 1: to hold the young guys accountable because they're coming in young,
Speaker 1: loose a lot of talent, but they don't they don't know,
Speaker 1: don't know how to be a professional. They don't know
Speaker 1: how to be a professional. I'll being on time. That
Speaker 1: was for me. The best thing in my career that
Speaker 1: happened being drafted by Indiana was I came in with
Speaker 1: a lot of old dudes, Herb Williams, Verne Fleming, Clint Cherson,
Speaker 1: Steve Stapanovich, and my biggest mentor of all time there,
Speaker 1: John Long. I don't know if he was the two
Speaker 1: guard and he had played eighteen years himself mainly was
Speaker 1: Isaiah and them in Detroit, and he knew he was
Speaker 1: just a place soldier until I took over. I never
Speaker 1: started a game my rookie year. I played anywhere from
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty minutes, sometimes more, sometimes less. But every
Speaker 1: game John in nineteen eighty seven, eighty eight, and this
Speaker 1: is you know when you just had VHS. It's every game.
Speaker 1: Go over the scouty report, go over who you're playing,
Speaker 1: their tendencies, every single who to talk shit to, who
Speaker 1: not to talk shit to? This is what you can
Speaker 1: get away with. This official says this every game. He
Speaker 1: was thirty eight at a time. I'm twenty one, and
Speaker 1: I hung on every word. You want to stay in
Speaker 1: this This is what you have to do. Film work,
Speaker 1: prep is key and that's how I was molded. That's
Speaker 1: how I was taught. You come early, you stay late.
Speaker 1: When practice is over. Practice is not over right, you're young,
Speaker 1: Actually not over. Practice is almost starting. You have a
Speaker 1: two hour practice, and back then there were two and
Speaker 1: a half three hours because there was no regulation like
Speaker 1: there is now. You're done with your three hour practice,
Speaker 1: you have another forty five minutes hour of shooting that you.
Speaker 5: Gotta do and then wait sometimes too Red, Why do
Speaker 5: you think that the NBA moved away from veteran leadership
Speaker 5: and presence? We've harped our five years on this show,
Speaker 5: as I feel like that's what one of the things
Speaker 5: that the league is missing is. As you just spoke
Speaker 5: to how important every word that your ogs gave you
Speaker 5: when you first came in the game. Why do you
Speaker 5: think the NBA has moved away from that?
Speaker 1: Well? Number one, I think the physicality in the game
Speaker 1: has moved away. Where is the veterans? That's what veterans
Speaker 1: because they've seen and done just about everything. And I think,
Speaker 1: let's face that the league has gotten younger. You know,
Speaker 1: when guys started to come out of high school and
Speaker 1: they stopped that then yet to go to college for
Speaker 1: one years. So now you're nineteen or twenty coming in,
Speaker 1: So the league got younger, and I just don't think
Speaker 1: there's a point of it, like for me looking at
Speaker 1: the heat and then winning them championships to have you
Speaker 1: Donnis Haslam on that team, who may have played one
Speaker 1: hundred career minutes out of those eighteen years. But Pat
Speaker 1: Lay said, nope. You sit your ass on that bench
Speaker 1: and you make sure that locker room is tight, and
Speaker 1: if anyone takes out d Wade, anyone takes out Lebron,
Speaker 1: you need that. You need that for championship. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: one every team had them. And the physicality in our
Speaker 1: game is gone because you go to the replay now,
Speaker 1: so you can't get away with the check an elbow
Speaker 1: because now guys are flopping and if you stay on
Speaker 1: the floor long enough, they have to report the don't
Speaker 1: look at the replay up right. Before you used to
Speaker 1: be able to chuck hold hit. It was a must
Speaker 1: max the biggest thing. And the players are different.
Speaker 3: What is this called.
Speaker 1: Cross fire? Right? So I had to go across instead
Speaker 1: of screen on shot? Patrick Ewing on Elijah one cross five,
Speaker 1: cross five, I'm one eighty going. And you had to
Speaker 1: again because if you don't in the locker room, you
Speaker 1: can't set it. You can't set a screen, you can't
Speaker 1: get me free. So you had to sacrifice your body absolutely.
Speaker 6: And if you if you didn't meet guys like Shack
Speaker 6: at the free throw line of damn, the three point line.
Speaker 1: You buried. You can't do nothing with nothing you can do.
Speaker 1: You had to meet them up there. Nothing you can do,
Speaker 1: and you you had to take your lips. You had
Speaker 1: to take your punishment. You had to can't be a
Speaker 1: punk man. It's different. I respect some of the aspects
Speaker 1: of the game now, but it's funny because starting now,
Speaker 1: starting Saturday, the officials are gonna call it a different
Speaker 1: way now. So for five months, it was freedom of
Speaker 1: a movement. You could do. You can shoot all the
Speaker 1: threes you want. So starting Saturday, all those fouls that
Speaker 1: Shaye thinks he was getting all that's gonna stop because
Speaker 1: they're gonna championships win on defense. So it's gonna be
Speaker 1: much more physical. We saw that in that playing game
Speaker 1: with Memphis in Golden State, how physical that was. They
Speaker 1: let a lot go that's just how it is because
Speaker 1: they let the players decide. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: riding on this. During the regular season, they want fans
Speaker 1: to come in, they want one hundred and thirties and
Speaker 1: forties and threes and oh my god, this is so great.
Speaker 1: But come playoff time, how the points start to go
Speaker 1: down and officials are told swallow that. Suck on that
Speaker 1: laws in general a little bit, sucking on it a
Speaker 1: little bit. We'll get back to playing.
Speaker 5: But transitioning into sports media while you were playing, what
Speaker 5: was your thought process and when did that When did
Speaker 5: that come into into fuish and that was something you
Speaker 5: wanted to try.
Speaker 1: Well, what was cool that Cheryl was a part of it.
Speaker 1: Cheryl was working with first ABC and then she transitioned
Speaker 1: over to T ANDT, so she was covering a lot
Speaker 1: of our games. So having to see how she prepped
Speaker 1: and being a part of that, I knew it's going
Speaker 1: to be an easy transition. And I got my feet wet,
Speaker 1: feet wet. Which was great. Is when the w NBA started,
Speaker 1: and people forget the inaugural season, there was three networks
Speaker 1: I believe it was ABC, maybe NBC and Lifetime and
Speaker 1: Cheryl and I were part of Lifetime Television and the
Speaker 1: inaugural WNBA year, Michelle Defoyle was our play by play
Speaker 1: and so that's how I got my feet wet of
Speaker 1: calling games and prepping and were you've done? Are you
Speaker 1: still playing? Oh? I was still playing? Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: ninety seven ninety eight. Have my superpowers, But I'm calling
Speaker 1: women's games. And they told us then, since it was
Speaker 1: a new game and we were introducing them, they didn't
Speaker 1: want us to talk x's and o's for the women's
Speaker 1: They want us to tell us stories. And so I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, that's great. So that kind of taught
Speaker 1: me mix in x's and o's of pick and roll
Speaker 1: or drops or whatever, but tell stories as well. So
Speaker 1: I was able to benefit from having both sides covering
Speaker 1: the WNBA. And then once that last year, I knew
Speaker 1: it was up. I knew I was going into this
Speaker 1: type of feature and I just didn't know with who
Speaker 1: at the time.
Speaker 5: Joining NBC Sports as their first season back as a
Speaker 5: league partner after being on the other side for so long,
Speaker 5: what is that going to be like for you?
Speaker 1: I've had some of my best moments as a player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right right, that they're bringing that back. So to be
Speaker 1: a part of NBC and to be on network. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been on cable for the last nineteen years. It's
Speaker 1: different to be and you're on network. Can you believe
Speaker 1: that thirty seven years in professional basketball, eighteen as a
Speaker 1: player and nineteen my only two things I've known for
Speaker 1: thirty seven years. It's two organizations, Pacers and Turnings, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, God is good. God has been really good
Speaker 1: for me to have almost forty years in the professional space,
Speaker 1: and to have the best seats in the house, to
Speaker 1: be surrounded by great people, to be able to come
Speaker 1: on podcasts like this. It's a blessing because nothing is
Speaker 1: guaranteed in life. You know, I told you guys out
Speaker 1: there about fact or fiction. You know, having Cheryl no man,
Speaker 1: that's right. Y'all can talk all you want about who's
Speaker 1: the greatest? All right, brother, that's right? I know first
Speaker 1: head see mm hmm. Not many people I can say
Speaker 1: they grew up in a household with the greatest of anything. Right.
Speaker 1: I can tell people I grew up in the house
Speaker 1: with the greatest woman's basketball player ever. All good to
Speaker 1: my grave was that. Can y'all understand how good and
Speaker 1: how talented. She was it is as a person and
Speaker 1: as a storyteller. You guys know she was here some
Speaker 1: of those battles. See when we're playing factor fiction, I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you why the DNA is where it is.
Speaker 1: I blame herl a little bit, but I blame our
Speaker 1: older brothers more so. They're eight or nine years older
Speaker 1: than us. Saw Junior and Darryl Darrel, as you guys know,
Speaker 1: played professional baseball for the Angels. Saw the oldest, followed
Speaker 1: my dad into the Air Force, was there for twenty
Speaker 1: five years. Saw Junior is the best athlete out of
Speaker 1: all of us. People just don't know it because he
Speaker 1: never played. He never did anything those two on two games.
Speaker 1: And the problem is, since Saul was the oldest, he
Speaker 1: always got to pick who he was playing with. So
Speaker 1: he always picked Sheryl Darrel's a baseball guy, and he
Speaker 1: was stuck with me and I was stuck garden Cheryl,
Speaker 1: and he was torching Durrels Saul Junior those games in
Speaker 1: the backyard of two on two. That's so I don't
Speaker 1: fear anything. If you guys have older brothers and a
Speaker 1: military dad, I don't fear anything.
Speaker 5: When did that tide start to turn for you in
Speaker 5: those games.
Speaker 1: A well, Cheryl was always taller than I was younger,
Speaker 1: but the tide factor fiction. I would say my freshman year,
Speaker 1: she's one years older, Charl's one year older, and I've
Speaker 1: seen her do things because we used to go looking
Speaker 1: her and I. We went. We go all around the
Speaker 1: I E. Because we wanted, We wanted everyone. We'd go
Speaker 1: to Banning, We went to all the bad dagors, Banning,
Speaker 1: Ruberto Samburudino, and we went looking like, we don't look
Speaker 1: look for another. We weren't looking for dudes. We want
Speaker 1: to play, y'all. Let's go, y'all think, y'all, let's go,
Speaker 1: and we'd get into scraps and things, and then before
Speaker 1: cell phones fight broke out, we had to get to
Speaker 1: a payphone to call sault. Hey, it's pop it out.
Speaker 1: We need help, we need they come on down. Other
Speaker 1: than that, y'all handle your business. So that's how we
Speaker 1: that's how the DNA of like we always went looking
Speaker 1: for games. We always went looking, and that just built
Speaker 1: up that tenacity of always coming. And we didn't win
Speaker 1: on them all. But he was in it, got in it.
Speaker 1: We were in it. But people don't understand. I love
Speaker 1: Maya Moore. She might be next on my list, Candace
Speaker 1: Diana Trossi. I love them all, but I'm telling you, guys,
Speaker 1: one is my camera man. And here's the thing. One
Speaker 1: Cynthia Cooper was coming off the bench. She was right.
Speaker 1: I mean, she was their sixth man. With the McGee
Speaker 1: twins and Cheryl, I mean, they had they were cold,
Speaker 1: they were outdrawing the men. It was like literally a show.
Speaker 1: It was. It was like magic and Kareem and James.
Speaker 1: It was. It was that they were that big and
Speaker 1: they were just and I love the women's game. Is there?
Speaker 1: Finally it's there?
Speaker 3: Yes, But I've known.
Speaker 1: This my whole life. I'm like, now y'all want to
Speaker 1: jump on board. You grew up with it. Now y'all
Speaker 1: want to jump on board? Does it?
Speaker 5: Does it pain you a little bit that she didn't
Speaker 5: get her chance to play in the w.
Speaker 1: I just wish you know, in today's social media environment
Speaker 1: and landscape, everyone has YouTube and clips and all that
Speaker 1: they they have, they haven't seen her. And that that's
Speaker 1: what burns me, because trust me, I've seen it up
Speaker 1: close personally against me.
Speaker 5: You've seen jumpings in your face, and it just wasn't me,
Speaker 5: by the way, in Riverside, it just wasn't me.
Speaker 1: I wasn't the only guy I've seen it. And she
Speaker 1: would put on absolute clinics and barely breaking a sweat.
Speaker 1: It was like easy for her, and there was there
Speaker 1: was only one one woman. She raised an eyebrow that
Speaker 1: was like, oh, And I asked her about this, Lynnette Wad.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know I heard the
Speaker 1: name for sure.
Speaker 6: She's actually the all time league scorer, right, yes, that
Speaker 6: Caitlin just broke Sherylwood raise an eyebrow like I might
Speaker 6: have to go to bed early.
Speaker 1: That night. Everyone else she was like next, She didn't next,
Speaker 1: no one. Where did you guys' passion come from? You?
Speaker 1: Pops grew up in the in the We grew up
Speaker 1: traveling a lot, being a military family. We lived in
Speaker 1: mark Knock, North Dakota, Nebraska, Omaha, Nebraska. We settled in Riverside,
Speaker 1: growing up in a military household. For those of you
Speaker 1: who don't know, yes, sir, no sir, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am.
Speaker 1: Everyone had chores, Everyone had something to do, respect, being
Speaker 1: on time, honor. You say you're gonna do something, to
Speaker 1: do something. If you don't like something, you don't like
Speaker 1: a coach.
Speaker 3: So make it work. None of this, I'm gonna leave.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: I mean there were some coaches I played with in
Speaker 1: college and in the professionals. I'm not gonna go to
Speaker 1: Donnie Moffs. I'm gonna I have to make it work.
Speaker 1: So you So that discipline came from saw Miller senior
Speaker 1: because he didn't play. And I think we were more
Speaker 1: scared of our mom than we were him, because she
Speaker 1: was a reflection of Pops and she was to stay
Speaker 1: at home. He worked at March Air Force Base, and
Speaker 1: we knew not to get out of line because no
Speaker 1: one wanted to see that switch or belt. Sorry, y'all,
Speaker 1: that's what happened back there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it used to be the worst my dad, but
Speaker 5: my mom was the same. To stay at home, mom,
Speaker 5: And if I fucked around too much and he didn't
Speaker 5: want to get heard whooping and he go sit in
Speaker 5: your room. Your dad gets home, that's the worst.
Speaker 6: One of the worst ones is too, when they make
Speaker 6: you go get picked with picket.
Speaker 1: Yeah out there, I wanted about this long.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you haven't had the one when when you
Speaker 4: they wait till you get out the tub.
Speaker 6: At the tub and they come in there with the bill. Oh,
Speaker 6: that's the worst one. That's that's the worst one. So
Speaker 6: that's sorry, mom.
Speaker 1: That's how the DNA started in the family. It was
Speaker 1: obviously the military background, but my brothers they molded charl
Speaker 1: and I and Tammy. Tammy's three years younger than me,
Speaker 1: but they they helped mold us. They don't get enough
Speaker 1: credit for what they were doing was making us competitive,
Speaker 1: making us com everything clue, no spades, everything was everything
Speaker 1: was a game, everything the good old days.
Speaker 5: Any truth that your form came from trying to shoot
Speaker 5: over Sheryl, talk to us about that fact.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fact, because again she was three to four
Speaker 1: inches taller than than I was trying to get over her.
Speaker 1: Boom boom, How on the hellme? So I would step
Speaker 1: back further boom. So then I started the I was
Speaker 1: able to get a high arc and for some reason
Speaker 1: long way because I wasn't strong enough is I crossed
Speaker 1: my hands and it just Jack knows the click, and
Speaker 1: that's how that started. I started moving further back and then,
Speaker 1: like I said, just in ninth grade when I we
Speaker 1: were almost the same height. That's when it took off.
Speaker 1: First step came shooting was down and but that's fact. Yes,
Speaker 1: her blocking my stuff. You just said some.
Speaker 6: Why is this generation making it seem like the step
Speaker 6: back shot is just coming?
Speaker 1: I know you've been doing it forever, and I got
Speaker 1: it a lot from Kicky Vandaway okay, from U C.
Speaker 1: L A. From our one on one battles. He was like,
Speaker 1: this is this is an unstoppable move and if you
Speaker 1: can do it left and right, you'll play a long time.
Speaker 1: So that's where I really honed it in. But I've
Speaker 1: been doing it. That's now a lot of the guys today,
Speaker 1: I can't know what the Travelers not four steps James
Speaker 1: Harden and that's four steps. Wow. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: if I could have done that versus Mike Ship, I
Speaker 1: might be I might be the goat. But if I'd
Speaker 1: have done that against Mike four steps, four steps Ship,
Speaker 1: I did it all two and a half. I forget sim.
Speaker 5: If I can get four talk to just about your
Speaker 5: childhood and you had a hip deformity and you were
Speaker 5: in metal leg braces as a kid. What age range
Speaker 5: was that for you?
Speaker 1: From two to about six or gump. Yeah, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what it was. Both my legs were like this out
Speaker 1: and they had to wear them to bring them back in.
Speaker 1: This one was ended up being normal. This one if
Speaker 1: if you see me without pants on, my knee still
Speaker 1: kind of goes this way, even though like so my
Speaker 1: feet are straight now, this knee goes this way. Like
Speaker 1: this one's lined up. This one's kind of this way.
Speaker 1: And that was the most frustrating thing is being inside
Speaker 1: with my mom in the kitchen window washing Sheryl, Saul
Speaker 1: Durrel and tam me to a degree. But those three,
Speaker 1: you know, playing knockout around the world corkball, didn't do
Speaker 1: none of it. I'm just in there with mom, and
Speaker 1: she said, your time will come. Your time will come,
Speaker 1: like but when? And they didn't even think I was
Speaker 1: gonna be able to run even when I got them off.
Speaker 1: Forget that. I don't want to will maroulaf She wore bracest too,
Speaker 1: and look what happened to her. So I had to
Speaker 1: get out there with them. I mean, it's something to
Speaker 1: be said about having big families. You know, you want
Speaker 1: to be a part, You won't to be left out.
Speaker 5: Don't want to be last no, I had to be
Speaker 5: out there with them.
Speaker 6: But just that support system of knowing what to say
Speaker 6: to you to keep your confidence, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Going through that as a kid, you don't know, you
Speaker 6: know where you're live, you're gonna be able.
Speaker 1: To ever run right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So to have that support system to keep that confidence
Speaker 6: in you, like a lot of people, that's a blessing
Speaker 6: to have, right.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because if you watch me run, I
Speaker 1: mean this, I run like this. It's always out. I
Speaker 1: mean you can kind of see how I even just
Speaker 1: it's just always out. So I run weird. But it's
Speaker 1: effective because you know, I never had any knee issues,
Speaker 1: no ACLS. Cycling has helped, you know. It's Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was frustrating, but I think it was a blessing in
Speaker 1: disguise because it made me even more hungrier to do
Speaker 1: because my first love was baseball. Okay, that was my
Speaker 1: I didn't basketball. I picked up secondary. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be the next Rock Carew. I wanted to be like
Speaker 1: durl I wanted to play baseball. Baseball was my that
Speaker 1: was gonna be my end, and I was all everything
Speaker 1: in Little League pitch, hit, I could do everything got
Speaker 1: better in Pony, and then once high school came, I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'm going to settle in. I'm going
Speaker 1: to be center field. I can control the outfield and
Speaker 1: I was a great pitcher in the little league. And
Speaker 1: the high school coach said, you're going to pitch. I'm like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the mound is different. You know little league
Speaker 1: mountains here and here. You know, of course I'm throwing fast.
Speaker 1: Why don't you get to high school? The bounds moved back.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not going to pitch. She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna pitch. I'm like, no, I'm not going to pitch.
Speaker 1: I want to play center phil if you want me
Speaker 1: to play, It's like, no, you're going to pitch. I'm like.
Speaker 1: That's when I started concentrating on basketball in track. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I so wanted to be a two sport. I
Speaker 1: still wanted to do that, but I stuck with basketball
Speaker 1: and a little bit of track, and that was it.
Speaker 1: I think it worked out all right, it worked hard.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I wish I could have played baseball at UCLA,
Speaker 1: if if that would have happened, or because I think
Speaker 1: I would have been decent.
Speaker 5: Speaking of UCLA, you were you were You were there
Speaker 5: early enough to not see any three point lines for
Speaker 5: a little bit of your college time.
Speaker 1: My last year was the first year there a three
Speaker 1: point line. Then what was that like for you?
Speaker 5: When did you realize, Like, obviously your form and being
Speaker 5: able to shoot deep came from the family, but when
Speaker 5: did you realize, like, once that line came in, this
Speaker 5: is something I can be consistent in it.
Speaker 1: The pro game had it, and being at UCLA. And
Speaker 1: do you guys know this because you got have been
Speaker 1: up there the those summers men's gym. That's the next
Speaker 1: question actually, so I'm going to put it all in
Speaker 1: one for those of you who don't know, especially and
Speaker 1: this is in the mid eighties, late eighties, the men's
Speaker 1: gym was the mecca of summer basketball. Course, because you
Speaker 1: would have magic in the Lakers and this is the
Speaker 1: height of show Takers and Showtime and Boston, that whole rivalry.
Speaker 1: And during the summer you would have a Lakers team,
Speaker 1: you would have a team of pros that were hanging
Speaker 1: out all summer. You would have our UCLA team, the
Speaker 1: A and B team, So you had four teams and
Speaker 1: you had two courts and go and started at three
Speaker 1: and ended at about five, five thirty games to ten
Speaker 1: by ones. And so I knew going against the pros,
Speaker 1: and I know, you know, we want to talk about
Speaker 1: mentors and all that. I talked about John Long. The
Speaker 1: reason why I'm even on this show in this position
Speaker 1: almost forty years in the professional space, if it's not
Speaker 1: for Byron Scott Michael Cooper, who those two guys in particular,
Speaker 1: taking me under their wing when I was a freshman.
Speaker 1: I hung on every word because again, remember now these
Speaker 1: are the Lakers showtime, and those two dudes at that position,
Speaker 1: my position, I wanted to know everything and right I'm
Speaker 1: an LA kid Riverside to be exactly, and the Lakers
Speaker 1: are everything. Though I patterned my game after Larry Bird,
Speaker 1: so I was conflicted because I wanted the Lakers to
Speaker 1: win everything, but I wanted Larry Bird to do well
Speaker 1: because that was the guy I wanted to play like.
Speaker 1: So I hung on every word that Coop and be
Speaker 1: Scott would tell me, you know, this is how you
Speaker 1: gotta work, moving without screens and all that. Byron he
Speaker 1: would literally walk me through this during the summers. Do
Speaker 1: this look at their feet, look at their chest, look
Speaker 1: at their waist, look at their hands. This is how
Speaker 1: you throw them off. Grab by the wrist, act like
Speaker 1: you're going one way, throw them. I mean, all the
Speaker 1: little tricks. Sorry, Vernon, I used to do that to
Speaker 1: you a few times too.
Speaker 3: I learned that just all kinds of tricks.
Speaker 1: So I knew I could shoot with them, but preparing
Speaker 1: and prepping with them, that's what made me believe I
Speaker 1: could shoot. And when the three point line came in
Speaker 1: my last year it was nineteen nine, I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: been shooting twenty five thirty footers since high school, so
Speaker 1: I knew it wouldn't it wouldn't be anything.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember this, but it was
Speaker 5: two thousand and nine ten season and I somehow tracked
Speaker 5: your number down because I was guarding Ray Allen in
Speaker 5: the playoffs and I wanted to ask you, how the
Speaker 5: fuck do I slow him down coming off screens?
Speaker 1: And you gave me the.
Speaker 3: Grab the wrist to grab the shorts.
Speaker 5: And some other things, and it's crazy I remember that,
Speaker 5: and obviously I didn't stop him, but just getting those
Speaker 5: just to.
Speaker 1: Down, because I mean, Ray would be great in today's
Speaker 1: game if you can't hold like the freedom of movement.
Speaker 1: Then you want oh my god, yeah rip Hamilton, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you would too though.
Speaker 7: All that pushing ship, I gotta put that in there.
Speaker 1: Players in today's game has such an advantage. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean you almost had to draw blood to get
Speaker 1: open against Vernon. You almost had to. And then if
Speaker 1: you got open, you had oldest thorp, the longest ship.
Speaker 1: Drive into the hole. You're driving into the dream. Don't
Speaker 1: you don't you come in here? Don't you come in here?
Speaker 1: Back to the men's joke, was magic call the bullshit.
Speaker 5: God, Oh my god, don't be oh man, man, oh man.
Speaker 1: There was an a corps, you know, be a winner's
Speaker 1: court and the loser court a court court man. The
Speaker 1: Lakers always stayed on the winning court matter what. Max, no,
Speaker 1: matter what, he could go to the hole and be
Speaker 1: wide open and miss the Layah, you're like teammates. He
Speaker 1: don't even call him fire. He called him for his teammates.
Speaker 5: If like, like you said, if Max would have missed
Speaker 5: the shot, he is on no no to bring that back,
Speaker 5: you fellow.
Speaker 1: And the only time this didn't happen, it was one
Speaker 1: magical I don't know how this happened. Oh, I do
Speaker 1: actually know how it happened. It was the first year
Speaker 1: of Magic's Midsummer Night's Game, the very first year, and
Speaker 1: it was in Pauly Pavilion before it moved to the Forum,
Speaker 1: and he had everyone because it was the first year,
Speaker 1: and Larry came out and before that game actually happened.
Speaker 1: So Larry was out maybe two days ahead of time
Speaker 1: for these pickup runs. And Larry walks in, right, So
Speaker 1: you have the Lakers, you have the selection of pro
Speaker 1: players U C, L, A, A and B team. So
Speaker 1: of course Larry says, all right, I'm gonna be on that,
Speaker 1: you know, selection of proteins, and everyone's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Larry Magic then like you know, that was the first
Speaker 1: time I saw Buck like, Okay, there ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: none of this bullshit because Larry, Larry was like having it.
Speaker 1: Larry wasn't having it. Larry was not having and it
Speaker 1: was some of it was like this is there's no footage,
Speaker 1: no one, no one knows how to the oh my god,
Speaker 1: some of the passes. And then and then Coop Coop
Speaker 1: and Larry didn't they really didn't like one another, I
Speaker 1: mean really didn't like one another. No, I got him,
Speaker 1: you know cool, I got him. I want him, Like
Speaker 1: this is what I was learning, right, this is this
Speaker 1: is all going into the DNA. This is why I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean again, never take a step back, take two four,
Speaker 1: don't ever take a step back. No. I want him.
Speaker 1: I don't care if a summer league. I want him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, this is good. So you see
Speaker 1: we're over you see them. This is unbelievable talking all
Speaker 1: this shit. I mean, this ship is for real. This
Speaker 1: is how we grew. So as a nineteen eighteen, nineteen
Speaker 1: year old kid, you're like, okay, and that was it
Speaker 1: for my four years. That used to la every summer
Speaker 1: was like that, Oh, how are you really you really
Speaker 1: want to get to the next level. Okay, we'll meet
Speaker 1: us on Drake Stadium at seven thirty. We're gonna run
Speaker 1: down stairs. And do you remember at Drake they had
Speaker 1: that pull up bar in the end zone, right, and
Speaker 1: it was great about that pull up. It was like
Speaker 1: for tall people like you had to jump up and
Speaker 1: do and Malik Monsieur, who was one of the guys
Speaker 1: who was doing workouts, Yep, we're gonna do King Kong's
Speaker 1: new fronts, and then you know they're like, you don't
Speaker 1: have to get in the weight room and get big,
Speaker 1: you know, because you sa later like, oh you gotta
Speaker 1: get bigger, you're bigger and cooping. No, you gotta get strong.
Speaker 1: You ain't gotta get big. You gotta get strong. You mean,
Speaker 1: it's on the track. It's like, are you all really
Speaker 1: going to be there. It's like I put you like this.
Speaker 1: If you ain't there, if you come at seven thirty one,
Speaker 1: you ain't. You can't work out with us. Man, I
Speaker 1: was there at seven o'clock. Sure enough, seven twenty five.
Speaker 1: Those dudes roll up. These are champions, right man. What
Speaker 1: to be exposed to that different?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got a taste of that too. I mean
Speaker 5: to me, I credit that getting us over the hunt
Speaker 5: and we had so much talent. But those summer runs,
Speaker 5: like you said, from the time I'm seventeen, just turning
Speaker 5: to eighteen, playing with Cob and Shack and oh man, guys,
Speaker 5: just like every single day.
Speaker 1: In every day, religiously playing with the best.
Speaker 5: It made you think your life, playing a couple of days,
Speaker 5: some of the rough days and make it they like, damn,
Speaker 5: I gonna be able to do this. Rest in peace
Speaker 5: to the great Loutolsen. You and you and lout Uh
Speaker 5: had some battles.
Speaker 1: Damn lout Damn Arizona Wildcats, Damn Steve Kerr. Yeah, damn
Speaker 1: Craig Bill was Bushley there then too, you know? Yeah
Speaker 1: bush Sean Elliott, Yeah, Ratchet, Ratchet place Ratchet. Here's the problem,
Speaker 1: not the problem? And why lout Olson and I Before
Speaker 1: he took Arizona, I believe he was the head coach
Speaker 1: at Iowa and he was recruiting me and I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna go to Iowa. And then when he got the
Speaker 1: job at Arizona, I thought about it. I considered it,
Speaker 1: but being a hometown kid, everyone wanted to play for
Speaker 1: the Brew. Everyone wanted to be used to late Bruers,
Speaker 1: kt La Chama five. You knew where your games where.
Speaker 1: Everyone wanted to be part of the wooden system. So
Speaker 1: I went there. He went to Arizona and turned it
Speaker 1: into a powerhouse. I'll give him all the credit, but
Speaker 1: man hat Feels and McCoy's you, of course you say
Speaker 1: the USC is, yes, but our next was Arizona. We
Speaker 1: hated them, They hated us. They hated me in particular,
Speaker 1: because I just loved going in there and.
Speaker 3: Busting their ass, busting their ass.
Speaker 1: But you know a few times I crossed the line,
Speaker 1: But who's counting. I mean it's college. There's no footage,
Speaker 1: I don't think, so it never happened. Never happened. When
Speaker 1: does shit talk and become a weapon for you? I
Speaker 1: think it goes back to Sheryl blocking my shit in
Speaker 1: the rose bushes and Sol and Durrell. I mean that's
Speaker 1: all we But there's an art to it, and there's
Speaker 1: a way to it. Because you don't want to get two.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're not out there talking about
Speaker 1: people's mamas and things. You got to do a little
Speaker 1: homework too to know a person's DNA and personality and
Speaker 1: what triggers them like people, And I want people to
Speaker 1: understand this. I love me some John Starks a lot
Speaker 1: like that dude over there will run through a wall
Speaker 1: and will do whatever it takes to win. I love
Speaker 1: dudes like that, But unlike mad Max, Starks could be triggered,
Speaker 1: and I knew that, and I would play not only
Speaker 1: on his emotions, but I knew if I talked to
Speaker 1: Oak and Patrick an earshot of him, like I'm talking
Speaker 1: to Patrick you want to during the game about Starks.
Speaker 1: It would trigger him because he couldn't control his emotions
Speaker 1: because he was just you know, he came almost from nothing.
Speaker 1: You know, he was bagging groceries. They found him, you know,
Speaker 1: and now he's playing the number one media market, on
Speaker 1: the number one stage and MSG. So he would do
Speaker 1: whatever to stay there. And so you have to do
Speaker 1: a little homework on your opponent. So that's how I
Speaker 1: used it, And a lot of times I would talk
Speaker 1: ship to get myself going too. Yeah yeah, self motivation,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Fact to fiction.
Speaker 6: Your old AOL email address started with the letters t
Speaker 6: T for trash talking trash tar got.
Speaker 1: We all know that ship.
Speaker 5: That's good, they to They told Wayne's right.
Speaker 6: You bought dictionaries in different languages before the Olympics, so
Speaker 6: you can tell to other.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did, and I was butchering the language, but
Speaker 1: they knew what I was trying to say. Yes, I
Speaker 1: want it because I wanted them to know I'm here, baby, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in their own language. You getting this? Yes? Fact yeah?
Speaker 6: Is it true that you had to if you lost
Speaker 6: the bet to Spike Lee, you had to visit Mike
Speaker 6: Tyson the jail very fact.
Speaker 1: And so that first year in ninety four, that series
Speaker 1: that went in epic seven games, the whole choking twenty
Speaker 1: five point quarter, that whole episode series. We made a
Speaker 1: bet we win. At the time, I was married, he
Speaker 1: would put my wife in cameo spot in one of
Speaker 1: his films if they win. At the time, Mike was
Speaker 1: incarcerated in Indiana on a rape charge. I had to
Speaker 1: go visit the Champ. I'm like, okay, obviously they ended
Speaker 1: up winning that summer. I think it was mid June.
Speaker 1: I go to the facility. I'm like, hey, I'm here
Speaker 1: to see the Champ Mike Tyson. And the guard was like,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously he knew. He knew the series, he
Speaker 1: knew everything I had gone down. Okay, I'll go get him.
Speaker 1: Just take a seat right there. I'm like, okay, five
Speaker 1: minutes goes by, he'll be out in another five minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, fifteen minutes goes by, twenty half hour, hour,
Speaker 1: hour and a half. I'm like, I mean he knows
Speaker 1: I'm here to see him. Right Like, Mike got in
Speaker 1: an altercation with one of the guards. Shit, I think
Speaker 1: he broke a guard to draw will not be coming
Speaker 1: out to see you. I was like, did he really
Speaker 1: do that? I don't know if that was true or
Speaker 1: if that was the story they were telling me, or
Speaker 1: he was embarrassed to come see me because he had
Speaker 1: to have known what was online because it was national
Speaker 1: news that this was the bet between Spike and I.
Speaker 1: But I was there for two hours. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he broke a guard's jar or not, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't put it past him to have done that, no question.
Speaker 4: So that's a fact might look at some people join
Speaker 4: to just yes, yes.
Speaker 1: It's gonna jump out the way.
Speaker 6: You have any favorite form, swear words that you still
Speaker 6: remember it.
Speaker 1: Any swear words foreign did you used? Didn't remember none
Speaker 1: of them. I wouldn't either. How did you guys find
Speaker 1: that out? That was only a select few who found
Speaker 1: that one They told you about dyling before. You can't
Speaker 1: deal with this. Damn very good, very good. And the
Speaker 1: one I tried to do this is before the Olympics.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I saw when mad Max was
Speaker 1: in this seat talking about him.
Speaker 8: There was one dude, God damn all right.
Speaker 1: For those of you who do not know who drawing
Speaker 1: petrovit draws man and I tell people this. You know,
Speaker 1: Curry is the goat of all shooters. You know. Look,
Speaker 1: I'll give him all that, but before him, man, you
Speaker 1: could be this close to the mike. You could be
Speaker 1: this close to him. It didn't matter. And not only
Speaker 1: is he giving it off, he's telling you about it too, English, broken, broken,
Speaker 1: good English.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, you don't know what the hell he's saying.
Speaker 9: He's bobbing, he's talking.
Speaker 1: Giving it to you, giving it to you. I mean,
Speaker 1: treat that. I didn't get frustrated against a lot of players.
Speaker 1: That dude listen to me. And then on top of that,
Speaker 1: you got Derek fucking Coleman like backing them up. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: this dude was the best shooter. Catch and shoot one
Speaker 1: dribble to dribble. He did not miss no, literally, And
Speaker 1: I said to myself, how the hell was he not
Speaker 1: playing in Portland? But you had Clyde there. But when
Speaker 1: he got to your new jersey, the good lord, good lord, oh.
Speaker 10: My god, that I mean, you could be It didn't
Speaker 10: matter single double motion you and and God rest his soul, smell.
Speaker 1: Terrible, smell terrible, And you had to be all on us.
Speaker 1: Hit you.
Speaker 9: You ain't gonna be like that all shows they're gonna
Speaker 9: be with me.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, So no easy giving it to you,
Speaker 1: hogking ship to you. But after the game you smell
Speaker 1: your teammates are like, damn man, hop in the shower man.
Speaker 1: That's crazy man.
Speaker 5: That's a part of his package.
Speaker 1: Look, I want to tell you, so I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: an education of other guys that people don't know about,
Speaker 1: because that would give you buckets. Mad Max won't know this.
Speaker 1: Here's another name for you, guys that would give you buckets.
Speaker 1: And that came out of my draft. And there was
Speaker 1: three of us. There was Reggie Williams, please myself. But
Speaker 1: there was another Reggie that would bust your behind. Duh Lewis.
Speaker 1: Reggie Lewis would give you buckets. And again he had
Speaker 1: the luxury of having Larry Legend and Kevin McHale and
Speaker 1: all them dudes in his DNA. Reggie Lewis, y'all, God
Speaker 1: rest his soul in peace. Yeah, what a walking bucket,
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5: Yes, Boston and kind of in that era of Boston
Speaker 5: lost two young gratce Lynn Biason.
Speaker 1: If you think about the championships, they would have had
Speaker 1: m h I mean Lynn and this was Larry was
Speaker 1: still Larry. He had his superpowers when they drafted Lin
Speaker 1: Bis so Lynn Bias. Learning under Larry Bird with a
Speaker 1: superpower would have been scary. So you got so wrong
Speaker 1: with you me? Yes, what happened?
Speaker 6: You said the smell was part of his baggage.
Speaker 5: That was in his bag. Smell was in his bag.
Speaker 5: It's part of the game. So obviously your ship talking
Speaker 5: is so legendary. You're one of the very few and
Speaker 5: maybe the only person that got in got into a
Speaker 5: fight with Kobe and MJ.
Speaker 1: What kind of homewor did you do for both them? Dudes?
Speaker 4: I just think they got in the fights because they
Speaker 4: got tied to.
Speaker 1: Chasing this nigga like man slowed down Rench. You got that,
Speaker 1: all right? I've been waiting, Okay, yeah, I've been waiting
Speaker 1: because people always ask me. I've been waiting for the
Speaker 1: right forum to tell the story. Welcome to death Rope.
Speaker 1: We're honored. We will start with the MJ fight. Shall
Speaker 1: we watch them? We shall a little trip down memory.
Speaker 1: But you gotta go back, gotta go back to when
Speaker 1: they have the ball, So go back, go back. Oh no,
Speaker 1: he got to pull the whole clip up, pull the
Speaker 1: whole clip up there we go. Yeah, so this is it.
Speaker 1: Watch this one two. I'm like, okay. I tried to
Speaker 1: get him there and he got out the way. So
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, tip in, I'm going straight
Speaker 1: to him. Let him know. Okay. I had to hurry
Speaker 1: up and turn around me because I don't want him to
Speaker 1: come in like choke hold me. He tried to rake you.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, we both get into we get
Speaker 1: into this. He scrapes my eye like you can't see
Speaker 1: he was trying to scratch it. I saw him right.
Speaker 1: So all this goes down. This is in ms A,
Speaker 1: by the way, this is it. We're at home. We
Speaker 1: are at home and Marcus Square Arena playing Michael Jordan's
Speaker 1: So this ship goes down. Ronnie Nunn. Ronnie Nun comes in,
Speaker 1: breaks it all up. They huddle up. I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: so back in the day, a lot of it. Look
Speaker 1: at this. Scratch scratch the crap out of me. Look
Speaker 1: at this. But look I'm holding them and controlling them.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but you ain't going anywhere again. Goes
Speaker 1: pull ups stadium. So I'm thinking, okay, maybe we'll get
Speaker 1: double technicols maybe if I get thrown out, he's gonna
Speaker 1: get thrown out.
Speaker 3: We both are.
Speaker 1: Throwing Jess curseyes man. Okay, Jess had a fresh do
Speaker 1: for the game. Say that cut was clean. Hold on,
Speaker 1: so just you got kicked out the game. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. That's wow. Both punches that now three?
Speaker 9: They ain't never throwing Mike who shooting free throws right now?
Speaker 1: You found him rich.
Speaker 9: They thow Mike got no motherfucking.
Speaker 1: Game in our in our building, maybe in Chicago, in
Speaker 1: our building.
Speaker 9: He's shooting the technicals too.
Speaker 1: Goddamn forty five on us. Not that he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: scored forty five with me in the game, but ship
Speaker 1: give me a chance in our building. MJ threw three
Speaker 1: punches and then get kicked out the game. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: The next day I got a one game suspension. You
Speaker 1: got kicked out any game suspension, and he got three games?
Speaker 1: So why did he get three games then? And it
Speaker 1: was kicked out day in the game. Wow, So they
Speaker 1: let him play the game.
Speaker 5: This suspended and then suspended us. And that's what they
Speaker 5: did me at the San Francisco program.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, because my mix in.
Speaker 5: Town Max said when Mike came to Houston, all his
Speaker 5: women started working.
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing, man, you would see these you
Speaker 1: would see you know, you go out to a club
Speaker 1: or whatever, bar, whatever, and you see these same chicks,
Speaker 1: real regular you come to a bulls game. Why are
Speaker 1: you dressed like it's Sunday church?
Speaker 9: Man saying I told you about this Mike come to
Speaker 9: your city, just coming out and they think they're gonna
Speaker 9: getting married. One of them thinks it's gonna get hit
Speaker 9: by Mike.
Speaker 1: Of my whole career, one thing I wish a regret.
Speaker 1: And you know, people will say I wish we would
Speaker 1: have had I would have had more than one series
Speaker 1: versus that dude. I'm not saying I would have won.
Speaker 1: He would have won, probably not, but you're judged by wins.
Speaker 1: I won a few battles. He always won the wars.
Speaker 1: He's got six of them, and we took them seven games.
Speaker 1: I just wish we would have had more. I wish
Speaker 1: I could have gone against him more. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: don't want people jumping on the internet. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: we would have beat them. I would if I would
Speaker 1: have been.
Speaker 3: The same thing.
Speaker 1: But man, I want to see I got confident. I
Speaker 1: want to see how I am versus that dude thing too,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to see how I am versus
Speaker 1: that dude. He obviously had a lot of respect and
Speaker 1: spoke highly of you.
Speaker 5: But what what was different when you played a game
Speaker 5: against him and the bulls.
Speaker 1: I can only speak for myself. I can't speak for Max.
Speaker 1: There was no weaknesses. Try to force him left, you
Speaker 1: try to force them right, you try to top lock them,
Speaker 1: you try to hold you, try to be physical with him.
Speaker 1: I equated to like this. It was like and maybe
Speaker 1: this is how sinners feel when they were going against Shack.
Speaker 1: He was shock of shooting guards. I don't care. There
Speaker 1: was no way you can get around him, in front him.
Speaker 1: He was just too strong. And then he had a
Speaker 1: forty eight inch vertical so you were never blocking.
Speaker 3: His shot, and he.
Speaker 1: Could stop on a die his handles. And then he
Speaker 1: held the ball like it was like an orange. So
Speaker 1: he's tawning you holding the ball in your face. The
Speaker 1: tongue is all out and shit and shooting the fucking
Speaker 1: gum and all that shit. And then come down, the
Speaker 1: black eyes are looking at you, and I'm looking right
Speaker 1: back at it, and I'm the fuck I ain't going anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's looking at you and man, no weaknesses, none, zero,
Speaker 1: I could look. I loved you. I'm watching. I'm always
Speaker 1: trying to find a tail, and I found the tail
Speaker 1: on everyone. I could not find a tail, not one nothing.
Speaker 1: Damn Like, Okay, if he goes left x amount of times,
Speaker 1: what is his percentages? Great? Right? Great, step back great, great, great,
Speaker 1: rebounding great, passing great. You can't punk them. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find something. So it's almost like ship by committee there, key,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 9: We got to get some help down this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on now, I've been calling.
Speaker 6: You crowd to be the toughest shouting basketball. Which is
Speaker 6: the fight away. He shot that ship, I mean high
Speaker 6: clip and at the I cannot blocking.
Speaker 1: You can't get it. But it's fade away and it's
Speaker 1: at forty eight inches.
Speaker 9: Yeah, when it got to learn how to put it
Speaker 9: back to the basket and get in that post.
Speaker 1: That's what he got. And then he would do the one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he get that. He get that him and maybe maxkinis
Speaker 1: hast to this pick and rolls. Don't let your big
Speaker 1: be one step to he's splitting and then now it's
Speaker 1: up to dal and Antonio alone.
Speaker 8: He's your's your problem.
Speaker 1: Now he splits, But then when you would extend him
Speaker 1: to half court, he would get this shoulder or this shoulder,
Speaker 1: which the way he was coming off, and get under
Speaker 1: the big and then it's downhill. So now if you're trailing,
Speaker 1: as shooting guards are, you got to get under and
Speaker 1: then he's putting. And on top of that he can shoot.
Speaker 1: He can shoot. They talked about it.
Speaker 6: I've seen a lot of videos about his leticism, but
Speaker 6: I seen the video recently and when he got a
Speaker 6: till bar and they passed on him, he went up
Speaker 6: a vertical on Charles Bark.
Speaker 1: That shit was so bad. I'm like, that's another thing
Speaker 1: that people don't understand. Not only could he he's known for,
Speaker 1: you know, the two handed, but he could one leg too,
Speaker 1: either leg too, yeah, either leg like it was, and
Speaker 1: be out till four or five o'clock in the morning, smoking,
Speaker 1: drinking whatever. Yeah, car yes, all this shit games at seven, seven.
Speaker 9: Thirty it sometime he'll go play golf the same day
Speaker 9: he'll play man.
Speaker 1: It's almost like he was trying to make it fair.
Speaker 5: Let me go get a buzz into some heat strokes.
Speaker 5: You guys can have a chance to know.
Speaker 1: Didn't have a tail guys, and you know it. You
Speaker 1: hear it all the time, who's the goat, who's the
Speaker 1: greatest and all that between you know him and Lebron.
Speaker 1: And I try to stay away from that because he
Speaker 1: went against Lebron his first year. He was a rookie
Speaker 1: my last year, so I don't have no point of reference.
Speaker 1: But I will say Lebron has the greatest career. I
Speaker 1: say that all. He has the greatest career. But Mike
Speaker 1: is the best basketball player ever. But Lebron has the
Speaker 1: greatest career. And I think while a lot of old
Speaker 1: heads want to dog out Lebron is because they were
Speaker 1: never as good as he is this late in their career,
Speaker 1: and they want to get on him for that. Lebron
Speaker 1: at twenty two years in, at forty one, forty whatever
Speaker 1: he is and he's about ready to be first or
Speaker 1: second team all NBA. As old guys, they were never
Speaker 1: call him all out. Some of them won't just good
Speaker 1: in a prime that's today. They wasn't. And for him
Speaker 1: to be this good this long, you've got to say
Speaker 1: he has the greatest career by far. But is he
Speaker 1: the best? That's greatest and best is two different things.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why old heads are getting it
Speaker 1: mixed up and they don't want to give Lebron his due.
Speaker 1: He deserves that. I mean, we all wish we could
Speaker 1: be playing like him in year twenty two, in any
Speaker 1: year period. I mean, he's about ready to be on
Speaker 1: one of the All NBA teams at forty from the
Speaker 1: Master to the Disciple, Cob, I've been waiting on this.
Speaker 1: I've been waiting on this story. They had just won
Speaker 1: the championship the year before. It's almost kind of like
Speaker 1: the Detroit, Indiana thing. So we're in Staples and they're
Speaker 1: about ready to win the game year. This is the
Speaker 1: year after they won. So that's one two I believe right.
Speaker 1: You got a Q okay, yes, get a cute okay,
Speaker 1: so get a cute kigy. So they're getting ready to win.
Speaker 1: This is in Staples, and can I can I go
Speaker 1: back a little bit of the history with Kobe and I. Okay,
Speaker 1: before we get to the when he was drafted and
Speaker 1: getting ready and going through the process, he and I
Speaker 1: had the same agent, Arn tell him, okay before he's
Speaker 1: flood off t Ra Polinka, who was under arn Tell Okay,
Speaker 1: so Arn as they're getting ready to as the draft
Speaker 1: is going on and they're getting ready to sign him,
Speaker 1: calls me up, Hey, I want you to mentor and
Speaker 1: talk to this young kid, Kobe. I was like, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He loves Michael Jordan. He knows everything, you know. He
Speaker 1: wants to know everything about Mike. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike.
Speaker 1: So I would call Kobe. I would talk to Kobe
Speaker 1: all the time during that seven game series with the
Speaker 1: Bulls and all that. Afterwards, I'd be in the office
Speaker 1: and I'd be calling Kobe. He's like, Hey, what was
Speaker 1: Mike doing on that play? What were you saying to him?
Speaker 1: He wanted to know everything about that Wow. Right, he
Speaker 1: was a true student. He was studying all of us.
Speaker 1: He wanted to know everything about that series. Why did
Speaker 1: you do this? What was his counter? So there was
Speaker 1: a history between Kobe and I. Fast forward to us
Speaker 1: playing them in the finals, and before that, Kobe and
Speaker 1: I did a shoot. It was he and I versus
Speaker 1: At the time. You guys remember on MTV the Real World,
Speaker 1: the cast, the people that all lived in the house.
Speaker 1: This is when reality TV was just starting. It was
Speaker 1: Kobe and I versus the real world. There was like
Speaker 1: twelve of them that were living in the house we
Speaker 1: were playing. They were going to play us. There was
Speaker 1: fifteen of them and us two versus them and the losers,
Speaker 1: and they made the bet washed Kobe's dogs or something
Speaker 1: like that. And this was a chance he and I.
Speaker 1: This is before we made it to the finals, that
Speaker 1: we had a chance. And Gail dia Castino, who Dylan
Speaker 1: you've worked with, she worked with both of us, and
Speaker 1: she's like she came to me and she's like, hey,
Speaker 1: just letting me know. Kobe's gonna want to play you
Speaker 1: one on one and I'm at the height of mine.
Speaker 1: He's just you know, this is his second or third year,
Speaker 1: maybe second year. I'm like, I'm not gonna play one
Speaker 1: on one, but i mean I'll teach you some stuff.
Speaker 1: I'll you know, we'll get on the court. And so
Speaker 1: we're on the court. He's like teaching that step back.
Speaker 1: I want to know about that step back, you know,
Speaker 1: like what are you looking at? Are you looking at
Speaker 1: the feet the knees? Like how do you do it
Speaker 1: going left? And how are you doing the right? Like
Speaker 1: don't they close? So I'm out there teaching them and
Speaker 1: doing all this. The world, world, the kids, the world, world.
Speaker 1: People come in. We do our skit. We went we
Speaker 1: killed him. He's like, I'm like, you know, let's have
Speaker 1: fun with it. You know, we'll do a couple of hours.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I want to crush them. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's go crush him. Let's let's do it.
Speaker 1: So I'm just throwing him out and he's just going crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's nineteen eighteen whatever. Fast forward to the finals.
Speaker 1: Shot goes down, Game four, shot fouls out. We're thinking, shit,
Speaker 1: we about ready to tie this thing up. They had
Speaker 1: won the first two in Staples. We won game three.
Speaker 1: We about ready to tie this thing up. Damn. Kobe
Speaker 1: Bryant turned into the reincarnation of MJ. And not only
Speaker 1: did he turn into the reincarnation of MJ, that same
Speaker 1: shit that I was teaching him in that they'll step back,
Speaker 1: he's hitting it on me. Well, what look at Reggie
Speaker 1: Miller sparing him up.
Speaker 5: These two guys playing one on one.
Speaker 1: All summer in La. Kobe takes it between his leg,
Speaker 1: he pulls it back, hits the jumper, and then sort
Speaker 1: of gives it, you know, take your time. Everything's cool.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this dude was prepping for this moment three
Speaker 1: years ago. That's how deep you was. I'm like, he
Speaker 1: is using this what I taught him on me and us.
Speaker 1: They win that game, they win the series in six.
Speaker 1: Fast forward to the next year they're winning. Now. The
Speaker 1: unwritten rule in basketball is when you're up twelve, yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty two seconds left, what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Hold the ball? Dribble it out right? So here, He's like,
Speaker 1: if I get this ball, I'm shooting it. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you are going to shoot at Kobe, because
Speaker 1: that's what you do. You just out here to try
Speaker 1: to get stats. So are you telling him? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm telling right now. I was like, yeah, a
Speaker 1: little buster, Yeah, go ahead and get your your numbers, Kobe,
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. So then we start to
Speaker 1: have words and I was like, if he comes to me,
Speaker 1: it's on. And he took one step to me and
Speaker 1: I body checked him right here. Boom. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's all I wanted. That was almost the first Madison
Speaker 1: all I wanted. So then I have a pinned on
Speaker 1: the scorer's table. Look at brass there. He don't really
Speaker 1: want to jail, won't it? He won't it? Oh, jail,
Speaker 1: poor Austin Krazer. Look at his jersey. He was trying
Speaker 1: to push shack back originally, right, oh man, look at
Speaker 1: Look at Austin's jersey. Man, scratch marks all on the back.
Speaker 1: He learned. Oh that's why he that's why he did that.
Speaker 6: In thew madice in the palace when everything was going on,
Speaker 6: he just put his hands up and started walking through
Speaker 6: the crowd.
Speaker 1: He just put his hands up. He said, I'm familiar
Speaker 1: with this. Oh god, this is great. This was great.
Speaker 1: Look at this. What does just one step? I said,
Speaker 1: just one step? Just come come a little bit closer
Speaker 1: across that line. Just come a little bit closer. There
Speaker 1: we go, gotcha watch this? Mm hmm. You showed me
Speaker 1: what you had boom. Pick him up, take him to
Speaker 1: the scorers table, yep, take a seat here.
Speaker 6: We tried to lean in with one day.
Speaker 1: He tried to lean in with the right look. But
Speaker 1: I had the Roy Jones. I had the Roy Jones. Okay,
Speaker 1: pick him up, put him right here. Everyone to jump in.
Speaker 1: Sit down right here, take a seat right here.
Speaker 6: That was almost the malice, the actual first Matlae right there.
Speaker 1: But God rest. And then here's the thing. The funny
Speaker 1: thing about that, the day after m H you call Man, well,
Speaker 1: we're rethinking. I'm like, but what I tell you. He
Speaker 1: wanted to do everything like Mike. He knew our history,
Speaker 1: for Mike's and I's history, I think he I think
Speaker 1: he want a part of that. I really did in
Speaker 1: the back of ound. Maybe I'm wrong, but my only
Speaker 1: two real real scraps I had one with Doc, but
Speaker 1: I mean those were the real, real real He said,
Speaker 1: we got a problem, Mike, he got a problem only
Speaker 1: beef with goats. For me to have beef with those
Speaker 1: two dudes, the two best shooting guards are our game
Speaker 1: has ever seen. Man. I mean, I'll take it as
Speaker 1: a form of respect that they both for myself, the
Speaker 1: respected my game.
Speaker 3: I respected theirs brought that out of them.
Speaker 1: I didn't fear them, but I respected the respected. I
Speaker 1: mean that you didn't fear. I mean, to this day,
Speaker 1: I think I probably would take a swing on Mic
Speaker 1: if I saw him.
Speaker 3: That shows out to Los I might.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, because there's certain things
Speaker 1: that are said in between lines. Yeah, you know that
Speaker 1: that triggers you. Yeah, it's funny because what do you
Speaker 1: say during the seventy fifth anniversary. You remember, Mike wasn't
Speaker 1: part of any of the pre picture and all that,
Speaker 1: but he showed up before we all walked out, and
Speaker 1: you show that. Pull it up, Dylan, like with him
Speaker 1: he's going at Magic, like, let's put him on. Let's
Speaker 1: go right now, like everyone, We're all around there, and
Speaker 1: I'm saying to myself, I might, I might just go
Speaker 1: over there, get my leg back right, I might go
Speaker 1: even to school. I might. I mean, we got the
Speaker 1: seventy five grades right there, right now, And in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm saying to myself, I'm damn, I'm triggering. My hands
Speaker 1: is sweating. It's like past all that, past all that
Speaker 1: before we walk out. When he goes at at Magic.
Speaker 1: You hear stories from Ai and d Wade about that
Speaker 1: moment like, oh my god, you could tell you yes,
Speaker 1: he is king among all these kings, because they all
Speaker 1: did it, bow down to him, keep going, yeah, here
Speaker 1: we go. I've seen that too, when he walked in
Speaker 1: there like there is here it is. Turn it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah see I'm right behind a little bit to the right.
Speaker 1: Of d Wade. I'm saying, this is your time, this
Speaker 1: is a moment, on this is your moment, this is it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was great to see him in Magic.
Speaker 1: Go at it, but don't come this way with that ship.
Speaker 1: I don't cook. Some wounds are hardy, they're hard to heal.
Speaker 1: I love it. I tell people, Hey, it's no question
Speaker 1: to me. He's the best bet I've ever seen. I
Speaker 1: mean his body.
Speaker 3: But man, where does kobe skill set rank with?
Speaker 1: See? He took it to a different level. I think
Speaker 1: Kobe was a much better shooter. I want to hear
Speaker 1: this from you, because you play Kobe was a much fundamentals,
Speaker 1: who wow, they're but Kobe was a better three point shooter.
Speaker 1: He took it. He was almost like MJ on steroids.
Speaker 1: When I tell you he watched every film when he
Speaker 1: was over in Italy on J. I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 1: He had the footwork down to a pack down everything,
Speaker 1: but he he put his little flare into it. You
Speaker 1: know people talking about you know, Magic or Lebron. That's
Speaker 1: what I wanted to ask you. I can think. I
Speaker 1: mean it gets looked over a little bit in that
Speaker 1: Kobe gets left over. Tim Duncan gets left over. I mean,
Speaker 1: because he's so quiet. Kareem man killers many y'all. This
Speaker 1: trip down memory lane. It's nice and all, but it
Speaker 1: brings back, yeah, man. And then you got Robin out
Speaker 1: there talking shit. And look I had some crazy dudes
Speaker 1: on my I mean my Davis Boys, Davis boys killers.
Speaker 1: You got Robin out there hooting and hollering.
Speaker 5: Scottie, how good with Scotty?
Speaker 1: Scotty he was the best Robin. He was the best
Speaker 1: Robin because he did everything he had to do. And
Speaker 1: then through to twenty three but defensively, see, and this
Speaker 1: was a great thing. And this is why come playoff
Speaker 1: time and all y'all know this coaching matters. Asolute players
Speaker 1: will do eighty two games, players will win it. Then
Speaker 1: now your coaching, can you really? From game to game
Speaker 1: coaching matters. And when they put pip on Mark Jackson,
Speaker 1: it kind of the water off and shut the water off, right,
Speaker 1: because we weren't used to that too long. And as
Speaker 1: great as Mark is, I mean six seven but a
Speaker 1: wingspan of seven five that can move, I mean, it
Speaker 1: was tough. And Jack was our pipeline for our offense.
Speaker 1: Took him out, took him out talk to.
Speaker 6: Us about la Berry. He was your favorite player growing up.
Speaker 6: He knocked you out the ninety one playoffs and ended
Speaker 6: up being your coach.
Speaker 1: Talk about Labird. It's funny because when I talk about
Speaker 1: you know, I pattered my game after Larry Legend my
Speaker 1: rookie year in the Boston Garden, our first game there.
Speaker 1: I had met him briefly at a game in Indiana
Speaker 1: that he and I both played him, but he barely
Speaker 1: said a word to be But after that first game
Speaker 1: in the Garden, it's closing moments of the game, he
Speaker 1: walks by me and says, keep working hard, Reggie, You're
Speaker 1: gonna be a great one. And you know I played
Speaker 1: it cool. But I'm saying inside, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Larry Burk again. I remember who my mentors were, Magic Byron,
Speaker 1: Scott Coop. So I mean, I've been around the greats.
Speaker 1: But for Larry Bird to say this to me, I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh crap, this is crap. This is my
Speaker 1: first year. Fast forward to two years later, my third year,
Speaker 1: when I have the reins to it's my team now,
Speaker 1: I feel I have a superpower make the All Star team.
Speaker 1: We're playing the Celtics in Marcus Square Arena at the time,
Speaker 1: and it was a close game, but they were gonna
Speaker 1: end up winning it. He's at the free throw line
Speaker 1: and gamesmanship and talking a little bit. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to, you know, throw off his rhythm, thinking
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw off Larry Bird's rhythm, and you know,
Speaker 1: as the official goes to give the got the ball,
Speaker 1: you know you'll cross the lane, like, hold up, You'll
Speaker 1: cross the lane and you know, just try to ice
Speaker 1: the ice the shooter a little bit. You know, I
Speaker 1: did that once and then I kind of did it again. Right,
Speaker 1: So he gets the ball from the official trouble of
Speaker 1: his once he's like, Reggie, are you are you freaking
Speaker 1: kidding me? Reggie, You're fucking kidding me. I'm the best
Speaker 1: shooter this game has ever seen. You think you're gonna
Speaker 1: be able to ice me? As he's as he's talking,
Speaker 1: next one, wha damn. I walked through other side, and
Speaker 1: Kevin McHale goes, yeah, that was kind of stupid of
Speaker 1: you to do something like that. Right, I'm like, oh shit.
Speaker 3: He's like, I am the best shooter this game and
Speaker 3: he's saying.
Speaker 1: It out loud so everyone can see I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, he's outing me at my home in front
Speaker 1: of all my family and friends. I'm the best shooter
Speaker 1: this game has ever seen. Wow, Like, oh shit, it's true.
Speaker 1: It is true. And people talk about what was harder
Speaker 1: playing against him or being under him as the coach,
Speaker 1: No question, being underneath him. There was so much pressure
Speaker 1: on us, not only to win every game that we
Speaker 1: had going back to Boston, which I think we were
Speaker 1: nine to one in those three years, but every game
Speaker 1: was like it had to be like a Game seven.
Speaker 1: That was his mentality. And this is how big Larry
Speaker 1: Bird was coaching our first exhibition game. We were playing in
Speaker 1: like Daytona. You know how you go to weird places
Speaker 1: for exhibition games. We're playing in Daytona. Not only did
Speaker 1: they televise the game, but they put him in a one.
Speaker 4: Box, just sitting down.
Speaker 1: Game one box and just Larry's sitting there. I'm like, shit,
Speaker 1: every game is going to be Game seven, World Series,
Speaker 1: super Bowl with this. But man, practices were intense. He
Speaker 1: didn't talk a lot. We had an offensive coordinator in
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, Rick Carlisle offensive coordinator, Dick Harter defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: and then Larry would come in in time out and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: like this yet go. We had a veteran team, Mark,
Speaker 1: the Davis Boys, Derek McKee, Rick Smith's, Travis Best, so
Speaker 1: he didn't have to he wasn't. It wasn't like our
Speaker 1: young team with Carlisle, which you know will probably have
Speaker 1: been a little different from He knew and played against
Speaker 1: a lot of us, so he kind of knew our
Speaker 1: our temperament. But it was and we wanted, we wanted
Speaker 1: to win that Lakers championship in two thousand for him too.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, man, that dude, it's a bad
Speaker 1: white boy band called me.
Speaker 6: That's who gave me the phone call when I was
Speaker 6: got my first big contract when it came in coming
Speaker 6: and Nap, that's who gave me a call. And I
Speaker 6: still remember, like today, who was going crazy?
Speaker 1: This Larry Bird?
Speaker 4: I'm like, who put the most speakerphone?
Speaker 6: Everybody running around like yeah, do you think it's funny
Speaker 6: that Isaiah took over for Bird? And when Bird came
Speaker 6: back as an executive.
Speaker 1: Fire So when the All Star Game was in Indiana
Speaker 1: two years ago, moved there. Okay, Turner came to me.
Speaker 1: It was like, hey, we want you to do a
Speaker 1: sit down and it's going to be Larry Legend and Isaiah.
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, I was like, Larry's okay. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Larry says, no problem. I was like, Isaiah's good with
Speaker 1: this because you know, there's a lot between the bad
Speaker 1: Boys and the Celtics and history between them two and
Speaker 1: what went on during playoffs, slaying if he was a
Speaker 1: regular remember all that, All that could come up and
Speaker 1: you know me, I'm not going to sugarcoat anything. That's
Speaker 1: my job is to bring it up. I said, okay,
Speaker 1: So that came up with you know, he was the
Speaker 1: executive and he was really brought into fire and he
Speaker 1: said on the show the interview, I like you, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: hell of a basketball player, and I think he did
Speaker 1: a great job. But I like Rick carl al better,
Speaker 1: your services are no longer needed because I don't think
Speaker 1: Donnie Walsh wanted to fire Isaiah, and he brought in
Speaker 1: the one guy who's gonna say or question Larry Legend,
Speaker 1: and I mean Carlile. He took us to different heights too,
Speaker 1: though in the right decision. But Isaiah's response to all
Speaker 1: that was and I don't know if you heard about
Speaker 1: this maybe. He said that the malice in the Palace
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have happened if he had been coaching that night,
Speaker 1: because the fans would have respected him and Ron would
Speaker 1: have listened to him. That's what he said on the show.
Speaker 1: Have controlled it, he could have controlled he. He said
Speaker 1: that the mouth of the Palace never would have happened
Speaker 1: if he was coaching that night, and I mean that's
Speaker 1: the bird was like, you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: But that was his response to when Larry said, you know, hm,
Speaker 1: I just like call out better. He's like, well, I
Speaker 1: think you made a mistake. This is Isaiah. I think
Speaker 1: he made a mistake because what happened in Detroit never
Speaker 1: would have happened.
Speaker 6: What people don't know is it was a possibility that
Speaker 6: what happened to Detroit could have happened in.
Speaker 1: Any that season.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, straight up, Roy legendary sneaker care though you've
Speaker 6: been big with the sneakers you uh, we do.
Speaker 1: We got a partnership with stock X used to wear Jordan's.
Speaker 1: How did that happen? Well, first of all, you could
Speaker 1: not wear Jordan's when Mike was out his superpowers and
Speaker 1: when he was with the Bulls and all that only
Speaker 1: Mike wore Jordan's. I believe. I don't think Jordan brand
Speaker 1: started to take off is when maybe he went to
Speaker 1: Washington and he was starting to face his way out
Speaker 1: and to keep the Jordan brand going. So I knew, remember,
Speaker 1: you had to do your homework. I knew it would
Speaker 1: be an irk for him. He wasn't gonna call me
Speaker 1: and tell me he wanted me to be on Jordan brand.
Speaker 1: There's no way, he was. You would never do that,
Speaker 1: never ever do that. So during a couple of times,
Speaker 1: maybe one game or two when he was with the Bulls,
Speaker 1: I wore him the game just to irk him because
Speaker 1: I just wanted to with them. And I heard it
Speaker 1: later on from you know, hey, you cannot be wearing
Speaker 1: Air Jordan's at all, even if you're playing them or
Speaker 1: not playing, you can't be I was like, okay, who
Speaker 1: said that?
Speaker 3: Though like higher ups, executives, someone really someone.
Speaker 1: That he called arn I was like, it's like, I
Speaker 1: ain't tripping. I just wanted to do it for that game.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be wearing them all the time. But
Speaker 1: then the people called him was like, hey, you want
Speaker 1: to be part of brand Jordan, you look good them.
Speaker 1: I'm like, ship all right, I'll gear. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: be sure you put be sure you put uh my
Speaker 1: name on them? You know him Spreddy go with his
Speaker 1: legs all out. It does say Reggie on there, Reggie,
Speaker 1: I see Reggie thirty. They get my own oil bit,
Speaker 1: so they did some of that. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a sneaker head in per se, though I
Speaker 1: do have a lot of the Jordans my last five
Speaker 1: years because I was a part of them, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't high up like Eddie Jones and Ray and those guys. Again,
Speaker 1: I was starting to lose my superpower. So it was
Speaker 1: more of like a courtesy because I had been with
Speaker 1: Nike basically my whole career, and they're like, all right,
Speaker 1: you could wear Jordan's.
Speaker 6: When did you start training with mic and off season
Speaker 6: with Jordans. I only did it one once.
Speaker 1: And it's when he was coming back when he was
Speaker 1: filming Space Jam and Jack Haley surfing. Jack Haley who
Speaker 1: was my center at UCLA, who was drafted by the
Speaker 1: Bulls and then he came back to the Bulls when
Speaker 1: Rodbin was there around ninety five ninety six, whenever he
Speaker 1: came back from baseball the first time, and he was
Speaker 1: filming at Warner Brothers lot and they built him they
Speaker 1: called it to Jordan Dome, and he would film all day.
Speaker 1: This is what it was crazy. This dude would film
Speaker 1: all day, starting at seven am, finished shooting at four eight,
Speaker 1: and then the runs started at about five thirty six.
Speaker 1: And he would have all at the time, all the
Speaker 1: top players, kind of like how playing at UCLA was
Speaker 1: in the men's gym, but it all went over the
Speaker 1: valley to Burbank to Warner Brothers. I mean this. I
Speaker 1: was like, man, Damn, they're crazy. They built this dude,
Speaker 1: state of the art court work, officely like top line everything,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, okay, here, I'm gonna do my reconnaissance
Speaker 1: on this. Fuck. I'm gonna find I'm gonna figure out.
Speaker 1: So every single time we never played with I was like,
Speaker 1: I got, I'm going to find something. I got, I'm
Speaker 1: going to find something. I'm gonna guard him every single time.
Speaker 1: Damn you got some of the runs. Pull it up. Man. Again,
Speaker 1: this is before the age of cell phones, and this dude,
Speaker 1: I was like shit. And only when he we play
Speaker 1: from six to about eight and then I was like
Speaker 1: when I tell people your practices aren't dead when practice
Speaker 1: is over. And then he's getting up another seven hundred
Speaker 1: to one thousand shots. Look at this. Look at the
Speaker 1: state of the fucking art this dude, one dude, look
Speaker 1: at this ship everything. Juwan Howard Eddie Jones said about us, said, man,
Speaker 1: come on, what the fucker South Thompson Surfer Jack Hayley
Speaker 1: lighted O could pass? Yeah, keep here, kick turnover, damn it.
Speaker 1: He shot. Daddy was running back for the ball. He
Speaker 1: went through the whole Yeah, man, turn this off. I
Speaker 1: don't want to see him turn this ship off. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see him. So those were great.
Speaker 1: Those are That was a cool experience to be a
Speaker 1: good time run before we get you out of yours.
Speaker 1: It's been incredible.
Speaker 5: I want to go back to the Spike Lee, Madison
Speaker 5: Square Garden, all that whole legendary stitch. I don't know
Speaker 5: if you saw your picture. We had your picture up
Speaker 5: there when you walked in.
Speaker 1: The guy. Talk to us just about the.
Speaker 5: You know, like you said early on, you hung your
Speaker 5: hat on being able to go into behind enemy lines
Speaker 5: and really do your things.
Speaker 1: So talk to us about that. Particular day in that series.
Speaker 1: It was set up the year before because we played
Speaker 1: them in a best of five the year before and
Speaker 1: I believe they beat us three to one, but you
Speaker 1: could tell the tension was kind of rising with them,
Speaker 1: and going into that series, we had beaten Orlando, shock
Speaker 1: and pity. Then we beat Atlanta and then oh my god,
Speaker 1: like we came out of nowhere. In ninety four, we're
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference Finals and oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: we're going togainst the bullies on the block. We're going
Speaker 1: against New York at the number one media market, and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh man, this is gonna be a sweet
Speaker 1: these hicks, who are these I'm like, y'all have no
Speaker 1: idea because I mean, again, I love me some Davis boys,
Speaker 1: them dudes, Rick, We did not care. And we had
Speaker 1: Larry Brown one as hard asked as he is as
Speaker 1: a coach, and he drives his players extras the nose.
Speaker 1: He's one of the best. So I knew, I knew
Speaker 1: we had a legitimate shot to get to the finals. Man,
Speaker 1: to go against that motherfucker over there. God, this hurts.
Speaker 1: It hurts because people always, you know, fans always come
Speaker 1: up and say they talk about the twenty five point quarter,
Speaker 1: they talk about eight points a ninety, all the great
Speaker 1: shots and all that me I internalize to this day.
Speaker 1: I think about the losses they hurt. It's the what ifs.
Speaker 1: So that series to be that close, and I was
Speaker 1: twenty seven at the time too, and you don't know
Speaker 1: if you're ever going to be back. We were, but
Speaker 1: you don't know. And it was such a magical run.
Speaker 1: And we rechanged Indiana. And because no one looked at
Speaker 1: us like that, no one respected us they, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was my job. I brought everyone, you know.
Speaker 1: We Indiana's predominantly all white, you know, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of racism at times. Yeah, and they were on board.
Speaker 1: The races were on board with us. Man, I mean,
Speaker 1: you doing something, and we changed the city. We were
Speaker 1: all in it together, Hicks versus the Dicks. And if
Speaker 1: you do not build up a true disdain for your opponent,
Speaker 1: I just don't feel you could ever beat them because
Speaker 1: you're That's why, you know, all the hugging and kissing
Speaker 1: and all that. Now, which I they I get it,
Speaker 1: I understand it. I just don't sit well. I mean,
Speaker 1: Byron Coop, they would look at me crazy. They would
Speaker 1: they would be so disappointed if I would have done
Speaker 1: you know, if I would do something like that. So
Speaker 1: that series, though, we had our God at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. And it will always be on me.
Speaker 1: When when you're Superman and you have your superpowers, it's
Speaker 1: always you, it's always you fit. I failed those dudes.
Speaker 1: Every time we were in the conference finals, the finals
Speaker 1: against the Lakers, it's me. I fail them, And you
Speaker 1: want to win for those guys, because you know, it's
Speaker 1: all the supporting players that talk the most shit when
Speaker 1: they get a ring and they didn't do shit to
Speaker 1: get you know, it was always Scotty or Mike or
Speaker 1: it was always Shock at Kobe. But you know, you
Speaker 1: hear some dudes as the twelfth man talking the biggest noise.
Speaker 1: You want to win it for those dudes. I failed them,
Speaker 1: and I had my opportunities to win that series. Game six,
Speaker 1: after the twenty five point quarter, the choking and all that,
Speaker 1: we were up three to two going back to Indiana. Yep,
Speaker 1: you got to close it out in your building. You're
Speaker 1: the man. You got to close them out. With a
Speaker 1: chance to play Vern and Hakeem in the final. You
Speaker 1: have to you have to do that. That falls on you.
Speaker 1: We lost, Yeah, you have a two chances to win one,
Speaker 1: but you really have You don't want to go back
Speaker 1: to the guard game seven. You don't want to go
Speaker 1: back for Game seven. And even though it came down
Speaker 1: to the last possession in game seven, we lost that series.
Speaker 1: In game I lost that series. Excuse me. In Game six,
Speaker 1: they were up big the whole way we cut it.
Speaker 1: It's three minutes left, we cut it to two. I
Speaker 1: get fouled. I go to the free throw line and
Speaker 1: we had not led at all, and I knew if
Speaker 1: we could tie or take the lead, we were going
Speaker 1: to break them. That is, you just know when it's
Speaker 1: gonna break, like a one. For freaking I go one
Speaker 1: for two at the free throw line and we're down one,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like they exhaled, like they didn't catch us.
Speaker 1: I did that. These are the things I internalize. It's
Speaker 1: me so when I'm you know, in my thoughts thinking,
Speaker 1: these are the things I think about as a former player.
Speaker 1: It's not the shots and all that, it's the what ifs,
Speaker 1: the what ifs versus Chicago in Game six or in
Speaker 1: Game seven in Chicago Stadium jump ball. I can recite
Speaker 1: all this. Pull it up, Dylan. We're up six jump
Speaker 1: ball between Rick Smith's Scottie Pippen. I believe on their
Speaker 1: side of the court. We win that go down to score.
Speaker 1: We go up eight, possibly nine with a three, with
Speaker 1: three and change left. Then you can start to massage
Speaker 1: the game a little bit. Scotty wins the tip, finds
Speaker 1: little freaking Steve Kerr hits a three, cuts it in half.
Speaker 1: We gotta win that tip. We win that tip and
Speaker 1: score God. So those are the things I think about.
Speaker 3: That's does it still haunt you to this day or
Speaker 3: you have peace with it now?
Speaker 1: It will always haunt me. It will always haunt me
Speaker 1: not winning a chip. It wouldn't haunt me as much
Speaker 1: if I was never so close. Yeah right. You could
Speaker 1: be a great player and never be close. I never
Speaker 1: had the opportunity. Oh, I had opportunities. That's what hurts
Speaker 1: is I had opportunities. And that's why it burns me.
Speaker 1: It just burns me because you want to win it
Speaker 1: for for the guys in that locker room that lay
Speaker 1: their run through a brick wall, for you, when you're
Speaker 1: the man for my Davis boys giving up their bodies
Speaker 1: Dale Davis having a dislocated shoulder, popping it back in
Speaker 1: the playoffs saying I'm good to let's go. Come on, man, man,
Speaker 1: I want to win it for those dudes and the
Speaker 1: fans on top of what makes this series. Why this
Speaker 1: is how we were thinking. This is how jack and
Speaker 1: I Mark Jackson and I were thinking. This is how
Speaker 1: cocky we were, but you have to be. We wanted
Speaker 1: to retire that dude because this is remember this is
Speaker 1: his last year, like we want to retire, send them home.
Speaker 1: That's how we felt. And another thing, why this is
Speaker 1: my fault? Twenty points at half for me and I
Speaker 1: end with twenty four. That's unacceptable. Second chance points too,
Speaker 1: that's unacceptable. This has got to be a thirty five
Speaker 1: to forty point game for me in the playoffs versus him,
Speaker 1: and he was nine for twenty nine, so he's not
Speaker 1: having a great night himself. Everything is stacked for you
Speaker 1: to beat these dudes.
Speaker 5: God, do you ever go back and watch any of
Speaker 5: these series that either you win or lost after all
Speaker 5: these years.
Speaker 1: I don't need to go back and watch them because
Speaker 1: in your mind constantly it is a non stop loop,
Speaker 1: non stop, non stop loop, in my head how I
Speaker 1: can just recite certain things. It's just we had them.
Speaker 5: We had them, Steph Curry, his greatness, the revolution, they
Speaker 5: kind of revolutionizing the art of the three point shot.
Speaker 5: You were someone who was back then they called it volume,
Speaker 5: but it wasn't the volume compared to today. Thoughts on
Speaker 5: Stephan and what he's been able to do to this
Speaker 5: game and what your game would have been like with
Speaker 5: that kind of freedom and that kind of could you
Speaker 5: played an area where it's inside out if you can
Speaker 5: come down and transition whenever you wanted and just shoot threes.
Speaker 1: I could shoot ten to fifteen threes a game, Max
Speaker 1: Bull of us. There's only a handful of players that
Speaker 1: you think about that has truly changed the game. Having
Speaker 1: a six or nine point guard. I don't think we'll
Speaker 1: ever see that again in magic, having a guy who
Speaker 1: flies air Jordan, having someone as dominant as the Shaquille O'Neill,
Speaker 1: even though they say, will someone who changed the culture
Speaker 1: like an Ai and then to me, Stephan Curry, you.
Speaker 4: Get that all let on the nose. I mean, you
Speaker 4: can't explain it better than.
Speaker 1: That, right, There is no those five guys changed basketball,
Speaker 1: and if you go to any rec league, you go
Speaker 1: to any high school, any AEU, and you see those kids.
Speaker 1: We all have kids. The first thing they do just
Speaker 1: run to that three point line and shoot and say
Speaker 1: Stephen Curry, Kirby range. He has changed and you know
Speaker 1: they try and he's come out and said, look there
Speaker 1: are steps here. I didn't just come out shooting. You
Speaker 1: know twenty five footers. You know form shooting. I work
Speaker 1: my way in and work my way out. But all
Speaker 1: they say is the end result. And he has mastered it.
Speaker 1: He is one of the all time game changers. That's
Speaker 1: big quick hitters. First thing to come to your mind.
Speaker 5: Let us know top five shooters of all time, and
Speaker 5: don't be shy.
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to say President Company excluded Larry Legend,
Speaker 1: Stephan Ray, Mark Price, and I'm gonna tell you who
Speaker 1: could shoot it. Pastakovich, Slash Draws and Petrovich. I'll put
Speaker 1: both of those itches in there. Itches, those itches, you
Speaker 1: gotta put those in the one album you can listen
Speaker 1: to with no skills. Man Thriller, Michael Jackson, I answer.
Speaker 1: I knew the answer that man, MJ. Thriller. You know
Speaker 1: how much I love it.
Speaker 5: I heard sugar Free said you had the same amount
Speaker 5: of motherfuckings and Michael Jackson he became your.
Speaker 1: You still became yourself. Thriller, baby anything, MJ. I'm listening
Speaker 1: to it NonStop. I love it. Five Dinner Guests you
Speaker 1: plus five bed or Alive. I'm gonna go with Mohammed Ali.
Speaker 1: I'll go with Barack. I will go with Denzel Rosa
Speaker 1: Parks because I want to know. I want to know
Speaker 1: that strength. I want to know. And I have one more.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Walter Peyton Sweetness, sweetness. I want
Speaker 1: to know too. Five NBA champ Whos gonna win it?
Speaker 1: Because I have to call games, it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to say who's going to win it? But I'll give
Speaker 1: you my who do I like? Well? I think it's
Speaker 1: time now for Okac to show up. All right, the
Speaker 1: last two years they've had the best regular season, but
Speaker 1: come this time of year, they faltered. And this back
Speaker 1: to your point of about vets and all that. It's time.
Speaker 1: It could be theirs to lose. But if Boston is
Speaker 1: Boston and porzingis remember they want a championship. And basically
Speaker 1: Perzinga's played two games, it was that much of a
Speaker 1: difference though. Boston is making threes and you can talk
Speaker 1: about Tatum and Brown and Perzinga's all you want to me,
Speaker 1: Drew Holliday and Derek white Man and then Pritchard off
Speaker 1: the bench. Is kind of like the year if though.
Speaker 1: If they're making threes and all that, they're going to
Speaker 1: be a very difficult out Cleveland. Man, I was so
Speaker 1: impressed in that last Indiana game playing without those they
Speaker 1: have a lot of depth. But I would love to see, okay,
Speaker 1: see in Boston in the NBA Finals. But okay, see,
Speaker 1: it's time now you got you gotta prove it because.
Speaker 3: Your windows closing fast and you know you got Luca
Speaker 3: and Lebron.
Speaker 1: Is this gonna be the last go round for for Lebron?
Speaker 5: And Clippers hot at the right time. Clippers are hot
Speaker 5: to me? Yeah, I think?
Speaker 1: And WHI is quhi now why zubots is quietly having
Speaker 1: most James Harden has killing it, Norman, Paul Lebrew and
Speaker 1: brother Clips are gonna be tough out. I feel like, hypothetically,
Speaker 1: would you trade.
Speaker 5: The game winner over m J and the ninety eight
Speaker 5: Eastern Finals for the Tayshawn block in the Eastern Finals.
Speaker 1: In four Hell yes, because it's I don't know if
Speaker 1: we would have won that Chicago series anyways if I
Speaker 1: missed that shot because it's we go back to their place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would definitely because if I make that layup and
Speaker 1: we win that series. Because I remember going into the
Speaker 1: locker room and telling Jo and Ron because you know
Speaker 1: they butted heads whose team it was. I was like,
Speaker 1: do you guys understand whoever wins this series is going
Speaker 1: to win a championship? Because the Lakers were waiting with
Speaker 1: Kobe and Shaq and all that, I was like, but
Speaker 1: they ain't playing defense like Detroit in us, whoever wins
Speaker 1: this series is going to win a championship. They could
Speaker 1: not understand that. What happens Detroit pizzas and it was
Speaker 1: a gentleman in five games suite, they beat the crap
Speaker 1: out of them. I'm like, so yes, I would change
Speaker 1: that goaltending block by Tayshaun. I would change that because
Speaker 1: if we win that series, I think we're gonna win
Speaker 1: the championship versus the Lakers.
Speaker 6: If you could see one guest on our show, who
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Speaker 6: we got business to do.
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Speaker 6: No, that's the name, but that wasn't who I was
Speaker 6: thinking about who I got business with.
Speaker 5: But you, Spike Lee's never been on here.
Speaker 6: And he just commented because I was mister Spike, I
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Speaker 1: So that's yeah.
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Speaker 5: Indeed, I mean one of the greatest players, but even
Speaker 5: better person.
Speaker 1: Uh you what it's all about.
Speaker 5: You've always been solid it to us, rid So we
Speaker 5: appreciate you, man, We love you.
Speaker 3: Thank you for your time. Man, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Guys got it emotional lear tears everything.
Speaker 3: I'm soft now, that's a man.
Speaker 1: It's okay, long over. It's okay for men to let
Speaker 1: their feelings out and cry.
Speaker 3: We've been trying to learn, man, we've been trying to learn.
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