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Speaker 1: This episode is presented to you by Draft Kings. The

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Speaker 1: crown is yours.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmmmm, and welcome back to all the smoke.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: This is a long time coming, jack Man.

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Speaker 4: I almost had some tears when he when he got

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Speaker 4: out the car.

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Speaker 1: Get some cheers up here too.

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Speaker 3: I bothered this man the last three years.

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Speaker 5: Harassed him like I felt mad at some point, like harassed,

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Speaker 5: read his ass, and then we finally got big cysts

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Speaker 5: on the show last.

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Speaker 1: That's not why I'm doing. You said you would do it.

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Speaker 1: You gave me your word. You gave me your word.

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Speaker 1: Why I'm doing said when yeah, yeah, you said you

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Speaker 1: see this episode or fiction.

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Speaker 5: You said when you got some time, you will pull up.

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Speaker 5: And man, we appreciate. We know we're right before the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Right now.

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Speaker 5: You told us your playoff schedule. That's incredible. But it's

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Speaker 5: good to see man. Welcome to the show. Regi Miller appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Smoke. Yes, I want it all by a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of stuff. I want to tuck your ship. They might

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Speaker 1: think you smoke before the show. You talk to that

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Speaker 1: for your record, and Stack will probably attest to this.

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Speaker 1: I have never ever hoped in my life until ever. Ever,

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Speaker 1: I won't be peer pressure. There little for that. I

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Speaker 1: have no problem with people that do. It's just not

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Speaker 1: my thing. I get high on life and other things.

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Speaker 1: It is so good to see. Oh my god, I

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Speaker 1: came in here to look first of all, Mad Backs.

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Speaker 1: People don't know mad Box here. Yes, come on, man,

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Speaker 1: I got a podcast because he's on the payroll now,

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Speaker 1: brother Free Crazy certified the best podcast out there for

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Speaker 1: me to be a part of it. I've known you

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Speaker 1: guys for a while. I love and respect all you guys,

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Speaker 1: and uh, let's get into it. What do y'all want

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Speaker 1: to know from me?

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Speaker 6: The feeling is definitely miche. Well, let's get this out

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Speaker 6: of the way, Madison the Palace. Let's go get this

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Speaker 6: part out the way. A lot's been told about it.

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Speaker 6: Me personally, I'm glad to see you because this I've

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Speaker 6: never had a chance to tell you that.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Just let me finish though.

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Speaker 6: Because like I, we are understood what our motivation was

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Speaker 6: for that season.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't for us, it was for you as a whole.

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Speaker 6: Motivation for getting things done the right way and getting

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Speaker 6: the championship was for you. So I never got a

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Speaker 6: chance to apologize you for my actions now with me

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Speaker 6: saying that I love you even more because you defended me,

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Speaker 6: because you knew that I was just being a lawyer teammate.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't you know, I wasn't not there being a

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Speaker 6: thug and nothing like that. So it meant a lot

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Speaker 6: to me. But we never had a chance to talk

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Speaker 6: about it during during the time has passed, so much

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Speaker 6: time has passed. How have your relationship been with guys

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Speaker 6: that was involved in guys that was on our team.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I gotta take a drink cuz I

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Speaker 1: told you I didn't want to go there.

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Speaker 4: Man, I'm trying to hold mine in all right.

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Speaker 1: Let me.

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Speaker 3: You don't need to say to me. Man, come on, man, so.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to apologize to me. First of all,

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Speaker 1: you young cats, and when I say young, I mean Jamal,

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Speaker 1: Jamaine Al yourself. Run Those last few years in Indiana

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Speaker 1: my best years. I didn't have my superpowers, but I

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Speaker 1: felt and you guys made me feel like I was

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Speaker 1: super Man. We had some dogs, man, We had a

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Speaker 1: squad that was arguably and I played on some Indiana

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Speaker 1: teams that were destined should have could have, but always

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Speaker 1: came short. That team. We were stacked. Man. We had

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Speaker 1: the best interior defender in Jermaine. We had the best

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four when we traded for Byron Scott and

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Speaker 1: I know we're going to get into mentors and all

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Speaker 1: he taught us what winning was all about, coming from

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Speaker 1: the Lakers, him being a champion. You coming having been

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Speaker 1: a champion with these young guys. We had just lost

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Speaker 1: them there. But you'll need to apologize because that's basketball,

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Speaker 1: that's life. You know, Shit's gonna happen. And even though

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Speaker 1: thirty games. Fifteen games started off at thirty though, right.

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Speaker 6: No, no, I mine got thirty thirty games suspension, yeah're

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Speaker 6: right was thirty.

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Speaker 1: Okay, those last four to five months when we were shorthanded.

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Speaker 1: Band of brothers. Like when people talk about band of brothers,

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Speaker 1: I mean people forget we had to play the next

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Speaker 1: That was the best man, you young cats you know where.

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Speaker 6: Racially it bothered me because after, you know, some time passed.

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Speaker 1: I had a conversation with.

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Speaker 6: Rick and he told me that they actually came to

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Speaker 6: you before they signed me, because they knew you were

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Speaker 6: on your way out, actually vouching me when I even

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Speaker 1: I knew your body of work, and that's all that

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Speaker 6: Well, when a guy like you, Hall of Famer, one

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Speaker 6: you somebody, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Even going to take it a step further. When they

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Speaker 1: Think about what the starting five would have been with

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Speaker 4: He's like, don't get ahead of yourself, same way I'm

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Speaker 1: No, but that's how I want, That's how I felt

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Speaker 1: and perceived your game. I was like start him. He's like, no,

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Speaker 1: that's how I got him. We got him. That's how

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Speaker 1: I'm cool with it. If this dude is starting and

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Speaker 1: I'm backing them up, well I'm all right with that.

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Speaker 1: But those were people don't understand that That night was

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Speaker 1: surreal because Detroit had they were the defending champs. We

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Speaker 1: replay loop of Tayshawn blocking my shit. I want to

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Speaker 1: talks shit. Everyone you know, you got your girl, your family, whatever. Everyone,

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Speaker 1: How are you with twelve versus twenty thousand when you

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Speaker 1: go into real enemy territory? That's how I always viewed myself,

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Speaker 1: my game, my team, all my teammates, how are you

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Speaker 1: We're like, we're going to make a statement, and we

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Speaker 6: Do you know, do you actually know what was said

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Speaker 6: in the game, because I don't know if you ever

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Speaker 6: heard that story, Jamal Tensley, I'm at the free throw line.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he tells Ron you can get you, you can

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Speaker 4: I'll turn around like bro, yeah, I'm like.

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Speaker 6: So when I heard that Ron was going and Ben,

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Speaker 6: when I worked, I after I made the free throw,

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Speaker 6: you see, I ran back down and pushed Ron off

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Speaker 6: and I guarded Ben and when he got they threw

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Speaker 6: that's when Ron got the file. Anyway, what even guard?

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Speaker 1: But what was the look back? What happened? What it

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Speaker 6: It was something from the previous then the finals, these

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Speaker 6: and that's how it started.

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Speaker 1: Which to a point, they didn't like us. We didn't

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Speaker 3: I mean, okay, all right, I mean that's what it is,

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 1: I get I get it. But then once if people

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Speaker 1: again go back to the tape and by the way,

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Speaker 1: you and Jail did a great job of putting this

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Speaker 1: all in words and film on the Netflix Malice Palace.

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Speaker 1: I'm over there with Ron, just stroking him while he's

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Speaker 1: laying on the scores table, thinking everything is diffused. Everyone's talking.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's how you know. Little scrums go, everyone

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Speaker 1: out of here. That's what we thought until because Ron

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Speaker 1: Him, and it was I mean, people think it lasted

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Speaker 1: I think Chuck person. Somehow we got Ron back on

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Speaker 1: the floor and it was even crazier on the floor

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Speaker 1: has his mace out and getting ready to spray Ron,

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Speaker 1: and I I'm like, what is your problem? And he's like,

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Speaker 1: we got to calm this situation down. I'm like, yes,

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Speaker 1: you do. You see all those people that are coming

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Speaker 1: down the Yeah, we got this. We're at Center Court.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy, it was and then trying to get

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Speaker 1: the spit then it was it was bananas and it's funny.

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Speaker 1: When it went down. The fans are deplorable. This is unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: How can this happen? Immediately that's when we were in

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Speaker 1: the locker room. It's all about the fans. By the

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Speaker 1: headed to Rikers Island. Yeah, but they flipped the whole narrative.

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Speaker 1: Every everybody getting arrested were getting arrested. Stern Stern called

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Speaker 1: someone like, nah, it was it was us. We were

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Speaker 1: the villains. And I mean you started by saying calling

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Speaker 1: yourself or someone called you a thug. I don't like

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Speaker 1: that word. I don't like that word because they tried

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Speaker 1: Something we're not something none of us were. All of

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Speaker 1: nothing's guaranteed. Championships aren't guaranteed. You know, you gotta chip,

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Speaker 1: you gotta chip, Max gotta chips. I came close. I

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Speaker 1: that's right. Y'all can talk all you want about who's

430
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: the greatest? All right, brother, that's right? I know first

431
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: head see mm hmm. Not many people I can say

432
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: they grew up in a household with the greatest of anything. Right.

433
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: I can tell people I grew up in the house

434
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: with the greatest woman's basketball player ever. All good to

435
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: my grave was that. Can y'all understand how good and

436
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: how talented. She was it is as a person and

437
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: as a storyteller. You guys know she was here some

438
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: of those battles. See when we're playing factor fiction, I'm

439
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: going to tell you why the DNA is where it is.

440
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: I blame herl a little bit, but I blame our

441
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: older brothers more so. They're eight or nine years older

442
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: than us. Saw Junior and Darryl Darrel, as you guys know,

443
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: played professional baseball for the Angels. Saw the oldest, followed

444
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: my dad into the Air Force, was there for twenty

445
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: five years. Saw Junior is the best athlete out of

446
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: all of us. People just don't know it because he

447
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: never played. He never did anything those two on two games.

448
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: And the problem is, since Saul was the oldest, he

449
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: always got to pick who he was playing with. So

450
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: he always picked Sheryl Darrel's a baseball guy, and he

451
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: was stuck with me and I was stuck garden Cheryl,

452
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: and he was torching Durrels Saul Junior those games in

453
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: the backyard of two on two. That's so I don't

454
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: fear anything. If you guys have older brothers and a

455
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: military dad, I don't fear anything.

456
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 5: When did that tide start to turn for you in

457
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 5: those games.

458
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: A well, Cheryl was always taller than I was younger,

459
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: but the tide factor fiction. I would say my freshman year,

460
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: she's one years older, Charl's one year older, and I've

461
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: seen her do things because we used to go looking

462
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: her and I. We went. We go all around the

463
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: I E. Because we wanted, We wanted everyone. We'd go

464
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: to Banning, We went to all the bad dagors, Banning,

465
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: Ruberto Samburudino, and we went looking like, we don't look

466
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: look for another. We weren't looking for dudes. We want

467
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: to play, y'all. Let's go, y'all think, y'all, let's go,

468
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: and we'd get into scraps and things, and then before

469
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: cell phones fight broke out, we had to get to

470
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: a payphone to call sault. Hey, it's pop it out.

471
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: We need help, we need they come on down. Other

472
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: than that, y'all handle your business. So that's how we

473
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: that's how the DNA of like we always went looking

474
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: for games. We always went looking, and that just built

475
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: up that tenacity of always coming. And we didn't win

476
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: on them all. But he was in it, got in it.

477
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: We were in it. But people don't understand. I love

478
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: Maya Moore. She might be next on my list, Candace

479
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: Diana Trossi. I love them all, but I'm telling you, guys,

480
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: one is my camera man. And here's the thing. One

481
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: Cynthia Cooper was coming off the bench. She was right.

482
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: I mean, she was their sixth man. With the McGee

483
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: twins and Cheryl, I mean, they had they were cold,

484
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: they were outdrawing the men. It was like literally a show.

485
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: It was. It was like magic and Kareem and James.

486
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: It was. It was that they were that big and

487
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: they were just and I love the women's game. Is there?

488
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: Finally it's there?

489
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: Yes, But I've known.

490
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: This my whole life. I'm like, now y'all want to

491
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: jump on board. You grew up with it. Now y'all

492
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: want to jump on board? Does it?

493
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 5: Does it pain you a little bit that she didn't

494
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 5: get her chance to play in the w.

495
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: I just wish you know, in today's social media environment

496
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: and landscape, everyone has YouTube and clips and all that

497
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: they they have, they haven't seen her. And that that's

498
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: what burns me, because trust me, I've seen it up

499
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: close personally against me.

500
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 5: You've seen jumpings in your face, and it just wasn't me,

501
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 5: by the way, in Riverside, it just wasn't me.

502
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't the only guy I've seen it. And she

503
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: would put on absolute clinics and barely breaking a sweat.

504
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: It was like easy for her, and there was there

505
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: was only one one woman. She raised an eyebrow that

506
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: was like, oh, And I asked her about this, Lynnette Wad.

507
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know I heard the

508
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: name for sure.

509
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 6: She's actually the all time league scorer, right, yes, that

510
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 6: Caitlin just broke Sherylwood raise an eyebrow like I might

511
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 6: have to go to bed early.

512
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: That night. Everyone else she was like next, She didn't next,

513
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: no one. Where did you guys' passion come from? You?

514
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: Pops grew up in the in the We grew up

515
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: traveling a lot, being a military family. We lived in

516
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: mark Knock, North Dakota, Nebraska, Omaha, Nebraska. We settled in Riverside,

517
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: growing up in a military household. For those of you

518
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: who don't know, yes, sir, no sir, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am.

519
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: Everyone had chores, Everyone had something to do, respect, being

520
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: on time, honor. You say you're gonna do something, to

521
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: do something. If you don't like something, you don't like

522
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: a coach.

523
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: So make it work. None of this, I'm gonna leave.

524
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go.

525
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean there were some coaches I played with in

526
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: college and in the professionals. I'm not gonna go to

527
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: Donnie Moffs. I'm gonna I have to make it work.

528
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: So you So that discipline came from saw Miller senior

529
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: because he didn't play. And I think we were more

530
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: scared of our mom than we were him, because she

531
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: was a reflection of Pops and she was to stay

532
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: at home. He worked at March Air Force Base, and

533
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: we knew not to get out of line because no

534
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: one wanted to see that switch or belt. Sorry, y'all,

535
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: that's what happened back there.

536
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it used to be the worst my dad, but

537
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 5: my mom was the same. To stay at home, mom,

538
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 5: And if I fucked around too much and he didn't

539
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 5: want to get heard whooping and he go sit in

540
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 5: your room. Your dad gets home, that's the worst.

541
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 6: One of the worst ones is too, when they make

542
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 6: you go get picked with picket.

543
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah out there, I wanted about this long.

544
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you haven't had the one when when you

545
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 4: they wait till you get out the tub.

546
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 6: At the tub and they come in there with the bill. Oh,

547
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 6: that's the worst one. That's that's the worst one. So

548
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 6: that's sorry, mom.

549
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: That's how the DNA started in the family. It was

550
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: obviously the military background, but my brothers they molded charl

551
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: and I and Tammy. Tammy's three years younger than me,

552
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: but they they helped mold us. They don't get enough

553
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: credit for what they were doing was making us competitive,

554
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: making us com everything clue, no spades, everything was everything

555
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: was a game, everything the good old days.

556
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 5: Any truth that your form came from trying to shoot

557
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 5: over Sheryl, talk to us about that fact.

558
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fact, because again she was three to four

559
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: inches taller than than I was trying to get over her.

560
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: Boom boom, How on the hellme? So I would step

561
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: back further boom. So then I started the I was

562
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: able to get a high arc and for some reason

563
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: long way because I wasn't strong enough is I crossed

564
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: my hands and it just Jack knows the click, and

565
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: that's how that started. I started moving further back and then,

566
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: like I said, just in ninth grade when I we

567
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: were almost the same height. That's when it took off.

568
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: First step came shooting was down and but that's fact. Yes,

569
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: her blocking my stuff. You just said some.

570
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 6: Why is this generation making it seem like the step

571
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 6: back shot is just coming?

572
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: I know you've been doing it forever, and I got

573
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: it a lot from Kicky Vandaway okay, from U C.

574
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: L A. From our one on one battles. He was like,

575
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: this is this is an unstoppable move and if you

576
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: can do it left and right, you'll play a long time.

577
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 1: So that's where I really honed it in. But I've

578
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: been doing it. That's now a lot of the guys today,

579
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: I can't know what the Travelers not four steps James

580
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: Harden and that's four steps. Wow. I was like, man,

581
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: if I could have done that versus Mike Ship, I

582
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: might be I might be the goat. But if I'd

583
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: have done that against Mike four steps, four steps Ship,

584
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: I did it all two and a half. I forget sim.

585
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 5: If I can get four talk to just about your

586
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 5: childhood and you had a hip deformity and you were

587
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 5: in metal leg braces as a kid. What age range

588
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 5: was that for you?

589
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: From two to about six or gump. Yeah, that's exactly

590
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: what it was. Both my legs were like this out

591
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: and they had to wear them to bring them back in.

592
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: This one was ended up being normal. This one if

593
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 1: if you see me without pants on, my knee still

594
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: kind of goes this way, even though like so my

595
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: feet are straight now, this knee goes this way. Like

596
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: this one's lined up. This one's kind of this way.

597
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: And that was the most frustrating thing is being inside

598
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: with my mom in the kitchen window washing Sheryl, Saul

599
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: Durrel and tam me to a degree. But those three,

600
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, playing knockout around the world corkball, didn't do

601
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: none of it. I'm just in there with mom, and

602
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: she said, your time will come. Your time will come,

603
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: like but when? And they didn't even think I was

604
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: gonna be able to run even when I got them off.

605
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: Forget that. I don't want to will maroulaf She wore bracest too,

606
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: and look what happened to her. So I had to

607
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: get out there with them. I mean, it's something to

608
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: be said about having big families. You know, you want

609
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: to be a part, You won't to be left out.

610
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 5: Don't want to be last no, I had to be

611
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 5: out there with them.

612
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 6: But just that support system of knowing what to say

613
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 6: to you to keep your confidence, you know what I'm saying.

614
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 6: Going through that as a kid, you don't know, you

615
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 6: know where you're live, you're gonna be able.

616
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: To ever run right, you know what I'm saying.

617
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 6: So to have that support system to keep that confidence

618
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 6: in you, like a lot of people, that's a blessing

619
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 6: to have, right.

620
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: And it's funny because if you watch me run, I

621
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: mean this, I run like this. It's always out. I

622
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: mean you can kind of see how I even just

623
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: it's just always out. So I run weird. But it's

624
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: effective because you know, I never had any knee issues,

625
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: no ACLS. Cycling has helped, you know. It's Yeah, it

626
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: was frustrating, but I think it was a blessing in

627
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: disguise because it made me even more hungrier to do

628
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: because my first love was baseball. Okay, that was my

629
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: I didn't basketball. I picked up secondary. I wanted to

630
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: be the next Rock Carew. I wanted to be like

631
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: durl I wanted to play baseball. Baseball was my that

632
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: was gonna be my end, and I was all everything

633
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: in Little League pitch, hit, I could do everything got

634
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: better in Pony, and then once high school came, I

635
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'm going to settle in. I'm going

636
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: to be center field. I can control the outfield and

637
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: I was a great pitcher in the little league. And

638
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: the high school coach said, you're going to pitch. I'm like, uh,

639
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: you know, the mound is different. You know little league

640
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: mountains here and here. You know, of course I'm throwing fast.

641
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: Why don't you get to high school? The bounds moved back.

642
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not going to pitch. She's like, oh,

643
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna pitch. I'm like, no, I'm not going to pitch.

644
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: I want to play center phil if you want me

645
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: to play, It's like, no, you're going to pitch. I'm like.

646
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: That's when I started concentrating on basketball in track. I mean,

647
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: and I so wanted to be a two sport. I

648
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: still wanted to do that, but I stuck with basketball

649
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: and a little bit of track, and that was it.

650
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: I think it worked out all right, it worked hard.

651
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I wish I could have played baseball at UCLA,

652
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: if if that would have happened, or because I think

653
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: I would have been decent.

654
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 5: Speaking of UCLA, you were you were You were there

655
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 5: early enough to not see any three point lines for

656
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 5: a little bit of your college time.

657
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: My last year was the first year there a three

658
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: point line. Then what was that like for you?

659
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 5: When did you realize, Like, obviously your form and being

660
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 5: able to shoot deep came from the family, but when

661
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 5: did you realize, like, once that line came in, this

662
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 5: is something I can be consistent in it.

663
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: The pro game had it, and being at UCLA. And

664
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: do you guys know this because you got have been

665
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: up there the those summers men's gym. That's the next

666
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: question actually, so I'm going to put it all in

667
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: one for those of you who don't know, especially and

668
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: this is in the mid eighties, late eighties, the men's

669
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: gym was the mecca of summer basketball. Course, because you

670
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: would have magic in the Lakers and this is the

671
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: height of show Takers and Showtime and Boston, that whole rivalry.

672
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: And during the summer you would have a Lakers team,

673
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: you would have a team of pros that were hanging

674
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: out all summer. You would have our UCLA team, the

675
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: A and B team, So you had four teams and

676
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: you had two courts and go and started at three

677
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: and ended at about five, five thirty games to ten

678
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: by ones. And so I knew going against the pros,

679
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: and I know, you know, we want to talk about

680
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: mentors and all that. I talked about John Long. The

681
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: reason why I'm even on this show in this position

682
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: almost forty years in the professional space, if it's not

683
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: for Byron Scott Michael Cooper, who those two guys in particular,

684
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: taking me under their wing when I was a freshman.

685
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: I hung on every word because again, remember now these

686
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: are the Lakers showtime, and those two dudes at that position,

687
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: my position, I wanted to know everything and right I'm

688
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: an LA kid Riverside to be exactly, and the Lakers

689
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: are everything. Though I patterned my game after Larry Bird,

690
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: so I was conflicted because I wanted the Lakers to

691
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: win everything, but I wanted Larry Bird to do well

692
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: because that was the guy I wanted to play like.

693
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: So I hung on every word that Coop and be

694
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: Scott would tell me, you know, this is how you

695
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: gotta work, moving without screens and all that. Byron he

696
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: would literally walk me through this during the summers. Do

697
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: this look at their feet, look at their chest, look

698
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: at their waist, look at their hands. This is how

699
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: you throw them off. Grab by the wrist, act like

700
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: you're going one way, throw them. I mean, all the

701
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: little tricks. Sorry, Vernon, I used to do that to

702
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: you a few times too.

703
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: I learned that just all kinds of tricks.

704
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: So I knew I could shoot with them, but preparing

705
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: and prepping with them, that's what made me believe I

706
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: could shoot. And when the three point line came in

707
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: my last year it was nineteen nine, I'm like, I've

708
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: been shooting twenty five thirty footers since high school, so

709
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: I knew it wouldn't it wouldn't be anything.

710
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember this, but it was

711
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 5: two thousand and nine ten season and I somehow tracked

712
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 5: your number down because I was guarding Ray Allen in

713
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 5: the playoffs and I wanted to ask you, how the

714
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 5: fuck do I slow him down coming off screens?

715
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: And you gave me the.

716
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: Grab the wrist to grab the shorts.

717
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 5: And some other things, and it's crazy I remember that,

718
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 5: and obviously I didn't stop him, but just getting those

719
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 5: just to.

720
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: Down, because I mean, Ray would be great in today's

721
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: game if you can't hold like the freedom of movement.

722
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: Then you want oh my god, yeah rip Hamilton, Yeah,

723
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean you would too though.

724
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 7: All that pushing ship, I gotta put that in there.

725
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: Players in today's game has such an advantage. Yes, yes,

726
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean you almost had to draw blood to get

727
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: open against Vernon. You almost had to. And then if

728
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: you got open, you had oldest thorp, the longest ship.

729
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: Drive into the hole. You're driving into the dream. Don't

730
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: you don't you come in here? Don't you come in here?

731
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: Back to the men's joke, was magic call the bullshit.

732
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 5: God, Oh my god, don't be oh man, man, oh man.

733
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: There was an a corps, you know, be a winner's

734
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: court and the loser court a court court man. The

735
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: Lakers always stayed on the winning court matter what. Max, no,

736
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: matter what, he could go to the hole and be

737
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: wide open and miss the Layah, you're like teammates. He

738
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: don't even call him fire. He called him for his teammates.

739
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 5: If like, like you said, if Max would have missed

740
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 5: the shot, he is on no no to bring that back,

741
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 5: you fellow.

742
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: And the only time this didn't happen, it was one

743
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: magical I don't know how this happened. Oh, I do

744
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: actually know how it happened. It was the first year

745
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: of Magic's Midsummer Night's Game, the very first year, and

746
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: it was in Pauly Pavilion before it moved to the Forum,

747
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: and he had everyone because it was the first year,

748
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: and Larry came out and before that game actually happened.

749
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: So Larry was out maybe two days ahead of time

750
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: for these pickup runs. And Larry walks in, right, So

751
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: you have the Lakers, you have the selection of pro

752
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: players U C, L, A, A and B team. So

753
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: of course Larry says, all right, I'm gonna be on that,

754
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: you know, selection of proteins, and everyone's like, oh my god,

755
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: Larry Magic then like you know, that was the first

756
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: time I saw Buck like, Okay, there ain't gonna be

757
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: none of this bullshit because Larry, Larry was like having it.

758
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: Larry wasn't having it. Larry was not having and it

759
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: was some of it was like this is there's no footage,

760
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: no one, no one knows how to the oh my god,

761
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: some of the passes. And then and then Coop Coop

762
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: and Larry didn't they really didn't like one another, I

763
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: mean really didn't like one another. No, I got him,

764
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: you know cool, I got him. I want him, Like

765
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: this is what I was learning, right, this is this

766
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: is all going into the DNA. This is why I'm like, okay,

767
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean again, never take a step back, take two four,

768
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: don't ever take a step back. No. I want him.

769
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't care if a summer league. I want him.

770
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, this is good. So you see

771
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: we're over you see them. This is unbelievable talking all

772
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: this shit. I mean, this ship is for real. This

773
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: is how we grew. So as a nineteen eighteen, nineteen

774
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: year old kid, you're like, okay, and that was it

775
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: for my four years. That used to la every summer

776
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: was like that, Oh, how are you really you really

777
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: want to get to the next level. Okay, we'll meet

778
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: us on Drake Stadium at seven thirty. We're gonna run

779
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: down stairs. And do you remember at Drake they had

780
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: that pull up bar in the end zone, right, and

781
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: it was great about that pull up. It was like

782
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: for tall people like you had to jump up and

783
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: do and Malik Monsieur, who was one of the guys

784
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: who was doing workouts, Yep, we're gonna do King Kong's

785
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: new fronts, and then you know they're like, you don't

786
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: have to get in the weight room and get big,

787
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, because you sa later like, oh you gotta

788
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: get bigger, you're bigger and cooping. No, you gotta get strong.

789
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: You ain't gotta get big. You gotta get strong. You mean,

790
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 1: it's on the track. It's like, are you all really

791
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: going to be there. It's like I put you like this.

792
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: If you ain't there, if you come at seven thirty one,

793
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: you ain't. You can't work out with us. Man, I

794
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: was there at seven o'clock. Sure enough, seven twenty five.

795
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: Those dudes roll up. These are champions, right man. What

796
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: to be exposed to that different?

797
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got a taste of that too. I mean

798
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 5: to me, I credit that getting us over the hunt

799
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 5: and we had so much talent. But those summer runs,

800
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 5: like you said, from the time I'm seventeen, just turning

801
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 5: to eighteen, playing with Cob and Shack and oh man, guys,

802
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 5: just like every single day.

803
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: In every day, religiously playing with the best.

804
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 5: It made you think your life, playing a couple of days,

805
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 5: some of the rough days and make it they like, damn,

806
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 5: I gonna be able to do this. Rest in peace

807
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 5: to the great Loutolsen. You and you and lout Uh

808
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 5: had some battles.

809
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: Damn lout Damn Arizona Wildcats, Damn Steve Kerr. Yeah, damn

810
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 1: Craig Bill was Bushley there then too, you know? Yeah

811
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: bush Sean Elliott, Yeah, Ratchet, Ratchet place Ratchet. Here's the problem,

812
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: not the problem? And why lout Olson and I Before

813
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: he took Arizona, I believe he was the head coach

814
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: at Iowa and he was recruiting me and I wasn't

815
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: gonna go to Iowa. And then when he got the

816
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: job at Arizona, I thought about it. I considered it,

817
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: but being a hometown kid, everyone wanted to play for

818
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: the Brew. Everyone wanted to be used to late Bruers,

819
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: kt La Chama five. You knew where your games where.

820
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: Everyone wanted to be part of the wooden system. So

821
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: I went there. He went to Arizona and turned it

822
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: into a powerhouse. I'll give him all the credit, but

823
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: man hat Feels and McCoy's you, of course you say

824
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: the USC is, yes, but our next was Arizona. We

825
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: hated them, They hated us. They hated me in particular,

826
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: because I just loved going in there and.

827
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 3: Busting their ass, busting their ass.

828
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: But you know a few times I crossed the line,

829
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: But who's counting. I mean it's college. There's no footage,

830
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't think, so it never happened. Never happened. When

831
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: does shit talk and become a weapon for you? I

832
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: think it goes back to Sheryl blocking my shit in

833
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 1: the rose bushes and Sol and Durrell. I mean that's

834
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: all we But there's an art to it, and there's

835
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: a way to it. Because you don't want to get two.

836
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're not out there talking about

837
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: people's mamas and things. You got to do a little

838
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: homework too to know a person's DNA and personality and

839
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: what triggers them like people, And I want people to

840
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: understand this. I love me some John Starks a lot

841
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: like that dude over there will run through a wall

842
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: and will do whatever it takes to win. I love

843
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: dudes like that, But unlike mad Max, Starks could be triggered,

844
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: and I knew that, and I would play not only

845
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: on his emotions, but I knew if I talked to

846
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: Oak and Patrick an earshot of him, like I'm talking

847
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: to Patrick you want to during the game about Starks.

848
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: It would trigger him because he couldn't control his emotions

849
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: because he was just you know, he came almost from nothing.

850
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: You know, he was bagging groceries. They found him, you know,

851
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: and now he's playing the number one media market, on

852
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: the number one stage and MSG. So he would do

853
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: whatever to stay there. And so you have to do

854
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: a little homework on your opponent. So that's how I

855
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: used it, And a lot of times I would talk

856
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: ship to get myself going too. Yeah yeah, self motivation,

857
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Fact to fiction.

858
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 6: Your old AOL email address started with the letters t

859
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 6: T for trash talking trash tar got.

860
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:45,959
Speaker 1: We all know that ship.

861
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 5: That's good, they to They told Wayne's right.

862
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 6: You bought dictionaries in different languages before the Olympics, so

863
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 6: you can tell to other.

864
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: Yes, I did, and I was butchering the language, but

865
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: they knew what I was trying to say. Yes, I

866
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: want it because I wanted them to know I'm here, baby, Yeah,

867
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: in their own language. You getting this? Yes? Fact yeah?

868
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 6: Is it true that you had to if you lost

869
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 6: the bet to Spike Lee, you had to visit Mike

870
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 6: Tyson the jail very fact.

871
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: And so that first year in ninety four, that series

872
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: that went in epic seven games, the whole choking twenty

873
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: five point quarter, that whole episode series. We made a

874
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: bet we win. At the time, I was married, he

875
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: would put my wife in cameo spot in one of

876
00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: his films if they win. At the time, Mike was

877
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: incarcerated in Indiana on a rape charge. I had to

878
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: go visit the Champ. I'm like, okay, obviously they ended

879
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: up winning that summer. I think it was mid June.

880
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: I go to the facility. I'm like, hey, I'm here

881
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: to see the Champ Mike Tyson. And the guard was like,

882
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, obviously he knew. He knew the series, he

883
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: knew everything I had gone down. Okay, I'll go get him.

884
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 1: Just take a seat right there. I'm like, okay, five

885
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: minutes goes by, he'll be out in another five minutes.

886
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, fifteen minutes goes by, twenty half hour, hour,

887
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: hour and a half. I'm like, I mean he knows

888
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm here to see him. Right Like, Mike got in

889
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: an altercation with one of the guards. Shit, I think

890
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: he broke a guard to draw will not be coming

891
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: out to see you. I was like, did he really

892
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: do that? I don't know if that was true or

893
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: if that was the story they were telling me, or

894
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: he was embarrassed to come see me because he had

895
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: to have known what was online because it was national

896
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: news that this was the bet between Spike and I.

897
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: But I was there for two hours. I don't know

898
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: if he broke a guard's jar or not, but I

899
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't put it past him to have done that, no question.

900
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 4: So that's a fact might look at some people join

901
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 4: to just yes, yes.

902
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: It's gonna jump out the way.

903
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 6: You have any favorite form, swear words that you still

904
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 6: remember it.

905
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: Any swear words foreign did you used? Didn't remember none

906
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,959
Speaker 1: of them. I wouldn't either. How did you guys find

907
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: that out? That was only a select few who found

908
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: that one They told you about dyling before. You can't

909
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: deal with this. Damn very good, very good. And the

910
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: one I tried to do this is before the Olympics.

911
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I saw when mad Max was

912
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: in this seat talking about him.

913
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 8: There was one dude, God damn all right.

914
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: For those of you who do not know who drawing

915
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: petrovit draws man and I tell people this. You know,

916
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: Curry is the goat of all shooters. You know. Look,

917
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: I'll give him all that, but before him, man, you

918
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: could be this close to the mike. You could be

919
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: this close to him. It didn't matter. And not only

920
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: is he giving it off, he's telling you about it too, English, broken, broken,

921
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 1: good English.

922
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, you don't know what the hell he's saying.

923
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 9: He's bobbing, he's talking.

924
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: Giving it to you, giving it to you. I mean,

925
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: treat that. I didn't get frustrated against a lot of players.

926
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: That dude listen to me. And then on top of that,

927
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: you got Derek fucking Coleman like backing them up. Yes, sir,

928
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: this dude was the best shooter. Catch and shoot one

929
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: dribble to dribble. He did not miss no, literally, And

930
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: I said to myself, how the hell was he not

931
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: playing in Portland? But you had Clyde there. But when

932
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: he got to your new jersey, the good lord, good lord, oh.

933
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 10: My god, that I mean, you could be It didn't

934
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 10: matter single double motion you and and God rest his soul, smell.

935
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: Terrible, smell terrible, And you had to be all on us.

936
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: Hit you.

937
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 9: You ain't gonna be like that all shows they're gonna

938
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 9: be with me.

939
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: Come on, man, So no easy giving it to you,

940
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: hogking ship to you. But after the game you smell

941
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: your teammates are like, damn man, hop in the shower man.

942
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: That's crazy man.

943
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 5: That's a part of his package.

944
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: Look, I want to tell you, so I'm gonna give

945
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: an education of other guys that people don't know about,

946
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: because that would give you buckets. Mad Max won't know this.

947
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: Here's another name for you, guys that would give you buckets.

948
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: And that came out of my draft. And there was

949
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: three of us. There was Reggie Williams, please myself. But

950
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: there was another Reggie that would bust your behind. Duh Lewis.

951
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: Reggie Lewis would give you buckets. And again he had

952
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: the luxury of having Larry Legend and Kevin McHale and

953
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: all them dudes in his DNA. Reggie Lewis, y'all, God

954
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: rest his soul in peace. Yeah, what a walking bucket,

955
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

956
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 5: Yes, Boston and kind of in that era of Boston

957
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 5: lost two young gratce Lynn Biason.

958
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: If you think about the championships, they would have had

959
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: m h I mean Lynn and this was Larry was

960
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: still Larry. He had his superpowers when they drafted Lin

961
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: Bis so Lynn Bias. Learning under Larry Bird with a

962
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: superpower would have been scary. So you got so wrong

963
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: with you me? Yes, what happened?

964
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 6: You said the smell was part of his baggage.

965
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 5: That was in his bag. Smell was in his bag.

966
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 5: It's part of the game. So obviously your ship talking

967
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 5: is so legendary. You're one of the very few and

968
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 5: maybe the only person that got in got into a

969
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 5: fight with Kobe and MJ.

970
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: What kind of homewor did you do for both them? Dudes?

971
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 4: I just think they got in the fights because they

972
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 4: got tied to.

973
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: Chasing this nigga like man slowed down Rench. You got that,

974
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: all right? I've been waiting, Okay, yeah, I've been waiting

975
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: because people always ask me. I've been waiting for the

976
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: right forum to tell the story. Welcome to death Rope.

977
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: We're honored. We will start with the MJ fight. Shall

978
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: we watch them? We shall a little trip down memory.

979
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: But you gotta go back, gotta go back to when

980
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: they have the ball, So go back, go back. Oh no,

981
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: he got to pull the whole clip up, pull the

982
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: whole clip up there we go. Yeah, so this is it.

983
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: Watch this one two. I'm like, okay. I tried to

984
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: get him there and he got out the way. So

985
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, tip in, I'm going straight

986
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: to him. Let him know. Okay. I had to hurry

987
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: up and turn around me because I don't want him to

988
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: come in like choke hold me. He tried to rake you.

989
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, we both get into we get

990
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 1: into this. He scrapes my eye like you can't see

991
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: he was trying to scratch it. I saw him right.

992
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: So all this goes down. This is in ms A,

993
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: by the way, this is it. We're at home. We

994
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: are at home and Marcus Square Arena playing Michael Jordan's

995
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: So this ship goes down. Ronnie Nunn. Ronnie Nun comes in,

996
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: breaks it all up. They huddle up. I'm thinking, okay,

997
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: so back in the day, a lot of it. Look

998
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: at this. Scratch scratch the crap out of me. Look

999
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: at this. But look I'm holding them and controlling them.

1000
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but you ain't going anywhere again. Goes

1001
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: pull ups stadium. So I'm thinking, okay, maybe we'll get

1002
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: double technicols maybe if I get thrown out, he's gonna

1003
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 1: get thrown out.

1004
01:01:59,200 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 3: We both are.

1005
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: Throwing Jess curseyes man. Okay, Jess had a fresh do

1006
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: for the game. Say that cut was clean. Hold on,

1007
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: so just you got kicked out the game. I didn't

1008
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: know that. That's wow. Both punches that now three?

1009
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 9: They ain't never throwing Mike who shooting free throws right now?

1010
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: You found him rich.

1011
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 9: They thow Mike got no motherfucking.

1012
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: Game in our in our building, maybe in Chicago, in

1013
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: our building.

1014
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 9: He's shooting the technicals too.

1015
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: Goddamn forty five on us. Not that he wouldn't have

1016
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: scored forty five with me in the game, but ship

1017
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: give me a chance in our building. MJ threw three

1018
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: punches and then get kicked out the game. That's crazy.

1019
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: The next day I got a one game suspension. You

1020
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: got kicked out any game suspension, and he got three games?

1021
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: So why did he get three games then? And it

1022
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: was kicked out day in the game. Wow, So they

1023
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: let him play the game.

1024
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 5: This suspended and then suspended us. And that's what they

1025
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 5: did me at the San Francisco program.

1026
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: Come on, man, because my mix in.

1027
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 5: Town Max said when Mike came to Houston, all his

1028
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 5: women started working.

1029
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing, man, you would see these you

1030
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: would see you know, you go out to a club

1031
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 1: or whatever, bar, whatever, and you see these same chicks,

1032
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: real regular you come to a bulls game. Why are

1033
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: you dressed like it's Sunday church?

1034
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 9: Man saying I told you about this Mike come to

1035
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 9: your city, just coming out and they think they're gonna

1036
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 9: getting married. One of them thinks it's gonna get hit

1037
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 9: by Mike.

1038
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: Of my whole career, one thing I wish a regret.

1039
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: And you know, people will say I wish we would

1040
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: have had I would have had more than one series

1041
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: versus that dude. I'm not saying I would have won.

1042
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: He would have won, probably not, but you're judged by wins.

1043
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: I won a few battles. He always won the wars.

1044
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: He's got six of them, and we took them seven games.

1045
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: I just wish we would have had more. I wish

1046
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: I could have gone against him more. Yeah, and I

1047
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: don't want people jumping on the internet. I'm not saying

1048
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: we would have beat them. I would if I would

1049
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: have been.

1050
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 3: The same thing.

1051
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: But man, I want to see I got confident. I

1052
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: want to see how I am versus that dude thing too,

1053
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, I want to see how I am versus

1054
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: that dude. He obviously had a lot of respect and

1055
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: spoke highly of you.

1056
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 5: But what what was different when you played a game

1057
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 5: against him and the bulls.

1058
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: I can only speak for myself. I can't speak for Max.

1059
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: There was no weaknesses. Try to force him left, you

1060
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: try to force them right, you try to top lock them,

1061
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: you try to hold you, try to be physical with him.

1062
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: I equated to like this. It was like and maybe

1063
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: this is how sinners feel when they were going against Shack.

1064
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: He was shock of shooting guards. I don't care. There

1065
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: was no way you can get around him, in front him.

1066
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: He was just too strong. And then he had a

1067
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: forty eight inch vertical so you were never blocking.

1068
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 3: His shot, and he.

1069
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: Could stop on a die his handles. And then he

1070
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: held the ball like it was like an orange. So

1071
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: he's tawning you holding the ball in your face. The

1072
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: tongue is all out and shit and shooting the fucking

1073
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: gum and all that shit. And then come down, the

1074
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: black eyes are looking at you, and I'm looking right

1075
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: back at it, and I'm the fuck I ain't going anywhere. Yeah,

1076
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: and he's looking at you and man, no weaknesses, none, zero,

1077
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: I could look. I loved you. I'm watching. I'm always

1078
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: trying to find a tail, and I found the tail

1079
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: on everyone. I could not find a tail, not one nothing.

1080
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: Damn Like, Okay, if he goes left x amount of times,

1081
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: what is his percentages? Great? Right? Great, step back great, great, great,

1082
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: rebounding great, passing great. You can't punk them. I'm trying

1083
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: to find something. So it's almost like ship by committee there, key,

1084
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: I mean.

1085
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 9: We got to get some help down this motherfucker.

1086
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: Come on, come on now, I've been calling.

1087
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 6: You crowd to be the toughest shouting basketball. Which is

1088
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,959
Speaker 6: the fight away. He shot that ship, I mean high

1089
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 6: clip and at the I cannot blocking.

1090
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 1: You can't get it. But it's fade away and it's

1091
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: at forty eight inches.

1092
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, when it got to learn how to put it

1093
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 9: back to the basket and get in that post.

1094
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: That's what he got. And then he would do the one. Yeah,

1095
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: he get that. He get that him and maybe maxkinis

1096
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: hast to this pick and rolls. Don't let your big

1097
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: be one step to he's splitting and then now it's

1098
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: up to dal and Antonio alone.

1099
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 8: He's your's your problem.

1100
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: Now he splits, But then when you would extend him

1101
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: to half court, he would get this shoulder or this shoulder,

1102
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: which the way he was coming off, and get under

1103
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: the big and then it's downhill. So now if you're trailing,

1104
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: as shooting guards are, you got to get under and

1105
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: then he's putting. And on top of that he can shoot.

1106
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: He can shoot. They talked about it.

1107
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 6: I've seen a lot of videos about his leticism, but

1108
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 6: I seen the video recently and when he got a

1109
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 6: till bar and they passed on him, he went up

1110
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 6: a vertical on Charles Bark.

1111
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: That shit was so bad. I'm like, that's another thing

1112
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: that people don't understand. Not only could he he's known for,

1113
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, the two handed, but he could one leg too,

1114
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: either leg too, yeah, either leg like it was, and

1115
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: be out till four or five o'clock in the morning, smoking,

1116
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:32,839
Speaker 1: drinking whatever. Yeah, car yes, all this shit games at seven, seven.

1117
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 9: Thirty it sometime he'll go play golf the same day

1118
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 9: he'll play man.

1119
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: It's almost like he was trying to make it fair.

1120
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 5: Let me go get a buzz into some heat strokes.

1121
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 5: You guys can have a chance to know.

1122
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: Didn't have a tail guys, and you know it. You

1123
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: hear it all the time, who's the goat, who's the

1124
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: greatest and all that between you know him and Lebron.

1125
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: And I try to stay away from that because he

1126
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: went against Lebron his first year. He was a rookie

1127
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: my last year, so I don't have no point of reference.

1128
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,560
Speaker 1: But I will say Lebron has the greatest career. I

1129
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: say that all. He has the greatest career. But Mike

1130
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: is the best basketball player ever. But Lebron has the

1131
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: greatest career. And I think while a lot of old

1132
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: heads want to dog out Lebron is because they were

1133
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 1: never as good as he is this late in their career,

1134
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 1: and they want to get on him for that. Lebron

1135
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: at twenty two years in, at forty one, forty whatever

1136
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 1: he is and he's about ready to be first or

1137
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: second team all NBA. As old guys, they were never

1138
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: call him all out. Some of them won't just good

1139
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: in a prime that's today. They wasn't. And for him

1140
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: to be this good this long, you've got to say

1141
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: he has the greatest career by far. But is he

1142
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 1: the best? That's greatest and best is two different things.

1143
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: And I think that's why old heads are getting it

1144
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: mixed up and they don't want to give Lebron his due.

1145
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: He deserves that. I mean, we all wish we could

1146
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: be playing like him in year twenty two, in any

1147
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: year period. I mean, he's about ready to be on

1148
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: one of the All NBA teams at forty from the

1149
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: Master to the Disciple, Cob, I've been waiting on this.

1150
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: I've been waiting on this story. They had just won

1151
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: the championship the year before. It's almost kind of like

1152
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: the Detroit, Indiana thing. So we're in Staples and they're

1153
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: about ready to win the game year. This is the

1154
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 1: year after they won. So that's one two I believe right.

1155
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 1: You got a Q okay, yes, get a cute okay,

1156
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: so get a cute kigy. So they're getting ready to win.

1157
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 1: This is in Staples, and can I can I go

1158
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: back a little bit of the history with Kobe and I. Okay,

1159
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: before we get to the when he was drafted and

1160
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: getting ready and going through the process, he and I

1161
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: had the same agent, Arn tell him, okay before he's

1162
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: flood off t Ra Polinka, who was under arn Tell Okay,

1163
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: so Arn as they're getting ready to as the draft

1164
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: is going on and they're getting ready to sign him,

1165
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: calls me up, Hey, I want you to mentor and

1166
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,799
Speaker 1: talk to this young kid, Kobe. I was like, absolutely, Yeah.

1167
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: He loves Michael Jordan. He knows everything, you know. He

1168
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: wants to know everything about Mike. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike.

1169
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,839
Speaker 1: So I would call Kobe. I would talk to Kobe

1170
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: all the time during that seven game series with the

1171
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: Bulls and all that. Afterwards, I'd be in the office

1172
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: and I'd be calling Kobe. He's like, Hey, what was

1173
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: Mike doing on that play? What were you saying to him?

1174
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: He wanted to know everything about that Wow. Right, he

1175
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: was a true student. He was studying all of us.

1176
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: He wanted to know everything about that series. Why did

1177
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: you do this? What was his counter? So there was

1178
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: a history between Kobe and I. Fast forward to us

1179
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: playing them in the finals, and before that, Kobe and

1180
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 1: I did a shoot. It was he and I versus

1181
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: At the time. You guys remember on MTV the Real World,

1182
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: the cast, the people that all lived in the house.

1183
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: This is when reality TV was just starting. It was

1184
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: Kobe and I versus the real world. There was like

1185
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: twelve of them that were living in the house we

1186
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: were playing. They were going to play us. There was

1187
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: fifteen of them and us two versus them and the losers,

1188
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: and they made the bet washed Kobe's dogs or something

1189
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: like that. And this was a chance he and I.

1190
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: This is before we made it to the finals, that

1191
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: we had a chance. And Gail dia Castino, who Dylan

1192
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: you've worked with, she worked with both of us, and

1193
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: she's like she came to me and she's like, hey,

1194
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: just letting me know. Kobe's gonna want to play you

1195
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: one on one and I'm at the height of mine.

1196
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: He's just you know, this is his second or third year,

1197
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: maybe second year. I'm like, I'm not gonna play one

1198
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: on one, but i mean I'll teach you some stuff.

1199
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: I'll you know, we'll get on the court. And so

1200
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: we're on the court. He's like teaching that step back.

1201
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: I want to know about that step back, you know,

1202
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: like what are you looking at? Are you looking at

1203
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: the feet the knees? Like how do you do it

1204
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: going left? And how are you doing the right? Like

1205
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: don't they close? So I'm out there teaching them and

1206
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: doing all this. The world, world, the kids, the world, world.

1207
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: People come in. We do our skit. We went we

1208
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: killed him. He's like, I'm like, you know, let's have

1209
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: fun with it. You know, we'll do a couple of hours.

1210
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I want to crush them. I'm like,

1211
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: all right, let's go crush him. Let's let's do it.

1212
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: So I'm just throwing him out and he's just going crazy.

1213
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he's nineteen eighteen whatever. Fast forward to the finals.

1214
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: Shot goes down, Game four, shot fouls out. We're thinking, shit,

1215
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: we about ready to tie this thing up. They had

1216
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,560
Speaker 1: won the first two in Staples. We won game three.

1217
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:25,719
Speaker 1: We about ready to tie this thing up. Damn. Kobe

1218
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: Bryant turned into the reincarnation of MJ. And not only

1219
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: did he turn into the reincarnation of MJ, that same

1220
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 1: shit that I was teaching him in that they'll step back,

1221
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: he's hitting it on me. Well, what look at Reggie

1222
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: Miller sparing him up.

1223
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 5: These two guys playing one on one.

1224
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: All summer in La. Kobe takes it between his leg,

1225
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: he pulls it back, hits the jumper, and then sort

1226
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: of gives it, you know, take your time. Everything's cool.

1227
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, this dude was prepping for this moment three

1228
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: years ago. That's how deep you was. I'm like, he

1229
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: is using this what I taught him on me and us.

1230
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: They win that game, they win the series in six.

1231
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: Fast forward to the next year they're winning. Now. The

1232
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: unwritten rule in basketball is when you're up twelve, yeah,

1233
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 1: twenty two seconds left, what are you supposed to do?

1234
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: Hold the ball? Dribble it out right? So here, He's like,

1235
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: if I get this ball, I'm shooting it. I'm like, yeah,

1236
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure you are going to shoot at Kobe, because

1237
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: that's what you do. You just out here to try

1238
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: to get stats. So are you telling him? Yeah, that's

1239
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,640
Speaker 1: what I'm telling right now. I was like, yeah, a

1240
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: little buster, Yeah, go ahead and get your your numbers, Kobe,

1241
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. So then we start to

1242
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: have words and I was like, if he comes to me,

1243
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: it's on. And he took one step to me and

1244
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: I body checked him right here. Boom. I was like,

1245
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: that's all I wanted. That was almost the first Madison

1246
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: all I wanted. So then I have a pinned on

1247
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: the scorer's table. Look at brass there. He don't really

1248
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:18,759
Speaker 1: want to jail, won't it? He won't it? Oh, jail,

1249
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: poor Austin Krazer. Look at his jersey. He was trying

1250
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: to push shack back originally, right, oh man, look at

1251
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: Look at Austin's jersey. Man, scratch marks all on the back.

1252
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: He learned. Oh that's why he that's why he did that.

1253
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 6: In thew madice in the palace when everything was going on,

1254
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 6: he just put his hands up and started walking through

1255
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 6: the crowd.

1256
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 1: He just put his hands up. He said, I'm familiar

1257
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,799
Speaker 1: with this. Oh god, this is great. This was great.

1258
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 1: Look at this. What does just one step? I said,

1259
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: just one step? Just come come a little bit closer

1260
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: across that line. Just come a little bit closer. There

1261
01:16:55,520 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: we go, gotcha watch this? Mm hmm. You showed me

1262
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: what you had boom. Pick him up, take him to

1263
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: the scorers table, yep, take a seat here.

1264
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 6: We tried to lean in with one day.

1265
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: He tried to lean in with the right look. But

1266
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 1: I had the Roy Jones. I had the Roy Jones. Okay,

1267
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: pick him up, put him right here. Everyone to jump in.

1268
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: Sit down right here, take a seat right here.

1269
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 6: That was almost the malice, the actual first Matlae right there.

1270
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,799
Speaker 1: But God rest. And then here's the thing. The funny

1271
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: thing about that, the day after m H you call Man, well,

1272
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 1: we're rethinking. I'm like, but what I tell you. He

1273
01:17:55,880 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: wanted to do everything like Mike. He knew our history,

1274
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: for Mike's and I's history, I think he I think

1275
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 1: he want a part of that. I really did in

1276
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: the back of ound. Maybe I'm wrong, but my only

1277
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 1: two real real scraps I had one with Doc, but

1278
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: I mean those were the real, real real He said,

1279
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: we got a problem, Mike, he got a problem only

1280
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: beef with goats. For me to have beef with those

1281
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: two dudes, the two best shooting guards are our game

1282
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 1: has ever seen. Man. I mean, I'll take it as

1283
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: a form of respect that they both for myself, the

1284
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: respected my game.

1285
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 3: I respected theirs brought that out of them.

1286
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: I didn't fear them, but I respected the respected. I

1287
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: mean that you didn't fear. I mean, to this day,

1288
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: I think I probably would take a swing on Mic

1289
01:18:58,960 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: if I saw him.

1290
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 3: That shows out to Los I might.

1291
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, because there's certain things

1292
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 1: that are said in between lines. Yeah, you know that

1293
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: that triggers you. Yeah, it's funny because what do you

1294
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: say during the seventy fifth anniversary. You remember, Mike wasn't

1295
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: part of any of the pre picture and all that,

1296
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 1: but he showed up before we all walked out, and

1297
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: you show that. Pull it up, Dylan, like with him

1298
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: he's going at Magic, like, let's put him on. Let's

1299
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: go right now, like everyone, We're all around there, and

1300
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: I'm saying to myself, I might, I might just go

1301
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: over there, get my leg back right, I might go

1302
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: even to school. I might. I mean, we got the

1303
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: seventy five grades right there, right now, And in my head,

1304
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: I'm saying to myself, I'm damn, I'm triggering. My hands

1305
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 1: is sweating. It's like past all that, past all that

1306
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: before we walk out. When he goes at at Magic.

1307
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 1: You hear stories from Ai and d Wade about that

1308
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: moment like, oh my god, you could tell you yes,

1309
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: he is king among all these kings, because they all

1310
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: did it, bow down to him, keep going, yeah, here

1311
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: we go. I've seen that too, when he walked in

1312
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 1: there like there is here it is. Turn it up.

1313
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 1: Yeah see I'm right behind a little bit to the right.

1314
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 1: Of d Wade. I'm saying, this is your time, this

1315
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: is a moment, on this is your moment, this is it.

1316
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: I mean, it was great to see him in Magic.

1317
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: Go at it, but don't come this way with that ship.

1318
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't cook. Some wounds are hardy, they're hard to heal.

1319
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 1: I love it. I tell people, Hey, it's no question

1320
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: to me. He's the best bet I've ever seen. I

1321
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: mean his body.

1322
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 3: But man, where does kobe skill set rank with?

1323
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: See? He took it to a different level. I think

1324
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: Kobe was a much better shooter. I want to hear

1325
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: this from you, because you play Kobe was a much fundamentals,

1326
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: who wow, they're but Kobe was a better three point shooter.

1327
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: He took it. He was almost like MJ on steroids.

1328
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: When I tell you he watched every film when he

1329
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: was over in Italy on J. I'm not kidding you.

1330
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: He had the footwork down to a pack down everything,

1331
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: but he he put his little flare into it. You

1332
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 1: know people talking about you know, Magic or Lebron. That's

1333
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: what I wanted to ask you. I can think. I

1334
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: mean it gets looked over a little bit in that

1335
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: Kobe gets left over. Tim Duncan gets left over. I mean,

1336
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: because he's so quiet. Kareem man killers many y'all. This

1337
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 1: trip down memory lane. It's nice and all, but it

1338
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: brings back, yeah, man. And then you got Robin out

1339
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: there talking shit. And look I had some crazy dudes

1340
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: on my I mean my Davis Boys, Davis boys killers.

1341
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 1: You got Robin out there hooting and hollering.

1342
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 5: Scottie, how good with Scotty?

1343
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: Scotty he was the best Robin. He was the best

1344
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 1: Robin because he did everything he had to do. And

1345
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: then through to twenty three but defensively, see, and this

1346
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: was a great thing. And this is why come playoff

1347
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: time and all y'all know this coaching matters. Asolute players

1348
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: will do eighty two games, players will win it. Then

1349
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: now your coaching, can you really? From game to game

1350
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:06,759
Speaker 1: coaching matters. And when they put pip on Mark Jackson,

1351
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 1: it kind of the water off and shut the water off, right,

1352
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: because we weren't used to that too long. And as

1353
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: great as Mark is, I mean six seven but a

1354
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 1: wingspan of seven five that can move, I mean, it

1355
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: was tough. And Jack was our pipeline for our offense.

1356
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 1: Took him out, took him out talk to.

1357
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 6: Us about la Berry. He was your favorite player growing up.

1358
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 6: He knocked you out the ninety one playoffs and ended

1359
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 6: up being your coach.

1360
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 1: Talk about Labird. It's funny because when I talk about

1361
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, I pattered my game after Larry Legend my

1362
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: rookie year in the Boston Garden, our first game there.

1363
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: I had met him briefly at a game in Indiana

1364
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 1: that he and I both played him, but he barely

1365
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: said a word to be But after that first game

1366
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 1: in the Garden, it's closing moments of the game, he

1367
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: walks by me and says, keep working hard, Reggie, You're

1368
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a great one. And you know I played

1369
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: it cool. But I'm saying inside, like, oh my god,

1370
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: Larry Burk again. I remember who my mentors were, Magic Byron,

1371
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: Scott Coop. So I mean, I've been around the greats.

1372
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 1: But for Larry Bird to say this to me, I

1373
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: was like, Oh crap, this is crap. This is my

1374
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: first year. Fast forward to two years later, my third year,

1375
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 1: when I have the reins to it's my team now,

1376
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: I feel I have a superpower make the All Star team.

1377
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: We're playing the Celtics in Marcus Square Arena at the time,

1378
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 1: and it was a close game, but they were gonna

1379
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: end up winning it. He's at the free throw line

1380
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 1: and gamesmanship and talking a little bit. You know, I'm

1381
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: gonna try to, you know, throw off his rhythm, thinking

1382
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw off Larry Bird's rhythm, and you know,

1383
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 1: as the official goes to give the got the ball,

1384
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: you know you'll cross the lane, like, hold up, You'll

1385
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 1: cross the lane and you know, just try to ice

1386
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: the ice the shooter a little bit. You know, I

1387
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 1: did that once and then I kind of did it again. Right,

1388
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 1: So he gets the ball from the official trouble of

1389
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 1: his once he's like, Reggie, are you are you freaking

1390
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: kidding me? Reggie, You're fucking kidding me. I'm the best

1391
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 1: shooter this game has ever seen. You think you're gonna

1392
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 1: be able to ice me? As he's as he's talking,

1393
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: next one, wha damn. I walked through other side, and

1394
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 1: Kevin McHale goes, yeah, that was kind of stupid of

1395
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 1: you to do something like that. Right, I'm like, oh shit.

1396
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,640
Speaker 3: He's like, I am the best shooter this game and

1397
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 3: he's saying.

1398
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: It out loud so everyone can see I'm like, oh

1399
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 1: my god, he's outing me at my home in front

1400
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: of all my family and friends. I'm the best shooter

1401
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:47,679
Speaker 1: this game has ever seen. Wow, Like, oh shit, it's true.

1402
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 1: It is true. And people talk about what was harder

1403
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: playing against him or being under him as the coach,

1404
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: No question, being underneath him. There was so much pressure

1405
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 1: on us, not only to win every game that we

1406
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: had going back to Boston, which I think we were

1407
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:11,799
Speaker 1: nine to one in those three years, but every game

1408
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:13,799
Speaker 1: was like it had to be like a Game seven.

1409
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: That was his mentality. And this is how big Larry

1410
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: Bird was coaching our first exhibition game. We were playing in

1411
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: like Daytona. You know how you go to weird places

1412
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 1: for exhibition games. We're playing in Daytona. Not only did

1413
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 1: they televise the game, but they put him in a one.

1414
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 4: Box, just sitting down.

1415
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: Game one box and just Larry's sitting there. I'm like, shit,

1416
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 1: every game is going to be Game seven, World Series,

1417
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 1: super Bowl with this. But man, practices were intense. He

1418
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: didn't talk a lot. We had an offensive coordinator in

1419
01:26:55,400 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, Rick Carlisle offensive coordinator, Dick Harter defensive coordinator,

1420
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: and then Larry would come in in time out and say, yeah,

1421
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: like this yet go. We had a veteran team, Mark,

1422
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 1: the Davis Boys, Derek McKee, Rick Smith's, Travis Best, so

1423
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: he didn't have to he wasn't. It wasn't like our

1424
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: young team with Carlisle, which you know will probably have

1425
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: been a little different from He knew and played against

1426
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 1: a lot of us, so he kind of knew our

1427
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: our temperament. But it was and we wanted, we wanted

1428
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 1: to win that Lakers championship in two thousand for him too.

1429
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, man, that dude, it's a bad

1430
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: white boy band called me.

1431
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,560
Speaker 6: That's who gave me the phone call when I was

1432
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,639
Speaker 6: got my first big contract when it came in coming

1433
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 6: and Nap, that's who gave me a call. And I

1434
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,679
Speaker 6: still remember, like today, who was going crazy?

1435
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 1: This Larry Bird?

1436
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:55,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, who put the most speakerphone?

1437
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 6: Everybody running around like yeah, do you think it's funny

1438
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 6: that Isaiah took over for Bird? And when Bird came

1439
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 6: back as an executive.

1440
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: Fire So when the All Star Game was in Indiana

1441
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: two years ago, moved there. Okay, Turner came to me.

1442
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: It was like, hey, we want you to do a

1443
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 1: sit down and it's going to be Larry Legend and Isaiah.

1444
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, I was like, Larry's okay. I was like, yeah,

1445
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 1: Larry says, no problem. I was like, Isaiah's good with

1446
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 1: this because you know, there's a lot between the bad

1447
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 1: Boys and the Celtics and history between them two and

1448
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: what went on during playoffs, slaying if he was a

1449
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 1: regular remember all that, All that could come up and

1450
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: you know me, I'm not going to sugarcoat anything. That's

1451
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,839
Speaker 1: my job is to bring it up. I said, okay,

1452
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: So that came up with you know, he was the

1453
01:28:54,600 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 1: executive and he was really brought into fire and he

1454
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 1: said on the show the interview, I like you, Isaiah,

1455
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 1: hell of a basketball player, and I think he did

1456
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: a great job. But I like Rick carl al better,

1457
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: your services are no longer needed because I don't think

1458
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: Donnie Walsh wanted to fire Isaiah, and he brought in

1459
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:25,799
Speaker 1: the one guy who's gonna say or question Larry Legend,

1460
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 1: and I mean Carlile. He took us to different heights too,

1461
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 1: though in the right decision. But Isaiah's response to all

1462
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,719
Speaker 1: that was and I don't know if you heard about

1463
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: this maybe. He said that the malice in the Palace

1464
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have happened if he had been coaching that night,

1465
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 1: because the fans would have respected him and Ron would

1466
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 1: have listened to him. That's what he said on the show.

1467
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: Have controlled it, he could have controlled he. He said

1468
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 1: that the mouth of the Palace never would have happened

1469
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 1: if he was coaching that night, and I mean that's

1470
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 1: the bird was like, you know, it is what it is.

1471
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 1: But that was his response to when Larry said, you know, hm,

1472
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 1: I just like call out better. He's like, well, I

1473
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 1: think you made a mistake. This is Isaiah. I think

1474
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: he made a mistake because what happened in Detroit never

1475
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: would have happened.

1476
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 6: What people don't know is it was a possibility that

1477
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 6: what happened to Detroit could have happened in.

1478
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:30,799
Speaker 1: Any that season.

1479
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, straight up, Roy legendary sneaker care though you've

1480
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 6: been big with the sneakers you uh, we do.

1481
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:42,719
Speaker 1: We got a partnership with stock X used to wear Jordan's.

1482
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: How did that happen? Well, first of all, you could

1483
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 1: not wear Jordan's when Mike was out his superpowers and

1484
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 1: when he was with the Bulls and all that only

1485
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: Mike wore Jordan's. I believe. I don't think Jordan brand

1486
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: started to take off is when maybe he went to

1487
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 1: Washington and he was starting to face his way out

1488
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 1: and to keep the Jordan brand going. So I knew, remember,

1489
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: you had to do your homework. I knew it would

1490
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 1: be an irk for him. He wasn't gonna call me

1491
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:14,639
Speaker 1: and tell me he wanted me to be on Jordan brand.

1492
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: There's no way, he was. You would never do that,

1493
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:23,719
Speaker 1: never ever do that. So during a couple of times,

1494
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: maybe one game or two when he was with the Bulls,

1495
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 1: I wore him the game just to irk him because

1496
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: I just wanted to with them. And I heard it

1497
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: later on from you know, hey, you cannot be wearing

1498
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: Air Jordan's at all, even if you're playing them or

1499
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 1: not playing, you can't be I was like, okay, who

1500
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: said that?

1501
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:47,719
Speaker 3: Though like higher ups, executives, someone really someone.

1502
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: That he called arn I was like, it's like, I

1503
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 1: ain't tripping. I just wanted to do it for that game.

1504
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be wearing them all the time. But

1505
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 1: then the people called him was like, hey, you want

1506
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: to be part of brand Jordan, you look good them.

1507
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, ship all right, I'll gear. I'm like, all right,

1508
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 1: be sure you put be sure you put uh my

1509
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 1: name on them? You know him Spreddy go with his

1510
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 1: legs all out. It does say Reggie on there, Reggie,

1511
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 1: I see Reggie thirty. They get my own oil bit,

1512
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 1: so they did some of that. It was, you know,

1513
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a sneaker head in per se, though I

1514
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: do have a lot of the Jordans my last five

1515
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 1: years because I was a part of them, but I

1516
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: wasn't high up like Eddie Jones and Ray and those guys. Again,

1517
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 1: I was starting to lose my superpower. So it was

1518
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 1: more of like a courtesy because I had been with

1519
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: Nike basically my whole career, and they're like, all right,

1520
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:55,799
Speaker 1: you could wear Jordan's.

1521
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 6: When did you start training with mic and off season

1522
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 6: with Jordans. I only did it one once.

1523
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 1: And it's when he was coming back when he was

1524
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: filming Space Jam and Jack Haley surfing. Jack Haley who

1525
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 1: was my center at UCLA, who was drafted by the

1526
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 1: Bulls and then he came back to the Bulls when

1527
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 1: Rodbin was there around ninety five ninety six, whenever he

1528
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: came back from baseball the first time, and he was

1529
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: filming at Warner Brothers lot and they built him they

1530
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,679
Speaker 1: called it to Jordan Dome, and he would film all day.

1531
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 1: This is what it was crazy. This dude would film

1532
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: all day, starting at seven am, finished shooting at four eight,

1533
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,719
Speaker 1: and then the runs started at about five thirty six.

1534
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: And he would have all at the time, all the

1535
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 1: top players, kind of like how playing at UCLA was

1536
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 1: in the men's gym, but it all went over the

1537
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 1: valley to Burbank to Warner Brothers. I mean this. I

1538
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 1: was like, man, Damn, they're crazy. They built this dude,

1539
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 1: state of the art court work, officely like top line everything,

1540
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, okay, here, I'm gonna do my reconnaissance

1541
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,679
Speaker 1: on this. Fuck. I'm gonna find I'm gonna figure out.

1542
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 1: So every single time we never played with I was like,

1543
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 1: I got, I'm going to find something. I got, I'm

1544
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 1: going to find something. I'm gonna guard him every single time.

1545
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:39,639
Speaker 1: Damn you got some of the runs. Pull it up. Man. Again,

1546
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 1: this is before the age of cell phones, and this dude,

1547
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: I was like shit. And only when he we play

1548
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 1: from six to about eight and then I was like

1549
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,719
Speaker 1: when I tell people your practices aren't dead when practice

1550
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,679
Speaker 1: is over. And then he's getting up another seven hundred

1551
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 1: to one thousand shots. Look at this. Look at the

1552
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: state of the fucking art this dude, one dude, look

1553
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: at this ship everything. Juwan Howard Eddie Jones said about us, said, man,

1554
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 1: come on, what the fucker South Thompson Surfer Jack Hayley

1555
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 1: lighted O could pass? Yeah, keep here, kick turnover, damn it.

1556
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 1: He shot. Daddy was running back for the ball. He

1557
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 1: went through the whole Yeah, man, turn this off. I

1558
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: don't want to see him turn this ship off. Man,

1559
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to see him. So those were great.

1560
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:00,480
Speaker 1: Those are That was a cool experience to be a

1561
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: good time run before we get you out of yours.

1562
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:05,520
Speaker 1: It's been incredible.

1563
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:07,879
Speaker 5: I want to go back to the Spike Lee, Madison

1564
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 5: Square Garden, all that whole legendary stitch. I don't know

1565
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 5: if you saw your picture. We had your picture up

1566
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 5: there when you walked in.

1567
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 1: The guy. Talk to us just about the.

1568
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 5: You know, like you said early on, you hung your

1569
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 5: hat on being able to go into behind enemy lines

1570
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 5: and really do your things.

1571
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 1: So talk to us about that. Particular day in that series.

1572
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: It was set up the year before because we played

1573
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 1: them in a best of five the year before and

1574
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: I believe they beat us three to one, but you

1575
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 1: could tell the tension was kind of rising with them,

1576
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 1: and going into that series, we had beaten Orlando, shock

1577
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 1: and pity. Then we beat Atlanta and then oh my god,

1578
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 1: like we came out of nowhere. In ninety four, we're

1579
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference Finals and oh, by the way,

1580
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 1: we're going togainst the bullies on the block. We're going

1581
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 1: against New York at the number one media market, and

1582
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh man, this is gonna be a sweet

1583
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:12,680
Speaker 1: these hicks, who are these I'm like, y'all have no

1584
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: idea because I mean, again, I love me some Davis boys,

1585
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: them dudes, Rick, We did not care. And we had

1586
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 1: Larry Brown one as hard asked as he is as

1587
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 1: a coach, and he drives his players extras the nose.

1588
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: He's one of the best. So I knew, I knew

1589
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 1: we had a legitimate shot to get to the finals. Man,

1590
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:48,480
Speaker 1: to go against that motherfucker over there. God, this hurts.

1591
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 1: It hurts because people always, you know, fans always come

1592
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 1: up and say they talk about the twenty five point quarter,

1593
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 1: they talk about eight points a ninety, all the great

1594
01:37:57,439 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 1: shots and all that me I internalize to this day.

1595
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 1: I think about the losses they hurt. It's the what ifs.

1596
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: So that series to be that close, and I was

1597
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 1: twenty seven at the time too, and you don't know

1598
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 1: if you're ever going to be back. We were, but

1599
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 1: you don't know. And it was such a magical run.

1600
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 1: And we rechanged Indiana. And because no one looked at

1601
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: us like that, no one respected us they, you know,

1602
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 1: and it was my job. I brought everyone, you know.

1603
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 1: We Indiana's predominantly all white, you know, and there's a

1604
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 1: lot of racism at times. Yeah, and they were on board.

1605
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 1: The races were on board with us. Man, I mean,

1606
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 1: you doing something, and we changed the city. We were

1607
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 1: all in it together, Hicks versus the Dicks. And if

1608
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 1: you do not build up a true disdain for your opponent,

1609
01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 1: I just don't feel you could ever beat them because

1610
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 1: you're That's why, you know, all the hugging and kissing

1611
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 1: and all that. Now, which I they I get it,

1612
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:09,679
Speaker 1: I understand it. I just don't sit well. I mean,

1613
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: Byron Coop, they would look at me crazy. They would

1614
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 1: they would be so disappointed if I would have done

1615
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, if I would do something like that. So

1616
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 1: that series, though, we had our God at the end

1617
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 1: of the day. And it will always be on me.

1618
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 1: When when you're Superman and you have your superpowers, it's

1619
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 1: always you, it's always you fit. I failed those dudes.

1620
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 1: Every time we were in the conference finals, the finals

1621
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 1: against the Lakers, it's me. I fail them, And you

1622
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 1: want to win for those guys, because you know, it's

1623
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 1: all the supporting players that talk the most shit when

1624
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: they get a ring and they didn't do shit to

1625
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 1: get you know, it was always Scotty or Mike or

1626
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 1: it was always Shock at Kobe. But you know, you

1627
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:10,360
Speaker 1: hear some dudes as the twelfth man talking the biggest noise.

1628
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 1: You want to win it for those dudes. I failed them,

1629
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 1: and I had my opportunities to win that series. Game six,

1630
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 1: after the twenty five point quarter, the choking and all that,

1631
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:25,440
Speaker 1: we were up three to two going back to Indiana. Yep,

1632
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 1: you got to close it out in your building. You're

1633
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,680
Speaker 1: the man. You got to close them out. With a

1634
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 1: chance to play Vern and Hakeem in the final. You

1635
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 1: have to you have to do that. That falls on you.

1636
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 1: We lost, Yeah, you have a two chances to win one,

1637
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 1: but you really have You don't want to go back

1638
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 1: to the guard game seven. You don't want to go

1639
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 1: back for Game seven. And even though it came down

1640
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 1: to the last possession in game seven, we lost that series.

1641
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 1: In game I lost that series. Excuse me. In Game six,

1642
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 1: they were up big the whole way we cut it.

1643
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 1: It's three minutes left, we cut it to two. I

1644
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:12,040
Speaker 1: get fouled. I go to the free throw line and

1645
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 1: we had not led at all, and I knew if

1646
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 1: we could tie or take the lead, we were going

1647
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,720
Speaker 1: to break them. That is, you just know when it's

1648
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 1: gonna break, like a one. For freaking I go one

1649
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:29,639
Speaker 1: for two at the free throw line and we're down one,

1650
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:32,960
Speaker 1: and it's almost like they exhaled, like they didn't catch us.

1651
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 1: I did that. These are the things I internalize. It's

1652
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 1: me so when I'm you know, in my thoughts thinking,

1653
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 1: these are the things I think about as a former player.

1654
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 1: It's not the shots and all that, it's the what ifs,

1655
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 1: the what ifs versus Chicago in Game six or in

1656
01:41:56,320 --> 01:42:02,479
Speaker 1: Game seven in Chicago Stadium jump ball. I can recite

1657
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:08,599
Speaker 1: all this. Pull it up, Dylan. We're up six jump

1658
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:13,320
Speaker 1: ball between Rick Smith's Scottie Pippen. I believe on their

1659
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 1: side of the court. We win that go down to score.

1660
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 1: We go up eight, possibly nine with a three, with

1661
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 1: three and change left. Then you can start to massage

1662
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:25,759
Speaker 1: the game a little bit. Scotty wins the tip, finds

1663
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:31,439
Speaker 1: little freaking Steve Kerr hits a three, cuts it in half.

1664
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 1: We gotta win that tip. We win that tip and

1665
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 1: score God. So those are the things I think about.

1666
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 3: That's does it still haunt you to this day or

1667
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 3: you have peace with it now?

1668
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 1: It will always haunt me. It will always haunt me

1669
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 1: not winning a chip. It wouldn't haunt me as much

1670
01:42:57,160 --> 01:43:00,559
Speaker 1: if I was never so close. Yeah right. You could

1671
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 1: be a great player and never be close. I never

1672
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 1: had the opportunity. Oh, I had opportunities. That's what hurts

1673
01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 1: is I had opportunities. And that's why it burns me.

1674
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: It just burns me because you want to win it

1675
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:25,160
Speaker 1: for for the guys in that locker room that lay

1676
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 1: their run through a brick wall, for you, when you're

1677
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 1: the man for my Davis boys giving up their bodies

1678
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 1: Dale Davis having a dislocated shoulder, popping it back in

1679
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:40,679
Speaker 1: the playoffs saying I'm good to let's go. Come on, man, man,

1680
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:42,720
Speaker 1: I want to win it for those dudes and the

1681
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 1: fans on top of what makes this series. Why this

1682
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 1: is how we were thinking. This is how jack and

1683
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:52,680
Speaker 1: I Mark Jackson and I were thinking. This is how

1684
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:56,719
Speaker 1: cocky we were, but you have to be. We wanted

1685
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 1: to retire that dude because this is remember this is

1686
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 1: his last year, like we want to retire, send them home.

1687
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 1: That's how we felt. And another thing, why this is

1688
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:13,720
Speaker 1: my fault? Twenty points at half for me and I

1689
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:17,559
Speaker 1: end with twenty four. That's unacceptable. Second chance points too,

1690
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 1: that's unacceptable. This has got to be a thirty five

1691
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 1: to forty point game for me in the playoffs versus him,

1692
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:28,080
Speaker 1: and he was nine for twenty nine, so he's not

1693
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:31,640
Speaker 1: having a great night himself. Everything is stacked for you

1694
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:32,599
Speaker 1: to beat these dudes.

1695
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 5: God, do you ever go back and watch any of

1696
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 5: these series that either you win or lost after all

1697
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:40,720
Speaker 5: these years.

1698
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:42,599
Speaker 1: I don't need to go back and watch them because

1699
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 1: in your mind constantly it is a non stop loop,

1700
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 1: non stop, non stop loop, in my head how I

1701
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 1: can just recite certain things. It's just we had them.

1702
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 5: We had them, Steph Curry, his greatness, the revolution, they

1703
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:07,400
Speaker 5: kind of revolutionizing the art of the three point shot.

1704
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 5: You were someone who was back then they called it volume,

1705
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:13,600
Speaker 5: but it wasn't the volume compared to today. Thoughts on

1706
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:15,640
Speaker 5: Stephan and what he's been able to do to this

1707
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 5: game and what your game would have been like with

1708
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:20,559
Speaker 5: that kind of freedom and that kind of could you

1709
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 5: played an area where it's inside out if you can

1710
01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:25,679
Speaker 5: come down and transition whenever you wanted and just shoot threes.

1711
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:30,599
Speaker 1: I could shoot ten to fifteen threes a game, Max

1712
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Bull of us. There's only a handful of players that

1713
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 1: you think about that has truly changed the game. Having

1714
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,519
Speaker 1: a six or nine point guard. I don't think we'll

1715
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 1: ever see that again in magic, having a guy who

1716
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:56,639
Speaker 1: flies air Jordan, having someone as dominant as the Shaquille O'Neill,

1717
01:45:57,400 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 1: even though they say, will someone who changed the culture

1718
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:09,000
Speaker 1: like an Ai and then to me, Stephan Curry, you.

1719
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 4: Get that all let on the nose. I mean, you

1720
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:12,120
Speaker 4: can't explain it better than.

1721
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:18,520
Speaker 1: That, right, There is no those five guys changed basketball,

1722
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 1: and if you go to any rec league, you go

1723
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:26,679
Speaker 1: to any high school, any AEU, and you see those kids.

1724
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 1: We all have kids. The first thing they do just

1725
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: run to that three point line and shoot and say

1726
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:40,320
Speaker 1: Stephen Curry, Kirby range. He has changed and you know

1727
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:45,599
Speaker 1: they try and he's come out and said, look there

1728
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 1: are steps here. I didn't just come out shooting. You

1729
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:51,599
Speaker 1: know twenty five footers. You know form shooting. I work

1730
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 1: my way in and work my way out. But all

1731
01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:57,120
Speaker 1: they say is the end result. And he has mastered it.

1732
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 1: He is one of the all time game changers. That's

1733
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,960
Speaker 1: big quick hitters. First thing to come to your mind.

1734
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 5: Let us know top five shooters of all time, and

1735
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 5: don't be shy.

1736
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to say President Company excluded Larry Legend,

1737
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:28,720
Speaker 1: Stephan Ray, Mark Price, and I'm gonna tell you who

1738
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 1: could shoot it. Pastakovich, Slash Draws and Petrovich. I'll put

1739
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 1: both of those itches in there. Itches, those itches, you

1740
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 1: gotta put those in the one album you can listen

1741
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:50,040
Speaker 1: to with no skills. Man Thriller, Michael Jackson, I answer.

1742
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 1: I knew the answer that man, MJ. Thriller. You know

1743
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:54,640
Speaker 1: how much I love it.

1744
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 5: I heard sugar Free said you had the same amount

1745
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:00,440
Speaker 5: of motherfuckings and Michael Jackson he became your.

1746
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 1: You still became yourself. Thriller, baby anything, MJ. I'm listening

1747
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 1: to it NonStop. I love it. Five Dinner Guests you

1748
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 1: plus five bed or Alive. I'm gonna go with Mohammed Ali.

1749
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:20,639
Speaker 1: I'll go with Barack. I will go with Denzel Rosa

1750
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 1: Parks because I want to know. I want to know

1751
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:30,840
Speaker 1: that strength. I want to know. And I have one more.

1752
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Walter Peyton Sweetness, sweetness. I want

1753
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 1: to know too. Five NBA champ Whos gonna win it?

1754
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,000
Speaker 1: Because I have to call games, it's hard for me

1755
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 1: to say who's going to win it? But I'll give

1756
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,920
Speaker 1: you my who do I like? Well? I think it's

1757
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 1: time now for Okac to show up. All right, the

1758
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 1: last two years they've had the best regular season, but

1759
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 1: come this time of year, they faltered. And this back

1760
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 1: to your point of about vets and all that. It's time.

1761
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 1: It could be theirs to lose. But if Boston is

1762
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 1: Boston and porzingis remember they want a championship. And basically

1763
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 1: Perzinga's played two games, it was that much of a

1764
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 1: difference though. Boston is making threes and you can talk

1765
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: about Tatum and Brown and Perzinga's all you want to me,

1766
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 1: Drew Holliday and Derek white Man and then Pritchard off

1767
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 1: the bench. Is kind of like the year if though.

1768
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 1: If they're making threes and all that, they're going to

1769
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:42,800
Speaker 1: be a very difficult out Cleveland. Man, I was so

1770
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:46,679
Speaker 1: impressed in that last Indiana game playing without those they

1771
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 1: have a lot of depth. But I would love to see, okay,

1772
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 1: see in Boston in the NBA Finals. But okay, see,

1773
01:49:56,160 --> 01:50:00,200
Speaker 1: it's time now you got you gotta prove it because.

1774
01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:03,400
Speaker 3: Your windows closing fast and you know you got Luca

1775
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 3: and Lebron.

1776
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 1: Is this gonna be the last go round for for Lebron?

1777
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 5: And Clippers hot at the right time. Clippers are hot

1778
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:15,400
Speaker 5: to me? Yeah, I think?

1779
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 1: And WHI is quhi now why zubots is quietly having

1780
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: most James Harden has killing it, Norman, Paul Lebrew and

1781
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 1: brother Clips are gonna be tough out. I feel like, hypothetically,

1782
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 1: would you trade.

1783
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 5: The game winner over m J and the ninety eight

1784
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:37,400
Speaker 5: Eastern Finals for the Tayshawn block in the Eastern Finals.

1785
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:45,400
Speaker 1: In four Hell yes, because it's I don't know if

1786
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 1: we would have won that Chicago series anyways if I

1787
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:57,720
Speaker 1: missed that shot because it's we go back to their place. Yeah,

1788
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 1: I would definitely because if I make that layup and

1789
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 1: we win that series. Because I remember going into the

1790
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 1: locker room and telling Jo and Ron because you know

1791
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:11,640
Speaker 1: they butted heads whose team it was. I was like,

1792
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:16,120
Speaker 1: do you guys understand whoever wins this series is going

1793
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:18,760
Speaker 1: to win a championship? Because the Lakers were waiting with

1794
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:21,000
Speaker 1: Kobe and Shaq and all that, I was like, but

1795
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 1: they ain't playing defense like Detroit in us, whoever wins

1796
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:29,080
Speaker 1: this series is going to win a championship. They could

1797
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:33,680
Speaker 1: not understand that. What happens Detroit pizzas and it was

1798
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:37,799
Speaker 1: a gentleman in five games suite, they beat the crap

1799
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:42,960
Speaker 1: out of them. I'm like, so yes, I would change

1800
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:50,599
Speaker 1: that goaltending block by Tayshaun. I would change that because

1801
01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:53,639
Speaker 1: if we win that series, I think we're gonna win

1802
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 1: the championship versus the Lakers.

1803
01:51:56,360 --> 01:51:58,640
Speaker 6: If you could see one guest on our show, who

1804
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:00,760
Speaker 6: would it be? But you have to help us get

1805
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:03,040
Speaker 6: your answer on the show. You said his name because

1806
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 6: we got business to do.

1807
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:07,320
Speaker 1: Have has Denzel ever been on here?

1808
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:10,760
Speaker 6: No, that's the name, but that wasn't who I was

1809
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:12,080
Speaker 6: thinking about who I got business with.

1810
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:15,759
Speaker 5: But you, Spike Lee's never been on here.

1811
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 6: And he just commented because I was mister Spike, I

1812
01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:22,040
Speaker 6: wanted more. I played in spekes and he saw it

1813
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:24,240
Speaker 6: on our page on stock X so he made a coming.

1814
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 1: So that's yeah.

1815
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:31,120
Speaker 6: Actually, if I pulled my stocks off, I have manicured feet.

1816
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:34,479
Speaker 1: Bring that kind of cured feet, so my feet are nice.

1817
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe he gave me to be not

1818
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 1: he ain't no corns, MA able to see if this

1819
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 1: is a real number or not. He calling Spike right now,

1820
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 1: hold on, I'm going to see. I'm just gonna see

1821
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:48,720
Speaker 1: if this is a real number. Ring that came list.

1822
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 6: He's like, man, just going on, man, I don't think

1823
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 6: we've ever had this on site, right.

1824
01:52:57,240 --> 01:52:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't think everybody. I don't know if it works.

1825
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: I don't know everybody come through like reds though, I

1826
01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:10,400
Speaker 1: don't know if I can't either. Your call has been

1827
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 1: forwarded to Uh. I'm a man, all right, so this

1828
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:19,440
Speaker 1: is the right thing because here's here's I got a thread.

1829
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:36,479
Speaker 1: Hey doing all the smoke they need sit down, gee

1830
01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:47,160
Speaker 1: through your jinky ass reds. Man. We appreciate you. We

1831
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:53,400
Speaker 1: got some for you. All the smoke, yes, yes.

1832
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:56,880
Speaker 5: Indeed, I mean one of the greatest players, but even

1833
01:53:56,920 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 5: better person.

1834
01:53:57,840 --> 01:53:59,040
Speaker 1: Uh you what it's all about.

1835
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:00,920
Speaker 5: You've always been solid it to us, rid So we

1836
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:02,240
Speaker 5: appreciate you, man, We love you.

1837
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:04,200
Speaker 3: Thank you for your time. Man, Thank you.

1838
01:54:04,240 --> 01:54:09,800
Speaker 1: Guys got it emotional lear tears everything.

1839
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:11,880
Speaker 3: I'm soft now, that's a man.

1840
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 1: It's okay, long over. It's okay for men to let

1841
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:17,920
Speaker 1: their feelings out and cry.

1842
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 3: We've been trying to learn, man, we've been trying to learn.

1843
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:27,040
Speaker 1: Okay, as black men, you gotta let it out, Let

1844
01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:30,400
Speaker 1: it out, man. That's a Reggie Miller, the Great.

1845
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:32,800
Speaker 5: You can catch us on all the Smoke Productions, YouTube

1846
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:33,840
Speaker 5: and the Draft Kings Network.

1847
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:34,840
Speaker 1: We'll see yeah.

1848
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:56,280
Speaker 2: H mm hmmm mm hmmm