1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: name is Knowl, and I'm Ben. Your view that makes 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. As we 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: get closer and closer to the end of this calendar year, 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: we're looking back into the past, way way way back 9 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: into the past. I have a question of you, Matt Old. 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: Did you guys ever go to Sunday School growing up? 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: I did? And Bible Camp and Bible Camp. Here what 12 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: happens at Bible camp? You just been a play Bible games, 13 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: sing Bible songs, watch Bible programs. Did uh? Did you 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: guys ever spend any time in Sunday School or Bible Camp? Uh? 15 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: Looking at the story of Noah, absolutely so it's gonna 16 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: be familiar to almost everybody listening. I would be a 17 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: little surprised if this was a spoiler for anyone, but 18 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: we have learned to be careful of spoilers, right, so 19 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: most people know the gist of the Noah story. There's 20 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: a man named Noah who receives messages from God, and 21 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: God tells him to build a massive wooden boat, which 22 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: we call an arc. Uh. And this is to ensure 23 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: the safety of his family and all of the animals 24 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: in the world during a massive flood that sweeps across 25 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: the planet. Yes, and nobody believed him that this was 26 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: gonna happen when he was trying to warn people. And 27 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: as he's building this thing, and he looks like crazy 28 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: person out in his yard somewhere building a boat. And 29 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: here is a spoiler alert. Seriously, if you haven't seen 30 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: the movie Noah, featuring Russell playing the titular character, it 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: features giant rock monsters that tell Noah what to do. 32 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 1: They're referred to as the Watchers often and they are 33 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: worthy of a podcast all on their own. Uh. And 34 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: that is a film by Aronofsky taking taking a little 35 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: bit of uh. Let's say, you know, the writers on 36 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: that used a lot of old pre Christian Jewish sources 37 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: as well, which is why for many evangelical people in 38 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: the crowd it uh. It had some unfamiliar elements. Of course, 39 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: two Knowl's point, Uh. I don't believe anywhere in any 40 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: of the Holy Text does does it ever say that 41 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: these watchers are you know, rock monsters, but they look cool. 42 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: It's like those old Ray Harry Housen uh stop motion 43 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: animations from like Sinbad and things like that. That's what 44 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: reminds me of. But anyway, moving on. Uh. Yes. According 45 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: to the Book of Genesis, God gave Noah these instructions 46 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: for building the arc, but didn't really do anything to 47 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: back the guy up in his community, didn't really tell 48 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: anybody else, just told the one guy built a boat. Uh. 49 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: Seven days before the flood begins, God tells Noah to 50 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: enter this art with his household and again all the 51 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: animals in the world too. By two right. Spoiler alert, 52 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: It worked, you guys. According to the story, Noah, his household, 53 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: and all of the animals were spared. They they survived 54 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: as the ark was a float for a hundred and 55 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: fifty days before coming to rest on the mountains of 56 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: air Act. Yes, and we know some of the specifics 57 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: from the story of you know, sending out birds to 58 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: uh search for dry land. The story is repeated with 59 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: variations in the Koran, where the arc appears as Safina Uh. 60 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: The Jenna Cysts flood story Let's call the flood narrative. 61 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: Here's the thing about it. It is similar to many, many, 62 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: many other flood nous from a variety of cultures. The 63 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: earliest known written example is the Sumerian version, uh, found 64 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: in the epic of Zia Sudra. And people have been 65 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: searching for this arc for centuries and centuries and centuries 66 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: and uh. You know, there have been various claims that 67 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: have been made that pieces of an arc have been found. 68 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: You may have seen stories before online. Um, but people 69 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: have been searching this for this arc since what to 70 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: seventy c. Yeah, at least since the time of Eusebius 71 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: up to the present day. Here are the facts. We'll 72 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: do some bubble busting first. There is no scientific evidence 73 00:04:54,200 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: for a global flood as described in in this literature. 74 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: And we are not, of course disclaimer, we are not 75 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: in any way denigrating a person's religion or anybody's faith. 76 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: We're we're looking at, you know, the way this story 77 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: is told and what the evidence scientists can find now 78 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: tells us about the veracity there. So right now, there's 79 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: no scientific evidence for a global flood of this proportion, 80 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: and despite many, many expeditions, no universally agreed on evidence 81 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: of the arc has been found for well over centuries. 82 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: Scholars have recognized that the the story here is based 83 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: on these older stories, these Mesopotamia models and stuff. Because, UH, 84 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: one thing we notice when we do any kind of 85 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: comparative literature, when we start to trace the DNA, if 86 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: you will, of a story, is that many, many stories 87 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: are new were versions of earlier myths. Uh. There's a 88 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: great series of books by a fellow named Joseph Campbell 89 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: that you can read for more information on this, I 90 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: would recommend uh Hero with a Thousand Faces, which looks 91 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: at everything from the It sets forth the rules of 92 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: stories in the way that humans right and experienced stories, 93 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: everything from the Epic of Gilgamesh, one of the earliest 94 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: known works of literature, to um. I don't know lethal 95 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: weapon lethal, I guess it would work. I got it 96 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: my favorite lethal weapon three. I just think, you know, 97 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: Joe Pesci finally took on a much larger role in 98 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: that particular film. I feel like it's highly underwritten. Without 99 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: having talked to him. In my head, I can imagine 100 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: Joe Pesci saying that is the role he was born 101 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: to play. It's true, you know, if you've seen the 102 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: Zeitgeist films. That book in particular, was highly influential on 103 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: how they looked at some of the religion aspects of Zeitgeist. 104 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: So because all of these flood stories in this in 105 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: this Zeitgeist, if you will, deal with events that allegedly 106 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: happened at the dawn of history, they give us the 107 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: impression that the myths themselves must be very, very old. 108 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: And that's kind of weird because we can sort of 109 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: roughly trace back where this myth of a global flood began, 110 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: and we can also find a little bit of evidence 111 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: that might surprise some folks. Uh, here's let's let the 112 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: badger out of the bag. Uh. The myth of the 113 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: global flood that destroys almost all life begins to appear 114 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: what's known as the Old Babylonian period, that would be 115 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: the twenty to sixteenth centuries b c e. And I 116 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: know what a lot of people are thinking, you guys, like, 117 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: that's a four hundred year margin. Yeah, that's that's Uh, 118 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: that's the closest that history can get. And there are 119 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: different versions of this Mesopotamian f story. Now they're nine 120 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: different known versions. Each is more or less adapted from 121 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: the previous version. In the oldest version, the hero is 122 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: King Zia Sudra, and this version was inscribed about six 123 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: hundred b c. E. In the Sumerian city of Nippur. 124 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: It's known as the Sumerian flood story and probably derives 125 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: from some earlier version from that happened before that one 126 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: um and the Zia Sudra version tells how he builds 127 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: this boat and rescues all different forms of life when 128 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: the gods just just decide to destroy the whole thing, 129 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: and it's this would be multiple gods, this would be 130 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: a pantheon of gods at this point, but the basics 131 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: are the same, you know. There there are other stories 132 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: that descend from this and now in our present day 133 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: and age. The most popular one, or most well known one, 134 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: is the story of Noah. The version closest to the 135 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: present day version, the old this version, it's probably the closest, 136 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: is that in the Epic of Gilgamesh, the character Pishtam, 137 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: who does the same thing, builds a boat, saves the world. 138 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: Flood myths occur in cultures across this planet, across time. 139 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: We're not just talking about the Middle East. We're talking 140 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: about not just Mesotamia, Mesopotamia, but India, Greece, Norse mythology, 141 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: the key j and Maya people in Mesoamerica, uh different 142 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: Native American tribes and both North and South America. People 143 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: have been searching for this legendary art ever since. But 144 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Some people believe that they have already 145 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: found it. Whoa and we will talk about them and 146 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: more when we return from a quick break. Here's where 147 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. In two th seven and two thousand 148 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: and eight, a team of evangelical Christians claimed to have 149 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: discovered the remains of Noah's Ark on the peak of 150 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: Mount Era Rat in modern day Armenia, and specifically they 151 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: believe they found well, what they actually found was seven 152 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: large compartments that were buried about thirteen thousand feet four 153 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: thousand meters above sea level um. They then returned to 154 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: the site with a film crew in October of two 155 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: thousand and nine. The team says that radio carbon dated 156 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: wood taken from the site, whose location they're keeping under 157 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: wraps for the time being, show yeah that the purported 158 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: arc is about forty eight hundred years old, which checks 159 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: out it's about right roughly the same time period as 160 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: Noah's flood that's implied in the Bible. So let's do 161 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: some pros and cons. Sounds good. First, the pros, It's 162 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: completely possible that they found something up there. It's even possible, 163 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: if not plausible, that this is some sort of ship 164 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: what on top of a mountain. Stranger things have happened, 165 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: my friend. The team themselves say that they are nine 166 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: nine point nine percent sure that this is the indeed 167 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: the remnant of the biblical arc. UH. This the name 168 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: of the outfit that went to search for this was 169 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: Noah's Arc Ministries International. It's fairly specific and it doesn't 170 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: do the best for impartiality, but it is a It 171 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: does show us that they wanted to find this thing 172 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: for sure. So I've got a quote here from the 173 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: filmmaker who accompanied the explorers of fellow named Uh Young 174 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: wig Chung, who said, it's not that it is Noah's Ark, 175 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: but we think it is nine percent. Oh yeah, Well 176 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: they got a margin of error there. Uh. So let's 177 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: let's talk about some of the cons there. There are 178 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: quite a few cons. First, the existence of arc itself. 179 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: While there are very specific measurements in the UH in 180 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: the canonical text, UH existence of an ARC doing the 181 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: kind of stuff that it's described as doing is wildly implausible. 182 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: So the big sticking point for people whould interpret this 183 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: literally is the idea of the animals. Human beings still 184 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: have no idea exactly how many species of animals exist 185 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: when you count insects, right, It's true, multiple species of 186 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: insects are dying every year before humans even know what 187 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: they are. And there's no man made structure capable of 188 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: holding all the animals in one place if there was 189 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: more than two for suitable breeding population for most animals, 190 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: especially manimals. Even if you broke it down into this, 191 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: this sounds crazy when you think about it, but I'm 192 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: just thinking of earlier versions of this where there's an 193 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: ARC that has all of the DNA stored of every 194 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, living species that is known just in tubes 195 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: somewhere on the ship. It would still be impossible. That's 196 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's a really good point, and think about that. 197 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: We are kind of building arcs. Our species is now 198 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: with the doomsday vault in uh Scandinavia that holds hold seats, right. 199 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: Can you guys think of any analogs and science fiction films. 200 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: It feels like they're that is just ripe for it, 201 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: like a kind of a space Noah's Ark, you know, 202 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: going out into the universe trying to re establish civilization, 203 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: where like you know, samples of all kinds of different 204 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: pieces of DNA. There was some of that in Um Interstellar. 205 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: Actually no spoilers there, well a little bit, but watch 206 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: there's there's a whole thing about like kind of like 207 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: starting a new civilization and it has that feel of 208 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: kind of like a Noah's Ark vibe, which I think 209 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: it's cool. That's that's a really good point because we 210 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: are still you know, we forget sometimes that mythology is 211 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: not this old dead thing. Mythology is alive, and we 212 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: are participating in it every time we tell the stories. 213 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: So well, hence the repeated flood stories. I mean, it's 214 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: a narrative that makes sense in terms of fearing some 215 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: sort of intense natural disaster that also has sort of 216 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: like a cleansing quality where there's always like a need 217 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: for a reset kind of society. Civilization has devolved in 218 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: some way, and and and it's a very interesting literary device, 219 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: I will say. And you get a rainbow at the end, 220 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: like a mint, like an Andy's mint after after dinner 221 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: on your pillow, yeah, or on your pillow. So yeah, 222 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: there are a couple of There are many science fiction 223 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: films actually that do have some sort of arc like thing, 224 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: because it's one of the best guesses people have about 225 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: how to take the human species through space and time. Uh, 226 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, we can't most of the places that we 227 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: want to go, we can't reach in one person's lifetime. 228 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: So we'd have to have a self sustaining thing, you know, 229 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: take the mountain to Mohammed sort of idea. One one 230 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: example would be Pandorum, which is a film that I 231 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: don't think it's enough credit, which I thought the one 232 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: about like space madness. Is there some space madness in 233 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: all then there's some space bandness. Yeah, I'm a fan 234 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: of space madness because they're out there in the in 235 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: the ink for a while, in deep space. But with 236 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: deep space, you know, allegorically here replacing the ocean. Uh. 237 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: If we look back at the earlier search, right, the 238 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: idea that the idea that yes, there was some sort 239 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: of h large wooden boat that survived a flood, that 240 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: idea is not implausible. The the the idea that it 241 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: holds all the animals is a little bit fanciful. Um. 242 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: But the other thing is that this Mount error At 243 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: belief is very specific, and it's been a while around 244 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: for a while. According to Jack Sasson Uh, professor of 245 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: Jewish and Biblical studies of Vanderbilt University out in Tennessee, 246 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: the whole belief amount er At as the resting place 247 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: of the art comes from a kind of loose interpretation 248 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: of biblical description, because the Bible mentions a place called 249 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: Aura to an ancient kingdom in modern day eastern Turkey. 250 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: And so people have decided or discovered or come come 251 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: to the conclusion somehow that mounts error At is the 252 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: is the resting place. It kind of made it fit 253 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: the narrative now. Paul Zamanski Uh, an archaeologist who specializes 254 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: in the Middle East at stony Brook University in New York, 255 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: notes Uh says something that I think a lot of 256 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: people find interesting. It's a little snarky. I don't know 257 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: of any expedition that ever went looking for the Yak 258 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: and didn't find it. And he adds that nobody associated 259 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: that mountain with the ok until the tenth century BC. Furthermore, 260 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: there's no geological evidence for a mass flood and Turkey 261 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: Round four thousand years ago. I don't know if that's 262 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: how he sounds. I like this, Paulsky guy. I I 263 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: hope that's how he sounds, but I don't I don't 264 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: think he sounds that way. Sorry, Paul, no offense. So 265 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: as you can imagine, the group who claimed to discover 266 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: the arc in the early two thousand's believes they were 267 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: discriminated against due to their religious beliefs, that there is 268 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: a conspiracy a foot, well, sure I can I can 269 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: see that if you truly believe you found the ark. 270 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen those Dan Brown movies and read 271 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: the books. It reminds me of Indiana Jones too. Sure, 272 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: I am always I'm always a sucker for an adventurous 273 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: as archaeological exploration. And we do know that a lot 274 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: of things that were believed to be mythological or fictional 275 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: are proven eventually to be real things. Not all the time, 276 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: but oftentimes. One great example that we are fond of 277 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: bringing up on this show is the city of Troy. 278 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: That's right, listeners, depending on your age um, in previous generations, 279 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: very close to recent history, people thought Troy was just ah, 280 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: a pretty story for the Rubes, and anyone who claimed 281 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: to believe that Troy was real was either lying to 282 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: you to swindle you, or was dumb enough to be 283 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: swindled themselves. And then boom turns out ye yep, good job, 284 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: human beings. We lost an entire city for centuries and 285 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: we've and we've done the same. We still have many 286 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: lost cities, uh in underwater now, or like pyramids that 287 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: are essentially hidden into the structure of a mountain right right, 288 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: or things that have been eaten by the jungle in 289 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: South America, which is still possibly which you can still 290 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: find via lidar. But as we have mentioned in our 291 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: podcast on law civilizations, some of those governments have reasons 292 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: to not show them. I'm not talking about some huge 293 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: apocalyptic conspiracy. I'm saying that if the United Nations rules 294 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: them as historically significant locations, then the government is on 295 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: the hook for protecting them and paying for their maintenance. 296 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: So unfortunately, that's that's a real thing, because a real conspiracy. 297 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: It is. It is, but it seems so not petty, 298 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: just like not that big of a deal. I guess 299 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: it can get quite expensive to protect a large site 300 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: in that way, and it would be enough to been 301 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: a government from wanting to have it on the books. 302 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: I guess sure, especially if you're cash strapped and corrupt. 303 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: Cash strapped or corrupt, those are two particular, particularly interesting 304 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: flavors of government. They go great together. Peasing carrots. You 305 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: have examples of it. Are not those of governments that 306 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: are not either of those categories. Well, it's as I'm saying, 307 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: it's all gradations of of cast strappedness and corrupt. I 308 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: hear Singapore's uh, pretty uncorrupted. However, they are also very authoritarian. 309 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: That's that's that's one. That's another end of the continuum there, 310 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, either authoritarian, corrupt, or cash strapped. It's 311 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: like that old thing about oh what's We repeat this 312 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: a lot when we're talking about video and film off 313 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: air U. You can have something fast, good, or cheap. 314 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: You can only have two of those three. Yeah, choose 315 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: because you're gonna miss one. But the idea here that 316 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: there would be an archaeological conspiracy is not from from 317 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: the people who believe in it. It's not that far 318 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: fetched because we know that there has been suppression of 319 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: the past before in multiple instances of dominant cultures seek 320 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: to erase the record or the history of the people 321 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: who came before or the culture that they that had 322 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: been supplanted. And this is not ancient history. This is 323 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: happening now around the world. Places with different places are 324 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: getting their names changed to match the language of the 325 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: dominant culture or the would be dominant culture. Um our own, 326 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: our own country has a vast and disturbing history of 327 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: seeking to eradicate uh native people's right. And so for 328 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: people who believe that there is a biblical art, for 329 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: people literally interpret this um as you know, the word 330 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: of God not an allegory, then it would be it 331 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: would be completely within the realm of possibility for a 332 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: dominant government to suppress the evidence of this. An author 333 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: named Carl Bright believes the ARC is not only real, 334 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: but hidden from the mainstream actively, and he wrote a 335 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: book called Quest for Discovery, One Man's Epic Search for 336 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: Noah's Ark. He argues that world governments are suppressing the 337 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: location of the ARC because they don't want to um. Well, 338 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: here we have a quote. I firmly believe that the 339 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: governments of Turkey, Russia, and the United States know exactly 340 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: where the ARC sits. They suppress the information, but God 341 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: is in charge. The structure will be revealed in its time. 342 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: We climb the mountain in search, hoping it is in 343 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: fact God's time. As we climb, use are so Lord 344 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: is our prayer. So as you can see this. Uh. 345 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: This author also has clearly a an established belief system here, 346 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: and it's always tricky when we explore the nature of belief, 347 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: being such a fundamentally subjective and private thing. So we 348 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: would love to hear from you, ladies, gentlemen, others shadows, 349 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: anyone who happens to be a massive spiders wearing a 350 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: bag of flesh. We won't tell your secret, but we 351 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: do want to know what you think about the story 352 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: of Noah's art. It's generally considered by academia to be 353 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: uh what is called the pseudoscience, which I know is 354 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: rough for a lot of people to hear. But we 355 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: also have to acknowledge that people who are professional biblical 356 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: scholars and Christians themselves often note that they believe the 357 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: story of Noah's art function as an allegory for as 358 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: an old set a cleansing of sorts, rather than a 359 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: physical flood. But but we have more for you because 360 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: we have found a little bit of a little bit 361 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: of forensic, archaeological or geological evidence that might support a 362 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,959 Speaker 1: seed of truth from which the flood myth began. And 363 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: we'll get to it after a word from our responsive 364 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 1: war and we're bat Okay, here's the thing. So originally, 365 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: when we first started exploring this idea, we thought, well, 366 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, nobody could build a boat now to hold 367 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: sufficient breeding population of all the animals in the world. 368 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: Just we can't. We we can't do it. It's not 369 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: that we can't build something big enough. I'm sure if 370 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: all everybody worked together we could. We just does it 371 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: imply that there was some kind of clown car logic 372 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: going on that God sort of like helped out and 373 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: gave the ability to fit more stuff. It's like bigger 374 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: on the inside like the tartists, you know. I mean, 375 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: do you think there was maybe a little bit of 376 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: intervention perhaps, right, a little bit of divine interventions? The 377 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: story sure has a lot of magical thinking involved. I mean, 378 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: you can't get away from the fact that, like you're saying, 379 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: if we can't do this today with all the machinery 380 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: and equipment we have, you know, how could it have 381 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: been done without some sort of you know, intervention from 382 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: a higher power or is it just meant to be 383 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: kind of an allegory, right, And and there's also the question, 384 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, uh, what sorts of animals were around at 385 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: the time, because we will also hear other Biblical scholars 386 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: who say, well, there were just fewer species of animals, which, 387 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: believing what I do about the nature of adaptation, I 388 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: find difficult. I've heard several different things in from Bible 389 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: study over the years, but one was that it was 390 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: just animals from the immediate area. And in this, in 391 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: this version of like an interpretation, the flood itself wasn't 392 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: perhaps a global flood that was survived. That's one one 393 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: version that I've heard. Another one was that, um, it 394 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: was never like the magical thinking of you know, changing 395 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: the interior of a boat to make it abble to 396 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: fit everything in um. The third one is more allegorical, 397 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: and this is from a Bible class and it's just 398 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: a way to use the wisdom that's found in this 399 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: story of when you see something bad happening, prepare and 400 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 1: you know, save that which is around you as well. Yeah, 401 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: that's you know, this is the thing. These different versions. 402 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: These different interpretations are all evidence of the unavoidable thing 403 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: that occurs when we look in the distant past. History 404 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 1: is a game of telephone with the actions and the 405 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: beliefs of the dead. And you know, people might dress 406 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: it up, uh and and talk about the great inspiring 407 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: moments of history, and of course those do exist. But 408 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that we tend to add, to 409 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: take away from, um modify and re contextualize the stories 410 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: of the past. And since most of the people from 411 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: the past, statistically speaking, are dead or haven't contacted us, uh, 412 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: there's no one to say, hey, that's not how it 413 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: actually happened. There's no one around to say, well, we 414 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: took the animals on the farm. We took all the 415 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: animals on our farm to escape a regional flood or 416 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: something like that. Here's something interesting. There's a thing called 417 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: the Black Sea deluge hypothesis. So around fifty b c E. 418 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: According to this hypothesis, there was a catastrophic rise in 419 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: the level of the Black Sea and waters from the 420 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: Mediterranean Sea breached a sill in the Bosphorus straight So 421 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: this was published in or The New York Times mentioned 422 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: it right before it was in an academic journal. And 423 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: here's here's the weird thing. People agree that the events 424 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: described in this hypothesis happened. They're only debating the details. 425 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: How suddenly did it happen? When exactly did it happen? 426 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: How bad was the flooding? But in the side of 427 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: the authors of this are two guys named William Ryan 428 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: and walt Or Pittman. So before glacial melt water had 429 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: turned the Black and Caspian Seas into these huge freshwater 430 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: lakes draining into the A g and Sea. As the 431 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: glaciers retreated, some of the rivers emptying into the sea 432 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: UH declined and then lower decline and volume, and they 433 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: ended up changing course to hit the North Sea. The 434 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: levels of lakes dropped through evaporation. Overall, sea level began 435 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: to rise due to worldwide oceanic changes, and finally the 436 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: rising Mediterraneans spilled over at the Bosphorus UH and flooded 437 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: sixty thousand square miles of land, and it expanded the 438 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: Black seashoreline to the north and west. So this would 439 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: this would be the um for their hypothesis. They would 440 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: say for at least three hundred days UH UH ten 441 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: cubic miles of water poured through and that's two hundred 442 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: times the average flow of Niagara falls for three d days. Yeah, 443 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: the days don't match up, but obviously depending on how 444 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: quickly this happened. It's like that old that oldie song, 445 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide. I took out 446 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: the baby so it sounded more serious. Did that work? Yeah? No, 447 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: I think it did, especially if you think about the 448 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: modes of transportation that were available at the time. If 449 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: this kind of water is just flooding through a most 450 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: people are foot, yeah, most people are on foot. An 451 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: animal would be a significant investment there. So critics of 452 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: this usually focus on how much water was going through 453 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: or how rapidly it came through, right, that's time and 454 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: the degree. However, um, if this happened at a certain 455 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: you know, past this rapidity, then yeah, it would seem 456 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: like the world was flooding, right. Uh. This This idea 457 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: remains somewhat controversial. There there are other instances that are 458 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: almost have floated. There are other instances that are proposed 459 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: as the real life origin of the global flood myth. 460 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: But it's kind of weird when you think about it. 461 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: Isn't it that all these cultures, many of which are unrelated, 462 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: have some sort of flood myth. Like I I accept, 463 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: of course the idea that from Babylonians, uh Samarian and 464 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: Mesopotamian culture, a lot of later European or Christian flood 465 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: myths could originate, um and even maybe contact with India. 466 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: But what about what about people in North and South America? 467 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: Why they kick j Maya have a flood myth? This 468 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: ties into a lot of things that people argue as 469 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: evidence of lost civilizations, like Limeria or Atlantis. They say, well, 470 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:13,959 Speaker 1: it was this great civilization, incredibly advanced. They because of 471 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: some catastrophe or angering the gods or some sort of 472 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: forbidden technology, even nuclear power, they destroyed themselves and then 473 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: in in the process founded all these other cultures after 474 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: they flooded the world. That's that's something I don't know, 475 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: we've we've talked about that before this initial we have, 476 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: and I think that is one of the more fascinating 477 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: things to think about. That's a great concept to imagine. 478 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: If you go to the Georgian Aquarium. I did that. 479 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: I did that last time. I went with my son, 480 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: and I just you know that the large way the tunnel. Yeah, 481 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: you just walked through that, and I was just imagining 482 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: being in Atlantean and at land. I don't know what 483 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: is that from one from Atlantis Atlantean Atlantean see person 484 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: person and just floating through that thing. Yeah, And I 485 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: imagine our culture right now, in our society and what 486 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: tales will be told about it several thousand years from now. 487 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: How this kingdom existed in this continent and they developed 488 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: these weapons and then flooded the world. Oh, here's a 489 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: here's a game for everyone in the audience. You might 490 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: enjoy this. I enjoy this. It's it's a little bit dark. 491 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: Next time you're around really densely populated area in terms 492 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: of structures, like you're going through a city, imagine what 493 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: future historians and archaeologists will will. I think these things were, um, 494 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of years in the future. Maybe human, 495 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: maybe alien, Because what always gets me when I see 496 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: big interstate interchanges is I can easily imagine some smug 497 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: jerk again human alien, thousand and some thousand years in 498 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: the future, going Uh. Their aqueduct system was quite advanced 499 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: with the highways for biological entities, spaghetti junctions, Yeah, that's 500 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: that would be the idea. And then skyscrapers, how are 501 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: you going to explain those? Those are kind of phallic. 502 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: There's gonna be what monuments to whatever weird god they 503 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: imagine we worshiped. Other excavations have revealed evidence of localized flooding. 504 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 1: So in the modern day Telfara a rock there are 505 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: there's evidence of flooding. There's evidence of localized flooding in 506 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: er Kish Rook, Lagash Niniva, and we see that more 507 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: and more. The answer to the flood myth is maybe 508 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: not one single flood taking over the planet as much 509 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: as it is a series of catastrophic, horrific regional floods 510 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: that a cur in a in a time when most 511 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 1: people lived and died within, you know, easily within twenty 512 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: miles of where they were born. So our our answer 513 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: here is still it's still up for debate. Is it 514 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: is it possible that someone saved all of the animals 515 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: in the world in a single boat? Literally It's highly implausible, right, right, 516 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: But the more we learn about the history of flooding, 517 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: right and even controversial things like this black seed deluge hypothesis, 518 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: the more we have to ask ourselves is this story 519 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: is some some part of this story based in truth? 520 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: Did someone actually survive a regional flood I save a 521 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: whole bunch of animals by building a boat in time? Yeah, 522 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: what do you guys think? I think that's highly plausible 523 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 1: that there was a much smaller scale, non global flood 524 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: threat that one person was either knew about through you know, 525 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: some kind of higher means, or maybe he just kind 526 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: of had some abilities to look for those signs, you know, 527 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 1: maybe there were some clues and the environment changing in 528 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: the weather, and there was just one guy that was like, Hey, 529 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: here's an idea. Let's go ahead and do a little 530 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: doomsday prepping right now and build ourselves a big old 531 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: boat and take all the animals we have on the farm. 532 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: Maybe on a large enough scale that it impressed people 533 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: to such a degree that the story, like a game 534 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: with telephone, gradually morphed a little bit of that boat 535 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: got bigger and bigger, and it went from being just 536 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: about this area to being about the entire planet. You know. 537 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: I mean, But if Noah and the people on the 538 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: boat and the animals on the boat were the only 539 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: ones who survived in the area, who told the story 540 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: was it Noah, because I can imagine Noah melishing a 541 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: little bit. It was Babe the Pig who got to 542 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: start on Noah's ark before going to Hollywood. Uh we 543 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: are going to end this today. Of course, we want 544 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: to hear from you if you have if you have 545 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: a take on the Arc, if you have a take 546 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: on the evolution of mythology, or if there's stuff you 547 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: heard um in your own research that lends lends a 548 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: different perspective to this. Uh we we would love to 549 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 1: hear about it. You can find us on Facebook and Twitter. 550 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: But before you do, if you're on the Internet, I 551 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: want to leave you with some interesting news. 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