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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL. I'm Dan hanss.
Speaker 1: I got a virtual room filled with heroes. Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Colleen Wolf. Yes, Santa did import a Papa
Speaker 1: Shot into my home in December, and I've gotten quite
Speaker 1: good at it.
Speaker 2: A and B.
Speaker 1: I do use it way more than my own children.
Speaker 3: Mmm, I don't know you have.
Speaker 4: A Paapa Shot. I'm gonna come over. That's great.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's the official one too. Okay, it's not
Speaker 1: a knockoff.
Speaker 3: Do you ever like gradually pete against them and talk
Speaker 3: trash when they can't stand up to you because they're
Speaker 3: just little kids?
Speaker 1: No, because they I am so much better than them
Speaker 1: that there's no way to actually compete in any meaningful way.
Speaker 1: So it's a lot of more solo private time for
Speaker 1: old Zeuser and the Papa Shot. And then if whenever
Speaker 1: the kids have any interest in playing, I'll throw them
Speaker 1: a bone and watch them and tell them they're doing great,
Speaker 1: but they're really not. Like I'm so much better than
Speaker 1: the matter.
Speaker 2: This was my approach with the sport of tennis with
Speaker 2: my children, which I've dialogued with you guys about before,
Speaker 2: where it was like an absolute seek and destroy mission, right,
Speaker 2: and like let's not leave any wiggle room about who's
Speaker 2: the most dominant performer.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's exactly how I feel. I sometimes you
Speaker 1: have to, like, all, my eldest son, Jack has really
Speaker 1: gotten into playing basketball, and so we'll go across the street.
Speaker 1: My neighbor has a hoop and we'll play, and you know,
Speaker 1: I let them hang around in games. And then, as
Speaker 1: an eight year old, boys want to do. Yeah, as
Speaker 1: an eight year old boys want to do. You know,
Speaker 1: if you start giving him some open looks and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it looks like he's gonna win, then
Speaker 1: I have to just actually drop the hammer and bring
Speaker 1: him down to earth. And I think, if you if
Speaker 1: you're gonna beat your dad, you're gonna have to do
Speaker 1: it for real. I'm not handing out these fake dad victories.
Speaker 1: Come and get me for real. So I let him
Speaker 1: get close and then take him down. That's my dad philosophy.
Speaker 1: That's the only build up knockdown.
Speaker 4: Can't let their heads get too big.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when he starts playing dirty starts elbowing you. That's
Speaker 3: when you know he's a real man.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Connie, how are you? You are under the weather today?
Speaker 1: So we really do thank you, and today is an
Speaker 1: important episode. We're going around the AFC in forty eight
Speaker 1: minutes coming off draft week. You were there, of course,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, because it's always been kind of
Speaker 1: weird to me, and I don't know how you guys
Speaker 1: feel about it, but like, we know one Colleen and
Speaker 1: then she shows up at these league events and she's
Speaker 1: dressed like up like she's going to the oscars, and
Speaker 1: it's just like it's kind of just jarring for me
Speaker 1: in terms of cognitively, like when you are the dressed
Speaker 1: up like a award show tent pole event, con is
Speaker 1: that Colleen Wolf? Is that Connie Fox? Like who are
Speaker 1: you right now? And who is that? You know?
Speaker 5: I was actually thinking that is a totally separate representative
Speaker 5: that I'm not even really that familiar with. She is
Speaker 5: new to the scene and she only shows up like
Speaker 5: maybe once a year, but she brings it and now me,
Speaker 5: Colleen Wolf and Connie Fox, we have to suffer the consequences.
Speaker 5: So my representative in Kansas City really did some great work,
Speaker 5: but also my travels there. I got stuck in Denver.
Speaker 5: I had to sleep on a bench in the airport
Speaker 5: for an hour and then fly to Dallas to get
Speaker 5: to Kansas City to do DJ's mock draft on like
Speaker 5: an hour of sleep, and they lost my bags and
Speaker 5: so I started off.
Speaker 4: Really on a bad note.
Speaker 5: And now I think everything has caught up with me.
Speaker 4: So here we are. I'm actually not hungover. I'm sick.
Speaker 2: Colleen. When you were on our show last time, when
Speaker 2: it was you and Clayban, you you mentioned that, you know, honestly,
Speaker 2: it was a nice thing to share with the fans
Speaker 2: that sometimes you deal with imposter syndrome, which which a
Speaker 2: lot of people do. But do you find that that
Speaker 2: the event Colleen maybe doesn't suffer from that, because maybe
Speaker 2: that's your true self that comes out, you know, say,
Speaker 2: like you said, two or three days a year, is
Speaker 2: that the more authentic Colleen?
Speaker 4: No, it's all an act. It's all truly an act.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's still the genuine Colleen is inside.
Speaker 4: That's like, what am I doing here? Why are they
Speaker 4: sending me out on stage? Why am iy a hype man?
Speaker 4: But here we go? So you it's it helps you.
Speaker 1: Do tremendous work. You didn't answer the question, though, is
Speaker 1: that is that Connie Fox?
Speaker 4: It has shades of Connie Fox for sure.
Speaker 1: That's and and who's talking about I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it's a new you know, because I'm sick.
Speaker 5: I think I'm just going in between all of the
Speaker 5: different representatives right now. No one has the wheel for sure,
Speaker 5: so the car is going to crash at some point.
Speaker 4: And I don't know really who's right, So you.
Speaker 1: Have multiple personality. It's a disorder. All right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: We're gonna hang in there. Hopefully Aunt Doreen makes an appearance.
Speaker 1: We're excited. So yes, let's get caught up on one
Speaker 1: bit of news before we get dive into the AFC.
Speaker 1: It came out of Green Bay. Of course, it's a
Speaker 1: whole new era for the Packers with Aaron Rodgers now
Speaker 1: with the Jets and Jordan Love the quarterback. They had
Speaker 1: a decision to make. It's a little clunky and awkward
Speaker 1: the way it all came out where they took Jordan
Speaker 1: Love as the first round pick three years ago. He
Speaker 1: hasn't played yet, and now when he's about to take
Speaker 1: over as the starter, the team has to make the decision,
Speaker 1: as every team on first round picks do, on whether
Speaker 1: they pick up their options. So instead of of the
Speaker 1: fifty year options, so instead of doing that, the team
Speaker 1: signed Love to an extension in which they greggie pay
Speaker 1: him a different amount an actual a lesser amount, and
Speaker 1: I suppose keep their options. What did you take out
Speaker 1: of this? Why did the Packers go this route rather
Speaker 1: than just pick up the fifth year option.
Speaker 3: I was very surprised by this, Like a couple of
Speaker 3: things can be true. It's absolutely a good move for
Speaker 3: Green Bay. I think you know, they got him on
Speaker 3: a very team friendly contract, and if you're Jordan Love,
Speaker 3: I understand the idea of let's take some guaranteed money
Speaker 3: right now. He got like a signing bonus that he
Speaker 3: wouldn't have had otherwise. But I was just surprised that
Speaker 3: they started at the point of like, actually, no, we're
Speaker 3: not giving you a fifth year option. That's not something
Speaker 3: we're interested in. That's like even twenty million dollars is
Speaker 3: too much to guarantee without seeing you on the field.
Speaker 3: And the fact that they are so committed to this
Speaker 3: plan by getting rid of Aaron Rodgers, but they're not
Speaker 3: committed enough that they even are confident enough to keep
Speaker 3: Jordan Love into twenty twenty four. It's it's an eyebrow
Speaker 3: razor and they're they're keeping their options and it means
Speaker 3: he might not be on the team next season.
Speaker 2: The one like for the lam Armie people that are
Speaker 2: trumpeting the fact that you know, he did all what
Speaker 2: he did without an agent and doesn't have to pay
Speaker 2: those agent fees, which you know, I guess in the
Speaker 2: rear view mirror that does look good. But I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2: It's David Mullagetta, who is Love's agent at least he
Speaker 2: was a year ago, so he's able to both get
Speaker 2: the highest guaranteed money for a quarterback ever in NFL
Speaker 2: history and then go do this deal which looks sort
Speaker 2: of like Love got slightly snowballed here, So quite a
Speaker 2: versatile move from the agency.
Speaker 5: I thought it was interesting on Saturday that Brian Gudakun
Speaker 5: said it's when he was asked about Jordan Love whether
Speaker 5: or not they would pick up his option, he said,
Speaker 5: it's a lot of money for a guy who hasn't played.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, obviously we're moving forward with him,
Speaker 5: so we're going to figure it out by Tuesday, So
Speaker 5: he kind of knew obviously that that was that sum.
Speaker 5: It would have guaranteed him I think twenty point two
Speaker 5: million dollars the fifth year option, So they save a
Speaker 5: lot of money going thirteen point five now, and then
Speaker 5: I guess, for love, if he does come out this
Speaker 5: year and he does play well, he, in theory, has
Speaker 5: more than one year to prove that he could be
Speaker 5: the packer's future. So if he gets hurt or anything
Speaker 5: like that, I guess it gives him a little bit
Speaker 5: of insurance too. He's just not making the money he
Speaker 5: could have.
Speaker 3: It was sort of the opposite of betting on yourself.
Speaker 3: That was the thing. He didn't want to bet on himself.
Speaker 3: He wanted to take the money. And I totally get that,
Speaker 3: like it's some security, but it just starting at the point.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure they told Mullageda this, like, you're not
Speaker 3: getting that fifth year option, so will you take something else?
Speaker 3: And if not, we'll we'll just roll with you and
Speaker 3: you'll be on a one year contract.
Speaker 1: A little weird, yeah, And the thing with the Green
Speaker 1: Bay cap situation, it's a little complicated because they have
Speaker 1: over forty million in dead money from Aaron Rodgers' contract
Speaker 1: on the cap this season, so this gives them some
Speaker 1: relief on that end of things. And then I think
Speaker 1: that it's thirteen million guaranteed either way for love next year,
Speaker 1: which is I think it's a financial it's a cap move.
Speaker 1: I think as well, there's a lot of maybe different
Speaker 1: moving parts to it. One more thing about the Lamar thing,
Speaker 1: I wish any of us would have thought, like literally
Speaker 1: anyone else like in football, and it covers or would
Speaker 1: have thought of it like this was always the way
Speaker 1: he should have played it. Don't hire the agent, don't
Speaker 1: communicate with the team, and then wait for one of
Speaker 1: those other three guys and then just say give me that.
Speaker 1: That would have been so eat And that's kind of
Speaker 1: what happened. But with Jalen hurts his contract like that,
Speaker 1: That's how I'm gonna do it going forward. If I
Speaker 1: ever was in a similar situation, I'm just gonna wait.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see who else is kind of on a
Speaker 1: similar career trajectory or level in terms of our business,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say, no, agency, give me that. And
Speaker 1: even if I get a little bit less, I'm still
Speaker 1: covering a making bank because I'm not paying the fee.
Speaker 1: It's kind of amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, the problem is you don't have Tom Pelasero like
Speaker 3: reporting the negotiations of like Will Brinson's contract at CBS
Speaker 3: or anything.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's the issue, all right. So either way,
Speaker 1: Jordan Love is the quarterback this year, and then they
Speaker 1: have to see if he could play the guitar. That's
Speaker 1: what it comes down to. And Mark, if he could
Speaker 1: play that guitar, he will play the guitar for a
Speaker 1: long set in Green Bay. If not, they'll be on those.
Speaker 2: It's also I mean, it's like from one angle and
Speaker 2: I know this is so one you know, no one
Speaker 2: on Twitter could handle this side of it. But it's
Speaker 2: like Love isn't a weird situation. The Packers are in
Speaker 2: a weird situation. They kind of compromise, Like, I know,
Speaker 2: you didn't get as much money as you could have,
Speaker 2: but you've also done nothing for the Packers. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like you met in the middle here and we'll
Speaker 2: see what happens. But I understand, like you've got to go.
Speaker 2: It's all about the green Backs, and you got to
Speaker 2: go get everything you can otherwise you're gonna get absolutely
Speaker 2: destroyed verbally by everyone who covers the sport.
Speaker 1: This is unprecedented, right, a player getting an extension without
Speaker 1: ever doing anything.
Speaker 3: Now, that was that was what was interesting, not the
Speaker 3: not the not the the compromise, which does make some sense,
Speaker 3: but more like, this has literally never happened with this
Speaker 3: fifty option type. So they're they're setting a new uh
Speaker 3: foundation for other teams to copy. If they're if they're
Speaker 3: like feeling mixed, if like we kind of like you
Speaker 3: sort of, maybe we'll see again.
Speaker 1: If it's just about doing some cap tidy work, they
Speaker 1: have to sign their rookie class, it's a different situation.
Speaker 1: But if it's not really about that, I just would
Speaker 1: have went with the Daniel Jones route. The Giants went
Speaker 1: decline it, play out the fourth year and then see
Speaker 1: where we're at. But they didn't do it. Let's see
Speaker 1: what happens, all right, shall we shall? We dig into
Speaker 1: the AFC post draft.
Speaker 2: Let's go, yeah, like to get your own boys, Let's.
Speaker 1: Go exactly and if you want to take a overall look, Colleen,
Speaker 1: I meant to tell you right after this, you and
Speaker 1: I are going to do the Power Rankings podcast.
Speaker 4: Oh perfect.
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Speaker 1: dot com slash handss to check out the latest power rankings.
Speaker 1: So I've kind of I was underground working through all
Speaker 1: this over the last couple of days, so I feel
Speaker 1: pretty prepared for this. I hope you guys are as well.
Speaker 1: I'm going to spin through thirty two teams in two shows,
Speaker 1: starting with the AFC thirty two, ninety sixteen and sixteen
Speaker 1: teams to talk about let's do it justin. Starting out
Speaker 1: for US is Mark Sessler on the Bills.
Speaker 2: So I had a chance to watch a little bit
Speaker 2: more of Dalton Kincaid and my takeaway and Greg, I
Speaker 2: know you were talking him up a couple of shows
Speaker 2: ago too, is I think he might wind up being
Speaker 2: one of the best draft fits of any player in
Speaker 2: the first round. I really it just fits exactly what
Speaker 2: they need because he's, yeah, he's a tight end, but
Speaker 2: he's really just basically their slot receiver. And I think
Speaker 2: it shores up a wide out group that looked a
Speaker 2: little thin after Stefan Diggs and Gave Davis, so you
Speaker 2: know they were quiet in free agency. I think Damien
Speaker 2: Harris was a good pickup and they did resign a
Speaker 2: bunch of their own guys, but we're also watching like
Speaker 2: the Dolphins and the Jets totally level up before our eyes. Well,
Speaker 2: this is largely still the same Bills team as last year,
Speaker 2: and I think it's easy just to pencil them in
Speaker 2: for like the AFC title game year after year, but
Speaker 2: I think it ignores like how often last year they
Speaker 2: looked kind of asleep on offense and the Josh Allen
Speaker 2: had an up and down year, and I just wonder
Speaker 2: how the Bills enough, like are they ripe to be
Speaker 2: overrated all off season or should I just clim it
Speaker 2: with that concept?
Speaker 1: They did the right thing in Kansas City. I mean
Speaker 1: that was the move. I think getting a playmaker in there.
Speaker 1: A lot of people connected wide receiver to him. They
Speaker 1: went tight end, but yes, like you said, he could
Speaker 1: play in the slot. Do I still really imagine if
Speaker 1: they You know, they also add to the offensive line
Speaker 1: with Osiris Torrens, and that was important because they took
Speaker 1: a step back on the line last year and Josh
Speaker 1: Allen was sacked thirty three times. I like that move,
Speaker 1: do I really what? I love them to put the
Speaker 1: cherry on top of the Andre Hopkins. Yes, I still
Speaker 1: think It makes so much sense, even if you're hearing
Speaker 1: continued reports about Hopkins going back to Arizona. Imagine this
Speaker 1: would be seen as a smashing success in Buffalo if
Speaker 1: they topped it off with that, and they would go
Speaker 1: just steaming into the season. But yeah, I do agree
Speaker 1: with you, Kincaid. Makes made so much sense for them there.
Speaker 3: I thought it was telling Caiden box right. The first
Speaker 3: two picks on offense to me, like they came into
Speaker 3: this draft, We're gonna help out Josh Allen. Four of
Speaker 3: the top or four of their six picks were on offense.
Speaker 3: The first two.
Speaker 4: Picks T minus one minute.
Speaker 3: Oh, forget about that.
Speaker 1: Fix it.
Speaker 3: I am wondering though, with Stefan Diggs, like gonna be
Speaker 3: an issue that's sort of like an off season storyline.
Speaker 3: It's like, let's keep an eye on Steffundis Connie.
Speaker 5: I can't believe that they didn't get a corner back
Speaker 5: until what like the last round in the draft.
Speaker 4: That was kind of shocking to me.
Speaker 5: So I forget how this works with the T minus
Speaker 5: Like that's why I stopped talking.
Speaker 4: Are we is this one where you get started?
Speaker 3: Or no? Okay, that was one minute?
Speaker 4: Oh that's great.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, your ass gets started if you.
Speaker 5: Go over though, Okay, yeah, I just like I was
Speaker 5: really shocked that I knew that they would end up
Speaker 5: getting a pass catcher. Obviously they went tight end instead
Speaker 5: of a wide receiver because the tight end class was
Speaker 5: so deep this year and so talented. But the fact
Speaker 5: that they didn't get a corner kind of bothered me
Speaker 5: about this whole draft class five.
Speaker 2: The Stephan Digson is on my radar two, but Brandon
Speaker 2: Bean said he wasn't concerned. I don't believe anything though.
Speaker 1: The Miami Dolphins Greg Roseval.
Speaker 3: All right, they had a quiet draft, you know, just
Speaker 3: because they didn't have their picks because the old hanky
Speaker 3: panky with old Tom Brady and what not a year
Speaker 3: ago trying to get that done with Sean Payton. But
Speaker 3: I think their draft kind of continued a theme for
Speaker 3: them in that they're like really deep. Their two first
Speaker 3: picks Devin A. Chain was the running back in the
Speaker 3: third round, and then Camp Smith at cornerback. Like, those
Speaker 3: guys don't need to go in and play right away.
Speaker 3: But I like those picks and they'll probably have a
Speaker 3: role during the season. And I started looking up and
Speaker 3: down this roster, and I gotta say it's a trend.
Speaker 3: Like they have backups I like throughout their defense, like
Speaker 3: too deep, they got them at running back. I like
Speaker 3: the backups and wide receiver, I like the backups. Offensive
Speaker 3: line is maybe an issue, but overall I look at
Speaker 3: this as one of the best rosters in the league.
Speaker 3: Like to and the offensive line are a little bit
Speaker 3: of an issue, but otherwise I think it's one of
Speaker 3: the best rosters in the entire NFL.
Speaker 1: Quick story Friday morning last week after the first round,
Speaker 1: I went golfing with my father in law, Bob baits
Speaker 1: Dds and it was like a top golf place, so
Speaker 1: there was a bar and I went to get a
Speaker 1: couple of drafts before we hit the course and as
Speaker 1: I'm paying up the tab, the guy notices my name
Speaker 1: and he goes man, So they didn't send you to
Speaker 1: the draft, huh? And first of all, that coming hurt
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 3: Bit, a little bit of a dig there a.
Speaker 1: Little bit of a day got defensive, and I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we don't really want to go. But anyway, he.
Speaker 3: Turns out you like a runaway, like they didn't send
Speaker 3: Brinson either.
Speaker 1: Shut up, no, But it turns out he was a
Speaker 1: Dolphins fan, and we started chatting up a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I agreed, even as a Jets fan where he's
Speaker 1: coming from, where it's like Miami, Like remember before two
Speaker 1: got hurt, they were humming almost on a historic level.
Speaker 1: On offense, they have a lot of pieces on both
Speaker 1: sides of the ball. Nobody's talking about the Dolphins, and
Speaker 1: maybe that's a good place to be the AFC East
Speaker 1: sleeper sell here with all these other teams getting the hype. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. As a team. They could be a team
Speaker 1: that wins eleven games this year. Easy.
Speaker 2: Well, it is funny because it was a year ago
Speaker 2: that everyone's like, oh, are we going to get four
Speaker 2: teams from the AFC West and the playoffs? And two
Speaker 2: of the AFC West teams didn't win more than six games.
Speaker 2: So I'll wait and see what happens with the actual division.
Speaker 2: But I am with you on the Dolphins. No one's
Speaker 2: talking about them. I think. I really think in general
Speaker 2: it's the two experience that there's just this general lack
Speaker 2: of faith that Tua is one of those four or
Speaker 2: five guys despite what happened last year. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: it's fair, but I mean, you have to show that
Speaker 2: you can get through a season with that quarterback or
Speaker 2: like we have Mike White starting games, which I don't hate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and when I look at what the Dolphins did
Speaker 5: this offseason, even before the draft, the fact that they
Speaker 5: only had four picks going into the draft, but they
Speaker 5: made the trade for Jalen Ramsey, which is huge because
Speaker 5: it immediately filled a need for them. And then I
Speaker 5: liked the first guy that they got, another cornerback. They
Speaker 5: got Cam Smith who was really really good in the SEC.
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm a big college football girl.
Speaker 4: So that's that's that. There we go right out the clock.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call time out. I'm going to use their
Speaker 1: first time out because I just want to cycle back
Speaker 1: to interaction with the guy at the top golf bar.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit and more more annoying too
Speaker 1: because he kind of looked behind him at the TV
Speaker 1: that was on NFL Network before making the comment, and
Speaker 1: it was Jeremiah on the screen.
Speaker 2: You're losing all over the place in that interaction.
Speaker 1: Now for you. So like when he goes, you know,
Speaker 1: so they didn't send you the draft, huh? I was like,
Speaker 1: my real response should have been well, you're not at
Speaker 1: the draft either. Didn't think of it fair. That would
Speaker 1: have really put him in his place.
Speaker 2: Dan, did he by chance dig down and discuss, you know,
Speaker 2: what he thought about the other characters on the show.
Speaker 2: Thoughts and feelings about Red Mark Colleen.
Speaker 4: What does he think about Mark?
Speaker 1: He says he loves you, Mark, and he thinks you're
Speaker 1: a special person and a beautiful boy.
Speaker 2: You can make.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: They did send more to the draft.
Speaker 1: All right, Mark Ross, maybe time in the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: So mac Jones is going to be there. But as
Speaker 1: mac Jones set up for success, it couldn't be possibly
Speaker 1: worse than last year. But they used their first three
Speaker 1: picks on defensive players. Bill Belichick obviously, who's asked about
Speaker 1: that specifically, Hey what about the offense? Not a lot
Speaker 1: of playmakers there, And you know Bill, he's a ground
Speaker 1: grumble grumble. That was the board and he was the
Speaker 1: best players there and all that stuff. But anyway, you
Speaker 1: have Juju Smith Schuster there now, and it's like, man
Speaker 1: if Juju Smith Schuster didn't take off with Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: last year, we pretty much know who he is right now,
Speaker 1: right and he's fine. He's pretty versatile but not really
Speaker 1: a big playmaker. Necessarily a nice red zone target, but
Speaker 1: not special. Mike Aseki, I think the Dolphins maybe misused
Speaker 1: them a little bit or under used them. I like
Speaker 1: him as a prospect, but they haven't proved that they
Speaker 1: can get a tight end going since Gronk left. Is
Speaker 1: there enough there? I mean, are they setting up mac
Speaker 1: Jones for failure again? But in a little bit of
Speaker 1: a different way.
Speaker 2: I think number one, Like I give them an automatic
Speaker 2: sense of probably rising up much more than last year.
Speaker 2: Just because Bill O'Brien, I mean, for all his issues
Speaker 2: as a GM, he can run an offense. He and
Speaker 2: mac Jones are super tight. I think that heals that
Speaker 2: whole situation to some degree. But I'm with you, Dan,
Speaker 2: Like when I look around at the other offenses in
Speaker 2: the AFC, a super top heavy conference. I look at
Speaker 2: the Patriots and it's just like at the end of
Speaker 2: the rainbow, here's what I see. Zero when it comes
Speaker 2: to that side of the ball, there's no way they're
Speaker 2: gonna win with eleven twelve games. I trust their defense, but
Speaker 2: it's like I think, Bill Belichick, it's like you've had
Speaker 2: two off seasons to go correct this to course correct
Speaker 2: a rather bland attack, and last year you went completely
Speaker 2: in the direction and you're sitting in neutral this offseason.
Speaker 4: Does he want to fix it?
Speaker 5: Like, because it doesn't really seem that way when you
Speaker 5: pass all of these tight ends that are supposed to
Speaker 5: be so good and the wide receivers you don't You
Speaker 5: don't draft a pass catcher until round six.
Speaker 4: I mean that is kind of a slap to Mac Jones.
Speaker 5: And I do though, like Christian Gonzales a lot, the
Speaker 5: guy that they traded down for. He's a really good player,
Speaker 5: and I feel like that's going to be a huge,
Speaker 5: huge boon for that secondary.
Speaker 3: I mean, you draft Kaishan Ba in the sixth round,
Speaker 3: you got to get excited about that. Boote was a
Speaker 3: guy who's kind of interesting for a six round pick,
Speaker 3: who people thought would be a top ten first round
Speaker 3: type pick. He had a little Boote to the mix.
Speaker 3: You're feeling good.
Speaker 1: How about I'll put on my tinfoil hat. Now. Robber
Speaker 1: Craft wouldn't let Bill trade Mac, so Bill says, I'm
Speaker 1: just not going to build up the offense and get
Speaker 1: him out of the picture next year and then build
Speaker 1: up on offense after he's gone.
Speaker 3: On a real note, I do think there's something too
Speaker 3: like Bill wants to do it again. He wants to
Speaker 3: do it with defense. He wants to dig when they
Speaker 3: rest of the league. Zact. They were third and fourth
Speaker 3: in DVOA the last two years with pretty lackluster looking
Speaker 3: rosters going into the season on defense, and they had Gonzales.
Speaker 3: They thought they got a great pick with Keon White,
Speaker 3: and they're pretty loaded on their defensive line and their
Speaker 3: defensive backfield. I think Bill thinks, if I make my
Speaker 3: defense look number one, at least I look good and
Speaker 3: maybe we read yeah.
Speaker 2: But Greg the third and fourth and DVOA and went nowhere.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, they're just I feel like they're just looking
Speaker 3: for ten wins. They're the new Saints. I mean, they're
Speaker 3: hoping to get to eight. Shoot me in the neck,
Speaker 3: shoot it with defense them. I want him. This is
Speaker 3: like my personal game of Bitie. This is the only
Speaker 3: way I feel alive.
Speaker 4: This feels like it should be behind a paywall.
Speaker 1: Colleen, the New York Jets.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, the highlight of the draft came days
Speaker 5: before with Aaron Rodgers finally becoming official. It wasn't so
Speaker 5: much about splash like it was last year. It was
Speaker 5: more about necessity, so it wasn't as sexy, which I
Speaker 5: thought their draft last year was the sexiest.
Speaker 4: But I thought that they.
Speaker 5: Would get an offensive tackle, but all of the guys
Speaker 5: were pretty much already gone at pick fifteen. I think
Speaker 5: there were four guys potentially already gone by that point,
Speaker 5: but so fifteen overall, they went will McDonald, who he's
Speaker 5: been pretty good over the past four seasons on the edge.
Speaker 4: She has thirty three sacks. I like that.
Speaker 5: Addition for Robert Sala, I'm hoping that he plays better
Speaker 5: than like this noise. I'm hearing about all of the
Speaker 5: doubters in him going too high, but that's that. And
Speaker 5: then on the offensive line, they did get a center,
Speaker 5: Joe Tipman in the second round. I think that that
Speaker 5: could be a long term solution for them, and then
Speaker 5: potentially someone who could help clear some lanes for Breese
Speaker 5: Hall once he's back from his ACL So then the
Speaker 5: right side of that line would be Tipman, Elijah Arah Tucker,
Speaker 5: and then Makai Beck. The biggest question of all. I
Speaker 5: thought maybe they would remedy that in this draft, but
Speaker 5: they're gonna just have to figure it out because they
Speaker 5: got in the fourth round Carter Warren the tackle from Pitt.
Speaker 5: He's a Jersey guy, but I just don't know if
Speaker 5: he's going to be a guy that can start right away.
Speaker 4: He missed most of the last six months with that
Speaker 4: knee injury.
Speaker 5: A lot of people say that he could have been
Speaker 5: like a Day two pick, but I don't know if
Speaker 5: he'll be able to play right away, and they kind
Speaker 5: of need someone to play it right away. And then
Speaker 5: that backup plan that they did at running back, I
Speaker 5: like with Breeshall coming off the injury and getting I
Speaker 5: don't know how to pronounce his name. I'm not going
Speaker 5: to try and pronounce his name, but I know that
Speaker 5: they call him Izzy instead of Israel Izzy.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So he's fast, and he's got big play threat,
Speaker 4: and he could make an immediate impact.
Speaker 1: So they went out and you know, they try to
Speaker 1: push back on the idea that they got screwed out
Speaker 1: of a tackle in round one, But then they went
Speaker 1: out right after the draft and went and got Billy
Speaker 1: turned Or, a veteran who used to start for the
Speaker 1: Packers started games for the Broncos last year, and it
Speaker 1: is that's the biggest vulnerability of the team right now,
Speaker 1: my opinion is that they didn't add a blue chip
Speaker 1: prospect at the tackle, and if they deal with injuries again,
Speaker 1: you have a thirty nine year old quarterback and a
Speaker 1: leaky offensive line. That's how bad things happen. That's how
Speaker 1: Rogers is either less effective or gets injured. And then
Speaker 1: as of right now, Zach Wilson comes in. If Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers gets injured, that's another kind of weird subpotle around
Speaker 1: this team. Zach Wilson is still there and you have
Speaker 1: an elderly quarterback and it's like there is a scenario
Speaker 1: where he ends up seeding time to Zach Wilson. So
Speaker 1: there are some doomsday scenarios, but this has always been
Speaker 1: a big swing for the Jets and there are risks involved.
Speaker 2: I think that there are nothing but kind of positive
Speaker 2: reports about Mackay Beckt in this offseason. There where a
Speaker 2: year ago is like does this guy want to do this?
Speaker 2: We're not sure and he gets hurt. I mean, you
Speaker 2: have to hope that had they stayed healthy along the
Speaker 2: line last year, they would have been fine. So it's
Speaker 2: like if you get better, better luck on that front
Speaker 2: and Beckton turns out eight, I think you're all right,
Speaker 2: if you lose Rogers, like the whole plan goes to hell. Anyways.
Speaker 3: Four three he's a durable old guy. He never misses games.
Speaker 3: What do you mean? Sixteen sixteen, sixteen, sixteen, seventeen. Those
Speaker 3: are his starts the last seven years.
Speaker 1: Sixty good point. All right, hey man, old God, listen
Speaker 1: from your lips to God's ears. He's going to be healthy.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break and we'll move to the AFC North.
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back AFC East End, the rear View
Speaker 1: AFC in forty eight minutes. Up next is the AFC North,
Speaker 1: and Connie, we're kicking it back to you to talk
Speaker 1: the Bengals.
Speaker 5: All right, let's talk about the Bengals and what they
Speaker 5: did here in Kansas City. They kind of went Day
Speaker 5: one was best available. I really thought that Cincinnati would
Speaker 5: draft a tight end or a dB in the first round,
Speaker 5: and instead they went with an edge play Miles Murphy.
Speaker 5: So they're going to just try and build that rotation
Speaker 5: that they have with Trey Hendrickson and Sam Hubbard and
Speaker 5: then eventually Miles Murphy can be a starter.
Speaker 4: But I don't know were.
Speaker 5: You guys shocked about this, the fact that they didn't
Speaker 5: get a tight end and one of the deepest, most
Speaker 5: talented classes in a while.
Speaker 2: I mean it think it's sort of like a result
Speaker 2: of like every mock draft suggesting they would and it
Speaker 2: was in need. Like there's reports now that like Irv
Speaker 2: Smith is sort of locked in as their guy, which
Speaker 2: I don't love that because, if anything, Cincinnati has been
Speaker 2: an embarrassment of riches all over the field, and like
Speaker 2: going and getting a young one of those young athletic
Speaker 2: tight ends would have been transformative I think for the offense.
Speaker 2: So I'm with you. I was surprised that they avoided it. Essentially,
Speaker 2: they they avoided the whole draft, and they don't have
Speaker 2: a lot of answers. The one thing I do love,
Speaker 2: I think the Orlando Brown signing was a great kupdeta
Speaker 2: for them.
Speaker 3: I see Joe Mixon now still on the roster, Lyle
Speaker 3: Collins still on the roster, Joanah Williams still on the roster.
Speaker 3: I think if the draft had falled fallen different, they
Speaker 3: would take a tight end. But Kinkaid goes early. They
Speaker 3: probably felt that that spot, like they're a premium position
Speaker 3: type of team, like we're going to take the positions
Speaker 3: that end up costing a lot of money in free agency,
Speaker 3: and we're going to take them high in the draft.
Speaker 3: And so you take Miles Murphy, who's very similar to
Speaker 3: Hubbard and Hendrickson and replaces him, and then you take
Speaker 3: dej Turner. I kind of love it's weird that they
Speaker 3: went defense, defense, defense, but I do kind of love
Speaker 3: that they're very Eagles like to me, and that they're
Speaker 3: almost always planning a year out. They're always back drafting
Speaker 3: for backups for guys that don't need to play right
Speaker 3: away and then step into it. And they have a
Speaker 3: really good history of like when they do step in,
Speaker 3: that they're really good players and that they play a lot.
Speaker 3: So it's a team that I think isn't as need
Speaker 3: focused and is thinking long term, and they've kind of
Speaker 3: deserved the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know what would have happened, but I
Speaker 1: do wish we would have found out if Jamior Gibbs
Speaker 1: was still on the on the clock when the Bengals picked.
Speaker 3: Supposedly the Jets were maybe going to take him at fifteen,
Speaker 3: which I don't know if I buy either, and the
Speaker 3: pay would not have been happy with who knows, but.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like Gibbs when he goes off the board
Speaker 1: and surprises everyone at twelve, that takes both of the
Speaker 1: top quote unquote running backs in the class out of
Speaker 1: the mix. They do go take Chase Brown in the
Speaker 1: fifth round on Saturday. And you know the Joe Mixon situation.
Speaker 1: You've heard so many comments about him from the team,
Speaker 1: and you know he's facing criminal charges right now. But
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor got behind him a little bit after the draft.
Speaker 1: His future is here with the team. I like Joe Mixon,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to now operate under the assumption that
Speaker 1: they're going to move forward with him. Does he have
Speaker 1: a suspension coming? Is he still a good running back?
Speaker 1: He took a step back last year. I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. I'm cool with them focusing on defense.
Speaker 2: Sy Dj Turner, Oh, she's already feeling ill and she's
Speaker 2: just been shot by two darts that hit their target.
Speaker 1: That is not Yeah, that's the immune system takes another hit,
Speaker 1: all right. The Baltimore Ravens hey Man good times in
Speaker 1: the Ravens. Nest Lamar is paid, he's healthy right now.
Speaker 1: He's surrounded by the best skill position talent he's ever had,
Speaker 1: you have Beckham. You know, an opinions vary on what
Speaker 1: Beckham's going to give you at this point in his
Speaker 1: career with off his second ACL, but it's exciting. It's
Speaker 1: an exciting signing. Rashad Bateman, Zay Flowers coming off the
Speaker 1: board immediately, that's legitimately frisky Trio wide receivers. Mark Andrews
Speaker 1: remains one of the best playmakers at tight end in football.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like and don't underestimate Lamar Jackson with
Speaker 1: a new contract that's all kind of out like from
Speaker 1: the all the dark clouds that that brought with it.
Speaker 1: Do we get like MVP level Lamar Jackson back this
Speaker 1: year because he's been hurt of the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: At times his play has not been as high a level,
Speaker 1: certainly as it was in nineteen one of the the MVP.
Speaker 1: Is he going to get back to that or will
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen ultimately be a bit of an outlier When
Speaker 1: looking about at what he can.
Speaker 2: Produce, I think, like, obviously it comes down to being there,
Speaker 2: being present, because his lack of presence, his lack of durability,
Speaker 2: took him out of that conversation and took the Ravens
Speaker 2: out of the conversation in January as a serious contender.
Speaker 2: I mean, for me, there were moments last season trying
Speaker 2: to think it was the I think it was the
Speaker 2: Monday night game against the Saints where he made a
Speaker 2: couple throws where it's like, this guy can do everything,
Speaker 2: and like the way you have to plan form is insane,
Speaker 2: and you've added Zay Flowers to add it. If you
Speaker 2: get the good version of Odell Beckham, they're giving him
Speaker 2: a chance, I think, to thrive through the air and
Speaker 2: to do what he does on the ground, and you
Speaker 2: got all the contract nonsense out of the way, So
Speaker 2: you'd hope the head is clear, because I think it's
Speaker 2: fair to question, like did he push as hard as
Speaker 2: he could to play at the end of last year.
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that, but sort of
Speaker 2: what everyone's talking about that doesn't happen this time around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's had really weird seasons of the last two seas.
Speaker 3: I mean twenty twenty one, he looked like an MVP
Speaker 3: for five weeks then kind of goes off a cliff,
Speaker 3: gets hurt. Last year similar where it was like a
Speaker 3: really fast start and then again kind of the injuries
Speaker 3: in the play. I mean, it's a huge sea change
Speaker 3: to have Todd Monk and the excuses are out. There's
Speaker 3: no Greg Roman, there's receivers this team. There's too many
Speaker 3: teams in the AFC that are going to be disappointed
Speaker 3: because they feel like almost a super Bowler bus team
Speaker 3: because everything's loaded. Their front seven on defense isn't amazing.
Speaker 3: But other than that, man, they are like kind of
Speaker 3: loaded for bear as much. And I'm excited that Greg
Speaker 3: Roman is not there and they have a different coordinator.
Speaker 5: Lamar is in good shape for this year, like adding
Speaker 5: Odell Beckham but then adding Zay Flowers, who can do
Speaker 5: a lot of different things on the field. You can
Speaker 5: play him out of the slot, you can line them
Speaker 5: up outside too, and like I mean, he's he's so good.
Speaker 5: That's a great addition to that passing game. I was
Speaker 5: really surprised that DaCosta. We didn't see him like moving
Speaker 5: around at all either, Like usually we see him making
Speaker 5: trades and being involved in some of these like more
Speaker 5: splashy things. And I guess the splashy thing was getting
Speaker 5: Lamar signed.
Speaker 3: They didn't give a Patrick Queen a fifth your option
Speaker 3: by the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they declined that when was the Lamart has to
Speaker 1: take a poop game.
Speaker 4: End of two years ago, that that was.
Speaker 1: The last time whatever put down the trank. That was
Speaker 1: the last time that that he felt like a superstar
Speaker 1: when he had a taken poop and he came out
Speaker 1: and shredded the Browns in that great back and forth game.
Speaker 1: That's the guy I want back. And in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: it looks like.
Speaker 3: About that Dolphins game that was like fifty one, wasn't
Speaker 3: that crazy? Last year? In Week two that was you know,
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, that's right, same game, back and forth.
Speaker 3: But you're right, it's been hit and miss hit miss.
Speaker 1: All right up next, you.
Speaker 3: Know, we should have used the time out. Also, it
Speaker 3: wasn't surprising Patrick Queen didn't get a fifth year option.
Speaker 3: I misspoke, like he's kind of been on the outs.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh Steelers Greg Rosenthal, all Right.
Speaker 3: My question is just as Matt Canada and Kenny Pickett
Speaker 3: up to the challenge, Like that's my big question because
Speaker 3: it's another team that I really like their draft, I
Speaker 3: like their offseason. I think they've added enough on their
Speaker 3: offensive line with BROGERC. Jones, and they also had a
Speaker 3: quiet move in free agency Isaac Saamalo, who's a good
Speaker 3: pickup at guard. So like they have receivers, they have
Speaker 3: the running backs. I think the offensive line is better.
Speaker 3: But they kept Matt Canada and like Kenny Pickett was
Speaker 3: a good rookie quarterback. I think he beat lowish expectations.
Speaker 3: But the harder part is like, okay, you're you were
Speaker 3: a decent rookie quarterback. Can you take that year or
Speaker 3: two leap? Like if Matt Canada and Pickett are up
Speaker 3: to the challenge, this is a fun little team.
Speaker 2: We were pretty tough on Canada last year early on,
Speaker 2: and you know, if you look back, he struggled with
Speaker 2: a late career Ben Roethlisberger who was breaking down, and
Speaker 2: then you had a rookie quarterback and you had Mitch
Speaker 2: Trubisky and it was just like, not a great situation.
Speaker 2: The offense took a while to grow, but by the
Speaker 2: end of the year, I thought the whole thing looked
Speaker 2: a lot better and I kind of stopped thinking about
Speaker 2: Matt Canada the same way. But you know, handling the
Speaker 2: a young career, like the young career of a quarter
Speaker 2: is so important that if he looks if he stands
Speaker 2: out is not creative enough or not really capable enough.
Speaker 2: I think he's got one year. Matt Canada topproved that
Speaker 2: he can make this offense basically sing.
Speaker 5: I think that we could see Kenny Pickett make that
Speaker 5: jump this year. We saw from him flashes of what
Speaker 5: he can potentially do, especially with George Pickens making incredible catches.
Speaker 5: I don't know what Alan Robinson has left and how
Speaker 5: he'll look on this offense, but I mean, I just
Speaker 5: remember being in Pittsburgh for that Christmas Eve game and
Speaker 5: watching at the very end when I mean, obviously Derek
Speaker 5: Carr helped them out with some of those interceptions, but
Speaker 5: watching Kenny Pickett make that play Pickett to Pickens, I
Speaker 5: believe it was and the whole place just erupted, and
Speaker 5: it was the frank O Harris game, and it just
Speaker 5: felt like they finally started to kind of get some
Speaker 5: of that momentum late in the season.
Speaker 4: And then their draft I like too.
Speaker 5: I like Broderick Jones adding tackle there, and then of
Speaker 5: course Joey Porter Junior, who was like the most exciting
Speaker 5: guy to be mocked to them all off season long.
Speaker 1: They really are moving forward. Of course, it's been a
Speaker 1: couple of years now, but it really does start. They've
Speaker 1: now rebooted post Big Ben. They've used their last three
Speaker 1: first round picks on offensive players. It was Naj Harris,
Speaker 1: then the quarterback picket now Broderick Jones and I agree.
Speaker 1: This is you know, Pickett entering his second season. You're
Speaker 1: gonna want to see growth there, and I think there
Speaker 1: he's set up better than he was last year.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's like stands out to me.
Speaker 1: I'm down.
Speaker 2: Like the good teams now they rebuild in one season.
Speaker 2: There is no three yearly four year rebuild like the
Speaker 2: good teams turn it around to go through transformation one
Speaker 2: year and that's what the Steelers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why, like Daniel Jones was an outlier in
Speaker 1: that sense. Usually it's your quarterback after two years track
Speaker 1: me does feel good? Up next? You might have to
Speaker 1: up the power of the trank because you've tranked this
Speaker 1: so many times. Justin that is.
Speaker 4: Can I get one? Can I get in on that?
Speaker 4: Can I get a hit of that track?
Speaker 2: Thanks? Yeah, I think I've been like exceedingly obedient and
Speaker 2: I've been tranked. I think not once You've been a
Speaker 2: good boy, Mark.
Speaker 1: I think that caught you in the eye, right in
Speaker 1: the eye. Put the patch on them up next, Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2: I feel like nobody's uh talking about the Browns, and
Speaker 2: it's like I even think I just like kind of
Speaker 2: write them off as a seven win team for a
Speaker 2: lot of reasons that are I think a little bit
Speaker 2: unfair because, if anything, when I look at the roster,
Speaker 2: I don't think there's enough pressure on the Browns right
Speaker 2: now because they have a win now offense. Like just
Speaker 2: look at the names you got, Nick Chubb, David Nijoku,
Speaker 2: Amari Cooper. If Elijah Moore works out, Donovan People's Jones,
Speaker 2: I really like Cedric t. Hillman, their third round wide
Speaker 2: receiver David Bell might work out. Their offensive line is
Speaker 2: still good, and imagine if like Deshaun Watson is a
Speaker 2: little bit better. And I think on defense, which was
Speaker 2: a huge issue Jim Schwartz took over, I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna be their issue was coaching. I love that upgrade there.
Speaker 2: They got better in the middle. And it's like, I'm
Speaker 2: not calling them a Super Bowl contender, but how is
Speaker 2: really anything less than a wild card berth anything but
Speaker 2: a complete flaming disaster for Kevin Stefanski. The roster is
Speaker 2: better than people realize.
Speaker 3: I hear you, but there's like only so much trum.
Speaker 3: But I kind of agree that if they were in
Speaker 3: the AFC South, I would make them the favorites. They
Speaker 3: were in the NFC South, they would make them the
Speaker 3: favorites a couple other divisions, like they'd be co favorites,
Speaker 3: like the NFC North or something, But they're stuck in
Speaker 3: this division. They're stuck in the AFC where some teams
Speaker 3: are going to get disappointed. I think it's fair, though,
Speaker 3: to look at that roster and they addressed their biggest
Speaker 3: problems this offseason and say, like, they don't really have
Speaker 3: huge problems other than Deshaun Watson stunk last year. If
Speaker 3: he gets back to being a top ten quarterback, which
Speaker 3: is a huge if, but then they could be rolling.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And the fact that they went so defensive heavy in
Speaker 5: the top with the draft here, I mean, what Andrew
Speaker 5: Barry had in this draft, what he had to work with,
Speaker 5: was not that much, but I thought that the picks
Speaker 5: were really solid with what he did, and then adding
Speaker 5: a guy on the edge and adding a defensive tackle
Speaker 5: and inside linebacker, they needed more guys in the middle
Speaker 5: that could actually stop the run, that could actually make
Speaker 5: a difference on that defensive line.
Speaker 4: So I liked what they did.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be reductive about this, but and
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the Browns during Power Rank. He's
Speaker 1: like they're laying in the weeds a little bit in
Speaker 1: my opinion, because if Watson is a limited quarterback at
Speaker 1: this point, yeah, they're done. They're not just done this year,
Speaker 1: They're done for multiple years. And that was part of
Speaker 1: the gamble of the contract they gave Watson. But if
Speaker 1: Watson does come back and have his game back, they
Speaker 1: can absolutely hang in this division and in my opinion,
Speaker 1: any division, because he was that good before everything went
Speaker 1: sideways in his life. So I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's one of the big if we look at maybe
Speaker 1: we'll do it later in the summer. Like the big
Speaker 1: questions of the twenty twenty three NFL season, who is
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson? That is to me one of the biggest
Speaker 1: because it defines it's a huge question mark in the
Speaker 1: whole conference. For me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, like I mean, his performance over six games,
Speaker 2: it's not like, I guess, super surprising, but it leaves
Speaker 2: you completely mystified about who he is. That's part of
Speaker 2: the last thing he wanted as a sample sizes. We
Speaker 2: have no idea who he is right now.
Speaker 1: If he lights up, if he lights up the league
Speaker 1: in September six, you know, the Browns are legitimately dangerous three.
Speaker 1: But we just don't know if that guy's coming back.
Speaker 4: We haven't seen him in a while.
Speaker 1: That's his fault, not ours. Let's take a break and
Speaker 1: then we will hit the AFC South. All right, welcome back.
Speaker 1: We are going around the AFC in forty eight minutes,
Speaker 1: three minutes a team, and we now moved to the
Speaker 1: suddenly interesting or I could say intriguing AFC South. Mark
Speaker 1: get us going with the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from like a DVA angle. They finished last year
Speaker 2: with the ninth best offense and if you look at
Speaker 2: if you break it down to over like the final
Speaker 2: six weeks or so, they were like the third best
Speaker 2: passing attack in the league. And so obviously Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 2: made about as big of a leap of any quarterback
Speaker 2: not named Jalen Hurts. It went perfectly for them down
Speaker 2: the stretch, and they gave the Chiefs a fight in
Speaker 2: January and there's really nothing not to like, and they've
Speaker 2: added Calvin Ridley to the mix. So I guess what
Speaker 2: I would ask you is like, are you buying the
Speaker 2: Jaguars as the NFL's next consistently awesome passing attack slash
Speaker 2: offense or do you think, like you know what, there
Speaker 2: might be a sneaky regression here that people aren't ready
Speaker 2: to deal with. And I guess, you know, I just say,
Speaker 2: if you can smell, like what the rock is cooking,
Speaker 2: what does it smell like to you?
Speaker 1: Caught me off balance of that one.
Speaker 2: Well, she just came to mind, like, I mean, what's
Speaker 2: happening here? Like they're back there cooking something up, and
Speaker 2: it's like everyone's assuming it's going to be next step up.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's a lock?
Speaker 3: Are you a big rock fan? Are you?
Speaker 4: I didn't notice about Mark.
Speaker 2: Super multi talented. I wasn't. I mean, I know that
Speaker 2: was his sort of tagline. I didn't track that his
Speaker 2: career as a wrestler overly heavy because I don't watch wrestling.
Speaker 3: But I'm a little anxious.
Speaker 1: Let's get back in the track.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a little anxious. Just if I'm smelling something
Speaker 3: like it smells. It smells. It smells good, but it's
Speaker 3: not the spiciest thing in the world. I'm a little
Speaker 3: anxious that, like all the rookies they signed this year,
Speaker 3: they're not projected to necessarily start. They kind of just
Speaker 3: stood on what their team was a year ago. They
Speaker 3: made so much improvement and they spent so much money
Speaker 3: a year ago that they sort of didn't have to
Speaker 3: and these things go in cycle. They couldn't. They need
Speaker 3: improvement from within. I'm more concerned about the defense, So
Speaker 3: I guess to answer your question, I think it's more
Speaker 3: likely that their offense stays quite good, uh, and that
Speaker 3: there's not much regression there. I'm a little more worried
Speaker 3: about the defense. They need Devin Lloyd, Treyvon Walkers.
Speaker 5: About it, yeah, better, Like especially when you have Cam Robinson,
Speaker 5: who he's going to face that suspension at the beginning
Speaker 5: of the year. But they drafted Anton Harrison, who is
Speaker 5: probably going to have to be play right away in
Speaker 5: that situation.
Speaker 4: But he was really really good.
Speaker 5: He allowed just one sack over the past two seasons.
Speaker 5: So I think that this offense is just going to
Speaker 5: grow and get better based on what they did last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what the flavor of the offense
Speaker 1: is going to be. I think the flavor of their
Speaker 1: draft is like a potato salad served at a barbecue
Speaker 1: in Orlando. It Yeah, it's it's maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: a lot of mayo in it. But Trevor Lawrence is
Speaker 1: spicy as f and the rock can smell that cooking.
Speaker 1: And I think he is going to continue to go
Speaker 1: up in ability and production. I think he could be
Speaker 1: an MVP this year.
Speaker 4: So with Calvin Ridley, Calvin Ridley on Christian Kirk together. Yeah, wow.
Speaker 1: The Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 3: Greg Rosenthal, Okay, I was looking at this team, They're
Speaker 3: not more interesting, Like they're the one team in the
Speaker 3: AFC South. That's just making me wonder are they just
Speaker 3: boring or are they bad and boring? And my instinct
Speaker 3: would be they're probably more just boring. They aren't necessarily
Speaker 3: that bad. You look at their defense, it's actually, you know,
Speaker 3: very similar, if not better to the defensive roster they
Speaker 3: had when they were the one seed in the AFC.
Speaker 3: They're going to get a lot healthier this year. Like
Speaker 3: it's a good front seven and especially the defensive line
Speaker 3: in a good defensive backfield if Tannehill's there, Yeah, they
Speaker 3: have no one at wide receiver. But I think they
Speaker 3: can reasonably expect that they're going to coach this team
Speaker 3: up because they found a way to win games, and
Speaker 3: like they might just be boring, but I'm not sure
Speaker 3: that they're necessarily going to be that bad. They just
Speaker 3: fit right in with the rest of the AFC South too,
Speaker 3: if they traded Tannehill, which I feel like there's a
Speaker 3: bigger chance. Still, people recognize than all bets are off.
Speaker 5: They're wide receivers are trailing burks and you have Nick Westbrook,
Speaker 5: A Kine and Kyle Phillips. I mean, this is a
Speaker 5: rough wide receiver group. Like I feel like we can't
Speaker 5: just brush that aside. I don't know, I don't really
Speaker 5: have a ton of confidence in them. And then I mean,
Speaker 5: thank god they have Derrick Henry there, but it's not
Speaker 5: like they have any great tight ends either on this roster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm with you, where it's like they
Speaker 2: they we can't brush off the wide receiver situation. They
Speaker 2: seemed to be willing to do that. There was no
Speaker 2: ability to go trade for anyone, draft anyone, and it
Speaker 2: leaves like Will Levis if he ends up starting. If
Speaker 2: they do move Tannehill at some point, like in a
Speaker 2: rough spot for a rookie quarterback, I think, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: you'll have Derek Henry, but I'm not totally sold that
Speaker 2: Derek Henry's on this roster. If they're not way to
Speaker 2: sell him at a point where you can sell high, I.
Speaker 1: Think I'm just curious how they're gonna play this. They
Speaker 1: obviously didn't value Levis enough to take him in the
Speaker 1: first round, but they valued him enough to trade up
Speaker 1: and get him in the second round. And if this
Speaker 1: team is what pretty much everybody thinks they'll be, let's say,
Speaker 1: even being somewhat kind, let's say they're four and four
Speaker 1: in October, they're five and seven heading into November, Like,
Speaker 1: at what point do you pull the ripcord if you
Speaker 1: have Ryan Tannehill as starter and go look at Will Levis,
Speaker 1: Because if you're going to keep Tannehill around and you're
Speaker 1: gonna keep Dereck Henry around, that tells me you think
Speaker 1: you could still compete and be a playoff team. So
Speaker 1: that all makes sense to start the season with him,
Speaker 1: But at what point do you have to pivot and
Speaker 1: start spinning forward.
Speaker 3: They're hoping. I think the coaching staff changes things. You know,
Speaker 3: he brought in Tim Kelly, who was with him in Houston.
Speaker 3: Maybe the most important guy in the roster or on
Speaker 3: the staff is Jason Hutling. That's their new offensive line coach.
Speaker 3: Their offensive line has been so bad, and they added
Speaker 3: a couple pieces like Scronsky. But if you can get
Speaker 3: good offensive line coaching, you can get a lot better.
Speaker 3: They did six picks all on offense, so it's not
Speaker 3: like they ignored their offense. It was an all offense
Speaker 3: draft line.
Speaker 5: When does will Lovis come in? Do we believe in Willlvis?
Speaker 5: What is his role going to be?
Speaker 4: That's my biggest question.
Speaker 3: Dan took the time out.
Speaker 1: See I had to save Colleen from a dart to
Speaker 1: the jugular.
Speaker 4: I know, thank you.
Speaker 2: I feel like you guys want That's what I was
Speaker 2: to land in your body. That's what I keep that
Speaker 2: from you.
Speaker 4: I would love a dart right here.
Speaker 1: That is also I had, I had, I had laid
Speaker 1: that out as well previously. Colleen, like, what is the
Speaker 1: plan with tan Hill? And when does the quarterback enter
Speaker 1: the equation? They're in? They're in an in between period.
Speaker 1: By the way, justin how weird is it to be
Speaker 1: Malik Willis now you are a third round pick of
Speaker 1: a prior regime and it just seems like he is
Speaker 1: basically floating throughout her space without a helmet on. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't think Milik Willis as long for the Titans,
Speaker 6: probably end of training camp type of cut, unless they
Speaker 6: decided to trace.
Speaker 3: Cut him.
Speaker 1: Definitely. People people sleep on how bizarre the end of
Speaker 1: the season was last year that they had this kid
Speaker 1: Willis that they brought in for Tannehill and then they
Speaker 1: were so out on him that they took Josh Dobbs
Speaker 1: off the street and what was essentially a playoff game
Speaker 1: like and then and then they draft a quarterback, but
Speaker 1: they didn't take them.
Speaker 3: They were out on Tannehill. They took him eighty sixth
Speaker 3: in the draft after like drafting four others.
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I don't think it's that weird.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that weird because John Robinson ejector
Speaker 2: seat out of there probably was his guy much more
Speaker 2: than Rabel's. Vrabel's comments on Malik Willis at the end
Speaker 2: of that year, when they opted for Josh Dobbs, who
Speaker 2: had like four days of practice with him told me
Speaker 2: all I needed to hear. Now they went and drafted
Speaker 2: someone else. Like the head coach who has buy in
Speaker 2: from the GM on this front has zero belief in
Speaker 2: Malik Willis, and Malik Willison his own play didn't give
Speaker 2: the fan much belief. And so I'm kind of with
Speaker 2: grave Digger, like there's a sneaky world where he doesn't
Speaker 2: make this roster.
Speaker 5: Wasn't Dobbs good in that game? By the way, Dobbs
Speaker 5: was like a Thursday night game. He came in that
Speaker 5: like was he.
Speaker 6: Did throw like a backbreaking interception, but like he was
Speaker 6: just trying to make a play. Malik Willis was one
Speaker 6: of the worst starting quarterbacks in the league last year.
Speaker 6: He completed like eight passes or something.
Speaker 1: It was horrible. Well my point, My point is he's
Speaker 1: a third round pick and then as a rookie and
Speaker 1: he has two bad games and everybody's like, all right,
Speaker 1: he sucks. I think, well, a lot of quarterbacks suck
Speaker 1: when they they're first learning the league. At this level,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not saying he was a third
Speaker 1: round pick. I understand, and it's a different GM now.
Speaker 1: I understand that, But the fact, if I'm Malik Willis,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like man, I thought I didn't really get
Speaker 1: a shot here and I'm already now done. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I think from Malik's perspective, not enough people do.
Speaker 6: They were trying to make the playoffs at the end
Speaker 6: of the year and they just didn't believe that he
Speaker 6: was ready to get it done. Maybe they think he
Speaker 6: needed off season of development. Maybe he'll be the quarterback
Speaker 6: two and Will Levis will be the QB one, and
Speaker 6: you ship Bryan Tannehill off or save him and trade
Speaker 6: him at the trade deadline. That's what I would do.
Speaker 3: Josh Dobbs, by the way, is now Deshaun Watson's backup hopefully.
Speaker 3: You know, if I'm Watson, you don't want to miss
Speaker 3: any games or your backup might look better than you.
Speaker 2: For the second streets, it's the beach each television time
Speaker 2: out here it is now.
Speaker 1: We have one time out remaining, okay, and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I have to call it, so just use it
Speaker 1: wisely though. Here we go the Houston Texans the old shuster.
Speaker 1: Do you, Connie, you think the Titans have issues a
Speaker 1: wide receiver? The Texans pull the trigger on CJ. Shroud
Speaker 1: at too, then trade a first round pick to move
Speaker 1: back up to take a defensive end, Will Anderson at three,
Speaker 1: and then the draft ends and you look at their
Speaker 1: depth chart and it's like what their number one wide
Speaker 1: receivers Robert Woods. Robert Woods looks shot last year in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: He had five hundred yards receiving. He is their number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver. They traded Brandon Cooks. The Dallas Cooks
Speaker 1: didn't want anything to do with that being there, So
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do there? But they have here's
Speaker 1: some names. This is what I'm gonna call a segment.
Speaker 1: The segment's called some names. Nathaniel Dell, Xavier Hutchinson, Nicocollins,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown, who they picked up at free agency. Like
Speaker 1: c J. Stroud is gonna struggle throwing in tight windows
Speaker 1: because there's gonna be nobody who opened many weeks this year.
Speaker 2: I do like Nico Collins. You're right, they're in the
Speaker 2: short supply there. But Tank Dell, I think is someone
Speaker 2: who has already said he's like got a chip on
Speaker 2: his shoulder and looked at every wide out that was
Speaker 2: taken over him, like there's someone to like there. I know, Daniel,
Speaker 2: you'll never buy into that concept. But it's just like
Speaker 2: it's in need. They had need. They also, like a
Speaker 2: year ago, had needs everywhere, and I honestly think the
Speaker 2: one thing they did is they went and got a
Speaker 2: coach who's gonna I think Tomico Ryans is like coach
Speaker 2: of the Year material because I think they could sneaky
Speaker 2: win eight or nine games somehow and like it would
Speaker 2: be a feel good story after three years of total
Speaker 2: shipwreck and disaster.
Speaker 5: I mean short term, this, I guess is good with CJ.
Speaker 5: Stroud because this team went through two seasons with Davis Mills.
Speaker 5: They've had four head coaches in the last three years.
Speaker 5: Like they needed stability at the head coaching spot and
Speaker 5: at the quarterback position, and they will hopefully get it
Speaker 5: with c J.
Speaker 4: Stroud.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm totally concerned that they don't have any wide
Speaker 5: receivers for him to throw to the offense. Last year
Speaker 5: was Damian Pierce and just like a bunch.
Speaker 4: Of dead weight on his shoulders.
Speaker 5: So they need to upgrade the passing game and they
Speaker 5: only really got that one main piece for it.
Speaker 4: So how do you do it?
Speaker 5: I don't know, Demiico Ryans and I guess the OC
Speaker 5: there needs to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Demico Ryans too. I'm just saying, like, have you set
Speaker 1: up your young quarterback for success? It's not?
Speaker 3: Well, No, I think it's like raising the question what
Speaker 3: do you build? How do you build around a quarterback?
Speaker 3: Bobby Slowick brings it that Shanahan system. They have a
Speaker 3: pretty good offensive line, they have a pretty good running game.
Speaker 3: They're hoping to have a good defense, like that's another
Speaker 3: way to do it. They're looking at it like I
Speaker 3: think the Patriots are a little like this, and the
Speaker 3: Titans are right now too. They're zigging while the rest
Speaker 3: of the league is zagging. At wide receiver. I at
Speaker 3: least like the Texans options a lot more than the Titans.
Speaker 3: I mean, Tankdell's kind of fun. Nego Collins could be fun.
Speaker 3: John Metchi was a second round pick. He had that
Speaker 3: cancer battle, but it sounds like he's going to play
Speaker 3: this year. Noah Brown was okay, like Robert Woods, You're right,
Speaker 3: is their wide receiver one? He might also be like
Speaker 3: their wide receiver four. I mean they have some names, they.
Speaker 2: Have some names.
Speaker 1: Somebody needs to emerge. I guess that's the point, because
Speaker 1: Woods should not be seen as the guy because he's
Speaker 1: just a guy.
Speaker 2: Well, we can't kill the Titans. I mean I can't
Speaker 2: kill the Titans. Then make a bunch of excuses for
Speaker 2: the Texans.
Speaker 4: That's fair.
Speaker 2: I refuse to do I'm just you know, I won't
Speaker 2: do it. No more excuses for the Texans. I just
Speaker 2: wanted that to happen.
Speaker 1: The Cults, Connie, the Colts.
Speaker 5: The top of this draft was so bonkers, with the
Speaker 5: Texans taking a quarterback at two, which everyone was thinking
Speaker 5: that they might take a defender, and then trading up
Speaker 5: then to take their defender and Will Anderson, and then
Speaker 5: having the Colts, who were picking four, take Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 5: That was one of the main questions about the draft
Speaker 5: was where Richardson would fall. And so now he goes
Speaker 5: to Indianapolis, which I was kind of surprised about because
Speaker 5: in so many of the mocks you would have guys
Speaker 5: talking about whether it would be Will Levis or Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 5: because Will Levis is supposed to be more pro.
Speaker 4: Ready, more of a day one guy.
Speaker 5: And now you have Anthony Richardson, where his ceiling is outrageous,
Speaker 5: like he has incredible traits, and you have Shane Stike
Speaker 5: and there the offensive coordinator who worked with Jalen Hurtz,
Speaker 5: and we saw the development that Jalen Hurts went through,
Speaker 5: So that gives me some optimism about this pairing in
Speaker 5: the future. But were you surprised that they didn't go
Speaker 5: Will Levis here? And is Jim Ursay actually crowdsourcing picks?
Speaker 5: Because I could not believe that Ersay tweeted out Colts fans,
Speaker 5: would you take Will Levis at two if you're on
Speaker 5: the board for the Bolts in four hours from now,
Speaker 5: go Montana and Young for franchise?
Speaker 4: What what is he doing? Somebody needs to take Twitter
Speaker 4: away from him.
Speaker 2: I mean he's he's like, yeah, I kind of enjoy him.
Speaker 2: I think he's like a pure wild card from me
Speaker 2: the NFL owner perspective, Ballard did say, and there was
Speaker 2: he he basically someone else came out of the record
Speaker 2: on the inside the building and said Ballard told me
Speaker 2: weeks ago that Anthony Richardson was the guy, and the
Speaker 2: reasoning was that all the quarterbacks for flawed viewed as flawed,
Speaker 2: But then why not then swing for the guy that
Speaker 2: could be like a massive home run versus Will Levis,
Speaker 2: who will see what he is. But I certainly think
Speaker 2: he'd be the safer pick. But I mean, the Colts
Speaker 2: love these big, powerful players at every position. I think
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson I can see why Ballard fell in love.
Speaker 2: He just got to get it right because he's He's
Speaker 2: swung and missed on like eight quarterbacks one minute.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: They love to run the ball. They have an offensive
Speaker 3: line where they've invested so much money poorly by the way,
Speaker 3: But Quentin Nelson's still there, Braden Smith is still there.
Speaker 3: They're still good. Ryan Kelly's making a lot of money
Speaker 3: at center. I want them to sign some more veterans.
Speaker 3: But they love to run the ball, and I know
Speaker 3: Steichen loves to run the ball, and I think they
Speaker 3: have the players to do it. And so you look
Speaker 3: at Richardson versus Levice that way, and that's a nice
Speaker 3: baseline to start with everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the what's the general vibe about the Colts
Speaker 1: offensive line? Is that was that a blip last year
Speaker 1: where everything went wrong Murphy's law? Or is that a
Speaker 1: group that's now should be seen as questionable.
Speaker 3: I think they're questionable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is. It will be a new
Speaker 2: coaching staff that maybe an improved one. But I typically,
Speaker 2: like when an offensive line completely breaks down over like
Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen, sixteen games, I don't predict them to come
Speaker 2: roaring back seven, six, five.
Speaker 4: I thought two three when it was Michael pivan or
Speaker 4: last week.
Speaker 5: Passing game and the passing concepts that were being installed, and.
Speaker 1: Dam it was like when when there was like the
Speaker 1: countdown was at four and Collie is like, you know,
Speaker 1: I was also thinking. I was like, she's doomed.
Speaker 4: Where is the countdown? Where do you guys see the countdown?
Speaker 3: Oh you're hearing it in your ears? That explains to
Speaker 3: explains a lot.
Speaker 4: Man, I am really I'm playing hurt guys.
Speaker 1: You're grinder. There's one more division to go, Connie, Yeah,
Speaker 1: here we go. And you know, also not for nothing
Speaker 1: that the Sixers beat the Celtics in Game one.
Speaker 5: Without Oh my god, you see James Harden's alpha It
Speaker 5: was so if you want.
Speaker 1: To use a time out just to dunk on Greg
Speaker 1: and his favorite team, I would not have an issue
Speaker 1: with it. Just out there.
Speaker 4: I can't dunk on anyone right now.
Speaker 3: Connie, when when I when we hear the ten seconds
Speaker 3: and if you're watching and you can check out us
Speaker 3: out on YouTube. You know, for this great action, I'll
Speaker 3: give you a signal. I'll give you. This is the signal.
Speaker 3: I hold my hands up. When we get the ten seconds,
Speaker 3: that's it. Hurt me. I don't like getting hurt.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break and when you're at back Weird Show.
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. We have one more division. We
Speaker 1: have to get Colleen to an urgent care, so we're
Speaker 1: gonna wrap this thing up. Connie, we were stunned to learn,
Speaker 1: despite us all having the same audio feed, that you
Speaker 1: have not been hearing a countdown clock at all. Do
Speaker 1: you want to justin play her the countdown so she
Speaker 1: just can hear it. Maybe it's just something she's been
Speaker 1: filtering out.
Speaker 4: I think that's the case.
Speaker 6: Oh I could, but we'd have to wait three minutes
Speaker 6: for it to get to the end of the clock.
Speaker 4: It's okay, I can do it, guys. I'm ready. All right,
Speaker 4: this is the division, and.
Speaker 1: Greg is going to give you a verbal warning or
Speaker 1: some type of visual. I also will give you your
Speaker 1: heads up.
Speaker 4: You know, right here.
Speaker 3: He's holding a sign that says, Connie, stop talking.
Speaker 4: This is this is why I love you, guys. This
Speaker 4: is why this works.
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, we're here, we go, we move into
Speaker 1: the AFC West and yes it is Colleen Wilf kicking
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, So Kansas City Chiefs quick story. In Kansas City,
Speaker 5: I'm talking to Heidi Gardner, who is on SNL.
Speaker 4: She's a huge Chiefs fan, and.
Speaker 5: They have me interviewing her in front of everyone at
Speaker 5: the draft lover too, and I figure she's got a
Speaker 5: great personality, so I'm going to like throw this out
Speaker 5: to her. And so I was like, why did Kansas
Speaker 5: City have to win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4: And why did they have to beat the Eagles? And
Speaker 4: it just like did not go as I had planned
Speaker 4: in my mind in my head.
Speaker 5: So I've been really working my way back since that moment.
Speaker 5: But I did really enjoy what Kansas City did here.
Speaker 5: Felix Enadique Uzama, this was so it was such a
Speaker 5: fun pick next to the Cowboys and the coach drafting
Speaker 5: his son. This was one of the heartwarming moments of
Speaker 5: Round one because Felix is from Kansas City. He grew
Speaker 5: up a Chiefs fan, like he went to their training camps,
Speaker 5: and now he gets to join this team that is
Speaker 5: celebrating a Super Bowl was still celebrating at the draft,
Speaker 5: and it's an obvious need for them too.
Speaker 4: With Frank Clark being cut. He's had nineteen and.
Speaker 5: A half sacks over the past two seasons. I think
Speaker 5: that really helps their pass rush and will that equate
Speaker 5: to another Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Yang?
Speaker 3: I mix, I feel like you left us on the
Speaker 3: ledge there. What did what happened with Gardner?
Speaker 2: She has a little dig into the awkwardness.
Speaker 4: It was so awkward. It was very awkward.
Speaker 5: It was not as funny as I wanted it to be.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if it was funny at all,
Speaker 5: and I like really wanted a trapdoor to just like
Speaker 5: kind of into but.
Speaker 2: She was despite being on SNL. Does she lack a
Speaker 2: sense of humor in person or No?
Speaker 5: No, she she is great and she is sweet and
Speaker 5: she is funny. But I just don't think I set
Speaker 5: set it up properly because.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was the head cold at.
Speaker 3: The time that you're an Eagles fan too, so that
Speaker 3: that could be.
Speaker 1: Something I did say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I said that I'm an Eagles fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also maybe you were looking for that little
Speaker 1: sass back and forth with the crowd in the Kansas
Speaker 1: City folk. They're nice Midwesterners. It's not like a.
Speaker 4: Philly crowd so nice. Every time I tried to ras them,
Speaker 4: it just like never landed.
Speaker 1: I think Heidi Gardner is a great talent on SNL.
Speaker 1: My wife has met her too and said she's delightful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think she's the best actor on SNL. She
Speaker 1: really watched this, watch her and any of those sketches.
Speaker 1: She's like blowing everyone away in terms of.
Speaker 4: And in shrinking. If you guys have started that, that's
Speaker 4: a great series.
Speaker 1: But the Chiefs, the chief Sounds is gonna be mad,
Speaker 1: Greg say something about the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: Racy Rice is a fun uh second round pick, just
Speaker 3: because he's a receiver that's going to be catching balls
Speaker 3: from Patrick Mahomes. We heard a lot about Zay Flowers
Speaker 3: maybe going there, that they tried to trade up but
Speaker 3: it was too expensive. He has going to have a
Speaker 3: chance Rice to step in right away because I think
Speaker 3: sky Moore was a little bit of a loss.
Speaker 2: I think you need to douse the roster with the
Speaker 2: waterfall of like barbituates to not make the super Bowl again.
Speaker 2: I think I'd see them winning two or three over
Speaker 2: the next five years.
Speaker 4: That so should I open up a new topic.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, I totally didn't give you your signal.
Speaker 2: No one signaled culling.
Speaker 4: No I know, I heard.
Speaker 1: One hundred and three catches and twelve hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: yards and seven touchdowns went out the door with Mikole
Speaker 1: Hardman and Juju Smith Schuster. So Roshie, Rice Sky Moore,
Speaker 1: Canarius Tony they gotta, they gotta do it mvs. Wow,
Speaker 1: you just think they're just gonna roll like a dynasty
Speaker 1: is gonna keep rolling.
Speaker 2: Mark, It's the only team that I'd point to right
Speaker 2: now where I just believe that they can have an
Speaker 2: imperfect season. Then you get the most heroic quarterback run
Speaker 2: by Mahomes that I can remember, and they a year ago,
Speaker 2: we're like, oh, can they handle the transition? So yes
Speaker 2: they can, and yes they can thrive, and yes they
Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl. They'll do it again.
Speaker 4: But also, does anything change the enemy being gone?
Speaker 1: Who whoa whoa whoa Hey, Steph kirk Hey, Steph kurr.
Speaker 1: We don't have a time out, we're out.
Speaker 3: What happens now.
Speaker 1: The universe swallows itself.
Speaker 3: We just that's what happens. We don't respect the trink anymore.
Speaker 3: It's disappointing. They're bringing back Dereck McKinnon, by the way,
Speaker 3: that are they.
Speaker 1: And they declined the fifty year option on Clyde Edwards Hlaire.
Speaker 1: So whatever, all right, let's move on to the Denver Broncos. Hey,
Speaker 1: So listen, in some ways they've they've done well here
Speaker 1: in terms of trying to salvage this Russell Wilson thing.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton entered the building. They spent a bunch of
Speaker 1: money on the offensive line after he got sacked I
Speaker 1: think fifty five times last year. It wasn't all the
Speaker 1: offensive lines fault, by the way, but it's worth noting.
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, though, what's going on with their running
Speaker 1: back situation. This is the worst running back situation in
Speaker 1: the league right now. And I don't know if anyone's close.
Speaker 1: They have Sama jp Ryan, okay, but he's never had
Speaker 1: more than ninety five carries in his life. He's fine,
Speaker 1: just a guy. Javonte Williams. They're hoping that he plays
Speaker 1: this year at some point, but he had one of
Speaker 1: those knee injuries, like the tour multiple ligaments type knee
Speaker 1: injuries that you just don't know if he's ever going
Speaker 1: to be able to really come back, or if the
Speaker 1: next year is a total washout. I just wonder like
Speaker 1: they're gonna want to run the ball a lot to
Speaker 1: help protect themselves from Russell Wilson, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if they can the way the roster is set up
Speaker 1: right now, unless p Ryan is way better than we're anticipating,
Speaker 1: or at least.
Speaker 3: I am he's solid. He's a solid back in Javontay
Speaker 3: Williams is exciting.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. They don't even know when
Speaker 1: Javonte Williams is coming back.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair. This is a team full of like
Speaker 3: kind of backup choices. Sean Payton was quietly their fourth
Speaker 3: choice at quarter at head coach. They wanted Damiico Ryans,
Speaker 3: they wanted Jim Harbaugh, they wanted Dan Quinn. It's weird.
Speaker 3: It's a weird thing sitting over them. And then I
Speaker 3: look at their roster and like, other than Russell Wilson,
Speaker 3: I think they've set themselves up pretty nicely. They're oh
Speaker 3: deep at wide receiver. I do think Courtland Sutton and
Speaker 3: or or Jerry Judy could still get moved, but they
Speaker 3: picked up the fifth year option on Judy.
Speaker 2: I think, to your question, Dan, like maybe they feel
Speaker 2: better about DeVante behind the scenes to not make a move,
Speaker 2: Like maybe they have a better track on where his
Speaker 2: recovery is. I mean, if he's healthy. I kind of
Speaker 2: like their backfield because I think p Ryan is a
Speaker 2: classic Sean Payton like pass catching guy that he's always
Speaker 2: had in his career that you can use in a
Speaker 2: certain way. I don't like him as the lead loan back,
Speaker 2: but little I wonder if someone like mark ingram is
Speaker 2: a free agent who has a long history with Sean Payton,
Speaker 2: could wind up there for part of the season if
Speaker 2: you need to get DeVante healthy.
Speaker 5: God, I really hope that Javante is healthy, because when
Speaker 5: he's healthy, he's so good.
Speaker 4: His contact balance it's one minute, guys, one minutes left,
Speaker 4: I got it.
Speaker 5: His contact balance is insane, Like he is such an
Speaker 5: exciting player to watch.
Speaker 4: He just bounces off of people.
Speaker 5: And then they also have Tim Patrick coming back, who
Speaker 5: didn't even get a chance to have his big breakout season,
Speaker 5: which I thought he was going to have last year,
Speaker 5: so they have him, which almost feels like an extra
Speaker 5: pick coming into this pass catching room.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think that all of the additions that they are
Speaker 5: spending the big money on the offensive line. That also
Speaker 5: helps out too, protecting Russell Wilson. Like you mentioned off
Speaker 5: the top there, Dan So, I don't feel as pessimistic
Speaker 5: about the Broncos.
Speaker 3: Second round pick on Marvin Min's too. They're loaded, They're
Speaker 3: they're very deep.
Speaker 2: They were loaded a year ago.
Speaker 1: How long is the leash on Wilson?
Speaker 2: Eight games?
Speaker 1: Up? Next is the Las Vegas Raiders with Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's here's a hot take. Jimmy Garoppolo's weapons are
Speaker 3: as good in Las Vegas as they were in San Francisco.
Speaker 3: Let's go through that.
Speaker 1: What what what?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: All right? Number one receiver, you got Debo versus DeVante Adams.
Speaker 3: Big win for Devontae Adams. Number two receiver you got
Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers versus Ayuk. I'm giving that to Ayuk. Slot
Speaker 3: receiver whoever the forty nine Ers throw out versus Hunter Renfro.
Speaker 3: Given that to Renfro. Tight end you got George Kittle
Speaker 3: and a good backup versus Michael Mayer. I love that.
Speaker 3: Michael Mayer picking Austin Hooper. I'm giving that to San Francisco.
Speaker 3: But with mayor there At least, it's not like as
Speaker 3: big a blow as it would have been. We're split now,
Speaker 3: we're going to running back whoever. They're thrown out in
Speaker 3: San Francisco. It's Josh Jacobs versus against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: I'm giving it to Jacobs. That's a nice group. Now,
Speaker 3: Shanahan is definitely greater than McDaniels. The offensive lines both
Speaker 3: have questions, but it just in terms of weapons around
Speaker 3: Jimmy g He's got some nice, nice weapons.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you mentioned the coaching situation because my
Speaker 2: biggest issue is, like, wait and see on a Josh
Speaker 2: McDaniels thriving as a play caller outside of New England
Speaker 2: historically that's not happened at all, but be getting through
Speaker 2: a season without controversy surrounding one of his own players.
Speaker 2: He doesn't seem to get along with his own players
Speaker 2: that well. And also, come on, I like this from
Speaker 2: Graver in the chat here, Christian McCaffrey not better than
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 3: Okay, that was probably true. They'll give it a slight
Speaker 3: are competitive. These are competitive, but that's not as spicy
Speaker 3: a take.
Speaker 1: But your your point is also well made solidly made
Speaker 1: Greg that he is not inheriting a much lesser situation.
Speaker 1: We'll say, I mean, you kind of got a need
Speaker 1: Mayer to hit the ground running a little bit. I
Speaker 1: think in he certainly could. And Jacobs listen, he didn't
Speaker 1: get his option picked up before last year. Is he
Speaker 1: gonna be able to have another season like last year
Speaker 1: that felt like a career best season? And then the
Speaker 1: health of Garoppolo hangs over everything, and they they still
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of depth behind him. So I
Speaker 1: think they're one of those teams where everything breaks well
Speaker 1: there and they could be a wild card team. But
Speaker 1: I don't I love the Raiders right now.
Speaker 3: I don't now they're the Raiders.
Speaker 5: Are just hard to love though, Like I feel like
Speaker 5: it's hard to trust the Raiders every year. I even
Speaker 5: when their roster looks good, I don't end up loving
Speaker 5: them because of the way that they end up playing.
Speaker 5: And a lot of that was Derek Carr. But I
Speaker 5: was even surprised during the draft that they didn't take
Speaker 5: Christian Gonzales who was still there, and you know, they
Speaker 5: went with Tyree Wilson, who was still really good.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're looking like they're trying to get into
Speaker 3: scorefest like that. They'll be all offense, and I apologize
Speaker 3: to Christian McCaffrey. I would definitely take them over Josh Jacobson.
Speaker 3: That was great, and the offensive line. I'm surprised they
Speaker 3: didn't do anything there all off season.
Speaker 1: Good news, Connie. We have one more, right, the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Chargers with Mark Sessler.
Speaker 2: Well, the Chargers, I think they absolutely needed to add
Speaker 2: a weapon on offense, and they did it with Quinton Johnson.
Speaker 2: It's one of these guys I just cannot wait to
Speaker 2: see how he fits there. And you know the athletic
Speaker 2: essentially mentioned Daniel Popper does a great job with them.
Speaker 2: Said essentially, at this point, they really just need like
Speaker 2: a blocking tight end, a cornerback, a safety, which they
Speaker 2: you know, they did a nice job last offseason after
Speaker 2: the drafts showing up some weaknesses. So if they do
Speaker 2: all that again, I think we're back in this world
Speaker 2: where you look at the Chargers on paper and they're
Speaker 2: one of the better rosters league wide. I can't think
Speaker 2: of another like entity in the NFL like this team
Speaker 2: because you've got essentially premium talent all over the place.
Speaker 2: Check top flight quarterback, check new offensive coordinator after we
Speaker 2: were all complaining about the old one. They've done that,
Speaker 2: and despite all of it, I'm not does anyone here
Speaker 2: trust them to win fights with the Chiefs, the Bills,
Speaker 2: the Bengals, or even the Jaguars. Like I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is like a sneaky Super Bowl team or
Speaker 2: just another expedition into nothingness, which it feels like the
Speaker 2: Chargers due to us every year.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is al Michaels's fault and
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee's, but like, has any game been memory hold
Speaker 1: more than the Chargers losing a twenty seven nothing lead
Speaker 1: in a playoff game like that happened, I still can't
Speaker 1: pull it. And if there's maybe inside that building that's
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of a mental warfare and shrapnel
Speaker 1: to deal with connected to that loss. But I think
Speaker 1: that's why everyone is Basically this is the first offseason
Speaker 1: in a couple of years where you don't feel a
Speaker 1: lot of like excitement from the outside about what the
Speaker 1: Chargers can be. But like Connie, like when you do
Speaker 1: with the way Mark set that up there, there is
Speaker 1: plenty of reasons to be juiced about them, But this
Speaker 1: is a team that blew with twenty seven nothing lead
Speaker 1: in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: It's hard to forget that because it happened still recently too.
Speaker 5: But this could be a team that's also lying in
Speaker 5: the weeds because it's the Chargers and people doubt them
Speaker 5: so often because of their history. But I found it
Speaker 5: really interesting with their draft that they passed on a
Speaker 5: running back. They didn't take any so at this point,
Speaker 5: I guess that means that Austin Eckler will not be
Speaker 5: traded and they're gonna go forward with him.
Speaker 3: Well, not only that, they answered very directly after the draft,
Speaker 3: did anyone call about Eckler? And they're like, nope, we
Speaker 3: didn't receive this single call. He's gonna be there. Why
Speaker 3: are you laughing, Donnie?
Speaker 1: It was a little worried about you during that answer.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm really worried about me right now. Just
Speaker 4: landing any type of plane is difficult to say.
Speaker 2: See teams, though, at least Connie.
Speaker 1: Can I say the charge and Chargers fans that might
Speaker 1: be annoyed with surfacing that playoff loss. There's only one
Speaker 1: way to blow a twenty seven nothing lead in a
Speaker 1: playoff game. It's to have a twenty seven nothing lead
Speaker 1: in a playoff game, so obviously there's a lot there
Speaker 1: to build on, but you got to get some of
Speaker 1: that scar tissue out of there and move forward.
Speaker 2: I'd also just say, remember why Mike Williams wasn't in
Speaker 2: that game because they put meaningless starters or starters out
Speaker 2: in a meaningless game the week before.
Speaker 1: Well, they got the head coach out of there fresh start,
Speaker 1: so oh wait, no, poor brand I was like.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I'm much worse than I feel right now.
Speaker 3: He's still there, no two winning seasons. I feel like
Speaker 3: no coach who had back to back winning seasons taking
Speaker 3: over has endured more ridiculous ways to lose in criticism
Speaker 3: than Brandon Staley. I mean, mostly it's his fault.
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy, baby, but you're right, they think they.
Speaker 7: Need to get to the second round of the playoffs
Speaker 7: for him to have a job. After everything, I mean,
Speaker 7: it's over. There's no tranks now. By the way, the
Speaker 7: Bills signed Poona Ford today, who was one of the
Speaker 7: highest people ranked left on my top one oh one
Speaker 7: free agency. It is now sign a free Agenciason again
Speaker 7: because you don't have to pay the compensatory picks.
Speaker 3: Jerrick McKinnon got signed, so there's some decent players out there.
Speaker 3: As of yesterday, there were sixteen guys still left from
Speaker 3: the top one O one. Now it's fifteen.
Speaker 1: Connie said it all. You fought through it. We're going
Speaker 1: to give you the final word.
Speaker 5: I just want to say that I did not like
Speaker 5: I was not looking for sympathy.
Speaker 4: I just didn't actually think I was going to be
Speaker 4: like this.
Speaker 5: I thought that i'd be a little bit better off
Speaker 5: for this show, and then moments before the show started,
Speaker 5: I realized that this could go sideways. So appreciate you
Speaker 5: guys dealing with me.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you. It's been fun. Let's hang out
Speaker 4: again when I am healthy.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, tell Gandha to come back from his walk.
Speaker 1: We'll be back on Thursday with the great Patrick Clayband
Speaker 1: and we'll hit the NFC in forty eight minutes. Thank
Speaker 1: you everybody for listening. Until then, you know what you
Speaker 1: got to do. Go to the hospital. Heed the call
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