1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 2: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, We got him. 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: The FBI identified twenty two year old Tyler Robinson as 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: their suspect and the killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Robinson has been arrested on suspicion of murder and weapons offenses. 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: On the evening of September eleventh, a family member of 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: the Washington County Sheriff's office with information that Robinson had 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident. 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: Kirk was fatally shot Wednesday during an event at Utah 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: Valley University. 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 3: Tyler Robinson is twenty two years old, and as far 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: as we understand, he had expressed that he was no 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: fan of Charlie Kirk. 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Senior National security reporter Miles Miller. 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: He didn't like his ideology. He told this to family 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: members during a dinner recast and knew that he was 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 3: coming to Utah and that is all part of the investigation. 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 3: Much of what he did he talked about in a 20 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 3: discord server with friends, and his roommate shared that information 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: with law enforcement, where he hit the gun, how he 22 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 3: fled this investigation. Now we'll focus on how much of 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: that is true, If he was self radicalized, if he 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: had any support to do this, where he got the gun. 25 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: There's still so much we don't know. 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 4: Over the last forty hours, I have been as angry 27 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 4: as I have ever been, as sad as I have 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 4: ever been. 29 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: During the FBI press conference, Utah Governor Spencer Cox warned 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: those watching and listening against further violence. 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 4: History will dictate if this is a turning point for 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 4: our country, but every single one of us gets to 33 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 4: choose right now. If this is a turning point for 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 4: us to make decisions, we have our agency, and I 35 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:11,279 Speaker 4: desperately call on every American Republican, Democrat, liberal, progressive, conservative, maga, 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 4: all of us to please please please. 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: Follow what Charlie tuppy. 38 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: I still believe that there is more. 39 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: Good among us than evil. 40 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 4: And I still believe that we can change the course 41 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 4: of history. I'm hopeful because Americans can make it so. 42 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Holder, and this is the big take from 43 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 1: Bloomberg News today. On the show The Latest on the 44 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: assassination of Charlie Kirk, Miles Miller covers national security for Bloomberg. 45 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: He's been closely following law enforcement's investigation into the killing 46 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk and he reports that, according to a 47 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: person with knowledge of the investigation, Robinson's father recognized him 48 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: as the suspect and the photos released by police and 49 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: confronted him, and. 50 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: His father says, you look a lot like that guy 51 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 3: in the photo. Were you responsible for this? He says, yes, 52 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 3: I was. Then he says, you need to turn yourself in. 53 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: I'm going to call our youth pastor at our church. 54 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: The youth pastor just happens to be a task force officer, 55 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: which is a local cop who is assigned to a 56 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 3: federal task force, the one that actually is looking for him. 57 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: He calls a deputy, a deputy calls the FBI, and 58 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: they bring him in. He makes statements, and they arrest him. 59 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: Parallel to that happening, the FBI is doing their own 60 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: investigation into trying to figure out who this person is. 61 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: And so once they did get some information about him, 62 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: then they were able to piece together and confirm things. 63 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: So one thing is that the person who jumped from 64 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: that roof had a Dodge challenger. Okay, this person that 65 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: we know have in custody, we confirm has a Dodge Challenger, 66 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: same person. One thing that's really interesting is that the 67 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: FBI got about eleven thousand leads, and just because this 68 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: person is in custody does not mean those leads go away. 69 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: They'll continue to track all of it down because you 70 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: have to figure out if anybody gave material support, who 71 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: gave him the gun, how he planned this, and was 72 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 3: anybody else involved. 73 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: And Tyler Robinson has been taken in as the suspect, 74 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: But what evidence has been shared with the public so 75 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: far that links this man with this The car that. 76 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: Was used as part of the getaway, the fact that 77 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 3: he on discord says I had this gun in the 78 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: drop point that's where police found the gun believed to 79 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: be used in this incident, the fact that he had 80 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: said that he inscribed bullets. All of those things are 81 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 3: going to be crucial. But the most easy thing that 82 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 3: links him to all this is that he's wearing the 83 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 3: same clothes, wearing the same exact clothes that police said 84 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: he was wearing in surveillance video when he jumped from 85 00:04:59,040 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: that roof. 86 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,799 Speaker 1: If we're going to be passing through all those details 87 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: in the coming days and over the weekend. But I 88 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: want to talk about those inscriptions on the casings. What 89 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: can you tell us about those? 90 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the inscriptions talked about fascism. Another one 91 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 3: was Belichow, which was used in Italy and it was 92 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 3: linked to fascist anti fascist movements. Another one was a 93 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: reference to the furry community. 94 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: These are very online references, it seems. 95 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: Like, very much so, and so part of our reporting 96 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 3: today is to figure out how online he was. In 97 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: our initial searches, you know, we're not seeing a lot 98 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: of his public profile being meme driven and all that 99 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: kind of stuff, but it'll take sort of that background knowledge. 100 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: Usually twenty four hours after any incident, we get some 101 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 3: of his non public social media platforms and then get 102 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: to like parse through that. Oftentimes they'll highlight in incidents 103 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 3: like this, any posts that are germane to trying to 104 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 3: piece together the ideology that thinking behind all of this. 105 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: More on the next steps of the investigation. When we come. 106 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 5: Back, I hope you'll permit me a moment just to 107 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 5: share a few more thoughts about. 108 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 4: Where we are and how we got here. Social media 109 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 4: is a cancer on our society right now, and I 110 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 4: would encourage again, I would encourage people to log off, turnoff, 111 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 4: touch grass, hug a family member, go out and do 112 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 4: good in your community. 113 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: On Friday morning, Utah's Republican Governor Spencer Cox spoke at 114 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: a press conference updating the public on the status of 115 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: the investigation and his thoughts on the last thirty six hours. 116 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 4: I absolutely believe that this is a watershed in American history. Yes, 117 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 4: the question is what kind of watershed and that chapter 118 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 4: remains to be written. Is this the end of a 119 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 4: dark chapter in our history? We're in the beginning. 120 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: I watched the press conference this morning. After the updates 121 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: on the investigation, Governor Spencer Cox went back to the 122 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: podium to share some remarks about what he thinks the 123 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: shooting means, how he's making sense of it. What was 124 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: his message. 125 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Governor's message was that, like, everybody needs to 126 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: calm down the rhetoric one and you know, I think 127 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: making a very online message, which is to get offline 128 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: and touch grass. 129 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: He literally said touch grass. 130 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 3: I was surprised by that because I feel like those 131 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 3: are not exactly the words of the right, So it 132 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 3: was very interesting to hear that. But to call for 133 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: toning down of the rhetoric because it's so different from 134 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: what the President spoke about when he was on Fox Today. 135 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: But the one thing that was really interesting that the 136 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: Governor said in Thursday's press conference was that our adversaries, 137 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: China and Russia are using this incident to try to 138 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: incite the right against the left. 139 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: And is there evidence of that? 140 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: You know, I have not seen it, but I'm wondering 141 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: if in the intelligence reports that come out there is 142 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: actual evidence of that. 143 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: What can we say about the role of the FBI 144 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: in this investigation so far, because there's been a lot 145 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: of different information coming out over the past few days. 146 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: The FBI announced they had apprehended someone, then released them. 147 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: How typical is this process for an FBI investigation. 148 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 3: I cover Cash Bettel pretty closely. I talk with his 149 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: office pretty much daily. I think you can knock him 150 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: for those two tweets announcing that someone was in custody. 151 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: He's trying to be a more modern FBI director. And so, 152 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: you know, getting out and being more transparent about when 153 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: they have information was the goal, but that was not 154 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 3: the outcome. You know, I spoke with the White House 155 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: today about it. They, you know, have all the support 156 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: for him. 157 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: And what do you make of those eleven thousand leads 158 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: that they're still parsing through. What might we learn in 159 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: the days ahead. 160 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: Somebody may have seen him at a gas station, which 161 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: is good because and it helps investigators figure out, okay, 162 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 3: was a credit card use? Whose credit card was it? 163 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: You have to track every lead down, some of them 164 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 3: and then probably the bulk of them are incorrect. You know, 165 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 3: I saw a lot on social media. Social media was 166 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 3: very involved, as you know, with this case, identifying people 167 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 3: who had nothing to do with this, or as people 168 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 3: that may be involved because of how they look and 169 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 3: all of that kind of stuff. And so the bulk 170 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 3: of it is that kind of stuff, the open source things. 171 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: But you know, when they do an appeal for information, 172 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: you always find something that you just weren't looking for. 173 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: And that's the reason why they don't let these leads 174 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: go just because they have a suspect. 175 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: Miles says. The shooting Wednesday is part of a marked 176 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: increase in political violence in the US, and it's got 177 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: authorities on high alert. 178 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: You know, and talking with the Secret Service and talking 179 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: with the FBI. It's something that they're tracking closely, and 180 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: you know, It's something that law enforcement around the country 181 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 3: is going to have to spend a lot of more 182 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 3: time and money worried about AOC comes to New York. 183 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 3: When Kamala Harris, now with no secret service, comes to 184 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: New York, she'll have to get lucky protection by NYPD 185 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: intelligence because they just don't want any problems on their watch. 186 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 3: Will that happen around the country, That's the thing that 187 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 3: you will have to look out for. 188 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: So are there conversations going on about increased security measures 189 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,359 Speaker 1: for political figures and politicians? 190 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Just look last night to Donald Trump 191 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: at the Yankee game with a big bulletproof barrier at 192 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: Yankee Stadium. That barrier didn't exist before, but it sure 193 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: does now. Let's look back to Butler, after Butler, than 194 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: anytime Trump was in public, the big barricade, And the 195 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: only reason they didn't have that is because it's so 196 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: heavy to carry around and you know, carrying these on 197 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: military planes. That is the new normal, at least for now, 198 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 3: until some of this sort of settles. 199 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: This is the big take from Bloomberg News. 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