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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: Edo State is that?

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Speaker 3: Whoa? Whoa?

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Speaker 2: And Dan and Tie Dan Robinstein, welcome back to the show,

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Speaker 2: my good friend. As people are listening to this, yeah,

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Speaker 2: to give too much away, you are actually not here.

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Speaker 2: Whoa time shift? You are not here. We're recording this

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Speaker 2: a few days in advance. You are spending some time

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Speaker 2: away from the home studio this week. Yeah, so this

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Speaker 2: episode and next episode I've been pre recorded according these

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Speaker 2: on the Friday before. Hopefully that doesn't give too much away,

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Speaker 2: doesn't ruin any of the mystique. We've got two great

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Speaker 2: episodes planned this week. On today's episode, or do in

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Speaker 2: our annual college football business update with our great friend

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Speaker 2: Matt Brown from Extra Points MB dot com. Never is

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Speaker 2: there a dull moment in the world of college football business.

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Speaker 2: I know it is not the preferred topic, certainly not

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Speaker 2: going on, we'd be remiss to at least not bring

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Speaker 2: this up. So Matt's gonna be here momentarily. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk through everything that's going on in and around

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Speaker 2: the world of college football business on today's show.

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Speaker 1: Oh I think, yeah, Look, everybody likes talking about football

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Speaker 1: nerd stuff, as you know, as often as humanly possible.

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Speaker 1: But no, I think this topic is fascinating. Obviously, with

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Speaker 1: the uncertainty surrounding literally every area of the business of

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Speaker 1: college sports, in college football, that to have somebody on

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Speaker 1: who does this day in and day out, I think

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Speaker 1: this episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what I say, it's not our favorite subject.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean it's not interesting. I'm very interested in

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Speaker 2: this stuff. But you know this because you read the

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Speaker 2: presenting something that is actually interesting and that people actually

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Speaker 2: like we're just doom scrolling college football, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: because there's also another side of the coin that again

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Speaker 2: people feel programs are being left behind, like it's all

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Speaker 2: that is the balance that we try to walk when

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Speaker 2: we talk about these subjects. I'm sure it is amplified

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Speaker 2: He just does a really good job of articulating these

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Speaker 2: dumb dumb. So that's why we bring it on every year,

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Speaker 2: not the least of which is he's one of our

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Speaker 2: here momentarily. We appreciate everybody stopping on Buy Solidverbal at

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Speaker 2: all right, Dan joining us Now we do it once

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Speaker 2: a year, we have the annual College Football Business Update.

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Speaker 2: We would think of no one better to invite on

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Speaker 2: that before we hit go on the recording here, the

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Speaker 2: singing the praises of Milwaukee, Wisconsin too Midwesterners talking shop.

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Speaker 1: I it's just called It's cream City, tie, It's it's great.

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Speaker 2: I'm envisioning like medieval times, but for cheese.

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Speaker 3: So you're seeing, on one hand, a movement of schools

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Speaker 2: and you've got a big picture of Virginia Tech. Now,

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Speaker 2: Virginia Tech has pledged two hundred and twenty nine million

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Speaker 2: But where I'm going with this, Matt, is, given what

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Speaker 2: I don't know if what I have read on like

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Speaker 2: the Politico website or wherever you get your news, is

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Speaker 2: anything that can actually influence it in a positive way.

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Speaker 2: What is your view on again, I hate to go

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Speaker 2: to the politics side of this, but we have to.

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Speaker 2: What is your view on how that side of this

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Speaker 2: conversation has evolved, let's say, over the last year.

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Speaker 3: I think it has changed meaningfully over the last year.

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Speaker 3: And part of the reason it's changed is because the

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Speaker 3: political coalition that's interested in kind of college sports reform

446
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Speaker 3: broadly is unique in that it's not completely partisan. There

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Speaker 3: are both Republicans and Democrats who look at the way

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Speaker 3: college sports is set up right now and think, boy,

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Speaker 3: this has some problems and we like to make some changes.

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Speaker 3: And they're actually several issues where there's don't say broad consensus,

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Speaker 3: but meaningful consensus. Right, there are a lot of lawmakers

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Speaker 3: in both parties, for example, that are deeply troubled about

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Speaker 3: the influence of prediction markets and new and widespread gambling,

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Speaker 3: on the welfare of college athletes, on the whether these

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Speaker 3: games are having points shaved or are being manipulated in

456
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Speaker 3: some way. I want to put that toothbaste back into tube.

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Speaker 3: That is a kind of bill that could potentially pass.

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Speaker 3: I'd also say that that with some exceptions, but there

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Speaker 3: is a narrow majority of people within both parties that

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Speaker 3: don't love unlimited transfers, that think that maybe some athlete

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Speaker 3: compensation stuff has gone too far, too quickly, and that

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Speaker 3: there's been some pushback on the beleaguered athletes. And I

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Speaker 3: want to say trope, but like, you know, kind of

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Speaker 3: framework that maybe was more popular before twenty twenty or

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Speaker 3: before the beginning of the ANIL here.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: The challenge though, is one, you know, Republican control of

468
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Speaker 3: the US House is just a razor razor thin margin,

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Speaker 3: and there's enough Republicans that are going to disagree with

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Speaker 3: almost anything. That's very hard for literally any kind of

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Speaker 3: bill to get through the House under the best of circumstances,

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Speaker 3: and we are not in the best of circumstances right now.

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Speaker 3: You have an executive branch that you know, we'll just

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Speaker 3: be honest. Is uh one that is not constrained by

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Speaker 3: tradition or a healthy respect for the judiciary, Like there's

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Speaker 3: this is a white house. I was willing to do

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Speaker 3: its own thing aggressively and also can get distracted by stuff.

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Speaker 3: It can be unpredictable, you know, for love the guy

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Speaker 3: or hate the guy. It's probably a secret how I feel.

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Speaker 3: But if you know, regardless, Trump's a hard guy to predict.

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Speaker 3: And it's a lot of it is based on who's

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Speaker 3: talking to him at that exact moment. So he might

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Speaker 3: say one thing and Tiger Woods talks to him in

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Speaker 3: two weeks and then think things are different. Would you

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Speaker 3: have an issue that doesn't fit into an innat camp

486
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Speaker 3: and there's nobody really super in charge of kind of

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Speaker 3: directing it, It's very difficult to get anything over the

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Speaker 3: finish line. There's the Score Act, which is the bill

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Speaker 3: that we've talked about last time I was on here.

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Speaker 3: You might see in the news a lot more. That

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Speaker 3: is the bill that is most friendly towards the NCAA's interests.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to become a law. It might eventually

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Speaker 3: get through the House. It's mostly supported by Republicans, and

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Speaker 3: the Republican leadership would like it to get through, but

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Speaker 3: there's a reason, and it hasn't come up for a

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Speaker 3: formal vote because they don't have the votes yet, and

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Speaker 3: they definitely don't have the votes in the US Senate.

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Speaker 3: So this is a long way of saying, like, I

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Speaker 3: think there is a legitimate pathway for some laws to happen,

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Speaker 3: Laws about taxation of athlete and il, laws about sports gambling,

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Speaker 3: laws about about reporting lots, about potentially agents and their

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Speaker 3: certification and where they have to go. But for something

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Speaker 3: that's going to provide more meaningful structure about the portal,

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Speaker 3: about athlete contracts, about tampering of those kind of things,

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Speaker 3: it's hard to see it. And it's hard to see

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Speaker 3: it when we kind of seem to be lurching from

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Speaker 3: global calamity or global event every ten days.

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Speaker 1: Right, is there one issue that is the if somebody

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Speaker 1: were to run on this issue in college sports, is

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Speaker 1: the most universally agreed upon thing that every party agrees

511
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Speaker 1: is something that needs to be addressed, Right, whether it's

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Speaker 1: employment of players, whether it's you know, portal stuff, whether

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Speaker 1: it's nil stuff like when reaching across the aisle, you

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Speaker 1: are likely to get the most bodies and raised hands

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Speaker 1: in support of this stance. What is that stance? What

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Speaker 1: is that position?

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Speaker 3: I think I think that the two positions where you

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Speaker 3: can get to sixty votes in the Senate would be

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Speaker 3: about we need to better regulate college athletic agents. We

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Speaker 3: need whether then the question is does that come through

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Speaker 3: the FCC? Is it come through the FTC? Like you know,

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Speaker 3: reasonable people can debate and figure that out, but like

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Speaker 3: the there isn't in my understanding from talking to people

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Speaker 3: like that is a bipartisan concern, and there's a bi

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Speaker 3: there are bipartisan concerns about how do we protect college

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Speaker 3: athletes from harassment and from overreach from gambling. I don't

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Speaker 3: think you can get You're not going to get sixty

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Speaker 3: votes the band sports gambling. But could you if you

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Speaker 3: had a skinny bill that was just about prop bets

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Speaker 3: or about trying to increase the regulatory teeth to protect

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Speaker 3: people who get death threats from missing a free throw. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think I think you can do that even with

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Speaker 3: all of the money that the DraftKings of the world

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Speaker 3: are invested in Congress. But anything about employment status of athletes,

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Speaker 3: about collective bargaining, about health care and UH and about

536
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Speaker 3: anti trust exemptions, those are very difficult political questions because

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Speaker 3: there is where you'll get pretty intense lobbying from specific

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Speaker 3: interest to fight that.

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Speaker 2: Matt, I want to go back just a second, because

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Speaker 2: if you've watched TV, if you have read sites like yours,

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Speaker 2: if you have, as Dan pointed out earlier, just been

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Speaker 2: cruising through your algorithm, you may have seen something about

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Speaker 2: the Score Act. It has been on the tip of

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Speaker 2: the college football tongue. Now for gosh, it feels like

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Speaker 2: a couple of years running. Yeah, what is that? Can

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Speaker 2: you explain that to our audience so that they have

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Speaker 2: a better understanding for what exactly that entails.

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Speaker 3: Sure, the Score Act, broadly speaking, would give the NCAA

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Speaker 3: an antitrust exemption to enforce its existing rules about athlete

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Speaker 3: comp So what that means is that, like you know,

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Speaker 3: outside of college sports, if you had, like all of

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Speaker 3: the restaurants in one city all get together at a

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Speaker 3: secret restaurant meeting and all decide that we're all going

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Speaker 3: to charge eleven dollars a slice for pizza. We're all

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Speaker 3: going to we're going to collude and set the price

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Speaker 3: on that. No one's we're going to create a pizza cartel,

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Speaker 3: and no one's going to sell pizza for under eleven

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Speaker 3: bucks of slices. That would be an anti trusting that

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Speaker 3: would be a violation of anti trust law. You are

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Speaker 3: you're colluding to break free market competition. And when the

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Speaker 3: NCUBA says right now, hey, you can't engage in a name,

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Speaker 3: image of likeness activity that exceeds how the CSC defines

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Speaker 3: fair market value, somebody will soe and say that's a

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Speaker 3: violation of the Sherman Anti Trust Act, and it is.

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Speaker 3: And in order for the NCUBA to still get together

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Speaker 3: a vote and say, yeah, but we have created a

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Speaker 3: salary cap, but now we need to enforce it. Unless

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Speaker 3: you're doing something legitimate, you need an exception from that

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Speaker 3: anti trust law. The reason that the pro sports are

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Speaker 3: able to do this with their salary caps is because

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Speaker 3: they've collectively bargained a CBA right And you can't do

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Speaker 3: that right now in college athletics because athletes are not

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Speaker 3: legally employees and there's no one to bargain with. There's

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Speaker 3: no players Association there's no union, so you don't get

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Speaker 3: a built in antitrust exemption that way. The Score Act says,

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Speaker 3: that's fine. Athletes can't be employees, regardless of whatever a

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Speaker 3: future NLRV judge might say. And we're going to let

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Speaker 3: the NCAA enforce the House Settlement and enforce some of

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Speaker 3: its existing rules. That's the most important general provision of it.

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Speaker 2: Is this why they hired Charlie Baker.

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Speaker 3: This is unquestionably one of the biggest reasons why I

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Speaker 3: hire Charlie Baker. Somebody who has experience in building relationships

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Speaker 3: with lawmakers in both parties, somebody who has a lot

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Speaker 3: of experience in professional associations and a complicated policy, and

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Speaker 3: someone that people enjoy being around a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: That was it, and it hasn't been successful so far,

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Speaker 3: even though the NCUBLEA and the SEC and the Big

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Speaker 3: ten have spent just gobs and gobs of money. But

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Speaker 3: the conversations with Baker are far far more receptive than

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Speaker 3: anything that Emmert was doing about antitrust.

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Speaker 2: All right, let me change gears a little bit here.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the Jersey Patch thing earlier, so this is

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Speaker 2: something that the NCAA approved. We are going to start

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Speaker 2: seeing some jersey patch situations. You noted that there are

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Speaker 2: a couple, there are many more in the queue. Not

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Speaker 2: to replay my previous question about whether this is all

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Speaker 2: worth it, I know there's obviously some money there that

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Speaker 2: institutions can pull in and use for whatever they seem

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Speaker 2: to think is appropriate. But what is the mechanism there?

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Speaker 2: And among the athletic departments that you speak with, are

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Speaker 2: they viewing this as like an exciting thing in any way,

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Speaker 2: shape or form. Are they viewing this just as like

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Speaker 2: another line item that they can use to boost budgets.

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Speaker 2: How do people think about this? And how aggressively are

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Speaker 2: they going after trying to put a patch on the jersey?

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Speaker 3: It's really aggressive almost everywhere, really, because that is the

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Speaker 3: the thing with the jersey patch that's that's honestly different

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Speaker 3: from selling something on the field, or an ad under

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Speaker 3: the scoreboard, or naming rights for something within the stadium.

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Speaker 3: One is that the amount of money you can get

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Speaker 3: for a jersey patch is usually a lot more than

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Speaker 3: those things. I think you could very credibly argue it

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Speaker 3: is better for you as a brand to have real

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Speaker 3: estate on a jersey, but it is to have real

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Speaker 3: estate on the twenty five yard line or the forty

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Speaker 3: yard line. Every every broadcast home or away, your brand's

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Speaker 3: going to be on there. Every time someone buys a

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Speaker 3: jersey at the bookstore, where's it to a tailgate? You're

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Speaker 3: gonna have brand exposure every highlight like you're gonna be

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Speaker 3: on TV a lot more than your ad is on

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Speaker 3: the on the football field. So even like at the

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Speaker 3: bottom end of FBS, your low level sun Belt CUSA

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Speaker 3: mac teams, the numbers that I'm hearing are like that

624
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Speaker 3: conversation typically starts around a million bucks, and at the

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Speaker 3: very high end of the Ohio States and Alabama's of

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Speaker 3: the world, it should be in the five six million

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Speaker 3: dollars range. And if you want to just get out

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Speaker 3: on a basketball jersey and like a the NEC or

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Speaker 3: the A Sun or something like that, starts at six figures.

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Speaker 3: Because I initially thought, like, I wonder if Extra Points

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Speaker 3: could like sponsor Western Illinois. Yeah, yeah, I made a

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Speaker 3: couple of phone calls. I'm but no, we can't, not

633
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Speaker 3: not yet, although although that would be fun and it's interesting,

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Speaker 3: right because I empathize with some fans who look at

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Speaker 3: this and think it sucks. This is where we're throwing

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Speaker 3: away one hundred years of tradition uh and and commodifying everything.

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Speaker 3: It makes me less exciting. I also understand that we've

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Speaker 3: been doing this for soccer for god knows how long

639
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: it's been around. It's already it's already a thing in

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Speaker 3: the NBA. And and I don't know if I enjoyed

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Speaker 3: the NBA. I don't know if I've ever looked at

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Speaker 3: an NBA jersey and thought like, because I see a

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Speaker 3: Motoroa patch on the bulls, gooodle for him. I like

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Speaker 3: the bulls less. It's it's generally not particularly obtrusive. The

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00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: we're exciting may or maybe the wrong word, but like,

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00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: where the big conversation is happening now is can we

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Speaker 3: find a patch partner that is additive in some way

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Speaker 3: versus just purely transactional and like as an example here,

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Speaker 3: like New Mexico State is the program that most recently

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Speaker 3: signed a jersey patch deal with the Inn of the

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Speaker 3: Mountain Gods Resort and Casino, which is I believe relatively

652
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 3: close to Las Crusis. And if you are a part

653
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: of that living in that area of New Mexico, like

654
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 3: that this place where you've taken your kids, and that

655
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: is a very new Mexico oriented you know brand. And

656
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: I have not heard anybody on social media. I heard

657
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: anybody at the school look at this negatively unless you

658
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: just really hate casinos and into the Mountain Gods is

659
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: about much more than just a casino. I think if

660
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: you were Texas State, as an example, and you had

661
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 3: an AGV patch, I don't think a lot of people

662
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 3: would really complain. Or somebody in Texas got a Bucky's

663
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: patch and like, no, that's how very Texas thing. I'm

664
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: excited about that. If it was Nationwide Insurance, if it

665
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: was you know, Drone company XYZ, if it was planets Here,

666
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: if it was a crypto exchange, I think people might

667
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 3: might look at it differently. You know, I'm an Ohio

668
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 3: State fan, like I know this isn't gonna happen, but like,

669
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 3: would I be really upset if there was a Wendy's

670
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: baconator patch. I'm like an Ohio State uniform, like a

671
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: United Dairy Farmers like little thing like they it's a

672
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: Columbus institution. That makes me feel good. If it's if

673
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: it's a if it's if it's a defense contractor or

674
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: another bank, you know, you know what I mean. And

675
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: that's kind of the push and pool here, because these

676
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: things are so expensive that a lot of the beloved

677
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: regional chains that fans often promote for these kind of

678
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: things are just not going to be able to afford.

679
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: Fair enough is I mean? Look, everybody's searching for money.

680
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: We've talked about this. You're searching for money via the patch.

681
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: Are there efforts at schools to find revenue sports that

682
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: traditionally have not been revenue sports?

683
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: Right?

684
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: They have existing brands on campus, right that like Nebraska

685
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: and Wisconsin can fill what a football stadium playing volleyball.

686
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: That's who played in that game?

687
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: I believe no Nebraskt did, but Wisconsin can play at

688
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: the Buck Sabrina.

689
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: It's all that same we are, right, there's there's a

690
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: there's regional huge sports, right you have the frozen four

691
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: type teams. I know these places are making efforts to

692
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: market and build out these sports. Are there a lot

693
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: of schools that feel like maybe there's a sport that's

694
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: untapped that their efforts haven't you know, really gone in

695
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: the direction of take your pick lacrosse or tennis or soccer.

696
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: That these are ignored sports relative to football or basketball

697
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: or baseball. When you look at you know, the sec

698
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: are are there renewed efforts like you know what, this

699
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: is actually like a really cool product in this part

700
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: of the country. Let's put some muscle behind take your

701
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: picksport or do too many places just look at it

702
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: as like a dollars and cents and you know, human

703
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: power thing that they're they're not able to do it.

704
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 3: I love this, And what I can tell you is

705
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: that there are certainly schools that I can think of

706
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: that have reached that conclusion and think about this less

707
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: as if we put some gasoline on this fire, it's

708
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: going to be revenue positive for us. That doesn't happen

709
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 3: so often. But there are ones that think we can

710
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: fill it. We can sell out the stadium, and we

711
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: can be really competitive here and build and build a

712
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: great experience. And I think a good example for this

713
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: would be softball. Duke and Clemson didn't have softball teams

714
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: at all a day ago. They both started programs and

715
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 3: now they both compete for hosting regionals. And I've covered

716
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: a softball game of Clemson before, and they can sell

717
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 3: the park out. And there's two thousand people there, and

718
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: now is that a revenue sport for Clemson in so

719
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: far as like men's basketball might be or no, like

720
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: men's men's soccer at Clemson can win national titles and

721
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 3: they'll tell me we'll still lose four million dollars, Like

722
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 3: there's not really a functional way to make men's soccer

723
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: at Carolina, at UCLA, Indiana Clemson like cash positive. That's okay,

724
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 3: You're I think you're seeing kind of two different trends.

725
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: There's one, are there ways that we can better market

726
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 3: and better like monetize some of our Olympic sports, women's volleyball, softball,

727
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: to a lesser extent, lacrosse. Those conversations are definitely happening. Ten.

728
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: When I was first starting my career on this beat,

729
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: there were schools that wouldn't ticket for women's basketball or

730
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: that wouldn't ticket for women's volleyball. That's not a thing anymore,

731
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: and people are schools are certainly making the investments to

732
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: ticket those things more efficiently. But generally, if you're trying

733
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 3: to make an investment, it's more for competitive reasons. And

734
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: you know, to bring this full circle, I think one

735
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 3: interesting storyline that we're going to begin to see this

736
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: offseason and especially in the next year, is what kind

737
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: of approach schools decide to take with women's flag football.

738
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: In this approach, which is on track to be a

739
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 3: varsity sport and Division one quite soon, there's the club

740
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 3: adaptations already strong. Nebraska is starting a program, lots of

741
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 3: mid majors are starting programs, and the vast majority of

742
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: those schools are starting programs for enrollment purposes. Right, let's

743
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 3: go play on a field that has three hundred seats.

744
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: Let's go play two flag football games over a weekend.

745
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 3: Let's try to get thirty more women full on your

746
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: payingful tuition on campus. But could you sell tickets to this?

747
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: Could this be something that generates meaningful audiences on ESPN Plus?

748
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: Could the NFL continue to throw money at this? Could

749
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 3: this be something that's different? Yeah, I think I think

750
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: that's entirely possible. And it really only takes two or

751
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: three schools saying we're going to really go all out

752
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: here and make this a party and make this an

753
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 3: interesting home field advantage kind of situation that will make

754
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: other people want to follow along. It'll be interesting. Will

755
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 3: that be Nebraska? Will it be UNC Asheville, Will it

756
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 3: be up Carolina? Upstate?

757
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: Who knows on that sort of same token? Is there

758
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: a type of revenue stream that people don't realize is

759
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: incredible for schools? Oh yeah, I kind I kind of

760
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: don't think it's like apparel. Apparel seems sort of flat

761
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: and you're just like, yeah, you go to the bookstore,

762
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: you go online, and you are but like, is there

763
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: a type of is it parking, is it booze?

764
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: What? What?

765
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: What type of thing? Would people potentially be surprised? Like, yeah,

766
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: this thing if it went away, it would be so

767
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: much more of a disaster than anybody would think.

768
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: No, you're right, it is an apparel for most schools. Actually,

769
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 3: they don't make any money from apparel, right, Like you

770
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: see a headline this is like, oh, Nike signed this

771
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: two hundred million dollar new deal with UNLV and then

772
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: ifoy with a contract and look at it and it's like,

773
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 3: oh and there's no cash.

774
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: Is also a lot of apparel kind of sucks, like

775
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of like stylistically pretty flat, creativity pretty flat,

776
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: Like there's you know, home Field, the types of brands

777
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: like that have tried and I think have done a

778
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: good thing, but like I don't know, apparel doesn't strike

779
00:41:58,920 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: me as a huge growth play.

780
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: It isn't and the profit margins are not great for

781
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: anybody there, right, Like no disrespect to our friends. Of course,

782
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: the homefield a pail would build a wonderful business, but

783
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: like you know, I can look at the licensing reports

784
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: and see that, like people, not that many schools are

785
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: getting rich off of home field licensing alone. Right, There's

786
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 3: always so many T shirts you could you could.

787
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: Sell the one.

788
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: The single biggest revenue item that I think people don't

789
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,479
Speaker 3: think about that much is what's called MMR or multi

790
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: media rights. Oh you hear multimedia rights. I think most

791
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: people would think, oh, that's that's that's your your television checks.

792
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: But that isn't true. Those those are your broadcast rights.

793
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 3: And for a power forward program, that's your most important check.

794
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 3: But if if you're in a mid major, especially in

795
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 3: the FCS, you don't get very much money from from television.

796
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: If you're in the Big West, you make enough money

797
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: to pay for your production and and that's about it.

798
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: Like that, that's that's not a boon. So your MMR

799
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: are your radio rights, they're your corporate sponsorship, they are

800
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: the signage in and around the stadium, and it's basically

801
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: everything that's not part of game day experience that that

802
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: gets sold. And for U, you know, a mid major institution,

803
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: you might get a four hundred, five hundred thousand dollars

804
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: a year check from lear Field. That's bigger than any

805
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 3: check that you get from from anything else or from playfly.

806
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: And this is an area where, if it went away

807
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: like that might be the single biggest income source for

808
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: a lot of Division one. And it's also the place

809
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 3: where most schools are pointing and saying, that's the place

810
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: where we can grow the revenue the most. We can't

811
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,959
Speaker 3: sell that many more tickets. We can't raise the ticket

812
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: price that much. We can only sell I mean, you

813
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 3: could you make a lot of money from beer, more

814
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: than you do from other concessions. But there's limitations of

815
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: what kind of spirits you can sell, not just from

816
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: the law, but like logistically, like you know, real quick,

817
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: I think you guys would appreciate. I remember when I

818
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: went to visit Camp Randall like summer and a half

819
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 3: ago Wisconsin. You know, it's right before they were selling

820
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 3: alcohol to the general Wisconsin fan base for the first time.

821
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 3: And I remember being floored by this because God blessed Wisconsin, Like,

822
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: this is a drug state. This is a state that

823
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 3: appreciates adult beverages. And the reason that they weren't selling

824
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 3: stuff and at the Badger Stadium before wasn't out of prudishness.

825
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 3: It was because the stadium is so fricking old. There's

826
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: no place to put taps, and there was no place

827
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: to put in more more bathrooms, and so the only

828
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: now the only stuff they can sell is in bottles. Right,

829
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 3: So you have a lot of these things to navigate.

830
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 3: And that's why sponsorships and corporate partnerships and and that

831
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 3: what we call this, like the incremental sponsorship revenue is

832
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: so so important, and that's what everybody is trying to

833
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: grow even more.

834
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: Is there?

835
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I like the Camp randal illusion here it

836
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: took Ty thirty minutes to get back from the bathroom

837
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: to his seat at Penn State.

838
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about that.

839
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: The stadium experience at a lot of places is not great.

840
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: It costs money to fix this. It costs money to

841
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: evaluate efficiency and bringing in contractors from overseas who we're like,

842
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: these are your choke points, and this is why you

843
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: have people who are upset at X, Y and Z.

844
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: Are there so many things on an AD's plate that

845
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: fan convenience and experience at these stadiums is just so

846
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: far down the list that it's just not going to

847
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: get appreciably better unless Steve Bomber comes in and is, like,

848
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: we need ten thousand toilets like he did with his

849
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: new arena and built it from scratch to be an

850
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: incredible place to see a game. Allegedly, I haven't been,

851
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: or are we just sort of doomed to you know,

852
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: ades have too many problems on their plates, and we'll

853
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: get to when we get to it.

854
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think we're doomed. And actually this

855
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: is kind of one of those those problems that you're

856
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: describing that I here discussed more and more. Right, Like,

857
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 3: an AD's job is not just hiring twelve coaches or whatever,

858
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: especially because probably for a different show, eighties do a

859
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: lot less than that than you might think, Like that's

860
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: way more presidential or search firm or booster driven. So

861
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 3: these kind of problems about we don't have enough bathrooms

862
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: or going to our game kind of sucks is a

863
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: major part of what ads talk about Danny White and

864
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: Tennessee talks about this all the time. This is something

865
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 3: I hear about in the eighties and in my phone

866
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Speaker 3: book all the time, and it was something that I

867
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Speaker 3: heard recently talking to folks at Saint Thomas in Minnesota

868
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: bring this up recently when they just built a beautiful

869
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: new basketball and hockey arena their Tully. Part of the

870
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: reason they did that is because, like, we're a pro

871
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Speaker 3: sports town, and so if people are used to one

872
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: level experience when they go see the Twins or the

873
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 3: Timberwolves and the Vikings, they will not accept a dramatically

874
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Speaker 3: worse experience for the Tommies, Like you don't want to

875
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 3: wait in line for forty five minutes to go get

876
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Speaker 3: eighteen dollars chicken wings. So that's something that you have

877
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: to fix. And when I talk to ads that I

878
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 3: would say are less traditional that came in from pro

879
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 3: sports or from private business or other places, and my

880
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: limited experience, I think those folks tend to be a

881
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 3: little bit more attuned to these issues. But this is

882
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 3: something that I think can get better and should get

883
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: better just about anywhere. If you spend maybe a little

884
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 3: bit less time worrying about lobby and Congress, you might

885
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 3: have more time to think about how many more places

886
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 3: in this facility can we sell stuff and have portable

887
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: bathrooms and have a better experience. Because you're right, and

888
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: this is part of why I try to go to

889
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: at least a couple of games a year without a credential,

890
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Speaker 3: to remind myself what this experience is like and see

891
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 3: it in other places. Because if it costs forty five

892
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Speaker 3: dollars to park and it's difficult to go get food

893
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 3: and difficult to go get sidelined, you can't complain about

894
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Speaker 3: not being able to sell tickets.

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Speaker 2: We're going to do this conversation in twenty twenty seven, Matt,

896
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Speaker 2: What are we going to be talking about?

897
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Speaker 3: Then? I think we're mostly the same stuff, right. I mean,

898
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Speaker 3: if you go back and we played the last couple

899
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Speaker 3: of episodes we've done together, we're still talking about anti trust,

900
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 3: We're still talking about athlete compensation, about the employment question,

901
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: I would be blown away, especially given where we are

902
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Speaker 3: in the election cycle and where we are with Congress

903
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: right now, if that gets changed or decided in a

904
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Speaker 3: meaningful way in the next six months, I don't think

905
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Speaker 3: we're going to be looking at an imminent P two breakaway,

906
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Speaker 3: or a super league or a private equity coming in

907
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 3: to buy the SEC or anything like. Most things are possible,

908
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 3: but I don't think that they're likely in the next

909
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Speaker 3: nine or ten months. You know, if we're lucky, maybe

910
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 3: next year. We're also talking about college baseball game or

911
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 3: different college basketball video games, or indie developments in college

912
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: football games beyond DA Sports, or something maybe a little

913
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Speaker 3: bit less catastrophic. But the major issues are the major

914
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Speaker 3: issues from the we had in twenty twenty one, and

915
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 3: if we're being honest, most of them are the same

916
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Speaker 3: things we've been talking about since the nineteen twenties. Just

917
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Speaker 3: the numbers have gone up.

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Speaker 2: His name is Matt brand now and you can find

919
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Speaker 2: us find work over at Extra Points with Matt Brown

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Speaker 2: extra Points mb dot com. I'm saving the best for last, Matt.

921
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Speaker 2: I know how hard you work on your site and

922
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Speaker 2: on this business. I'm I'm curious what all you are

923
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Speaker 2: working on now. Actually haven't talked to you about this recently,

924
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Speaker 2: so I'm curious. I'm asking more for myself maybe than

925
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Speaker 2: anybody else, But I feel like you're always working on

926
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: like a million things over there. As you have kind

927
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Speaker 2: of expanded your operations. So what is the state of

928
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: play for extra Points right now?

929
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: You know, this is a good reminder that I'll have

930
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Speaker 3: to share this link with you guys once once we're

931
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: done where I have spent just an enormous amount of

932
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: work over the last two and a half months. It's

933
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Speaker 3: been trying to completely redo our Extra Points library product.

934
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Speaker 3: The main the number one thing that pays my salary

935
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Speaker 3: and the salary of my employees and and you know,

936
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Speaker 3: buys Pokemon cards for my kids is the newsletter and

937
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 3: the subscriptions the newsletter and advertisements in the newsletter. But

938
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: we also have a data product where mostly schools but

939
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Speaker 3: also some newsrooms and some academics and some fans can

940
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Speaker 3: look up everyone's budget, everyone's contract, all these vendor agreements,

941
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Speaker 3: and schools use this for like benchmarking and to save money.

942
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Speaker 3: And we've had this product for about a year and

943
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Speaker 3: a half, and like we've rebuilt it to make it faster,

944
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Speaker 3: more intuitive. Uh you know this this I used the

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Speaker 3: new version to write the story we did by a

946
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Speaker 3: week and a half ago about Ben's basketball budgets that

947
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Speaker 3: made every Indiana fan so angry at me. But I

948
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Speaker 3: think some of the storytelling that we can do with

949
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Speaker 3: this new tool is so much better than before, and

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Speaker 3: I'm excited about that. We should be ready to release

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Speaker 3: it to the general public DEBTA testing now. We wanted

952
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Speaker 3: to be ready maybe two weeks and then. I'm also

953
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Speaker 3: interested in continuing to make and refine our games. Ever

954
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Speaker 3: so often people joke that you should put the Athletic

955
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Speaker 3: Director simulator in like the next EA Sports college football game,

956
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 3: and like, that'd be great. You know, I'd love to

957
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Speaker 3: be friends with the A Sports again and consultant and

958
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Speaker 3: build something for that. But if that never happens, we

959
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: have talked to other video game studios about like, hey, well,

960
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: how much money wuan to take and how can we

961
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 3: work together to make an out of the park baseball

962
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: but for college football? Yeah, or turn this into something

963
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Speaker 3: more sophisticated, because now I know enough like JavaScript to

964
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Speaker 3: be annoying, but not enough to be a triple A

965
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Speaker 3: video game developer or even a single A video game developer.

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Speaker 3: And this isn't a world that I know as well.

967
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Speaker 3: But yeah, because I'm not capable of just doing one

968
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Speaker 3: thing right, I'm trying to build something to help athletic

969
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 3: directors save money. Build something better that I think fans

970
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: will enjoin goofing off with in May and June when

971
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 3: we're writing for actual football to start back up again

972
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Speaker 3: and then hopefully keep writing stories that people want to read.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready for you to create the seediest possible recruiting game.

974
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about what exists within NC double or

975
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: excuse me, eaeA Sports is college football series right now.

976
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking about so much more detailed about like giving

977
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Speaker 1: options about how pushy to be at camps right how

978
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: weird to be with the recruits. Dad, I want you

979
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Speaker 1: to create the absolute most creepy recruiting game possible with

980
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Speaker 1: the worst possible graphics.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, honest to god, my like I think,

982
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Speaker 3: I think, like my my dream game project would be

983
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Speaker 3: to make like an early nineties Lucas sort of like

984
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Speaker 3: Sierra style point and Clicks game, and I, you know,

985
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 3: experiment with this a little bit in college. I think

986
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Speaker 3: what you're just describing as college football leisure suit, Larry,

987
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: but exactly what coach correct I'm in. I'm absolutely an

988
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Speaker 3: out low. If you're still alive, my email is Matt

989
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 3: at Extra Points MB dot com. I'll you pixel artists

990
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: out there what. I love to work on that this

991
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: summer instead of doing spreadsheets. Absolutely, I would love to

992
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 3: make a Michigan football coaching simulator. Leisure suit.

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00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: No, don't do that. Don't do that. Let's pick a

994
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: different school.

995
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Speaker 1: Do we call it leisure suit? Larry Scott, I don't know.

996
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: It's just an idea. It's just an idea. There are

997
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: no we're just whiteboarding guys, Laura. This is Larry Fedora. Yeah,

998
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: oh god, I'm trying to think of my other big

999
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: time college football Larry's and fitz Fitzgerald. I don't know.

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00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: But he's like we look at him in a positive way.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, so I don't I don't think.

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00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: No, he's just so Larry Scott, easy to spell, easy

1003
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Speaker 1: to remember, and.

1004
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: Nobody likes the guy. So nobody likes pretty much in

1005
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: the clear, Matt Brown, keep up the good work. We'll

1006
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: have to talk to you again sometime in the very

1007
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,479
Speaker 2: near future. But enjoy the off season whatever that looks

1008
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: like for you. Get some quality time up in Wisconsin

1009
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: whenever you can. And uh extra points MB For everybody

1010
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: out there who does not subscribe to Matt's fine work,

1011
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: go and sport them.

1012
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Speaker 1: This episode has been brought to you by Milwaukee's public investment.

1013
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Speaker 1: It's mostly mostly it's a curd based currency tie, but

1014
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Speaker 1: it's a pretty big deal.

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Speaker 3: Drink wisconsinly.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Ye, all right, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Matt Brown. Check out his fine work at extra points

1018
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: mb dot com. That is his newsletter, that is his business.

1019
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: Matt does an excellent job reporting out all things college

1020
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 2: football business. Dan, I would have been cool to just

1021
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: talk about Milwaukee. I have never been. I have heard

1022
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 2: great things about it, not just from you, but from

1023
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: some former colleagues of mine who sent both their kids

1024
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Speaker 2: to school in Wisconsin. So it seems to be a

1025
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Speaker 2: bit of a hidden gem that I have not yet

1026
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Speaker 2: to I'm not yet fully experienced.

1027
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the lineup for Summerfest twenty twenty six,

1028
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: which is a huge deal in Milwaukee. Okay, I think

1029
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: it's over. I don't know, a couple weeks of just

1030
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: like live festival concert situation after live festival concert situation.

1031
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: You got a lot of thie hit makers in here,

1032
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: but really you got Okay, So June twenty fifth, June

1033
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: twenty seventh. By the way, summer Fest twenty twenty six

1034
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: not a sponsor, could be could be absolutely, could be

1035
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: Ed Sheeran, the Roots, post Malone, You got Muse on

1036
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: July second to the fourth. I don't know you. You're

1037
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 1: probably a jelly roll guy. If you're not a jelly

1038
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: roll guy, Boom, there's Sean Paul right, shun the ball.

1039
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: He's ready for you.

1040
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: Sho.

1041
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: There's so much happening. You got buck Cherry in there.

1042
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: You've got then I do like the Mountain Goats. That's

1043
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: like a got goldfinger in there. Tye Old ninety seven's

1044
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: vertical Horizon. I know you're big with vertical horizon. Sure,

1045
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: echoing the Bunnyman. Oh my god, ty, there's so much

1046
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: happening at Summerfest twenty six.

1047
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: Is that in Milwaukee?

1048
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: That's in Milwaukee, That's what I'm saying. That's like their

1049
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: big summer concert festival thing. Garth Brooks is the headliner.

1050
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: Early June sixteen seventeen.

1051
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: Well, it only rivals music fests over here, because Third

1052
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 2: Eye Blind is coming back. They're here, Third Eye Blind,

1053
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: They're coming back into the twentieth I had no idea

1054
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: what to expect because there can considerably older than they

1055
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: were back when they were you know, much more a

1056
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: cultural phenomenon. That show was awesome for people of my age,

1057
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: I should say. And Yellow Card is coming here this

1058
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 2: year apparently still playing. My friends and I have all

1059
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: signed up for that one. So yeah, let's look forward

1060
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 2: to this summer. I'm like five lines deep, hold on,

1061
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 2: don't take that out. It settles.

1062
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: I'm like five lines deep into the first weekend, the

1063
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: first full weekend of summerfest here and I know bands.

1064
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: There is an Eagle here. Don Felder of Eagles Kid

1065
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: is playing and it's not the the Eagles, it's just Eagles.

1066
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Speaker 2: By the way.

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Speaker 1: I've heard of Red Jumpsuit Apparatus. I think they're like

1068
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: a one hit. We got modern English. I'll stop the

1069
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: world to melt with you. Tie, you know modern English.

1070
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Speaker 1: I've actually heard of post Sex Nachos because they're my

1071
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: favorite band name of twenty twenty five. Pretty good. That's

1072
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 1: Juliana theory. They go way back in the emo scene.

1073
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Speaker 1: There's a bunch here, Tie, there's just a bunch happening.

1074
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: I saw somebody else that you've heard of. The Academy

1075
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: is David Lee roth Sticks. This is all just in

1076
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 1: one weekend, Tie six.

1077
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Speaker 2: That was the first concert I was ever at really

1078
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Speaker 2: Rio Speedwagon and Sticks at the Bryce Jordan Center. Could

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Speaker 2: you go just a bunch of a bunch of friends.

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Speaker 1: Just like nine year old Tie getting down with sticks?

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Speaker 2: No, this was like nineteen year old Tie.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was your first concert at nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it would be eighteen. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 2: the fall of my freshman year.

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Speaker 1: Hanka's area is playing Bruce Springsteen covers at Summerfest with

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Speaker 1: the Easy Street Band. Okay, Geene Simmons Band, So it's

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Speaker 1: not kiss right. Is there a Baja Blast stage? That's

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Speaker 1: a great question. Probably not, but I can't for sure

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Speaker 1: say no. That was a big hit, you know on

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Speaker 1: our last stage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when we talked through who on the Baja Blast

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Speaker 2: stage would lure you away from your tailgate? Oh, that

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Speaker 2: was a very big deal. So we'll have to make

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Speaker 2: sure we pay homage at some point to the Baja

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Speaker 2: Blast stage and have that conversation again.

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Speaker 1: At what kind of concert? At what kind of festival?

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Speaker 1: Could you get both Sean Paul and All Time Low

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Speaker 1: and Mega Death and Spoon and Rev Run and the

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Speaker 1: Gin Bloss only in Wisconsin, Man only in Milwauller. A

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Speaker 1: whole tourism pitch dude, I'm not even done with this

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Speaker 1: weekend Soul Asylum, Spin Doctors, TI, there's I'm just I'm

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Speaker 1: talking myself into summerfest. I was gonna say I should

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Speaker 1: leave the room and let me say last, Milwaukee say last.

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Speaker 2: Let you work this out, all right? With all that

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Speaker 2: being said, Matt Brown go and check him out again.

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Speaker 2: Extra points NB dot com. He does a great job

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Speaker 2: support independent journalism and what Matt is doing, I know

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Speaker 2: we do. We would encourage everybody to make sure that

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Speaker 2: they do it as well.

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Speaker 1: We can you play the breaking news real quick? Can

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Speaker 1: you find breaking news as I vamp? I know you've

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Speaker 1: got breaking news somewhere there.

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Speaker 2: I have it here here.

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Speaker 1: Also that final weekend Baha men, we might get answers

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Speaker 1: about who, oh my god, the Baha men at the

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Speaker 1: Baja blast age. It's too good, all right?

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Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know where to go from here. We've

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Speaker 2: got an exciting episode planned for you on Thursday. It

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Speaker 2: is nine years in the making. I will not give

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Speaker 2: too much away. People on Patreon know where we are

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Speaker 2: going with this. Verbowlers dot com. Even if you are

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Speaker 2: not signed up as one of our paying members. If

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Speaker 2: you go and sign up as a free member, you

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Speaker 2: can see the direction that we are appointed. I am

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Speaker 2: excited about this. I think going into the weekend, it

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Speaker 2: gives us a nice little opportunity to explore the world

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Speaker 2: beyond college football, which is something we do not do

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Speaker 2: as often as I think you and I would like.

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Speaker 2: But a little bit of a different show coming up

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Speaker 2: later this week. Hope everybody enjoys it. For that guy

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Speaker 2: over there, Dan, for our honored guest Matt Brown, for myself,

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Speaker 2: Tie Held to Brand. Thank you as always for downloading

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Speaker 2: and supporting, Hit follow, hit subscribe. Until next time, stays solved. Peace,