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Speaker 1: and he's on that Andy Reid tree, which I kind

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Speaker 1: of like. I mean, people are always like, oh, he

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Speaker 1: always loses in the first round and all that, But

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think your quarterbacks coach is gonna

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Speaker 1: be the reason you're losing them the right Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I I think I think under the right or this

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Speaker 1: could be a major move. Yeah, that's cool. So so

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Speaker 1: we're talking kind of you dove into it a little

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Speaker 1: bit here, Garrett, But continuity, right, that's been the Ravens

433
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Speaker 1: overall strategy this offseason for the most part. They made

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Speaker 1: some tweaks here and there, but I think that's what's

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Speaker 1: kind of rubbing a lot of fans, including ones in

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Speaker 1: my Twitter feed, the wrong way. Yeah, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that this is this is kind of there's

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Speaker 1: a feeling out there among fans that it's just time

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Speaker 1: to clean house. Um, and that is clearly not the

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Speaker 1: direction the Ravens have gone. So what's your guys this

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Speaker 1: stance on on in general broadly on continuity or or

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Speaker 1: were we at the point after three losing seasons in

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Speaker 1: a row out of the playoffs, not losing, We're not

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Speaker 1: losing season three years out of the playoffs that uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, was it time that they needed to make

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Speaker 1: larger skills? Well, John's point is a good one. It's

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Speaker 1: not losing. It's one one losing season right on losing.

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Speaker 1: So you're stuck in general, Yeah, you're sort of grinding

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Speaker 1: your gears around five Hunter a little bit a little

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Speaker 1: bit above. So I would say this, you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: look at the playoffs, watch the playoffs. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: there's I under sort of understand that. The mentality. It's

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Speaker 1: like again, you know, three years in a row, blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah. You know you want to blow it up.

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Speaker 1: I think blowing blowing it up? You better number one,

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Speaker 1: you better be really, really careful. It's like when anyone

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Speaker 1: says that blow it up, my first response always is,

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Speaker 1: are you ready to lose? You're gonna lose? Ye? Are

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Speaker 1: you ready to lose next year you're gonna lose? Yeah? Okay,

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Speaker 1: you blow it up, you get rid of the core,

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Speaker 1: you get rid of everything. Okay, are you ready to

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Speaker 1: go for and toil? Because that's what's gonna happen. So

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Speaker 1: when you're two and eight, are you gonna stick on

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Speaker 1: your Twitter feed saying I'm all in? Yeah? It's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: well we'll check back with you. You know, so you

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Speaker 1: know I'm not the blow it up thing. Sometimes it

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Speaker 1: is right to blow it up. But when a team,

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you watched I watched the wild Card

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Speaker 1: round last weekend, I mean the Buffalo Bills. You know,

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Speaker 1: God love them. They you know, they made the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Everyone was really excited and it was a great story.

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Speaker 1: I said, stupid locker room celebration video one more time,

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Speaker 1: and then watching our game, I was I was pulling

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Speaker 1: for him. I was pulling for him. But so they

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Speaker 1: got into the playoffs and scored three points and they're out.

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Speaker 1: So okay, you know, is that you blow that upright?

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Speaker 1: But what what I'm saying is the Ravens are certainly

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Speaker 1: in that realm, in this crowd. There is no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Are they behind the Steelers and the Patriots? Yes, they are.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, as I wrote before, you know

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Speaker 1: I finished four games behind the Steelers this year that

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Speaker 1: you cannot that's just a fact. Yeah, so there's issues. However,

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Speaker 1: you're in the playoff hunt, so you've better be real

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Speaker 1: careful with blowing it up when really you should be

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Speaker 1: should be in the playoffs. The other thing, too, is

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Speaker 1: I came from Cleveland as a Browns fan. Growing up,

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Speaker 1: I covered the Browns and I know the opposite here,

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Speaker 1: So like, the Ravens are the model of consistency and

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Speaker 1: stability and continuity and all that stuff. And then on

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Speaker 1: the flip side, when you start getting into the blow

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Speaker 1: it up for the sake of blow it up argument,

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Speaker 1: I point to the Brows and I've seen it over

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Speaker 1: and over again with the general management, the head coach,

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Speaker 1: and just every couple of years doesn't work. All right,

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Speaker 1: Start fresh, start fresh, start fresh. And it's a slippery

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Speaker 1: slope from where you get to where the Ravens are

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Speaker 1: right now, where there's this consistency, then all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden you start blowing it up, and then you're in

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Speaker 1: that role. Now I understand there's there's areas in between.

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Speaker 1: It's not like every team that makes a change the

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Speaker 1: general manager of coach all of a sudden is now

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Speaker 1: almost sixteen. But you've got to be careful when you're

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Speaker 1: asking for the sake of well changed for the sake

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Speaker 1: of change. I don't know that that's necessarily the right approach.

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Speaker 1: I think you always in use this word earlier, Garrett.

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Speaker 1: The word is nuanced. Right. When you're a fan, I

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Speaker 1: get it. You can operate on one hand sent emotion right.

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Speaker 1: But when you're Steve Aschati and you're making these decisions,

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Speaker 1: you have to work with logic right, and you have

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Speaker 1: to look at nuance right. So why did the Ravens

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Speaker 1: not get over the hump? A number one reason? One

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Speaker 1: stinking play If they'll play up fourth and twelve were

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and it's an entirely different conversation. It's

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Speaker 1: you made playoffs seven out of ten years. It's impressive, right,

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Speaker 1: that's an impressive track record. Right now, now, the Ravens

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Speaker 1: put themselves once again in a position where one play

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Speaker 1: was going to make or break their season, and they

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Speaker 1: don't want to be in that position. They should be

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Speaker 1: in that position every year, and that speaks to the mediocrity.

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Speaker 1: They're stuck in this kind of eight and eight, kind

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Speaker 1: of in the middle of the pack, kind of realm

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Speaker 1: right now. Now, why is that? I think they're stuck

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Speaker 1: in there because the past three years they've been hampered

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Speaker 1: majorly by injuries. Right, that's been a huge factor, and

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Speaker 1: I think in large part they haven't had offensive playmakers.

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Speaker 1: You gotta find offensive playmakers. They haven't done it and forever,

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Speaker 1: and this offense is just stuck in this not good place.

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Speaker 1: And so so when you look at it that way,

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Speaker 1: you say, all right, if if we can instead of

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Speaker 1: blowing it up, if you can find some playmakers, If

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Speaker 1: you can do that, that has to be a priority.

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Speaker 1: Just like last year, I think quarterbacks for the priority

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Speaker 1: this year, it has to be offensive playmakers. Right, Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm started banging the table as always. Uh. If you

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Speaker 1: can do that and you can get over this this

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Speaker 1: hump offensively, then I think with the defense next year

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Speaker 1: you have a chance to be not middle of the pack.

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Speaker 1: I think you go into it, you're looking at, you know,

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Speaker 1: an eleven five. You haven't sealed by week sixteen. Let's

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Speaker 1: just say the Ravens come out and they and they

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Speaker 1: crush it in this draft. First round they get Calvin Ridley.

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Speaker 1: That's just you know, we're just throwing out in random guys.

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Speaker 1: You get a Calvin Ridley. Then the second round you

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Speaker 1: get a pass catching tight end. Okay, a big time playmaker. Like,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there your offense, you feel like

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Speaker 1: your offense. And then they get a veteran, a Mike

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Speaker 1: Wallace type player. Maybe they bring my back, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Then you get that kind of player, and then all

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Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like, all right, you bring Alex cons back.

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Speaker 1: He's ready to get martial Yana back. On offense, the

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Speaker 1: defense doesn't really change all that much. That looks a

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Speaker 1: whole lot bet ter me. And it's like you hit,

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Speaker 1: you just hit on a couple of big time guys.

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Speaker 1: You get one game changing talent on offense. I think

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Speaker 1: this thing looks a lot different. You know. What was

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Speaker 1: the most interesting part to me of the johnah harball

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Speaker 1: season any press conference was when he said we're building.

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Speaker 1: We're building here. I had not heard that from this

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Speaker 1: team before, anyone from this team, even when he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, two thousand fifteen, two thousand and sixteen, two

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Speaker 1: pounds seventeen, we're we've been building, And I thought, really,

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Speaker 1: you know, and then maybe is that right? You know,

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Speaker 1: I was, I wasn't sure about that, but you know,

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Speaker 1: and certainly went when what five wins to eight to nine?

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Speaker 1: But you know, if if that's the notion that and

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Speaker 1: it's it sounds like internally they've sold that to themselves.

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Speaker 1: They have sold that to themselves. We have been building

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Speaker 1: here since we hit autumn in the year after Kubiak

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Speaker 1: was here, Joe got hurt. So if that is in

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Speaker 1: fact the case, and you know, there are some things

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Speaker 1: to build. If you're still building, uh, you know that

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Speaker 1: maybe you don't expect to be a championship team. And

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Speaker 1: you know, to me, the Ravens didn't pass the eyeball

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Speaker 1: test this year as a championship team. They were a

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Speaker 1: playoff team, maybe not a championship team. But what's the

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Speaker 1: better way to get close to it? Is it by

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Speaker 1: tearing it apart and starting over or by tweaking what

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Speaker 1: you have? I think it's the latter. Yeah, And eventually

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Speaker 1: there comes the time, you know, if you have if

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Speaker 1: you go backwards, or you have whatever, multiple more years

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Speaker 1: of out of the playoffs, and eventually there becomes a

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Speaker 1: time when you have to when you have to make

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Speaker 1: that tough decision. I don't think they're there yet. Noope.

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Speaker 1: All right. So with that said, John, good stuff, really

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Speaker 1: good stuff from John. He's a good lounge made. I

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Speaker 1: am so excited to be in there. I can't tell you. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I will bring the snacks. Oh, well, we know it's Pretzel's. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's steady s presd Yeah, that would be pret souls. Well.

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00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: I've also siphoned off a few of the players. Always

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Speaker 1: stacks to my desk. You know, players are here anymore.

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Speaker 1: This is the opportunity to go ahead. And now I

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Speaker 1: hope you got them while they were there? Well where

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Speaker 1: do you think they went? Anyway? As always, you can

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Speaker 1: read us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot

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Speaker 1: net and we'll be back to the next week. We'll

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Speaker 1: trying to lock down a guest for next week. Got

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Speaker 1: a couple of ideas. I'm just gotta do a little convincing. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for listening as always, and we'll be back

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Speaker 1: with you next week