1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back about your happy Hour. It's so good to 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: be back here with you all again this week, and 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm excited to have Michelle to recap this next episode. 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: We finally had some drama. So much drama, Like, there's 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: so much that we have to talk about. It's going 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: to be a great week with you. Um. We probably 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: are not going to have enough time to actually talk 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: about and cover everything, but we're gonna be talking to 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: the man who received Gabby's first one on one date, Nate. 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: Trust me, I understand how you feel because some of 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: my exes have very common names too. I'm not going 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: to say any of them, but I have been in 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: your shoes before, so I get it. But luckily, we're 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: so excited to have Nate come on. Like you said, 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: he did get Gabby's first one on one date, and 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: I actually loved his reaction to it, which we'll get into. 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: I love how shocked he was, like he didn't see 18 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: it coming whatsoever. Before we get him on and get 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: into his date and his experience, let's break down episode 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: two quickly. I know that we both had some standout moments. 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: I have one question though, for you, Michelle. Okay, and 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: I was very shocked, and I just want to get 23 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: into the one on one dates themselves really quick, because 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: obviously there was a group date with the girls and 25 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: all their men, but then each woman was given a 26 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: one on one date this week and Jordan winked with Rachel. 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: Obviously he did not get a rose, But were you 28 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: surprised that he did not go back to the house 29 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: because I was thinking, even if he didn't get a 30 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: rose on a one on one date, should he not 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: stick around to see if he has a potential connection 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: with Gabby? Oh wow, I was surprised that he just 33 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: up and left totally, like I thought, Okay, I actually 34 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: so okay, I feel like you're gonna have to I mean, 35 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: I obviously know that we have two bad Surettes, right, 36 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: but I feel like I compartmentalize as I'm watching at 37 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: times as well, And so the first time I watched it, 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: I was like, honestly, I don't know if someone ever 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: got sent home on the first one on one day 40 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: of the season. Has anyone been sent home? I mean 41 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: I would have to ask, like everyone, like all of 42 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: the die hard fans out there, but I don't think so. 43 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: I don't think so. Like from right, seasons that I've seen. 44 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: I don't think the first one on one day person 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: has ever gotten gotten Yeah, And honestly, I think for 46 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: that I was like, if she can go back and 47 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: confidently send somebody home and just know that like this 48 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: is not for me one like that's you know, she 49 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: knows what she wants, right. But I actually didn't think 50 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: about that other piece of it, of like this could 51 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: be something or someone that Gabby wants to get to know. 52 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: But I'm also curious if they spoke about this before 53 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: they even started filming of you know, did they have 54 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: a conversation about that, you know? So this is because 55 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: I was watching the episode with Thomas and he raised 56 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: a good point and he said, well, Jordan specifically said 57 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: he was there to get to know Rachel like he 58 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: was in on Rachel. So from that point of view, 59 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: I understand maybe why he would go home for good. 60 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: But there's still many guys there who they're like, we 61 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: have a connection with both women, and we're interested in 62 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: exploring connections with both these women. And so I was 63 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: surprised that even if it wasn't going to be him 64 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: and Rachel, what if it could have been him and 65 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: Gabby and I don't even think Gabby. I mean, from 66 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: what we've seen, Gabby hasn't even had a conversation with him. 67 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: So I was like, this could have been a missed 68 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: opportunity unless Gabby and Rachel chatted separately and had a 69 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: conversation we didn't see where Gabby was like, no, I'm 70 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: not feeling it. He's not for me, you know, do 71 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: your thing right, but it'll be interested understand that. But 72 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: I also will say that at the end of the day, 73 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: not fet like he couldn't necessarily have control of like 74 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: staying like you can't people do for us to try 75 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: to keep themselves there. Right. But if I was in 76 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: his position and I was sent home because of Rachel, 77 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: and let's say I really, like genuinely had a connection 78 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: or wanted to explore that, then it's also on him 79 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: to say something, right, to walk back and say something 80 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: of like I do still have this connection. So that's 81 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: that's hard because it's like it's on almost like on 82 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: both parties, I guess, right, And I think as the 83 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: season goes on, it'll get much clearer and easier to 84 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: kind of know who I don't want to say, like 85 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: whose side the men are on? Because I don't want 86 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: it to be like a team, you know, But yeah, 87 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 1: I think it'll be much easier to tell what guys 88 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: are vibing with what girls. But right now, it's the 89 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: first week that I was like, Okay, this seems a 90 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: little premature to be sending his ass home totally. But 91 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: I was just kind of shocked in that moment to 92 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: be like, not even that Rachel was sending him home, Like, 93 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, if you don't feel it with somebody, by 94 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: all means you have that decision making to say, like 95 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: I can keep you or I can send you home. 96 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: But I was just shocked to see that he wasn't 97 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: went back to the house to see Gabby. Yeah, I 98 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: think I think for me what's hard is that they 99 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: really do communicate well with each other. And before we've 100 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: been coming on this, I mean, none of us really 101 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: know how this is going to go or how it 102 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 1: was going to fully work because it's never been done before. 103 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: But I really feel like the girls are so respectful 104 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: of each other, and you know they are in this 105 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: experience together. You can see that during all of the 106 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: different episodes. You can see them talking to each other, 107 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: you can see them making decisions together, and so I 108 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: feel like, I don't know, I feel like whether there 109 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: was a conversation, whether it was something that they established beforehand, 110 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: I really do feel like it was thought out and 111 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: adding to that point, because we do see them together 112 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: so much that I kind of felt we in this 113 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: episode though, because I love their friendship, I love the 114 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: girl chats that they're able to have. But at some point, 115 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: and I even said this when I was watching it, 116 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, they have to be split up, because right 117 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: even in the conversation when they had their group date 118 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: together and they were like on the bed talking in 119 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: the middle of the date, you know, like after Gabby 120 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: had gets to Logan but then Rachel had a connection 121 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: with Logan or however that went down. Like it's already 122 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: getting kind the messy a little bit, and I think 123 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: that they both are handling it so maturely, so respectfully 124 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: of being like I have a connection with this guy, 125 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: I kiss this guy, I like this guy. But it 126 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: is gonna get messy, and I'm like, at some point 127 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to split these women up. They really, 128 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: they really are, And it's just like, I don't know 129 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: if there's a way to do this where it's not 130 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: messy and complicated, like I mean, they're already complicated enough, 131 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, but I will say that, oh yeah, definitely. 132 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: I love I just love how dynamic it is so far. 133 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I like and kind of why I love 134 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: watching Paradise so much is I love watching different love 135 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: stories with different people, and that's why I like the 136 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: dynamic of this. But also too, I just felt so 137 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: bad for Rachel and points. I'm like, Gabby's living her 138 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: best life this week, and poor Rachel is like having 139 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: to watch this guy who Gabby legs over and kiss 140 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: her and have this grand date after she had not 141 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: so great of a night. It's just, I mean, I 142 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: feel like it's going to be very much up and 143 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: down this entire season. It really is. Butlet I mean 144 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: I was talking to like one of my good friends 145 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: about this as well, of just you know, Gabby and 146 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: Rachel truly care about each other, and that is a 147 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: real friendship. You know, that's not just a friendship that's 148 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: on the screen. And you can see that whether they 149 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: were going to be the Bachelottes together, whether they're just 150 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: gonna be in life together, they truly like enjoy each 151 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: other's company. They're different, but you know, they also have 152 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: similar similarities. And kind of how I explain it is, 153 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, if I'm going through a breakup and I'm 154 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: hanging out with one of my good friends and her boyfriend, right, 155 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sad around them, right, Like, I don't get 156 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: angry at them for being happy. I want her to 157 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: be happy. I acknowledge that right now, I'm really struggling, 158 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: right because I want something for my like for myself 159 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: or to find my person. But I feel like it's 160 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: gonna be tricky and I'm curious to see if it's 161 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: gonna fluctuate. Oh, it's got to. I mean, you know, 162 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: like remember when you were filming and actually I can 163 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: empathize with Rachel because they're I mean, I'm sure you 164 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: experienced this too. There were nights and there were weeks 165 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: where I was so happy and I was like, this 166 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: is working for me. I'm falling in love. I'm gonna 167 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: find my person. And then there were nights and dates 168 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: and full on weeks where I was like, Yeah, this 169 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: is so hard. How am I going to make it through? 170 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: Like how am I actually gonna find somebody to want 171 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: to get engaged to? At the end, of this, Like 172 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: it's so rocky to begin with. I just hope at 173 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: the end of it they can both, you know, get 174 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: on that steady even footing, and I can't imagine that 175 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: they wouldn't. I have no but whereas they will, We're 176 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: just getting into the drama. What's gonna happen? Like, I 177 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen, but I know that somebody's 178 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: gonna happen. Well be gonna drama. Let's talk about Chris, 179 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: because he brought the drama this week Night one. We 180 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: didn't see any drama really, So what is it about 181 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: the name Chris that's a good Did you have a 182 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: Chris in your season and he caused drama? Yes? On 183 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: your season two? Yes, Oh my gosh. He went home 184 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: halfway through and like fought with the dudes, fought with me, 185 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: was just angry. He yeah, Chris's what were your thoughts 186 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: on how he handled the conversation with the men, like 187 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: the first initial conversation that really kick started all the drama, 188 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: and then how he handed it handled everything later on 189 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: with Gabby and Rachel and then the men again. I think, 190 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: I mean he already just rubbed me the wrong way 191 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: from the very beginning. But when anybody just completely says 192 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: like because I'm an be here for a while, it's like, one, 193 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: that's not your main point. You can leave that out, right, 194 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: So like why are you are you convincing them? Are 195 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: you convincing yourself? Like are you you know what I mean? Like, 196 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: that's just not something that like what do you want 197 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: to get out of that? Right? Just I don't know 198 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: expectations or you talked about like the borderline of confident 199 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: versus cocky, Right, yeah, that's not even on the line 200 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: that's like a I don't know what mountain level that's on, right, 201 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: But it's like, no, you don't know that, right, You're 202 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: just getting you know, you're just getting to know everybody. 203 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: And I think the way that he said it too 204 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: is if you're in that for the first week, I 205 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: know that he like has had some conversations with them, 206 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: right or not? Like I mean what we saw it 207 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: didn't look like he really did. Yeah, So I'm like, well, 208 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: what are you going off of? Like are you, you know, 209 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: talking about it in a way where you're better than 210 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: everybody else? And like that's why you're thinking and that's 211 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: how it's just kind of approached, but I I really 212 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: was just I don't know, just kind of went into 213 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: the category of like one like man's planning to just 214 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: always that person who is always trying to like take 215 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: control of the entire situation. And you sign up for 216 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: a situation where like you sign up for a dating 217 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: show to fall in love, where like there's going to 218 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: be more than one person there, and so it's really 219 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: hard at this point down the line to be like 220 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: if you don't, like, if you don't handle yourself in 221 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: this way all the way down the road and already 222 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: know that it's done. It's like he I think where 223 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: he really not even fell short, but like where he 224 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: screwed up, I would say, is the fact that he 225 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: couldn't fully articulate like what he was thinking and feelated. 226 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: It sounds like he was giving he wasn't even giving 227 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: these women an ultimatum, but he had an ultimatum at 228 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: some like at some point he was gonna have to 229 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: give this ultimatum, but he didn't want to have to 230 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: vocalize that to the women. And I think what really 231 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: rubbed all the men the wrong way. It's not even 232 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: just having the conversation about fantasy suits. I don't even 233 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: think it was that, per se. I think it was 234 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: how he came across and multiple men said he was 235 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: very condescending, very this and that. Do you feel like 236 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 1: the men or like, from what you can remember, do 237 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: you feel like there's been any issues with them between 238 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: like the men and Chris before this point, right, because 239 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: like if there was, then you kind of might mut 240 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: that's what he might know. I mean, like you only 241 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: had one day with them, Like it was a really 242 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: night one and this was the first day of living together. 243 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: So it's I mean, yeah, you know who you know 244 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: whose brain we should pick about this? We should we 245 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: should pick Nate's brain about this. I'm curious what he 246 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: has to say. Oh yeah, no, I han talked to 247 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: him about it. I thought, yeah, I mean he was there. 248 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: He wasn't one of the men to confront Gabby and 249 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: Rachel about it, but he was there, he heard everything, 250 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: and so he can give us the most insight. So 251 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: let's wrap this little recap up and bring on Nate 252 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: Gabby's one on one date right now. All right, So, Nate, 253 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: We're so happy to have you. How are you doing. 254 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: I'm doing good today. I was a little nervous you know, 255 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: this is actually my first podcast, so you guys who yes, 256 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: we feel so honored. Nate. I want to ask you, 257 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: and I want to preface with this because I am 258 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: friends with Joe Amabili and I know that you guys 259 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: have ran in the same circles. You have some friends 260 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 1: within this world of bat Nation. So how did you 261 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: actually get on the show? Were you a fan or 262 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: did one of the guys that your friends with had 263 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: have been, you know, affiliated with the show. Did they 264 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: apply for you? You know? So one of my best 265 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,599 Speaker 1: friends who was Dustin Dustin Kendrick Dustin k He was 266 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: on hand and Rail season, and I watched a couple 267 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: of the seasons leading up to it, but not really consistently. 268 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: But whenever he was one that was just fully immersed 269 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: because I was rooting for him and things like that. 270 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: So I think earlier on, whenever he did some b 271 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: role I guess for his intro, ended up meeting one 272 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: of the producers and then he and I would just 273 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: always be in contact and stuff. And at first I 274 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: was a little reticent and being involved just because I mean, 275 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm not that private of a person. But you know, 276 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: I'm not like all me on TV, and then I 277 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: just led up to it, just the way that the 278 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: chips were falling in the way that my life is 279 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: going to just seem like the right time to do it. 280 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I got um connected to 281 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: this innocence. Okay. I loved how you said, you're not 282 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: that private of a person. Most people are like, I'm 283 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: still great. I like the honesty. Was there was there 284 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: anything okay so you said Dustin kay correct, Was there 285 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: any like worries that when he came back, or like 286 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: just different things that you thought about because you watched 287 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: him go through it, Like any like negative sides that 288 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: you were like that made kind of like question or 289 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: should like get into this? Should I not get into this? 290 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't say I maybe have, but his experience, 291 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: like he don't really do too much. I think he 292 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: was just so nervous of like being cancered or getting 293 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: caught into drama. He wasn't really able to like racist situation. 294 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: So I didn't really have any negative feedback from him 295 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: or even from watching it. So I think if I 296 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: would have had a friend that was on the showing 297 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: that maybe had like a very negative experience, there's something 298 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: to where they couldn't really live their life comfortably. And 299 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: then I would have been a little bit more hesitant 300 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: to to Saytan's just done away with it. But it 301 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: really wasn't that so. And then again you said, like 302 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: being around some of the other guys like Joe Mobbley 303 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: and Peter and things like that, like I was able 304 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: to get somewhat of an outside view and perceived doing 305 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: as either good people or see like all these actual 306 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: like cloud chases and stuff. But I never got that 307 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: vibe from any of them. And I mean, look at 308 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: Joe now, he's doing He's doing great. So I want 309 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: to say, like Joe, we you know, yeah, yeah, Joe 310 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: doesn't as we've put Joe doesn't like everybody. So if 311 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: you're on this good side, we must be doing something right. Um. 312 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: I want to ask you this because now we've seen 313 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: two episodes and it's I can speak from experience. It 314 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: is very drawing. The first couple of weeks that you 315 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: watch yourself on TV. How has that been for you? 316 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: And how has it been for your friends and your 317 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: family seeing you? You know, I think they enjoyed a 318 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: lot more than me. I get I get so anxious 319 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: looking at myself because obviously I'm overly critical. I feel 320 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: like my voice sounds so weird. That's exactly. Everybody, were 321 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: just like different things that you do, right. I always 322 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: touched my hair, I said, I like, I love it, 323 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: like all the time you catch things that like, you 324 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: enjoy it all the time. It was, why do I 325 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: do that? It's so odd, it's so so so odd. Well, yeah, 326 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: the biggest shock was just hearing myself because I thought 327 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: I had a beautiful voice up until its past two weeks. 328 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: What do you think of the labeled but the fans 329 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: have given you the name? Is it floppy hair? Yeah? 330 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: I think it's floppy here, Nate. How do you feel 331 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: about it? And how do your friends and family feel 332 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: about it? You know, I think it's I think it's funny. 333 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: You know, if you can't laugh at yourself, I mean, 334 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: it probably isn't the the right thing to do. You know. 335 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: I've never shied away from making fun of myself or 336 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: just joining in with it. I think it's fun. It's 337 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: stuck with me. I actually enjoyed when I see floppy 338 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: here in Nate, because I mean, it's I know, it's 339 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: a it's a good it's a good fun, So I'm 340 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: embraced it. I don't I don't think my family knows 341 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: that people call me floppy here in Nate yet, maybe 342 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: some of my friends, But I think it's just hasn't 343 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: caught on quick enough. Yeah, maybe maybe I have so 344 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: much to ask you. And Michelle and I were actually 345 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: so happy that it's going to be you on here 346 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: today because not only did you have a group date, 347 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: you had a one on one date, but you were 348 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: also you you weren't part of it, but you witnessed 349 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: some of the drama that went down. So we'll get 350 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: into all of that. But to start the week, there 351 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: was a group date at the mansion with all of 352 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: you men and two girls came over and they surprised 353 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: you with a I don't even know technically why it 354 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: was called a pageant show, because like there because of 355 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: the there was a show talent part of it, but 356 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: we didn't really see much talent, is what I'm talking about. 357 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,239 Speaker 1: That like there really was a lack of talent. There 358 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: was just more of like a show. So and we 359 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: don't need to talk about this for too long because 360 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: the main juice of this entire episode was your one 361 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: on one and that's the most important part. But can 362 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: you give us any behind the scenes tea of that 363 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: day of like you guys getting ready putting on the speedos, 364 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: Like what was the vibe like anything at all? Well, 365 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: in the beginning of the day, were we I mean, 366 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: we just recently moved into the mansion, so we're like, okay, 367 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: they're just gonna they're gonna leave a small for now, 368 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: let us get you know, a little ingratiated with the 369 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: grounds and we calm. But then you know, the girls 370 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: popped up and we're like, okay, so let's go to 371 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: be a chill day. And then it just kept snowballing 372 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: and more and more. Never a chill day. And and 373 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: when they brought that bag out, I'm thinking to myself, 374 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: there's no way it just it just can't be. And 375 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: I look over it. Jordan Bee was sitting to the 376 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: next to me, and we were we were splitting bullets. 377 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: His face that term just like bloodshot red, and I'm 378 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: over here, like my stomach it feels like I'm getting 379 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: ready to throw up. And then the first thing they 380 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: pull out was a shoe string, and I could have 381 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: feigned I said, this can't be happening. It was anyone. 382 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: I feel like if I was in your position, I'd 383 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: be like, hell no, I am not doing this. My 384 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: mom and uncle will be watching this show. Was anyone 385 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: adamant of like I refused to do this? You know, 386 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: I think everybody had the hell no moment in the 387 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: back of their mind. But then there was those one 388 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: or two guys that was just so so eager to 389 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: do it, and that was Quincy. Of course, that's probably 390 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: the most revealing one. And then I forget who else. 391 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: But once the group kind of collectively said, you know what, 392 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: let's just support each other. Let's do it. If we 393 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: knew we were getting into like an uncomfortable I guess 394 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: you know journey, you're gonna have to step by your 395 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: comfort zone a little bit and just be a good sport. 396 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: And honestly it was it sucked in like seeing it 397 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: and knowing that you had to try and do that, 398 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: but actually going through it and just supporting each other 399 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: and cheering for each other. It was kind of empowering 400 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: to an extent to be like, oh, we actually did it, 401 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: didn't you know? Sell her, it's not going to do 402 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: either because you do have in the back of your mind, 403 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: like my family is going to see this, or like 404 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: so and so I was going to see this. So 405 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: it's such a tricky situation to navigate. But hey, yeah, 406 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: actually staying my family from from watching, I was like, 407 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: you can watch anything else with this part. Just see 408 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: the skip tvo or just fast forward the first fifteen 409 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: minutes for you don't need to see it, you don't 410 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: need to be it. We're moving into everything, right, you 411 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: have that competition and then you move into the night. Person, 412 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: were you surprised by who the women invited back to 413 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: their house for the after party? You know, I was 414 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: extremely you know, I was in the mindset, like from 415 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: their perspective, I think they were just seeing who was 416 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: like able to like step out of their comfort zone 417 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: to like really embracing and also intrigue them to an extent. 418 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: In just sitting up there watching and knowing what everybody 419 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: had to overcome mentally to do something like that, I 420 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: felt like everybody deserves So whoever they chose, I was like, kudos, 421 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: good for you. I was gonna try to get there. 422 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: I was kind of down around it, and I was like, 423 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: what else I gotta do? But but yeah, I wouldn't 424 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: say extremely surprised. It's just more so just like oh, 425 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: you know, you take notes, take notes of what resonates 426 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: with them, they like, and you just try to either 427 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: find a way to connect with them so you know 428 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: you can find some time to talk to them and connect. Well, 429 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: speaking of connections and finding time to talk with somebody, 430 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: you lucked out this week because, like I said at 431 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: the beginning, you not only were part of the beginning 432 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: of that group date, but you also got Gabby's one 433 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: on one date card. And I have to say your 434 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: reaction to hearing your name was priceless because to set 435 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: the scene for everybody who may have forgotten, Jesse Palmer 436 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: comes in that week and he explains there's going to 437 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: be one group date and two one on one dates, 438 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: and so you kind of knew going into it what 439 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: this week was going to look like. But you looked 440 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: like when your name was called, it looked like you 441 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: were still waiting for other names to be called. You 442 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: were that shocked. You were like, wait, is somebody else coming, 443 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: even though Jesse was like, Nope, there's just one on 444 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: one coming. And so I loved your reaction because you 445 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: genuinely seemed shocked to be asked on that one on 446 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: one date, but you it also seemed like you had 447 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: a great connection with Gabby night one. So what was 448 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: going through your mind when you got that date card 449 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: and you were finally like, oh, hell yeah, I get 450 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: this girl's first one on one date of the season. 451 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: There was a lot going on through my mind, Like 452 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: shock is an understatement. Like when they said Nate, part 453 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: of me blacked out. I was like, man, I'm hallucinating 454 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: right now, Like my mind just made them say Nate 455 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: and then he stared at me for a little bit 456 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: and then I was just an utter shock. My heart 457 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: like dropped to my stomach. I was like, I didn't 458 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: even think this woman knew my name. It was a 459 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: joke that we had in the house where you go around. 460 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: I was like, man, like I'm just fighting this week 461 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: so she can like remember my name, you know. And 462 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: after the pageant and I didn't win. When I didn't 463 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: not win, but when I didn't get invited to be 464 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: to the after party, I was like, you know, almost desperate. 465 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way they know who I am, 466 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: Like they saw me, I'm pillow boy. Nah nah, stand up, start, 467 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: I walk with confidence. You got this, but yeah, I was. 468 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: I was just so I was just so grateful and 469 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: excited that you know, all the little things that I 470 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: was doing and stepping out of my comfort zone, just 471 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: everything I was trying to somehow like caught. She was 472 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: intrigued enough to, you know, give me that first one 473 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: on one. So yeah, so we talked. We talked a 474 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: little bit about like how you got on the show, right, 475 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: and then you found out that you're gonna have two bachelorreats. Yeah, 476 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 1: when you entered or just kind of like your mindset 477 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: coming into it, were you open to meeting two women 478 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: or were you leaning more towards Gabby. You know, I 479 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: think I was open towards meeting two women. I try 480 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: not to let like personifications of like TV you served 481 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: like actual connections, But I think whenever I did assess like, Okay, 482 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: I'm not about to try to joke, I'm gonna focus 483 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 1: on one. You know, the sooner the better that can 484 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: that you know, I have the opportunity to choose the 485 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: better for me. And I was in a weird position 486 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: that all I had was just my intro. I didn't 487 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: even get the chance to talk to them the first 488 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: the first night, so then I was like, Okay, I'm 489 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: really gonna have to just step out on women, just 490 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: see who kind of resonates more with me, not through 491 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: my interactions with him personally, but like how they interact 492 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: with the other men and maybe some of their characteristics. 493 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: And I thought, what was I guess more similar to me? 494 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: Was was Gabby at the time. So whenever she gave 495 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: me the one on one I was, I was more 496 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: than ecstatic. You know, She's funny, quirky, and a lot 497 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: of a lot of her characteristics really resonate me. So 498 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: and I'm jumping all over the place, so I apologize, 499 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: but I want to ask is to play off of 500 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: Michelle's question, we will get into your date with Gabby, 501 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: but because you and Gabby had such a good connection 502 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: on that date, like you really hit it off, And 503 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: in my notes, I wrote like there was one word 504 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: that I wrote after you both left that date and 505 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: I said it was effortless, like you could just feel 506 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: that connection between you leaving that date though that one 507 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: on one with Gabby. Were you all in at that 508 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: point on her or were you still potentially open to 509 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: the idea of dating and getting to know Rachel as well? 510 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: You know, I think I was all in on Gabby. 511 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: You know, you said it best, like effortless, and I 512 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: get along with a lot of people, but for something 513 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: to be that seamless, I wasn't going to try and 514 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: search for it elsewhere, you know. And I thought I 515 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: knew Rachel was an amazing woman. But for the most 516 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: part what kind of happened with me and Gabby, I 517 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: didn't want to I kind of take away time from 518 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: fully immersing or exploring that relationship. So I was just 519 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: kind of one way. M m. Yeah. It was such 520 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: a good first date. Everything that you did, every part 521 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: of it. I was like the champagne at the mansion 522 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: in the morning, the helicopter ride, going into the hot 523 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: tub at the top of a hill overlooking La to 524 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: going to Union Station. I was like, you would the 525 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: jackpot with that, and and like, yeah, he's incredible too. 526 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: So you just I was walked in and they're both 527 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: standing there, right, Yeah we were. You Like, did you 528 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: think he'd be going on a date with both of them? 529 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: Then no, I didn't, so so Rachel actually came in 530 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: a little later. So whenever I walked in, I was 531 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: greeted by Uh. I was greeted by Gabby and so 532 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: me and her got like a little bit of time 533 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: and then whenever we went to uh for the champagne, 534 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: then you know, Rachel is there. And at this moment 535 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: I was kind of like like struck, like, oh my gosh, 536 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: she's one for one to sending people home. So I 537 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: was kind of trend trending lightweight. But um, yeah with Rachel, 538 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: I will that's yeah. Were you hesitating like were because 539 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: I feel like it's and Michelle and I touched on 540 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: this at the top of the episode, but this is 541 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: the first time that I can remember on any season 542 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: where somebody went home on the very first one on 543 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: one date, which I'm sure to all of you men 544 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: still back at the mansion and you're probably like, oh shit, 545 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: like this is actually real, Like these girls are taking 546 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: this so seriously. So was part of you hesitant coming 547 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: into that day, being like a lot is actually on 548 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: the line here? No, absolutely, I knew that they would 549 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: be very intentional with like their their choices and how 550 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: they spent their time, and for him to go first 551 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: it definitely put in the air of like fear in 552 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: the house. We were like, what did he do? And 553 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: to not have those answers, those questions answered. We just 554 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: we came up with a million reasons asked what could 555 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: have happened? Why, and it just it just wasn't good. 556 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: But at the at the end of it, I said, 557 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta I gotta kind of put that 558 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: you know to the to the side and focus on 559 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: gabbing in our relationship in the forefront. Because mind you, 560 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: I go straight into one on one like hey, like, 561 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: let's create this connection from scratch and see your friends 562 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: and like any of it. But it went so it 563 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: went so well just because I feel like, um, whenever 564 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: I met her, I was met with such kindness and 565 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: the person that you see on TV is truly who 566 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: Gabby is. Like she's just as Swede. She jokes, but 567 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: she also has an air where she can turn on 568 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: like a motive, being serious and very deep. So I 569 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: love that we were able to have like that much 570 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: of a dynamic conversation and date just off the bat. Yeah, 571 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: how did you go in? Okay? So you guys are 572 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: so natural together and like for even of all the 573 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: listeners or viewers or whatever, remonder that when it's the 574 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: cameras on YouTube, like there's so many other things happening 575 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: around you. That the fact that you guys could be 576 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: that natural from right off the bat. That's why I'm like, okay, 577 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: like we're gonna I'm gonna keep my eye. I'm gonna 578 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: keep it in my eye on then too. But were 579 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: you you know you do you did talk about your 580 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: daughter and you wanted to share that. Did you plan 581 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: to have a conversation about that the first night or 582 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: you like, I'm gonna know when the right time is 583 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: to talk about that. It was kind of like a 584 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: first night the thing that I thought I was gonna 585 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: bring up. So the game plan I went in with 586 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: was like a certain you know, a couple of talking points. 587 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: But at the at the moment where I got the 588 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: one on one, like, I was like, I can't, I'm 589 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: not gonna go in and talk on you know, day 590 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: one whenever we're already you know, at at our one 591 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: on one. So I wanted things to be relevant in present, 592 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: so I didn't talk about night one. I would talk 593 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: about the pageant a little bit, and then also my 594 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: daughter because I didn't know when I would get another 595 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: chance to get that time, Like you you glomb onto 596 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: like these small moments people don't realize that the time 597 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: you get on screen is really all you get. So 598 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: to make things so intentional and just to kind of 599 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: be vulnerable so you don't miss a chance of them 600 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: like seeing the person you are. And so by the 601 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: time that I got on a one on one, I 602 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna be vulnerable. I'm gonna be funny 603 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: but also serious so she can like a good a 604 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: good high level view of who's in front of her, 605 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: because I mean, we don't really know each other, and 606 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: so the better that you can articulate your thoughts and 607 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: emotions and just give her like an inkling of who 608 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: you are to your core that she picked up on 609 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: it quite well. She's so attent up into seeing details 610 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: and reading into people. So I just about how she's 611 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: gonna respond to you, because that's the big thing, because 612 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: there's people who are just like, nope, yeah, I wasn't 613 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: really nervous. I was just being myself. You know. She 614 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: could have said anything and I would have been okay 615 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: with it as long as I was just being genuine 616 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: and honest and just like kind of not hiding anything. 617 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: I knew I need to lay my cards on the 618 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: table just so she can see again who's in front 619 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: of her, and if she accepts it, then you know 620 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: it's cool. I just wanted the opportunity to present myself 621 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: and just just know was it me, was it not, 622 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: and not have to go home and be like, man 623 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: didn't get a shot to you know, show her who 624 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: I was. Well, I think it's so apparent to anyone 625 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: watching the show just how much you love your daughter, 626 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: and you even said I love being a girl dad. 627 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: And Gabby's reaction to your story and your situation was beautiful. 628 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: I mean I didn't expect her to cry. And what 629 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: I loved is that her first question was, you know, 630 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: tell me more about your daughter, Like she was genuinely 631 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: invested in not only getting to know you, but such 632 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: a huge part of your life. And I think it 633 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: helped her. You sharing your story helped her share hers 634 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: because she had, you know, a strained relationship with her 635 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: mother growing up, and so were you aware of that 636 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: going in and after that conversation. Did you just feel 637 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: so connected after that, Like you guys have shared so 638 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: many heavy parts to both of you that it probably 639 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: bonded you in such a special way. No, absolutely, going 640 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: into it. Whenever I did that like, you know, that 641 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: conversation could go a number of ways, but she was 642 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: just so she just has like such a calming presence 643 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: around it that I just did feel completely open expressing 644 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: it and then her pinging me and asking me questions 645 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: on it. Following up, I was like, oh, wow, she's 646 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: like really attentive and and it just made me feel 647 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: so comfortable. Even though there were difficult conversations. You want 648 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: to feel like you can have those conversations with someone 649 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: that you're potentially buying for their affection and you know, 650 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: possibly marrying so U. And then whenever she like opened up, 651 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, Like I had no idea of 652 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: like her relationship with her mother possibly being constrained, and 653 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: so I just wanted to be like an opening open 654 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: ear for her and return the way that she did 655 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: for me. And doing that it really felt like it 656 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: did make us a lot closer, just to have like that, 657 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: that that bonding moment and then again like we had 658 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: that serious moment, and then right after we'd be able, 659 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: we were able to you know, start joking in and 660 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: make it light harder and fun. So it just goes 661 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: back to saying like we really did have like a 662 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: really good dynamic and the things that we covered in 663 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: that dat alone. So it is really miss the beat. 664 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: It's kind of you guys could just go do anything 665 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: like it seems like it's a relationship where you can 666 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: run errands, you can go to target, you can whatever 667 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: it is you hard work, and then y'all would just 668 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: be joking the whole time, laughing the whole time. Yeah, 669 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: I oh god, I just had a question. Oh, this 670 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: is what I wanted to ask you. So, you know 671 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: Gabby better than Michelle and I do. I was lucky 672 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: enough to have Gabby on the podcast, you know, back 673 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: when Clayton's season was airing. But that was just one conversation. 674 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: But what I took from that at that moment in 675 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: time was how self aware of a woman she is. 676 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: Is that something that you picked up on right away too, 677 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: because I feel like it would be so hard to 678 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: miss like she is so self aware. Oh my god, 679 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: it's unbelievable to be in the presence of someone that's 680 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: like that. It's kind of they can be daunting, but 681 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: it's in the presence of the right person. It's also 682 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: empowering just to see someone like that. You know, I 683 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: remire people who've gone through things, but people who go 684 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: through them and come out stronger, like you just get 685 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: in an orror around them and you just and you 686 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: just you know, appreciate and loving even more for it. 687 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: So it was it was truly amazing to be able 688 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 1: to share that space and just see her for who 689 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: she was and not just what they portrayed on TV. 690 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: Because if you get like time with her, you just 691 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: like you are a phenomenal woman and I'm you know 692 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: it just it just justified the reason for me even 693 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: even going on the show. So did you start to 694 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: follow a little bit for her that night? Like, I 695 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: feel like, there's no way you couldn't have. I knew that, 696 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: I knew a lot of emotions and things. It did 697 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 1: take me a while at the process. If we definitely 698 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: did have a lot of strong, um, you know, emotional moments, 699 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,479 Speaker 1: and I think we did develop I know, I feel 700 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: we definitely developed feelings for each other, but I can't 701 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: say what it was like a fall, like did you 702 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: see it? Okay, So you would talk about how Gabby 703 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: and we all talk about how Gabby is so self 704 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: aware after we spoke to her just about your daughter 705 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: and the picture and her response and all these other things. 706 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: Was there a thought that you were like, yeah, like 707 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: this person and really does have like the qualities that 708 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: would make a good mom too daughter, absolutely like being 709 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: around her. I would say, I never put someone in 710 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: the bucket of oh my gosh, I'm talking to you, 711 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: so you're automatically in the bucket of dating life. Like 712 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: at first, I just wanted to see if there was 713 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: like a friendship that could be did build up there, 714 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: see if there was something deeper, And then by the 715 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: end of the evening, you know, I saw so many 716 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: qualities that were just indicative of just being like a 717 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: good nurture, a good mother, a good support system even 718 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: for me. So she crossed I mean, that date just 719 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: crossed off a lot of boxes for me, and why 720 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: I was really just kind of one way after that 721 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: in my mind, I was like, yeah, I was also 722 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: I feel like all things considering the fact that you 723 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily going to talk to her that much tonight, 724 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: one like you really are taking the lead, I would say, 725 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: as like one of the standout contestants at this point 726 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: in time, Like, but I would say, at this point, 727 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: probably the strongest connection we've seen with one of these women. Well, 728 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: and it's been so awesome to chat with you. You. 729 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: I know this was a first podcast, but you you 730 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: did wonderful you didn't you absolutely wonderful motive. And I'm 731 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: really excited to see like how far he goes Becca, 732 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: because oh I am too, I have lives Nate. But 733 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: before we go, we we love our games here on 734 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: Bachelor Happy Hour. So we're going to get to know 735 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: you a little bit more from a little rapid fire. 736 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: So we're going to ask you a question and your 737 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: job is to respond. It's quick, like a short response. Um, 738 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: and yeah, we're gonna see what you have you wanted 739 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: to say the first question. Yeah, it's so easy. So 740 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: first question is simple, are you an early riser or 741 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: a night owl? I'm an early riser. You know a 742 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: lot of times if I don't wake up early, my 743 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: daughter's gonna wake up and put on something crazy on 744 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: the TV. And I'll wake up here and like some 745 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: crazy noises and it's terrifying. So I always have to 746 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: beat her up. And she's an early riser out a 747 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: mind of her own. That's good. We love that. Best 748 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: dating advice You've ever received, Best dating advice I've ever received? 749 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: Is um. You know, be yourself and the people who 750 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: are supposed to be there will gravitate towards you. You 751 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: don't want to um. You don't want to guarding the 752 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: affection of a woman by not being yourself because you 753 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: can't maintain that. You can always be yourself and you 754 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: can be grounded that way. So that's the best advice 755 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: I've gotten. Solid. How do you like your pizza? I 756 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 1: think this is wording is so weird. Next day cold 757 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like it's almost Yes, it's better cold, 758 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: it is. I totally one thousand percent agree the flavors 759 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: can marinate a bit better. Yes, shower or bath shower? Yeah, shower. 760 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't fest in it. I can't. I 761 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: feel like every guy we have on is gonna say shower. 762 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: No one is going to say say bad. Lets should 763 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: take this? Might say bad. Oh. I can't wait to 764 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: have Quincy on. I'm excited to pick his brain. Okay, So, Nate, 765 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: this is a question that you have to answer and 766 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: show us. Okay, what is your signature dance move? Oh? 767 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: My signature dance move? Let me see if I do 768 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: It's like do what happen from around me right now. 769 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 1: You know that. I find like a little a little dougie. 770 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: It's probably the easiest one to do because it doesn't 771 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: take up too much. I'm tossed if I have something newer, 772 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: I gotta flail my arms. That doesn't work, So I 773 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: just a little dougie. Okay. What is your favorite curse word? Uh? 774 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: Probably um, shit, shit, shit. I say shit probably a 775 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: thousand times a day. I get an email shit. Oh. 776 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: I loved your face too when you said that, Like, 777 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: did you for a hot second think can I say 778 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 1: this on the podcast? I thought about it, but you 779 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: asked me yoursel. I was like, oh, we must be 780 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: able to curse, so questions you're baiting me? Curses? Shit? Okay, Nate, 781 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: I love this question for anyone. What is your guilty pleasure? 782 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: My guilty pleasure? M this is a good one. I 783 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: don't think I've thought of a guilty pleasure in a while. 784 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: I have to have one. What is my guilty pleasure? 785 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: Everyone has something guilty pleasure. I don't know. I like, 786 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: I like Kate Pop. I listened to it. I mean, 787 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: I mean get flack flack with that. I like. I 788 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: don't know what that was, not what I was expecting. Yes, 789 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: I know it's a say it's a guilty pleasure, but 790 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: really like No, I like it. I like it to upbeat. 791 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: It's happy good so okay. So that leads into the 792 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: next question, speaking of music, what is your go to 793 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: karaoke song? Oh my god, um, it's gonna be me 794 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: by in Sync. I love it. It's gonna be bang. Yeah, 795 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: what do you know this song? It's gonna be man. 796 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm okay, I know the d ran carry I built 797 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 1: that right, sweet fantasy? Oh my god? Yeah, can you 798 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: give us a little clip go? Oh my god, I'll 799 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: probably break my speakers. I did. It's just sweet, sweet fan, 800 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: Come on, you can't. Don't maybe hanging in karaoke okay, Yeah, 801 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: so we will never go to karaoke with Nate is 802 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: It's what he's telling us right now. No. If I 803 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,280 Speaker 1: get if I get a little buzz, my my voice 804 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: gets a thousand times better, I promise you. Like, yeah, 805 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 1: thinking it's hard. I do it all the time with 806 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: shower singer through and through. But did you get that 807 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: singing that's a that's it's difficult. Oh yeah, that's why 808 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: I do k oh. I love the karaoke session. I 809 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: shower concerts are pretty dope, though, I will say that 810 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: one time. The fun fact, I used to work at 811 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 1: a bar and I got a little too crazy one 812 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: night when I was working and I sang karaoke and 813 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: I absolutely flung the microphone across the entire bar and 814 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: broke it, and so I was banned from karaoke for 815 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: a couple of The song were you singing? It was 816 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: Billy Jean by Michael Jackson. Yeah, shut out, Johnny Bees 817 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 1: is good old Michael Jackson. So ever since then, I 818 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: don't allow myself to sing any emerging, which is probably 819 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: for the best. All right, Nate, what is your current 820 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,720 Speaker 1: screensaver on your phone? My current screensaver on my phone? 821 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,800 Speaker 1: It is? It is a background of Cartagena. I traveled 822 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: to Columbia, I think a couple of years ago. Yeah, 823 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,240 Speaker 1: I took a black and white photo of the Street's 824 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: super nice, so it's pretty. I'm at work, I put 825 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,280 Speaker 1: up my phone and I see a photo of vacation. 826 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: It puts me in a happy place, so I love that. Well, 827 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: that's a step up for Mario last speak, he did 828 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 1: not have a screen saver, So you did it. Oh 829 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: my gosh, We're gonna end with one last question for 830 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: a rapid fire. What is one word to describe the 831 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: rest of Gabby and Rachel's season? One word I would say, 832 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 1: or a phrase or a phrase I would say a 833 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: phrase is very unpredictable, screen unpredictable. I like it. I 834 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: feel like they've been unpredictable this past couple of seasons. 835 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,399 Speaker 1: We're just gonna keep it rocking and rolling this one. 836 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: This one, I'm not seeing that they say it, but 837 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: it is truly unpredictable. We were we were at a 838 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: law so I would be every time that there was 839 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: something coming out, we would guess what we'd be doing. 840 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: We would guess would be going on the next one 841 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 1: on one And I was wrong every single time, and 842 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: I was in it. So I can't imagine what emotion 843 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: the viewers out there are gonna go through whenever they 844 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,439 Speaker 1: just keep getting these twists and turns. It's really unbelievable 845 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: even to be in it. So I'm excited. I'm predictable. Okay, 846 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: I'll take it. I love that. Yeah, all right, Nate. 847 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: Every week we asked our guests a rose and thorn, 848 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be for this week, for this specific episode. 849 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: So basically, your rose is it's gonna be like your 850 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,720 Speaker 1: favorite moment, your highlight, and then your thorn is obviously 851 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:33,959 Speaker 1: the opposite. Okay, my my thorn was probably the moment 852 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: they pick those those throngs out of the bag. That 853 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: was probably one of the lowest the lowest points. Um 854 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: and then and then my um and then my rose 855 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: was dancing with Gabby at the end of our our 856 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,720 Speaker 1: one on one that was probably yeah, I love that, Michelle, 857 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 1: what about you? Um, I would say my thorn would 858 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: probably be just watching Rachel just respond to those conversations, 859 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, really like wanting this for herself as well, 860 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: and um, you know, so early on like just people 861 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: deciding that not to open up. This was not towards 862 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: you by my rose. My rose would be Gabby and 863 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: Rachel throwing Chris, not throwing Chris out, But anyone know, 864 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: because I don't know. I love women, women who can 865 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: make her own their own decisions and they truly do 866 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: just like they know what they want, yeah, and they 867 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: stick with it. So oh right, good ones. I'm gonna 868 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: say my thorn and Date, I'm sorry this is to you. 869 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: Was watching you spray on so much cologne before your date. 870 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: You gave yourself so many squirts. I was like, I 871 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: can smell you through the screen, sir, I'm telling you 872 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: that the last longer. I don't know what it is, 873 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 1: but like my cologne is not as strong. I mean 874 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: it needs more than one else. I was watching this, No, no, 875 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: it was so funny. I actually wrote that in my 876 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: notes because I was watching this because I was like, 877 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: I need to call his ass out tomorrow when I 878 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 1: have him on the podcast. Um, okay, like boys in 879 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: Hollis today. But yeah, it's really got you. Gotta see 880 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,279 Speaker 1: that food you were. You did so many sprays. I 881 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: thought you were in a spray it in your mouth 882 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 1: before you left. I was like, oh my god, put 883 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: the bottle, dutch Man. Somebody needs to just like get 884 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: that ten second clip instead of two because it was 885 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: I was laughing so hard. I was like, how many 886 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,959 Speaker 1: did you do? But if that's my if that's my thorn, 887 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: you know it's it's a good week. I'm gonna say. 888 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: My rose was. I think just seeing the girls together 889 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: and like in the little moments, like in the middle 890 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 1: of their group date where they can just hop on 891 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 1: a bed and have a girl chat and drink champagne. 892 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,320 Speaker 1: That's something that I would have loved to have on 893 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: my season. You know, like there's you always say the 894 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,360 Speaker 1: breaks with your producer to talk through things, but it 895 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: would be so much more special, I think, and just 896 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 1: fun in general to have one of your good friends 897 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 1: to be able to do that with. And so seeing 898 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: those moments with the two of them together, I absolutely 899 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: love so that it's going to be in my rose 900 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: and with that, Nate, you made it through your first podcast. 901 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:27,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us. Amazing, it was so much fun. Okay, Michelle, 902 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: that was such a fun week, such a fun interview. 903 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: And to all of our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, thank 904 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: you so much. Once again, thanks to Nate and everyone. 905 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: Don't forget that you can catch new episodes of the 906 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 1: Bachelorettes every Monday on ABC or Hulu. Make sure to 907 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 1: hit us up on social. 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