1 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, and welcome to another edition of The 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Falcon's Final Whistle podcast on Scott Bear Here with Tory 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: mclaney and Chris Ram. The day after the Super Bowl, 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: the NFL offseason has officially ended. The Rams beat the 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: Bengals with a everybody saw what happened, But Rams and Bengals. 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: Rams are super Bowl champions, and it really kind of 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: got us thinking that the Bengals were. Let me check 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: Pro Football Reference again, they were two and fourteen, and 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: then they were four and twelve, and then they were 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, right, which basically gives optimism to 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: literally anyone. Everyone. Everyone in the league is now looking 12 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: at the Bengals being like, oh my gosh, can we 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: be them? Can we be the next Bengals? Right? So 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: I think that poses the question right, And there have 15 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: been lots of articles written about this. Can your insert 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: team name here be the Bengals? Right? So? What the heck? Right? 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: Can the Falcons be the Bengals? Falcons won? They won 18 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: four games two years ago, they won seven last year 19 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: under Arthur Smith. I think I think we can all 20 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: agree that their arrow is generally pointing up, with a 21 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: lot of work left to do. But there's a lot 22 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: of teams that go from worse to first. There's a 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: lot of teams that turn a very high draft pick 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: into something spectacular a couple of years down the line. 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: And can the Falcons do that? Are they in a 26 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: position to do that within relation to their what's going 27 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: on within their division. So we're gonna look at all 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: that stuff. Basically over the course of the next half 29 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: hour or so, we're gonna kind of we're gonna talk 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: about whether the Falcons can do that. What's the key 31 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: ingredient for the Bengals not named Joe Burrow? They we're 32 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: gonna talk about Joe Burrow, the former LSU slash Ohio 33 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: state quarterback who brought glory to his home state. And 34 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: then where do the Falcons go to try to forge 35 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: their way into becoming playoff contenders? Once again, I'm just 36 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: reading from Tory mclaney's notes. I didn't come up and 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: you're welcome myself. That's why I use the word forge. 38 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: That's a Tory word, but I'd like it. That's a 39 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: that's a Tory word for sure. Yeah. But anyway, so 40 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna break all that down. So I guess generally speaking, 41 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: what are your kind of thoughts on this Bengals rise 42 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: and is there anything you know just generally, you know, 43 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: off the top of your head, Tory, let's say about 44 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: if the Falcons can do that? And what was the 45 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: key for you for the Bengals. Yeah, I mean I 46 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: think just kind of looking at it, and then also 47 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: kind of just looking at the articles that were written 48 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: this morning, throughout the course of the last honestly probably 49 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: twelve ish hours since the Bengals and the Rams, you know, 50 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: the super Bowl began. It was all just kind of 51 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: looking at Okay, everybody's kind of essential being like this 52 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: whole idea of worst to first and who can be 53 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: the next team in the league to go worst to first? 54 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: Because when you look at it, the Bengals were last 55 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: in the AFC North in twenty twenty, and as Chris 56 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: Ram pointed out before we even started recording this, they 57 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: were last until what like week nine of this past season. 58 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean, well they were they were first early on, 59 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: and then they were and then they were last. There 60 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: you go, And so I think when you think about that, 61 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: and then also kind of thinking about what the twenty 62 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: twenty season was, where you you lose Joe Burrow and 63 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: he's now coming into this season coming off of a 64 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: tour in ACL And I mean, you really do think 65 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: about everything that happened to this Bengals team and then 66 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: for them to get to the point of where they 67 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: are not just like super Bowl like in the Super Bowl, 68 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: but like pretty good contenders with the team that I 69 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: think everyone expected to be in the Super Bowl because 70 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: of how the team was constructed, i e. The Ams. 71 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: So I think for me, like when you're thinking about 72 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: this whole idea of the league moving forward, I think 73 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: when you have the where everybody's kind of on this 74 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: equal playing field, I think it makes it more fun. 75 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: I think that's what the league wants, is that everybody 76 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: to kind of be on this level playing field where 77 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: you don't have, you know, the New England Patriots going 78 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: out and winning however many super Bowls in a row. 79 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: You want that parody. And so I think this Bengal, 80 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: this idea of the Bengals being this team going from 81 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: Worcester first, is like the It's what you want the 82 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: league to be. And I think it gives you hope 83 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: for a team like the Falcons and where they currently 84 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: are in their own division, yeah, and I'd probably say 85 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: the same. I think I think it kind of shows 86 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: that I think football more than any other sport is 87 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: like lucky, so much involved in football. So without getting 88 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: into everything, I think the stars have to align like 89 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: they did for the Bengals this year, and you have 90 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: to play good football. It doesn't matter when you play 91 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: bad football, as long as you're playing good football when 92 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: it matters. And if you can get hot for three games, 93 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: you might be in a super Bowl. Yeah, and I 94 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: think timing really is everything. It really truly is in 95 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: this league more than I think any other. Yeah. As 96 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, Yeah, one talk about a team that peaked 97 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: really early and then obviously didn't know how to handle it. 98 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: I got reports about their quarterback being unhappy. It's just 99 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: you know that things can turn really quickly. And I 100 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: do think that getting hot is important. I think the 101 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: other phase of it is that a team hasn't has 102 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: opportunities when they go through struggles and they get these 103 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: high draft picks, right, do you make the right selections? 104 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: And the Bengals made a selection on Joe Burrow and 105 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: then they made a selection on Jamar Chase. Right nailed 106 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: those and that put them in a great position to 107 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: be something special because as you have obviously with a quarterback, 108 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: when you had a player like Jamar Chase, right, like 109 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: a talented individual, he just he's a game changer. When 110 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: you add that, then it gives you an opportunity to 111 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: maybe go out and be the team that you're not 112 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: as good at on paper because Jamar Chase is just 113 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: gonna He's just gonna go do some things right. So 114 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: I think for those reasons, it's definitely possible. It's definitely interesting. 115 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: I you know, I was reading K two and fourteen, 116 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: then four and twelve. Well, probably wouldn't have gone four 117 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: and twelve if Joe Burrow was healthy that year. But 118 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: nonetheless that you're seeing that this team kind of evolve 119 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: and get hot at the right time and end up 120 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: in the super Bowl. That's also why at the end 121 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl, like for the loser, you always say, oh, 122 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: their future is so bright. They got this, they got that. 123 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: There is no guarantee you'll ever get back there, so 124 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: take advantage of the opportunity to go out. Of Dan Marino, 125 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: he made it his second year and then never again. 126 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: There's a lot of situations like that where you think Okay, 127 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: this is gonna be like a dynasty type team, but 128 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: maybe not. You know, maybe that was your one opportunity. 129 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: But with the ability to fall backwards is the ability 130 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: to ascend. So we're going to kind of talk of 131 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: about all that stuff, but before we do, we have 132 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: to offer a big thank you to our sponsor, Microsoft, 133 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: Windows eleven, the official operating system of the NFL and 134 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons. 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Well, we can't talk 145 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: about Joe Burrown next because that's my next question for 146 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: you guys, So we'll get there for people listening. Just 147 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: if you want to go ahead and listen to us 148 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: talk about Joe Burrow for a few minutes. Just click 149 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: on through. You can fast forward through this section. Um, 150 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: but don't do that because we're gonna say some cool things, 151 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: maybe probably not knowledge. We're gonna drop some knowledge. Um 152 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: drop a mixtape too. Um. There's this one picture of 153 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: Chris and I from our introductory like when we did 154 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: our photo shoot when we were coming to the Falcons. 155 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: We're like back to back and it's it's significantly like 156 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: mixtape material. Like when Chris and I drop a mixtape, 157 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: that will be the cover photo on the album. So 158 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: just letting everything some big chains photoshop to you. Tory 159 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: and Scott too. We'll just have a photoshop Scott laying 160 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: down in the front. There we go, striking. That's great. 161 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: There's also a good photo that one of our videographers 162 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: captured of both of them doing like peace sign Like 163 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: I wouldn't fit. I don't think I'm cool enough for that. 164 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm not. That photo will never see the light of day. 165 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: That is a definitely posting. There's no doubt, No, that 166 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: is a terrible photo of me. It was I had 167 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: had a rough day. I think it was after I 168 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: think it was after the Braves won the World Series 169 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: and I had gotten my flu shot the day before, 170 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: so I was not your it was story us. I 171 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: wasn't selling all day. I would own up if it 172 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: was not the flu shot, and we all know it. 173 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: So anyways, it's I was looking quite horrendous and we 174 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: it was at practice and it was horrible, and it's 175 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: a shot of Chris and I. It's a shot of 176 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: Chris and I just like throwing up the peace signs, 177 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: like as we were doing a mic check and someone 178 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: screenshot it and it's horrible, and no, it will not 179 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: be on. It will not be a part of the 180 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: production of this podcast period saying that, like you have 181 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: any control over that, which is my favorite part. I 182 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: willed you to come up with some blackmail for me 183 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: between this report goes out, because otherwise you're in trouble 184 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: a right, sorry. Going back to the key ingredient for 185 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: the building a good mixtape, that's how you build, Hey, 186 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, I mean he could probably go out and 187 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: put together a solid like mixtape with with this team. 188 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: I do. I do believe this team has a lot 189 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: of coolness, cool factor to it, which is why I 190 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: like it. I don't think that's the key ingredient for 191 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: the Bengals in twenty twenty one. They're cool factor. But 192 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: what I did so going back to last night watching 193 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, there was this one graphic that I 194 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: thought they did that it was really cool where they 195 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: were taking a look at this defense, this Bengals defense, 196 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: and they had kind of everybody in their uniforms from 197 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: the teams that they were on in the previous years 198 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: and now kind of fast forwarding to where they are now. 199 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: Where the all in the Bengals, And I just thought 200 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: that was super interesting because I think when you think 201 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: about the Bengals, you think about Joe Burrow, and you 202 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: think about Jamar Chase, and you think about them building 203 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: up through the draft and going out and getting these 204 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: guys in the draft. But I also thought it was 205 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: important that they simultaneously found the right guys in free agency. 206 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: And I think when you're thinking about where the Falcons 207 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: are right now, I do put so much weight on 208 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: the draft, but I also put a lot of weight 209 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: in free agency, especially when you get into next year 210 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: when you think about them having more money to play 211 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: around in free agency a little bit, and I think 212 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: that's kind of where the Bengals were It was a 213 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: really good collection. This team, I thought was a really 214 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: good collection of guys they had drafted and developed and 215 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: also guys that they had brought in to kind of 216 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: fill out this team. So I thought that was kind 217 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: of when you're thinking about the key ingredient, we're talking 218 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: about timing and we're talking about all of this kind 219 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: of stuff, I think the timing of the draft and 220 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: guys you picked up and the guys he picked up 221 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: in free agency kind of marrying together to create this 222 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: team was a pretty key ingredient for where they were 223 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Yeah, I think I think along 224 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: with the free agents, I think Trey Hendrickson was one 225 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: of their Yes, it was the key ingredient to this team. 226 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: On the I think their defense doesn't get enough credit 227 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: for what they do and for what he does. He 228 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: kind of makes me think of like what you know, 229 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: Dick buckis looked like or one of those guys back 230 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: in the sixties. He's no fluff, no gloves, no no swag, 231 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: no football swag on the field and just have some moms. 232 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: He putting his hand in the dirt and he's coming 233 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: at you every play. So he and he had he 234 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: set the franchise record in sacks. They posted him from 235 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: the Saints, which Falcon stains would probably like m and 236 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: he bought for them. And uh, you know against the Titans, 237 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: you saw the kind of pressure they got, even though 238 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Burrow was sack nine times. But along 239 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: with that key ingredient, I think another I don't know, 240 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: this is not a key ingredient, but this is just 241 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: another thing when I was talking about before, you know, 242 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: things falling in the right direction and luck. You know, 243 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: the the Ravens start eight and two, eight and three, 244 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: then Lamar gets hurt and they and they go eight 245 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: and nine I think or eight or something. They go 246 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: eight and nine and there there they missed the playoffs. 247 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: Um for some reason, the Steelers um let their season continue. 248 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: With what was going on there at the on the 249 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: quarterback position, I think the quarterback playoff was happening there, 250 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: and then what was happening with the Rams I'm in 251 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: with the Browns was was it kind of a it's 252 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: kind of insane over there. So I think not only 253 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: did they and this happens, I think for all teams 254 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: was always luck involved, but I think yea and within 255 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: their own Their division is arguably Theirs and and the 256 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 1: NFC West probably or probably maybe others two like the 257 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: Chiefs division, but some of the hardest in the league 258 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: to play in. So I think the cars aligned for 259 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: them in terms of you know, I think Joe Burrow 260 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: threw for almost a thousand yards in two games against 261 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: the Ravens because I think all their defensive backs were 262 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: hurt minus Marlon Humphrey and Jamar Chase embarrassed Humphrey at 263 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: that um you know ball take it slant. So I 264 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: think not only was it you know, their defense and 265 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, and they also they also had I'm not 266 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: try to pronounce his last name, but Shidobe. I'm not 267 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: surey to produce the last same. I don't want to 268 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: mess it up, but it's Hidobe clashing starts with the 269 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: A and anywheres in between two. He was the fourth 270 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: rank cornerback in the league this year for pff UM, 271 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: so he also helped. But yeah, there's a lot of 272 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: things happened around them that like the stars just aligned 273 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: for them to get here. Yeah, I'm sorry we left 274 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: you hanging on the pronunciation. Yeah. Yeah, And I don't 275 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: want to I'm not. I don't want to. I'm not 276 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: trying to butcher anyone's name here. So no, it's got now. 277 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: I think we're both just kind of looking at you like, God, Yeah, 278 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: I was. I couldn't. I could not throw you a 279 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: life rapp. I wanted to. I could not even tad 280 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: to start googling his name, and I couldn't do it 281 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: in time. But here's the but here's the crazy thing 282 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: about him, right, is that they signed him a three 283 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: year deal for not very much. For twenty one million 284 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: dollars over the course of three years. Right, That's that's 285 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: a good value signing um. And most of that money 286 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: is down farther into the deal. So you think, gosh 287 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: that those are the types of things where you've got 288 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: to hit right, if you're adding kind of Falcon's parlance 289 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: to it, that like they Trey Hendrickson wasn't cheap, but 290 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: they identified a guy that could play for them, and 291 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: they invested wisely. They used two very high draft picks 292 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: and invested wisely, and then they were able to I mean, 293 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: Eli Apple was basically on like a journeyman's path around 294 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: the country, right, and he still maybe, but they found 295 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: a guy that was able to contribute and start for 296 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: them and help that defense. So I just think they're 297 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: there's so many examples of that, and that's how you 298 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: do it. So I'm gonna combine both of what you 299 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: got of things that you guys are saying that it's defense, 300 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: it's finding these gems. It's also luck and understanding when 301 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: to be opportunistic, right that, yes, how often is it 302 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: gonna happen that you're gonna win a division that has 303 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and t J Watt in it? Right? And 304 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: the I don't know if the Browns will ever figure 305 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: it out, but there's a lot of and Miles Garrett 306 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: right like like, there's a lot of talent within the 307 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: division and I'm just naming superstars, but it's deep. It's 308 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: really deep. So can you identify, all Right, everybody's suffering 309 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: a little bit, everybody's limping, let's go get it. And 310 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: that's kind of the situation that they were in. So 311 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: it's very possible. You know, when you talk about opening 312 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: up a period of sustained success, so you know, you 313 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: talk about championship windows or being in control of a division, 314 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that every year you're gonna go, you know, 315 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: thirteen and five or whatever, thirty you know what I mean, Like, 316 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that those types of things are going 317 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: to happen, you go thirteen to four. But if you 318 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: can look around and be like, Saints quarterback situation is weird. 319 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: Tom Brady just retired, the Panthers are sticking with Sam Darnold. 320 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: I guess right, you start looking at the late of 321 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: the landing figure. Okay, if we can just be smart 322 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: with it, that we can find a way to capitalize 323 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: on the situation and we can get some more fogon 324 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: stuff as we move on here. But let's move on 325 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: to the Joe Burrow noss of it all right, This 326 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: isn't just like a team getting hot. This is a 327 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: team that invested a number one pick in a quarterback 328 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: and he's playing like a number one pick that that 329 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: was a good investment of that draft capital. Craig, me 330 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. Joe Burrow was like the consensus number one, 331 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: Like there was no drama in that, right, and then 332 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: a guy and they nailed it, you know, and I 333 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: think his how often did we hear it? Was? Like 334 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: it was like a forced narrative by the broadcast networks 335 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: that the Bengals haven't won in thirty years. The Bengals 336 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: haven't won in thirty years. Man, They've blown in a lot, 337 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: uh you know, over and over and over again. And 338 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: every time Joe Burrow was like, I don't care about that, 339 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: Like I didn't know anything about that. Zach Taylor, who's 340 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: younger than me, which I hate, uh wow, the resentment was, 341 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, strong, I want to be a head coach, 342 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: come on, man, but you know, and Zach Taylor kept 343 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: saying that they didn't care about the history, right, that 344 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: this is something new. And I think that Joe Burrow 345 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: brought that attitude in mindset and I think that that 346 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: helped them, like, we don't care what happened, that's nothing 347 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: to do with us. We're doing our own thing and 348 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: we're He's just so confident, and I think that rubs 349 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: off on people, in addition to the fact that you know, 350 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: he's pretty good, right. Yeah. And it's interesting because them 351 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: so before we started this podcast, like I just kind 352 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: of sent Scott and Chris like these questions, and the 353 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: question was, like, how do you begin to replicate the 354 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow impact? And the more I sit with that question, 355 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: the more I'm like, that's such an unfair question because 356 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: you're not going to And I think, like Joe Burrows 357 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: impact for the Bengals is it. I mean, I can 358 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: almost like not really put into words because that's how 359 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: much it means to this organization. And going back to 360 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: Scott what you were saying about how essentially I mean 361 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: they invested in Joe Burrow and he panned out. I 362 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: think you see a lot of times there are so 363 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: many I think, first round picks that just don't pan out, 364 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: and he's somebody who did. And I think it just 365 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: goes back to kind of the idea if we're talking 366 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: about the draft, how much of a freaking crapshoot it 367 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: is sometimes and how much it really is just kind 368 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: of you're just hoping that what you see on film 369 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: and what you're interview in these interviews, the guys that 370 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: you're interviewing, how they You just hope that they turn 371 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 1: out to be what you want them to be. And 372 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: I think like even using like I don't know, you 373 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: think about like Kyle Pitts, like you can look at 374 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: his measurables and you can look at kind of him 375 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: being the quote unquote Unicorn and everything like that, and 376 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: the Falcons investing a number four overall pick in him, 377 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: but he still has to pan out, and he still 378 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: has to put in the work, and he still has 379 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: to kind of they have to figure out the best 380 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: ways to use him and putting weapons around him. And 381 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: I think, like that's something that I thought the Bengals 382 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: did very well, is that they gave Joe Burrow, i think, weapons, 383 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: and they gave him an opportunity to thrive while he's 384 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: also learning the scheme in the system as a young 385 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: quarterback in this league. So um, I don't know how 386 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: a team like the Falcons begins to replicate something like 387 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. But I think when you think about it, 388 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: it all just kind of it's just this idea of 389 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: draft guys, guys that you draft and bring in, developing 390 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: and panning out. And I think that's kind of simply put. Yeah. 391 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think with quarterbacks in general, 392 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: it's it's like in order for situations matter more than 393 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: than any anything else. And and and if you walk 394 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: into a situation like we saw the top quarterbacks walk 395 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: into this season, oftentimes doesn't look that great. And a 396 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: lot of times it's not really their fault, it's to 397 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, who's around them. So when you when you 398 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: pair Joe Burrow with you know, Tyler Boyd and T Higgins, 399 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: UM and Joe Mixon, that's cool, um. But then once 400 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: you pair him with Jamar Chase and Te Higgins and 401 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd and Joe Mixon and Tjo was I'm preppy 402 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: pronouncing his last name wrong too, something I've ben't do that. 403 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: But you have those weapons, you know, out there on 404 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: the field, then you know, it becomes very scary. I 405 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: remember there was a there was a before the twenty 406 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: twenty one draft, there was a meme that Bengals fans 407 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: were circulating because many fans wanted the Bengals to draft 408 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: Penny Seoul because of what we saw last night happened 409 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: to Joe Burrow. What we saw happened to draw Joe 410 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 1: Burrow all season. It was a meme where it was like, uh, 411 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: draft Jamar Chase and it was a stick figure. It 412 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: was a stick figure being sacked like fumbling the ball. 413 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: And then it was like draft Penny Sewell and it 414 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: was a stick figure Joe Burrow protected, and then it 415 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: was like another stick figure for any receiver. So it 416 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: was like, you know what I mean, So the Bengals 417 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: bet on a skill position, um and and a star 418 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: and I think it I think it still worked for 419 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: the most part. I mean, I think they still need to, 420 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: you know, fix that offensive line before Joe Burrow and 421 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: the black Andrew luck or something, but um, I think 422 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: that was gonna Yeah. I think ultimately what I think 423 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: with Joe, I think people, you know, the cool thing, 424 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: but Joe Burrow is cool. Some some people going a 425 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: little too far with the cool stuff, saying too far 426 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: with that stuff. But he's social media in general, people 427 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: take it way too far. Like you can respect, you 428 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: can respect the coolness, but then don't get weird about it. Yeah, 429 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: exactly like he's I think his swag is attracts people 430 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: to him too. And uh, you know, even that you know, 431 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 1: a comeback against the Chiefs and the AFC Championship, all 432 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: the players talked about how he was just cool with 433 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: the whole time, Like he didn't he wasn't yelling, he 434 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: wasn't he was the same guy. And that's great when 435 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: your leader is that guy in the huddle. Your leader 436 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: isn't shaking. He isn't nervous. He's saying, let's just do us. 437 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: We're a second half team. And they did it. So 438 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: I think how you replicate the Joe Burrow experience his 439 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: find a quarterback that you're in love with if you 440 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: have the number one pick and Joe Burrows there draft, 441 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: but you know, if you have a guy that you're 442 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: in love with, I e. Patrick Mahomes that you could 443 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: get that you could trade up ahead of Chicago and 444 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: get at ten. Go get him and make sure that 445 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: when you get him, that quarterback can be surrounded by weapons. 446 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: So how do the Falcons do that? Surround Matt Ryan 447 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: with weapons and if you want him to have a 448 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: succession plan, maybe you get your Joe Burrow Josh and 449 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is in the sitting behind him and just 450 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: ready to go. Maybe I couldn't agree more. And it 451 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: goes back to what we were talking about in the 452 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: very first podcast about Matt Ryan's future in Atlanta and 453 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: were we were literally sitting here being like, just build 454 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: around him so that you can go and get a 455 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: quarterback and they can come in when the Matt Ryan 456 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: era is over in Atlanta and be in a good 457 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: position to be successful. I mean that that's exactly what 458 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: we were talking about, what like a month ago, Like, 459 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up full circle. Man, Yeah, no, 460 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: I was just saying, I mean Arthur Blank, you know, 461 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: was very candid in the fact that they know there's 462 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: a sunset for Matt. They've been talking about a succession 463 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: plan for a couple of years. The beauty of where 464 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: they are is they don't have to jump. So it's 465 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,239 Speaker 1: tough because going from worse to first, everything's like the 466 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: Bengals flipped the switch in one year. Now they didn't. 467 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: It was more like a couple of years built onto it. 468 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: So how can you I think the better question is 469 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: not like and I think people I have to write 470 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: the headline to this podcast correctly because people they roll 471 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: their eyes and think things are going to the Super 472 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: Bowl next year, and that's not what we're saying at all, 473 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: not it. But it's like, how can you accelerate this 474 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: process or where like the Bengals had the number one pick, 475 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: which means the year before went really bad, they were 476 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: starting Ryan Finley okay, and then and then they were 477 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: able to accelerate it by a couple of key moves. 478 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: So let's say that that and top picks that made 479 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: immediate impacts. So if we're looking at it from a 480 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: falcon's perspective, knowing that they are probably going to have 481 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan for maybe this year, maybe the next, we're 482 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: not sure. But nonetheless, if you have that quarterback in place, 483 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: how do you make those jumps? It's interesting you go 484 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: back and you look at twenty twenty one redrafts, right, 485 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: and you see Michael Parsons instead of Kyle Pits, right, 486 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody's saying that's a knock on Kyle. 487 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: I think Kyle was. Yeah, But if you could, my 488 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: point is if you can somehow go back back to 489 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: back with game changing kind of generational type players, if 490 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: you can draft Kyle Pits in one year and then 491 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: you can come back at eight and get a Michael 492 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: Parsons type or a player at a premium position who 493 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: can make that type of impact, then you can accelerate 494 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: your process. They're obviously not going to go find the court. 495 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: I don't believe I should say that they're gonna go 496 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: find a quarterback at eight and insert him and they're 497 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: gonna follow the exact blueprint. But I do think that 498 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: that's a way to do it, is make those top 499 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: picks really count. We know the hit rate is half 500 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: you know that boom or bust about fifty percent, maybe 501 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: a little higher in the first round, but you got 502 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: to find ways to stick. The tough thing is it's 503 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: really easy. Like Chris was saying, they invested in skill players, right, 504 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: Falcons could go out and draft a tackle and it's 505 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: gonna feel different, right, But they need dynamic players at 506 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: premium positions. And I think that that's how you do it. 507 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: If all of a sudden they can get a guy, Yeah, 508 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: go find Michael Parson and Scott like, go find Patrick Mahomes. 509 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: You know, like that's not an easy thing to do. 510 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: But if you can find a guy who could a 511 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: game changer, then I think then you can kind of 512 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: accelerate this process. That's my point. And I think that 513 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: the Falcons still are working their way out of resources. 514 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: But if you're answering this question, and I promise I'll 515 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: stop talking that you can look at it like, all right, well, 516 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: can they get to the playoffs in two years instead 517 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: of three or four like we've been talking, right, how 518 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: is that possible? And I think that that's more the 519 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: question that we're trying to answer more than like the 520 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: Falcons are going to the Super Bowl, like right, you know, 521 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: they still have a little ways to go, I would say, 522 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's just one of those things 523 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: where you just gotta hit. You gotta use your resource 524 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: as well. I think bringing up um, you know, the 525 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: the the cornerback example that they've invested so well in 526 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: so many different places that allows them up. So I 527 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: think you have to hit. Yeah, you have to hit 528 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: on the draft and also in like you said, in 529 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: free agency, Likectora was talking about, they had a graphic 530 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: up where I think it was like their entire secondary 531 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: head on different uniforms last year. Are almost other secondary 532 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: out of different uniforms last year. So yeah, that was 533 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: the graphic that I was talking about. It was legit 534 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: like they had so they literally took their defense and 535 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: was like, okay, they just they pieced it together through 536 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: free agency, and I think there's something to be said 537 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah. So often people say I've probably written 538 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: that free agency can be fools gold and you can 539 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: spend the money incorrectly, but there are also examples of 540 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: free agency being super productive. Like you think about the 541 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: Patriots dynasty, right, they can be very active in free agency, 542 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: like a lot like they can come out with like 543 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: with a huge hall of guys that can contribute, you know. 544 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: So I think that it's about using it right and 545 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: finding the right guys for you that fit into your 546 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: system and maybe investing heavily right. For as much as 547 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: we say the Falcons are in salary cap trouble, and 548 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: they are, you can make it. I mean, look at 549 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: the Rams, like, you can make anything work in terms 550 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: like you want to structure a contract in a funky 551 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: way to go get a bigger name player. I mean 552 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: you could sort of do that right. Um, may not 553 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: be wise, but you can sort of do that in 554 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: a way that you can accelerate your process. So um, 555 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: and I think the time is now for the NFC South. 556 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: Now we could be talking in May and you know, 557 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: the Bucks could have Russell Wilson or something I'm just saying. 558 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 1: And then like and the division looks and feels a 559 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: lot different. But as we sit here, as the off 560 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: season begins truly begins, you think, all right, you know 561 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: Iron's hot, they have the best quarterback in the division. Um, 562 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: and yeah, just build up around Matt, So it's possible. 563 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: That's what we're saying. You know, we're we're selling we're 564 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: selling hope. We're not selling Yeah, we're not selling uh 565 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: like like facts, we're selling hope. Right. My thing is 566 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: too about the whole Bengals teams too. I think like 567 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: it's it's very possible. I don't even know, it's very 568 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: possible for the Bengals to be like six and eleven 569 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: next year. Like yes, it's not like you know what 570 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's not like they're like they definitely 571 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: haven't arrived, Like I don't think they're like Noah, Like 572 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: I don't think it's like you know what I mean, 573 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: Like it's very easy. You can't look at that often 574 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: offensive line and how many times Joe Burrow is backing 575 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: and be like, yeah, the Bengals have arrived. Yeah, I 576 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: just can't. Yeah, I wanted to say that too, Like 577 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: it's it could have been you know Scott begin this 578 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: with Dan Marino. That's the thing, Like they caught lightning 579 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,239 Speaker 1: in a bottle in twenty twenty one and they ran 580 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: with it. And I think, like that's what everyone else 581 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: is trying to do unless you're the Rams and you 582 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: are willing to give up so many so much draft 583 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: capital to build a team that you want. Now, that's 584 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: essentially what everybody else is trying to do. And yeah, 585 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's possible that in that in two years, 586 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: if they if you strike it for which they have done, 587 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: and then you can strike it eight and be smart 588 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: with your depth, then they and then they get hot 589 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: and then they get healthy. Gosh, how many can you know? 590 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: If then? Yeah? Right, But but that's part of our 591 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: our point is that the service level thing is, oh, wow, 592 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: the Bengals had four wins, then they're in the super Bowl, right, 593 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: And that's an easy thing to say. It's a little 594 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: more complicated when you dive into how they were able 595 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: to do it and how another team could be able 596 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: to do it. A lot has to go right, a 597 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: lot you have to get right. And that's kind of 598 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: our point is that you know, worst to first may 599 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,959 Speaker 1: look like very you know, awesome or wow you on 600 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: their pro football reference page, but if you get into 601 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: what it took to have that happen, uh, it can 602 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: be a bit more complicated. So with that said, I 603 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: think we've answered another great truth about honestly, Honestly, Scott 604 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: best of luck writing the headline for this podcast, because 605 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: I I'm thinking about what I'm gonna write the headline 606 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: for the written version of this, and I truly have 607 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: no idea because people are going to misconstrue so many, like, 608 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: so many different ways that we write this because we 609 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: don't want to get ratio man, we don't want to 610 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: get wait, that's all we want. We want to get 611 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: ratioed on Twitter. That's our dream and our goal. 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Zoom is telling me that the whole 620 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: thing is gonna shut down in three minutes and forty 621 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: five seconds, So nontheless, we're gonna get out of here. 622 00:32:38,160 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We'll talk to you again next week.