1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Frye. 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: Not long ago, we talked about the Insular Cases, and 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: I mentioned that there was one particular case that I 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: wanted to spend more time on. I'd kind of done 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: the thing where I was like, I wish this whole 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 2: episode were about this one case that was Gonzalas versus Williams, 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: which the US Supreme Court decided in nineteen oh four. 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: So some scholars consider this to be one of the 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: Insular cases. 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: Others don't. 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: There are just lots of different ways of grouping and 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: looking at all those decisions. There were a couple of 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: reasons why it really caught my attention while I was 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: researching that earlier episode. One is that most of the 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: Insular cases were about goods and tariffs, the first ones 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: to be decided, or some times called the Insular tariff cases. 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: That's how much the focus was on tariffs. This one, though, 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: was not about goods. It was about a person and 21 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: her family. And this was also the first time that 22 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court really looked at the question of Puerto 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: Rican's citizenship status. Although as we were going to talk 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: about they looked at the question, they didn't decide on 25 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 2: an answer to it. 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: So we're not going to go back over the entirety 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: of the insular cases since our episode on those came 28 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: out just a few weeks ago, but just for a 29 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: brief refresher, this was a collection of US Supreme Court 30 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: cases decided after the Spanish American War related to territory 31 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: that the US had acquired in the Caribbean and the 32 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: Pacific at the time. That included Puerto Rico, the Philippines, Guam, Hawaii, 33 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: and part of the Samoan Archipelago. 34 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: Prior to this, whenever the United States acquired new territory, 35 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: it was just taken for granted that that territory would 36 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: ultimately become one or more states. But these court decisions 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: established the idea that, unlike all the other territory that 38 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 2: the US had acquired before these islands were unincorporated, their 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: status as a territory was not a temporary stop on 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: the way to becoming a state. They could remain territories indefinitely. 41 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: They belonged to the United States, but were not fully 42 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: part of it, The Court described these territories as home 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: to quote, alien races, and their citizens were not considered 44 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: US citizens or entitled to all the same constitutional rights 45 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: that US citizens were. 46 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: The first batch of insular cases was decided in nineteen 47 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: oh one, and the cases that followed continued to revise 48 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: and clarify how the Court interpreted the status of these 49 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: territories and the people who lived there. Gonzales versus Williams 50 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: was decided in nineteen oh four and it involved the 51 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: case of Isabelle Gonzalez, who had been born in Puerto 52 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: Rico in eighteen eighty two. When Isabel was born, Puerto 53 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: Rico was under Spanish control, and Spain made a distinction 54 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: between peninsulares or people born on the Iberian Peninsula, and creolos, 55 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: or people of Spanish descent born in its colonies. People 56 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: born in Puerto Rico were considered Spanish subjects unless their 57 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: father was a Spanish citizen, either born on the peninsula 58 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: or nationalized. 59 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 2: The Spanish American War took place when Isabel Gonzalez was 60 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: about sixteen, and after the war ended, Spain seeded Puerto 61 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: Rico to the United States. The US also gained control 62 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: of Guam and the Philippines, and Cuba became an independent nation, 63 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: although it was initially occupied by the United States. The 64 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: Treaty of Peace between Spain and the US that formally 65 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: ended this war was very careful in how it talked 66 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: about the people who were living in what had been 67 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: Spanish territory. Spanish subjects who were native to the peninsula 68 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: and were living in the seeded territory were allowed to 69 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: stay and retain all their property in business, and to 70 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: retain their Spanish citizenship if they declared their intent to 71 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: do so in court within a year, but quote the 72 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: civil rights and political status of the native inhabitants of 73 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: the territories hereby ceded to the United States shall be 74 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: determined by the Congress. Congress didn't determine the civil rights 75 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: and political status of the native inhabitants of those territories 76 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: right away, though. In terms of Puerto Rico, President William 77 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: McKinley signed the Forker Act or the Organic Act of 78 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 2: nineteen hundred into law on April second of nineteen hundred. 79 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: The Foriker Act came up in our episode on the 80 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: Insular Cases because one of its provisions was a tariff 81 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 2: on goods moving between Puerto Rico and the United States, 82 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: so in that case, the Supreme Court was looking at 83 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: the whether that tariff was constitutional. The Forker Act also 84 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: set up a civilian government for Puerto Rico, and in 85 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: section seven the Act read quote, all inhabitants continuing to 86 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: reside therein who were Spanish subjects on the eleventh day 87 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: of April eighteen hundred and ninety nine, and then resided 88 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: in Puerto Rico, and their children born subsequent there too, 89 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: shall be deemed and held to be citizens of Puerto Rico, 90 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: and as such entitled to the protection of the United States. 91 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 2: Accept such as shall have elected to preserve their allegiance 92 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,679 Speaker 2: to the Crown of Spain on or before the eleventh 93 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: day of April nineteen hundred, in accordance with the provisions 94 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: of the Treaty of Peace between the United States and 95 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: Spain entered into on the eleventh day of April eighteen 96 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety nine, And they, together with such citizens 97 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 2: of the United States as may reside in Puerto Rico, 98 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 2: shall constitute a body politic under the name of the 99 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: People of Puerto Rico, with governmental powers as hereafter conferred, 100 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: and with power to sue and be sued as such. 101 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: In other words, when the Four Car Act went into effect, 102 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: Isabelle Gonzalez was legally a citizen of Puerto Rico, but 103 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: the law didn't actually say that citizens of Puerto Rico 104 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: were also citizens of the United States, just that they 105 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: were entitled to the protection of the United States. Like 106 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: it didn't specifically say they weren't citizens either, there was 107 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: a vagueness to this. In nineteen hundred, shortly before she 108 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: turned eighteen, Isabelle Gonzalez married Jose Caballero. They had a 109 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: daughter together, who they named Dolores. But then in nineteen 110 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: oh two, Jose died of tuberculosis, and when he died, 111 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 2: Isabel was pregnant with their second child. The sequence of 112 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,239 Speaker 2: events that followed is a little tricky to piece together 113 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: because there's court testimony and personal documents and family lore 114 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: that all contradict one another at some points, but it 115 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: is clear that Isabel Gonzalez didn't think she was going 116 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 2: to be able to support herself and her children by herself. 117 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: Her mother was facing financial hardship as well. Isabel's brother 118 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: Luis had already gone to New York to try to 119 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: find better paying work so he could send money back 120 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: to her. Either Isabel decided to join her brother in 121 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: Staten Island with the hope of finding a better paying 122 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: job there, or she was planning to marry a man 123 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: named Adolfo Vignals, who had moved to New York ahead 124 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: of her to find a job and a place to 125 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: live before she arrived. Either way, Isabel left her daughter 126 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: with her mother and sailed to New York in nineteen 127 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: oh two, at the age of twenty. When she set sail, 128 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: Puerto Ricans were generally being allowed to travel freely between 129 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: Puerto Rico and the United States, but while she was 130 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: on the way to New York, the US Treasury Department 131 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: issued new guidelines for arriving Puerto Ricans, specifically that they 132 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: were quote subject to the same examinations as are enforced 133 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: against people from countries over which the United States claims 134 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: no right of sovereignty, so the examinations being referenced there 135 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: fell under the Immigration Act of eighteen ninety one. This 136 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: law had established the office of Superintendent of Immigration, who 137 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: was an officer of the Treasury Department. If you were thinking, 138 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: why was the Treasury Department having anything to do with this. 139 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: That's why this law required the commanding officers of arriving 140 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: vessels to report the name, nationality, last residence, and destination 141 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: of any quote aliens on board. The law empowered inspection 142 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: officers to remove people from the ships for examination and 143 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 2: to detain them, and it also made the Marine Hospital 144 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: Service responsible for any medical examinations. This law stated that 145 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: quote the following classes of aliens shall be excluded from 146 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: admission into the United States in accordance with the existing 147 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: acts regulating immigration, other than those concerning Chinese laborers. 148 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: These terms are outdated. Heads up all idiots, insane persons, 149 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: paupers or persons likely to become a public charge, persons 150 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: suffering from a loathsome or a dangerous contagious disease, persons 151 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,599 Speaker 1: who have been convicted of a felony or other infamous 152 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: crime or misdemeanor involving moral turpitude, and polygamists. The law 153 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: also barred anyone whose passage had been paid for by 154 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: someone else, with certain exceptions. The law specified that people 155 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: attempting to enter the US unlawfully would ideally be sent 156 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: back on the same ship that they had arrived on. 157 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: As the Bell Gonzalez was refused entry into the United 158 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: States because officials thought she was likely to become a 159 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: public charge, and she was detained at Ellis Island. We 160 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: will have more on that after a sponsor break. In 161 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: addition to the new policies treating Puerto Ricans as aliens 162 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: at port, when Isabel Gonzalez arrived in New York in 163 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: August of nineteen oh two, the Port of New York 164 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: had a newly appointed Commissioner of Immigration that was William Williams. 165 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: Williams was aggressive about turning people away, and in his 166 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: first year in office, he doubled the number of people 167 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: who were excluded at Ellis Island. In particular, he was 168 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: really focused on people he deemed likely to become a 169 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: public charge. He ordered that anyone who was found to 170 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: be traveling with less than ten dollars should face additional scrutiny. 171 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: Women who were pregnant and unmarried faced additional scrutiny as well, 172 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: and single women were allowed entry only if a family 173 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: member came to the port to get them. A lot 174 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 2: of accounts say that Isabel Gonzalez tried to avoid problems 175 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: at port by making sure that she had eleven dollars 176 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: with her and making arrangements ahead of time for her 177 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: family to pick her up when she arrived. It is 178 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: certainly possible that she did both of those things, but 179 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: since Puerto Ricans weren't being treated as aliens at port 180 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: when she left, it's not as clear that she made 181 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: these arrangements because she was anticipating potential problems. Regardless, even 182 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: if she did this, these steps were not enough to 183 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: offset the fact that she was Puerto Rican, unmarried, and 184 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: visibly pregnant, and she was detained when she arrived at 185 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: Ellis Island on August fourth, nineteen oh two. Her case 186 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: was sent to the Board of Special Inquiry, which held 187 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: hearings for people whose immigration status was ambiguous or complicated 188 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 2: in some way. The board usually held these hearings really quickly, 189 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: but they were not public and most people didn't have 190 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: any kind of opportunity for legal representation. Gonzalez's first hearing 191 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: was the next day, and her uncle, Domingo Coyazzo and 192 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: her brother Luis Gonzalez were both there. Coaso had married 193 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: the Gonzalez aunt, Armina, and he had a long history 194 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: as an activist prior to the Spanish American War. Puerto 195 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: Ricans and Cubans had come together to advocate for greater 196 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: autonomy from Spain, and Coyoso had been one of those activists, 197 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: including working in Cuba as a publisher and organizer and 198 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: joining the Cuban Revolutionary Party. After the Spanish American War, 199 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: Cuba had become independent, and many Puerto Rican activists, like 200 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: Cyazo had turned their focus toward advocating for Puerto Rican statehood, 201 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 2: believing that was the best way to secure more political autonomy. 202 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: Coyaso's work as an activist had also connected him to 203 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: Afro Puerto Rican activist and collector Arturo Alfonso Schomberg. We 204 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: covered him on the show in twenty twenty one. Gonzalez's 205 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 2: hearing on August fifth was the first of several, and 206 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: there were some patterns among all of them. US investigators 207 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: based a lot of their questions and their conclusions on 208 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: stereotypes and racist assumptions about Puerto Rico and Puerto Ricans. 209 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: Like a lot of Americans saw Puerto Ricans as lazy 210 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,359 Speaker 2: and promiscuous, so there was a big focus on Gonzalez's 211 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: marital status and whether or not she was capable of 212 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: being a good mother. Also, a lot of focus on 213 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: whether her male relatives could or would support her. Meanwhile, 214 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 2: Gonzales and her family saw her attention at Ellis Island 215 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: as an insult to her honor. Some of their statements 216 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: that these hearings come across as trying to say whatever 217 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: they thought would work to get her released and back 218 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: with her family, even if they were stretching the truth 219 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: a bit to do it. Another thing to note here 220 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: is that Isabel gave birth less than two weeks after 221 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: she was released, so it's also likely that her family 222 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: so her pregnancy as a motivation to just get her 223 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: out of detention as quickly as possible. In that first hearing, 224 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: Gonzalez's uncle and brother focused on the reason she had 225 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: been given for being detained, that she was likely to 226 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: become a public charge. They explained that the father of 227 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: her first child had died, and they described Adolpho Vignal's 228 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: not as her fiance, but as her husband. They said 229 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 2: he wasn't at this hearing because he had to work, 230 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 2: so there's a reason for us not to be there, 231 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: and also that he had a job. Koyazo said that 232 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: he would take care of Gonzalez if for some reason 233 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: Vinals could not Koyazo was a printer and made twenty 234 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: five dollars a week, But the board didn't really seem 235 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 2: to believe any of these arguments, and they really insisted 236 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: that if Gonzalez was married, her husband should be the 237 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: person to come for her. Two days later, Isabel's aunt 238 00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: Ermina testified before the board, once again saying that her husband, Domingoko, 239 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: was making twenty five dollars a week and that they 240 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: would make sure that Isabel was taken care of. This time, 241 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: the board criticized Ermina for coming by herself. Ermina also 242 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: had a job, but. 243 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: The investigators didn't seem to care about her financial contributions 244 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: to the household or how it could help make sure 245 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: Isabel did not become a public charge. Then Isabel's brother 246 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: Luis made another appearance before the board, and this time 247 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: he tried to make an argument that was based on 248 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: an established idea in Spanish law, but which American investigators 249 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: did not find convincing at all. That's the idea of rapto, 250 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: which could encompass both seduction and abandonment under the Spanish 251 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: laws that had previously applied in Puerto Rico. If a 252 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: man seduced a woman under the promise of marriage but 253 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: then did not marry her, her family could press charges, 254 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: and that if he was convicted, he could be ordered 255 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: to either marry her or to pay a fine and 256 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: serve prison sentence. Luis said that as soon as his 257 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: sister was released, their family was going to take her 258 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: to the church to be married, but the board was 259 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: really opposed to this idea, that there was a man 260 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: who was going to be forced to get married without 261 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: his consent. Finally, on August eighteenth, nineteen oh two, Domingo 262 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: Cuyazzo swore out a petition of habeas corpus, which attorney 263 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: Charles E. Labarbier filed with the US Circuit Court for 264 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: the Southern District of New York. Isabel Gonzalez was paroled 265 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: pending the Circuit Court's decision, and on September one, nineteen 266 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: oh two, she gave birth to a daughter named Ava. 267 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: On the birth certificate, Isabel's name is listed as Isabel 268 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: Vignal's and Ava's father is listed as Adolpho Vignal's, a mechanic. 269 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: On October seventh, nineteen oh two, a judge issued the 270 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: Circuit Court's decision regarding Isabel Gonzalez's status that she was 271 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: quote by birth, an alien, and since she had not 272 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: been naturalized, she was still an alien. This meant that 273 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: the Treasury Department could continue to treat Puerto Ricans as 274 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: aliens at port. That's something that the Department also applied 275 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: to Filipinos shortly after this decision came out. But since 276 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: she was now married to Adolpho Vignal's immigration officials really 277 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: no longer had any cause to refuse her entry into 278 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: the United States. A lot of the writing about these 279 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 1: hearings and the Supreme Court case that followed make Isabel 280 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: Gonzalez sound sort of like a passive participant, with various 281 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: officials trying to keep her out of the US and 282 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: lawyers and family members making arguments on her behalf. But 283 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: at this point she could have dropped this whole issue 284 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: since she was now in the US. Instead, she tried 285 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: to use her experience to prove that all Puerto Ricans 286 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: should be considered US citizens, and that meant taking this 287 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. 288 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have like a lot of personal reflections 289 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: from her that I know of, but there is a 290 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 2: lot of evidence that she was like the active instigator 291 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 2: of this effort to bring citizenship to everyone in Puerto Rico, 292 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 2: and we will have more on that after a sponsor break. 293 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 2: Isabelle Gonzalez's detention and the Circuit court decision about her 294 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: citizenship status caught the attention of Federico Degata, a Gonzalez 295 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 2: who was born in Puerto Rico and then studied law 296 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 2: in Madrid. Like Isabelle's uncle Domingo Cliazzo, Degato had been 297 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 2: an advocate for Puerto Rican self government and autonomy prior 298 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 2: to the Spanish American War that included traveling back to 299 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 2: Spain in pursuit of that goal. The Fouricker Act had 300 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: granted Puerto Rico one non voting representative in Congress that 301 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 2: was a Commissioner to the House. Federico Degato was the 302 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 2: first person elected to that role, and he was serving 303 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 2: as commissioner as all of this was happening. One part 304 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: of Degato's campaign platform had been the idea that Puerto 305 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: Ricans were already US citizens and needed to be acknowledged 306 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: as such. Once he was in Washington, d C. He 307 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: had started aggressively looking for ways to push this issue. 308 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 2: He kept an eye out for court cases or other 309 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: legal action involving Puerto Ricans, and his office fielded calls 310 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: from Puerto Ricans in the Caribbean and in North America 311 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 2: about issues related to their civil rights. For his own part, 312 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,719 Speaker 2: he tried to apply for a US passport, which in theory, 313 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 2: would have identified him as a US citizen once it 314 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: was issued. Ultimately, the US passed legislation allowing residents of 315 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 2: the insular territories to be issued US passports, but ones 316 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: that did not identify them as US citizens. 317 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: During his efforts to get a passport, Degato had been 318 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: connected to the law firm of Frederick R. Kudair Junior, 319 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: who specialized in international law. Kudair's father was also a 320 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: prominent lawyer, and both of them were really well connected 321 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: in Washington, d c. And New York. Kudair had been 322 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: one of the attorneys on two of the first insular cases, 323 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: Delima versus Bidwell and Downs versus Bidwell. He had been 324 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: representing people who were suing George R. Bidwell, collector of 325 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 1: the Port of New York, for charging import duties on 326 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: goods that had been imported from Puerto Rico. So it 327 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: makes total sense that both Kudair and Degato would be 328 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: interested in Gonzalez's case and in the possibility of taking 329 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: it to the Supreme Court. Degato had even been protesting 330 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: against the treatment of Puerto Ricans's aliens at US ports 331 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: of entry while Gonzalez was being detained. Kudair and Degato 332 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: joined Paul Fuller and Charles E. Labarbier, who had been 333 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: involved in the Corpus petition. 334 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: Briefs in the case of Isabel Gonzales versus William Williams, 335 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: United States Commissioner of Immigration at the Port of New York, 336 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 2: were submitted to the Supreme Court in late nineteen oh three. 337 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: By that point, Isabel's brother Luis had brought their mother 338 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: and their younger sisters to New York from Puerto Rico, 339 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: and they had also brought Isabel's youngest daughter, Dolores. 340 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: Gonzalez's legal team did not try to argue that Puerto 341 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: Ricans were fundamentally entitled to the same constitutional rights as 342 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: white male citizens of the continental United States. Instead, they 343 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: cited a whole array of previous decisions related to citizenship 344 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: and who was entitled to it, and cases that upheld 345 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: limits on the rights of citizenship, including dread Scott versus Sandford, 346 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: which had decided that enslaved Africans and their descendants were 347 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: not and could not be citizens. That decision was overturned 348 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: by the fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and they also 349 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: argued that their could not be an American alien. We 350 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: should note that this legal team was not arguing broadly 351 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: on behalf of all the residents of all the insular territories. 352 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: They were focused only on the citizenship status of Puerto Ricans. 353 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: This was in part because the idea of citizenship for 354 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: Filipinos was incredibly contentious. As we talked about in our 355 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: episode on the insular cases, if Filipinos became US citizens, 356 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: roughly ten percent of the US population would then be Filipino, 357 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: where a lot of people found that idea incredibly threatening, 358 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: largely because of racism and prejudice. Gonzalez's lawyers also did 359 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: not try to argue that all citizens were entitled to 360 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: the same rights and status through citizenship. For example, women 361 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: could be US citizens but did not have a constitutional 362 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: right to vote. Children were citizens but had very few 363 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: political rights. They were basically building an argument that there 364 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: was already room for Puerto Ricans to be city within 365 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: the definitions of citizen that the United States was already using, 366 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: but then making Puerto Rican citizens would not necessarily confer 367 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: any rights beyond what they were already considered to have. 368 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: They made comparisons to other imperial powers that similarly had 369 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: different classes of citizenship for different groups of people. I 370 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: found a lot of this really hard to read. Of course, 371 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: just as one example, Kud's treatment of indigenous people in 372 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: these arguments could be really dismissive and inaccurate. He sort 373 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: of portrayed them as scattered bands whose disappearance in the 374 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: face of westward expansion was inevitable, and then compared that 375 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: to Puerto Rico's established population of almost a million people. 376 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: So the argument was, of course Puerto. 377 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: Ricans should become citizens, there were hundreds of thousands of 378 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: them in Puerto Rico, but indigenous people in the continental 379 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: US didn't need to be citizens in this argument because 380 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: they were part of other sovereign nations and kind of 381 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: disappearing anyway. It was just there's just a thread through 382 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: a lot of it that's like, yeah, it's fine for 383 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: citizens to not actually be equal. Here's all the ways 384 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: that were already not treating all citizens equally at this point, 385 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: most indigenous people were not considered citizens. 386 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: And that's fine. Yeah, it hurt me a little. Yeah. 387 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: In an amicus brief, Federico Digato approached the idea of 388 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: citizenship for Puerto Ricans from a broader and more personal level. 389 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: He walked through the transfer of Puerto Rico from Spain 390 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: to the United States and argued that by the passage 391 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: of the Foricker Act, Puerto Ricans had acquired citizenship and 392 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: been incorporated into the same body politic as those who 393 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: were already American citizens. He referenced his own role representing 394 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico in the House, noting that he could not 395 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: represent the US citizens living in Puerto Rico if he 396 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: were in alien. He also referenced his own admission to 397 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court Bar, something that was at least theoretically 398 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: only open to US citizens. Yeah, he's sort of like, 399 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: you admitted me to the Supreme Court bar. You only 400 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: do that for citizens, So I must be a citizen. 401 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: Solicitor General Henry M. Hoyt argued on behalf of the 402 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: United States, and his argument as summed up as quote, 403 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: a pellant is not a citizen and is to be 404 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: regarded as an alien within the meaning of the immigration laws. 405 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: It is conceded that the people of Puerto Rico are 406 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: connected with this government by a certain tie distinguishing them 407 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: from other ordinary foreigners, that they may be nationals. But 408 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: this does not operate to confer citizenship. Must Congress have 409 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: intended that all who were not aliens in the strict 410 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: and unrelieved sense should escape the immigration laws, or all 411 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: that who were not citizens should be subject to them. 412 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: The solution of the controversy is dependent solely upon the 413 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: proper construction of the law. The Supreme Court heard oral 414 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: arguments in December of nineteen oh three and issued its 415 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: unanimous decision on January fourth, nineteen oh four. The opinion, 416 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: authored by Chief Justice Melville Fuller, read, in part quote, 417 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: Gonzalez was a native inhabitant of Puerto Rico and a 418 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: Spanish subject, though not of the peninsula when the Session 419 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: transferred her allegiance to the United States, and she was 420 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: a citizen of Puerto Rico under the Act. And there 421 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: was nothing expressed in the Act, nor reasonably to be 422 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: implied therefrom to indicate the intention of Congress that citizens 423 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: of Puerto Rico should be considered as aliens and the 424 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: right of free access denied to them, But the Court 425 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: didn't offer an answer to the question of whether Puerto 426 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: Ricans were US citizens, going on to say, quote, we 427 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: are not required to discuss the power of Congress in 428 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: the premises or the contention of Gonzalez's council that the 429 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 1: Session of Puerto Rico accomplished the naturalization of its people, 430 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: or that of Commissioner Degeto in his excellent argument as 431 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: amicus curia that a citizen of Puerto Rico under the 432 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: Act of nineteen hundred is necessarily a citizen of the 433 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: United States. The question is the narrow one whether Gonzales 434 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: was an alien within the meaning of that term as 435 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: used in the Act of eighteen ninety one. At the 436 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: same time, the Court noted that the Immigration Act of 437 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: eighteen ninety one did not apply to the people of 438 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. Quote, we think it clear that the Act 439 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: relates to foreigners as respects this country, to persons owing 440 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: allegiance to a foreign government and citizens or subjects thereof, 441 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: and that citizens of Puerto Rico whose permanent allegiance is 442 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: due to the United States, who live in the peace 443 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: of the dominion of the United States, the organic law 444 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: of whose domicile was enacted by the United States and 445 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: is in force through officials sworn to support the Constitution 446 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: of the United States, are not aliens, and upon their 447 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: arrival by water at the ports of our mainland, are 448 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: not alien immigrants. Within the intent and meaning of the 449 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: Act of eighteen ninety one, this meant that the Immigration 450 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: Commissioner had no jurisdiction to detain Isabel Gonzales at port, 451 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: and it meant that she had not been obligated to 452 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: pursue her objections through the Superintendent of the Treasury, as 453 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: immigration issues were required to do. The court also noted 454 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: that quote, in order to dispose of the case in hand, 455 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: we do not find it necessary to review the Chinese 456 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: Exclusion Acts and the decisions of this Court thereunder. That 457 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: Act was originally passed in eighteen eighty two and implemented 458 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: a ten year ban of all immigration from China with 459 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: a few exceptions, was renewed in eighteen ninety two and 460 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: made permanent in nineteen oh two. So this ruling did 461 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: not extend citizenship to Puerto Rican like Gonzales and her 462 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: attorneys had hoped that it would, but Gonzales did continue 463 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 1: to advocate for Puerto Ricans in both Puerto Rico and 464 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: the United States after this point. Among other things, both 465 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: she and her uncle Domingo Coyazzo wrote a number of 466 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: letters to the editor that were published in the New 467 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: York Daily Tribute and in the New York Times. In 468 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: a nineteen oh five letter to the editor at the Times, 469 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: Gonzalez asked why the US used tariffs to protect its 470 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: rice exports from Louisiana but not coffee exports from Puerto Rico. 471 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: In another letter that year, she described the United States 472 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: as violently forcing Puerto Rico to abandon customs and traditions 473 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: that had come about from being a Spanish colony for 474 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: hundreds of years, including cock fighting, bullfighting, and relaxing during 475 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: the Sunday Sabbath. She suggested that the US should instead 476 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: follow Britain's model of settling matters related to Hindus and 477 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: Muslims in India through their own respective religious laws. This 478 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: is a pretty optimistic view of Britain's direct rule over India, 479 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: but her point was that the United States was forcibly 480 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: imposing its own laws and customs onto Puerto Rico rather 481 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: than respecting the laws and customs that were already in 482 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: place there. In August of nineteen oh five, Gonzales wrote 483 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: a letter to The Times in which she described loving 484 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: astronomy and how when she lived in Puerto Rico, she 485 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: thought that in the US, the equipment and machinery needed 486 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: to study astronomy would be available to everyone. After coming 487 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: to the US, she was disappointed to find that this 488 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: was not the case, but hoped that a philanthropist in 489 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: the vein of Andrew Carnegie might fund such an endeavor. 490 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: One day in November of nineteen oh six, Gonzales wrote 491 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 2: a letter to the New York Tribune correcting its earlier 492 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: reporting on Puerto Rican citizenship. This letter read quote, Sir, 493 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: permit me to congratulate you upon your article under the 494 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: caption citizenship for Puerto Ricans. It is indeed encouraging and 495 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: refreshing to see an influential paper like the New York 496 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 2: Daily Tribune advocating the reforms which will lift Puerto Rico 497 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 2: from its present anonymous political status to that of a 498 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 2: robust child with a proud name and standing under the 499 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 2: American flag. It is not true, however, as you state 500 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 2: in your leader, that the Puerto Ricans quote are subjected 501 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 2: to our immigration laws as aliens. I happen to be 502 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 2: the cause of the removal of that law as it 503 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 2: was applied to Puerto Rico and Filipinos. The Supreme Court 504 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: of the United States declared it unconstitutional in my case 505 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: Gonzales versus Williams in nineteen oh four, two years after 506 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: I was detained at Ellis Island as an alien libel 507 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: to become a public charge. Four years have elapsed since then, 508 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 2: and the forecast of my jailers has not as yet 509 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: been fulfilled. On the contrary, I am a useful member 510 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: of the Puerto Rican colony of New York, and I 511 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: have lived long enough to see your patriotic tribune pleading 512 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: for the hard working and loyal Puerto Rican New York. 513 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: November twenty third, nineteen oh six. Is the Belle Gonzales. 514 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 2: Most of Gonzalez's letters to newspaper editors seem to have 515 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: been printed in nineteen oh five. In nineteen oh six, 516 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 2: it's possible that changes to her personal and financial situation 517 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: played a part in that she and Adolpho Vignals had 518 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: a son together, Adolpho Junior, as well as a daughter, 519 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: who died in infancy, but eventually Vignal's returned to Puerto Rico, 520 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: apparently abandoning Gonzalez and his son and stepchildren. Isabella's daughter 521 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: Ava started living with the Coyazzos and seems to have 522 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 2: eventually been informally adopted into that family. Dolores was placed 523 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: in an orphanage. 524 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: Her financial situation does seem to have turned around, though, 525 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: and when Isabelle married Juan Torres in nineteen fifteen, their 526 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: marriage documents described each of them as widowed. They eventually 527 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: moved to New Jersey, where she lived until her death 528 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: on June eleventh, nineteen seventy one. There's probably a lot 529 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: more to be discovered about her life outside of this case. 530 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: A lot of what's out there today is thanks to 531 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: the work of historians Sam Erman and Gonzalez's great granddaughter 532 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: Belinda Torres Mary. In twenty eighteen, Ermin. 533 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: Published a book called Almost Citizens Puerto Rico, the US 534 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 2: Constitution and Empire and that looks at this case in 535 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 2: the broader context of Puerto Rican and US history. 536 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventeen, President Woodrow Wilson signed the Jones Schaffroth Act. 537 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: It outlined a bill of Rights for Puerto Rico and 538 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: established a bicameral legislature with a governor appointed by the President. 539 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: This act gave both the Puerto Rican governor and the 540 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: US executive branch veto power over the Puerto Rican legislature's decisions. 541 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: This law also extended statutory citizenship to Puerto Ricans, meaning 542 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: that citizenship came from a law and not from the Constitution. 543 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: So while this law made most people born in Puerto 544 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: Rico citizens of the United States, they still did not 545 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: have all the same constitutional rights and protections as citizens 546 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: born in one of the states. Puerto Rico was also 547 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: still a territory without all the constitutional protections or autonomy 548 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: that applied to the States. 549 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: Two months later, the US passed the Selective Service Act, 550 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 2: was as World War One was happening. This established a 551 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 2: military draft, and that draft also applied to Puerto Ricans, 552 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: and the fact that these two things happened one right 553 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 2: after the other led to an almost conspiracy theory, which 554 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 2: was that the United States had extended citizenship to Puerto 555 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 2: Rico in order to get access to more soldiers as 556 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 2: it prepared to enter the First World War. There are 557 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 2: several problems with that idea, though a big one is 558 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 2: this Act required all men, not just citizens, to register 559 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 2: for the draft, and it ultimately applied to the US 560 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 2: territories of Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico, so Puerto Rican 561 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 2: men would have been required to register for the draft, 562 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 2: regardless of whether Puerto Ricans had first been made citizens. 563 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 2: If you are wondering why that draft did not apply 564 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: to the Philippines, the status of the Philippines was a 565 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 2: little bit different from other territories. Thanks to the Philippine 566 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 2: Autonomy Act of nineteen sixteen, the Philippines established a National 567 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 2: Guard with the intent of its becoming part of the 568 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 2: American Expeditionary Force, and more than fourteen thousand people volunteered, 569 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 2: but the US was reluctant to accept this proposal, and 570 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 2: the war ended before the Philippine National Guard could be federalized. 571 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: And this whole topic of Filipino and Puerto Rican soldiers 572 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 2: during World War One is like a whole other topic. 573 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 2: I feel like there was clearly, like some of the 574 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 2: reluctance of the US to accept these soldiers into the 575 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 2: US Armed Forces was clearly motivated by racism. 576 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: But that's like sort of a whole other thing. There 577 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: were definitely wartime factors involved with extending citizenship to Puerto Ricans, 578 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: including the fact that after the opening of the Panama Canal, 579 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico lay along major shipping routes. But advocates, including 580 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: Domingo Cuiazo, had been trying to get a citizenship law 581 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: passed for years. There was political wrangling over this through 582 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: multiple presidential administrations and sessions of Congress, so it was 583 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: just it was not something that just sort of happened 584 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: out of the blue. Immediately before the passage of the 585 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: Selective Service Act, other laws continued to refine who was 586 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,439 Speaker 1: eligible for citizenship in Puerto Rico until the Nationality Act 587 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty two, which declared that all people born 588 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico on or after January thirteenth, nineteen forty 589 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: one were US citizens at birth. Today, Puerto Rico is 590 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: still considered an unincorporated US territory with one non voting 591 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: commissioner in the House of Representatives, and Puerto Rico does 592 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: not have delegates in the Electoral College during presidential life elections. 593 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: As we talked about in that Insular Cases episode, this 594 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: applies to just like so many things involving just daily 595 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: life in Puerto Rico. And as a final note, in 596 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: that episode on the Insular Cases, we talked about Fittisimanu 597 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: versus United States, which was a case on the question 598 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: of birthright citizenship for American Samoans which the US Supreme 599 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: Court declined to hear in twenty twenty two. Descendants of 600 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: Dred Scott and Isabelle Gonzalez filed an amicus brief in 601 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: this case. Specifically that was Lynn M. Jackson, great great 602 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: granddaughter of Dredd and Harriet Scott, and Belinda trres Mary, 603 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: great granddaughter of isabel Gonzalez, who we mentioned earlier. Their 604 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: petition was in support of the American Samoan petitioners who 605 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: were calling for birthright citizenship and the overturning of the 606 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: Insular cases. Oh so much legal doings. Uh huh. Do 607 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: you have listener mail to take us out? I do. First, 608 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,919 Speaker 1: I have a super quick correction. A couple of people 609 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: have pointed out that at the end of our episode 610 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: on Lcoricia of Winchester, when we were talking about the 611 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: unveiling of her statue. Mm hmmm, we were talking about 612 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: how the current King of the UK, King Charles the Third, 613 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: was supposed to be there for that unveiling, but was 614 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: not there because he had COVID. I called him Charles 615 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: the second It's right in the outline, and I didn't 616 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: catch it, and neither of us caught it. 617 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 2: I had a particularly hard time saying the correct words 618 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 2: during the recording of that episode, and later realized that 619 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 2: I also had COVID. I feel like like my mind 620 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 2: and body were just sort of like slowly coming offline 621 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 2: as we were recording that. So thank you to the 622 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 2: people who pointed that out. I just like said the 623 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 2: totally wrong thing. And also we have email from Marci. 624 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 2: Marcy says, Hi, Holly and Tracy. I'm a teacher spending 625 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 2: my summer break getting caught up on past episodes I 626 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 2: missed during school year. Today, while fixing dinner, I was 627 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 2: listening to the Scott Joplin episode. 628 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: I found the inclusion of the maple leaf rags so charming. However, 629 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: when I listened to the pod, I listened at one 630 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: point five x speed. The effect on the pace of 631 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: the music caused me to giggle and brought a Charlie 632 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: Chaplin esque scene to mind. I had to stop cooking, 633 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,479 Speaker 1: turn the speed back to one X and then listen 634 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: again to really take it in. Thank you for all 635 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: of your hard work and research. As I teach, I 636 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: find myself telling my middle school students. I listened to 637 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: a podcast about that once. It sort of turned into 638 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: a great way to get the whole class to roll 639 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: their eyes simultaneously. When I geek out over history or 640 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: science during class discussions, the kids asked if I learned 641 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: factoids I share in a podcast. Anyway, here's my offering 642 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,439 Speaker 1: of our furry family member, Stella. She is a mini 643 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: satin rabbit and spends summer's home with me in the 644 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: school year in my classroom, hopping around between desks and 645 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: over the feet of teenagers. The summer, she has tested 646 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 1: her athletic prowess by jumping on top of various furniture pieces. 647 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: Today she contemplated jumping to the top of my children's bookshelf. 648 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: She thought better of it. Anyhow, keep up the excellent work. 649 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what topics come up with 650 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: my class discussions this year that allow me to pull 651 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: out my catchphrase and get the eyes rolling. Marcie number one, 652 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 1: what a beautiful bunny rabbit. 653 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 2: Buddies are so sweet. I want a pet stella so 654 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 2: much she looks so so soft. Also, this act or 655 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 2: intentionally listened at one point five speed really cracked me 656 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 2: up for two reasons. One is that we talked uh 657 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 2: in that episode about Scott Joplin's strong feelings that his 658 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 2: music not be played too fast, and so the idea 659 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 2: of listening to it at one and a half speed 660 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 2: made me laugh. And then also I was listening to 661 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 2: an old episode recently to make sure it was going 662 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 2: to be okay to use as a Saturday classic, and 663 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 2: somehow my phone, which was in my pocket with the 664 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 2: screen off, suddenly shifted into one point twenty five speed, 665 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 2: which was just enough that I thought I was like 666 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 2: I did, did we drink too much coffee? 667 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 1: Like what's happening? It took me a second to realize 668 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: what had happened. 669 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 2: So anyway, there's no such thing as too much coffee, Trasa. 670 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 2: So thank you so much, Marci, thank you for these pictures. 671 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 2: I love the story. Thanks again to the folks who 672 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 2: corrected us about saying Charles the second instead of Charles 673 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 2: the third. 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