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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, I'm welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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Speaker 1: um Josh, Malcolm Clark. There's Charles Wayne Bryant. This is

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Speaker 1: stuff you should know about cabbage Patch kids who have

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Speaker 1: two names, which is why I just did that. That's right. This, uh,

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Speaker 1: remarkably the third time we've talked about cabbage Patch kids

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Speaker 1: on this show. I only remember one other time. When

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Speaker 1: was the When was the third time or the second time?

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Speaker 1: I guess, well, the last time was not even a

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Speaker 1: year ago. Um on our on our episode on must

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Speaker 1: Have Christmas Gifts. And then that's all I remember. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then while I was telling the story of my

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Speaker 1: cabbage Patch kid experience, he said, yes, you've told everyone

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Speaker 1: third time that we hear these stories. I thought you

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Speaker 1: didn't have a cabbage Patch kid, so you don't remember

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Speaker 1: the other two times I told the story. No, you

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Speaker 1: gotta tell it again. It's called it's called a hat

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Speaker 1: trick baby. Uh yeah. He My sister has one of

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Speaker 1: the first, like seventy five of them, of the little

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Speaker 1: people dolls. Oh wow, that she bought when she was

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Speaker 1: a kid. Now, I now I know why it didn't

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Speaker 1: stick with me because I didn't understand what the heck

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Speaker 1: you were talking about. Now I totally get it, and

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Speaker 1: I think it will stay with me forever, Chuck, when

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Speaker 1: we do our fourth, fifth, and sixth podcasts on Cabbage

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Speaker 1: Patch Kids, I will be the one telling that story.

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Speaker 1: How about that? Well, and you also told the story

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Speaker 1: of yours that you uh ripped the head off and

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Speaker 1: gave it a mohawk. Yeah, yours, Webberdno met a pretty

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Speaker 1: terrible demise. And I have two of them myself that

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Speaker 1: my mom every once in a while says, hey, do

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Speaker 1: you want these? And I say, no, I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't think they're worth much money. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: even though if my Sisters is worth a lot of

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Speaker 1: money now, even though it's hand signed and one of

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Speaker 1: the first ones, I just I don't think the market

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Speaker 1: was HER's a colliqo Little People or as Xavier Roberts

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Speaker 1: like original Appalachian artworks, um Little People know hers was

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Speaker 1: one of the handmaid Xavier Roberts Kraft Fair dolls. I

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Speaker 1: think those go for like one to maybe two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: it's the original Xavier Roberts little people. But UM, we're

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Speaker 1: probably getting ahead of ourselves a little bit because some

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Speaker 1: people are probably like, what's the cabbage patch kid? Right,

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Speaker 1: So well we'll tell everybody what a cabbage patch kid is.

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Speaker 1: It's a little doll that UM was a huge, huge

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Speaker 1: deal in the Christmas of EREE and like Chuck said,

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Speaker 1: we talked about this on UM. I guess it was

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Speaker 1: It was just Christmas toys. Okay, gotcha, gotcha? UM, So

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Speaker 1: with me this year that he didn't last year. But

428
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: he's holding a baseball bat very famously. But if you

429
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: listen to what he's doing, shouting at the customers, he's like,

430
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: shut up, listen to May. And he's like waiving this

431
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: baseball bat and there's this crowd of people filling every

432
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: available inch of this. This department store wanting cabbage patch kids,

433
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: and this guy decides that the way to satisfy the

434
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: need is to just start tossing them into the crowd.

435
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: So the crowd is like Joscelyn going crazy trying to

436
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: catch these cabbage patch kids while the manager of the

437
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: department store screaming at them holding a baseball bat. It's

438
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: one of the worst forms of crowd management anyone's ever

439
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: attempted ever. And it was caught on film and you

440
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: got to see it yourself. He was uh uh, he

441
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: wasn't doing his best work that day. I think that's

442
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: a lot of times the UM the problems were so

443
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: big that they didn't even want people in the stores.

444
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: So they would say, like, we can't have another fist

445
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: fight in here. So what you do is you can

446
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: arrive and get a coupon and then you go around

447
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: back to the loading dock and we'll distribute them there. Um.

448
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: The secondary market started booming. There are actual stores that

449
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: were buying them up and then marking them up, and

450
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: then there was the black market that really really marked

451
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: them up. UM. And this was not w KRP in Cincinnati,

452
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: but it was very much in that rich tradition of

453
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: of DJ's um kind of conning people into acting like fools.

454
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: And this happened in Milwaukee, Wisconsin when um, some local

455
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: DJs there said there's gonna be a beat twenty six

456
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: bomber plane and it's gonna drop two thousand dolls over

457
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: the Brewers Baseball Stadium and all you gotta do is

458
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: show up with your baseball glove to catch these babies

459
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: and hold up your credit cards so the pilot can

460
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: take a picture and charge you for it. And of

461
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: course this is the dumbest thing you've ever heard, but

462
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: that still didn't stop a couple of dozen people from

463
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: showing up with their baseball glove and credit card. Yeah,

464
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: and negative seven degree wind chill, which is very cold.

465
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: If you're in the centigrade parts of the world, that's

466
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: very cold. Um, they're used to it, I guess so. UM.

467
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: But the the yeah, the fact that people would would

468
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: do that is it's like, I double check to make

469
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: sure that that wasn't an urban legend and it definitely

470
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: is not. Like that was that really did happen in

471
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: Milwaukee in three That was like the level of the

472
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: craze reached UM and what's really to Collico's credit is

473
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: they managed to keep the party going for a full

474
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: another year because in Christmas, cabbage Patch Kids were again

475
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: the must have toy, and in just four own not

476
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: Christmas seas, in four that year, they sold two billion

477
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: dollars worth of Cabbage Patch Kids in nineteen eighty four. Money. Yeah,

478
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: I mean, this was I think. One of the things

479
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: that made it truly unique is like I said, the

480
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: rub Excue was really hot for a few years. But generally,

481
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: as these things go, it's sort of like that you

482
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: can count on the one Christmas season. If you're overlapping

483
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: to the next Christmas season, that is a grand slam

484
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: home run as far as toys go. Absolutely so. One

485
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: of the one of the outcomes of that of of

486
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: being a toy that managed manages to span two Christmas

487
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: seasons that at thoroughly um as they become you know,

488
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: iconic and they start popping up in other places like um.

489
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: There was one named Christopher Xavier who's a very famous

490
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: cabbage Patch kid, I guess, as as cabbage Patch kids

491
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: can be famous. Um. And he actually rode on the

492
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: Space Shuttle on a on a genuine legit NASA Space

493
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: Shuttle mission in um and that reminds me, Chuck, have

494
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: you seen the mini duck about um about the Challenger? No?

495
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: Not yet. It's good. Oh boy, it is really good.

496
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's a it's a high high caliber documentary

497
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: to begin with, but then like the emotionality that it

498
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: manages to dredge up is really It's a really well

499
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: done documentary and every every way. I highly recommend it.

500
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: Where's that showing that one's on Netflix? I believe I'm

501
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: almost positive, and I think it's just called Challenger and

502
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: then probably cole in something. But um, it's good. It was.

503
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: It's by uh. I think j J isn't bad. Robot

504
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: j J Abrams production company. They did it. They were

505
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: one of the companies that that handled it. But it

506
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: was It's very good. I did watch a Nola Holmes

507
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: on your recommendation. Yes, what do you think? I liked

508
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: it a lot. It was good. It was just a good, breezy, light,

509
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: fun movie to watch, which is just what we needed

510
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: to the night we watched it, for sure. And and

511
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: but it was smart too, wasn't it? Yeah? It was

512
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: it was smart enough and she's just great Milly Bobby

513
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: brown is. She's just she's got a lot of personality

514
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: and lovable charismas so she's she's great to watch and

515
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: it's fun to see her outside of playing eleven with

516
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: all her personality able to come out like that. Yeah. Well,

517
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm very glad that you liked it, because I think

518
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: we would have had some sort of awkward wedge between

519
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: us for the rest of our lives. You know, you

520
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: haven't seen the Octopus stock yet, now I did. Okay,

521
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: So I think if if we're going to talk about octopus,

522
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: my octopus teacher, you should just turn down your volume

523
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: for about a minute and you won't have it spoiled.

524
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, fair enough? And actually I think

525
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: that guy is terrible. I think it's a terrible human

526
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: being for not rescuing his companion friend for on two

527
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: different occasions. Really, yes, And I know that he's a

528
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: documentary and so they're not supposed to interfere. I've scene

529
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: drop dead gorgeous. I know the rules, but this is different.

530
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: He crossed the line. He crossed boundaries when he became

531
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: friends with that octopus. He stopped being a documentary and

532
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: started being his friend, and then he as his friend

533
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: wasn't there for his friend when it was attacked, not once,

534
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: but twice. And I really dislike that guy for that reason. Oh. Interesting,

535
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: Well I don't concur but I guess. Uh, that's part

536
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: of the beauty of that movie. You can have different,

537
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: different takes. So but there's not a gulf between us,

538
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: a wedge between us, now, is there? I mean, did

539
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: you hate the documentary? No, otherwise thought it was amazing, Right, Well,

540
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: then there's no amazing. It really was, really was great

541
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: except for the that one thing. Um, So let's see

542
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: back to Cabbage Patch Kids. There's another kind of landmark

543
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: they reached when they became I think maybe Christopher Xavier

544
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: became the official mascot of the U S Olympic team

545
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: and got to go to Barcelona with him. Yeah, I mean,

546
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: this is pretty impressive. This is ten plus years after

547
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: these things were the hot ticket, you know, um, which

548
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: is crazy crazy time. Um. They were on a postage stamp. Um. Eventually,

549
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: of course, though his star not his star. It was

550
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: more than Christopher Xavier, but their collective star was going

551
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: to fade. Like all toys and all dolls, We've all

552
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: seen toy story. We knows what happened. We know what

553
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: happens in the end. Um. It never completely went away though,

554
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: they you know, Colleco. And then eventually was like, you know,

555
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: we got to offload these guys. We're gonna sell it.

556
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: We're in the video game industry like big time. Um,

557
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: and so we gotta have you heard of pac Man? Well,

558
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: the video game industry starts tanking, so they're trying to

559
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: guess recoup some money on their investments. So they sell

560
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: the Cabbage Patch Kid license. Uh. And then you know,

561
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: this is not before trying a few things they tried

562
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: like talking Cabbage Patch Kids uh and stuff like that.

563
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: But eventually they went bankrupt in the eighties and the

564
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: license moved on to different people over the years. Mattel,

565
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: has Bro Toys are us, and then right now it's

566
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: owned by play Along, Inc. Which it just seems like

567
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: those are It seems like there's a lot of toy

568
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: companies named weird things like that. Now. I agree, I agree,

569
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: and I find it unsettling, like their slogans should be

570
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: We're watching you. It just seems like we talked about

571
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: this a lot, like there's still the giants like Hasbro

572
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: and Mattel, But I feel like when we've done our

573
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: toy podcast, it seems like the newer ones they don't

574
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: have these sort of name brands that you that you

575
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: think of as toys. No, I know, they all sound

576
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: like Russian fronts. It's really weird and unsettling and kind

577
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: of off putting in all the seas are ks. It's

578
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: really strange. It's very sinister. So yeah, along the along

579
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: the lines, like all of these companies were like, we

580
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: gotta figure out a way to capture lightning in a

581
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: bottle again. Um, a second time. That just doesn't happen.

582
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: It's hard enough the first time. Um. And so they

583
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: tried different things, like you said, Colico tried that talking

584
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: one didn't work. Um. I think Hasbro had one that swam,

585
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: which is kind of impressive. Um. And then Mattel had

586
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: one that they had to withdraw. It was called, um

587
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: Cabbage Patch snack time kids. And they these things would

588
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: like eat like they came with like French fries or something,

589
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: and you'd put like the French by in their mouth

590
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: and they'd start chewing and the French five would go

591
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: down their throat and actually come out the back of

592
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: their head and fall into their backpack and then you

593
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: could feed it to them again, which is great and fine,

594
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 1: but if you're a little kid and you get your

595
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: fingers in there, your hair in there, that cabbage patch

596
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: dolls just kind of keep eating and eating, and you're

597
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: going to start screaming and your parents are going to

598
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: be like, I don't want this doll anymore, give me

599
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 1: my money back. Yeah, And these things also declined in quality.

600
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: Um think of the mid nineties. Mattel shrunk them even

601
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: more down to four teen inches and they were like,

602
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: forget these cloth bodies even We're gonna make the whole

603
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: thing vinyl. Uh. And people didn't like that at all.

604
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: And it took I think the twentie anniversary in two

605
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: thousand three. It took Toys r Us, who took over

606
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: the rights at that point, to um jack these things

607
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: back up to eighteen inches. Um, they had cloth bodies. Uh.

608
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: I think they had an eighteen inch in a twenty in.

609
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: And then they finally brought back those cloth bodies, which

610
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: were a big deal, and they m debuted him at

611
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: their flagship store in New York City and they sort

612
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: of recaptured the magic a little bit. Uh. And it's

613
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: about this time, and I think a year later as

614
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: when play Along licensed it. But it's about this time

615
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: that people started buying them again a little bit for nostalgia,

616
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: Like kids that grew up with them were now buying

617
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: them for their kids, and I think, you know they

618
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: sold Okay, it's nothing like they were at first, but

619
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: they're still around. Yeah, and I play a long ink

620
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: if that is there real name was very wise to

621
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: basically recreate the original three style cabbage Patch kids, like

622
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: they're basically indistinguishable from the ones that that the people

623
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: who are buying them now for their kids had when

624
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: they were kids. And it's, like you said, it's all

625
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: nostalgi and they're they're doing pretty good trade on it

626
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: with without having to reinvent the wheel. That's right. A

627
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: little quick stat before we take a break, that is remarkable.

628
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: Over the past thirty two years, there have been a

629
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million of these babies born, which would

630
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: make if they were real little people, it would make

631
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: them the tenth most populous country in the world, with

632
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: one being born every six point eight seconds. But having

633
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: said that, we're gonna take a little break, and right

634
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: after this we're going to tell you the true origin

635
00:35:50,520 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: story of the Little People. Okay, Chuck, I'm curious, why

636
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: did you say true like that? Well, if you listen

637
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: to the show a year ago, it's already ruined. But uh,

638
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: we didn't go into that much depth. Um, here's what

639
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: really happened, though. Xavier Roberts ripped off a lady. It's

640
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: the easiest way to say it. There was a very

641
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: kind hearted, soft spoken folk artist named Martha Nelson Thomas

642
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: went to art school in the seventies. She experimented with

643
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: the same exact German soft sculpture molding, and she created

644
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: what was called little doll babies. If you google Martha

645
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: Nelson Thomas Little Dolls, and you see this very fame

646
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: now famous picture when you know, hasn't been swept under

647
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: the rug by Xavier Roberts people and maybe Calico's people,

648
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: This black and white picture of this woman surrounded by

649
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: what are clearly and obviously cabbage patch kids. Yes, and

650
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: there's actually funny enough. There's another famous picture of Xavier

651
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: Roberts taken um probably about ten years after that, and

652
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: he's surrounded by straight up cabbage patch kids, you know,

653
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: with the vinyl heads and everything. But that that the

654
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: fact that that picture was taken to Martha Nelson Tom

655
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: Nelson Thomas is photographic documentary evidence that she is the

656
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: person who came up with cabbage Patch Kids. Not cabbage

657
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: Patch Kids, but what cabbage Patch Kids were based on.

658
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: And if that were it, if that were the photo,

659
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: if that was the only evidence whatsoever, you'd be like,

660
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: that's a I don't know. People can have similar ideas.

661
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: You know, there's only one you know, old German technique

662
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: called needle molding. Other people could have found it, but

663
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: that is not the only evidence. And in fact, Xavier

664
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: Roberts has gone on public record saying that he was

665
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: inspired by Martha Nelson Thomas, but he changed it enough.

666
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: But if you go and look at the actual story

667
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: and the facts along the way, and there's actually a

668
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: pretty good sixteen minute long vice documentary on this whole thing,

669
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: um that that you will see that it went way

670
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: beyond him just being inspired by Martha Nelson Thomas's work,

671
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: and in fact, like you said, he basically ripped her off. Yeah,

672
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: so he Um, from what I could tell, and there's

673
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of different sort of versions of this online,

674
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: but from what I saw is they actually did have

675
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: an agreement early on that he would sell these for her. Uh.

676
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: He said, hey, these are great. Can I take some

677
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: of these to my gift shops and um sell them

678
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: for you? And I think I could sell a lot

679
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: more than you could. And for a little while they

680
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: did have an agreement, but as it turns out, he

681
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: ended up marking them up and charging too much money,

682
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: and she wasn't happy about that. She was like, no,

683
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: they shouldn't cost forty it's you know, it's night for

684
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: God's sake, and that's a doll. Uh. And he's like, yeah,

685
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: but what do you think this is? Unicois State Park?

686
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: Their handmade and uh, you know, you should put a

687
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: value on on your talents. And they had a disagreement

688
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: about that, and she said, you know what, forget it.

689
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: I don't want you to sell these anymore. He follows

690
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: up with a letter saying, well, you know what, if

691
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: you don't let me sell your dolls, I'm He basically said,

692
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna start making my own. And that's exactly

693
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: what he did. Supposedly, he wrote her a letter and

694
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: I don't remember who mentions it in the Vice documentary,

695
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 1: but basically they said that in the letter, he said,

696
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: if I can't sell your dolls, I will sell something

697
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: just like them, And she apparently was like whatever, just

698
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: went her own way. She was satisfied to have her

699
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: dolls back and probably thought she was done with the matter.

700
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: And then supposedly one of her friends said, Hey, I

701
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: saw your little doll babies for sale at the Atlanta Airport.

702
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: Way to go. She said, I'm not selling these at

703
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Airport. And apparently that's and she knew she

704
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: had a big problem on her hands and found out

705
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: that Xavier Roberts had come up with the little people

706
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: dolls UM that were just the spinning image of her

707
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: little doll babies. Yeah, so she um filed a lawsuit

708
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: that went on for for years. I think by the

709
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: time they were selling out in stores in three she

710
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: was about seven years into this lawsuit. And for her,

711
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: it wasn't She asked her, I think a million dollars,

712
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: but she said it wasn't about the money. She was like,

713
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to see this um as a commodity,

714
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be ripped off, and I

715
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: don't want this guy to come along and basically not

716
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: have the same respect for these little dolls that I had,

717
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: and if you look at the court case, you think,

718
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, open and shut. She's got this picture from

719
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: seventy five. They had a prior relationship. She's got this letter,

720
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: uh that says where he basically says he's going to

721
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: rip her off. But she didn't copyright these things. And

722
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: you would have had to copy, right because they were

723
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: all handmade and they were all, um I guess, unique

724
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: into themselves. You would have had to copyright and sign

725
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: or stamp each doll, and she didn't want to do that,

726
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: and he had no problem doing it. Ours little Chuck

727
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: has an Xavier Robert's hand signature on his butt if

728
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: you pull down his little quarturoy shorts. Yeah, it's one

729
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: of the famous things about cabbage patch kids, aside from

730
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: their distinctive faces, is that each one of them has

731
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: Xavier Robert's signature stamped onto its butt. And I guess

732
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: Martha Nelson Thomas was like, there's no place to put

733
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: a signature on a child, and these are like children

734
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: to me. That's why I adopt him out rather than

735
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: sell them. Um, so I'm not going to sign this,

736
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna copyright him and that basically, so you

737
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: would think it would have sunk her case. And after um,

738
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: almost eight years, Um Xavier Roberts finally said, okay, fine,

739
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: let's settle this. I suspect it had to do with um.

740
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: He sold out at some point in the eighties he

741
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: sold his his portion, and I would guess he probably

742
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: needed that court case to go away to finalize that sale,

743
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: and for whatever the reason in he was suddenly ready

744
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: to settle, and they settled for an undisclosed sum that

745
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: apparently Martha Nelson Thomas was satisfied with. Yeah, And he

746
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: also said, and hey, lady, you say you can't copyright

747
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: these things, you can sign it right next to their

748
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: little butt hole. Right. He sounded cockney there for a second,

749
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: cockney Like I started to getting nervous, like, oh my god,

750
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: why does he sound cockney? And then you pulled it

751
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: out with the real Appalachian Mountain folk twist at the

752
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: end there. Yeah, So he, uh, he settled, and ship

753
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: was enough money to put her kids through college. She said, Uh,

754
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: it's still sort of a sad story to me that

755
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: you know that that this you know man came along

756
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: and ripped off this lady's design and then later on

757
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: complained that he was getting ripped off. He complained about

758
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: knockoffs and said, you know my point, it's not not

759
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: take my product to my creation and tarnish it. Yeah,

760
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: which was pretty audacious because he said this, like, you know,

761
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: I believe it right when he was settling with this

762
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: other case in which a part of the settlement was

763
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: he had to acknowledge that that he had taken her

764
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: idea UM and for him to to be complaining about

765
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: this on TV, it was a little audacious, especially if

766
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: you know that you know the full story. But the

767
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: even though it was an open secret or at least

768
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: even a widely known tale in the toy industry and

769
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: even some parts of the press, even still today, everybody

770
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: thinks of Xavier Roberts is the the creator of Cabbage

771
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: Patch Kids. And technically he was um because he he

772
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: came up with Cabbage Patch Kids, and Martha Nelson Thomas

773
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: came up with um little doll babies, and he sold

774
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: it to uh, well, he didn't come up with Cabbage

775
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: Patch Kids. He sold it to Pacman, and pac Man

776
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: named him cabbage Patch Kids. Yeah, I guess, so I

777
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: hadn't thought about that. So one of the groups he

778
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: was complaining about was tops trading cards, Tops trading cards

779
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 1: around the the still in the height of the average

780
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: patch kid, crates In came out with one of the

781
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: greatest parodies anyone's ever come out, with the beloved garbage

782
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: Pale Kids series. Yeah. I didn't, Uh, I wouldn't into these.

783
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: I was a little too old, certainly, I was. I

784
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: was fourteen. I certainly remember them in uh the Zeitgeist,

785
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: and I knew it was a very big deal, but

786
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: this was probably more for kids, probably around your age.

787
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: I imagine you were probably into these, right, I loved

788
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: garbage pill Kids. I believe that you had a pretty

789
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: impressive garbage pill kid collection herself. And she actually, yeah,

790
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: she actually bought me. Um, a couple of garbage Pail

791
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: Kids I have somewhere. UM. I think one is Squash Josh.

792
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: I can't remember the other one. But they are for

793
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: the people who don't know what the garbage pail Kid is.

794
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: Go look up g p K dot com and I

795
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: think it's like g E E p e k a

796
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: y dot com. Not sure, but um, they have every

797
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: single series scanned, so you can see all fifteen series

798
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: that came out between and they're just awesome. But they're

799
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: basically like, um, if garbage if cabbage Patch Kids were

800
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: meant to get his used to what mutant offspring of

801
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 1: nuclear war survivors would look like. Um, garbage pail Kids

802
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: were the mutated version of that. Yeah, that's a good

803
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: way to say it. They were. They were deformed, and

804
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: they were plagued and diseased. And they had names like

805
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: Adam Bomb and bony Tony and I guess squash Josh

806
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: and uh roomy Umi. I don't know. No, they didn't.

807
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: They didn't have names for everyone, but um, it was.

808
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: It was a big deal. They sold a ton of them,

809
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: and Xavier Roberts was was not happy with this and

810
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: I think ended up um in the lawsuit being successful

811
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: in getting them just to change enough to where it

812
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: didn't look like it was officially tied to the Cabbage

813
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: Patch Kids. Yeah. Like they had the cat you know

814
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: where how it says like on the box for the

815
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: Cabbage Patch Kid. It's like in a banner kind of

816
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: like semicircle banner. They had that originally as garbage pail Kids.

817
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: They had to turn that into a straight bar. They

818
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: made them look less like lifelike and more like plastic dolls.

819
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: In the later series, there are a few changes, but

820
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: I mean it was still pretty clear what the whole

821
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: thing was a riff off of. But one thing I

822
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: didn't realize is that one of the um art directors

823
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: who helped conceptualize Garbage pill Kids from the outset was

824
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: Art Spiegelman, who created Mouse. Yeah, did you know that?

825
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard of Art Spielman, but I really

826
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: don't know anything about him, So I didn't know that,

827
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: but I know the name. I've not Red Mouse, but

828
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: I know it's like it's like a like a just

829
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: a legendary graphic novel um about fascism. But that guy

830
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: helped create Garbage Pail Kids just a couple of years

831
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: before Creative Mouse. Amazing, and there was a a bad

832
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: TV show that eventually only aired in Europe that was

833
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: a bad movie that is pretty legendarily bad. But um,

834
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: it was a big deal. Though they sold a ton

835
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: of them, they didn't quite have the spinoff power of

836
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: the cpks, but the g p ks did okay for themselves. Yeah,

837
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like that really goes to show you just

838
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: how big Cabbage petch Kids were that it could sustain

839
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: a cottage industry for a parody even that's how big

840
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: Cabbage Patch Kids were in there. So hats off to

841
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: Cabbage Patch Kids. I can't wait to talk about them

842
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: again next year in another episode. Will be great, We'll

843
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: figure it out. We'll spend figuring out how to do that, Chuck.

844
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: And in the meantime, everybody, since we're thinking about how

845
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 1: to talk about Cabbage petch Kids, so more, it's time

846
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: for listener mail. That's right before we do listener may

847
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: real quick. I just want to give a shout out

848
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: to the Budge family. Uh, not really gonna get into

849
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: what's going on with them, but just want them to

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Speaker 1: know that we're thinking about them and sending them lots

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Speaker 1: of love and support over the internet air waves. But

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Speaker 1: this email is called oh I know, I'm gonna call

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Speaker 1: it the beav Uh this is this is about beavers again.

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Speaker 1: And it starts out as this is seriously not a

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Speaker 1: please read me on the air email. And that's a

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Speaker 1: pretty good way to get on the air. By the way,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the amazing show. Been a listener since they

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Speaker 1: were paltry twenty minutes. Love everyone, keep me company while walking, driving, cleaning,

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Speaker 1: cooking and providing an endless source of interesting topics for

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Speaker 1: my English students in Spain. Uh. I kind of think

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Speaker 1: Chuck is my podcast soulmatee. As we grew up in

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Speaker 1: much the same circumstances around the same age. We have

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Speaker 1: very similar cultural outlook on different things. I do have

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Speaker 1: a small difference of opinion. Though your Bigfoot podcast was great, uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was we so much as you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe so, But a while back it was weak. You

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Speaker 1: were adamant that Nessie does not exist. Buddy, show Nessie

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Speaker 1: some love. Wouldn't it be amazing if she did exist?

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Speaker 1: So she has her fingers crossed on that. But the

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Speaker 1: real reason she wrote in she listened to the beaver

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Speaker 1: episode and came across Beave the beaver. So just get

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Speaker 1: found Um, I think abandoned by its parents and then

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Speaker 1: while to eventually be putting maybe a wildlife center or something.

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Speaker 1: But the long and short of it is beef makes

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Speaker 1: damns in their house. So there are all these pretty

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Speaker 1: cute videos of Beef dragging stuff into this one specific

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Speaker 1: doorway that beab is trying to damn up and like

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Speaker 1: Beef can get ahold of in his little paws and teeth,

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Speaker 1: he'll drag over to this doorway and try and damn up.

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Speaker 1: And it's really one of the cutest, funniest things I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen. Yeah, it is very cute because he looks like,

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Speaker 1: should this go here? Maybe a little bit to the left. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's all right right there. They're like when he brought

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Speaker 1: I can just squish this into place. It was very

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Speaker 1: cute to watch him do that. It is amazing. And

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Speaker 1: that email, by the way, was from Carrie Keeley. Thanks Carrie,

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Speaker 1: that was a great email. And yes, way to get

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Speaker 1: be on the air. Um, we fall for stuff like

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Speaker 1: that all the time. And if you want to try

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Speaker 1: to make us fall for something, have at us. You

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio dot com Stuff you Should Know is a

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