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Speaker 3: Now, release slowly again deep in heale, hold release, repeating

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Speaker 3: I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on

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Speaker 3: your journey. A podcast for those that are curious, creative,

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Speaker 3: I'm Debbie Brown. This is where we heal, this is

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Speaker 3: where we become. Welcome back to the show. Today's show

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Speaker 3: is going to be such a good time. I have

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Speaker 3: been looking forward to this all week. I have one

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Speaker 3: Radical Steps to Activate your Innate Superpowers. He is well

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Speaker 3: known for hosting the top rated Spiritually Sassy Show podcast

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Speaker 3: Activated Healing Saw method sas profound expertise is rooted in

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Speaker 3: a decade of experiential Buddhist practice, his extensive retreat experiences

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Speaker 3: As a kinsenetic learner, Saw has danced into trans States

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Speaker 3: His shrama informed approach is informed by his grassroots work

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Speaker 1: Welcome to this show, my friend.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. I feel like we should all ask

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Speaker 4: when Davy Brown reads it, the Dabie Brown, the Deabie Brown,

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Speaker 4: the one that lives in my heart. Like it's just

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Speaker 4: it was like a motherly energy, affirmed and celebrated. It

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Speaker 4: was like life giving to hear you reading my BIB.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I feel so awkward, you know, hearing it before

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Speaker 4: that should be a practice that we offer each other

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Speaker 3: You know how absolutely beautiful and just like you're observation

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Speaker 3: deeply because I think that's such a powerful way to

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00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 3: look at our human experience. Like everyone, as you mentioned,

437
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: is gripping and trying to hold and keep things comfortably

438
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: the same. And it's like, let life change you, let

439
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: it change things that happened to you, change you, and

440
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: then live fully because when it's your time, I want

441
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 3: to go out with that kind of like expectant smile

442
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 3: of more.

443
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Speaker 4: You know. So, as you're writing, can I name something

444
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 4: about this before you ask this question?

445
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: Please?

446
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 4: I experienced something so profound at my mother's funeral, which

447
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 4: was I don't know if she was ready to go,

448
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: but I was coming from Indonesia, My sister was coming

449
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 4: from the Paul. My mum was an induced coma and

450
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 4: she stayed for two hours and then she died. So

451
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 4: she waited for us to arrive from these far away

452
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 4: countries to die. And the reason why I'm naming this

453
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 4: is because a lot of us are not thinking about

454
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 4: our eulogy. We're not thinking about the fact that how

455
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 4: we live will dictate our experience as we die, right,

456
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 4: We're not really thinking about how every moment every person.

457
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 4: Every time we can lift the space, we can you know,

458
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 4: bring a smile to someone's face, we can help someone,

459
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 4: We can just do the smaller, big ways right, that

460
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 4: we can lift the world, that we can lift each other,

461
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 4: that we can inspire each other. It all adds up

462
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 4: to how your death will be peaceful or chaotic. And

463
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 4: in Buddhism, we're really training ourselves for that moment. A

464
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 4: lot of it. It's like it's either you become enlightened

465
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Speaker 4: while you're still alive, and that's a really hard path,

466
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 4: but that's part of the part of the training. Or

467
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 4: you work yourself to become so lucid and you have

468
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 4: accumulated so many good deeds. You've you've become you've lied

469
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 4: such an experience inspire inspirational life that your moment of

470
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 4: death is a peaceful one. And the reason why I'm

471
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 4: saying all this to raptus to give a little bit

472
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 4: more context, my mother's funeral was a really eye opening

473
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Speaker 4: experience to how I want to be remembered. Even though

474
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Speaker 4: most of us are only remembered for like five ten years.

475
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Speaker 4: Except for your close family, most people will most people

476
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 4: ninety nine point nine percent of us will all be

477
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 4: forgotten within a couple of years or five ten years.

478
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Speaker 4: It's this is the max, right, Even the biggest superstars are.

479
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: Forgotten only like ten every hundred years are really remembered, right,

480
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: Like think about that everyone like this when everyone is

481
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: thinking about posting stuff or just legacy in terms of

482
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: soccial media impact, like even in bigger legacy, like ultimately

483
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: it can't be about vanity because maybe every hundred years as.

484
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Speaker 1: A whole, fifty people are remembered globally.

485
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Speaker 4: That's right, globally. Yeah, that's like you we have to

486
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 4: bask in the sweetness of being forgotten. We have to like,

487
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: oh god, really just like, oh, how delicious that I

488
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 4: get to be fully forgotten and not be scared of it.

489
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Speaker 4: I think we hold on to to a legacy of

490
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 4: not making mistakes, a legacy of harmony and sweetness and

491
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 4: accumulation for a lot of people. Yes, instead of instead

492
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 4: of living out loud and making mistakes and being hurt

493
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: and breaking your heart and breaking hearts, all of it

494
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 4: for the sake of living a full human life and

495
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 4: then not forgetting the precious moment of you, you know,

496
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: laying the lifeless and your family members walking up and

497
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 4: I'm now I'm choking up a little bit, and your

498
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 4: family members walking up to tell stories about how you lived,

499
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 4: and friends walking up and telling stories about how you

500
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 4: touch their lives. My mother's funeral was a big inspirational

501
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 4: point for me because one may say she lived a

502
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: very simple life. She wasn't a popular person by social

503
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 4: media standards, right, Well, that's not entirely true, because her

504
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 4: and I have had viral videos of us dancing as

505
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 4: she had just gone through chemotherapy, and that viral videos

506
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 4: that it got the attention of Deepak Chopa's team, and

507
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 4: that's how I ended up going to teach alongside Deepak

508
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: and leading the same method on Instagram for the you know,

509
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 4: most of the pandemic. But my mother's funeral was such

510
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 4: a spectacular reminder of how I want to be, Yeah,

511
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: someone who who touched people in beautiful and sweet and

512
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 4: simple ways. You know. It was really about her presence,

513
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: It was really about her smile. It was really about

514
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 4: her warmth, you know, and not these big as beautiful warmth.

515
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 3: She really such like I remember she face timed with

516
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: you and she was talking a quest of her face times, yes,

517
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: and she was just this like, oh my God, like

518
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: a sun, like a beam of light coming through your phone.

519
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 4: And you know, the last phone call I had with her,

520
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 4: I asked my astrologer who we both share, Darryl. Darryl.

521
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 4: I asked Darryl about my mother's chart, and he said,

522
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 4: this is the last phone call I had with her

523
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 4: before she died. I asked, can you read her chart

524
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 4: for me? Or what's going on for her? What is

525
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 4: this season that she's in, you know? And he said

526
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 4: many things, but the important thing was is that she

527
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 4: had the star, the chart of a star. She was

528
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 4: meant to be popular, she was meant to be seen

529
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 4: in a global stage. And I remember telling her this

530
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 4: as she was already in the hospital and she was

531
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Speaker 4: hospitalized for pneumonia, which was misdiagnosis of a problem she

532
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 4: was having because of radiation to her brain. Yeah, so

533
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: this was the last phone call I had with her.

534
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: Wow, what was the experience after your mom passed?

535
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: You did your five hundred mile walk of grief?

536
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: Insane? Insane?

537
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: What is an experience?

538
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Speaker 3: I don't even know how to formulate the question because

539
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: it's like a thousand questions and one but one. What

540
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: led you to that How did you know that was

541
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: the path you needed for your growth, for your grief, And.

542
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 4: That's enough of a question.

543
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: On a day to day experience, How did that feel?

544
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Speaker 3: How were you in process with her throughout that walk,

545
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: because that is you're walking for five hundred miles, so

546
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Speaker 3: a full.

547
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Speaker 5: Day, thirty two days, for about seven hours a day.

548
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 5: Seven hours a day, my god, three hours in the morning,

549
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 5: four hours in afternoon.

550
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, insane, Okay, So why did I do it? What happened?

551
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 4: So Mom died December twenty fifth of twenty twenty two

552
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 4: January February March. I was incomplete dis enchantment with humanity. Simultaneous,

553
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: I had my training started, so I was training one

554
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: hundred people and how to be somatic activated he alerts.

555
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 4: So I had to immediately lock in a part of

556
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: me and deliver this training to these people. Had paid

557
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 4: good money to learn this method and to teach this

558
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 4: method right, and looking back, that was a life affirming choice.

559
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: That was a life giving choice because it anchored me

560
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 4: in service. It anchored me here. And then a few

561
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 4: like GENETI vated Mars and then April came around, and

562
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 4: I remember feeling the sensitized of to my grief. I

563
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 4: remember questioning did my mom ever live? Did she ever

564
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 4: love me? And did I even have a life with her?

565
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 4: It was so desensitized and I was losing sight of

566
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 4: the grief to such a degree that I started to

567
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 4: question if I even have had a mother? Does that

568
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: make sense? It's on the verge of a little like insanity,

569
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: a little bit. But that's what grief can can kindapul

570
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: you towards you know, And I said.

571
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: Do you know what you're saying is especially in a

572
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: role like that of and you. The two of you

573
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: had such a beautiful relationship, so much love filled the

574
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: room when the two of you were together. So that

575
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 3: was such a blessed experience to have with a mother.

576
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 3: But what I'm hearing is too, when you lose your

577
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: first God, your first home, right, your mother, that is

578
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: calling into question all the roles that you play.

579
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: Every really brings in the what am I? And what

580
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: am I? If she doesn't exist?

581
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 4: Exactly? All of it, literally, all of that it was

582
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 4: and the it became such a it was so heavy

583
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 4: to carry the idea and it still is of living

584
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 4: through life without that anchor, without that figure in my life,

585
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: you know, so all of this to say that I

586
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 4: started to be desensitized to the grief and I started

587
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 4: to take on more work, do more things, and I

588
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 4: was like, this is not I think I'm I think

589
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: I've lost the plot, Like I should not be high

590
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 4: performance SAT right now. Something is off. And that's when

591
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 4: I realized that what was off was not enough space

592
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 4: for the grief to emerge, not enough space for the

593
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 4: grief to break me down, not enough time to fall apart,

594
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 4: and fall apart so gracefully that no one who would

595
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 4: hear me my mother just died would flinch or say

596
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry for your lost thoughts in prayer, or

597
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 4: they would do the immediate thing. She's in a better place,

598
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 4: she's your ancestor now she has angel wings, now she's

599
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 4: watching over you. At least she's not in pain. You know,

600
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 4: all the well intended things that we say during grief

601
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 4: which are tremendously.

602
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: Hurtful, it's for that person's comfort.

603
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 4: Exactly, because they're so deeply uncomfortable with how you are

604
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 4: feeling that they want to name something, say something that

605
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 4: in their mind could potentially resolve or fix you out

606
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 4: of suffering so they feel better without understanding that suffering

607
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: seeses and passes and changes with presents. So I needed

608
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 4: a concerted amount of time to fall apart, and to

609
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 4: fall apart in such a graceful way that I wouldn't

610
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 4: have anyone, even the well intended friends and community and strangers,

611
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 4: because so many people follow my work, running to fans

612
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 4: all the time, and they would always want to say

613
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: something so sweet and so kind, and it would always

614
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 4: like tug at me at my experience with the grief.

615
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 4: So going on this walk was the specific amount of time.

616
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 4: I didn't know that thirty two days was going to

617
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 4: I was going to be the perfect amount of time.

618
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 4: To be honest, I just knew I needed to walk

619
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 4: with the grief. I knew that walking does so well

620
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 4: for me as a meditative practice, as a spiritual practice,

621
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: as an opportunity to just be with a feeling, be

622
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 4: with an experience. And I had downloaded all these playlists

623
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: and these podcasts and these books that I wanted to

624
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 4: listen to, and I really realized that I was saturated

625
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 4: with enormous amounts of information inside of me that I

626
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 4: didn't need to add music. I didn't need to add

627
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 4: a podcast. I didn't need to add a book in

628
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 4: order for me to distract myself from the overload of

629
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: information that was being poured into me by the grief.

630
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 4: So I just walked with this experience, and I just

631
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: walked with the unpleasantness of the grief, and at some

632
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 4: point I started to really make friends with grief that hey,

633
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 4: this is a friend that that will be with me

634
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 4: for the rest of my life because I think the

635
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 4: I think end LaMotte says, it's like you start to

636
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 4: limp and you just realize that the limp is part

637
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: of your new way of walking. And I find that

638
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: so reassuring and so so beautiful, because you know, I

639
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 4: did lose a part of me, and how do I

640
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 4: live without a part of myself?

641
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 5: You know?

642
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 4: So this is what living with grief teaches me, and

643
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: that's what the walk emphasized. It's like I needed this

644
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 4: amount of time to bond with my dad, to give

645
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 4: my dad an opportunity to become my dad again, you know,

646
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: to reposition him back on that altar as the father

647
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 4: who is now lost his love of forty two years.

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00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 4: This man is trying to become a new person after

649
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 4: having lived side by side with the swim for forty

650
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 4: two years. It's like he's lived more with her than

651
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 4: with anyone else. You know, his personality is more built

652
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: entrenched with her than with him by himself. You know,

653
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 4: it's that severe. So we all of this came to fruition.

654
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 4: All of this was like part of the walk. So

655
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 4: there's a lot of a lot of self editing, a

656
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: lot of self transformation, and also a lot of relational

657
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 4: experience because I had never spent this amount of time

658
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 4: with my father before, because Mum was always the anchor

659
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 4: in the family. We would always Dad always knew what

660
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 4: was going on for us through Mom, because Mom was

661
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: the one who talked on the phone morning and night.

662
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: We would check in and we would you know, come

663
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 4: to her with the good and the bad, everything, all

664
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 4: the experience, and then Dad would find out through her.

665
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 4: Now Dad was not taking her space, but now having

666
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 4: learned how to hold not the success SA is going through,

667
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 4: not the the other celebrity that I was working with,

668
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 4: none of that. But who is Sah grieving the loss

669
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 4: of his beloved mother? You know? Can my dad handle

670
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: me sobbing over my soup at lunch? Can my dad

671
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 4: ad hold me at dinner when I wake up in

672
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 4: a panic because I'm remembering, I'm having flashbacks of my

673
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 4: mom at the hospital. You know, can he handle that?

674
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 4: And time after time he proved himself, not that he

675
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 4: needed to, but he proved that he can love me

676
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 4: beyond in ways, in ways that go beyond my imagination.

677
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 4: They they're not I love you ways. The words don't

678
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 4: come out, but it's nonverbal. They are just the warmth

679
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: of his presence, you know.

680
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: Or acts.

681
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 4: He would then buy me breakfast. He would have breakfast

682
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 4: ordered to the table before I arrived. So these acts

683
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 4: of service meant a lot. It really transformed our relationship.

684
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: It really showed me that he knows how to love

685
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 4: me in ways that I actually ways that I actually need.

686
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: You know, how special, my God, how powerful, deeply well.

687
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 3: In this experience and what you just shared, like there's

688
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 3: so many layers of access to spirit that everyone listening

689
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: can dive into.

690
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, because I heard so many things.

691
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: I heard about the grief.

692
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: I heard about the glory of the beauty of the

693
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: relationship you had with this special, special woman and mother.

694
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: I heard about some of the ways that you were

695
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: even challenging yourself with the grief, right, and that especially,

696
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: I think is so profound because depression is guaranteed. Depression

697
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: is guaranteed. First of all, I want to normalize depression

698
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: to be a live Depression is guaranteed.

699
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: That is my belief.

700
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: I have never met a single person, nor do I

701
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: imagine I would, if they're being fully honest, that has

702
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 3: not experienced some level of depression at least by the

703
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: end of their life. Right, if not once a week,

704
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: once a month, you know, or however often. But grief

705
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: doesn't just I think we miss tremendous opportunity if we

706
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: just keep our thoughts of grief about depression. What I

707
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: heard was a way that you allowed grief to help

708
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: you rise. You allowed your grief to transform so many

709
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 3: different particle pieces of you. And it's like even the

710
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: awareness that has led to this book. You were describing

711
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 3: that awareness funneling in through the dynamic of your father

712
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: and through recognizing some areas where you weren't as close,

713
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: and now a new invitation to know each other in

714
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 3: a new way and to be close in a new way.

715
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 3: To even make the choice my God as an offering

716
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 3: to the vastness of your love for your mother and

717
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: her love for you to spend thirty two days walking

718
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: with the grief as your companion.

719
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: Literally yeap.

720
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 4: And we're about to do another one. We're about to

721
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 4: do another one. We're thinking about going to the Oregon

722
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 4: Coast Trail. So this one is a I think it's

723
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 4: three hundred and ninety two miles, so close to four

724
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 4: hundred miles, and we'll take us we'll do in the

725
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 4: same months, maybe like twenty seven to thirty days. We're

726
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 4: deciding we're going to do this one or one in Japan.

727
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 4: It's it's our eyearly way of memorializing Mom and never

728
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: losing sight of the grief and never losing sight of

729
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 4: her presence in our lives, because it could we can

730
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 4: so quickly become busy, we can so quickly lose the

731
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: connection to the severity of what it means to lose

732
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 4: a mother and the profundity of what it means to

733
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 4: have another day on earth. The poetry of sitting after

734
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 4: you've sobbed to the point of snot coming down your nose,

735
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 4: and you are sitting on the trail and you look

736
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 4: up and I can cry thinking of it, and you

737
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 4: see the leaves dancing in the wind, and you feel

738
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 4: the sun kissing your skin and you come alive again.

739
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 4: You realize I am in this body. I get to live.

740
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: I get to continue to walk for her, for everyone

741
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 4: who didn't have the chance. I get to feel the

742
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 4: grief of the world, for all those who don't have

743
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 4: the time and the privilege and the energy to go

744
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: into this place. I get to grieve for those who

745
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 4: don't have the time. I get to be a pillar

746
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 4: of light in a dark space for people, and I

747
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 4: get to go to the depth of it in such

748
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 4: a way because no one on that trail is trying

749
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 4: to fix or resolve me. And I have a story

750
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 4: to tell about this. I had a person that I

751
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 4: had seen on the trail. Sometimes, if you're consistent about

752
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 4: the time you wake up and the time that you

753
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 4: the time that you go, the time that you wake

754
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 4: up every day, and the time that you it really

755
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 4: has to do with when you wake up. If you

756
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 4: ended up seeing the same people on the trail, right,

757
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 4: maybe you walk with some people for like three four

758
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 4: days and maybe someone takes a rest day, So when

759
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 4: you wake up and when you take your rest day,

760
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 4: it really dictates if you walk with a group of people.

761
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 4: Maybe these are five to ten people that you see

762
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 4: at the same hotel or hostel or cafes or restaurants

763
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 4: right through the trail. And there was this person, this

764
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: woman who would I was seeing, and I had all

765
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 4: this judgment towards her. I had this like wave of bias,

766
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 4: this wave of prejudice just washing over me and cluttering

767
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 4: my view of this person without even meeting her, without

768
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 4: ever having spent a single moment in her presence, every

769
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: or even knowing her name. Okay, I mean day three

770
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 4: of the trail, day four of the trail. The grief

771
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 4: hasn't kicked in. I'm kind of like, okay, cool, I'm

772
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 4: putting I'm putting music on music, the songs that remind

773
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 4: me of my mother. To see it was kickstart the

774
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 4: tsunami effect. Still just a little bit here and there.

775
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 4: And then I'm walking on an average trail through the forest,

776
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 4: nothing like mind blowing, nothing like uh you know, and

777
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 4: something just like a wave of grief starts to pour

778
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 4: in and I unearth this ungrieved grief, and I start

779
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 4: to sob and sob and wail to the point that

780
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 4: I even lose a balance. So I sit on the trail.

781
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 4: Who is the person who comes from behind me and

782
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 4: hands me a tissue with a hand on my shoulder.

783
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 4: That woman, and she didn't say a single thing for

784
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 4: a whole like maybe five ten minutes. That felt like eternity.

785
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 4: She just stood there. The person who I had all

786
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 4: this judgment towards was the person that held this beautiful

787
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 4: space for me without trying to fix me, without trying

788
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 4: to resolve me or urge me out of the tonne

789
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 4: of darkness. You know, she just stood there. And then

790
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 4: we didn't even exchange names at that point. It wasn't

791
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 4: until a couple of days later that I ran into

792
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: her at a cafe one of the you know, sporadic

793
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 4: stops through the tray where there's a cafe in the

794
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 4: middle of the forest, in the middle of the you know,

795
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 4: on the side of a road or something, that I

796
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 4: was able to just say, hey, thank you so much

797
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 4: for that. That was really meaningful to me. Yeah, So

798
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 4: we never know who will be the messenger of grace,

799
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 4: a stranger that can be a reminder for us to

800
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 4: feel our grief, to not be desensitized by it, and

801
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 4: never to think that grief is too big of an

802
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 4: emotion that you can't hold, you know, never to think

803
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 4: that any feeling is too big, that they're here to

804
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 4: hurt you, or that they're here in a way that

805
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 4: will engo for you and take you out. What takes

806
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 4: us out is our relationship, our feelings.

807
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, God, so powerful, so deep, so necessary.

808
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 4: Okay, where do you want to go next? Because I

809
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 4: could talk about this walk for a while because it's

810
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 4: you know, it really was life affirming and earth shattering.

811
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 4: You know, it really did the number that I never

812
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 4: thought a walk of that magnitude could really like transform

813
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 4: my relationship to grief and to remind me to keep going,

814
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 4: to keep living. You know that grief is a reminder

815
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 4: of paradox. Grief is a reminder to live in paradox.

816
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 4: You spoke about this way earlier about can I be

817
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 4: depressed and inspired? Can I be grieving and grateful? You know,

818
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 4: as Mark Nepo says the poet, he says, everything is

819
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 4: beautiful and I'm so sad. That's my state, you know,

820
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 4: And I'm okay, And that's okay because that's what it

821
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 4: means to live a full human life is to not

822
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 4: have boundaries or to reject the transient nature of life,

823
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 4: which means if change is inevitable, then grief is inevitable

824
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 4: because everything's changing, so everything you know is in movement,

825
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 4: So the old version of ourselves, every single experience, will

826
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 4: never happen again. And because of it, grief is weaved

827
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 4: into that tapestry and I won't shy away from it.

828
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 4: I'm now driven by by it to open myself up

829
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 4: to the beauty in that.

830
00:51:53,560 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 3: You know, Son, I did a masterclass on reef a

831
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 3: couple of years ago. We taught this together. It was

832
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 3: called the Daily Death. So I know that's on your website.

833
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 3: So if anyone is feeling really connected to kind of

834
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 3: challenging some thoughts they have around grief, please go to

835
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: SA's website and check it out. SA's latest book, Spiritually

836
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 3: we The Art of Relating and Connecting from the Heart,

837
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 3: is available now. This is such a special, introspective and

838
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 3: incredibly applicable book to really start repositioning people in your

839
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: life and also challenge yourself to the boundaries you hold

840
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 3: for people. Are they healthy, safe boundaries or are they

841
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 3: boundaries that keep you engaged and your experience that keep

842
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 3: you avoiding yourself? And it's just so important to dive

843
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 3: into that. So this book is absolutely such a beautiful

844
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 3: companion for you at this juncture of your journey. So

845
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 3: how can everyone connect with you and continue to connect

846
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: with your powerful work.

847
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 4: I would love for people to get the book Spiritually Weak,

848
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 4: because it's we're living through a loneliness epidemic. You know,

849
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 4: more people are lonely than connected. That's just the statistics,

850
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 4: you know. So I would love for people to get

851
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 4: the book and also if they want to, you know,

852
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 4: shake and dance and scream in a safe, intentional environment.

853
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 4: Come to the Somatic dance floor, come to the somatic

854
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 4: activated healing membership. But do both, you know, like come

855
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 4: and dance. But really this is this is the biggest

856
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 4: offering because I think we've lost the plot and how

857
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 4: to relate. I think we've we have gone so far

858
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 4: away from learning and actually in knowing that relationship and

859
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 4: friendship is a biological, psychological, spiritual nutrient that we can't

860
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 4: live without. Yes, And through the research in the book,

861
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 4: I really found out that like loneliness strikes in a body,

862
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 4: like hunger, it's a you for something that you need,

863
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 4: for something that you're lacking. And this is what the

864
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 4: research has to show. And we're not thought that we're

865
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 4: not trained in that, we're not educated in that we

866
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 4: are in a capitalistic society. And I'm not an anti

867
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 4: capitalist person. I believe there's good things from it as well,

868
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 4: But I think the way how pervasive it is of

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Speaker 4: the zero sum game, of this competition, of this overachieving,

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Speaker 4: this do more and the more you do, the better

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Speaker 4: you feel kind of mindset, right, and how much our

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Speaker 4: self worth is based on what we have to show

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Speaker 4: for these aspects of this culture are the toxic traits

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Speaker 4: that I want us to erase, the lead unsubscribed from.

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Speaker 4: So the book really addresses this vital need that we

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Speaker 4: need each other, that we can't do the human gig alone.

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Speaker 4: It's impossible to do human by yourself. You can't carry

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Speaker 4: the burden, but alone it's impossible. And your jo is

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Speaker 4: multiplied in community. And also if you're on a spiritual path,

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Speaker 4: the relationships will show you how free you are. Because

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Speaker 4: it's one thing to be free, and you're cushioned by

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Speaker 4: yourself at home. Then when you bring it that freedom

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Speaker 4: to the coffee shop, to your mother in law, to

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Speaker 4: your ex husband, to your ex boyfriend, to whatever, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: are you really free or can you just talk the

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Speaker 4: talk because you're free. If you're free in front of

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Speaker 4: those who annoy you, who trigger you, who've hurt you,

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Speaker 4: that's when you know that you're free.

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Speaker 1: So the book is a call to that absolutely.

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Speaker 4: You know, and it's a big call to remind us that, Hey,

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Speaker 4: so many people in America are experiencing really hard times

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Speaker 4: in their lives by themselves because they're so profoundly distracted.

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Speaker 4: The phone that was here, that is here to connect us,

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Speaker 4: to weave us with the tapesture of connection, is actually

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Speaker 4: doing the opposite. It's separating us. It's keeping us away

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Speaker 4: from seeing the poetry and the beauty in human life.

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Speaker 4: It's pulling us into savoring social media more so than

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Speaker 4: connection in person.

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Speaker 3: I think that's one of the biggest pitfalls because I

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Speaker 3: think for a lot of people, they're lonely and they

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Speaker 3: don't understand fully why, and a lot of it is

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Speaker 3: And this isn't everyone's fault.

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Speaker 1: This is the conditioning of social media.

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Speaker 3: We've spent the last fifteen years where people thought just

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Speaker 3: liking someone you know's content or leaving a comment is friendship,

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Speaker 3: and it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's connection online.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, kind of like raising your hand, but

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Speaker 3: that is not the same thing as being in community

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Speaker 3: with people or being in relationship with other people.

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Speaker 1: You have to kind of test it out in real

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Speaker 1: life too.

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Speaker 3: So everyone has been getting like nourished by junk food

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Speaker 3: by thinking they're so connected to people, but when it

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Speaker 3: actually comes to them having life experiences, their ability to relate,

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Speaker 3: I think really goes down. So this book is available

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Speaker 3: in stores right now. Spiritually We and of course Saw

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Speaker 3: has his incredible podcast, his first book, such a so

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Speaker 3: many beautiful tools for real embodiment of your process to

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Speaker 3: be who you want to be, not just to speak

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Speaker 3: in theory about who you want to be, to actually

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Speaker 3: live it. So Sadi Simone dot com is how you

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Speaker 3: can check out salv courses Instagram at Saudi Simone. Closing thought,

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Speaker 3: I always like to extend a little soul work to

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Speaker 3: everybody listening. What is a practice that those connecting with

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Speaker 3: this episode can take with them for this week.

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Speaker 1: It could be a thought starter, it could be a

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Speaker 1: question of inquiry.

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Speaker 4: I got you, I got you. It's something that I

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Speaker 4: speak about in a book called Social Integration. I want

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Speaker 4: you to say hi to your neighbor. I want you

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Speaker 4: to say hi to the person that the coffee shop.

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Speaker 4: I want you to humanize every human you see, not

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Speaker 4: just see them as a as a passer by, as

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Speaker 4: someone who doesn't have depth or that doesn't suffer the

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Speaker 4: same ways that you do. I want you to see

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Speaker 4: everyone that you come in contact with, even if you

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Speaker 4: live in a big city. Well maybe if you're walking

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Speaker 4: down New York City and you're you know, in contact

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Speaker 4: with one hundred people on the sidewalk, maybe not.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, have discernment, have discernment, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but really try to humanize every human being. Can

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Speaker 4: you touch their humanity? Can you realize that just like you,

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Speaker 4: they want to be happy and they don't want to suffer,

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Speaker 4: And also, just like you, they do suffer, you know,

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Speaker 4: and their moms may die, and their partners may leave them,

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Speaker 4: and things like this may happen. So don't gloss over people.

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Speaker 4: Don't see people as a as a hologram without depth

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Speaker 4: and feeling in a whole human experience them that they're

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Speaker 4: you know, living through. Humanize everyone and come in contact

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Speaker 4: with and test your material. See if you can offer

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Speaker 4: a genuine compliment to a stranger this week, See if

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Speaker 4: you can say, I like your shoes, nice hair, you

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Speaker 4: look great, you know, like test your capacity to engage

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Speaker 4: and see what happens inside of you because it will

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Speaker 4: lift them up. But look at the high that you

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Speaker 4: are creating for yourself. You know, it's a beautiful experience

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Speaker 4: to relate where we've lost the plot when it comes

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Speaker 4: to relationships and we're missing such a beautiful way of

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Speaker 4: feeling good by being.

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Speaker 1: Seen, beautiful, beautiful. I love you, I love you back.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on the show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And one more thing.

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Speaker 3: I am so excited to be with everyone in Atlanta

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Speaker 3: on April twenty seventh, the year twenty twenty four, So

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Speaker 3: make sure to check me out at the end annual

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Speaker 3: Black Effect Podcast Festival. It's happening Saturday, April twenty seventh.

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Speaker 3: It's in Atlanta, which I can't wait because I love

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Speaker 3: going to Atlanta. Live podcasts are going down from your

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Speaker 1: I will be there.

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Speaker 3: I'll be doing my podcast live from the stage so

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Speaker 3: you can see deeply well on stage. I have two

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Speaker 3: special guests that I will be announcing soon and I

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Speaker 3: am so ready to meet everyone. I've already gotten dms

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Speaker 3: of really dope people in the city letting me know

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Speaker 3: that they're going to be there, so I hope to

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Speaker 3: connect with everyone that is there, everyone.

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Speaker 1: That listens to the show.

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Speaker 3: twenty seventh. Deeply Well Live at the Black Evac Podcast Festival.

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