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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson, home

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Speaker 1: of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Drive on Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and

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Speaker 1: Matt It's the Friday before the NFL Scouting Combine. I

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Speaker 1: know you're excited about this event. I'm excited about this event.

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Speaker 1: We didn't get to do the combine last year, and

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Speaker 1: nor did NFL teams. Uh, And that leads me to

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Speaker 1: something I wanted to talk about here. The the NFL

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Speaker 1: dot Com has has done a little series here ranking

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Speaker 1: the draft classes from last year of all thirty two

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Speaker 1: NFL teams and giving them giving them the grade after

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Speaker 1: the fact. I sometimes have a problem with these things

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Speaker 1: because a lot of times, um, you know, for teams

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Speaker 1: that have more draft capital they picked, they typically end

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Speaker 1: up with better grades. Well, no kidding, you had you

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Speaker 1: had more to work with. You know, that's like saying

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Speaker 1: that the you know, the the guy who had all

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Speaker 1: the answers to the test and then gets an A

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Speaker 1: And it was way. Johnny's our our prize student. We

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Speaker 1: gave Johnny the answers to the test. Yeah. A couple

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Speaker 1: of notes. First of all, yes, I am super excited

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Speaker 1: about combine. We were robbed of it last year. It's

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Speaker 1: a tremendous week and we're gonna give you guys some

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Speaker 1: awesome content and fun guests and whatever we can manage.

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Speaker 1: But it's gonna be a blast, and we'll get some

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Speaker 1: rumors and all that good stuff. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: you know these guys are working out and we'll get

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Speaker 1: numbers report on. And I'm with you, I mean this one.

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Speaker 1: It bothers me even more when Melan Todd's grade the

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Speaker 1: day after the draft. You know, like, well, if you

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Speaker 1: have the first overall pick, you should do well. If

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Speaker 1: the Eagles have three first you should do well. We

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Speaker 1: know going in, we know going into the draft that

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Speaker 1: the Eagles are likely going to get an A for

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Speaker 1: what they do in this Giants will too, they have

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Speaker 1: too early picks. Right, You're you're working on an extreme

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Speaker 1: curve here. Absolutely. I mean the team that doesn't pick,

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Speaker 1: I mean the Rams aren't gonna do well right right there,

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Speaker 1: incomplete or something along those lines. But um doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: they did poorly though, right, It doesn't mean you didn't

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Speaker 1: get players. Yeah, genera Felice and Nook Shook. Nick Shook

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Speaker 1: put together the grading list here, ranking them from one

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Speaker 1: to thirty two. The other thing about this is it's

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Speaker 1: difficult to rank a draft class just one year into it. Sure,

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Speaker 1: because let's face it, guys. For example, Cam Sutton is

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Speaker 1: a perfect example of this. Cam Sutton's first couple of

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Speaker 1: played only a handful of games. The second year he's

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Speaker 1: he then starts to become a better, you know, a

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Speaker 1: more important player in the Steelers scheme. Well, if you

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Speaker 1: looked at that his first two years, you're like, boy,

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Speaker 1: that's a kind of a wasted third round draft pick.

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Speaker 1: And people included Cam Sutton. Well the Steelers can't draft cornerbacks.

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Speaker 1: Well they got Cam Sutton. There's a good player, yeah,

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Speaker 1: who's now a starting cornerback for you. So they did

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Speaker 1: I just you know, the the first year grades are

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Speaker 1: always tough. But let's take a look here at what

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Speaker 1: they got and real quick, even to take a step further,

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks a brutal. I mean, there was five first round

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Speaker 1: if Trevor Lawrence goes on to be a Hall of Famer?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know where you Matt Jones, I

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Speaker 1: his circumstances were better than the others. And same with Mills,

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Speaker 1: almost the Martavis Bryant argument. Um. You know, a couple

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Speaker 1: the fourth round. Well there's a reason why he went

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like the Chiefs had a bunch of early

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Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos getting a minus for their draft. They

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Speaker 1: got Patrick certain in the first round, Javonte Williams in

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Speaker 1: I realized Jamar Chase carries a lot of weight. Fifth

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Speaker 1: Other than that, their their rookies really didn't give them

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Speaker 1: it hard to take Chase. No, I mean, if Lawrence

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Speaker 1: think you have to wait, what did I get out

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Speaker 1: name minus obviously got mac Jones at fifteen. Christian Barmore

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Speaker 1: pretty good draft. Milton Williams appeared in all seventeen games,

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Speaker 1: Nico Collins at eighty nine. Nico Collins would not have

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Speaker 1: they would you know, same with Brevin Jordan's the tight

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Speaker 1: end Garrett Wallow. We you know, we both liked him

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Speaker 1: I think Mills is an NFL starting quarterback though, right

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. But they're going to have that advantage if

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Speaker 1: have to That's why it's better to take the quarterback

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Speaker 1: should never been the seventh. He never should have been

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Speaker 1: the seventheenth pick overall. I mean, no one thought that

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Speaker 1: he was okay. Uh. They got seventeen games and five

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Speaker 1: Nate Hobbs. Hobbs a guy they like is a fifth

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Speaker 1: Leatherwood should should be a negative grade for that. Right

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Speaker 1: And same thing we thought said about leather Was he

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Speaker 1: neither this year? Yeah? Really? Uh. The Steelers come in

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Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, I I look at that

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Speaker 1: the cornerback out of Stanford. Uh. He played in the

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Speaker 1: seventeen game mates started all seventeen games as a third

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Speaker 1: round pick, and then nothing else. I said, they got

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Speaker 1: a start in corner out of it, and a developmental

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Speaker 1: defense eve Ent pretty much and Warner probably is a keeper.

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Speaker 1: So it's okay. I mean, but again, I think it

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Speaker 1: goes to if that's the middle of the road, that's sixteen,

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Speaker 1: just goes to show that it was not a very

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Speaker 1: strong rookie class. You know, they would add them lower. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Rays are seventeen. They took her shod Bateman, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, I really like him, but he didn't do

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Speaker 1: much as a rookie. Yeah, they took away with their second.

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Speaker 1: They had two first round draft picks. Again, so you

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Speaker 1: should get this right. Fifteen games, two starts from him,

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Speaker 1: You got six starts out of two first rounders. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They got four starts out of Ben Cleveland in who

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Speaker 1: they took in the third round, eleven starts out of

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Speaker 1: Brandon Stevens. Uh, but that was only because everybody else

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Speaker 1: got hurt. Right, He's very much a developmental corner. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was a running back turned defensive back recently, all right,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, yeah, the only other guy that

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Speaker 1: started the game for them was Tyler Wallace at wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: and he was the fourth round pick. That's it? What's it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean they got my those top two guys may

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Speaker 1: turn into players, and they showed some promise. But they

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Speaker 1: got twenty two starts out of the rookies, and they

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Speaker 1: had two first round draft picks, made two furs exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm not arguing the where these teams should be placed

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Speaker 1: because a lot of these are not real overwhelming, right Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of the point here. The Bears

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Speaker 1: got Justin Fields, Steven Jenkins, Larry Borom. Those guys all

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Speaker 1: look like they're guys who are going to be in

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Speaker 1: a mix for them. It looks like Jenkins and Borom

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Speaker 1: will be their starting tackles this year. The better or

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Speaker 1: worse neither one, you know, like in the World fire.

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Speaker 1: But Khalil Herbert did some stuff for them. Chris Tonga

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Speaker 1: they got in the seventh round. He ended up starting

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Speaker 1: a couple of games for them. I think that draft

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Speaker 1: should be ranked a little bit higher. That's that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I know Tonga doesn't mean a lot,

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Speaker 1: but a Keem Hicks is a free agent this year,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna replace him. I mean that has value as

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Speaker 1: a succession plan. And you and I like fields a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, right right, I think that's a pretty successful

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Speaker 1: draft if you get Justin Fields at the left. The

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Speaker 1: Panthers come in at nineteen. They only got three games

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Speaker 1: out of J. C. Horne, the eighth overall pick, before

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Speaker 1: he got hurt. Terris Marshall thirteen games, three starts. You know,

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Speaker 1: Brady Christensen Marshall, he didn't do much. Yeah, Christensen was Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's not I mean he's in the developmental tackle. Tommy

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Speaker 1: Tremble started eleven games for them. They got ten starts

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Speaker 1: at a Chuba Hubbard, but that wasn't the idea when

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Speaker 1: they drafted Chew Boba in the fourth round like Cagot hurt. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: um you okay, draft, let's say it's decent. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean Mark Marshall to me was disappointing. Horn got hurt,

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Speaker 1: but he looks like a real keeper. I like Tremble.

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Speaker 1: They had they had four of the top eighty three picks,

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Speaker 1: including number eight overall. I mean, you gotta you gotta

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Speaker 1: hit that out of the park. And that could have

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Speaker 1: been Justin Fields. By the way, how much different when

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Speaker 1: the franchise looked Now if they were sucking fields or

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Speaker 1: even Mac Jones or you know, the Giants come in

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Speaker 1: at twenty and other than and like two games from

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Speaker 1: Kadarius Tony was their first pick. What did they get

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Speaker 1: out of the draft class? I know, I thought Tony

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Speaker 1: looked amazing, but for two games, like you said, he

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Speaker 1: had one big game, like every other Giants wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: he just can't stay healthy. Yeah, they can't never be

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Speaker 1: on the field together. Glaris a keeper. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you can give them credit for you know, Rochet, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they didn't draft them. That's not there right there, you know, right, Um,

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Speaker 1: it's okay, but it's not great. The Jets are twenty

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Speaker 1: one and there's no way that the Jets Zach would

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Speaker 1: have a much higher They had two of the top

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Speaker 1: four team picks. They had three of the top thirty four.

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Speaker 1: They got Zack Wilson, Elijah Vera Tucker, and Elijah More

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Speaker 1: I mean Barah Tucker. More in the running back Carter,

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Speaker 1: they have to Michael Carter they got, Yeah, they got

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Speaker 1: Michael Carter in the fourth round of pick one oh seven.

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Speaker 1: That's I'm sorry. That should carry some weight. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Vera Tucker was very very good. I thought Elijah Moore

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Speaker 1: was very very good. Carter was better than I thought

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Speaker 1: at the point where maybe they don't draft the back

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Speaker 1: this year. And Wilson was bad, but he said, I

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Speaker 1: mean he's developed on a quarterback. We opened this thing

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Speaker 1: by saying, I don't know how you exactly judge Wilson

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Speaker 1: and Lawrence and guys like that. That's a pretty good haul.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know a lot about Brandon Neckles

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Speaker 1: the corner, but he started fourteen games. M Yeah, twenty

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Speaker 1: two of the Washington they gotta see. Plus they got

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Speaker 1: Jamie Davis in the first round, Samuel cos Me in

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Speaker 1: the second. Um if you look at the forty Niners

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Speaker 1: or twenty three Tree Lance who now they're talking about,

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Speaker 1: it is not even going to be potentially be the starter.

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Speaker 1: Was a bust. This might be the worst draft in

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Speaker 1: the league. They got. They got in the sixth rounds.

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Speaker 1: But he can't he's a big Yeah, he can't stay healthy. No, no,

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Speaker 1: and he won't. I mean that's just he's a typical

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Speaker 1: Niner running back that runs really fast until he breaks down,

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Speaker 1: until he runs into somebody. Yet twenty four is the

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Speaker 1: Vikings Dry saw in the first round. They had four

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Speaker 1: third round draft picks. This is another They made a

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Speaker 1: ton of picks over the last three years and a

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Speaker 1: very little show for it. Yeah. I don't know about

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Speaker 1: that one. The Bills come in a quick only. The Rams,

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Speaker 1: Seahawks and Bucks played fewer snaps and the Vikings and

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Speaker 1: they had all those picks come on. Yeah uh. The

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Speaker 1: Bills at Gregory Russo started seventeen games for them, Spencer

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Speaker 1: Brown started ten games. He took over a tackle and

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Speaker 1: I would move this one up. That one should be

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Speaker 1: moved up a little bit. The Buccaneers are twenty six.

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Speaker 1: They had the fewest snaps and they had seven Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Joe try On started six games for them. That's really

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Speaker 1: all the draft. The Cardinals were twenty seven. Zaven Collins

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Speaker 1: uh seventeen games, six starts, Ron del Moore fourteen games,

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Speaker 1: seven starts, Marco Wilson at cornerback fourteen games. Steen he

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Speaker 1: played a lot that they needed them to do. They're

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Speaker 1: bad at corner but welcome to nice pick here. Trump.

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars are all the way down. I don't know

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Speaker 1: where i'd put them. I love Lawrence, I had them.

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Speaker 1: You know the fact that at N gave you nothing

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Speaker 1: and the day two guys didn't do a ton, you know,

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Speaker 1: or a little concerning Cisco got hurt too. Tyson Campbell

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Speaker 1: started fourteen games for them. He did, he did it,

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Speaker 1: Mesic keeper. Yeah, they would be higher than this. The

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Speaker 1: Rams come in at twenty nine. They didn't have a

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Speaker 1: pick until fifty seven, which is again, if you don't

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Speaker 1: have a pick until fifty seven, you're probably gonna be

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Speaker 1: So they get a D plus out of that. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They hardly any staff's lade too, So loot of them

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Speaker 1: are the are the Colts? The Colts come in? The

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Speaker 1: Colts have been everybody's they saying what a great drafting

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Speaker 1: team the Colts have been. Quity pay in the first round.

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Speaker 1: He started fifteen games for them. Yeah, he doesn't think

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Speaker 1: he's been good. Uh d o aba yes, something like that. Um,

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Speaker 1: he was the one that had the Achilles. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you know it didn't expect much of him his rookie year.

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Speaker 1: Below that, the Titans, they got nothing out of Caleb

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Speaker 1: Farley really this year, Dylan rad Pick didn't do much,

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Speaker 1: Monty Rice, Elijah Molden Molten helped them out and helped

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Speaker 1: them a little bit. Yeah, and then last dead last,

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Speaker 1: they better be the team that had three draft picks.

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Speaker 1: That would be the Seattle Seahawks. UH ten games out

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Speaker 1: of Dwayne Eskridge, UH five games out of Trey Brown,

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Speaker 1: and ten games out of Stone Forsyth three combined starts,

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Speaker 1: and the Bucks actually played fewer snaps of rookies than Seattle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and only three eyes. Yeah. Interesting, But we're gonna take

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Speaker 1: a break. He is Matt Williams and I'm Dale Lala.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

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