1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Just like muscles on our body, we don't have them 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: by birth. We like do movements and then we get 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: these muscles, and so it's going to be the same 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: with any of these self kindness or self preservation techniques, 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: where it's going to feel a little awkward at first 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: or difficult, and then it becomes common and then it 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: feels good because you have this backbone of longevity through 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: these mechanisms you've created for yourself with these practices. And 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: sometimes we do, like boil over, we are going to 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: over commit sometimes, but that's okay. It's just once you 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: realize that you have make a shift. I keep telling 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: myself like, there's truly no regrets. There are only lessons, 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: and there are only regrets if you know you need 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: a change and you don't make it. 15 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: What is going on? Emily? A body here bringing you 16 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: Episode one, four forty nine of Hurdle, a wellness focused 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: podcast where I sit down with inspiring individuals to talk 18 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: about big wins, tough moments, and everything in between. On 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: the show, you can expect a vulnerability, motivation, and candid 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: discussions with everyone from top athletes and CEOs to aspiring 21 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: entrepreneurs on what it really takes to follow your passions. 22 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: My mission is simple to inspire you to be your. 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: Best self, move with intention, and have some fun along 24 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 3: the way. Today I am sitting down with runner, Olympian 25 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: and actor Alexi Papa so recently added author to her 26 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: resume with last. 27 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: Month's Hurdle book Club pick Brady. Alexi has conquered a 28 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: lot of hurdles in her life, from navigating her mother's 29 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: suicide at a young age to battling depression herself after 30 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: the twenty sixteen Olympic Games, back to in today's episode. Actually, 31 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: I really went into this interview understanding that many of 32 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: you have likely heard from Alexi before, just because of 33 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: all of the press that she's been doing surrounding her book. 34 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: I personally really loved her interview on rich Role. I 35 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 2: found it to be super captivating. But that doesn't mean, 36 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: and I want to say this upfront, that you won't 37 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: hear new stuff from her on this episode. And in fact, 38 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: I actually, and I know I'm a little bit biased, 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: but think this one is a gem. I specifically asked her, 40 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: you know, what haven't you been talking about? And she 41 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: answers a lot of tough questions, like how do you 42 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: pull yourself out of a dark place. How do you 43 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: get better at self care when maybe you have no 44 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: established practice? And I love what she said when I 45 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: asked her what it is that she sees when she 46 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: looks in the mirror. Again, super amped on this episode, 47 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: super grateful for Alexi's time. And I mentioned the Hurdle 48 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: book Club. If you happened to join us last week, 49 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: and you know that it was a really special conversation. 50 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to having more of those in the 51 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: coming weeks and months. I am right now trying to 52 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: home in on exactly what the next book club pick is. 53 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: So if you are listening to this and you have 54 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: a suggestion, I am all ears. I'm going to put 55 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: a link in the show notes where you can sign 56 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: up for the next book club and give me a 57 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: recommendation of what we should be reading. Of course, please 58 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: make sure you are following along with Hurdle over on 59 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: social media. It is at Hurdle Podcasts. I am also 60 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: over at Emily Abadi and last little bit of housekeeping, 61 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: Please make sure that you rate and review the show 62 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: in Apple Podcasts, and if you have yet to do so, 63 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: sign up for the weekly Hurdle link to do all 64 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: this goodness in the show notes With that, Oh, let's 65 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: get to hurdling. 66 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: Today. 67 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: I'm sitting down with Alexi Papa. She is a runner, 68 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: an Olympian and actor, a new author. How are you. 69 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. I'm thrilled to be here and I'm 70 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: so grateful that you have read Bravy. 71 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: It is on the bookshelf. It is on the bookshelf. 72 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have you on here today. I 73 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: have been inundated in the best of ways, really with 74 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: interviews from you over the last couple of weeks. 75 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 1: Correct. 76 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: Has that been like kind of a mind blowing moment 77 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: for you to have all of these different conversations. I 78 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: would imagine it's kind of or could be a little therapeutic. 79 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's been interesting because when you write a book, 80 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: I think you imagine a book tour. That's different than 81 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: a virtual book tour. But it is a virtual book tour, 82 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: and that allowed me to do more interviews and even 83 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: some people who would never do something that was remote 84 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: like abroad there you know. I think some of these 85 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: folks made adjustments and so it was really it's been wonderful. 86 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: I think the most surprising of all all of these 87 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: conversations was one that I had with soldiers in the 88 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: army at the Pentagon, and that came about because soldiers 89 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: see themselves as athletes, which they are, and I think 90 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: the way there's one part in Bravey that talks about 91 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: mental health, or there's a few parts, and I think 92 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: some of the vocabulary that I learned the hard way 93 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: proved to be very useful to them. And so I 94 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: think that was like the most surprising and gratifying moment 95 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: of this whole thing, because it was that and the 96 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: teenagers who have reached out that have said I hate 97 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: reading books. I usually can't sit through a book, and 98 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: I plowed through your book. I was like, that's amazing. 99 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: In general, would you say that the feedback from teenagers 100 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: and like young women has really been some of the 101 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: most rewarding feedback for you from this book. 102 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, because that is like who I 103 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: imagined reading it, because that's who I That's who I was, right. 104 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: I was like a young teenage girl wanting to find 105 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: something to imitate. And I would have, you know, devoured 106 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: this book as I used to devour Britney Spears videos 107 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: and things I think so. 108 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, a lot of us have 109 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: been hearing a lot about your story lately, but I 110 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: think I would be remiss if I didn't ask you 111 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: to give us some backstory, give us a little bit 112 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 2: about growing up in California and what that was like 113 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: for you. 114 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I grew up in the Bay Area and 115 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: it was just my dad and my brother and me 116 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: after my mom passed away when I was almost five, 117 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: and it was like a hilarious, challenging way to grow 118 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: up because you know, there were so many moments that 119 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: you know, puberty ridden moments that I went through with 120 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: like my dad and my brother that were funny and 121 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: awkward and difficult, and I think all the while grew up, 122 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, determined to be successful, to be honest, and 123 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: be happy, and that was something that I perceived that 124 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: my mom was not, and I just wanted to not 125 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: be whatever it was that I thought that she was. 126 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: And so I grew up very busy because that's how 127 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: my dad, I think, coped with the trauma. Like he 128 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: was just like, we'd just have to keep them busy, 129 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: and so he did. And I don't think I slowed 130 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: down really until I had my own post Olympic depression, 131 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: which I did not try to slow down. I had 132 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: to eventually, and that wasn't until you know, twenty sixteen. 133 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: So it's been a it's been quite a life of 134 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: trying hard and maybe finding some solutions but not all 135 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: the right ones to this like internal you know void. 136 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: I guess when you were going, going, going, do you 137 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 2: remember at all a time previous to post Olympics where 138 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: you may have gotten a taste of what it was 139 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: like to slow down and thought to yourself like, this 140 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: isn't for me. 141 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: I think I've never been bored in my life. Like 142 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: some people are like, well, when you get bored, what 143 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: are you do? And I'm like, I've never been bored. 144 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: But I don't think I did super well with you know, 145 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: stillness or having no goals. And I think even rest 146 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: is a type of activity. So I think, yeah, you're right. 147 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: I was not very comfortable with pausing, and that is 148 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: a strength and it's also a weakness. 149 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, now that you feel a little bit more comfortable 150 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: with pausing, although I would argue because of your accolades 151 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: and the multi hyphen that we just kind of threw 152 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: into the world, that you're not pausing too much. But 153 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: now that you're a little bit better with it, what 154 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: advice would you offer to someone else who also feels 155 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 2: like they struggle with the stillness. 156 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: The only thing you know, and I wrote about this 157 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: in Braby, but actions change thoughts, which changed feelings in 158 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: that order, and that was something I learned. But you know, 159 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: pausing can is an action. So I think i've maybe 160 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: that's like a mind trickery of being like, look, this 161 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: is part of success. This is part of moving forward, 162 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: is slowing down, and also that Okay, here's what I 163 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: will tell them. There's this I need to know what 164 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: this documentary is called. Hold on, I want to figure 165 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: this out. It's the octopus documentary. Is it my friend 166 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: the octopus or the octopus? My ocictcurpus teacher? My octopus teacher, Yeah, 167 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: my octopus teacher. And there's a part in it it's 168 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: just about you know, a real octopus. It's a documentary 169 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: and there's a part where his arm he has to 170 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: like regrow one of his arms, and the octopus goes 171 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: under a rock and regrows the arm and it takes 172 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: a long time. And I think that's that. What is 173 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,239 Speaker 1: cool is looking to nature to be like this occurs elsewhere, 174 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: and this animal that's very smart, because octopus are very smart, 175 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: will take the time to regrow their arm. And I 176 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: think for me, you know, that is a particularly apt 177 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: comparison if you are actually injured, but also if you're 178 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: just like regrowing your willpower or you're you know, you 179 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: have this adrenal fatigue as you do after chasing any 180 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: big goal, and I think just imagining that if the 181 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: octopus can do it, then I can too, and it's 182 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: it's like a natural good thing, uh, And it is 183 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: going to help the octopus and me in the long run. 184 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think the message there is like, 185 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: if you can't do it for yourself, like try to 186 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: find imagery that makes you feel more okay doing the 187 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: things that you know you should do or you know 188 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: you want to do. 189 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: And I also think that's why it's helpful to hear 190 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: other people talk some of these things out, whether it's 191 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: on podcasts or videos or Instagram or wherever you're getting 192 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: your information from. It's like when you can hear two 193 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: people talk about the importance of slowing down, and sometimes 194 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 2: you don't realize that you've been going a thousand miles 195 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: an hour. Then you're like, oh shit, like it's time 196 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: to take a beat. It's time to be the octopus. 197 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: Yep, exactly, and that whatever useful to you. You know, 198 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: if the octopus helps, great, if the podcast helps great. 199 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: So, as you were growing up, you are in this 200 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 2: go go go lifestyle, you start running. Talk to me 201 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: about your relationship with running as you were coming of 202 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: age and still grieving the loss of your mom. 203 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: Running well. I liked a lot of sports. Running was 204 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: the thing I was best at in all of the 205 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: other sports that I played, and I think something that 206 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: I liked about running was how I could put in 207 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: time into the sport and definitely improve And that like 208 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: sense of control or like predicted improvement is something I 209 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: think we all would like to have, and it was 210 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: you know, you can have it in running. I do 211 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: think for most people, if you try it, it is 212 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: something that's gratifying. It was a box I could tick 213 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: every day, like did this, and I liked that feeling 214 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: of probably control right. I also liked to win. I 215 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: liked to be good at something because whether this is 216 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: a sustainable emotional driving force or not, I wanted to 217 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: matter because I didn't as a child feel like I 218 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: madded enough for my mom to stay. She took her 219 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: own life, and that I would come later to understand 220 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: to be totally false and not the reality. But that 221 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: was all I could understand when I was a kid, 222 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: And so running was a great way to like push 223 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: myself in like a healthy way. Right. It's like a 224 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: good kind of pain, and it did a lot of 225 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: things for me, although I didn't love it at first 226 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: because I loved team sports and I didn't understand at 227 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: first that running could be a team sport too. That 228 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: took some time. 229 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 2: I like what you said, and I've heard you talk 230 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: about this before, the good kind of pain. Talk to 231 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: me about the difference between the good pain and the 232 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: bad pain. 233 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: So I think bad pain is, like we two know 234 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: what bad pain is. It's anything that is, you know, injury. 235 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: It is maybe chasing things for the wrong reason, Like 236 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: if we're making decisions out of fear, maybe there's some 237 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: bad pain in there. I think that good pain is 238 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: like athletic pain. If you're not injured, that's like a 239 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: good pain. I even think like heartbreak and failing facing 240 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: hurdles in a you know, dream, chasing scenario is kind 241 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: of good pain because it means we like cared about 242 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: something enough, you know, as long as it wasn't. I mean, 243 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: there's bad heartbreak too, but you know, I think intuitively, 244 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: if you just think about any moment of pain in 245 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: your life, you could probably be honest with yourself about 246 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: whether it was good pain or bad pain. And you 247 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: could also probably trick yourself into thinking it was one 248 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: when it was the other, if you wanted to. What 249 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: I had to understand was because I didn't like the 250 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: pain of running at first, right, and I thought it 251 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: was bad pain, but I came to understand eventually that 252 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: it was good pain. I was choosing to like run 253 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: up this mountain, and it was inherently like a good 254 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: way to learn how to fall down and get back up. 255 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: And I do think depression and some of those feelings 256 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: are bad pain, and they can heal, just like an 257 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: injury can heal. But I think it was important to 258 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: recognize that bad pain. We don't choose it, but we 259 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: do have to make choices to help ourselves get out 260 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: of it. 261 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think a lot of people struggle with 262 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: making the choice, especially when bad pain is coming in 263 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: a familiar situation. Yeah, So you then go on to college, 264 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: and it's funny that you talk about like embracing the 265 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: good pain that running gives you even though you weren't 266 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: the best at it. I know that when you got 267 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: to Dartmouth you were actually the quote unquote slowest person 268 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: on your team. So what made you stick with it 269 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: when you weren't performing at the same level as all 270 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: of your teammates. 271 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: Well, I think a couple things. One, I was happy 272 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: in the environment, so like, I liked the people on 273 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: my team, I liked the school I was at in 274 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. I felt like I was in a place 275 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: that I could love. I was not doing the thing 276 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to do, which was to contribute a team 277 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: point that was like all I really wanted. But I 278 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: tried to find ways to contribute in other ways, like 279 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: by being there every day, by showing up, and like, 280 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: I think, you know, when we can't contribute in the 281 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: ways we would like to, we still have to find 282 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: ways to feel valued to ourselves and to others. And 283 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: I did a pretty good job of that to the 284 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: point where I stuck around long enough to improve. But 285 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: it was humbling and hard and humiliating. At times to 286 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: come and last at a race or never not even 287 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: be allowed to run the race. And I tried to 288 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: also have a sense of humor about those moments because 289 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: it was sweet and it was a sport. It wasn't 290 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: like such a big I just you know, it's kind 291 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: of sweet to watch yourself come in last and know 292 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: that hopefully it won't be that way forever. And it's 293 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: hard to be like nostalgic for a moment in the present, 294 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: but like I tried to assume it wouldn't be that 295 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: way forever and just be proud of myself and want 296 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: more out of myself at that moment. But it wasn't 297 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: I think it wasn't always easy. Humor really helps. I 298 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: don't know if you. 299 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: Agree, No, I totally agree. I totally agree. And I 300 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: think it's like that, can you take a step back 301 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: and look at this holistically, like the fact that you 302 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: could take a step back from that experience when you 303 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: weren't on the top of the roster, on the top 304 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: of the people coming in for a second, et cetera, 305 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 2: When you could take a step back and look at 306 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: how you felt doing this thing instead of just like 307 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: the number and the outcome. I think that shows a 308 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: lot of wisdom and really great perspective. 309 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: Thank you well. Also, we just have to let ourselves 310 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: have the chance to improve. I think sometimes we put 311 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: ourselves into short of like we put ourselves in like 312 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: a toaster oven when we really need like a long 313 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: oven roast to become the thing we want to become, 314 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: and like it wasn't going to happen in like a 315 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: one toast cycle, Like it was going to take time, 316 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: And so I tried to like accept that the good 317 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: news and the bad news was that hanging in there 318 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: long enough would work. And I think swallowing that as 319 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: early as we can in like a process that might 320 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: take a while is super helpful because then you're like, 321 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm not expecting that tomorrow I have the result I want. 322 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: And that applies to any dream. But also like that 323 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: mental health journey too, where if you are, you know, 324 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: in a tough spot, you're probably going to wake up 325 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: sad every day for a while, but it doesn't mean 326 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: you're not healing or improving. It just means you're not 327 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: going to feel it right away. And so I think 328 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: patience is hard, but it's less hard if we expect 329 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: it to take a while. 330 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: Whatever it is, so then you are committed to your 331 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: running journey. You're committed to sticking it out. When do 332 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: you start to see the fruits of your efforts really 333 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: pay off in sport? 334 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: I felt the fruits of my effort payoff when I 335 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: scored a single team point my junior year of college. 336 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: It was so great. I have a tattoo actually to 337 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: celebrate this this moment. So I was on a relay team, 338 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: which is very fun because it makes running truly a 339 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: team sport. And we really wanted to go to Nationals 340 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: and that sounds like, I mean, you know, it's a 341 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: big dream if you're an NCAA athlete in running particularly, 342 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: And we made it as a team in this relay 343 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: because I wasn't good enough to be an individual there 344 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: and we made it like a last chance to meet 345 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: and we were just happy to be at Nationals that 346 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: we were like, we want to get tattoos to celebrate 347 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: even being here. And our coach was like, you can't 348 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: get tattoos unless you like get all American, just top 349 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: eight in the national race or or podium, which would 350 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: be top three, And we made a bet with each other. 351 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: We were like Okay, if we podium, if we get 352 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: top eight, we will get the tattoo. And he was like, 353 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: if you podium, our coach said he would get the tattoo, 354 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: and we were He was like, there's just no way, 355 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: you guys podium. The guys are like ranked last in 356 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: this race. And it was a relay and sometimes people 357 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: like our tactical in these relay races, and somebody slowed 358 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: down the race enough. It was a Florida state girl 359 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: that we got third in this race, and you would 360 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: have thought we won because we were crying and it 361 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: meant so much, and I think it was really, you know, 362 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: representative of how how much joy I felt, and our 363 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: team felt at like chipping away at something and and 364 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, being up there. We didn't win, but like 365 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: it felt like we won. And I think that's sometimes 366 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: good enough. You know in your own mind what your 367 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: what your win is. Oh, we all have the tattoo. 368 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: Even the coach, Yeah, he got it. 369 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: It was a lone pine, a little tree, which was 370 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: kind of the mascot sort of. 371 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: I love that. And so as you you know, you 372 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: earn the point this was a big deal. Then are 373 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: you like completely satisfied or in your head you're like, Okay, 374 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: so what's next. 375 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: Well, it's you're always wanting to know what's next. And 376 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I've tried to 377 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: respect more and it's it's it's hard when there's like 378 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: always the next you could jump to immediately. Is the 379 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: kind of come down between peaks in your life and 380 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: like respecting the moment after. And I haven't been historically 381 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: great at that, and who is. I mean, it's hard 382 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: if you're riding the momentum of one success or moment 383 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: to pause and absorb, let that absorb, which is why 384 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: when people are like do you ever party, I'm like, well, 385 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: there is a time and a place, and like I 386 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: think it's at the end of the season and things 387 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: like that. You know, that's a side note, but but 388 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: I did want to know what was next. And I 389 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: was like a poet at the time and thought that 390 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: it was going to be grad school for writing, and 391 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: I realized that I could possibly run this fifth year, 392 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: which some athletes have like an additional season or two 393 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: at Oregon, which was a different school and they were 394 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: very running focused, and I took that opportunity because it 395 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: was a rare one where my one team point would 396 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: actually mean the national title, you. 397 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: Know, which is a big deal. 398 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: Yes, and we did it and we won and it 399 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: did matter. 400 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 2: And it did matter. Well, it always isn't that the thing? Like, 401 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 2: it always matters. It just might not matter in the 402 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: way that you would hope that it could. 403 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, it matters differently. 404 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 2: Yes, you go to do the fifth year. You then 405 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:53,239 Speaker 2: transition after college into a place where you're like, do 406 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: you think right away you know what I'm going to 407 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: try to do. I'm going to try to go to 408 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: the Olympics in twenty sixteen. 409 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: No, I think, But like that conversation we had earlier 410 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: about you know, letting myself sink and sink into like 411 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: a goal chasing period of time, I think I took 412 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: my life year by year and right after you know, 413 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: when I went to Oregon, my goal was to contribute 414 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: to that team. But when I graduated Oregon, I did 415 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: start to think that chasing the Olympic dream would be 416 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: possible and could be a goal I could set for myself. 417 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: So that's when I like set it out loud, was 418 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: probably you know, I was probably like twenty two or something, 419 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: and that was when I just decided to like go 420 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: for it for that cycle. 421 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 2: So that's like a big thing to say out loud. 422 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: It's scary because it means you might like not get 423 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: the thing that you say you want. 424 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: In that regard, I think a lot of people are 425 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 2: scared to say the things that they really want or 426 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: chase after these big things because they're scared of the 427 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: letdown or the quote unquote failure. For someone who's like 428 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 2: holding back because of those possible repercussions, like what do 429 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 2: you say to them? 430 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: Well, it is like the bravest thing you could ever 431 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: do is to try your best, not to be the best, 432 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: but to try your best, because the first step to 433 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: trying your best is saying what am I trying for? 434 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 3: Right? 435 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: And if you know that you're trying your best, that's 436 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: very brave because it means that if you don't get 437 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: the goal that you're chasing, you have nothing to fall 438 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: back on, Like you don't have the excuse of like, 439 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: well I didn't really try, you know. And I think 440 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: people are comforted by the what is that called standbagging. 441 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: I think that that's a comfort that people might give themselves, 442 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: but it's not the best way to live. Like I 443 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: think it's much better to be able to go to 444 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: sleep at night and feel like you've truly tried your best, 445 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: even if trying your best doesn't mean again being the best, 446 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: or even if trying your best on any given day 447 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: means different things, because if you feel crappy one hundred percent, 448 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: like trying your best of crappy is going to look different. 449 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: But I feel like the advice I want to give 450 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: people is just that it will be worth it, and 451 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: you will feel so grateful to yourself that you gave 452 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: yourself the chance to try your best and to chase something. 453 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: There's no regrets in that. 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Talk to 501 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 2: me about trying your best at the Olympics in real. 502 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: Yes, well, much of the trying the best happened leading 503 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: up to the Olympics. And I think what trying your 504 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: best means when you get there, Because you can't train anymore. 505 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,479 Speaker 1: You're there, You're there, Your your body is as prepared 506 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: as it will be. It was embracing the Olympics as 507 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: different than every other race. That was what trying my 508 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: best meant, because being there is so chaotic and different 509 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: than any other experience that it would be easy to 510 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: feel like some of those differences were insurmountable challenges that 511 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: would make this race or whatever, you know, game, whatever athlete, 512 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: whatever you are going to do at the Olympics seem 513 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: hard and seem impossible and seem too different. And so 514 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: for me, trying my best meant embracing exactly what it 515 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: was and trying to decide as to why every single 516 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: thing I encountered was a reason why I would succeed 517 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: not fail whatever it was, you know, challenges, pleasant surprises, 518 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: and so it was a mindset that I needed to 519 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: have because my body was already prepared for sure. 520 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: So you go to the Olympics, and we all know 521 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 2: what happens after the Olympics, because many of us have 522 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: now read both your book and your op ed in 523 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: the New York Times. Talk to me about maybe that 524 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: moment when you realize that you needed to do something 525 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: about your mental health in the months and year that 526 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 2: followed the Olympics. 527 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I did not realize it for a long time, 528 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: and I just wanted to know what was next, like 529 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, and I wanted to know yesterday. 530 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: And I think it was my dad basically, who could 531 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 1: see in me that something was not right and I 532 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: was spinning out and speeding up rather than slow down 533 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: in the moment after the Olympics and the moments in 534 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: the months after the Olympics, and he and my brother 535 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, told me that they, you know, they really 536 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: thought that I needed help and they made the appointments 537 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: for me. And I think that is a hard thing 538 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: to admit because I would like to have said that 539 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: I recognized it in myself, but I really didn't have 540 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: that vocabulary at the time. I really didn't understand that 541 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: my brain was like a body part. And if I 542 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 1: was having symptoms like not sleeping, which I wasn't sleeping 543 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: at all, like maybe an hour a night, that that 544 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: is as bad as like when your ankle feels really off, 545 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's like something in your body is off. 546 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: You will make some sort of adjustment or see someone 547 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: for help. But I tried to take it upon my 548 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: self to fix all these things. And so it was 549 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: a couple months later that I finally got help and 550 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: got that vocabulary to see that my brain was a 551 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: body part and could get injured and could heal. And 552 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: then I shifted my focus completely because I think, you know, 553 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: talking about goal chasing, you have to know what your 554 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: goal is, and I was chasing the next goal. I 555 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: wanted to find the next goal. I was chasing fitness 556 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: when my health was not there. And I think once 557 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: we know that the goal needs to shift, we should. 558 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: We can shift immediately to chasing the proper goal, and 559 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: if health isn't there, that's always going to be the 560 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: thing that we should chase first. Right. 561 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 2: You told Ritual that Bravy is the best thing you've 562 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 2: ever written and that it was something in terms of 563 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 2: goals that was like a big goal for you. So 564 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: now that Bravy is in the world, do you think 565 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: about the next goal? 566 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been in working on the next goal the 567 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: whole time, and I think the hard part is trying 568 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: to pause again and telling myself, look, a book release 569 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: is like a type of Olympics. It is a kind 570 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: of Olympics, like to write and release a book is 571 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: an Olympics of sorts. And so I'm trying to pause 572 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: and like, let my adrenal fatigue, you know, come back, 573 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: and I can tell that I need to respect this moment. 574 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: It's I'm glad I have a partner in Jeremy, because 575 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: we do have creative projects that are unfolding, and he 576 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: has really taken the lead on those, and I think 577 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: that's partly my communicating with him that like, hey, I'm 578 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: likely to overdo this and I need to just have 579 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, at least I need to be the vice 580 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: president of those projects right now. And I'm running. But 581 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: I think my goals and running are later in the spring. 582 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: They're not like winter goals. And that was a product 583 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: of like, it's just not being reasonable to race, you know, 584 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: in February or March. So yeah, I'm letting. I'm trying 585 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: to let it come back and do the things I 586 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: know will help me rebound and be able to chase 587 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: the next goal with like two feet on the ground. 588 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 2: I love that you mentioned the vocabulary that you learned 589 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: when it came to talking about mental health, and I'm 590 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: sure after seeking out some help, you got to a 591 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 2: place where you had to start implementing a lot more 592 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: self compassion and a lot more like grace with yourself. 593 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: What is your advice for someone who's struggling to implement 594 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: self care, self love and to have that grace from 595 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: your own experience. 596 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think making it official. So I remember when 597 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: I started training pretty seriously, but also as chasing these 598 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: film dreams, I felt guilty about mapping, for example, and 599 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: then I just started calling them meetings, where like I 600 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: had a meeting, like with my bed or whatever, and 601 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: people like respect meetings they respect like doctor's appointments or whatever. 602 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: So I just would say I have a meeting or 603 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: an appointment, and that made me feel a little bit 604 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: better about it because it was more official. And I 605 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: think whatever it takes for you to like take it 606 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: seriously or let your world around you take it seriously 607 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: is fine. Like it's okay if you have to label 608 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: it something like an appointment with your bed, that's fine 609 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: if that's what you do, you know, but just making 610 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: it a little bit as official as you would other 611 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: obligations in your life. 612 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 2: I really like what you said about putting your running 613 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 2: goals or your bigger running goals kind of on the 614 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: back burner, with the understanding of like when you're going 615 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 2: to execute on that. I think what many people struggle 616 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: with myself included is that I, like you like, want 617 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: to do the best I can at everything that I'm doing, 618 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: and sometimes in that effort, I will tend to burn out, 619 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: which is not you know what we want to do. 620 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: So that you reiterating like I'm going to need to 621 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: be the vice president on this, it shows a lot 622 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 2: of personal understanding and probably for you saying that back, 623 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 2: like you must see a lot of personal growth in that. 624 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel and you also see the positive effect 625 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: it has to just be more honest with yourself and 626 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: the people around you. Of like, there's a positive feedback loop. 627 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: I think that's what you're referring to. You see, and 628 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: then you've grown the muscle that respects your own wellbeing. 629 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: You know, they're all like these invisible muscles that we're growing, 630 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: just like muscles on our body. We don't have them 631 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: by birth. We like do movements and then we get 632 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: these muscles. And so it's going to be the same 633 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: with any of these self kindness or self preservation techniques, 634 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: where it's going to feel a little awkward at first 635 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: or difficult, and then it becomes common and then it 636 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,439 Speaker 1: feels good because you have this backbone of longevity through 637 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: these mechanisms you've created for yourself with these practices, and 638 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: sometimes we do like boil over, we are going to 639 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: over commit sometimes, but that's okay. It's just once you 640 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: realize that you have make a shift. I keep telling myself, 641 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: like there's truly no regrets. There are only lessons, and 642 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: there are only regrets. If you know you need a 643 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: change and you don't make it, it's okay to like 644 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: realize you need a change, just shift there and give 645 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: yourself the kindness to just instantly shift when you need to. 646 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 2: When you need to, you opened up to your family 647 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 2: about your mental health struggles. Who else in your journey 648 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 2: opening up about what was going on for you has 649 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 2: helped you along the way. 650 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: Well, when I was in the deep of it, I 651 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 1: think my family and my doctor were the best support 652 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: that I had. Now, I do think it's been helpful 653 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: to talk to other like people at the pinnacles of 654 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: their world and just understand that we all one get 655 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: different vocabulary. Like I remember speaking to someone and understanding 656 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: what he does to feel okay every single day, like 657 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: little like techniques and tactics, but also looking up to 658 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: people as mentors not just for like what they do, 659 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: but for what they don't do, you know, and just 660 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: like taking that as permission to do and don't do 661 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: accordingly as well. And that just makes everybody seem more 662 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: human and it makes us feel more human. So that's 663 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: been helpful, I guess, being around studying and like looking 664 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 1: up to different people. 665 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 2: When someone goes to your Instagram page, they see a 666 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 2: woman with eighty thousand plus followers and olympian and actress. Now, 667 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 2: I guess someone would say, now an author. When you 668 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 2: look in the mirror, what is it that you see 669 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 2: looking back at you? 670 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: Oh, what a fun question I see. I think I 671 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 1: see someone who is trying her very best and still 672 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: feels a little bit like the kid on stage in 673 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: the elementary school play, because I think there's no one 674 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: who tries harder than that kid who's like just you know, 675 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: in a costume, trying to tap dance, you know, trying 676 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: to smile at their parents and the audience, trying to remember, 677 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: you know, their lines. Like I do feel like that, 678 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: but there's a joy in that because that's a wonderful 679 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: place to try and fall down sometimes. So I think 680 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 1: I see that person where it's like Wow, I'm still 681 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 1: out here trying my best and like I could still 682 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: really humiliate myself, but that's like, that's just a beautiful 683 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: way to live. So you know, it's not like I 684 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: look at myself and I'm like, I've got it all together, 685 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,720 Speaker 1: but that's okay, I've got more. I'm like an adult face, 686 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: but still in that like I'm still tap dancing a 687 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: little bit. 688 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 2: I think we all are tap dancing like every single day, 689 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 2: and anyone who pretends that they're not is just like it's. 690 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: Not real or they've chosen to not put themselves in 691 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: positions to do that, and that's okay too. Like I 692 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: do think if someone like doesn't want to like feel 693 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 1: like they're constantly in like an audition for a play, 694 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: that's okay. It's just like knowing yourself. And I like 695 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: that feeling of like being in a position where like 696 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: it might go well and it might not. I like it, 697 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: but not everyone likes it, and I think that that's 698 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: okay too. 699 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 2: What excites you right now? 700 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: I'm excited to like see how the Olympics looks, like, 701 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: you know, meaning what my role in it will be, 702 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: what you know, how it's how it's going to be, 703 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: and I think it'll be a beautiful thing to see 704 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: the world come together in that way. I'm excited about 705 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: a TV show that I'm working on, in a feature 706 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,959 Speaker 1: film I'm working on, and I'm excited for more teenagers 707 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: and the like. I'm excited for people to find this 708 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: book because I am really proud of it. So I 709 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: hope it slowly trickles its way into the world to 710 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: people who might, you know, like it. 711 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure it definitely is. I mean, it's certainly making 712 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 2: I would say more than a trickle, kind of like 713 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 2: a splash here when I mean, like I said, you 714 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 2: have certainly had some really great conversations over the past 715 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 2: few weeks, which was why I want to ask you this, 716 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 2: this next and close to final question. You in these 717 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 2: conversations have told us so much about your life and 718 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 2: your experience with everything from running to acting to mental 719 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 2: health struggles. Is there anything when you sit down and 720 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 2: you reflect at the end of the day and you 721 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 2: ask yourself, am I talking about this enough? Is there 722 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 2: anything that you think to yourself? I want to talk. 723 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: About this well. I think a lot of the book 724 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: conversation has leaned towards mental health, which is like really 725 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: timely and important, and it was like it's good vocabulary 726 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: to talk about that. I like discovered the hard way 727 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: and shared in Bravy. But I do think that the 728 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: more that the useful, the most useful part to me 729 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: in my life was like just trying to see every 730 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: scenario somehow in my favor and like just talking about 731 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: how we can try to change our narrative and see 732 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: it as more subjective than objective, even in a sport 733 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: like running that seems pretty objective. I think to share 734 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: that with people because that's everything. It's like, that's everything 735 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: in the world, is like how we see our story 736 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: unfolding and how we tell it to ourselves first and 737 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: then maybe to the world. And it's not you know, 738 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: I respect people who like share their challenges, you know, 739 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: on social media or otherwise, but I do think like 740 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: there's a way that you can share it where you 741 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: see yourself as like always ending up as some kind 742 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: of hero even if you're going through something absolutely terribly hard. 743 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,280 Speaker 1: I don't know why we wouldn't try and like emerge 744 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: victorious as best we can. 745 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 2: I love the word useful and I loved how you 746 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 2: explained how helpful that word has been to you when 747 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 2: you were talking to Michael Gervais. 748 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so useful. 749 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so useful, useful, it's so useful. 750 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: It is. 751 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 2: Alexi, you have an opportunity to offer yourself one piece 752 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 2: of advice looking back on the post Olympics phase of 753 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 2: your life, going through that hurdle moment. What do you 754 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:45,760 Speaker 2: tell yourself? 755 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: Oh, I would tell her that everything is going to 756 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: be okay, even if you don't think so, and even 757 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: better than you think it could ever be, and that 758 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: your brain is a body part. Honestly. I mean I 759 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: needed to know that then and I didn't understand it, 760 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: So that would have been very useful to know a 761 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: few months before I knew it. 762 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 2: And now you know it and now you're spreading the message. Yeah, yes, Alexi, 763 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 2: thanks so much for your time, Diday. I really really 764 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 765 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, and thank you for doing 766 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: this podcast. 767 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 2: Alexi. How do the hurdlers keep up with you? How 768 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 2: do they stay in the loop? Give me all of 769 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 2: your details. 770 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: My details are just my name, Alexi, A L E 771 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: x I pappus p A P p as. That's Instagram 772 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: and Twitter. And the book is called Bravey with a 773 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: forward by Maya Rudolph and I hope you love it 774 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: and it's everywhere, so you can find it at your 775 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: local bookstore. I hope to support those locals you know. 776 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,280 Speaker 2: Support them. I'm over at Emily a Body at Hurdle 777 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 2: Podcast Another Hurdle Conquered. Catch you guys next time 778 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 3: In My Heir