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Speaker 1: This is How Men Think with broths Like and Gavin

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Speaker 1: de grab and I hear radio podcast. Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: episode of How Men Think. My name is Brooks Like

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Speaker 1: and we have a new co host in here with

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Speaker 1: us today. And it's always a joy of mine when

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Speaker 1: we bring on. I always look at these guys as brothers,

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Speaker 1: brothers or sisters because they are athletes. And we have

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Speaker 1: a professional athlete. We have a retired I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't even want to say that because it's not my

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Speaker 1: League player NFL player played to the Buffalo Bills, Jackson's

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Speaker 1: Bille Jaguars and my Skins, my Washington Redskins. He's a husband,

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Speaker 1: he's a father. We have Michael Cosson in with us. Michael,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Brother, Thank you, thank you, Brooks

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Man. Dude, did I see your last last name? Right?

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Speaker 1: You did? You did? And that's that's my wife's biggest

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Speaker 1: gripe about being married with me. Really is my last

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Speaker 1: name because legally her last name is Corson and no

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Speaker 1: one can pronounce it over phone. Everyone thinks when you

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Speaker 1: say s, they say F like, oh, coffin, got it

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Speaker 1: got We're like, no, okay, whatever, oh cause my last

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Speaker 1: name gets butchered all the time. My last name is

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Speaker 1: like although it looks like late and so I'm always like,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say people's names right. So, rather

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you for being on the show, Um, I

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Speaker 1: want to dig into your journey because the reason I like,

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Speaker 1: I always loved the journey of an athlete because I

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Speaker 1: and seeing your transition from sport to what you're doing

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Speaker 1: now is is just aligns with me. So, Um, you

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Speaker 1: that is a freaking beast of a sport that is

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Speaker 1: a hard, hard sport. Um, And now you've come out

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Speaker 1: to share with our listeners to then maybe I haven't

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Speaker 1: listened to your podcast yet, but what the transition has

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Speaker 1: been like for you coming out of the sport, moving

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things that you know as an

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Speaker 1: when you're in your sport. It does feel like it's

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Speaker 1: you can't really foresee you not doing it. You know

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Speaker 1: inevitably you have to stop, but you just that's not

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Speaker 1: a reality for you. It's just for athletes. We get

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Speaker 1: stuck in our bubble, in our mindset because it consumes

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Speaker 1: you so much. So when you come out of that

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Speaker 1: of you know, being an athlete and going back into reality,

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Speaker 1: it's it is, though, what now? Like you can prepare

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Speaker 1: all you want And I did that too when I was,

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Speaker 1: you know, playing the NFL Externships every season, and I

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Speaker 1: try to set myself up, but then life happens. I

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be Michael and I sharing our stories in

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Speaker 1: relation to hockey and in relation to football. But it

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Speaker 1: can be just a midlife pivot. It can be maybe

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Speaker 1: into some listener questions about why men like sports so much?

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Speaker 1: So who better to answer that than you, buddy? Uh,

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Speaker 1: that gives you that immediate uh energy or excitement or

428
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 1: euphoria that sports does. Nothing else in life gets you

429
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: out of your seat jumping, or have grown men and

430
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: women paint their faces or were crazy costumes at arenas

431
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,959
Speaker 1: or stadiums. Nothing else does that. That's why we love it.

432
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: That's true. Um so is it? Do you think that

433
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 1: like guys are reliving their glory days with that or

434
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 1: is it the other reason? One other reason I heard

435
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: why men really love sports, it was a great conversation

436
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: I had, was because they see people that pursued their dreams.

437
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 1: So they see people that didn't give up. Because I

438
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: think every I could be wrong. I'm not I shouldn't

439
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: put paint just a broad stroke, but a lot of

440
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: guys when their kids want to be a professional baseball player,

441
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 1: played in the NFL, be a professional hockey player. Those

442
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: are things we want to do when we're kids. We

443
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: see that as so cool, right, And as you get older,

444
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: for a lot of men, they let that go and

445
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: they pursue other things in life, which is great. They're

446
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: very successful. They maybe are more fulfilled and happy in

447
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: other areas. But they also I think have somewhat of

448
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 1: a respect for that guy held onto that dream and

449
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: he pursued it. And I used to play against that guy.

450
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: I played against one guy who played college. You know,

451
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: like they still find themselves, they see themselves in the

452
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: sport a little bit. And we all we all know

453
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 1: the guy too that that said that, Well, if I

454
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: didn't have this, and if I didn't blow my shoulder

455
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: out in high school, if I didn't tear my cl

456
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: on this, I would have I would have dated too everywhere.

457
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: Uh and then there's the other guy. The older they get,

458
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: the better they were. Um. Yeah, those guys are put

459
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: the guys with the injuries. So true story. I had

460
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: one guy. I met a guy I was on vacation

461
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: after the season ended. I would book like four flights,

462
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: five flights. Me and my brother and my buddies and

463
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: we go somewhere and we're in Mexico and I had

464
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: a guy was just talking to him. I was like, so,

465
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: what's your name and he's like, my name is blah blah.

466
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to say his name. And he's like

467
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, um, tell me give me a

468
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: real quick life story in like twenty seconds. And he's like, well,

469
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,719
Speaker 1: I was a professional hockey player. I was drafted by

470
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 1: the Washington Capitals. Um, you know professional. I ended up

471
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: never going pro, but I was drafted, you know, when

472
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: I was seventeen, and just then I went into like

473
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: medical or I went into insurance whatever. He gives me

474
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: the spield. But but he's like, yeah, I still consider

475
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: myself an athlete. And my buddy sitting beside me is

476
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: just tapping me on the shoulders like oh my god.

477
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: And the guy's like what is going on, And my

478
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: buddy goes so, you know, Brooks here has played for

479
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: the Capitals for ten years and this guy just like

480
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 1: shut it. He was just like, oh damn, it's just

481
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: like I preached us to the wrong guy. But yeah,

482
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: they still have the dream. I think that's why guys

483
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: love it. They still have the dreams. You're so right, Michael,

484
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: with the like the jolt of energy. And I think

485
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: also as I think about that, as they say that

486
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: the jolt of energy, it also gives men a reason

487
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: to like express themselves. I don't think guys are really

488
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a father, so you get to express

489
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: it with love and stuff too to your children. But

490
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: like I don't think guys unless they still play sports themselves,

491
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: get to like, yeah, like well, just like have that

492
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: life come out of them, right, have that that that

493
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: life of that intensity, because maybe they go to work

494
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: in the work environment isn't like that, or maybe they

495
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: have a couple of daughters and it's not that kind

496
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: of like an atmosphere you know that who knows, Like

497
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: it's just so, but that beast is still in there.

498
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: That competitive drive is still within guys. There's testosterone. They're

499
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: still like it's a watching sports. They get to act

500
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: as that expression that makes sense? Oh, absolutely, which I

501
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: want to turn the tables with quick and ask you

502
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: a question around that. When you do have kids, are

503
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: you worried about being that way too much? Like when

504
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: they do, whether even if it's your daughter or something, whoever,

505
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: it is. Are you worried about your energy or your

506
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: expectations coming out when it comes to sports. I'm not, truthfully,

507
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm not, and this is why, Um, I don't have kids,

508
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: so I can't say that I'm going to be perfect

509
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: at it. But my parents were so freaking good, so

510
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: amazing at being so supportive but never pushy, that they

511
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: never pushed me over the edge. And I never said

512
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: you have to do this, you have to do that.

513
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: You're like like my my mom, God bless her heart,

514
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: always like I always think I played the most amazing

515
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: or always thought I played the game. I could never

516
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: play a bad game in front of Mom because he's

517
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: just like, you played so good, you tried so hard.

518
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: And then and then Dad, on the other hand, Dad

519
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: off constructive criticism because he knew I wanted to get better.

520
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: In his job, he was my coach. His job was

521
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: to try and help me get better, always the port

522
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: of always from a place of love, always from a

523
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: place of trying to help me, not putting pressure on me.

524
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: So I think I learned a lot from how my

525
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: parents handled me. But let me ask you that question

526
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: having two kids, like how do you how do you

527
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: navigate them being in whether it's sports or competition, whether

528
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: it could be dance or anything else, Like, how do

529
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: you navigate that as a parent, Um, do you push

530
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: them hard? Do you find you push them hard? How

531
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: do you navigate that? You know that some of that

532
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: is to be determined because you know, my daughter's four

533
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,239
Speaker 1: should be five in January, my son's almost two, so

534
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: they're still young in that. UM, what I will say

535
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: in contrast of your story, I learned my mom was

536
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: similar to yours, but my dad was kind of opposite.

537
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: Where so for me, I'm kind of I've learned what

538
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: not to do based on my experience of um, you know,

539
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: level of disappointment or how that was expressed towards me,

540
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: or frustration and how that was expressed towards me. It

541
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily healthy. Having said that, the toughness also is

542
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: what I needed to to drive me to where I was.

543
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: Um to you know, I really look back and be like, well,

544
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: if he wasn't that hard on me and my personality,

545
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: and maybe I wouldn't have achieved what I have. So

546
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: but my biggest thing is I'm trying to practice now

547
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: is always to tell them I'm proud of them to

548
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: get on their level, like even if they did do

549
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: something wrong or or whatever, and you'd work at something.

550
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: I get on their level. I never looked down at them,

551
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, and patronize them in that way. Um A,

552
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: what A what a gift that is just for our

553
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: audience to hear that share that again? Can you tell

554
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: us like a little story there? Yeah, So for me,

555
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: this is something I heard. God where did I hear

556
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: it from? I can't even remember. Someone way way smarter

557
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: than me said it, and I pick it all. I

558
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: made a mental note of it. And it was all

559
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: about the child psycho oology of because I remember being

560
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: a kid and most of my memories are of my

561
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: dad looking down at me, yelling at me, screaming at me, abusive,

562
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: whatever it was. And so I was like, I don't

563
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: want that fear for my kids. I want them to

564
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: know that I'm imperfect, that they can come and talk

565
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: to me about fears, about issues about you know, adversity,

566
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: and also happiness and joy and everything like that. So

567
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: what I learned was just getting down on their level,

568
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: whether it good, bad, or and different, and just talking

569
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: to them from that level, especially when they're little kids,

570
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: and just being like talked to daddy or if I'm

571
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: disappointed or if I'm happy, whatever it may be. That way,

572
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: they look at me as a peer. They still respect

573
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: me as a parent, but they look at me as

574
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: as not some superior being. That's always right. Yeah, Wow,

575
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: that's powerful, man. That's why I love bringing fathers on

576
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: this show. That's all. That's a gift. Thank you, Like

577
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: personally just for me, that's a gift. Um, because I've

578
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: never really heard that before. Um, but yeah, I can

579
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: see that. A's like because you think coaches you might

580
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: have had of something just like Hauler and at you

581
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 1: down and make you or insecure lack of confidence, whereas

582
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: somebody down eye level talking to you can be so supportive.

583
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: You're gonna we're all gonna have our moments where we

584
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: don't have handled it perfectly or sometimes they do just

585
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: need to kick in the assid you know. But you

586
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: know ninety eight percent of the the time, I want to

587
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: be able to to do that in everything. But let

588
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: me ask you this too, though. So this is a

589
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: debate my wife and I had where my daughter a

590
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, she had a dance recital. Okay,

591
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: our daughter was the one who was running around in

592
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: circles like not doing the routine. She was like two

593
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: and a half. It was the cutest thing in the world.

594
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: So afterwards they all got handed this little trophy with

595
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: this spinny star on it. So we get home. I

596
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: look at my wife. I was like, hey, I'm gonna

597
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: throw this in the trash and she's like, what, No,

598
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: you can't throw a trophy in the trash. Like I'm like, what,

599
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: Why's she's gonna forget about this like tomorrow, Like she

600
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: doesn't even remember it now. We're just in the car ride, like,

601
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: why do we need to keep it? Well? She and

602
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: I was like why can't us just saying we're so

603
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: proud of you. You should be proud of yourself. Be enough.

604
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: And so I'm big anti trophy for everything, but I'd

605
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: love to know another professional athletes feelings on that when

606
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: you know the time comes oh man on that one up.

607
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: I don't know because I agree with you. I mean,

608
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: kids get trophies for every single thing now, which devalues

609
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: a trophy, right you If you get a trophy for

610
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: every weekend that you play a tournament or something, it's like, well,

611
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: I got two hundred of these so instead of like, wow,

612
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: I earned these five you know, so I see that.

613
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I don't know, man, if I'm

614
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: just because because I'm not a dad and I'm not

615
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: a dad to a daughter. If she's two and a

616
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: half and she gets a trophy, I'm gonna put that

617
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: figure right up on the I just like I don't

618
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: just because I still want to be a dad and

619
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: take down the TV. The trophy is going up, guys,

620
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: a little ledge for this boor in trophy. This thing's

621
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: get a spotlight on. Yeah, let's get a spotlight on here.

622
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: We got look at this shopy, look at this because

623
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: she was the best answer out there. Let me as

624
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: see that transition though, coming from like from being an

625
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: alpha male. I'm asking the male playing an alpha sport.

626
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: How how is it as a man going to like

627
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: a dance recital, dance competition. I love it. I'm a

628
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: d that dad that's in the back, like doing the

629
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: moves like with my daughter, like no, you gotta do

630
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: it like this and like this. And I'm so if

631
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: even if my daughter wants to pursue dancing or cheerlead

632
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: and I will be that dad that's doing the moves

633
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: practicing the routine with her, like, let's do this, let's

634
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: get after it. I love it. That's awesome, man, I

635
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: could see myself doing that. Were you nervous about that

636
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: before you were a parent? Like, Oh, I wonder if

637
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, like, if I have a daughter and she's

638
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: not into sports like I am, I'm am I going

639
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: to be able to connect with her? Were you nervous

640
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: about that? You know? I think that's that's a great

641
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: question because I think as athletes, we we get that

642
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: question all the time, right, like, you're gonna steer your

643
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: kids away from sports because of health reasons that you

644
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: know of? Are you gonna steer your kids? Are you

645
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: gonna make them play sports because you did at the

646
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: highest level. I'm I'm indifferent. I want them to They're

647
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: gonna do something right sitting at whom am I doing anything?

648
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: But like our daughter, she's showing more interest towards dance,

649
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: and she's very artsy, like loves to draw. She's a

650
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: phenomenal drawer for four years old. So we might get

651
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: her a little art teacher to come over and like

652
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: and help inspire hers her creativity somewhere because she's so creative.

653
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: So I really don't care because and you'll learn this

654
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: when you you're a dad. You see them doing something

655
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: that makes them happy. Like our daughter yesterday just drew

656
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: a picture of the family and she even draws me

657
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: bald without any hair. You know, it's so fitting, and

658
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: she puts it up on the fridge. I'm like, how

659
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: cool is this? Like you know, like she drew the

660
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: dogs and everything, and it's just I love it. I don't.

661
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: I don't care um at all. Really, I love that outlook. Uh.

662
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: I feel like and I can only project this because

663
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm not there yet, but I feel like I would

664
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: be the same. What I do want to do is

665
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: I want to get when I have kids, I want

666
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: to get them touches on as many things as possible.

667
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: So I don't want to just take them to the

668
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: rain and say, Okay, this is what you're gonna do.

669
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: I want to play soccer with him and play basketball

670
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: with him. I want to dive in the ocean with them.

671
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: I want to play off with them. I want him

672
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: to water ski, I want them to um dance. I

673
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: want them to like whatever and then just see just

674
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: expose them to everything and then see what they gravitate

675
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: towards like you said, your daughter is gravitating towards drawing

676
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: or being an artist, dancing, very artistic side. So I

677
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: do want to And I'm also curious because I don't

678
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: want them to be me, and I don't want my

679
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: kids to be me because they're not me there they

680
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: would be mixed with a partner, and I want to

681
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: just see what they're life is. So I don't know.

682
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: I think it's got to be so cool man, you know,

683
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: I will say to that though. So my wife grew

684
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: up in Michigan, Okay, she figure skated for like thirteen years.

685
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: So she's trying to get Jolie on the ice a bunch,

686
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: and our daughter hates it, and she can't wait to

687
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: get our son on the ice too, and she she

688
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: wants to be a little hockey mom and and all

689
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: that stuff. She was even a skate girl for the

690
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: Red Wings back in the day or some some crap.

691
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: But and I told her. I told her, I was like,

692
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: you can't have both. I was like, you can't take

693
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: both of them and want them to do skin. I

694
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: was like, my biggest thing is I just want one

695
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 1: of them to do something I can help teach them, right,

696
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: So I never did you know? I love hockey, but

697
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: I never played hockey. I can skate okay, because I'm athletic,

698
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: but that's about it. So I was like, I can't

699
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: teach them anything. I just want to be able to

700
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: share my knowledge of something, and so that includes you know, golf, basketball, baseball, football,

701
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: even soccer. But I was like, anything outside of that,

702
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: you know, I don't, which is cool too. If if

703
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: neither one of them do any any of those, I'm

704
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: cool with it because I'll learn about it, I'll dive in.

705
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: I'll just help them from a general standpoint of like

706
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: work ethic and and and everything like that. But that

707
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: is one thing I told him. I was you can't

708
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: have both. I was like, I want to be able

709
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: to teach them something. Um, what just a personal question

710
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: for you. What if your boy said, um, dad, I

711
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: really want to play football. I want to I want

712
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: to make football my life and pursue a career in

713
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: professional football. I want to go to college. But um,

714
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: what would you feel if your son approached you with that?

715
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: You know that? Yeah, like what I've never been asked

716
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: that question? Good question because I'm typically asked what if

717
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: they don't want to play, and I'm fine with that.

718
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: But if they do want to play and they talk

719
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: about they want to pursue it seriously mhm um, I'm

720
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: gonna have to do some introspection because knowing, you know,

721
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: guys like us, knowing what it takes, that doesn't make

722
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: exact thoughts to get there. Knowing the sacrifices and knowing

723
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: that it takes luck two like you can be in

724
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: the it really does, whether luck from injuries, luck from

725
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: right place, right time, just luck. So and to know

726
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: how that lifestyle is of of uncertainty and of of

727
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 1: traveling across across the country and maybe bouncing from team

728
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: to team from you know, from trying to manage your

729
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: schedule as a young adult in college and being a

730
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: student athlete, and so that I have more fear around

731
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: that because because guys like us know what it takes

732
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: and know how much time effort emotionally, mentally and physically

733
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: it takes on you, do you think it would take

734
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: you a while to like dive in and help him?

735
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: What have you said? Okay, Dad, I appreciate that. I'm

736
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: still going to go anyway. Yeah, I mean I would

737
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: be right there for him. I would just want him

738
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: to know that, you know, what you're signing up for

739
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: takes a lot, you know. And I had so I

740
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: have a younger brother who's fourteen years younger than me,

741
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: and same parents, and every think my parents were married

742
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: thirty or some years. She was just a nice little surprise.

743
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: And he's in college right now playing football. And you know,

744
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: when he started saying that, I thought I was gonna

745
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: have to have more of that conversation. But the thing

746
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: about him which was cool is he was old enough

747
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: to see me play and come to my games, which

748
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: was cool that he saw me working. He saw how

749
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: hard you know, how much effort it took, and everything

750
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: in the off season, and and so he's able to

751
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: he was able to mimic that. So I haven't really

752
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: had him have many of this conversation. That's almost like

753
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: if you work twice as hard, harder than idea at

754
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: your age. So I'm not worried about him, but it

755
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: is scary if if you know, our sons come up

756
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: to us and say they want to play the sport

757
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: that we played. Yeah, I can see. I could see

758
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: that when you were when I asked you that question,

759
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: you echoed my what I was thinking. My first thought

760
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: would be, do you know how far, how deep and

761
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: dark that you've got to go to get good enough

762
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: to be there? Like the depth of what how you

763
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: how far you need to pursue this? Like, oh, that

764
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: would give me hesitancy because I know and you know

765
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: how far you have to go what it requires of you,

766
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: um to get that. So um, I mean think about

767
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: think about the days, and I'm sure you can attest this.

768
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, everyone on the outside looking

769
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: at professional athletes like, man, they gotta love their job,

770
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: their liver, their dream and all that stuff, Like they're

771
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: probably happy every day. Yes, essentially we are. But those

772
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: dog days of those workouts, in those days where you're

773
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: just like, do I really want to do this anymore?

774
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: Or even when you're trying to make it and you're

775
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: training and you're throwing up and you're exhausting, you're like,

776
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: and then you have to get up and do it

777
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: again tomorrow. It's like those are the moments that you

778
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: you fear because you want your child or someone close

779
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 1: to you to be able to do that. But those

780
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: are the days exactly that you're talking about that is

781
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: just you go to a dark place. Man. There was

782
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: a week, dude, there was a week in February. This

783
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: happened in February every year. It was thirteen years pro,

784
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: fifteen years pro, thirteen years in the NHL. Um, every

785
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: year in February, there's one week where I was like,

786
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: I quit. It's just like I quit, man, I just

787
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: quit because it's just like, I this sucks. I'm so

788
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: beat up, I'm so cut tired. Um. Because you play

789
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: every second day. Second half of the season, we play

790
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: every second day, and then it continues right through playoffs

791
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: and you're traveling. You're five games and seven nights and

792
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: five different cities on the road, and you're just like

793
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: a zombie shoulders rack, can't turn your head right, knees

794
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: banged up, just block a shot, and you're just like,

795
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: I quit. But but you pursue it, you go through it,

796
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: through it. I'm surprised. Actually, that is one thing. I

797
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: know we're gonna get Petris on here in a minute,

798
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: but that is one thing that I uh commend, like

799
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: you guys and all pretty much all the other professional

800
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: sports besides football, the traveling aspect. I can't imagine the

801
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: traveling that y'all have to do the amount of hotels

802
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: you have to stay because that's the thing we get.

803
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we're maybe two nights in the hotel, and

804
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: that's if we're going from coast to coast. We go

805
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: a day early, we leave on Fridays, but mostly it's

806
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: leave on Saturday. You spend one night in a hotel,

807
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: and then you go back home on Sunday after the game. Yeah,

808
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: you don't just get used to it, and you stay

809
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: in like stay in the same hotel as you guys

810
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 1: do Martory for the c b A that we stay

811
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: in five star hotels, so it's it's Carl four seasons

812
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: and stuff. Um, you just kind of get used to it.

813
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: But the travel, I mean, you know, professional teams have

814
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: traveled down to a science as a sleep doctor. So

815
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: they'll look at the schedule and get you scheduled and

816
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna stay overnight in this city. The hard part

817
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: about the travel is when you play a Uh you're

818
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: in d C. And we play a game down in

819
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay and we fly back that night. We get

820
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: in to thirty and we've got to be at the

821
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: rink at for practice the next morning. And you're like,

822
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm hired and then uh, you know, and maybe that's

823
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: after your third game in four nights or something. So

824
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: that's the tougher part of it. But um, joining us now, mychael, Um,

825
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna bring in another guest to talk about sports

826
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: because they haven't had enough of sports with you and

827
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: I yet, So we're bringing in another guest. I believe

828
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: he has just joined this beautiful, beautiful zoom called by

829
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: the Way. I hate to I'd rather see you guys

830
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: in in studio, but this man is a college football

831
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: analyst for Fox Sports. He is hilarious. He's also on

832
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: the Petros and Money Show, and he has if I

833
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: was a sportscaster, I think I would love to say

834
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: this name if he's an athlete. Petro's Papa docas in

835
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: the house. Petros, Are you there, brother, I'm here, dude.

836
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: I just want to say your name again, like Petrols pop.

837
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: But Doc, guess like you could be. I could hype

838
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: you up as the most the most thrilling athlete of

839
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: all time and with that name, can you I used

840
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: to be an athlete and they they had they had

841
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: a hard time saying my name back in the day.

842
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, Is that a back that's oral Her.

843
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: I interviewed Oral Hershazer last time I was doing so

844
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: we got a picture. I am in an old Cougie

845
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: sweater the eight back when the Dodgers, last time the

846
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: Dodgers won the World Series. Hold on, I'll make it normal.

847
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: I love it, man, and I love it. Leave it.

848
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: But I used to play football. I'm the captain of

849
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: the worst football team in uh USC history. So they

850
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: used to say my name all the time back in

851
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: the day. Uh But now I say other people's names

852
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: and then try my best to get them right for

853
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: the last you know, twenty years. Um So, brother, welcome

854
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: to the show. So sorry, I'm like, no, no worries

855
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: it all. You never lay, never be sorry. Bro, We

856
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: appreciate you being here. Michael and I have been diving

857
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: into our journeys as professional athletes migrating out of sport.

858
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: But then also we're diving into the journey of why

859
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: do men love sports so much? Like what is it

860
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: about sports that just draws men to sports? We're trying

861
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: to answer this question for our female listeners of how

862
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: men think they're like, why do you guys love sports?

863
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: Petros tell us why we love sports? Well, Uh, that's

864
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: many layered but interesting. You know, I'm Greek, so and

865
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: I've traveled a lot in Greece, especially when I was

866
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: a young person. So uh, going to Greece and going

867
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: to those old arenas which are still there where they

868
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: would have competition, and it was different back then. Obviously

869
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: everybody was naked and all greased up, and uh, the

870
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: women who had to hide in the trees if they

871
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: wanted to watch a bit of a misogynistic society. Uh uh.

872
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: But but the one thing you kind of head out

873
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: of it is I mean, there wasn't really any reward

874
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: for competing back then, but people competed because really for

875
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: the same reason people compete now at its core, which

876
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: is the competition itself is just men or women or

877
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: whoever competing. But what gets revealed because of the competition

878
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: is character and virtue. And I mean, deep down, I

879
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: think that's why people are interested, because it's you know,

880
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: especially with a football background that I have, which is

881
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: a sport that probably shouldn't exist, you know, if if

882
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: we had a perfect world. It's a bludgeoning, really tough sport.

883
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: But one thing that you can say about every football team, uh,

884
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: is there's people young men overcoming adversity, and uh, it's

885
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: one thing to do, right, Like, we all kind of

886
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: want to do it and be on a team. If

887
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: there's a lot of sacrifice. I heard you guys talking

888
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: when I was struggling to get on. There's a lot

889
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: of real sacrifice involved in doing it at a very

890
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: high level and consistently and maintaining that. But we all

891
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: like to be on its periphery too. You know, you've

892
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: seen the ugliest athletes on the world in the world

893
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: with some of the most beautiful partners, and you wonder

894
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: what's going you know, well maybe maybe you know, she

895
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: didn't know what it's like to score a touchdown, you know,

896
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 1: but she wants to be as close as possible, even

897
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: if the guy looks like uh sea monster. So uh,

898
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean we've all seen it. Uh. So there's something

899
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: there's just something attractive about it that goes way past

900
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: uh you know, corporate sponsorship and TV and Buffalo Wild

901
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: Wings and you know fat Guy's tailgating and Lincoln Nebraska. Uh,

902
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: there is something. There's a human uh drama I guess

903
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: that we all want a piece of at some level.

904
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: It will take interesting take is that, So I like

905
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: that take. That's a different outlook than Michael and I

906
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: have covered some of my Michael has touched on that,

907
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: but um, what do you think believe? Just further to that,

908
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: I love what you said, is that overcoming the the

909
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: obstacle or the adversity in the game, there's there's something

910
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: revealed about a person's character, virtue, who they are as

911
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: a human being, not just who they are as an athlete.

912
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: Why do you think what is it that you think

913
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: draws you? And I'll ask both of you guys to

914
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: be a fan of a specific player where you're like,

915
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: that's my guy. What is it in in in that

916
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: athlete that you really like? Why like Petro's Why do

917
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: you like this picture or this you know, cornerback or

918
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: what is it? What is a characteristic that you were

919
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: drawn to when watching sports? Well you might be shocked

920
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: to know that I like flawed people. Uh so uh

921
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: And I was a big, stupid running back. Actually I

922
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: wasn't as fat when I played, but I love bludgeoning backs,

923
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, I love there was a guy who had

924
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: a big, a lot of personal problems. I saw Hi

925
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: when I was a kid on the sideline. Um, where Michigan.

926
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: My dad played at USC as well, and Michigan destroyed

927
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: USC in a Rose Bowl in the eighties and it

928
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: was a running back named Leroy Horde who who was

929
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: the MVP of the game, and he went on to

930
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: have an NFL career, but he had cocaine problems and

931
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: all these things that plague athletes, you know, especially in

932
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: the eighties, and he had to come back after a

933
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: guy got hurt. Robert Smith, who was a colleague of

934
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: mine at Fox at Old Ohio State running back who

935
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: was trying to get a premed degree at the same time,

936
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: made a lot of news back then, and he had

937
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: to come back and he had like a fifteen hundred

938
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: yard season and they asked him, you know, can you

939
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: describe your running style, you know, to to the to

940
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: the fans, and he said, well, if you need one yard,

941
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: I'll get you three. And he said, if you need

942
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: ten yards, I'll get you three. To me, you know that,

943
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: to me, it's that kind of humility and that kind

944
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: of awareness of your mortality as an apple ate that

945
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: I kind of because most guys, obviously to do it,

946
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: you've got to feel pretty invincible, and you got to

947
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: approach it like that, So little glimmers of stuff like

948
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: that really attract me. That's something I'll never forget, you know.

949
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: I like that, Michael for you two part question, Um,

950
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: what attracts you to be a fan of a player today?

951
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: And why were people fans of you? What characteristics did

952
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: you have that people made you a fan of you

953
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: for sure today? Kind of like Patris said, I like

954
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: when I know people's story and they've overcome adversity, like

955
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: even taking it back, like I like Michael Vick even

956
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: when his glory days in Atlanta, but then the fact

957
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: that he dealed with what he out with, came back

958
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: and played, Like where else other than sports can you

959
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: go from hero to zero and zero to hero again,

960
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. So it gives you

961
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: that platform to be able to control your narrative and

962
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: overcome this adversity publicly where instantly, really success can help

963
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: change people's image of you based on you know, even

964
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: over from what you've gone through negatively. So I really

965
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: do like that. And then I mean outside of guys

966
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: I know personally, like Ryan Fitzpatrick is my favorite human being.

967
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: He was my quarterback in Buffalo the years I spent there,

968
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: and and people always what why is he playing for

969
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: so many I was like, you meet this guy, you

970
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: realize why every team wants them there. And I was like,

971
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: that's and he was one of the guys that I

972
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: looked up to when I played because I was young then.

973
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: And so that's what I would say, Brooks to your

974
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: second part of the question is why people were a

975
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: fan of me or again enjoyed having me around? Was

976
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: because I was a positive energy. I was a smile

977
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: on my face. I said hi to people, never too

978
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: good to do anything. Always you know, again, like we

979
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: talked about before, whether it's Keith the janitor or you

980
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: know our GM, So it didn't matter. I was talking

981
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: to everybody. I was treating everybody like a peer. And

982
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: I think that's why, you know, people enjoyed communicating with

983
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: me and having me around. I think a lot of

984
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: people I love that man. That's awesome. What they call

985
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: that intangibles in sports, those are intangibles that those are

986
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: glue guys is like the team wants that guy to

987
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: be here. The team is like telling the GM, can

988
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: you sign Michael, Like we need him here, we want

989
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: him here. Um, those guys are awesome. Those are some

990
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: of my favorite teammates of all time. Um I've played

991
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: with some world class guys, unbelievably talented guys, and some

992
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: of my favorite teammates are guys that's carved out to

993
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: ten year careers with UM. I had one one teammate

994
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: that was one of my top three to five teammates

995
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: of all favorite teammates of all time. And his skills

996
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: might have been like minor league level, but he had

997
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: such heart, such dedication, so fun, and he's so good

998
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: in the locker room, showed up for every single teammates,

999
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: so dedicated. You know, just that he carved out an

1000
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: amazing career for himself and I just have such respect

1001
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: to that. The other thing that you see is you

1002
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: in sports. I believe this, there's a lot of As

1003
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: in any industry, there's good humans and there's bad. In sports,

1004
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: there are a lot of exceptional human beings. Like you

1005
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: just said, Ryan Fitzpatrick, there are some human beings the

1006
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: fabric of the quality of person that they are. They

1007
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: are leading and spearheading an entire group of people, a city,

1008
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: a movement, and everybody is watching them and for the

1009
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: right reason, because they are that kind of a person.

1010
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: Man or a woman. So I I aligned with that too.

1011
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: I aligned with the human nature of a person, their

1012
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: service and and and there, as you said, their mortality,

1013
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: patrols and their humility and there they're like gratitude for

1014
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: being part of this city. Not being you played for

1015
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: the Skins. You were from the DC area. I wasn't.

1016
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: I was from Canada, but the city welcomed me in

1017
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: as an adopted son. You know how freaking cool that is?

1018
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: You know, So I want to represent my adopted family

1019
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: as best I can. UM. I think that was one

1020
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: of the reasons I was loved UM. But it's really interesting,

1021
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: like why why certain people are drawn to certain players? UM.

1022
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: Let me ask you both this both as former players.

1023
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: Another question, do you guys get the same adrenaline Russia

1024
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: when watching as you do when playing as you did

1025
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: when playing ahead? Uh? For me? I, you know, I

1026
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: I call games and have been doing it for you know,

1027
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: since two thousand four for Fox. And I was really

1028
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: young when I was doing that, and I was calling

1029
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: the games, you know, specifically Impact twelve games ten at

1030
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: that time that you know, there were guys that I

1031
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: had played with, or against, or or recruited, you know,

1032
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: now I'm forty three, and the guys look like kids,

1033
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, and face mask and and I like that

1034
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: about college football because kids make mistakes and it does

1035
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: make the game exciting. Whereas you know, in the NFL,

1036
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: the hashbox are closer's. As you know, there's there's no

1037
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: room to go anywhere unless you have the balls to

1038
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: go through somebody. And uh. And it makes the level

1039
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: of football excellent but also a little bit predictable. In college.

1040
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are freaking out. You know, most

1041
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 1: of them aren't even used to the crowd and can't

1042
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: even hear their teammates. I mean, the chaos of it

1043
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: is really something that I try to continue to connect

1044
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: with because you know, when when you get older and

1045
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: you're up in the booth and you have your suit

1046
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: on and somebody has given you water, and you know,

1047
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: somebody picks you up and drives you the airport when

1048
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: it's over, you know, you can become an a hole

1049
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: pretty fast. Uh. But they've moved me down on the

1050
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: field for a couple of years. And I did kind

1051
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: of like a sideline analyst thing for Joel Klatt who

1052
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: works at Fox, and I kind of smelled the players

1053
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, wet again and listen to the coaches scream

1054
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: and just kind of felt the chaos of it. And

1055
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: that gave me a little bit more adrenaline that I

1056
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: was used to, you know, covering games. Uh. But you know,

1057
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny when you're watching these games without

1058
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: fans and you're watching guys, you know, Mookie beats, you know,

1059
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: the most excellent level of athlete out there, and they're

1060
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: they're playing this really high level without the fans there,

1061
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 1: you know, and gosh, you know, channeling twenty years ago.

1062
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: You know, if you get the ball in a college

1063
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: football game, a hundred thousand people in the States, they

1064
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: see the whole. When you see the whole and they

1065
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: get all you know, they get up too. And you

1066
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: can't recreate that, you know, you just can't. There's not

1067
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: enough pores in your body to recreate that stuff. So

1068
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: I guess the long answer is no, Michael, what about you?

1069
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 1: Do you get adrenaline rush watch like you watch your brother?

1070
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: Do you get the same adrenaline? I mean, nothing compares

1071
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: for sure when you're the one under the helmet or

1072
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: anything with the you know, cleats lay sed up. But luckily,

1073
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: now being far enough and move playing fantasy sports again.

1074
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: That gets me, That gets me amped up enough. You know. Um,

1075
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: but I will say to Patriots's point, you know, I

1076
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: was watching the Tour Championship last round yesterday. I'm a

1077
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: big golfer and watching these guys were you know, Justin

1078
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: Thomas and Xander softly, We're kind of making their move

1079
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: on Dustin Johnson, and you know, Justin Thomas said a

1080
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: big birdie put on like sixteen, and I just I

1081
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: was like to myself, I was like, oh, but I'm like,

1082
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: there's no roar on the TV, and it's just even

1083
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: a sport as quiet as and calm and professionalist golf,

1084
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: not feeling that crowd. I was just missing the hell

1085
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: out of it. I was like, I can't even even

1086
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: imagine football started on Thursday. I don't even know how

1087
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna It's gonna be the weirdest thing in the world.

1088
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: If I can't handle watching golf without fans, I don't

1089
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: know how we're gonna watch football. Hockey's in it right now.

1090
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: Hockey's in the third round of the playoffs with no fans. Um,

1091
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: And exactly what you said, there is the reason we

1092
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: love the reason I love being a professional athlete is

1093
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: people get to bear witness to your excellence. Right, so

1094
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: when you make a player, like when I would score

1095
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: a goal eighteen thousand, twenty thousand, people erupt and as

1096
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: you said, Petrol, it's like chanting your name, like your number,

1097
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: like high fiving because of you, Like your name comes

1098
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: up on the scoreboard and they cheer and they clapped,

1099
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: like people get to bear witness to the years and

1100
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: decades that we put in, Michael of pursuing this excellence

1101
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: to be there. And that's such a thrill. Like I

1102
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: don't think I don't even come close when I'm watching

1103
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: to having that same kind of adrenaline rush as as

1104
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 1: when playing, just because it was It's just it's such

1105
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: and it almost breaks my heart. I've actually thought, like,

1106
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: what can I do in life again where I can

1107
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: be in front of a stadium stadium audience, because that

1108
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: is so freaking cool. So, um, I want to I

1109
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: want to hijacker question Brooks real quick for Patriots because

1110
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: I've I've personally, I've known enough guys now that that

1111
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: kind of in the line of work that you are

1112
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: in Patriots. But I remember even before I did, and

1113
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: watching commentators or watching sideline analysts or whatever, being like, man,

1114
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: that's gotta be so easy. All you gotta do is

1115
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: just talk about it. But I know, now knowing enough

1116
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: guys in that world, how crazy and how much work

1117
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: y'all put into it. So I'd love for for Brooks

1118
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: listeners on the show to understand how difficult, how much

1119
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: goes into what you do. Now. Well, what's interesting, you know,

1120
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: is I wasn't, you know, clearly a star football player.

1121
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I was serviceable, But my value when broadcasting

1122
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: is not like, hey, this guy want a heisman or something.

1123
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: You know, it turned out being that, you know that

1124
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: I've had longevity. So I trained a lot of people,

1125
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: or at least used to. This year is a little walky,

1126
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: but usually I'm in the booth with somebody else, like

1127
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: try to train Mark Helfridge, uh Hudgens and Big Hodge

1128
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: the Hall of Famer. You know, some guys are better

1129
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: than others, and you know, they all know more football

1130
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: than I'll ever know. You know, they'll forget more football

1131
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: than I'll that you know, Uh, I trained to Marco Murray.

1132
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: He went back to coaching Shane Vereen. We recently trained

1133
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: so you know, usually I do a three man booth

1134
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: with a guy and I teach him how to call

1135
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: a game for Fox. And you know, it's a really

1136
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: interesting question because it does seem pretty easy. As a

1137
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: football player. You sit down and you say, oh, they're green, right,

1138
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, here comes you know, here comes horse to

1139
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, hot proco or whatever. I mean, you know,

1140
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: and you just do it. You speak your football language

1141
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: in your mind as an ex football player, and when

1142
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: whether it's defense or offense, and you just watch the

1143
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: guys line up a game. Is calling a game is

1144
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: so much different. And the one thing to really remember

1145
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: that I try to teach these guys with TV is

1146
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean, we're part of this, but it ain't about us.

1147
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're we have a director. I mean,

1148
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: the cool thing about football on TV is football on TV. Right,

1149
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 1: the colors, the pictures, the close up stuff, the slow

1150
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: motion cameras. You know, if we can show that without

1151
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: vomiting all over the thing and telling old football stories

1152
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: about stuff that when no one cares about anymore. Uh,

1153
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff is uh is helpful. But you know,

1154
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: everybody gets caught up. You know, you think it's your

1155
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: moment and you hear yourself talking and you get all

1156
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: riled up. So there's a real balance, you know, between

1157
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: giving everybody their due, like you know, that's your moment,

1158
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, especially in a college game, like your family

1159
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: is probably gonna watch that touchdown five times, you know,

1160
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: on the DVR and everybody in your town, and man,

1161
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: I gotta get that guy's name right, you know, I

1162
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta celebrate that properly. That's his moment, you know,

1163
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: But you don't want to overdo it too, because we

1164
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: got pictures. So you know, it's a real balance, uh

1165
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: to walk. Some people like it, you know, when Tony

1166
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: Romo tells everybody what's gonna happen. But Michael, you know

1167
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: that a lot of guys can tell you what's gonna happen,

1168
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: you know. But we're not supposed to be future tellers

1169
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: unless the audience wants it. And the audience got really

1170
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: excited when Romo did it, and now he's getting like

1171
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: forty million dollars to go. Okay, one one question for

1172
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: both you, because we don't have a lot of time left.

1173
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: One question for both you start with you, Michael, what

1174
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: is it that you love the most about sports? In

1175
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: like two to three sentences, What is it that you

1176
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: love the most about sports? It's the opportunity for young

1177
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: men and women two to achieve greatness every day, whether

1178
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: it practice or a game. It's it's their opportunity every

1179
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: day to grow. And there's tangible evidence typically whether you grow,

1180
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: you to get Like all of our coaches have said,

1181
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: you need to get do you get worse every single day.

1182
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: Any athletes heard that. So it's it's an opportunity every

1183
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: day to do that. Jose, what about you? What is it?

1184
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: What is the thing that you love the most about sports?

1185
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: For me? You know, just going to Dodger Stadium and

1186
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: doing a show, you know, doing our radio show leading

1187
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: up to the game and seeing all the people that

1188
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: make Mutch a lot of us. You know, all the

1189
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: people that sports bring together, you know, whether they're working

1190
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: or playing or watching or coaching, or a special needs

1191
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: person or people in a retirement home that can't go anywhere,

1192
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: and it's their pleasure for three hours a day to

1193
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: hear the game or to watch it. You know, to me,

1194
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: that's that's its power, you know. It It brings us together,

1195
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: whether you can perform or not. And that especially nowadays

1196
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: very special. Love is Yeah, mine is uh. I look

1197
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: at it from an athlete's perspective, because as a former athlete,

1198
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: mine was the chase of my potential be marrying of

1199
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: intelligence with the physical capabilities, having to develop both and

1200
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: all of the characteristics. UM, the pursuit of excellence as

1201
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: a human. To be able to master a craft, I

1202
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: need to get better in so many ways, not just

1203
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: physically but mentally spiritually. UM. The discipline and that pursuit

1204
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: of excellence in order to express myself through the mastery

1205
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: of a craft. UM. It taught me almost everything I

1206
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: know about myself those lessons good and bad. It taught

1207
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: me everything almost that I know about myself, and so

1208
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: that will forever live on with me. So really interesting, guys.

1209
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: I appreciate, appreciate your perspective. Petro's we gotta let you

1210
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: go right now, uh, and then uh, Mike will be

1211
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,959
Speaker 1: back with another little bit with you after the break.

1212
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 1: But both of you guys are on a time crunch,

1213
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: so we're gonna be real quick. But thank you Patros

1214
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: for coming on. My man. Look forward Totimore games. Either way,

1215
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: you know the world's gonna keep up to it. You Okay, cheers, cheers, buddy,

1216
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: after this break. What an awesome hour. Michael, you're the man,

1217
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: um Buddy. Where can our community or how a Man

1218
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: Think podcast community? Where can they get more of you?

1219
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: Where do you hang out? Social media? The podcast tell

1220
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,959
Speaker 1: us where they can find more of you, buddy, for sure.

1221
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: So I'm not on social media. I'm a rare unicorn

1222
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: of that aspect. But my everything is kind of through

1223
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: my wife. She she posted enough for both of us,

1224
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: so it's her. Her instagram is that Creamer Girl. You

1225
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: can go to UM www dot jan might dot com.

1226
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: We also have our podcast on my Heart Radio wind

1227
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: Down with Jana and Mike, and we also our book

1228
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: comes out UM that we wrote called The Good Fight

1229
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: comes out September twenty two, and you can pre order

1230
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: your addition right now on Amazon. Man. And you guys

1231
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: like on the podcast, you guys are too transparent people. Yeah,

1232
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: there's no there's no more skeletons these closets, I'll say that, man.

1233
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: You guys like you guys, If you haven't listened to

1234
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: their podcast, check it out because they'll they'll air all

1235
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: of it and and it's refreshing to see UM, to

1236
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: see people air disagreements you know in couples, like I think, um,

1237
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: I think couples too often harbor things and internalize things.

1238
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: And you guys, you guys are almost the exact. Obviously,

1239
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: you'll share everything. What have you learned the most? What's

1240
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: been like one big lessons from doing the podcast with

1241
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: your wife? You know, we have found it is therapeutic

1242
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: for us because it does it does get us. Talking

1243
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: has become our our brand per se that we we

1244
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: discussed these hard topics and these difficult conversations. Um, for us,

1245
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: it's just it's opened us up even more because we

1246
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: realized that people do want to be open, people want

1247
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: to be transparent with each other. It's just society puts

1248
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: this pressure on you to look a certain way, to

1249
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: act a certain way, to show happiness all the time.

1250
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: And we're like, look, that's why we titled our book

1251
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: The Good Fight. Were like, couples are going to fight.

1252
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: For those of you who don't think you're going to,

1253
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: it's bs like you're going. It's inevitable. So if you're

1254
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: gonna fight, you might as well do it in a

1255
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: way that you can grow you all closer together as

1256
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: opposed to you apart. Yeah, it's a good saying that

1257
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: I heard um and used it actually just the other day.

1258
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: Fight for, not fight against exactly, Yeah, fight for. So

1259
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: what was the but the book writing process, like man,

1260
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: it was, it was a process. It was a yearlong process.

1261
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: And in the thing that Jan and I are the

1262
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: most proud of is we wrote every word ourselves. We

1263
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: didn't have a ghostwriter anybody help us. It was just

1264
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: us in our office cranking this stuff out. It's from

1265
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: both of our voices. It's from her voice, from my voice,

1266
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: and from a wee voice. And it's that way you

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Speaker 1: really get the tone and the feeling of of what

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Speaker 1: the the you know, the words coming off this page

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Speaker 1: and and everything. So you you'll feel our motion through

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Speaker 1: through the pages. And it's a it's a long process

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Speaker 1: that caused a lot of arguments in itself and you know,

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Speaker 1: cause a lot of fights and uh, but it was,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was cool. Man. I've been I've been

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Speaker 1: asked a couple of times to write a book and

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Speaker 1: I I just haven't dedicated the time to it. I've

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Speaker 1: been like, I don't know what my purpose with doing

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Speaker 1: that right now would be. Um, but one one person,

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Speaker 1: one friend actually gave me a great point. They're like,

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Speaker 1: it's actually really a great reflection and study of your life.

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Speaker 1: It will actually really catch you up to speed on

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Speaker 1: your life and you'll get you'll get insights from it

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Speaker 1: that are that you'll discover that you didn't even weren't

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Speaker 1: even really aware of because it's you're sharing your heart,

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Speaker 1: you're sharing your something value. You only got X amount

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Speaker 1: of pages, So something in your life that's going to

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Speaker 1: go in there, it's got to be something that that

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Speaker 1: UM defined there was part of your life in a

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Speaker 1: massive way that you want to share to help people with.

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Speaker 1: So UM for that journey, did you experience that? Did

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Speaker 1: you learn a lot about yourself actually through and your

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Speaker 1: wife your relationship through that journey? Yeah, I think we

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Speaker 1: really um grew a higher level of respect for one

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Speaker 1: another because we're writing these pages and reading these words

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Speaker 1: and we're like like, damn, we've been through a lot,

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Speaker 1: you know, like both of us individually, both of us

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Speaker 1: as a couple, and it's just like it was. It

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Speaker 1: was invigorating because it was it was also inspiring because

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Speaker 1: we're like, hey, we've done all of what we just wrote,

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Speaker 1: like we can do this, like you know, so it

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Speaker 1: was there was a form of reflection and gratitude afterwards.

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Speaker 1: It's like, look at what we what we've overcome, and

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Speaker 1: I can imagine the same thing, like you said, your

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Speaker 1: friends said to you, like it would be the same

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Speaker 1: where you you you know, talk about your life and

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Speaker 1: things you've done. You're like, man, I did that, and

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Speaker 1: it's really, uh, it really is validating to your soul

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Speaker 1: to be like, hey, I'm a human being. I've been

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Speaker 1: through some hard times, but I'm still standing here on

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Speaker 1: two feet breathing, and I can be present and grateful

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Speaker 1: for that. That's amazing. I love that you and John

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Speaker 1: are so involved and like, um, commanded you do a

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Speaker 1: lot of projects. You do the podcast wind Down together,

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Speaker 1: did the book together. Um, it's a great way. I

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Speaker 1: admire it from far. I admire it that you both

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Speaker 1: stepped forward because a lot of couples will actually avoid

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Speaker 1: that is that's tough stuff to have that much proximity

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Speaker 1: with your partner and that much vulnerability and transparency, and

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Speaker 1: then to have the world comment on it. Right, not

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Speaker 1: not even just to show up like that in a relationship,

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Speaker 1: but to show up like that in a public platform

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Speaker 1: and forum where then people are going to offer their unsolicited,

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Speaker 1: just whatever, uneducated opinion on things and judge your relationship

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Speaker 1: and to have to deal with that. I just commend

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Speaker 1: you both to think you're both kind of pioneers in

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Speaker 1: the space leading with your heart, and I think you've

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Speaker 1: inspired a lot of people to open up in their relationship.

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Speaker 1: So good on you, brother, Thanks man, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: You know. The thing about it kind of touches on

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Speaker 1: a touch on what we talked about at the beginning

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Speaker 1: with like the transitional thing, the one thing about you know,

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Speaker 1: Jane and I work in so much together it would

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Speaker 1: be hard for any couple of ship. It's going to

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Speaker 1: have its obstacles. And I'm one of those people, Like

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Speaker 1: my ideal day is like by myself around nobody. Her

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Speaker 1: idea day is like right next to me, what are

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Speaker 1: we gonna do all day, every second of the day.

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Speaker 1: We just have different love languages. And for me, you know,

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Speaker 1: finding my identity after sports, you know, being married, being

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Speaker 1: with someone of celebrity status that you can relate to,

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Speaker 1: and and where you go from being your own entity

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Speaker 1: to now you're so and so's husband, so and so's

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Speaker 1: fiance and so. I've had times where I've struggled that

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Speaker 1: we do so much together because I'm like, man, am

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Speaker 1: I gonna have just my own thing? And I know

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Speaker 1: that there are things will happen. But I did a

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Speaker 1: I had a normal job a couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: in l A when we're first leving out there. So

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Speaker 1: for two and a half years, I did medical sales

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Speaker 1: and it was a grind, an absolute grind, and but

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Speaker 1: it was also the most fulfilling the thing that I

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Speaker 1: had done since my plan in days because it was

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Speaker 1: just me. It was just me doing something, me punching

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Speaker 1: the clock, you know, my own responsibilities. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of fires you gotta put out in that job and

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Speaker 1: you've got to perform. And so they they love hiring

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Speaker 1: athletes because of that. So there is something to be

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Speaker 1: said about working so much together. But early on I

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Speaker 1: had an issue. Now I've I've been able to realize

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Speaker 1: that I can get out of my own and be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is us doing this. This isn't just me writing coattails.

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Speaker 1: It's we have our thing together, and that's great, super cool. Brother.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I respect that. I love that, I

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Speaker 1: love that your father, love that you're committed to the

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Speaker 1: relationship and committed to um to the struggle. I say

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Speaker 1: it in my prayers daily. I think I'm thankful for

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Speaker 1: the blessings and the challenges in our lives because both

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Speaker 1: of them, both of them become and define who we are.

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Speaker 1: You know, so they sped to change and challenge and

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Speaker 1: mold us to become who we are. So, uh my, dude,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Any of our listeners, check out Wine

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Speaker 1: down This man is real. Right here, You're gonna get

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Speaker 1: the real deal with Michael and his wife Janna. Um

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Speaker 1: Until next week, Michael, thank you so much. I could

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Speaker 1: go on, dude, we gotta have another conversation about the

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Speaker 1: athlete anything. We can go on all day. I love

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Speaker 1: it one forever. But I love what you're doing. I

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Speaker 1: love that you're finding your groove in uh after first retirement,

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Speaker 1: Well right, we called first, that's right. I love that

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Speaker 1: you're finding your group in in whatever you move forward,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the characteristics from being an athlete

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Speaker 1: will serve you in this next chapter. So thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening. Everybody. Until next week, take care of one another,

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Speaker 1: love one another, and we'll see you back here for

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Speaker 1: another episode of How Man Think Brooks, Thanks Buddy,