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Speaker 1: more going so nice. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render.
Speaker 1: My O, ma, do we have an eclectic bunch of people?
Speaker 1: We do? We do? Yeah? Man, you got, you got,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I'm gonna. We may spend like the whole
Speaker 1: render just introducing people. That's great, but all all the
Speaker 1: regulars bailed at the same time. Of course, I guess
Speaker 1: I might not a regular. No you're I'm just your
Speaker 1: just I can't stand by here, no no, no, no
Speaker 1: no so uh so. Gary Nucam is preparing for the
Speaker 1: Newcomb Family Bear Camp. He's been scouting. Man, It's it's
Speaker 1: pretty awesome having a dad like I've got. I sent
Speaker 1: him essentially some white points, like I told him some
Speaker 1: places and I was like, go see if there's any
Speaker 1: bear sign there, and so he went and did it,
Speaker 1: reported back no bear sign. Saved me a little bit
Speaker 1: of time. So we're preparing for the newcom Family Bear Camp. Okay,
Speaker 1: like big deal, Like within hours from right now at
Speaker 1: the time of this recording, me and Isaac will be
Speaker 1: down there and many others. But I'm gonna get to that.
Speaker 1: So that's why Gary knew come in here. Josh spill Waker,
Speaker 1: he is just off somewhere, just unaccounted for. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure his wife knows where he's at. No,
Speaker 1: he's working over the land, confused. And then Dan Roupe Man.
Speaker 1: Dan had something to come up that he just couldn't
Speaker 1: get out of. I was, I was wrecked when I
Speaker 1: heard Dan couldn't be here. Truly was Brent is meeting
Speaker 1: this at the at Bear Camp tomorrow and could not
Speaker 1: He just couldn't come. So anyway, we got a whole
Speaker 1: cast of characters to my left, Spence Terrell, Spencer Man,
Speaker 1: it's awesome to have you on the render, It's great
Speaker 1: to be here. Home run, home run performance on the
Speaker 1: Bear Grease podcast. Not a hunter but a fan of
Speaker 1: Soil so yeah one time and a punk rocker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you packed a lot in there in five minutes. I've
Speaker 1: got a can I share a funny story about Spence
Speaker 1: and Soil Uh. We threw a little shin dig down
Speaker 1: here one time. We were actually celebrating my brother's graduation,
Speaker 1: and we cooked a pig in the ground. And somehow
Speaker 1: in the process, y'all, y'all kind of started nerding out
Speaker 1: on your crops soil miromial science knowledge. And you guys
Speaker 1: were working with a third person who had a degree
Speaker 1: in classical letters whatever that is. And do you remember this,
Speaker 1: And and you guys were and you said, man, I've
Speaker 1: always wanted my soil science to come in. Hey, Indian,
Speaker 1: here it is. And you guys just started, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of growing out. Yeah, exactly over over both. What
Speaker 1: we had done is we dug a pit to cook
Speaker 1: a pig in the girl profile. Yeah, a small soil profile.
Speaker 1: Y'all know. I was on the University of Arkansas soil
Speaker 1: judging team. We came in last place. All the Mississippi
Speaker 1: schools beat us here, But I am a collegic athlete.
Speaker 1: I consider well. And I mean, I hate to bring
Speaker 1: it up this quick, but your wife is the Cross
Speaker 1: County Arkansas Rice Queen former former. I mean this is
Speaker 1: a big once a Rice Queen's former on that one,
Speaker 1: the Cumberland Gap. I was gonna so we tried to
Speaker 1: get Aryl's wife on here, and she okay, so I
Speaker 1: cryptically a couple of podcasts go talked about someone that
Speaker 1: I did an interview with a question them about the
Speaker 1: Cumberland up, and they just nailed it. Just bam, bam bam.
Speaker 1: Usually I'm trying to interview people that I know won't know. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you now that's not true. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to take a sampling of humanity, okay, just
Speaker 1: random sampling of humanity. So I interviewed Carly and she
Speaker 1: knocks it out of the park. I mean it was awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she just told you, told me about it, She told
Speaker 1: me about it. Yeah, and then it didn't. All we
Speaker 1: can do is talk about it and revel in the glory.
Speaker 1: But for Spence, great to have you here, man, fantastic
Speaker 1: Colby Moore head Ye, Bear Hunting Magazines very own Colby
Speaker 1: Moore head Man. I mean, I can't talk to you
Speaker 1: without saying this. Last time I saw you, you were
Speaker 1: on an altar getting married. True. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be dramatic here, just telling the truth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were crowding to stay You're real close two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: twelve days ago, yeah, yeah, eleven. So congratulations man, newly
Speaker 1: married man here similating to new life. Yeah, good to
Speaker 1: have you, good to have you. Thank you to your left.
Speaker 1: Isaac Neil Isaac, first time, first time Bear Grease podcaster.
Speaker 1: Welcome man, it's me in the flesh. Yeah, I uh,
Speaker 1: first time on really excited, usually listening and text you
Speaker 1: things unsolicited. Yes, I think last time was the guy
Speaker 1: who commented about the cover photo. I took that personally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I took that personally. I took that personally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The image that is the bear Grease image. That's me
Speaker 1: and Izzy, my mule. Isaac took that picture. Isaac was
Speaker 1: a photographer, and the guy said, don't let the cover
Speaker 1: photo fool you. I stood up. I said, you know,
Speaker 1: how dare he? I didn't stand up, but I was offended.
Speaker 1: That was a that's a great picture. Like I saw
Speaker 1: that picture. That's a great picture. It's mostly clay. I
Speaker 1: mean to photo half an animal though, that's like a
Speaker 1: wild card. Well now, so Isaac is a pro photographer.
Speaker 1: Yeah still still photographer. Yeah yeah. Checked him out on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I was like, Neil, I'm an aspiring livestock photographer. I
Speaker 1: just can't get anybody to pay me. For it, so
Speaker 1: I gotta take Maybe you can take pictures of your chicken.
Speaker 1: That's where a pretty good photographer on your hands there. Yeah. Yeah, no, Isaac,
Speaker 1: you just got back from where where were you? We
Speaker 1: did a road trip. Uh, North Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming
Speaker 1: grass hunting, grass hunting, yep, yep. So we targeted sharp
Speaker 1: tales and Hungarian partridge in North Dakota. Uh, sage and
Speaker 1: sharp tales and Hungarian partridge in Montana, and then blues
Speaker 1: and sage in Wyoming. Man, you're talking about stuff I
Speaker 1: just don't have any reference for. To be totally honest
Speaker 1: with you, I thought there were like two Upland birds
Speaker 1: into like three or four years ago. And my grandpa's
Speaker 1: one of the most avid Upland bird hunters I've ever known.
Speaker 1: But I just thought there were quail and pheasants. Come
Speaker 1: to find out, pheasants aren't even American. And anyway, just
Speaker 1: diving into this whole world, it's been incredible. But I
Speaker 1: thought their tail feathers kind of had like the American
Speaker 1: flag strips. Yeah. Is there anything more American than stealing
Speaker 1: someone else's burden making it ours? That's very good, that's
Speaker 1: maybe unfair co opting. Uh, stealing is harsh anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got the call. You said, I need somebody for
Speaker 1: the render, so I flew in. I ditched my guys
Speaker 1: on the Upland road trip. Yes, Hungarian partridge. Are those
Speaker 1: natives like to call things that are American American? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, listen the naming institutions of animals, topographic
Speaker 1: features in this nation are could come from anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, for instance, our very unbeloved Cumberland Gap. Like
Speaker 1: we spent a whole podcast talking about Cumberland Gap was
Speaker 1: named after the Duke of Cumberland. Who was I mean,
Speaker 1: you know on that podcast, I called him a what
Speaker 1: did I call him? No, well, I mean he's a
Speaker 1: Duke of Cumberland. I called him a derogatory name, like
Speaker 1: a chump. I believe I called him a chump. And
Speaker 1: I really evaluated that because I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know this guy, but I did some research and he
Speaker 1: was truly a chump. He was a real chump. Wait,
Speaker 1: be could you becauld you what are the criteria? What's
Speaker 1: the criteria for chumping? Well we better not get into that.
Speaker 1: But he was a real chump. Okay, and a whole
Speaker 1: massive mountain range is named after him. So I could
Speaker 1: see somebody coming from Hungary area and being like, I'm
Speaker 1: naming this bird after me and dad back home, you know.
Speaker 1: So anyway, it's a cool bird. It's like bigger than
Speaker 1: a quail, but smaller than a grouse. So now we're
Speaker 1: using dogs. Yep. Yeah, we had um French Brittany's uh
Speaker 1: German short haired pointers, drafts, uh vishlas, a couple of labs.
Speaker 1: You know what this? I think this upland bird stuff
Speaker 1: is just straight up off the chain. You know, used
Speaker 1: to feature the south pointers and setters. Yep, okay, And
Speaker 1: the only thing you talked about was the difference in
Speaker 1: the colors and your pointerers and setters, whether you have
Speaker 1: a liver poer or you know, uh black pointer whatever.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, this is getting this is this is
Speaker 1: almost like uh like specialty coffee, you know, like you're
Speaker 1: talking about all these dogs and stuff. Now do you
Speaker 1: ever hear anybody referred to a bird dog as flashy?
Speaker 1: Is there any comes over that's if you have a
Speaker 1: liver spotted pointer, is that a flashy pointer? That's a
Speaker 1: good question. I think flashy is a really good adjective
Speaker 1: for pretty much anything. Yeah. Yeah, so that's a good question,
Speaker 1: will start. So yeah, hunting behind dogs it's um, it's
Speaker 1: something that is truly beautiful. Like those guys, you know,
Speaker 1: I get done and I want to get in the
Speaker 1: tent or whatever. Those guys are up for another hour
Speaker 1: taking care of their dogs at the end of the night.
Speaker 1: Whatever can get up first, take care of the dogs. Remarkable. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: still an introductions, I just want to say the Hungarian
Speaker 1: partridge was introduced for me. Okay, okay, good, nice, nice
Speaker 1: fact check okay too. To Isaac's left, Misty Nekam, Welcome Misty.
Speaker 1: Good to be here always. Yeah, man, your night has
Speaker 1: been showing up a lot on the interviews. Stop that, man,
Speaker 1: great to have you, fantastic have you. Um, I couldn't
Speaker 1: do it with that too. Misty's left back from the
Speaker 1: sky the American sky forest eater above. Generally, Yes, it's
Speaker 1: good to have you, Forest. It's good to be on here.
Speaker 1: Have you own since we last saw you? Not for
Speaker 1: the Navy commercially, yes, right, yeah, yeah. I flew out
Speaker 1: to Virginia for a buddy's wedding. Okay, that doesn't count
Speaker 1: that what I was talking about, of course, but no Navy.
Speaker 1: So just if somebody didn't hear you, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know a couple of renters ago you were on.
Speaker 1: So you're a you're a Navy pilot. Now, okay. I
Speaker 1: I'm a grown man, and I've known Forest a pretty
Speaker 1: long time. It took me about four or five years.
Speaker 1: Uh No, you haven't been the Navy that long. It
Speaker 1: took me how long you've been the Navy. I've been
Speaker 1: in three years. It took me three years to realize
Speaker 1: that he doesn't operate a boat, but he flies a
Speaker 1: plane for the Navy. Come along, Which I mean, if
Speaker 1: we're trying to throw our enemies off, if this is
Speaker 1: like deep military strategy to be like the Navy's coming,
Speaker 1: We're that is brilliant. Now, when you get on a
Speaker 1: commercial jet, are you sizing up the pilot? I would
Speaker 1: be lying if I said I don't turn my head
Speaker 1: a little bit. Like right as we're about to land,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, we're gonna have a nice little
Speaker 1: flare here. You're gonna we're gonna slam it down. You
Speaker 1: come in through that front doorway and the stewardess is
Speaker 1: standing there or that's probably not the term anymore, is it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you look in the cabin like, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll take the next one. What are you? What are
Speaker 1: you looking for in a pilot that you're comfortable with
Speaker 1: that I'm comfortable with rod shoulders? I mean just in general,
Speaker 1: when uh, those guys are thoroughly vetted, you know they
Speaker 1: they've got plenty of experience to make it to a
Speaker 1: major airline. But I mean, I just want a guy
Speaker 1: who's a like, honey, you know what, you want a
Speaker 1: guy that I can stroll up to the cabin and
Speaker 1: be like, let me in, man, what would take the okay,
Speaker 1: you be in a pilot? Like if you just made
Speaker 1: eye contact with a with another human that you were
Speaker 1: about to entrust your life with thirty thousand feet above
Speaker 1: the air, Like, what kind of vibes would you want
Speaker 1: to be getting from? Would you on him in sunglasses?
Speaker 1: Would you want him to look away once you stared
Speaker 1: at him? Would you want him to give you kind
Speaker 1: of like a you know, kind of like an open
Speaker 1: eye like greeting. I think sunglasses is a prerequisite. It's
Speaker 1: like you just gotta have it. You got behind so
Speaker 1: much though, But you're gonna that movie about the I
Speaker 1: don't have. I don't watch movies. This is not a joke. Literally,
Speaker 1: like we are issued sunglasses. Like when in Florida when
Speaker 1: we start our flight training, you go and you get
Speaker 1: your cool gear and like your flight suits everything. You're like, wow,
Speaker 1: I'm the best part in the world, even though I've
Speaker 1: never flown military aircraft, but like I'm gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: they literally give you, like these sunglasses. They're nice sunglass there, Randolph.
Speaker 1: I think it's the manufacturer. So it's like that's a
Speaker 1: prerexis like you're gonna you're gonna have those. You're gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna. Well, I think it's kind of it's functional, right,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not so that you can look like
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise. It's because I mean sometimes the sun's in
Speaker 1: your eyes, right, especially I would think it's, yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta fly West. But yeah, other than that, with sunglasses off,
Speaker 1: just someone who's who's cool, laid back, you know, with
Speaker 1: someone that when things go wrong. Is it true that
Speaker 1: I take a lot of comfort in this um. Is
Speaker 1: it true that the commercial airlines are so autopilot ish
Speaker 1: that there's really a whole not a whole lot of
Speaker 1: human moving parts inside of flying one. Let me preface
Speaker 1: this by saying I don't know firsthand, but I have
Speaker 1: talked to a couple of pilots in my squadron that
Speaker 1: basically just got their a TP, which their Airline Transport
Speaker 1: pilot license, so they're like kind of looking to transition
Speaker 1: into that realm. And even the aircraft that they're flying now,
Speaker 1: like some of the air busses and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: almost have an override such that the plane is built
Speaker 1: for autopilot. Like if you take the yoke and you
Speaker 1: turn it hard left, the plane is gonna stop you
Speaker 1: with like thirty or forty five degrees based on whatever
Speaker 1: speed you're going, so you not even the plane has
Speaker 1: almost more control in that instance than you. Um So yeah,
Speaker 1: the planes, again, this is my kind of uninformed opinion.
Speaker 1: It is my understanding that, yeah, that they're basically built
Speaker 1: for autopilot. Let's see, unless there's a problem. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that that's where you really want. There's probably
Speaker 1: a lot. It's kind of like me, I'm teaching some
Speaker 1: of our or at least driving with our kids while
Speaker 1: they drive right now, and I've got a car that
Speaker 1: beeps when you yeah, and it does all sorts of
Speaker 1: fancy things. And I'm trying to get my kids not
Speaker 1: to use that because I want them to develop the
Speaker 1: skills of a driver, because if there's a problem, I
Speaker 1: want them to know how to hit the brakes or
Speaker 1: to anticipate it before lane assists. And I think that
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't. I mean, I hear what you're saying. Well,
Speaker 1: I take comfort in this because, um, to this day,
Speaker 1: every time I'm in an airplane that uh is this?
Speaker 1: Does everybody do this? Like when you're in an airplan
Speaker 1: lane and it lands, you're just like clenching the rails,
Speaker 1: the handrails on your seat. I mean not worried about it,
Speaker 1: not really anymore. I mean, if it's been a long
Speaker 1: make sure I'm sitting straight up so I don't hit
Speaker 1: my tailbone or something hard. But do you know I've
Speaker 1: taken off in more airplanes than I've landed in. And you, yeah,
Speaker 1: you've jumped out of airplane. Yeah. He likes the wind
Speaker 1: in his hair. It's more of a yeah. So Spence
Speaker 1: was in the U. S. Military for many years. How
Speaker 1: many jumps did you make? Man? I did the five
Speaker 1: to get airborne qualified. Yeah, my last one. My shoot
Speaker 1: didn't open up all the way? How did that burned in? Well?
Speaker 1: I came out and in shorter. I mean you tell me,
Speaker 1: I mean it was crazy. Tell me how you don't
Speaker 1: die when your shot doesn't work. Well, it's a whole story.
Speaker 1: But we uh, I jumped out and in the airborne
Speaker 1: like for the army, which it was really hard to
Speaker 1: bite my tongue when you're talking about the getting issued sunglasses,
Speaker 1: because I'm like that he's just issued us some body armor.
Speaker 1: Ye good, go man. Yeah, so they're like, here's a
Speaker 1: poncho that weeks um. But yeah, so when you when
Speaker 1: you jump out, you you kind of just there's a
Speaker 1: way to exit the plane so you don't hit the
Speaker 1: side with all your gear and stuff, and you you
Speaker 1: tumble and you're on a line. It's called a static line.
Speaker 1: And as you go out, you're flipping around and you
Speaker 1: reach it into that line and that yankster shoot open.
Speaker 1: So you're in like the prop wash, the gravity pulling
Speaker 1: you out of the plane. The line catches. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: less gravity as it is stepping out and the planes
Speaker 1: going however fast it's going. And then there's a big turbines,
Speaker 1: you know, the propellers and you just go and uh
Speaker 1: so anyways, that that that did it. But I had
Speaker 1: a bad exit because I was pushed out, um not
Speaker 1: because I wasn't ready to go as the first guy,
Speaker 1: and the jump master was kind of trying to be
Speaker 1: funny and I was waiting. There's a little green light
Speaker 1: and when the green light gut goes on, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to hear go and then you jump and it went
Speaker 1: green and I looked at him and he didn't say anything,
Speaker 1: and that he pushed me out, which is like terrible.
Speaker 1: So I hit the side of the plane and then yeah,
Speaker 1: and I got when my shoe came open, it's oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like all twisted up. His blood Part two.
Speaker 1: Clay has seen every Rambo movie was the last movie
Speaker 1: I watched around yanked open and my shoot was all
Speaker 1: kind of twisted up. You know, if you've ever played
Speaker 1: with like a toy parachuet, that's all twisted up. So
Speaker 1: I was going down and it would kind of inflate,
Speaker 1: and then I had another guy that was wrapped in
Speaker 1: my lines because he get jumped out. And then when
Speaker 1: it and finally I got it up and You're only
Speaker 1: about eight hundred foot above the ground when he jumped,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, I got it up, and
Speaker 1: there's a reserve. Yeah, only eight and there's a reserve
Speaker 1: you pool, but if you're pulled the reserve, it's like
Speaker 1: a guaranteed broken leg, like yeah, I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: it's just gonna keep you from yeah, because you come
Speaker 1: down like flat on your back because it's on your
Speaker 1: your belly. And uh So, anyways, I finally got it
Speaker 1: up about I don't know, I was about halfway down.
Speaker 1: I got it to deploy a little. You got untangled,
Speaker 1: came off the side of the plane and you're just
Speaker 1: like free falling. You got it up in the air,
Speaker 1: but tangle up, and so I was able to get it,
Speaker 1: I don't It all happened very quickly, as you can imagine.
Speaker 1: And then another guy kept getting tangled up and he
Speaker 1: would run on top of my my shoot, like he
Speaker 1: was coming down faster, and so like he would go
Speaker 1: pump pump, pump pump, and it would collapse my shoot.
Speaker 1: And and so we're at this point, we're about two
Speaker 1: d foot above the ground and and it's all trees
Speaker 1: and running out. Yeah. So then I just essentially just
Speaker 1: hit the ground. I hit the trees, hit the ground,
Speaker 1: So you didn't pull your emergency shot. So the shoot
Speaker 1: must have been opened enough that it slowed me down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I got it. I got to flare right for
Speaker 1: I hit. But I still it's about the equivalent of
Speaker 1: falling off like a three story building. And I went
Speaker 1: hit some trees and went head first in the ground.
Speaker 1: So are you serious you were shorter? Yeah? Really? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: where I don't know, somewhere in Georgia. What's the time
Speaker 1: frame on something like that, Like from the time you
Speaker 1: you jump out to the time it's it's about probably
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty seconds if I remember correctly, because it's fast
Speaker 1: enough that you have a good chance. I think they
Speaker 1: want like no more than a fifth of the people
Speaker 1: to be hurt. So it's fast enough that but it's
Speaker 1: also but it's slow enough to keep you from everybody
Speaker 1: getting hurt, but fast enough that it's hard to shoot
Speaker 1: you when you're going through there. Okay, so there's a practicality,
Speaker 1: there's some practical force. When they gave you your sun jacket,
Speaker 1: did you have to like do anything dangerous? Well, we
Speaker 1: did do our parachute training, which was of course us
Speaker 1: on a zip line doing the completely non dangerous version
Speaker 1: of this. So we did the parachute train is like,
Speaker 1: hey man, if you ever eject, it's like what feet together,
Speaker 1: needs together, and you kind of just try to like
Speaker 1: do the worm onto the ground to kind of absorb
Speaker 1: the impact. We didn't have to actually jump out of
Speaker 1: planes if you have to. Yeah, army guys had to
Speaker 1: jump out of planes pilots, sunglasses and top gun jacket.
Speaker 1: Did you go to dance school to learn the worm first? No,
Speaker 1: they just we did karaoke training how to sing uh
Speaker 1: you lost that love and feeling I like it? I
Speaker 1: like it? And to kind of tie it up. Having
Speaker 1: made that fifth jump, I got this little merit badge
Speaker 1: and then in military parlance, I was called a five
Speaker 1: jump chump. Bringing it back to the Cumberland. Everything back
Speaker 1: in the club. Um. So there was just this week,
Speaker 1: just this week, the Missouri Department of Conservation, it says
Speaker 1: public CORRP cooperation leads to multiple arrests for gross over
Speaker 1: limit of squirrels. Yeah, sures. A group of sixteen had
Speaker 1: been hunting for two days and harvested four hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy one squirrels. Okay, aside from like just the many
Speaker 1: things that probably were happening here. If you if you
Speaker 1: put me in and Michael Lanier and like the best
Speaker 1: squirrel hunters I know and gave us, you know how
Speaker 1: many days a couple of days, two days to kill squirrels,
Speaker 1: we'd be we'd be scrapping. So these boys are some
Speaker 1: squirrel hunters. Now, there's many questions like where do you
Speaker 1: get you and fifteen year closest friends who all want
Speaker 1: to go squirrel hunting? Yeah, no doubt I can. I
Speaker 1: can barely find one or two. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of unanswered questions. And the picture of the squirrels, they're
Speaker 1: all like charred, burned rats. That's what it looks like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know when I saw it because I actually saw
Speaker 1: it on the Mediator Instagram page, and I had a
Speaker 1: lot of initial questions about what was happening here and why,
Speaker 1: But I thought, you know, these could just be because
Speaker 1: this is Missouri, there's some major cities and there these
Speaker 1: could just be some suburban guys who got squirrels in
Speaker 1: their attic and got upset. I mean, I think I've
Speaker 1: had one squirrel in our attic and I could understand
Speaker 1: how they would drive you to that level. Probably there
Speaker 1: was a there was a clue inside of here is
Speaker 1: that they were non resident squirrel hunters. Okay, so they
Speaker 1: have dogs, they were out of staters. They're out of staters,
Speaker 1: they have dogs. Well, I'm wondering if he doesn't say,
Speaker 1: I don't think so an urban nighte uh person experienced
Speaker 1: this squirrel in the attic and then it drove them
Speaker 1: to the woods. I'm going to take out this aggression.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I thought. And it made sense to
Speaker 1: me how how a squirrel could do that to how
Speaker 1: it could become a personal thing man, you know. And
Speaker 1: I got to get these guys on the podcast. Hey
Speaker 1: not cool, guys, is poaching, But tell us your secrets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how many squirrels in like an eastern deciduous forest, a
Speaker 1: healthy forest in public land? How many squirrels per like
Speaker 1: what's the density of a squirrel? I really don't have
Speaker 1: a scientific answer for that, but I know that these
Speaker 1: guys were Probably they were in some real good squirrel country,
Speaker 1: or they were covering a lot of ground because there
Speaker 1: is not I mean, we have a hard time in
Speaker 1: the Ozarks killing the limited squirrels, which is that they're
Speaker 1: per person, so it would be three twenty so they
Speaker 1: were a hundred and sixty over so other than my
Speaker 1: theory of just personal aggression. Yeah, why would someone the
Speaker 1: squirrel cook Off? Yeah? Yeah, they're getting ready for the
Speaker 1: Arkansas Yeah canceled. Yeah, especially to be this weekend. That's right, dude,
Speaker 1: you might be onto, man, you might really be honest, buddy.
Speaker 1: Joe Wilson up in Bentonville, Arkansas, puts on the World
Speaker 1: Championship Squirrel cook Off. Um, there's a podcast did about Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we did. We did a podcast with it. It's really
Speaker 1: a cool event where they could call these squirrels there.
Speaker 1: There are some cultures outside of Southern people that deeply
Speaker 1: value squirrel mate, and I would assume that these people
Speaker 1: were some of those kinds. So there's some squirrel mate,
Speaker 1: So they intended it to eat it, were gonna they weren't.
Speaker 1: Just about the fact that they burned the hair off
Speaker 1: of them tells you that they were probably gonna use
Speaker 1: the skin in some way. Yeah, I mean, because typically
Speaker 1: we would skin a squirrel. Yeah, you know, the hide
Speaker 1: would just be refuse, you know, So they were gonna
Speaker 1: cook those suckers whole. So you know, so really you're
Speaker 1: talking like they killed an extra five squirrels a person
Speaker 1: over two days negative, way more than five per day.
Speaker 1: So that's half your daily limit over over, so it
Speaker 1: would be fifteen person a day. They weren't good with math,
Speaker 1: pretty complex maths. Well that's a good thing. That defense.
Speaker 1: What's that I'm not good with math? Is that the defense?
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good reason that like I
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about like getting over my limit
Speaker 1: of squirrels. Yeah, just not that good at squirrel Yeah,
Speaker 1: just send you off on a mule and say, remember
Speaker 1: the same out as your fingers. You'll get them you
Speaker 1: like a like a lanyard off of each hand. Well,
Speaker 1: we're about to start doing some scroll hunting here soon.
Speaker 1: It's it's about Tom. Let me know. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: I got a mule. It needs to be written. Yes
Speaker 1: you do, Yeah you do. I'm taking your mule with
Speaker 1: me today. I don't cool. Yeah I am. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: taking two. I'm taking Easy and Ace to uh to
Speaker 1: bait our back country bear bait over there. He's a
Speaker 1: pretty solid fellow. So one of the mules that I
Speaker 1: keep here is Colby's Mule. So yeah, Hey, Soils from
Speaker 1: the Earth the podcast massive gamble to to have the
Speaker 1: audacity to think that we could entertain people, because I
Speaker 1: think people come to podcasts start. People don't come to
Speaker 1: podcast just to get taught something. I mean, you go
Speaker 1: to college and listen to someone lecture to get taught something,
Speaker 1: and you have to pay to be there, and that's
Speaker 1: the only reason you go. And it's not fun. Like
Speaker 1: people come to a podcast to kind of be entertained,
Speaker 1: kind of learned something, but mainly to be entertained. And uh,
Speaker 1: this Soils podcast, you know, we've kind of had in
Speaker 1: the hopper for a while. And uh, but the one
Speaker 1: thing that Soils too is that fits into the bear grease.
Speaker 1: The idea of Beargrease is that I knew that it
Speaker 1: would be insightful for people that don't have much knowledge
Speaker 1: of the soil so because it's it's that's what I
Speaker 1: do love stuff that when you go into it thinking,
Speaker 1: thinking you understand something, and then really getting some insight
Speaker 1: out of it. I mean that was my experience as
Speaker 1: I studied soils twenty years ago and Dr Miller's class.
Speaker 1: It was just like, Wow, this is fascinating. What do
Speaker 1: you think? Actually, Uh, my wife, which is kind of
Speaker 1: weird to say, uh, with me listening to it, and
Speaker 1: she's like, man, this is really interesting and she really
Speaker 1: liked it too. Uh. It was eye opening. I think
Speaker 1: the part that I liked the most that was dr
Speaker 1: Woods and just how all the things that he had
Speaker 1: learned and done just out of his own energy, you know,
Speaker 1: and to pursue it. And that was really cool to say.
Speaker 1: Hear like someone that's doing something. And I was whenever
Speaker 1: the the I didn't read the description or anything, but
Speaker 1: whenever I started listening to it and heard what was about,
Speaker 1: I was like, men of hope, Spence is on there
Speaker 1: forecast that he was gonna be Yeah. Yeah. When I
Speaker 1: heard his voice, I was like, it feels good to
Speaker 1: be right, Um, But I didn't just like seeing like
Speaker 1: what happens to a pasture pre impost Spence bringing his
Speaker 1: his kid of poultry out there. Uh, it's really cool
Speaker 1: to see what changes inside of just like on a
Speaker 1: small scale, inside of that environment, and so that over
Speaker 1: several years it would be really cool too to see.
Speaker 1: I mean, even like thinking about owning land, I'm thinking, man,
Speaker 1: I'd love to be able to try to do something
Speaker 1: like that and just make it better than when I
Speaker 1: took it over, you know, uh with like that or
Speaker 1: like the guys at landing legacy with putting in native
Speaker 1: species and making a cool environment and just controlling that atmosphere.
Speaker 1: So I was like, man, soilist is going even deeper
Speaker 1: than I thought. Uh, you know, because growing up we
Speaker 1: always fertilized our gardens, tealed it up. It's like what
Speaker 1: is triplet. It's a mix of stuff chemicals. It's the
Speaker 1: most common like fertilizer and go to the store. It's
Speaker 1: got the m p K your nitrogen, phosphorus potassium. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that Um, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: known it that chemical fertilizers. Nitrogen fertilizer was developed by Germans.
Speaker 1: The Germans habor pross Us I think is what it's called. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we didn't even have chemical fertilizers until you know,
Speaker 1: the forties. It's super interesting all the things that we
Speaker 1: got that are kind of a byproduct of that of
Speaker 1: world the World War two. Yeah, I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: so interesting because when you think about processed food, and
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff came from that same all
Speaker 1: that same research that was useful in that context, and
Speaker 1: then they tried to apply it and make it useful
Speaker 1: in other contexts. It's created a lot of problems. Most
Speaker 1: of the like all the insecticides, a lot of them
Speaker 1: were really disturbingly close to nerve gas that was used
Speaker 1: in World War Two when the Nazis, and a lot
Speaker 1: of rebranding there, you know, even getting up to like
Speaker 1: that's one way to see, you know. And the Dr
Speaker 1: Wood was Dr Woods, he mentioned that, you know, he's like,
Speaker 1: it's in agriculture, that's the big thing. Like I was
Speaker 1: listening to a football program, you know, like for the
Speaker 1: University of Arkansas, and and one of the sponsors of
Speaker 1: the program was an herb side company, you know, for
Speaker 1: rice farmers, you know, and it's just you can't make
Speaker 1: money to unless you're selling to farmers, and so all
Speaker 1: these things are there to get sold. Well it's it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's you can't really talk bad about fertilizer
Speaker 1: because it's it's such a complex system. And I hope
Speaker 1: that inside the podcast it didn't feel like an attack
Speaker 1: on agriculture because and I thought Dr Woods did a
Speaker 1: good job of saying that, you know, these farmers are
Speaker 1: fitting inside of a system, just like the chicken farmers
Speaker 1: are spends. Just like you said, there's there's there's people
Speaker 1: that grow for these big organizations. And to grow for
Speaker 1: those organizations, you have to fit inside of the shape
Speaker 1: of being a chicken farmer. And you know you said
Speaker 1: that you guys are outside of that system. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I've got good friends in the delta. We
Speaker 1: all do, probably in this room. I'm married into a
Speaker 1: rice and soybean family. Yeah, And I mean, so that's
Speaker 1: why I said that, really what needs to happen is
Speaker 1: a reformation. A reformation is not just let's do things different,
Speaker 1: it's let's change the whole system. And I mean that's
Speaker 1: a big bite, because there's all these farmers that have
Speaker 1: their whole lives and their whole everything they do is
Speaker 1: built inside of a current system that does work for
Speaker 1: them financially, right, and that that actually came from its
Speaker 1: own I mean the Green Revolution, Norman Borlog won a
Speaker 1: nomail peace price because some of like genetically modified wheat
Speaker 1: so that it could feed more people. The idea behind
Speaker 1: some of these things was to actually feed hungry a
Speaker 1: growing population on planet Earth and in places that didn't
Speaker 1: have up tomal weather conditions, and it has had by products,
Speaker 1: but I mean originally the motive for some of these things,
Speaker 1: some of the things inside that system. Yeah, where we're
Speaker 1: actually humanitating wonderful things. So how do you how do
Speaker 1: you do that? Like that was really a question that
Speaker 1: I kind of had even after this research for this
Speaker 1: is like what do you do when a system is
Speaker 1: not really sustainable but it fuels everything right now and
Speaker 1: the present. Because what we're saying when we're looking back
Speaker 1: at civilizations and the soil is that the current way
Speaker 1: we're doing things is pretty much guaranteed. You know, at
Speaker 1: some point in the future the system is going to break.
Speaker 1: I mean, is that you and I mean if we're
Speaker 1: talking about ten years, no, But if we're talking about
Speaker 1: civilizations like Babylonia, Mesopotamia, these guys did stuff for a
Speaker 1: thousand years and this this baseline kept moving of what
Speaker 1: was normal, and here we are this extreme namely young nation.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been having agriculture for a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty years or so in this country. Well, and it
Speaker 1: depends where you're at, yeah, I mean big Midwest agriculture
Speaker 1: for sure, you're talking about Yeah, but the I mean
Speaker 1: in dirt that book that we were talking about, the dirt,
Speaker 1: The Erosion of Civilizations by David Montgomery, I think is
Speaker 1: his name. He said he correlates the rise and fall
Speaker 1: of civilization, is not so succinctly with just erosion, but
Speaker 1: he said it's you know, we look, major civilization lasts
Speaker 1: a thousand years and they erode their dirt and about
Speaker 1: a thousand years, right, and then he brings it up
Speaker 1: to present and says we're on track to do it
Speaker 1: in about two d and fifty mm hmm, which starts
Speaker 1: making you. I mean this. I was thinking about this
Speaker 1: on the way down here. The idea that we have
Speaker 1: removed ourselves as a culture from the way we produce food.
Speaker 1: And this is something I've talked about a lot with hunting,
Speaker 1: where it's like, I think you should participate. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna eat meat, you should participate and know what it
Speaker 1: feels like to kill something because that has a weight
Speaker 1: and a gravity that will make you cherish this product.
Speaker 1: It will make you understand everything that went into it.
Speaker 1: And in the same way agriculture, it's like we're routing
Speaker 1: eroding soil. When the soil is gone, we don't have food.
Speaker 1: When we don't have food, we're gone. Like it's a
Speaker 1: very big problem. But I think what you're looking at, though,
Speaker 1: it's it's not just agriculture. It's a human problem. It's
Speaker 1: that we're like blips on I mean, just our lives.
Speaker 1: Lives are like flashes, and our capacity to radically alter
Speaker 1: this system that moves on just a completely different time scale,
Speaker 1: you know, like and whether it's agriculture, whether it's education,
Speaker 1: whether it's politics, whether it's like the national debt in America.
Speaker 1: I mean, all these things we know like this isn't sustainable,
Speaker 1: this isn't sustainable, but we're kind of it's that what
Speaker 1: the sunk cost fallacy or there's an economic term where
Speaker 1: we kind of just put so much into it we
Speaker 1: can't turn around now, and we can't turn around now,
Speaker 1: you know. And it so I don't think it's just
Speaker 1: it was interesting to look at it at the lens
Speaker 1: of agriculture, but I think you're just looking at a
Speaker 1: human problem. In in uh, you have a book up
Speaker 1: there on the shelf called The Unsettling of America by
Speaker 1: Wendel Berry, and he talks about renewable energy, and he
Speaker 1: he was this book was, by the way, published in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, and it feels as relevant today as
Speaker 1: it I'm sure it did back then. But he talks
Speaker 1: about renewable energy and him and his friend were having
Speaker 1: a conversation like his nuclear the way is solar the way,
Speaker 1: and Wendell's takeaway was like, we'll find a way to
Speaker 1: kill ourselves with whatever consumption is the issue, Well, it
Speaker 1: seems to be a consistent problem. You know what you
Speaker 1: said about a human lifespan is the issue at hand,
Speaker 1: because we are And I think that's what fascinates me
Speaker 1: about looking back at history and about seeing all these
Speaker 1: these old guys and studying them and studying about the earth,
Speaker 1: is that we are just were. It sounds cliche, but
Speaker 1: it's true. We will We are here for such a
Speaker 1: short short time. It's kind of like a grass fire.
Speaker 1: I think about a think about a grass fire. The
Speaker 1: grass fire, there's this one small little edge that all
Speaker 1: the attention is on, and it's moving across the landscape,
Speaker 1: and everything behind it's burned, and everything in front of
Speaker 1: it is not burned. And if you were to turn
Speaker 1: loose people to deal with it, all you could think
Speaker 1: about would be that edge of the grass fire, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be looking ahead. But how do they put out
Speaker 1: grass fires? A lot of times they go way in
Speaker 1: front of the grass fire and fix a break up there.
Speaker 1: But now, this idea of reformation is a word that
Speaker 1: that we use sometimes just about how the system is broke.
Speaker 1: And man, that's a hard thing to say, because I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of people's faces and names that I know
Speaker 1: that are farmers, that they're making a good living there,
Speaker 1: happy inside of the system. That but but it's not
Speaker 1: it's certainly not the best system. But well I even
Speaker 1: think of like we it's kind of like not knowing
Speaker 1: you're sick. Especially with dr woods talked about you know,
Speaker 1: settlers they when they walked across or when they could
Speaker 1: ride their horse through the woods and not lose their
Speaker 1: hat because the trees are so happy because his ears
Speaker 1: blocked the limbs. But you know, like you think of
Speaker 1: the chestnuts and that when you hear like what forests
Speaker 1: look like or the woods two hundred years ago, it's
Speaker 1: radically different than what I would consider. Oh look at
Speaker 1: this good stand up hickory and oaks out in this holler. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and it's like we're trying to
Speaker 1: preserve things that we don't even know what they were.
Speaker 1: We we have land on one of the rivers around here,
Speaker 1: and and there's a huge erosion problem. I've I've got
Speaker 1: farmland with cut bank and it's cost me thousands of
Speaker 1: dollars a year. We knew it when we got it.
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, we're trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: to deal with that. And my whole viewpoint was radically
Speaker 1: shifted by this eighty four year old cattle woman who
Speaker 1: still builds her own barber fence. Were on the other
Speaker 1: side of the river, and we're talking about the river
Speaker 1: and the gravel mining that had set all this off,
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, well, you know, the river didn't
Speaker 1: even used to be here, right. She's like, I learned
Speaker 1: to swim, and she points across the valley where to
Speaker 1: the other like side of the where the ground goes up,
Speaker 1: you know, the ridge. She says, I learned to swim
Speaker 1: there in the forties and that's where that's where there
Speaker 1: used to be. And then they were digging all this
Speaker 1: gravel and the river jumped and it's been like that
Speaker 1: for decades. But there were no like aerial maps back
Speaker 1: then you know, or the river meandered well a lot,
Speaker 1: they dug gravel. They were digging gravel next to the river. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it just hopped over to where man had been. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the river wasn't even there, It wasn't in Like,
Speaker 1: it's mind boggling to sit there because there's like beavers
Speaker 1: and there's you know, and it's real pretty and we
Speaker 1: want to restore it. But the thing is, it's like
Speaker 1: you're not really restoring it. Yeah, you know. So it's
Speaker 1: just all these are they're not black and white questions
Speaker 1: there like even and I thought, and it's good to
Speaker 1: think about these things that. The other part to that
Speaker 1: it was just so fascinating to me is that the
Speaker 1: Ozarks were terraformed by Native Americans before Europeans got here.
Speaker 1: So this, like even that picture that we were getting
Speaker 1: back to was like carefully managed by seasonal burns and uh, undergrowth.
Speaker 1: What you mean about terraformed um shaping the earth. It's
Speaker 1: so like when the Europeans got here, there had not
Speaker 1: been uh and Brooks Levin's talks about this in his book,
Speaker 1: but there wasn't any year round people living in the Ozarks.
Speaker 1: They were just coming in. But even so they were
Speaker 1: changing the landscape to aid them in their hunting and
Speaker 1: they're gathering. Um, if you take out the undergrowth from
Speaker 1: trees that produce mass c ops, you can graze animals
Speaker 1: under there. It's just like, so we walk in and
Speaker 1: I heard somebody describe it as um, we thought we
Speaker 1: were in an Edenic paradise, but really it was just
Speaker 1: the hard work of the Native Americans who had come before,
Speaker 1: and then we extra pated them and then we're like
Speaker 1: this is perfect, and then everything changed and because which
Speaker 1: is not. It's not say any of that is bad,
Speaker 1: it is to be for me. It's like, be cognizant
Speaker 1: of the good ways that you can steward the land
Speaker 1: because there was a sustainable system in place that we've
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just out west and there's wildfires everywhere,
Speaker 1: but we've sort of chewed the use of uh controlled burns.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it seems like a great tool
Speaker 1: to mitigate some of that fuel. Yeah, what what made
Speaker 1: you want to do this podcast over soils? Like you said,
Speaker 1: had been in the hopper a while. Well, just my
Speaker 1: initial fascination with soils and Dr Miller's class. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I came into his soil. I said, I studied soils
Speaker 1: almost by accident, which was very true. Man, I didn't
Speaker 1: even want to go to college. Um, I really didn't
Speaker 1: like my If Gary was here, he could tell the
Speaker 1: whole story. But I mean, in our family, you went
Speaker 1: to college. And that was because my grandfather, Lewin Knwcom,
Speaker 1: was the first Nucomb that ever went to college. And
Speaker 1: it was a big deal back in the forties to
Speaker 1: go to go to go to college. You know, these
Speaker 1: poor rural people in Arkansas going to college. Well, he
Speaker 1: came out very adamant with his kids about the way
Speaker 1: you make yourself in this world is go to college.
Speaker 1: So he just pounded into Gary Knucom's head you got
Speaker 1: to go to college. And so Gary Knwcomb pounded that
Speaker 1: into me such that it almost I didn't want to
Speaker 1: go almost in probably not rebellion. It wasn't straight rebellion,
Speaker 1: but it was just like, I'm not sure if this
Speaker 1: is important as you think it is. Well, and then
Speaker 1: I got married and I decided that it was good
Speaker 1: for me to go to college. And I went to college,
Speaker 1: and I never I never really used my degree for anything,
Speaker 1: because when I got to college, I started working for myself,
Speaker 1: and I worked for myself until a year ago. I
Speaker 1: want to start working for me eater um. But that
Speaker 1: college education was incredible for me, truly was. And I
Speaker 1: you know, you might get the sense that me and
Speaker 1: Dr Miller are like best friends. He didn't remember who
Speaker 1: I was. Like. I walked in his office and he goes,
Speaker 1: I mean you know I I had emailed him and
Speaker 1: been like, hey, I'm a former student. You were my advisor.
Speaker 1: You know, um, I'd like to do this podcast with you,
Speaker 1: and he was like, sure, come on. And I get
Speaker 1: in his office and he goes, yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: remember you, and I stayd out with him. But he
Speaker 1: was he was influal, not not for soils his engaging
Speaker 1: style of lecturing. And I remember he was one of
Speaker 1: the first classes I took, and I liked the way
Speaker 1: the guy talked, And in years later I would say
Speaker 1: that I learned how to talk when I was in
Speaker 1: college just by being around educated people that were using
Speaker 1: words on purpose, and Dr Miller was the first one
Speaker 1: of that. I didn't really tell him that. So if
Speaker 1: he listens to this, Dr Miller, thank you. Um, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that to him. But I didn't want
Speaker 1: to wear him out too much like you, because I
Speaker 1: was a good student, got a whole wall at home.
Speaker 1: He's a cool guy, he really is, but he uh.
Speaker 1: But when I took his took his class, and you
Speaker 1: know who picked my degree for me, like literally picked
Speaker 1: it out of a book. Like I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Missy Nucleam. So I came anybody could
Speaker 1: have done that. I came home and she said, I
Speaker 1: think you needed to get a degree in environment crop,
Speaker 1: soil environmental science. And I said, sounds good to me.
Speaker 1: They didn't have wildlife biology here. That wasn't an option.
Speaker 1: It was a miner. By the time I was kicking
Speaker 1: around it all right, almost had a modern biology. I
Speaker 1: also was the one that kind of encouragedly to drop
Speaker 1: out of college the first time. It's like, you don't
Speaker 1: have to go to college. I mean we met, we
Speaker 1: were young, and you can take that out as well.
Speaker 1: So to answer your question, when I went into Dr
Speaker 1: Miller soils class, I had no idea that I was
Speaker 1: going to learn something so fundamental to the human experience.
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, I'm sorry, not all go. I thought
Speaker 1: it was really interesting how when he was talking about
Speaker 1: the Roman Empire and uh in Italy where they basically
Speaker 1: just eroded all the soils way down to rock, and
Speaker 1: how that literally shaped the culture of what we think
Speaker 1: of when we think of Italy and Italian food. He
Speaker 1: was like, all they had left was rock, so they
Speaker 1: planted what they say, grapes and all of what is
Speaker 1: Italian food, I mean it's wine, and it's like shaped
Speaker 1: the culinary history and how we even perceive Italy as
Speaker 1: a as a country Italian food because that's what they had,
Speaker 1: That's what they did. At the end of the Roman Empire,
Speaker 1: it was illegal for a farmer's son to leave the
Speaker 1: farm to pursue another career because it was so desolate,
Speaker 1: like nobody was staying on the farm and they couldn't
Speaker 1: produce any food they had there. Yah, they're like, nope,
Speaker 1: you've you've got to go even though you're producing like nothing.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. You think, like in the Middle East talking
Speaker 1: land flowing with milk and honey and all these areas
Speaker 1: that we look at that are desolate now, like what
Speaker 1: do they look like back? You know? And I think,
Speaker 1: what's what's someone a thousand years from now going to
Speaker 1: think about, you know, the planes of the US. You know,
Speaker 1: like I've seen a picture is of from the dust
Speaker 1: Bowl and it's it's a it's mind boggling. Like I
Speaker 1: saw this one where there's one like blue stem plant
Speaker 1: or it's some prairie grass and it's on a three
Speaker 1: foot pillar of soil and everything else around it has
Speaker 1: gone and it was the roots system this one holdout.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's like it's a chest high on
Speaker 1: a guy that's walking by. But all that, like Dr
Speaker 1: Miller said, two ft of soil in like a day,
Speaker 1: that's pretty crazy. I I we actually watched a documentary
Speaker 1: that there's a Kim Burns documentary on the desk Bowl,
Speaker 1: and you know, kim Burns spares no detail. They're very
Speaker 1: in depth documentaries, and it was so so interesting how
Speaker 1: just a man made disaster. It was pretty wild. And
Speaker 1: you know, if you're from these parts, then you would know,
Speaker 1: Like my great grandparents traveled to California for work. They
Speaker 1: weren't from Oklahoma, they were from from this area. But
Speaker 1: the lot of people moved moved to Oaky's from Muskogee.
Speaker 1: That was the It was like a derogatory, a derogatory termament,
Speaker 1: just such a tragic. There was a whole Arkansas, Oklahoma
Speaker 1: to California, you know, like just a huge migration of people.
Speaker 1: And it's Woody Guthrie, Like every other song is about
Speaker 1: the dust Bowl Merle Haggard's parents. Yeah. The one thing
Speaker 1: that we did talking about massive amounts of soil erosion
Speaker 1: like what happened in the dust Bowl, and then talking
Speaker 1: and bringing it also back to uh DR Woods talking
Speaker 1: about five tons per year per acre on average flowing
Speaker 1: off of fields in Iowa. Um, we just didn't have
Speaker 1: time to get into this, but soil going into water
Speaker 1: systems is massive, massive levels of environmental degradation. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I remember just being shocked. And Dr Miller was the
Speaker 1: one who talked to me about the the dead, the
Speaker 1: two square mild dead in the mouth where the Mississippi
Speaker 1: River flows into the Gulf of Mexico. I mean, I
Speaker 1: really wonder how many people actually know that and believe it.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, twenty years ago, there's no
Speaker 1: such saying as fake news. So when someone told you
Speaker 1: something that was true, you just were like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: know he's saying now, you say it now, And people
Speaker 1: are like, probably that's you know, some political but so
Speaker 1: just because we didn't get to get into it on
Speaker 1: the podcast, nutrients and soil get into water systems and
Speaker 1: become nutrients and water systems that promote algal blooms and
Speaker 1: other types of plants growing in water that suck away
Speaker 1: oxygen that kill animals. So essentially, you know, you're you're
Speaker 1: I want Spence to say what he's gonna say, because
Speaker 1: I'm interrupting him, But I just wanted to say that
Speaker 1: real simple thing like nitrogen potassium phosphorus in your water
Speaker 1: might as well pour diesel fuel in it. And that's
Speaker 1: interesting that you bring that up, because that's a good
Speaker 1: example of the synergistic negative effect that human actions have,
Speaker 1: right of good intentions. So what did we do to
Speaker 1: the Mississippi? You know, Mark Plain, you know, used to
Speaker 1: be a steamboat captain all that, and it was a
Speaker 1: specialized thing when we channelized that more jobs, more people.
Speaker 1: Look at a map from the thirties of the coast
Speaker 1: of Louisiana and now go Google Earth and zoom in,
Speaker 1: and there are lakes like you know how they'll put
Speaker 1: the name of a lake and it's just like out
Speaker 1: in the Gulf, like they lose Like I don't. I
Speaker 1: think it's like a football field a minute or something
Speaker 1: down there, a wetlands that's been going on that the
Speaker 1: ocean is overtaking. Well no, that so what happened is
Speaker 1: that soil that washed down. That's a natural process, and
Speaker 1: it would go down, but it would all slow down
Speaker 1: when it hit the delta, and it would you like,
Speaker 1: it would have the speed of the river and it
Speaker 1: would like just settle out and then marsh land would
Speaker 1: grow and that protected like from hurricanes and and just
Speaker 1: like that. What that's what? Yeah, and Louisiana on their
Speaker 1: license plate Sportsman's Paradise, you know, that's where all your shrimp,
Speaker 1: all these industries right well because of the the oil industry,
Speaker 1: which is huge down there. Um. And that's not a
Speaker 1: knock on them. I drive a car, I put diesel
Speaker 1: in my tractor, you know like that. If you look,
Speaker 1: there's all these channels. They cut all these channels to
Speaker 1: make things go faster and barges. But what that did
Speaker 1: is it pretty much made a shotgun effect of all
Speaker 1: those nutrients and all that soil, so stuff like phosphorus,
Speaker 1: it's sticky, it's sticks on soil. So when it goes
Speaker 1: in the water. It's attached to that soil, and so
Speaker 1: instead of going out and slowing down and you've you've
Speaker 1: seen it on creeks and that kind of stuff, you
Speaker 1: know where a fludle happened, and the the smaller stuff
Speaker 1: is up closer to the bank, and then the bigger stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: so that would fan out and then you get like
Speaker 1: all these marsh plants would grow up. Well, we have
Speaker 1: lie channelize that and turned it into a big shotgun.
Speaker 1: So where is it used to meander? Now it's straight
Speaker 1: as an arrow, and it just I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: a luge out there. Just all that stuff blasts out
Speaker 1: and it fuels what you're talking about. So instead of
Speaker 1: getting fuel and plant life and and and doing that,
Speaker 1: it goes out and it's just bacteria. They eat all oxygen,
Speaker 1: they grow, they die, they turn toxic, and it kills
Speaker 1: everything square mile area in the Gulf of Mexico that
Speaker 1: has no aquatic life. Basically, I just we we just
Speaker 1: hunted that in January and it's just like you're getting
Speaker 1: the boat and drive for sixteen miles in a straight line.
Speaker 1: M it's a river, but instead of being curved down there,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not a river anymore. It's just a
Speaker 1: channel that they have like straightened and engineered. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I wondered how that happened. That makes sense when you
Speaker 1: drive into the so we're we're located, we're real close
Speaker 1: with Oklahoma actually Oklahoma MS reboundaries. And when you drive
Speaker 1: as a our kids play basketball across state lines a lot.
Speaker 1: They go to small school and they play smaller school
Speaker 1: just across the line. And when you drive from Arkansas,
Speaker 1: our legendary former basketball coaches state state champ. Somehow I
Speaker 1: knew that. Okay, you don't want coaching against your boys.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, and Mr, We're gonna have a whole another podcast.
Speaker 1: All right, see drive across the state line and there's
Speaker 1: a big sound, really great play called Flippers. Sorry Mrs.
Speaker 1: It's an inbounds play and Van we scored more points flippers,
Speaker 1: and coaches would yell at children we got we got
Speaker 1: a hand signal that we do from the bench, a
Speaker 1: little little little dolphin flippers and all the boys, I
Speaker 1: mean it's like we're about to score. Boys, go ahead,
Speaker 1: and there's a sign could just go right up. No,
Speaker 1: that isn't really good back. But as you're driving, the
Speaker 1: kids always ask about this sign. There's a huge poster
Speaker 1: that says stop Arkansas Farmers Chicken farmers from poisoning Oklahoma waters.
Speaker 1: And they're talking about that. They're talking about the runoff
Speaker 1: Illinois River stuff. Yeah, I just id bring it up
Speaker 1: because I wish they had a son that said welcome instead.
Speaker 1: You don't have any reviews we're going to get Now
Speaker 1: if people said, oh wow, they got arks Chicken lobby
Speaker 1: is going to come down on your man. We're in
Speaker 1: the heart of the matter here too. Space What I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, this is kind of moving away from
Speaker 1: and when Grant Wood said that oranges of the vitamin
Speaker 1: C they used to have or he started going through
Speaker 1: less iron than what it contained thirty years that's not
Speaker 1: even long ago. Like that. Yeah, that's gotta be the
Speaker 1: difference at the soil. I mean, that's gotta I don't
Speaker 1: know what else could account for the just the taste
Speaker 1: difference that you're dealing with their someone's variety and heart.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's all it's all true. You know, Like
Speaker 1: there's this myth that this stuff isn't sustainable. But like
Speaker 1: when you look at like if you look in the
Speaker 1: food systems of like in Europe, and like the eighteen fifties,
Speaker 1: it was all based on horses and mules and transportation
Speaker 1: because instead of exhaust when you think of like transportation
Speaker 1: two years ago, what was the byproduct of that transportation manure?
Speaker 1: So what fueled agriculture manure? When you go to Europe,
Speaker 1: there's actually like soil types that are because of the
Speaker 1: newer like you can identify where over centuries the manure
Speaker 1: editions and so like. It's not that humans can't manage
Speaker 1: and can't live without being destructive. We can, it's just
Speaker 1: not the way we're doing it now, you know. And
Speaker 1: and so there's there's just these qualities of flexibility and
Speaker 1: change and just being cognizant of what are aware of
Speaker 1: the impact we have and and a lot of those
Speaker 1: things you find them in the hunting community. I don't hunt,
Speaker 1: but I know a lot of the dough. And then
Speaker 1: and then I was like, I could grow a lot
Speaker 1: more chicken than what I've spent on being in this
Speaker 1: dough in the time. So I think it's kind of
Speaker 1: mean because we've seen it over thousands of years. It's
Speaker 1: just antithetical to human nature to kind of be conscious
Speaker 1: of what's going to happen after we die. We just
Speaker 1: people don't want to do it. And that's and that's
Speaker 1: what it takes. You know, like you said, people in
Speaker 1: Europe have you know, had that sustainable that sustainable I
Speaker 1: guess lifestyle and the way that they operated because of
Speaker 1: the byproduct of you know, their transportation, things like that.
Speaker 1: But I mean the things in Iraq from thousands of years,
Speaker 1: people moving and moving, moving and turning in once the
Speaker 1: fertile crescent, the cradle of civilization and turning into a
Speaker 1: waste land. It's just takes a conscious effort from from people.
Speaker 1: It's not what we're wired to do. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's too is to think beyond our lifetime. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you brought it back to death because I thought the
Speaker 1: green burial was super interesting and I'm considering it and
Speaker 1: considering getting rid of the coffin from under my bed.
Speaker 1: I just don't know your kids and your grandkids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to find an Yeah, I just have
Speaker 1: a hole in my field that pop out of that.
Speaker 1: And when I shocked, like I shocked Gobble, my domesticated turkeys.
Speaker 1: And so the big joke with one of my with
Speaker 1: my daughter is Hey, hey, you know how I make
Speaker 1: my turkey's gobble? Should be like no, Daddy, don't do it.
Speaker 1: And I do like a super lives Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: green barrels. Though I didn't realized it was saying. I was, well,
Speaker 1: what was so ridiculous about it is that we even
Speaker 1: thought anything about it? I mean, how do you think
Speaker 1: they buried people? Yeah, the Egyptians mummy five people, and
Speaker 1: we've had some kind of embalming thing for like a
Speaker 1: very short part of human existence. Most humans that have
Speaker 1: ever been born on this planet died and within twenty
Speaker 1: four hours that were in the ground, like a lot
Speaker 1: of sky burials from certain native culture just all very natural. Though.
Speaker 1: I had a buddy just die unexpectedly recently, and the
Speaker 1: hoops that his wife had to jump through to not
Speaker 1: go to a funeral home and stuff like that, like
Speaker 1: the cemetery wouldn't dig a hole for him because they're like,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna do it if it's not going through
Speaker 1: a funeral home. Wow, this is got really deep because
Speaker 1: they finally found a cemetery and incredibly, uh they dug
Speaker 1: the hole with his own back ho Uh. It was.
Speaker 1: It was incredible because if you knew the guy. It
Speaker 1: was like, this is perfect because the only regret other
Speaker 1: than him dying was uh that he was not able
Speaker 1: to tell the story because he was one of the
Speaker 1: best storytellers in the world. Young guy. Yeah, but uh yeah,
Speaker 1: his he had loaned his back ho to somebody had
Speaker 1: broken down. They had just gotten it fixed, found a plot.
Speaker 1: His buddy built a pine box basically put him in it.
Speaker 1: Had to rent a U haul truck to get it
Speaker 1: over there. We had to figure out how to get
Speaker 1: him in the ground with toast wraps. It was, uh,
Speaker 1: it was like that weird laugh cry thing where this
Speaker 1: is ridiculous and somebody's gonna fall in the grave trying
Speaker 1: to get the box in here. But it was their
Speaker 1: perfect Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it was just through this like
Speaker 1: this is no big But it was a cool experience
Speaker 1: because it was like an alternative to what I had
Speaker 1: seen modeled. But it was also just kind of remarkable
Speaker 1: because I mean, it did it happened, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty six hours after he had passed, so like having
Speaker 1: to make that happen because he wasn't getting embalmed and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But it was kind of weird to think,
Speaker 1: like to just do it naturally or relatively naturally is
Speaker 1: a burden. Yeah. Well, and it goes back to Clay.
Speaker 1: You talked on the Daniel Boone like people just they
Speaker 1: were comfortable with death. Yea, Like in society now we
Speaker 1: insulated all like whether it's food. Like one of the
Speaker 1: big drivers to people not eating meat is thinking that
Speaker 1: an animal has to be killed. When you put that
Speaker 1: animal up in the wild and you think, you think
Speaker 1: me with at the process and plants bad. You should
Speaker 1: see her at coon, you know, I mean, like yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's just it's not human. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, like to there there's something missing from the
Speaker 1: human experience. And I think that's what I got out
Speaker 1: of this, Like you did this beautiful reading from hellel
Speaker 1: who was the author um Out of the Earth and
Speaker 1: Man when it when it talked about Adam and Eve,
Speaker 1: and I mean, it's just there's something when you hear that,
Speaker 1: like in my heart at least, there's something like this
Speaker 1: is like base level humanity. It's like that that phrase
Speaker 1: deep calls the deep. I mean when I hear that stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, and it like when I'm out in my
Speaker 1: field and I'll just sit down with the birds or
Speaker 1: the critters are probably when you guys are out hunting. Um,
Speaker 1: Like I used to quail hunt a lot gambill quail
Speaker 1: in southeast Arizona growing up, or i'd go fishing with
Speaker 1: my grandpa, and it's that same thing. It's like to
Speaker 1: just to just feel that your context. I mean, because
Speaker 1: like as much as we don't as my just modern life,
Speaker 1: it's like an illusion. But humanity has been intrically connected
Speaker 1: and still are absolutely like everything that you we all
Speaker 1: are soil. You know, it could come in a plastic package,
Speaker 1: but it started off on the ground and someone tended
Speaker 1: that thing by hand at some point. Now I think
Speaker 1: it these things just hit are on basic humanity. That's what.
Speaker 1: That's why at the end of the podcast, and I
Speaker 1: hope people listen to the end, but you know, there
Speaker 1: was no call to action, so to speak. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like go join this organization or go do this or
Speaker 1: do that. It was just like, hey, if you're a human,
Speaker 1: this is stuff all humans ought to know. Number one
Speaker 1: and then number two. My only called action was next
Speaker 1: time you're out in a wild place, scratch back the leaves,
Speaker 1: scratch back the dirt, pick up a handful of soil,
Speaker 1: look at it, compare the ancientness of that soil to
Speaker 1: your life, and then know that the very atoms of
Speaker 1: your body will one day be soil. And just see
Speaker 1: how that makes you feel when you think about that.
Speaker 1: You know, because it's true. And there was a real
Speaker 1: interesting part of um. It was a really interesting part
Speaker 1: of the interview I did with Dr Miller that I
Speaker 1: did not put on. There where one of my first
Speaker 1: soil classes at the university. I vividly remember. I remember
Speaker 1: who said it, remember where he was, but he said, um,
Speaker 1: it wasn't Dr Miller. He said that the very carbon
Speaker 1: atoms that are in our body, which carbon would be
Speaker 1: in all types of different arrangements in our body. But
Speaker 1: a carbon atom itself, or any kind of atom that's
Speaker 1: in the elemental table, would of itself be this building
Speaker 1: block that could not be altered. But you know, carbon
Speaker 1: hooks up with all this other stuff to make different stuff. Okay,
Speaker 1: But the very carbon atoms that are in our body
Speaker 1: could have been the very carbon atoms that were in
Speaker 1: t Rex MHM like they would have changed constituency. T
Speaker 1: Rex died his organ you know, his flesh rotted into soil.
Speaker 1: Some of them became fossils in the fossil record that
Speaker 1: but that fossil isn't the carbon atoms that were in
Speaker 1: him anyway, just a wild thing, the wild understanding that
Speaker 1: mankind is intricately connected to the soil, and it's a
Speaker 1: baseline understanding of the civilization's health is how they treat
Speaker 1: their soils. And to me, that's massively connected to being
Speaker 1: a woodsman. I mean, I I am not interested in
Speaker 1: being a soil scientist. That's just the truth. I mean,
Speaker 1: if I was, I would have been a soil science
Speaker 1: You may get an honorary degree after this though. No.
Speaker 1: My my main interest in in life, in terms of
Speaker 1: passions and things I'm doing outside of family and different things,
Speaker 1: is is being a woodsman and understanding animals and how
Speaker 1: those animals live, but also the flora, the the you know,
Speaker 1: the plants and trees and their cycles and all that's
Speaker 1: so fascinating, deeply connected to the soil, so you know,
Speaker 1: to be to me, to be a woodsman is to
Speaker 1: understand the big picture of what's going on. Not just
Speaker 1: being able to go out and kill four seventeen squirrels. Man,
Speaker 1: that was impressive, but should not talk about how that's impressive.
Speaker 1: But you know, do you guys agree like this overarching picture?
Speaker 1: I mean, and to me, if you don't value it,
Speaker 1: just just do a hat tip to soil. Then you
Speaker 1: ain't no cowboy. What comes back to two like in
Speaker 1: the Hoods, you ain't no Woods. I'll see where I
Speaker 1: was going with that. That's what. Yeah, it goes back
Speaker 1: to the you know, and I I don't know if
Speaker 1: you covered in the podcast or not, but in the
Speaker 1: hell Hel book he points out that there's kind of
Speaker 1: two sides of the coin when it comes to Genesis.
Speaker 1: In the Book of Genesis, there's this aspect of man like,
Speaker 1: you know, dominate nature. You know, you're in charge, it's
Speaker 1: it's for your use. But then there's an aspect of
Speaker 1: stay of steward and management. And like when I heard
Speaker 1: Dr Woods talk, I don't know what a hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty deer rac looks compared to a one seventy. I mean,
Speaker 1: what's the biggest buck you've ever killed? What would it
Speaker 1: have and what would that be? Right at? Real close
Speaker 1: to one seventy and so most Arkansas deer like what not?
Speaker 1: That not that so, you know, but all it was
Speaker 1: was it's like there it comes down to management to
Speaker 1: get the gains that humans want working within the system, right,
Speaker 1: because he just manages his land and the potential is
Speaker 1: there to get what he wants were him within the system.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought was so cool about hearing him talk,
Speaker 1: is he's just staying within the systems. You know, he
Speaker 1: can see the boundaries and I'm gonna stay in here.
Speaker 1: And then then you see this flourishing where the deer
Speaker 1: go from like what you call him shepherd where they're
Speaker 1: the size of German shepherds to monster bucks. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting the evaluative tools. There would be a hundred
Speaker 1: different ways to evaluate an ecosystem, but our interest is
Speaker 1: in white tailed deer in a lot of ways. And
Speaker 1: so you know he's he's looking at an ecosystem based
Speaker 1: upon antler growth. Um, Hey, I'm going to close with
Speaker 1: one thing, and then I want to hear Mr Forrest
Speaker 1: Teeter sings the song once you get your get fitted out. Hey,
Speaker 1: when Forrest was gonna come, like, I just said, you
Speaker 1: gotta bring a song like it. So this song, I
Speaker 1: don't even know what it is, I can just trust. Hey,
Speaker 1: here's one funny thing, did I wonder if anybody picked
Speaker 1: this up. Dr Miller's talking, and I guess it's because
Speaker 1: I know Dr Miller that this was funny to me.
Speaker 1: But he said and then that organic fraction very he
Speaker 1: just like he just like you could just see his
Speaker 1: eyes almost rolled the back of his head, and he said,
Speaker 1: very interesting organic fraction. And I was like, no, it's not,
Speaker 1: Dr Miller, but you told me it was, And I
Speaker 1: believe you twenty years ago when I was so impressionable,
Speaker 1: But yes, it is interesting. Forest. What are you say?
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm got the old iPad right here. You
Speaker 1: didn't You didn't catch that one? Dr Miller kind of
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, did you? Yeah? I figured that's where he
Speaker 1: lost lost like half year his total voice change. Look
Speaker 1: for you, you need the sunless? Yeah? What are you
Speaker 1: gonna say? Forest? For us? Yeah? This is Anchor's away. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I don't even know that's that's like
Speaker 1: the Navy song. That's like the Navy anthem. That's like
Speaker 1: the song of the years, but plays for me but normally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this song called Paradise. It was written by uh by
Speaker 1: John Prine, and there's lots of bluegrass versions that are
Speaker 1: really good. Um, that I really like, but it's relevant
Speaker 1: to what we're talking about it. He mentioned Kentucky in passing,
Speaker 1: which Daniel Boone will throwback, um, but also just uh
Speaker 1: about this guy wanted to go back and see kind
Speaker 1: of the promised land where his parents had grown up,
Speaker 1: and they said it's all gone cold company voted up,
Speaker 1: took it away. True story. Yeah, but they literally just
Speaker 1: removed the mountain. This is very very applicable. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: that's why. That's why they pay me, all right, Like
Speaker 1: I said, got the iPad crutch here since I was
Speaker 1: I was a short notice performer here. When I was
Speaker 1: a child, my family and would travel now in the
Speaker 1: west in Kentucky where my parents were born, there's a
Speaker 1: backwards old town. It's all been remember so many times
Speaker 1: that my memories are warm. You know, I'm going, daddy,
Speaker 1: and won't you ting me back to New Lenburg County
Speaker 1: down by the Green River where Para dies late. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: in my son, but you're too late in asking Mr
Speaker 1: Peabody's cold Trane's Hall dead away. Sometimes we travel right
Speaker 1: down the Green River to the band in old prison
Speaker 1: down by Adrian Hill, where the air smelled like snakes
Speaker 1: and we shoot with our pistols, but empty pop bottles
Speaker 1: was all we would kill, Daddy. And won't you ting
Speaker 1: me back some mule in Burgh County, down by the
Speaker 1: Green River where Para dies late. I'm rim my son,
Speaker 1: but you're two lane hasking. Mr Peabody is cold Traine
Speaker 1: and is haul died away. Then the coal company came
Speaker 1: with the world's largest shovel and the torture the timber
Speaker 1: and shrimped all the land they dug for their cold
Speaker 1: until the land was forsaken. Then they wrote it all
Speaker 1: down that as the progress and me and Daddy. Won't
Speaker 1: you take me back to mule Linburgh County, down by
Speaker 1: the Green River where paradis lay. Well, I'm sorry, my son,
Speaker 1: but you're two lane asking. Mr Peabody has coal traineau
Speaker 1: is haul dead away. When I die lit my ashes
Speaker 1: float down the Green River. Let my soul rolling up
Speaker 1: to the Rochester dawn. I'll mean halfway into heaven with
Speaker 1: parent di Sweden, just five miles away from wherever I am. Daddy,
Speaker 1: won't you take me back to Mulenburg County down by
Speaker 1: the Green River where parent dies late? Well, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sun but you're two Lane asking Mr Peabody's Cold Trane,
Speaker 1: It's hauld it away. Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome. Oh that
Speaker 1: was a perfect song. Man, it ended up perfect song.
Speaker 1: Glad excellent. Well, thank all you guys for coming