Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 2: Our hungry for a fifty.
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Speaker 1: It's Around the NFL.
Speaker 3: I'm Dan Hansis I got heroes here, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler.
Speaker 3: It is the official Week five preview show Draft edition.
Speaker 3: That's dog won't say no to a burger, No more, not.
Speaker 1: Out of one, I mean, but also fifty burger we've
Speaker 1: already experienced in the first past, so the season of
Speaker 1: seventy burgers, So you're are we going to take it
Speaker 1: down a notch?
Speaker 4: We're gonna accept less and people send it my way.
Speaker 3: GREGI now because I've I've hit out against a big
Speaker 3: next gen about twenty one miles per hour. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: toss being It's like, well, surprise me Reek wooland chasing
Speaker 3: down a ball carrier of this past week hit twenty
Speaker 3: two and I know that's supposed to impress me, and
Speaker 3: it does. Beautiful athlete that Greek Wolan go from tuerk
Speaker 3: two Reek, it's offseason. I missed that and then everybody
Speaker 3: started doing it. And now this was my first maiden
Speaker 3: voyage of Riquel.
Speaker 4: Why does it annoy me? It's it's his choice.
Speaker 1: But it's like how many players are going to change
Speaker 1: their names, Like when I start to understand who they are,
Speaker 1: then they go in another direction, down a different scenam.
Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety two. I was twelve years old and I
Speaker 4: had gone by Danny Hansis to that point wow, and
Speaker 4: I went to made the shift.
Speaker 3: I went to my mom, I said, Mom, I think
Speaker 3: I want to go by Dan and she rubber stamped
Speaker 3: it and I'll always love her for that.
Speaker 1: So you were twelve?
Speaker 5: But was it hard at school? Did they not catch
Speaker 5: on for a while. I don't remember the branding being difficult.
Speaker 4: I feel like it happened. It's a campaign, you know.
Speaker 4: I got to get the teachers involved.
Speaker 2: My dad still hasn't really gotten well.
Speaker 3: My family any any My family didn't transition, but they
Speaker 3: don't have to do that. But my point is, twenty
Speaker 3: two miles per hour is great. I want to see
Speaker 3: somebody with the ball in their hands at twenty two
Speaker 3: because it's different. I think you're right well out sprint
Speaker 3: chasing down You're right is impressive. I like, do you
Speaker 3: keep it back to me?
Speaker 1: You keep issuing new demands, like we understand that when
Speaker 1: that happens, you'll need twenty three.
Speaker 3: When Jon Robinson and maybe has to be on a
Speaker 3: different team hits the open field on a breakaway and
Speaker 3: he's going twenty two.
Speaker 1: Are you impressed they? Are you impressed that Greg runs
Speaker 1: twelve miles an hour? Yes, for a man of his.
Speaker 4: Age, that's great.
Speaker 5: I mean he saw me on the softball field. That
Speaker 5: was very quivers pretty fast.
Speaker 3: I think one of the reasons why the Shield was
Speaker 3: so successful is we had many types of players which
Speaker 3: every roster, no matter the sport. And Greg was that scrappy,
Speaker 3: pesky slap it through the whole take the extra base.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the jack of all trades.
Speaker 4: Defensively, you were You were a value add for us
Speaker 4: and I thank.
Speaker 6: You for that.
Speaker 4: It's a great one year signing, right, I believe it
Speaker 4: was a one year deal.
Speaker 3: All right, This is like I said, the Draft edition
Speaker 3: of Around the NFL Week five already and let's get
Speaker 3: to it. The first overall pick is presented by Draft Kings.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna surprise you guys because it's not It's not
Speaker 3: a ker of a week in terms of matchups. There's
Speaker 3: no Bills Miami here. Good job by Gregy with the
Speaker 3: way things fell for him, he was able to take
Speaker 3: a no doubter or So I'm looking up and down
Speaker 3: this list and I'm saying, what's the game that I
Speaker 3: most want to watch? And this is gonna be a
Speaker 3: surprise because one of the teams barely squeaked out their
Speaker 3: first win last week. But the first overall pick will
Speaker 3: be Chiefs at Vikings. And I'm gonna tell you, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you why.
Speaker 4: First of all, I always have a soft spot for
Speaker 4: the Vikings and Kirk Cousins. I just enjoy watching them.
Speaker 4: They may not be good, but they're never boring.
Speaker 3: And you have a Chiefs team coming off a battle
Speaker 3: here against the Jets on Sunday night where and you
Speaker 3: saw the on social media it was floating around there.
Speaker 3: That was the first game ever where Patrick Mahomes was
Speaker 3: outplayed and they had different metrics for what that means
Speaker 3: to be outplayed, and with Zach Wilson, so you know Mahomes,
Speaker 3: it doesn't sit well that that was the stage he
Speaker 3: was on and that's how he performed. Even though they
Speaker 3: won that game with some hope from the officials. My
Speaker 3: analogy here the Vikings and by the way, this is
Speaker 3: a Chiefs laying four and a half and a fifty
Speaker 3: three over under. And that's part of my point here.
Speaker 3: The Vikings are like a big dumb golden retriever. They're
Speaker 3: cute and they they're fun to play with, and they're
Speaker 3: and in general you like to hang out with them.
Speaker 3: But they also do stuff like relieve themselves in the house,
Speaker 3: or chew up things when they're bored, and and and
Speaker 3: make bad decisions.
Speaker 1: Run away a lot.
Speaker 3: And it's just like, oh my god, this thing is
Speaker 3: so dumb. But it's it's it's cute and it's fun
Speaker 3: to have around. And the Chiefs are like this professionally
Speaker 3: trained German shepherd and it's it's been through battles, that's
Speaker 3: been tested. It knows when to attack and knows when
Speaker 3: to behave it's it's beautifully trained. I like the idea
Speaker 3: of the Chiefs going into Minnesota, into this environment where
Speaker 3: you have this big dumb retriever running around all over
Speaker 3: the place and drawing out some a little bit more
Speaker 3: excitement out of the trained German shepherd and let let's
Speaker 3: have some fun and let's throw the ball around the
Speaker 3: yard and let's have a nice shootout in Minneapolis between
Speaker 3: the Chiefs and Vikings.
Speaker 2: And you got Tony Romo on the call. That adds
Speaker 2: a little I.
Speaker 1: Like that too, Nanson Romo with Tracy Wolfson, and it's
Speaker 1: not a surprise to me. Romo on Patrick Mahomes. That's
Speaker 1: a new concept.
Speaker 5: But the thing about the Chiefs is they're quite different
Speaker 5: though this year.
Speaker 2: So I find that compelling.
Speaker 5: I know you like, for instance, Mark the Rams are
Speaker 5: like they have a different feel to the Rams and
Speaker 5: they've had the best packers. I know the Chiefs aren't
Speaker 5: quite there because it's Mahomes and it's Andy Reid, but
Speaker 5: they are rather different. I mean, the receiver issue is
Speaker 5: an issue. Travis Kelce has had a relatively slow start
Speaker 5: to the season. I think their most dynamic wide receiver
Speaker 5: is a gentleman named Rashie Rice, who on a team
Speaker 5: like mine Soda would be the number four receiver. So
Speaker 5: it's like they're really not that talented in terms of
Speaker 5: their wide receivers. But their team, their fans really think
Speaker 5: this is the best defense we've ever had.
Speaker 2: Are they though?
Speaker 5: I mean they weren't great last week, Like this is
Speaker 5: a good test for them against a good Minnesota offense
Speaker 5: and more importantly, I think long term for the Chiefs,
Speaker 5: I really love the way they ran the ball against
Speaker 5: the Jets, the way they've run the ball the last
Speaker 5: couple of weeks. We know the offensive line is good,
Speaker 5: and seeing the Chiefs be able to run the ball
Speaker 5: in key spots is a little different with Pacheco than
Speaker 5: they have been throughout the course of the Mahomes era.
Speaker 5: I know Pacheco was a big factor last year. He's
Speaker 5: even bigger factor this year. And I think that's where
Speaker 5: you can get after this Vikings defense, which is improved
Speaker 5: this year. They're not the total sieves that they were
Speaker 5: a year ago. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, so the Chiefs have six players with
Speaker 1: one hundred plus receiving yards from one side one pov.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, they're versatile, They're spreading the ball around.
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of different ways to move it
Speaker 1: from another angle. It's like this is kind of part
Speaker 1: two of the post Tyree Kill world, where last year
Speaker 1: they deserve and received a ton of credit for figuring
Speaker 1: it out winning the Super Bowl, and it was it
Speaker 1: was without a true star wide receiver. It was like
Speaker 1: a patchwork a group of guys. It feels a little
Speaker 1: less effective through the air this time. I mean, I
Speaker 1: thought he threw a terrible interception last week Mahomes, but
Speaker 1: then everyone like freaks out when that happens. It's like
Speaker 1: he's still allowed to do that. And I think they
Speaker 1: can work their way through the mistakes, and I think
Speaker 1: they'll probably look a little different even a month from
Speaker 1: now than they do. I like the Golden Retriever thing.
Speaker 1: The Vikings vibe that way to me. I don't think
Speaker 1: that Bryce Young felt that way when Harrison Smith was
Speaker 1: coming at Hi about one hundred and sixty two miles
Speaker 1: an hour and blew him up three times. Hey, Bryce,
Speaker 1: you know feel it? Well, that's a different guy. They
Speaker 1: don't know. Team in the league blitzes more than the Vikings.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that matters against Mahomes. He's proven
Speaker 1: that time.
Speaker 4: I'd be that against Mahomes. But aggressive, that's who they
Speaker 4: are on the floor.
Speaker 1: So I really do think this defense has a different
Speaker 1: kind of energy to it. They're attacking, this is a
Speaker 1: this is a matchup that doesn't help in that situation.
Speaker 1: It helps against Bryce Young with a terrible offensive line
Speaker 1: and he can't see the it's not so helpful when
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, who I think in the last two years
Speaker 1: has added like he's always he always was a good scrambler,
Speaker 1: but what we've seen in the last last season in
Speaker 1: to start this year, his work on the ground is
Speaker 1: like this whole other level up aspect of Mahomes that
Speaker 1: makes them so dangerous, like especially on third and long,
Speaker 1: especially in the red zone. It's like he's getting better
Speaker 1: really well.
Speaker 5: I don't think they planned on this, it's just been necessary.
Speaker 5: But you're right, he's the most valuable rushing quarterback in
Speaker 5: the league right now according to QBR and I get
Speaker 5: it because every time he runs the ball it's a
Speaker 5: first down and that's part of how they measure it.
Speaker 5: But his yards per game, it's way higher than it's
Speaker 5: ever been. And I know it's against Carolina who's had
Speaker 5: some struggles defensively, but I was really encouraged by the
Speaker 5: way the Vikings blew open holes in the running game.
Speaker 2: Wow, they looked really.
Speaker 5: In sync last week and Madison ran well and Akers
Speaker 5: ran well, and they added some new elements to their
Speaker 5: running game. And I think that's the way you can
Speaker 5: slow down the chief. So if that's consistent, and this
Speaker 5: is a pretty good offense at the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3: I think you got a good We knew that right,
Speaker 3: like we knew this is we know they were going
Speaker 3: to repeat last year running game.
Speaker 5: I was starting to have my doubts in last week.
Speaker 5: They really they I think they were like six seven
Speaker 5: yards per carry.
Speaker 2: They were really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm with you, like the idea that Kansas
Speaker 3: City's defense is way better this year. I'm kind of
Speaker 3: into your theory you've been kind of putting out there
Speaker 3: the last couple weeks.
Speaker 1: Greg. Like defense, it's so much up.
Speaker 3: The dependent and like a quote unquote good defense or
Speaker 3: a well coached defense with skilled players, they're gonna make
Speaker 3: average and bad teams look terrible and then make your
Speaker 3: defense look great. But let's see what the case defense
Speaker 3: looks like against Kirk Cousins when he's locked in and
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson and Madison get loose and these wide receivers
Speaker 3: that are doing things besides Justin Jefferson and t J. Hockinson,
Speaker 3: who's such a great fit for their offense. I love
Speaker 3: this game. Can't wait to watch you guys before we
Speaker 3: move along. Yeah, Hey, Eric, hey, everybody, I'm a done.
Speaker 3: By the way, it's doing good. I was talking to
Speaker 3: you the other day about it. It's the human body
Speaker 3: is pretty crazy. Yeah, it is growing back normal, it's
Speaker 3: but what about the sci fi aspect of.
Speaker 6: Nothing gnarly, nothing too crazy. It's kind of upsetting. I know,
Speaker 6: it feels a little weird.
Speaker 4: Have you caught anybody you know their eyes drifted?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: No, because I mean just based on what it was
Speaker 6: like to start. You saw the picture how yeah they
Speaker 6: look mangled. I mean it just looks like.
Speaker 3: You know how people talk, like when the word was
Speaker 3: trickling through the office that yeah, oh yeah, Eric, you
Speaker 3: know he works with the podcast team. Great guy, you know, sneaky,
Speaker 3: good looking. Yeah, and all this like, uh did you
Speaker 3: see you hear about his stumb? He lost half his hand,
Speaker 3: like you know how the people talk. So have you
Speaker 3: noticed anybody kind of just No, I think news is spread.
Speaker 3: That's like, hey, he doesn't have a nub, so I'm
Speaker 3: not as cool anymore. But before we move along in
Speaker 3: the draft, guy, wait a minute, good check out.
Speaker 1: But if human beings changed, like you're you literally are
Speaker 1: a human where your thumb is growing back, I've never
Speaker 1: heard of this before, Like I did Van Go's ear
Speaker 1: grow back, like there's a lot of examples of like
Speaker 1: losing body parts. They're not like, Oh, then suddenly two
Speaker 1: months later, ears returned, Like I don't I want to
Speaker 1: I need to see it.
Speaker 6: I think I had enough of it remaining to kind
Speaker 6: of just make up for the lack.
Speaker 1: Of casting doubt on Eric's story. I I it's an
Speaker 1: area where I'd like to have an eyewitness, like you.
Speaker 2: Know, I mean I have had some good picture.
Speaker 1: I have a picture I can show you. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: deal with that off.
Speaker 4: I think I think on Bounce and Go chopping off
Speaker 4: his ear was good for his career, and we probably
Speaker 4: don't leg there's no medical follow up.
Speaker 2: He got a lot of pop.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not the worst, not the worst thing for Eric.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think he was in
Speaker 1: a great place when he did that, Mango.
Speaker 4: But that's fine. You're right, it was a nice career move.
Speaker 6: But okay, yeah, before we move on in the draft, guys,
Speaker 6: that's what we're doing. Yes, we do have somebody else
Speaker 6: who wants to weigh in on this. Chief Vikings game.
Speaker 6: Has he come out of the darkness?
Speaker 1: Hello?
Speaker 3: Heroes with the Showman Nick starting us off zero and
Speaker 3: two on the season.
Speaker 1: We decided to guess what, No.
Speaker 4: Eddie, they're not lockable at this point.
Speaker 2: Now back he's sitting over here with his Tom Brady jersey.
Speaker 1: On Ah, I love it. I think this week we'll
Speaker 1: go with the new goat. Here are we going with Mackie?
Speaker 2: The Jeeves, Patrick Mahomes the new goat?
Speaker 1: Lock it up? All right? So Nick cast out, Well,
Speaker 1: big chair, it's a performance related business.
Speaker 5: Wow, Phil and his great son Mackie. We're in a
Speaker 5: fantasy that our kids are in a fantasy league with him.
Speaker 5: And uh wow, Mackie. I think he's only about twelve
Speaker 5: or thirteen. I'm not sure how old Mackie is at
Speaker 5: this point, but he was giving me the business uh
Speaker 5: on text this week, giving me grief, saying he that
Speaker 5: his dad can't pay the rent because of the old
Speaker 5: rain maker.
Speaker 1: Well, we've been warning you about that is a real
Speaker 1: Now let's come now, it's you know, come home to roost.
Speaker 4: Have you thought any more about little bucktooth Susie?
Speaker 5: You know that's He also said, how come Nick got
Speaker 5: a code for NFL Plus and we didn't. I mean,
Speaker 5: he comes with the hard question and we're working on
Speaker 5: everybody looking for handouts these days.
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Speaker 4: The second pick in the draft goes to Mark. All Right,
Speaker 4: you are right.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting landscape and I kind of like it
Speaker 1: because I sometimes reached with my pick and then it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a bad draft pick. Look, it's like it's the.
Speaker 4: Game I want to watch. So what's the other measuring stick?
Speaker 1: Okay, we got it, all right. Anyways, I am going Carolina,
Speaker 1: who are getting ten points in this game against Detroit.
Speaker 1: I'm on.
Speaker 4: I want this Lion's team.
Speaker 1: I told you last week, like I choose when I
Speaker 1: become organically interested in something, and it's not when I'm
Speaker 1: told to. And a year ago I was sort of,
Speaker 1: you know, we're making this thing, and it's like, I
Speaker 1: appreciate it was a logical team of atl pick, but
Speaker 1: I like them now Now I like them and they're
Speaker 1: interesting to me, and I love who they are. They're
Speaker 1: a team to me from another generation on some level.
Speaker 1: Well welcome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's like once actung babyk Okay, I know,
Speaker 5: I know, I know, I know the two of you
Speaker 5: will spin it in a way that you can walk
Speaker 5: around the hallways giggling at.
Speaker 4: But it's like, I literally am just there.
Speaker 1: I like them now because I like them, and I
Speaker 1: love the fact that like they've changed a lot uh
Speaker 1: to me on defense especially. I mean they are a
Speaker 1: team that is allowing sixty yards per game on the ground,
Speaker 1: best in the NFL. That tells me, right there, checkulator Panthers.
Speaker 1: There's no way out for a low octane Panthers offense
Speaker 1: that looked completely lost last week against those Vikings and
Speaker 1: made the Vikings defense look like a monster.
Speaker 4: I mean they punished Bryce Young uh left and right.
Speaker 1: I never thought David Montgomery, I never liked the what
Speaker 1: they did with their with their backfield, to be honest,
Speaker 1: when they got rid of Swift and like the rest
Speaker 1: of the crew, and you bring in Dave Montgomery, who
Speaker 1: I never was as big of a fan of as
Speaker 1: like some of our people in the building here, and
Speaker 1: like he was Hughes used like thirty two times last
Speaker 1: night last week for a twenty one yards, the single
Speaker 1: biggest workload of the season. It works. They can run
Speaker 1: the ball, they got a great offensive line. Jared Goff
Speaker 1: right now is PFF's number three quarterback. I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: I think it's like we talked about it yesterday with
Speaker 1: Nick Chuck and Key Index.
Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing braggy there. That just makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's it's a little it's a little escalated from I
Speaker 1: think who I think the player is, but like you
Speaker 1: got to base it off his actual performance this year,
Speaker 1: and it's like he's always fit in this offense and
Speaker 1: I'm all right with him.
Speaker 5: It's like any Dalton was like number five for them
Speaker 5: last year, which is I think those types of quarterback
Speaker 5: pretty well with PFF. Guys that don't make mistakes and
Speaker 5: they throw.
Speaker 4: Gough doesn't make.
Speaker 1: Gough not did not make mistakes down the stretch last
Speaker 1: year and he's not made and that was sort of
Speaker 1: his calling card. Under pressure, he'd start to see ghosts
Speaker 1: and create chaos. And I just don't see how the
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers right now, Like I watched them last week
Speaker 1: and it's.
Speaker 2: Like the they.
Speaker 1: Seem to be going in the wrong direction, and in fact,
Speaker 1: I think, like, I don't, I know you want to
Speaker 1: I know you want to like grow Bryce Young, I
Speaker 1: be I'm concerned about where Bryce Young is at this point,
Speaker 1: and I think Andy Dalton would give him a better
Speaker 1: chance to win. But that's not what we're doing it.
Speaker 1: Bryce Young on passes of under ten yards has a
Speaker 1: ninety nine point two like rating. Okay, yes, like that's
Speaker 1: what their offenses like a massive amount of their yardage
Speaker 1: and their completions are behind or at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: On throws of ten plus yards, is rating dips to
Speaker 1: twenty five point one. He's struggling downfield. They don't got
Speaker 1: a great cast of weapons, and I just don't see
Speaker 1: how you stop a Detroit team that right now feels
Speaker 1: like they're just a rock rolling downhill.
Speaker 2: I thought that was Bryce Young's best game.
Speaker 5: I did go back to watch that one to see
Speaker 5: on the coach just from just like where's this guy at?
Speaker 2: And look, I don't think they were dominated.
Speaker 5: They had four drives of over ten plays ten eleven,
Speaker 5: fifteen to fifteen, and it just shows how unexplosive they
Speaker 5: are that they're working so hard, like at the end
Speaker 5: of the game, they need to score a touchdown and
Speaker 5: they go on a seven minute drive to get in
Speaker 5: position for it. That ends horribly, where Bryce Young did
Speaker 5: absolutely look like a rookie. But I'm not that worried
Speaker 5: because I think he makes pretty good decisions. He looks
Speaker 5: comfortable in the pocket, and the situation around him is
Speaker 5: so bad that I think that's been a little underrated.
Speaker 5: They are dead last in the NFL and run block
Speaker 5: win rate, maybe the worst running team in the NFL.
Speaker 5: What do you want to give a young quarterback like
Speaker 5: a good running game? They are twenty sixth in uh DVOA.
Speaker 5: In terms of their defense, their defense is terrible, Like
Speaker 5: they're dead last in run defense. As a defense, they
Speaker 5: can't get off the field defensively, and I feel like
Speaker 5: Bryce Young has taken everything and he hasn't looked good.
Speaker 5: But I thought he looked a little better coming off
Speaker 5: the buy where it's like he's come out better than
Speaker 5: some rookie quarterbacks where it's a fiasco. I think this
Speaker 5: is a very tough matchup and it's it's ultimately not
Speaker 5: gonna look good for him, But like, long term, I'm
Speaker 5: not that concerned because the first month of a guy's career.
Speaker 5: It can lie to you, you know, like RG three
Speaker 5: was way ahead of Russell Wilson and maybe even Andrew
Speaker 5: Luck that year.
Speaker 1: All right, so hold on, like just so I don't
Speaker 1: get like a bunch of hot takers coming. I'm not
Speaker 1: ill fading his career. No, I know he's not been impressive.
Speaker 1: I want to point to one drop, and it's the
Speaker 1: whole offense. It's not just on Bryce Young, but day
Speaker 1: at a point where they had seven shots inside the
Speaker 1: eight yard line to generate points and it was a
Speaker 1: hoajpoge of drops, incomplete passes, poorly thrown passes, field goal
Speaker 1: And you're right, it took him a long time to
Speaker 1: get down to.
Speaker 5: That's like, to me, that's partly coach, because I think
Speaker 5: he's showing he can. We've been on We've been on
Speaker 5: the Frank Reich thing like all season. I think this
Speaker 5: is not Frank Reik, who's maybe a little over celebrated.
Speaker 5: Is like what he's going to bring to you out
Speaker 5: of the gate, Like their offense isn't that creative. They're
Speaker 5: not doing a lot with Bryce Young that puts Bryce
Speaker 5: Young in a great place. And you're right, they don't
Speaker 5: have a ground game and they're facing the best run defense.
Speaker 3: Panthers had a real chance in that game last week.
Speaker 3: They were up thirteen to seven inside the Minnesota thirty
Speaker 3: and then Bryce doesn't hold on to the ball, leads
Speaker 3: to the touchdown, and then you know, the vision and
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 1: He's going to learn.
Speaker 3: But Harrison Smith is doing the same thing over and
Speaker 3: over again, and he's just not sensing Harrison Smith is
Speaker 3: coming off the edge flying, and that leads to the
Speaker 3: end of the game. And and but like I also, yeah,
Speaker 3: definitely saw things he does. Maybe this is just a
Speaker 3: me thing, but I don't like small quarterbacks I kind
Speaker 3: of style, and he just feels you know that that
Speaker 3: gets me nervous. But that's also not fair because you know,
Speaker 3: he's been successful his whole life so far. But they
Speaker 3: even said during the telecast, like, hey, this isn't Alabama anymore.
Speaker 3: Like when these guys are flying off the edge, they're
Speaker 3: not just looking to take you down, they're looking to
Speaker 3: take the ball away. So he's learning, and maybe he's
Speaker 3: not at at the level where maybe CJ. Stroud is
Speaker 3: right now, or maybe it's more a situation than set up.
Speaker 3: But overall, yes, I thought there was progress last week,
Speaker 3: and I don't think he's by any means like a mate, like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, is this a Zach Wilson situation.
Speaker 1: Lance like I'm not there with him.
Speaker 3: But I think maybe he's he's suffering a little bit
Speaker 3: because the other young quarterbacks taken around him are doing
Speaker 3: well and jumping out early.
Speaker 1: On to works. But also, I mean, i'd say they're
Speaker 1: not in that game. They were in that game because
Speaker 1: of the offense. They're in that game because of a
Speaker 1: ninety nine yard pick six on Kirk Cousins and other
Speaker 1: various writings gaffs the payment a position to score.
Speaker 5: And partly because they just kept the ball for so long,
Speaker 5: which is like that, That's what I mean, where he
Speaker 5: he's not going to wow you, and he's he's not
Speaker 5: there yet and it's meant to right. This is a
Speaker 5: spot where like the Lions are out of the lock zone.
Speaker 5: What a world we're living in. That's got to be
Speaker 5: a first in the history is NFL. It's ten points.
Speaker 5: And the one thing I didn't I wish I had
Speaker 5: hit when I did the TNF freak up with with
Speaker 5: JP Acostu did a great deal was just man, the
Speaker 5: way this Lions team has looked and the way Branch
Speaker 5: fro Laporta specifically, we're just fantastic have come out of
Speaker 5: the gates, and I think it's okay to raise your expectations.
Speaker 5: Are ready for Lions fans. Lions fans were there, but
Speaker 5: we're now looking at them. It's like, it's okay to
Speaker 5: see this team and say they're like a top seven
Speaker 5: or eight team in the NFL etender. They can reasonably
Speaker 5: expect that, Like, we have a great chance to not
Speaker 5: just make the playoffs it's been a while, but to
Speaker 5: win a playoff game and to compete in the NFC,
Speaker 5: and man, even just winning a playoff game. I was
Speaker 5: talking to Cynthia Freeland, our friend Lines fan, like she
Speaker 5: was like, I think that would make me cry. I
Speaker 5: don't even need to get to a super Bowl if
Speaker 5: they win a playoff game. And I'm expecting them at
Speaker 5: this point to be at home and have a playoff
Speaker 5: game because I think they're gonna win their division and
Speaker 5: and maybe we favored in that game and win that
Speaker 5: game and who knows after that.
Speaker 2: It's wild.
Speaker 1: I would say, Dan, you get this as a Jets
Speaker 1: fans when the Browns beat the Steelers, like, yeah, they
Speaker 1: went on and was like just house money at that point,
Speaker 1: like to see them win that playoff game you were waiting.
Speaker 1: I understand where Cynthia is coming from. Brian Branch though
Speaker 1: did not practice Wednesday. I just read that. I'm on
Speaker 1: Rossain Brown did not practice today on Thursday. Josh Reynolds
Speaker 1: is banged up, so it's not them at their full compliment.
Speaker 4: Unsolicited advice.
Speaker 3: You're a good enough team where if you're going to
Speaker 3: rest some guys Branch limping all over the field last
Speaker 3: Thursday night, take care of business against the Panthers and
Speaker 3: and if you have to rest a couple guys, do that.
Speaker 3: I feel that commident about Detroit right now because I
Speaker 3: don't think this has been like out of nowhere, like
Speaker 3: the defense. The thing I really love about what the
Speaker 3: lines have done, and they've surprised me. And I think
Speaker 3: you mentioned the Jets and you mentioned the Browns before
Speaker 3: the season, I kind of was lumping the Lions and
Speaker 3: as these sad sack franchises that get their fan bases
Speaker 3: hopes up with a good close to a season and
Speaker 3: then they fall in their face a little bit when
Speaker 3: when the actual expectations go up. Instead, what Dan Campbell
Speaker 3: and the rest of this team have done, They've leveled
Speaker 3: up and they all the growth at the end of
Speaker 3: last season has now gone to the next level in
Speaker 3: this season. And that's the sign of a team that
Speaker 3: is really becoming a potential. Yeah, as you said, real
Speaker 3: deal can tender.
Speaker 4: And Jamison Williams Beck We'll see what happens with him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounded like he might not even play him
Speaker 5: because not much least injury.
Speaker 2: We'll see.
Speaker 3: I've it might be premature, but I've already reached a
Speaker 3: stage where like, we'll see what he gives them.
Speaker 5: It's been a weird career. Greg, You're up third pick,
Speaker 5: all right, I am going to take a late game.
Speaker 5: I'm going to take Eagles coming across the street to
Speaker 5: the Rams. Eagles favored by four and a half. We
Speaker 5: got the Fox A team, Kevin Burke, r Greg Olsen,
Speaker 5: Rinaldi's in the house on a four oh five game.
Speaker 2: He's that too often.
Speaker 4: You check out that commercial he's playing against type that
Speaker 4: show's rain. I know he's there. You talk about Thespians
Speaker 4: that also just double his reporters.
Speaker 1: That's him.
Speaker 5: It's like he usually Aaron Andrews doesn't even know what
Speaker 5: a four. She's never had a four h five game
Speaker 5: before this. This is different.
Speaker 3: But I feel like this was the either the first
Speaker 3: or second pick, but not a reach mark. You do
Speaker 3: what makes you happy?
Speaker 2: I uh, I love this game? This Uh what.
Speaker 1: Did you take?
Speaker 4: I was gonna take this game if I didn't take mine.
Speaker 4: I like I will I I liked your strategy.
Speaker 1: I like to pick a couple of games that I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see as the week goes forward, and this
Speaker 1: this would fill Plus I can see it out the window.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll be a great, great shot of like Eagles fans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be a Loing beer going Number one fans.
Speaker 5: It'll be a lot of Eagles. Look, this is a
Speaker 5: great test for both teams. I actually think it's a
Speaker 5: great test for the Eagles defense, which has been a
Speaker 5: little disappointment, little disappointed, But I think starting with the Rams,
Speaker 5: it's just a great test of this offensive line, which
Speaker 5: has been a pleasant surprise in what they did last week.
Speaker 5: In the run game and the way that it's not
Speaker 5: that wide zone team anymore. They're more of a power
Speaker 5: running scheme now, and it's you're starting to see dividends
Speaker 5: and then an even bigger test of this defensive line
Speaker 5: than this defense, which is held up just well enough
Speaker 5: to let the offense look great. Because this Eagles offensive line,
Speaker 5: and really both their lines week after week seemed to
Speaker 5: be gaining momentum, and their offense played fantastic last week,
Speaker 5: and you just I just have a hard time seeing
Speaker 5: that this Rams defense can slow them down. And so
Speaker 5: when Cooper Cup potentially returns for this game, we don't know,
Speaker 5: but he did practice, according to McVeigh fully, even though
Speaker 5: they listed him as limited, they said he was doing everything.
Speaker 5: Is the Rams offense good enough? Because I really love
Speaker 5: this Rams offense. Is it good enough with Cup to
Speaker 5: keep up in a total shootout? And I think they
Speaker 5: could as long as that hip isn't a problem with Stafford.
Speaker 5: I think this game could be in the thirties And
Speaker 5: then I'm loving life at four.
Speaker 1: This is why like like so Jordan Rodrigue wrote like
Speaker 1: this awesome article about the fact that Sean McVay, who
Speaker 1: was you know, married to wide Zone forever like has
Speaker 1: changed the round game entirely to this gap scheme, and
Speaker 1: they lead the league and gaps scheme run usage and
Speaker 1: It's like that is just another like bullet point of
Speaker 1: like why this RAMS team, which I had some Rams exhaustion.
Speaker 1: We live in LA. It's in your face all the
Speaker 1: time for a long period of time. It's like the
Speaker 1: status is.
Speaker 5: I mean you were exhausted before, not really very much,
Speaker 5: not in our actually hasn't been post super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But when they arrived, like and we were in Culver City,
Speaker 1: yes it was. I think some of us were well
Speaker 1: more we wanted to welcome it more than others. I
Speaker 1: was a little resistant this. Sean McVay though, like is
Speaker 1: doing the coaching job of the year right now. It's
Speaker 1: like I kind of think the team is like they're
Speaker 1: not they're rebuilding, but like they're here today and and
Speaker 1: I think this is like an incredible test because if
Speaker 1: you Cooper cup back and I think the stafford hip thing,
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're worried about a calf injury, like
Speaker 1: a hip injury could heat up at some point, and
Speaker 1: like he couldn't walk after that thing, really after last
Speaker 1: week's sea.
Speaker 5: He says he'll be fine, but he's talking about like
Speaker 5: adrenaline will get me through.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I don't like hearing that.
Speaker 1: That's I don't like that.
Speaker 3: I have major concerns about any professional athlete dealing with
Speaker 3: the hip injury, and older quarterback dealing with the hip injury.
Speaker 3: Guy's not mobile as it is, so you're gonna potentially
Speaker 3: have a situation where that could be aggravated easily. So
Speaker 3: I have concerns about that. I love everything else about
Speaker 3: the Rams, I agree. I think Sean McVay right now
Speaker 3: is the Coach of the Year front runner. It's very early.
Speaker 3: Greg doesn't like talking about awards this early, but I do.
Speaker 4: Because of what he's been able to do here building
Speaker 4: this team on the fly. And that's from DFF DAN
Speaker 4: Football Focus.
Speaker 1: Sure, I like, do you check that you pay a
Speaker 1: premium for that?
Speaker 3: I think we get a free account as thirty nine
Speaker 3: ninety nine a week. I charge It's I do terrible business.
Speaker 3: It doesn't do anything. But yeah, like and all this talk,
Speaker 3: remember all the talk.
Speaker 4: I know that they're not gangbusters, but remember all the
Speaker 4: talk about like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: This Los Angeles defense, right, they don't have anybody. They
Speaker 3: got Aaron Donald a bunch of guys. So the fact
Speaker 3: that they've been able to be competitive week in and
Speaker 3: week out, and the offense has been very good, and
Speaker 3: now you have one of the top five receivers in
Speaker 3: the league. Hopefully that hamstring is right and they're playing
Speaker 3: this the right way. Love the game, hate the hip injury,
Speaker 3: and I just hope it's not something that's going to
Speaker 3: ruin their season.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they came into this year. We talked about the
Speaker 5: thirty draft picks that they had or whatever. They have
Speaker 5: the thirty rookies because they have twenty undrafted guys and
Speaker 5: you think of who they're getting out of this class
Speaker 5: right now. Everyone knows Pukinakua, you know, one of the
Speaker 5: Rookie of the Year candidates. But they've got a guy
Speaker 5: in Steve Avila at guard that I think they believe
Speaker 5: is a future pro bowler who's already a plus starter.
Speaker 2: And then they have two starters on defense.
Speaker 5: In Kobe what is his name, Kobe Turner who's playing solid,
Speaker 5: and then our Dresser and Byron Young. That's four starters.
Speaker 5: That's a big time rookie class. And they're going against
Speaker 5: the Eagles, who got a lot of attention for their
Speaker 5: rookies and the way Jalen Carter's playing like these are
Speaker 5: rookies that have stepped in and kind of looked like
Speaker 5: Pro bowlers right off the bat, which which is just wild.
Speaker 5: The Eagles got to clean up their red zone though
Speaker 5: they're one of the worst teams in the league surprisingly
Speaker 5: in the red zone on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4: I think that will clean. That's the kind of thing
Speaker 4: that I just think.
Speaker 1: I do think the new coordinator thing has helped, like
Speaker 1: or has had an impact. I mean they think they don't,
Speaker 1: ye right. I think we're finding out like how special
Speaker 1: stiking was. And it's kind of like when Frank Reich
Speaker 1: left the Eagles, and it's like, is it was Frank
Speaker 1: Reich kind of the the BRAINI act behind all this.
Speaker 1: It's like I think it's a group thing, but like
Speaker 1: Stikeen's loss affects them a lot. The one thing though,
Speaker 1: like when they've had these issues through their air and
Speaker 1: aj Brown blew up last week, but the ground game
Speaker 1: has been insane, and like I think that's the thing
Speaker 1: for the Rams. Like I look back at that Eagles
Speaker 1: drive after the Commanders went down the field of at
Speaker 1: fourteen play March last week and the Eagles come back
Speaker 1: tied up at seven seven, But that DeAndre Swift touchdown,
Speaker 1: there is not there's no one near him. He blasted
Speaker 1: at the end zone and there's like eight there's eight
Speaker 1: yards between him and anyone else. It's like they're better
Speaker 1: at that than anyone in the league. They have more
Speaker 1: yards to rush before contact than anyone else, And it's
Speaker 1: like where does that stat come from? Like wide open
Speaker 1: gaps before someone in a second layer is finally touching you.
Speaker 4: Last week, the storyline that people were trying to push
Speaker 4: is what's wrong with the Eagles passing game?
Speaker 3: Then they threw the ball over the yard and now
Speaker 3: it's like the Eagles four and oh but okay, I'm
Speaker 3: just not interested and we've been doing it.
Speaker 5: Like that's okay to multiple things can be true. They
Speaker 5: were a mediocre path, but like.
Speaker 3: What, why are we nitpicking with this team? They're a
Speaker 3: juggernaut there. Maybe they're figuring some things out early, but
Speaker 3: there are so many other teams with much larger pressing issues.
Speaker 1: The Eagles are just taking care of their business.
Speaker 4: They were just so perfect during the regular season last
Speaker 4: year that it's like.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's what it is, right, but I just can't
Speaker 3: be convinced to get worried.
Speaker 1: They're just too talented.
Speaker 4: Don't spend your time DFF doesn't on that road, would
Speaker 4: I would?
Speaker 1: We don't?
Speaker 5: All right, Greg, all right, I'm going to take the
Speaker 5: Houston Texans at the Atlanta Falcons. Falcons favored by two
Speaker 5: at home.
Speaker 4: Wow. I mean that's a lot of respect.
Speaker 2: These teams aren't that close to.
Speaker 3: Me, A lot of respect for a team that maybe
Speaker 3: hasn't earned such things.
Speaker 4: I mean two points at home, though, is telling you,
Speaker 4: we're saying we don't get you.
Speaker 5: Okay, And I teased this on Monday, meant to bring
Speaker 5: it up yesterday, But I mean, this Texans team, at
Speaker 5: what point do we gotta talk about them as like
Speaker 5: a real team now? Maybe even a team of atl
Speaker 5: because whoa Hey, when I got home last Sunday night,
Speaker 5: and I was thinking, if I feel like it, I'll
Speaker 5: watch the games when I get home. Sometimes they don't.
Speaker 5: Whatever felt like it? Which team did I want to
Speaker 5: go watch?
Speaker 4: Wait, let me just picture. Greg draws a bubble bath,
Speaker 4: lights some candles.
Speaker 5: Well this, actually, I'm glad you mentioned that guy. That
Speaker 5: all reminds me of our friend Chris Westling, who's a
Speaker 5: big chick parm hero. He he loved to watch in
Speaker 5: a bath. He would talk about it quite a bit
Speaker 5: that was buried in my yeah. And he was the
Speaker 5: one that this was his big test of like what
Speaker 5: team is exciting him the most? Which team does he
Speaker 5: want to watch? Sunday night and Nick Westling and it
Speaker 5: just says that I had had these thoughts of like,
Speaker 5: which team do I want to watch?
Speaker 4: I want to watch c J.
Speaker 2: Stroud and Nico Collins. I want to see what's going
Speaker 2: on with them. I want to see them. I want
Speaker 2: to see them destroy a Steelers team.
Speaker 4: Your family's like, haven't seen you in fourteen hours? Have
Speaker 4: a nice bath.
Speaker 2: They're asleep. They're asleep. I mean, well, I'mica's not but
Speaker 2: she she's not interested.
Speaker 4: Happens one of the bathroomstairs.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Nick that night or maybe it was the next night,
Speaker 5: texted me the first the first team I want to
Speaker 5: watch right now is c J. Stroud And I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: is this a sign signed from I don't know where
Speaker 5: that like, that's the first team he wants to watch.
Speaker 2: And it's not just c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud.
Speaker 5: First of all, sixty nine to twenty three over the
Speaker 5: last two weeks against two good enough teams. Those are
Speaker 5: two more blowouts. I looked it up at two seventeen
Speaker 5: plus point blowouts you row for, that's not easy to do.
Speaker 5: For instance, the Minnesota Vikings have not won a single game.
Speaker 5: Pretty good team, they're big dumb dame in four years though,
Speaker 5: four years? Like, how many games have the Jets won
Speaker 5: by twenty points in the last handful of years?
Speaker 4: There aren't that many French weird example, Yeah, but my
Speaker 4: point is it's a different example once, just one.
Speaker 5: Well, the Vikings I think are a good one because
Speaker 5: they've been there.
Speaker 2: They've been winning a lot of games.
Speaker 5: It's not easy to blow teams out, like this team
Speaker 5: might just be good. And when I look at Nico
Speaker 5: Collins especially, I want to highlight him, like I was
Speaker 5: not familiar with your work, young man. I mean, I
Speaker 5: did not know that he was a true one. He
Speaker 5: is a six foot four giant that makes people miss
Speaker 5: in open space. You don't those guys who are like
Speaker 5: kind of the tall, thin profile, like an AJ Green type,
Speaker 5: they usually don't move that well in the open field.
Speaker 5: He is a true one, and you've got a true
Speaker 5: great quarterback. I'm into this team. They're gonna win this game,
Speaker 5: by the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's funny because you're like, when is it time
Speaker 3: to take them for real or whatever. And it's like
Speaker 3: I was looking for, you know, at home against the Niners,
Speaker 3: like some type of like real fun game.
Speaker 1: The Bills.
Speaker 3: On the schedule, they have at Atlanta home, Saints at
Speaker 3: Carolina home, Bucks at Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: Okay, maybe maybe, but we don't even know anymore. Home
Speaker 4: Arizona home, Jaguars home Broncos, got Jets, the schedule at
Speaker 4: Tennessee home the South team Cleveland.
Speaker 5: They all play each other in both conferences. The schedules
Speaker 5: are preposterously.
Speaker 1: This is setting up.
Speaker 4: It's like a nine game carpet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is setting up if if Stroud
Speaker 3: continues to build on this as yeah, one of the
Speaker 3: biggest surprise in the league and a double digit win team,
Speaker 3: they're getting way ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 4: But it's look at the schedule and look at the.
Speaker 1: Progress that we've seen in the first four weeks.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's flukey. I think there's some things
Speaker 4: happening here.
Speaker 1: And it starts with the coaching staff that's like really
Speaker 1: well picked and works well with the players here. Denico
Speaker 1: Ryan's like, I mean, I always kind of felt from
Speaker 1: the beginning like they finally found their guy after like
Speaker 1: two years of one and done chaos. They put it
Speaker 1: on the Jaguars three hundred and sixty six yards the
Speaker 1: week before three hundred and eighty nine on a pretty
Speaker 1: good Colts defense that I like parts of four hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty one yards against the Steelers. And they haven't
Speaker 1: been running the ball that well, and they've had a
Speaker 1: ton of offensive line injuries and I think part of
Speaker 1: the Bobby Slowick situation is that. And you see this
Speaker 1: in the it's a Shanahan guy. I know that gets tiresome,
Speaker 1: but it's like, you work with offensive line deficiencies and
Speaker 1: they have used those pass protection issues and turned around
Speaker 1: and add absolutely like a flood of screens and quick
Speaker 1: release passes that like mitigate that and put their rookie
Speaker 1: quarterback unlike the one we just talked about in a
Speaker 1: good situation.
Speaker 2: They got that run game going last week. Finally they do.
Speaker 1: Here's the one thing in this game, though I think
Speaker 1: they're not perfect. They are thirtieth in the league in
Speaker 1: run defense. By some Mesags are the worst run defense
Speaker 1: in the league. So if you're the Falcons, and the
Speaker 1: Falcons to me are backed up against a wall, they
Speaker 1: can only do one thing well. But if they're gonna
Speaker 1: do it well, you do it well this week. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know where I was a month ago
Speaker 1: with the Falcons. Like this to me, is Arthur Smith's
Speaker 1: kind of like, are you going to acknowledge what we
Speaker 1: all see?
Speaker 4: We talked about this on Sunday Night?
Speaker 1: Is this like another situation where Arthur Smith is kind
Speaker 1: of like George Bush saying like mission accomplished, Like well
Speaker 1: to go, way to go, Brownie, Or it's like, can we.
Speaker 4: Acknowledge that there's more work to do here?
Speaker 1: And if you want this team that has a good
Speaker 1: roster of a chance, if Ritter is, you know, absolutely
Speaker 1: melting again, You've got Taylor heineke.
Speaker 2: Kis and he goes way to go, Brownie. It's just
Speaker 2: like a great great riff.
Speaker 3: It's funny that you brought up GW because I actually
Speaker 3: think about not GW on the aircraft carrier.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When I think of Arthur Smith and where he's at
Speaker 3: right now, I think of GW in the elementary school
Speaker 3: classroom and somebody that's dark and getting his ear and
Speaker 3: telling him something that he needs to react to, and
Speaker 3: instead of acting, he's sitting.
Speaker 4: Reading a children's people.
Speaker 3: He's ruminating and he's wondering what he should do when
Speaker 3: it's very apparent he needs to do something. But he's
Speaker 3: deciding to stick with his quarterback for now, and we'll
Speaker 3: see if that pays off and it makes him look
Speaker 3: smart and.
Speaker 5: Or again against you know a very famous famous Texans
Speaker 5: you know fan, George HW.
Speaker 4: Bush and you so right now you have Arthur Smith.
Speaker 1: You have Arthur Smith reading the pet goat to his
Speaker 1: team here on Thursdays to prepare for the.
Speaker 5: Lot of George Bush content fun two and two game.
Speaker 5: But yes, I was feeling the Falcons coming into the year.
Speaker 5: You never know what's going to happen, and I guess,
Speaker 5: I guess stick a pin in it. But I'm I'm
Speaker 5: thinking about the Texans here movie.
Speaker 3: Just I think I have a nominee as well that
Speaker 3: I feel very good about and that could be something
Speaker 3: that we tee up for down the road. Let's take
Speaker 3: a break and then we will continue with the draft.
Speaker 3: All right, back to the draft, and we have, yes,
Speaker 3: a trade. You may recall barely from last week.
Speaker 4: We struggled to call the terms, but we.
Speaker 3: Can't cof It took about ten minutes to work out
Speaker 3: the logistics of it before we started, but we did.
Speaker 3: And yes I have Mark's second pick as a result
Speaker 3: of the trade from last week. And with that pick
Speaker 3: sliding into mark spot, we essentially flip Mark. So I
Speaker 3: jump ahead of you one spot, and with that jump,
Speaker 3: I will take the Baltimore Ravens at Pittsburgh Steelers A
Speaker 3: you know, listen, I mean, come on now, Steelers, what
Speaker 3: are we doing?
Speaker 1: Where are we at?
Speaker 2: We're not playing football?
Speaker 3: Well, we are not protecting the quarterback. We are not
Speaker 3: calling a particularly aggressive scheme of offense. Our young quarterback
Speaker 3: is not playing with any sense of confidence and belief
Speaker 3: in self. They have playmakers, but I'm not seeing plays
Speaker 3: being made. The defense has showed up some weeks and
Speaker 3: then other weeks like last week against the off war
Speaker 3: mentioned Houston Texans, really show it much at all. And
Speaker 3: the Texans did what they wanted with CJ. Stroud using
Speaker 3: his precision passing and Nico Collins jumping off the screen.
Speaker 4: And it was just you know, bad, bad, bad bad.
Speaker 3: And yet with the Ravens come to town, I feel
Speaker 3: like if there is a kind of circle the wagon
Speaker 3: situation with the Pittsburgh Steelers, a proud organization, a well coach,
Speaker 3: team over overall, you can get on Matt Canada and
Speaker 3: I wonder how patient if if Mike Tomlin truly believes
Speaker 3: in the Steelers team as a team he thinks should
Speaker 3: be taking the next step this year, which I imagine
Speaker 3: he does, does Canada get a free pass it this
Speaker 3: year or could a change come if this continues.
Speaker 4: Here's their scoring by week.
Speaker 3: By the way, they had seven points Week one, the
Speaker 3: Browns twenty six, but there was some defensive scoring in
Speaker 3: that game, as I recall against Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'd have to go that up and yeah, they
Speaker 1: were not great on offense in that game.
Speaker 3: I believe TJ had a return in that game the Raiders,
Speaker 3: they scored twenty three in a win. They score six
Speaker 3: and a loss to the Texans, and now they need
Speaker 3: to do something on offense. This is such an important
Speaker 3: week for the two and two Steelers against the Ravens,
Speaker 3: who looks very good with Lamar Jackson doing his thing
Speaker 3: against Cleveland last week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of those matchups.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying throw out the records, but to your point,
Speaker 5: it's a division matchup where Mike Tomlins actually had a
Speaker 5: better beat on stopping Lamar than just about any defensive
Speaker 5: coach in the league. They've generally done well, they've generally won,
Speaker 5: and they've generally limited Lamar Jackson compared to other opponents. Now,
Speaker 5: the Baltimore running game now isn't just Lamar. It's really
Speaker 5: good with Lamar in the red zone, especially like they're
Speaker 5: getting him holes to run in for touchdowns. But they're
Speaker 5: picking and choosing. It's the rest of the running game
Speaker 5: that's really been in impressive to me. They're throwing a
Speaker 5: lot of different things out there, considering that they've had
Speaker 5: so many injuries, and it sounds like they could get
Speaker 5: Ronnie Stanley back this week, but now they're right tackle
Speaker 5: of Morgan Moses might be out. Gus Edwards was back
Speaker 5: last week. I think he looks good like it doesn't
Speaker 5: matter who's been back there. Their running game can throw
Speaker 5: a lot at you, and when Lamar is the quarterback,
Speaker 5: it just gives you so many things to prepare for.
Speaker 5: And I loved what I saw to Mark Andrews too,
Speaker 5: so I think they're coming together. Mark Andrews didn't seem
Speaker 5: one hundred percent at the beginning season. You're seeing a
Speaker 5: more complete Ravens offense and that's gonna be a lot
Speaker 5: for Tomlin in this defense to deal with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, the Ravens largely were helped and coasted
Speaker 1: because Dorian Thompson Robinson was not ready to play professional
Speaker 1: football a week ago. But what impressed me about them
Speaker 1: was how they started to heat up against a Cleveland
Speaker 1: defense we were, you know, correctly calling like a top
Speaker 1: five defense. It's not top three. In the days prior,
Speaker 1: I saw, like Melvin Gordon a big run, Like.
Speaker 5: That's what I mean, right when when Melvin Gordon's popped
Speaker 5: off twenty, that's good, that's a good A.
Speaker 1: Play got called back.
Speaker 3: But Justice Hill was shifty as hell yep on like
Speaker 3: a fifty yard screenplay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're doing some things in that game.
Speaker 4: They are.
Speaker 1: And it's like, so, you know, here's the one thing
Speaker 1: I look at the AFC North and I kind of
Speaker 1: think like we're getting from the AFC South in terms
Speaker 1: of like results and thriving and surprise teams and interesting
Speaker 1: teams what we thought would get from the North. And
Speaker 1: right now the Ravens are set up really well, like
Speaker 1: this is a pivotal game. You've beaten both Ohio teams
Speaker 1: in your division. The Steelers have a quarterback that's banged
Speaker 1: up and by the way, just not playing well. We
Speaker 1: all get that. Joe Burrow's CAF tod go in a moment,
Speaker 1: and I think Lamar Jackson in this offense are starting
Speaker 1: to find themselves. It's like I had a lot of
Speaker 1: questions about Todd Monkin in general, Like it's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that's a wizard. We have a lot of
Speaker 1: like evidence he's going to come in and change everything.
Speaker 1: But they right now lead the league in like red
Speaker 1: zone touchdown rate, which is a problem for them at
Speaker 1: other times in the previous offense. Jackson is completing eighty
Speaker 1: percent of his red zone passes. So they're getting down
Speaker 1: there and they're scoring, and like I like that about him.
Speaker 1: They're running the ball better. Odell Beckham return to practice Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Rashad Bateman returned to practice Wednesday. Marlon Humphrey returned to
Speaker 1: practice Wednesday. So I also look at a team that,
Speaker 1: like for three years in a row. I know Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson's injury killed them two seasons running, but outside of that,
Speaker 1: like they deal with injuries as well as any team
Speaker 1: in the AFC, they find a way around it.
Speaker 5: And the Steelers are quite banged up for this game.
Speaker 5: They're going into the bye. We should mention, you know,
Speaker 5: we last talked about the Steelers Monday night. We thought
Speaker 5: Picket was gonna be out at least this week. And
Speaker 5: he's practicing and he's saying he's playing, So that's I
Speaker 5: don't think that's good. I think I think Mitch Trubisky
Speaker 5: would be an upgrade Piket.
Speaker 4: That's why I have the question mark, right, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean I have to answer your question. And they're gonna
Speaker 2: be short.
Speaker 5: Pat Fryarmouth is not expected to play, who's been consistent
Speaker 5: for them, and a few of their offensive linemen A
Speaker 5: Corps four Uh and James Daniels are out of practice
Speaker 5: and it looks like they'll make that switch. At left tackle,
Speaker 5: Dan Moore is hurt, although they have their first round
Speaker 5: pick to insert there, which a lot of fans have
Speaker 5: been wanting. He's just he does not look comfortable and
Speaker 5: the Ravens defense throws a lot at you. Rokwan Smith
Speaker 5: to me is an all pro right now. He would
Speaker 5: be my my all Pro linebacker. He to me, has been,
Speaker 5: you know, beyond behind Lamar the MVP of that team.
Speaker 5: Every week he is really making great.
Speaker 1: And I don't.
Speaker 4: I've seen it before.
Speaker 3: I don't enjoy watching it, but I understand how it happens,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't make it any fun to watch when
Speaker 3: you could tell when the struggling young quarterback does not
Speaker 3: have the trust of his offensive coordinator, and the offensive
Speaker 3: coordinator then changes the game plan and everything is underneath,
Speaker 3: everything is short. They're not they're not pushing the ball
Speaker 3: downfield because they're trying not to make mistakes. And that's
Speaker 3: that's what I felt like I was watching yesterday last
Speaker 3: week against Houston with Pittsburgh and Canada is in a
Speaker 3: tough spot because I think he's he's he believes it.
Speaker 3: Pikett might not be seeing the field wall or he
Speaker 3: doesn't because of the pass rush. It's causing them to
Speaker 3: have to work in a way. Maybe that's not conductive
Speaker 3: to the way the roster is built. But none of
Speaker 3: it is fun to watch. That's the other thing of it.
Speaker 3: They've been a slog on offense.
Speaker 1: You know what throws me a little bit because it's
Speaker 1: like I wonder sometimes with these quarterbacks when you come
Speaker 1: in as a rookie, because I can think of like
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield in twenty eighteen with what he did that
Speaker 1: lone isolated group of games, Like, I thought we had
Speaker 1: the next Russell Wilson. I thought he was gonna be
Speaker 1: a star. He looked fantastic, but then like they change
Speaker 1: offenses and he fell off a cliff in the whole offense. Actly, yeah,
Speaker 1: but Mack, but mac Jones walked into chaos in year two.
Speaker 1: But that's you're right, like you changed things, but this
Speaker 1: is the same coordinator. And I thought Pickett, like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's not a physical like dominating specimen, but he did
Speaker 1: things well and he Kate had a kN act to
Speaker 1: come back in games, and this year, like it's completely opposite.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because it's I think Canada, like it's
Speaker 1: easy just to pick on him week after week. But
Speaker 1: he actually like got very angry at the CBS broadcast
Speaker 1: Spirit right, because they took a quote from him in
Speaker 1: a conversation that basically sort of suggested that Canada said,
Speaker 1: we are not an offense that's built to come back,
Speaker 1: and what he was actually talking about, and by the way,
Speaker 1: that seems true.
Speaker 4: So that's the problem. It's like there's evidence there.
Speaker 1: But he was talking about the late in the Niners
Speaker 1: game that they weren't built to come back in that
Speaker 1: game the way that that was. But that said, like
Speaker 1: Canada is under so much fire, and I think like,
Speaker 1: like this is the I've always feel like, no matter
Speaker 1: what happens in Pittsburgh, Tomlin's gonna get them out of there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna win nine games and there's gonna be hope
Speaker 1: for next season. It's like, this is your argument to
Speaker 1: just ignore the preseason because I got sold down a
Speaker 1: river on this and it looked I look like a rude.
Speaker 4: But there's a bunch of people on the same raft
Speaker 4: with me.
Speaker 2: You guys want to hear my Spiroudidas impression I've never tried.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm just yes, sure, Clowney in the backfield and
Speaker 5: he's buried.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. That's pretty good. I liked it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think all play by play people came from like
Speaker 1: a certain planet somewhere, Like don't they all sort of
Speaker 1: like you know.
Speaker 4: What a name on that didas huh cloudy way.
Speaker 5: I just checked the PFF ranks. You don't want to
Speaker 5: hear this. Who's top ten impressors this year? It's Jadebian Clowny,
Speaker 5: nice little pick up by the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Nice little.
Speaker 3: I predicted that having a nice set off, get off
Speaker 3: my steps. I said he would go there and they
Speaker 3: would find a way to finally unlock him after years
Speaker 3: of disappointment.
Speaker 1: He's also a bad teammate. Oh stop, I have have
Speaker 1: your fun. What he is? He quit on his list?
Speaker 5: Well last team they weren't happy with him, but he
Speaker 5: had a nice game against him last week, just saying.
Speaker 3: Wow, are you saying that he's had a pro career
Speaker 3: that's lived up to expectations?
Speaker 4: No, he's touted as like Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 5: No, I always he's always been a good starter, Like
Speaker 5: he's he's actually better than the average number one overall pick.
Speaker 5: That would be my take, fairly but better.
Speaker 3: And ten years have one season where you have ten
Speaker 3: sacks to be hyped up as.
Speaker 1: A hall and also you walked out on I know,
Speaker 1: I know, and it's like, oh, it's like now you're
Speaker 1: with walked out on your came from my Wait til buried,
Speaker 1: wait till things start to go wrong, then we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens with.
Speaker 3: See the I kind of got sucked in there because
Speaker 3: oh Greg's going a little off playbook with an impression. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but then it dovetailed into like Greg dragging us into
Speaker 3: this Vartex, this clowny wartex.
Speaker 4: He's smart that way.
Speaker 3: So now I feel like I wish I didn't hear
Speaker 3: the impression. And it was the thing I was so
Speaker 3: excited about. Let's try to get the show back because
Speaker 3: now it's gone, but it's not over. Mark, You're up.
Speaker 3: This was we flipped picks based on last week's blockbuster
Speaker 3: trade and so it's your pick.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, can I just one real quick thing. I think
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh wins. How about that.
Speaker 3: I've been I've been watching these Tumbelin teams forever, and
Speaker 3: I predict a monster defensive effort. I don't know about
Speaker 3: this offense, but TJ Watt getting after it, having a
Speaker 3: huge game and making a play that changes.
Speaker 5: And if they did, they'd be tied for the division lead.
Speaker 5: If they don't weird this way behind and that Steelers
Speaker 5: or the Ravens would have a three in a record.
Speaker 5: They are four and a half point underdogs the Steelers
Speaker 5: at home. So if if Dan, if Dan was right,
Speaker 5: could really could really make some rain.
Speaker 4: Well that's not my territory, and based on last.
Speaker 2: I'm taking the Ravens.
Speaker 3: I'm taking the Rave Clear Sky all right, wait wait, wait, Mark, Wait, nope,
Speaker 3: I had nothing else to add.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, but.
Speaker 1: Look on your face. I thought I had something. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I did have something? What you think?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm glad you didn't do it. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go.
Speaker 1: I want to see, uh the team that last week
Speaker 1: everyone is down on and like they didn't live up
Speaker 1: to the test. Can they come back? Can they show
Speaker 1: us who they really are after a beating in their
Speaker 1: own division? The Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 4: Oh it's another Mark cessil. Let me pick the blowouts week.
Speaker 1: Giving up eleven to the Giants. Well, that's what you
Speaker 1: know what, that's what I love about it.
Speaker 2: I got a bird catch to London. I want only blowouts.
Speaker 4: Everyone assumes it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do what I think I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I did four games last week. I I you know,
Speaker 1: I did everything you said I couldn't do.
Speaker 4: Here's your purple heart.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I do.
Speaker 4: I honestly want to see how they bounce back.
Speaker 1: I think this obviously is what to tell you much
Speaker 1: because the Giants have been maybe the worst. I guess
Speaker 1: I'm more thinking that, like to your Steelers Ravens thing
Speaker 1: Steelers have looked like a massive disaster.
Speaker 4: Doesn't see a lot of hope.
Speaker 1: The Giants have been a mega disaster and embarrassment, like
Speaker 1: a team that went to the playoffs, and it's like,
Speaker 1: was that actually just the biggest mirage we've ever been
Speaker 1: witnessed to in the last five years of the NFL seasons?
Speaker 1: And uh I think it might be based on how
Speaker 1: they're bill right now. Their offensive line is an absolute mess.
Speaker 1: But there's a little bit of controversy in Miami that
Speaker 1: I kind of like because like they got fried by
Speaker 1: the Bills last week and then this week Dolphins players
Speaker 1: were saying, you know, there's still whenever this happens, I
Speaker 1: always see little chinks in the armor and wonder where
Speaker 1: we'll be. Like eight weeks now, Dolphins players sort of
Speaker 1: saying that, look with this Vic Fangio uh oh defense,
Speaker 1: that there's still a learning curve in Fangio. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've met Fangio at like the Ravens Niners Super Bowl
Speaker 1: week and I tried to interview him and he was
Speaker 1: alone at one of those little regular tables, so that's
Speaker 1: a good chance to talk.
Speaker 4: Very did not want me there with him. Very it's
Speaker 4: just sort of.
Speaker 1: Like a straight to the irascible and I think we
Speaker 1: felt that with his head coach Rain.
Speaker 3: But he basically saw like the grandfather like lost grandfathers
Speaker 3: are kind of in this mode or they're just like
Speaker 3: just leave me alone. Like I've been in this I've
Speaker 3: been in this game called life. Yeah for too long
Speaker 3: to be dealing with you. Let me see my rocking still,
Speaker 3: Just get off, get off my porch, right, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys had like the nice grandfather.
Speaker 4: Mine were very nice.
Speaker 3: That was like loving is like hey, let's go fishing
Speaker 3: or whatever. It's like, no, my grandfather's like no, I
Speaker 3: already had children and we are moving forward. There are
Speaker 3: no reverse gears in this tank. And that's who I am. Well,
Speaker 3: Vick might be that.
Speaker 4: He grew up in a coal mine too or coalman city.
Speaker 1: Too deep deep within mine. Sure, well that that would
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, But Vic Fonju basically when they were
Speaker 1: pinging him about that, like all these little reporters, he
Speaker 1: was like, well, it should be there already. These guys
Speaker 1: should know it. So it's already like coordinator. Whenever this
Speaker 1: starts happened, I wonder just like at their grandfather. I
Speaker 1: know this sounds like I'm taking a wipeout. I kind
Speaker 1: of don't think it's gonna be I had this like
Speaker 1: spidy sense about it, and I just want to see
Speaker 1: how Miami responds. There's no reason they shouldn't take care
Speaker 1: of business.
Speaker 4: It's down in like.
Speaker 1: Super hot miam South Beach, probably like one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty two degrees. Not good for the Giants and their
Speaker 1: terrible offensive line that can barely move in temperate weather.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe the Dolphins get back Jalen Phillips in this game.
Speaker 5: I mean, the lines makers are expecting Dolphins favored by eleven.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's enough for me. I think
Speaker 5: i'd go go more than that. Maybe they get back
Speaker 5: Jalen Phillips, who's by far their best pass rusher and
Speaker 5: has been out a few weeks, and that's a factor.
Speaker 5: But I don't see a very well coordinated defense. I
Speaker 5: mean I see a lot of guys Dolphins. Yeah, Emanuel Agba,
Speaker 5: who was a great player for a few years and
Speaker 5: in the old scheme that's barely playing. And some guys
Speaker 5: like Bradley Chubb who make a lot of money and
Speaker 5: he's been okay, but not you know, Xavi and Howard,
Speaker 5: one of the high paid cornerbacks in the league certainly
Speaker 5: not playing well.
Speaker 2: The secondary is attackable.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's gonna show up this week,
Speaker 5: especially because the Giants have a still have a you know,
Speaker 5: they have a new injuries on the offensive line. As
Speaker 5: bad as it was against Seattle, it's like you lost
Speaker 5: your center, like right off the bat.
Speaker 1: That's a hard thing killed.
Speaker 5: To deal with. And maybe you get back Andrew Thomas.
Speaker 5: Sounds like you get back Saquon Barkley this week. And
Speaker 5: the Dolphins won't get back to Ron Armstead. So there's
Speaker 5: a lot of injuries here. But then it's like all
Speaker 5: this mess we're talking about, and then you have two
Speaker 5: a tongue of I loo against this Giants defense and
Speaker 5: these rookie cornerbacks, and you put the over under eight
Speaker 5: about what thirty six on Dolphins points.
Speaker 2: I would say.
Speaker 3: This, this smells like another fifty burger.
Speaker 1: Yah. I think this is gonna happen. But I'm getting
Speaker 1: what dumb Woltz said.
Speaker 5: We wanted it could be like fifty to thirty though.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe Yeah, it's it's possible that that Jones gets
Speaker 3: unlocked a little bit if he gets a little bit
Speaker 3: of help. But yeah, I think they're gonna go up
Speaker 3: and down the field. This this feels like end of
Speaker 3: first quarter and the Giants are down seventeen to nothing
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: So but that can't get into it, I hear you.
Speaker 1: But every time we think that. Not every time. But
Speaker 1: this is like how I felt about the Cardinals coming
Speaker 1: in the season, and the Giants have already showed us
Speaker 1: they're argely inept. But it's like, I don't know, weird
Speaker 1: things can happen. That said, like your whole defense is
Speaker 1: based around high pressure rate and blitzing the quarterback, and
Speaker 1: they're just not very good at that.
Speaker 5: Mean, the Giants have played four games, right, and in
Speaker 5: seven of those eight halves they've they haven't even played
Speaker 5: like they've been absolutely that's.
Speaker 3: The issue that's tough, and it's why it makes your
Speaker 3: brain hurt, because you know, again, they their whole thing
Speaker 3: last year is that they were maximizing their talent and
Speaker 3: well coached, and this year it seems like the the
Speaker 3: exact opposite.
Speaker 4: Football is weird.
Speaker 1: We should be able to change their monikers, their nicknames
Speaker 1: when they don't play up like Giants should be switched
Speaker 1: to something else until they get back to what we
Speaker 1: what they were named as back in the old days
Speaker 1: when they.
Speaker 2: Were little little how about little giants?
Speaker 1: That was a little Rick Moranis vehicle.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's move on. I am on the clock once more.
Speaker 3: Let's hit up the other New York team, Jets at Broncos.
Speaker 3: I want to start with.
Speaker 4: A public apology. And I'm not alone.
Speaker 3: Even the great Joe Namath owes an apology to Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4: You know who else owes Zack Wilson apology? Rodney Harrison.
Speaker 1: That guy's you don't know what is up with that guy?
Speaker 4: There's one day to not do it.
Speaker 1: It's that day.
Speaker 3: He assaults Chris Jones in a postgame interview, trying because
Speaker 3: Jones was paying Wilson a complimentary he played against the
Speaker 3: Chiefs and Harrison. I think he's a patriot and all that,
Speaker 3: but like, come on, dude, let it go. Like he
Speaker 3: kept on coming back. He's calling Zack Wilson garbage on
Speaker 3: the air, and sometimes I feel like and I think
Speaker 3: it's a part of.
Speaker 4: The I get it.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 3: I understand the Jets have gotten a lot of coverage
Speaker 3: this year, and Zach Wilson is annoying to some people.
Speaker 3: And you don't want to hear Zach Wilson getting praised
Speaker 3: because you've seen so much bad tape and you're like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna let you say he played well today
Speaker 3: because he stinks, like trust me, Jets fans get the
Speaker 3: frustration with Zach Wilson, but he's owed an apology because
Speaker 3: he really did under immense, immense criticism and just the
Speaker 3: idea that that was going to be and I was
Speaker 3: wrong about it. I thought that was going to be
Speaker 3: the floor hitting the floor, going through the floor into
Speaker 3: the middle core of Earth moment for the Jets franchise
Speaker 3: against Kansas City with freaking Taylor Swift there and everything.
Speaker 3: And yet they once again showed that there is a
Speaker 3: heart on this team and they do fight, and they
Speaker 3: didn't win, So we're not handing out lollipops. And Zack
Speaker 3: Wilson did fumble that snap at midfield in a tie
Speaker 3: game late, so I can't say that all of a sudden.
Speaker 3: I'm on board with Zach Wilson in the experience, but
Speaker 3: he deserves credit for bouncing back playing at a high
Speaker 3: level for him in that game. And now we see
Speaker 3: what happens in Denver against the Broncos team. We say,
Speaker 3: we don't need anything. They just cut Randy Gregory. We'll
Speaker 3: get to that in a second. Their defense is brutal
Speaker 3: and the Jets are not gonna put up seventy. But
Speaker 3: how about Jets And I know this is gonna sound insane,
Speaker 3: but how about the Jets offense scores three touchdowns in
Speaker 3: Denver this week? And how about this season's over? This
Speaker 3: season is over. Let's not got crazier. This season is
Speaker 3: ova for the Jets. If they don't win in Denver,
Speaker 3: they've lost three straight. They're one and three. They got
Speaker 3: the Eagles next week. So if you don't win this game,
Speaker 3: you're staring at one and five. Aaron Rodgers, see you
Speaker 3: next year, Okay, So find a way with this team.
Speaker 3: Breese Hall, the big report about him this week is
Speaker 3: they took off the training wheels. There's no more pitch.
Speaker 1: Count on him.
Speaker 3: Give Breese Hall the rock twenty times. Zach Wilson try
Speaker 3: to build off that performance. And Nate Hackett, who has
Speaker 3: escaped criticism for the most part, well, it piled up
Speaker 3: on Wilson.
Speaker 1: See what happens there, Nate.
Speaker 3: When you let him throw the ball and you don't
Speaker 3: let the defense just sit at the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 3: keep challenging the defense with downfield shots.
Speaker 4: What else do you have to loose?
Speaker 1: No, I like, I kind of love this for part
Speaker 1: two of what we saw from Zach Wilson a week ago.
Speaker 4: The Broncos, we get it.
Speaker 1: They they were shredded on the ground by Miami. So
Speaker 1: there's breeze Hall, there's your opportunity. They have allowed the
Speaker 1: league high passer rating of one hundred and thirty three
Speaker 1: point four, which is the second worst through four games
Speaker 1: by any defense this century. So there are doorways for
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson to have to build on last week, Like
Speaker 1: if that was an aberration and we go back to
Speaker 1: what he is like all right, but that could have
Speaker 1: a little bit to do with Nathaniel Hackett. It's tough
Speaker 1: for me to give him credit. But we throw these
Speaker 1: revenge games around all over the place. Zach Wilson should like,
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson should want revenge on everyone.
Speaker 5: This is this is Sean pay Hackett versus Payton.
Speaker 1: Hackett said, and this is this is the thing I
Speaker 1: this is what I take from Sean Payton after all
Speaker 1: that nonsense and what Sean Payton's been through. But by
Speaker 1: the way, Sean Payton, like, who's gonna talk about you
Speaker 1: next year when they take over the Broncos coaching job.
Speaker 4: At this he continues to go south.
Speaker 1: But he never he called Hacket back, never even called
Speaker 1: I just I know of course he did bothers me.
Speaker 1: And it's like Nathaniel Hackett, like I'm not sure he's
Speaker 1: good at what he does, but it's like he has
Speaker 1: a revenge game.
Speaker 3: And this, by the way, this was this was the
Speaker 3: whole point back in the summer. Was Peyton wrong what
Speaker 3: he said about Hackett, like in terms of what Hackett
Speaker 3: did as the head coach. No, but the reason why
Speaker 3: you don't do it is because of the fraternity and
Speaker 3: everyone gets their ass kicked at different points in the league.
Speaker 3: And Sean Payton if he if he fails here and
Speaker 3: so far it's not looking so hot. Of course, you
Speaker 3: don't want the next guy that takes over to say, yeah,
Speaker 3: well the last guy sucked at his job.
Speaker 4: So you know, we're bringing some order to this place.
Speaker 3: Because it's a hard thing, like coaching football is hard,
Speaker 3: and you don't want anybody stopping on your grave because
Speaker 3: everybody gets to come up. It's even Bill Belichick. Check
Speaker 3: out the time, right or in conversation we had yesterday.
Speaker 5: Everything you say I completely agree with. And yet as
Speaker 5: a you know, third party, I'm fine with it. I
Speaker 5: like it. I think, I like I like getting spicy.
Speaker 2: It's still just football.
Speaker 5: It's not perfectly like I'm he's not saying Hackett's a
Speaker 5: bad human, and I like that. If Peyton had lost
Speaker 5: that Bears game, this would have been more of a
Speaker 5: delightful uh to be because we would be talking about,
Speaker 5: you know, the worst coaching job ever. And here the
Speaker 5: Broncos are zero to four. It's somehow less exciting when
Speaker 5: they're both one and three. It's certainly less exciting without
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers involved. I do want to see Zach Wilson
Speaker 5: build on it because he's had a couple professional efforts
Speaker 5: in his career. I went back to see if that
Speaker 5: was his highest PFF grade. You know, he had like
Speaker 5: a in the mid seven Tennessee game last ye Yeah,
Speaker 5: there was like a Jacksonville game. I think as a
Speaker 5: rookie that he's had three or four games where it worked.
Speaker 5: For that game, I think what he showed last week
Speaker 5: was a little more next level than what he had before.
Speaker 5: It was less about just the scheme. It was more
Speaker 5: about him. So but do it again and so then
Speaker 5: we'll start feeling even better. They have gotten some good
Speaker 5: pass rush out Nick Benito and Jonathan Cooper for the
Speaker 5: Broncos that helped help turn it around. So that that's
Speaker 5: a matchup and to watch. And the one thing with
Speaker 5: Peyton is offensively, you know, I do want to give
Speaker 5: him some credit that I think it's working. They're a
Speaker 5: competent offense. They've improved quite a bit offensively. Russell Wilson
Speaker 5: has improved. He's not hurting them. And they remind me
Speaker 5: a lot of the post Brieze Saints, which weren't great,
Speaker 5: but everyone would try out those stats like Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 5: and Jamis Winston and Taysom Hill. If you combine their
Speaker 5: win loss record when they replace Drew Brees or after
Speaker 5: dew Brees was like fifteen and seven, and like, they're
Speaker 5: running that kind of offense which isn't esthetically appealing, but
Speaker 5: it's effective and it's efficient. So if they can get
Speaker 5: anything out of their defense, the Broncos could turn their
Speaker 5: season round. I like the Jets in this game, though,
Speaker 5: I'm taking them on NFL game debut, our name on it, I.
Speaker 4: Find my name. I like that touchdowns, give me three touchdowns.
Speaker 5: I don't remember what the score was. The Broncos are
Speaker 5: favored though, by one and a half, because.
Speaker 4: If they if they score.
Speaker 3: Three touchdowns, I think the Jets de will harass Russell
Speaker 3: Wilson enough into turnovers that will put them in a
Speaker 3: position to win the game. I don't trust it because
Speaker 3: I've been hurt too many times. But Julia McLoughlin, he
Speaker 3: was fast and shifty against the Bears. Lookout Javonte Williams.
Speaker 5: Who I think he's probably out this week, went out with.
Speaker 3: A hip injury. I believe in this game. That's something
Speaker 3: to keep an eye on. And I'm super annoyed didn't
Speaker 3: pick him up in fantasy. But that's all the other conversation.
Speaker 3: I think he could be a producer in that Denver offense.
Speaker 1: It's like, I get it, we're talking about Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: left and right, but it's like the Jets defensive line
Speaker 1: go wreck the entire operation in Denver.
Speaker 4: They've been good and that's part of solid solid too.
Speaker 3: I said it last week, and you know you don't
Speaker 3: just have to defend on depend on that front, fury
Speaker 3: great pressure you could you can mix things up and
Speaker 3: confuse Russell Wilson and get.
Speaker 1: Get after it. They did a great job against Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: who was a lost a lost pop, as was Josh
Speaker 1: Allen in week one.
Speaker 3: So those are arguably the two best quarterbacks in the
Speaker 3: league in the first four weeks that got screened ambled
Speaker 3: by the Jets.
Speaker 4: They should be able to do some things to get
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson to make mistakes. Whin you play to win
Speaker 4: the game, as Herman Edwards once said, win this game.
Speaker 1: I am going to be upset on Sunday night.
Speaker 3: The people that like when I'm upset, Yes, you'll you'll
Speaker 3: be very happy if we can't find a way to
Speaker 3: win this week, because you got it's a gotta have
Speaker 3: a game all right up next.
Speaker 2: That's all the more reason for me.
Speaker 4: To route a little ominous.
Speaker 1: For the rest of the cast here, including the people
Speaker 1: behind the glass.
Speaker 3: It's largely I I hope I internalize the pain. It
Speaker 3: will creep out here and.
Speaker 4: There, but I want you to feel that, Paine.
Speaker 5: You know, none of us you know we've been around
Speaker 5: each other. There's no internalizing possible for any of us.
Speaker 5: It's like we feel that the energy. Yeah, okay, how
Speaker 5: about real friends, how about it? It would be so
Speaker 5: crazy for a little positive energy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would ten years this show, a little positive
Speaker 3: green energy emanating on a Sunday night.
Speaker 5: It's not the as after let me know what you
Speaker 5: think about, you know, Matt Ryan and the booth after
Speaker 5: this game.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to that. All right, Mark, you're hey,
Speaker 3: I forgot your name just now. I was looking at
Speaker 3: m and I was like, Mike, do I work with Mike.
Speaker 1: Whenever someone like just blanks my name, it quickly goes
Speaker 1: to matter.
Speaker 4: Mike anyway, Uh, Matt Cessler, you're up?
Speaker 1: Or Matilda, let's see uh Tennessee at Indianapolis. Maggie, Now
Speaker 1: I used to get Marcy.
Speaker 4: I don't like that. I mean, just because it's a
Speaker 4: playoff m A r C.
Speaker 3: So Marci Marcy Sessler is a reception receptionist. She's cheery,
Speaker 3: she's zaftig and build, but everybody love it.
Speaker 1: That's not me though, that's Marcy Sessler.
Speaker 4: Okay, but like parallel universe, actually that's my body.
Speaker 5: As we're definitely getting a photoshop of Marshy from some
Speaker 5: donated Why did I open that door?
Speaker 1: All right? Uh here, I'll open this door. Tennis See
Speaker 1: at Indianapolis. What are they still doing hanging out down here?
Speaker 2: What about you?
Speaker 5: It's rare that, like, yeah, your your fourth pick is
Speaker 5: way way better than your first pick.
Speaker 4: So I think Scott whoka nakua right here.
Speaker 3: Just watch an old Seinfeld episode about it was one
Speaker 3: of the greatest ones ever, even Steve and Jerry like,
Speaker 3: and everything works out for Jerry. And in the episode,
Speaker 3: George gets the job of the Yankees and he moves
Speaker 3: out of his parents' house, and then Elaine loses her
Speaker 3: job and gets kicked out of her apartment, and Jerry's
Speaker 3: right in the middle.
Speaker 4: He's like, he came out.
Speaker 1: Even you're up, I Jerry in this equation, you're even Stephen,
Speaker 1: You're I'm also a zaftig receptionist in the middle of
Speaker 1: the country in an alternate universe, right, yeah, yeah, Tennessee
Speaker 1: at the Colts, we'll get back to the game here,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, maybe we might see him. He's healthy, he said,
Speaker 1: he's ready to go.
Speaker 4: I don't know, we have sound I'd like to hear
Speaker 4: from j T.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who you know obviously wanted out this summer and
Speaker 3: then showed up with the team at the opening of
Speaker 3: his practice window, and now he might be part of
Speaker 3: a very exciting offense. Jonathan Twner spoke to the media
Speaker 3: for the first time on Thursday.
Speaker 8: Now, I'm here right now, and my number one thing
Speaker 8: is to take care of my teammates. A lot of
Speaker 8: people worry about what I want, what I want. It
Speaker 8: doesn't matter what necessarily I want. What matters is what
Speaker 8: this team needs, with this team wants, with this city wants,
Speaker 8: and with this city needs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what the city needs as a championship.
Speaker 8: And while I'm here, that's what I'm gonna work my
Speaker 8: tail off to dude, That's what I work my tail
Speaker 8: off to get the opportunity to do. You know, I
Speaker 8: think when you've been out for a while, you start
Speaker 8: looking at it and you say, man, when you have
Speaker 8: that opportunity. And I never took it for granted. But
Speaker 8: even when it's taken away, you still are like, man,
Speaker 8: that was a great opportunity, and I can't wait to
Speaker 8: have another opportunity. So, like I said, I never took
Speaker 8: it for granted. And at all, so you know, help
Speaker 8: comes first.
Speaker 1: Like the one thing you hear about Jonathan Taylor, Yeah
Speaker 1: from everyone is like incredible teammate, like a rock in
Speaker 1: the locker room, like the guy they all kind of
Speaker 1: look to, especially when you have a quarterback to look
Speaker 1: to in years past, and so I think all that
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent who he is.
Speaker 4: And it's true.
Speaker 1: It's also like if you if you hold out a
Speaker 1: couple more weeks, you don't become a free agent after
Speaker 1: the season. So it's like the axis of like, no,
Speaker 1: you are in what you need to do with your career.
Speaker 3: I don't want to put too much into it. And
Speaker 3: check out the show which is on Fast Television and YouTube,
Speaker 3: but that looks like a guy that has come to
Speaker 3: terms with his situation.
Speaker 2: Gredity Ducks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's optimistic and excited to play football and
Speaker 3: there's no sucking there and I think, you know, if
Speaker 3: he's healthy, I'm telling you look out if this offense
Speaker 3: has twenty twenty one Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1: Hello, Yeah, I'm with you, because it's like I think
Speaker 1: a year ago, like Jonathan Taylor, probably for business reasons,
Speaker 1: would return, but it's like return to a hot mess
Speaker 1: that was getting uglier by the week. Now it's like
Speaker 1: you're in the Shanstike in offense where people are being
Speaker 1: used well Zach Moss. I think part of the reason
Speaker 1: Zach Moss succeeded is this offense and the way it's
Speaker 1: put together. That said, the Cult still ranked twenty seventh
Speaker 1: in the league of running characters carries of five plus yards.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor gives you that, It's like, I don't. That
Speaker 1: kind of threw me because I feel like Zach Moss
Speaker 1: had done a nice job over the last couple.
Speaker 4: Weeks, and he had two hundred and eighty yards and
Speaker 4: three games. He's been good.
Speaker 1: But then you just put in the quarterback situation and
Speaker 1: it's like I kind of don't care about the stats
Speaker 1: on Anthony Richardson thirty second in the league in completion percentage.
Speaker 4: That can change.
Speaker 1: We've seen that change with Josh Allen other quarterbacks as well.
Speaker 4: It's kind of hard to change it. Like, I don't
Speaker 4: know if if that's who he is.
Speaker 3: Also a small sample size it has like like a
Speaker 3: twenty for twenty eight day.
Speaker 2: He's probably middle of the two and a half games.
Speaker 1: Sure, but like I mean, I guess like that stands
Speaker 1: out in today's NFL yards rookies.
Speaker 2: Yards for attempt.
Speaker 5: I would guess he's, you know, middle of the pack
Speaker 5: because that's a point mark.
Speaker 1: He leads the league in explosive plays and on the
Speaker 1: ground and there so it's.
Speaker 4: Like, wait, the whole league in two and a half games.
Speaker 1: Twelve plus runs of twelve plus yards and passes of
Speaker 1: twenty plus carries, leading the league in those and that
Speaker 1: type a little.
Speaker 3: More than half the game's played. He leads that stat
Speaker 3: That is eye opening.
Speaker 4: I totally agree missed an entire game at one point.
Speaker 1: I mean, but he but that's we're talking about a
Speaker 1: quarterback running those plays. There aren't that many quarterbacks doing that, yep,
Speaker 1: and they aren't. They aren't also that not that much.
Speaker 1: So it's like Anthony Richardson is like this completely watchable.
Speaker 4: He's not a project.
Speaker 1: Like I know, that's sort of what they was billed at,
Speaker 1: but that's that's not what I see because what he
Speaker 1: can do is the best anything anyone's is on the field.
Speaker 1: And like I like the Colts defensive line, I think
Speaker 1: to Forrest Buckner, I don't know what kind of car
Speaker 1: you would fit in if he drove He's just a
Speaker 1: massive there's a lot to like, there's some injuries on
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4: A Toyota Highlander, what a automobile? Is that? A dominiative car?
Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying that, I don't even know
Speaker 4: that's a sponsor and you should be intimately familiar. Well,
Speaker 4: you fit him in any way you can into that vehicle, then.
Speaker 5: Maybe hums throw him in one of those. Yeah, they
Speaker 5: look pretty good. Although last week the Rams did a
Speaker 5: good job job. You mentioned Josh Allen. To me, that
Speaker 5: is the best comp for Richardson in almost every way.
Speaker 5: And you think about Josh Allen as a rookie, and
Speaker 5: I do think there are certain aspects Richardson is a
Speaker 5: little ahead of him. Maybe not in the accuracy that's
Speaker 5: gonna be up and down, but he's already sliding a lot.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 5: Like Josh Allen just slid for the first time and
Speaker 5: got apparently got like a quarter.
Speaker 4: For it first to jump over six to three lines.
Speaker 2: Well, he said, Sean McDermott said.
Speaker 5: Sean McDermott said he had a little something like they
Speaker 5: he was getting something from Sean McDermott, a little extra
Speaker 5: bonus or something it was like an illegal I don't
Speaker 5: think it was anything that was going to change Josh
Speaker 5: Allen's life. They were having fun, but also like the
Speaker 5: pocket movement, Like I think he is a little more
Speaker 5: developed than we expected. He's going up against a Titans defense,
Speaker 5: which is good up front. We know that Jeffrey Simmons
Speaker 5: is playing great. Tierre Tart might be out for this game.
Speaker 5: I have noticed that the Titans offensive line year after
Speaker 5: year the very worst in the league. This year, I
Speaker 5: think the goal is like, let's shuffle the deck. Let's
Speaker 5: hope to get better to average. Maybe they are they
Speaker 5: you know, they open up.
Speaker 2: Some holes last week.
Speaker 4: Some of their metrics shuffled. They move some guys around.
Speaker 5: Uh no, just play. Skoransky hasn't been healthy. Some are
Speaker 5: taken behind the building.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Andre Dillard hasn't really been great.
Speaker 5: But if you look at their past block win rate,
Speaker 5: they're run like they're not great. It's like twenty third,
Speaker 5: twenty first. But it had been like a hard thirty
Speaker 5: thirty two third, you know, in all the PFF and
Speaker 5: the win rates, and now it's like, okay, maybe you're
Speaker 5: not going to be embarrassing.
Speaker 2: And then that gives Ryan tannel chance and.
Speaker 5: Also scoring team. Though they're like Patriots South in a
Speaker 5: not a good way.
Speaker 4: Scornsky practiced this week so or on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: They're better though.
Speaker 4: I think they are juicier than the Patriots.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they're a better team. But it just
Speaker 5: feels like, Oh, this team's still around in this same way. Oh,
Speaker 5: that's surprising. You know how team's changed so fast? It
Speaker 5: sure hasn't so much. This could be a problem, Mark,
Speaker 5: This could be a close game.
Speaker 2: Titans are favored by two.
Speaker 1: I don't know where the narratives coming from, because I
Speaker 1: I think the thing is when you go try to
Speaker 1: pick a blowout it goes in overtime that there is
Speaker 1: no way it does have that way. I have not
Speaker 1: covered the Falcons on a sun or the Dolphins on
Speaker 1: a Sunday. That is a large reason why I picked them.
Speaker 2: I like to mix it up too, Yeah, all the same.
Speaker 1: I've had the Cults like four times though, so you know,
Speaker 1: backed right into it.
Speaker 4: Beautiful, All right, Greg, you're up.
Speaker 5: All right. I'm gonna take the Bengals at the Cardinals.
Speaker 5: Bengals are favored by two and a half in this game.
Speaker 5: Feels generous. I'm taking the Cardinals to win this game.
Speaker 5: I just think you gotta trust.
Speaker 4: That is generous, that's spread.
Speaker 2: You gotta trust what you see.
Speaker 5: At some point, yeah, Cincinnati could suddenly get a better
Speaker 5: version of Joe Burrow, but to this point, I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna look, and this is live DVOA. On the season,
Speaker 5: the Cardinals are sixteen. That sounds about right. They've looked
Speaker 5: like an average team. The Bengals are much lower on
Speaker 5: that list. Gotta keep scrolling twenty six, and it's not
Speaker 5: just because of Joe Burrow. The defense is twenty fifth.
Speaker 5: I talked about pass block win rate just with the Titans.
Speaker 5: You know who's second to last in that stat right now,
Speaker 5: the Cincinnati Bengals today. So you've got a bad offensive line.
Speaker 5: We've talked the quarterback to death Burrow, and the defense
Speaker 5: is quite bla.
Speaker 2: You've scored three touchdowns.
Speaker 5: We're entering Week five, and you've given up over one
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy rushing yards in three out of four games.
Speaker 5: And I look at this Cardinals team and the way
Speaker 5: Josh Dobbs is running and the way Connor's running and
Speaker 5: the scheme, and I think if they can be close
Speaker 5: in this game, they should be able to run the ball.
Speaker 5: Maybe the Bengals step up again. They had a one
Speaker 5: great game against LA but other than that, their defense
Speaker 5: has been bla And that's why I think to this
Speaker 5: point in the season, the Cardinals have been a little
Speaker 5: better team. And this might be lights out if you
Speaker 5: lose in your the Bengals in this one, this must
Speaker 5: win side, that's way I know. But wouldn't that have
Speaker 5: the last week too? I don't know, But this is
Speaker 5: like the perfect matchup of like before.
Speaker 1: This is the perfect matchup of like team we are
Speaker 1: struggling to believe is problematic on all sorts of fronts,
Speaker 1: and team we're struggling to believe is real on all
Speaker 1: sorts of fronts. But I just want to read a
Speaker 1: couple quick things about this Bengals offense to add to
Speaker 1: what you said, Greg, they have four completions of twenty
Speaker 1: or more yards last year over four games. Over sixteen
Speaker 1: games last year. That game canceled fifty three. They aren't
Speaker 1: that same offense. He Burrow is two of twenty two
Speaker 1: throwing the ball more than fifteen yards. He had fifty
Speaker 1: percent a year ago. He is obviously throwing shorter, quicker
Speaker 1: releak passes, but it's not working. None of their screen
Speaker 1: passes this year gain more than ten yards. They have
Speaker 1: fewer drives of twenty five plus yards than Miami has
Speaker 1: plays of twenty five plus yards. Three percent of Burrow's
Speaker 1: on target throws have been dropped. So it is Burrow
Speaker 1: and there's certain things he can't do. We can see
Speaker 1: that visually, but it is the environment. It's the people
Speaker 1: around him, so Jamar Chase getting all set and all
Speaker 1: this sof it's like there are all sorts of things
Speaker 1: happening here.
Speaker 3: Also the opponents are part of this too. They've been
Speaker 3: It's been a tough schedule out of the gate for them.
Speaker 3: They at Cleveland Ravens Rams, which they won that game
Speaker 3: but scored nineteen and not a great defense. But you know,
Speaker 3: still at Tennessee, which is a tough draw. I'm already
Speaker 3: as a Bengals fan panicking about the season because the
Speaker 3: in part because the expectations are so high and now
Speaker 3: you're one in three. But like Arizona, I know they're
Speaker 3: in some level a good story so far that they've
Speaker 3: been competitive. But if Cincinnati has anything in them in
Speaker 3: terms of en Burrow's quoted this week. We need we
Speaker 3: need a win for morale, and I believe in the
Speaker 3: power of Burrow as a leader, and I think I
Speaker 3: really do feel to do it.
Speaker 4: I feel very very what's what is it again?
Speaker 2: The Bengals are favorite one and a half two and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 3: I feel very strongly that Cincinnati figures out a way
Speaker 3: to get it done.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know is t Higgins playing in this game.
Speaker 3: That's not a good situation.
Speaker 4: I think he is gonna. I heard he's gonna try
Speaker 4: to grit it through with a broken.
Speaker 5: Rib despite being you know, he's in a contract year
Speaker 5: and that can go both ways, like you yourself, But
Speaker 5: he also wants some numbers and he's struggling right now,
Speaker 5: and I think he wants to put up something.
Speaker 1: And it's a test for him.
Speaker 3: It's a test obviously also for Zach Taylor, who's gotten
Speaker 3: some criticism here about the offensive game plan.
Speaker 4: They need to figure something out.
Speaker 3: And I think you're gonna see a team, even if
Speaker 3: maybe I don't believe in them because of the way
Speaker 3: the setup is. I think you're gonna see them come
Speaker 3: to life a little bit, score some points to win
Speaker 3: this game.
Speaker 5: I agree with you, and I think it's because of
Speaker 5: the matchup. Like as as good a story as the
Speaker 5: Jonathan Gannon's been, his defense has been quite mediocre.
Speaker 2: They're thirtieth in DVOA.
Speaker 5: There's one play caller though, in this game that I
Speaker 5: do trust to like make make the most out of
Speaker 5: what he's got. It's not Zach Taylor Captain Lou It's
Speaker 5: Drew Pencing. It's Drew Pencing. Okay, let's get ready for
Speaker 5: some head coaching interviews. Drew Pencing. I just think a
Speaker 5: guy that has Jacoby Brissette in your like as a
Speaker 5: top ten EPA per play guy, and then the next
Speaker 5: it takes Josh Dobbs and he's playing really well, and
Speaker 5: they're seventh in DVOA.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 5: Offensively, Michael Wilson and Marky's Brown are both on pace
Speaker 5: for a thousand yards, Like Drew Pencing, what a guy?
Speaker 1: So did you?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: So is that how E E t z I n
Speaker 5: G Petzing I would say QB coach a year ago,
Speaker 5: I totally messed out. I guess they give him all
Speaker 5: the credit for the Browns last year he was just
Speaker 5: a QB coach. So I'm connecting a few too many
Speaker 5: dots but he's having a nice start to his career as.
Speaker 1: A first time playing callers too well. I mean I
Speaker 1: would say this, like, they can run the ball. That's
Speaker 1: gonna Cincinnati's gonna have to deal with the cards right
Speaker 1: now have more rushing yards per game than the Cowboys, Bills, Chiefs, Lions,
Speaker 1: and Falcons.
Speaker 3: If I didn't feel so hot about the lock of
Speaker 3: the Bills and the fact that you guys are on
Speaker 3: the lock as well, I would absolutely move to Cincinnati
Speaker 3: and put my belief in Burrow. It would be gutsy,
Speaker 3: but I can't do it because you're it's just too
Speaker 3: good a lock this week, and that is the kiss
Speaker 3: of death.
Speaker 1: The Jacksonville Jaguars will win in London. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: way too confident, right, it's over, But that gives Greg
Speaker 1: his first loss, So I would actually take that. Let's
Speaker 1: let's go Jacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of pointless when we're all on the
Speaker 2: same lock.
Speaker 1: But no, it's just a week where you carry it forward.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this driving down. It's like it
Speaker 1: feels a little showman free. You're two and two, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I can't, like, I can't stilarly. I only think
Speaker 1: about myself, my own locker room, in my own organization.
Speaker 3: We have the standings so far. Yeah, we've been looking
Speaker 3: for this. A little check in at the quarterpole. Greg
Speaker 3: off to a four A spell.
Speaker 4: Check their clowns.
Speaker 1: Wait, I'm still doing this.
Speaker 4: We got a k.
Speaker 1: He's still doing this.
Speaker 4: We got a k on Sessler on Mark clown show. Greg,
Speaker 4: you're off to a four.
Speaker 1: Oh start the zuzzer got one point beat in a
Speaker 1: week one with the Chiefs, and now I'm three and one.
Speaker 1: Hold on, so it's not alphabetical? Why am I below
Speaker 1: the Westling mother? Right?
Speaker 5: So yeah, the Wesley, good job by Phil taking over.
Speaker 1: Uh Wes and Mark?
Speaker 4: Such easy fudder too easy.
Speaker 3: It's it's actually not right, and I personally condone it
Speaker 3: on everyone.
Speaker 4: Not instigate it or trigger it.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get this last draft.
Speaker 1: Ever to do such a thing.
Speaker 4: All right. One more.
Speaker 5: I wanted to avoid this game, and now I got
Speaker 5: the worst of all scenarios. I got Saints at Patriots.
Speaker 5: Patriots favored by one as my backup early game. This
Speaker 5: game is not gonna have any offense. I like the
Speaker 5: Saints defense unbalanced. They eventually capitulated last week, but their
Speaker 5: offense is maybe more brutal to watch than the Patriots.
Speaker 5: New England's coming off a week where they lost their
Speaker 5: potentially their best two players for the season, Matthew Judon
Speaker 5: and Christian Gonzales. Judan is maybe hoping to return late
Speaker 5: in the season from a torn biceps, which sometimes is possible.
Speaker 5: Gonzales for what reason, it sounds like it is out
Speaker 5: for to come back.
Speaker 4: In Week eighteen and knock the Jets out of the playoffs.
Speaker 4: That's that's my prediction.
Speaker 5: Look, I don't think the Patriots have any chance. We
Speaker 5: went over them a lot this week with Tom Kurran.
Speaker 5: This is a brutal schedule that they have all season.
Speaker 5: The next two weeks are the softest part. They're home
Speaker 5: for New Orleans at Las Vegas. They'll have a chance
Speaker 5: to win each of those games. They they could lose both,
Speaker 5: they could win both. I don't know, and I don't
Speaker 5: think it's gonna matter in the long run. It's like,
Speaker 5: how do they both respond to complete no shows? Because
Speaker 5: Patriots got a lot of attention here, but in New
Speaker 5: Orleans that loss against the Bucks was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: what have we done? Is Derek Carr any better than
Speaker 5: Andy Dalton? You know some people might disagree. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: he's hurt. I don't know, he's throwing the ball sixty
Speaker 5: yards down the field. He's doing things. Maybe they adjusted
Speaker 5: the offense. Is there play caller Pete Carmichael really ready
Speaker 5: for this job?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Is he creative enough?
Speaker 5: We have a lot of talent In New Orleans, they
Speaker 5: played a better offensive line. And you can't score a
Speaker 5: touchdown on Todd Bowl. I know you put up nine points.
Speaker 1: Thro out the Bulls, so you can't go both ways
Speaker 1: on that one.
Speaker 5: Well, I get it. But the Bucks defense well coached.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to say they're a top five unit
Speaker 5: or anything. So how did both of these teams respond
Speaker 5: after really embarrassing Week fours? And because it's got to
Speaker 5: be dark in one of these.
Speaker 1: It was very just the whole the vibe at the Superdome,
Speaker 1: which is one of the more fun places to watch
Speaker 1: a football game, just.
Speaker 4: Very a dead zone.
Speaker 5: I mean Derek Carr taking like an immediate checkdown on
Speaker 5: a third and nine when you're down.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, he took some big hits.
Speaker 5: He held the ball forever in that game. I saw
Speaker 5: no evidence of his injury in particular, and if he's
Speaker 5: out there, you have to value it what's out there,
Speaker 5: And sometimes he was perfectly protected and he's just oh,
Speaker 5: let's get another three yards to Kamara on third and
Speaker 5: nine when we need it, when we need a touchdown.
Speaker 5: I mean it was the decision making was terrible at
Speaker 5: a car.
Speaker 3: A lot of those checkdowns could be the result, even
Speaker 3: if you don't see him win sing of a different type.
Speaker 4: Of so fine.
Speaker 1: So I'd even accept, like, let's say that he will
Speaker 1: find out down the road that he was injured in
Speaker 1: that game or played through pain. Well, we know he did, okay,
Speaker 1: but what about what about the other weeks? Like he's
Speaker 1: not He's just.
Speaker 3: Not Like fine, I know, did you see Jameis Winston's
Speaker 3: moon ball when he gave this game?
Speaker 1: But I'm not kidding, that's what you signed up for.
Speaker 1: I want to read embarrassing him to Jamis wins Here's
Speaker 1: they paid a ton of money to Derek Carr and
Speaker 1: I feel like Alway said, it's going to be frustrating,
Speaker 1: and it's very frustrated.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: So here's their their totals on offense this season sixteen,
Speaker 5: twenty ten and nine. Oh well, they must have played
Speaker 5: the most brutal like defensive scheduled in the league.
Speaker 1: They got.
Speaker 5: No, it's Titans good defense, not amazing Panthers, Packers, Bucks.
Speaker 5: I mean, they're one of the worst offenses in the league.
Speaker 5: I don't know exactly why or how, but that's just
Speaker 5: the fact.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they seem directionless. It just yeah.
Speaker 5: Now he got to play the Patriots, who are down
Speaker 5: a few players, but coming off a loss. I don't
Speaker 5: think they're going to suddenly start scoring. I'm expecting this
Speaker 5: game to be about twelve to eleven.
Speaker 1: I do think though that like, yeah, I'm with you,
Speaker 1: it should not It should be Orleans for England and
Speaker 1: take the new out of both because they feel old
Speaker 1: and stale.
Speaker 4: To me, this is good.
Speaker 2: But Ran did you pre write yet?
Speaker 1: You can shut it down. You could close the left
Speaker 1: on your don Mark.
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 5: Pack myself on the back, but I have stopped looking
Speaker 5: at his computer.
Speaker 4: Done death, the new the whole business. We got it.
Speaker 4: You came from another part of the air. Have a
Speaker 4: nice time. But how about Like I do like their defense.
Speaker 5: I think they I think it's a really good They
Speaker 5: can absolutely rattle an unwatchable Patriots offense.
Speaker 1: Brian Berzi kicked people's butts last week. I thought the
Speaker 1: Saint Stevie's they got fried on a couple of plays.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing you can rely on.
Speaker 5: And I mean Adamore and uh Alante Taylor as good
Speaker 5: as it gets for a cornerback.
Speaker 1: Do this crazy PFF stat on Mac Jones last week
Speaker 1: and we get We know that game was a black
Speaker 1: mirror scenario for the whole team, But turnover worthy plays
Speaker 1: on twenty one percent of his snaps versus Dallas. I
Speaker 1: don't all that from a quarterback that didn't come in
Speaker 1: for like ten snaps or eight snaps and then threw
Speaker 1: a two picks.
Speaker 3: It was bad and I love you know currness. Guess
Speaker 3: what Tom Current? Yeah Belichick does think think you're a
Speaker 3: dink now? Because he was ethering the Patriots on our
Speaker 3: show yesterday.
Speaker 2: You see him on the local broadcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, good good, good, good good stuff. Oh
Speaker 3: do you guys want to see, just out of curiosity,
Speaker 3: what Drew Petsing looks like Cardinals off in scorner.
Speaker 4: I've looked this up.
Speaker 1: Well, he was.
Speaker 4: It was the Browns check.
Speaker 1: Out on TV and on YouTube.
Speaker 4: Yes, looks like uh like Mike Garafolo's brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, I could or yeah, absolutely another Garifolo
Speaker 1: using a different man's last name.
Speaker 3: Like a guy that like a guy that really can
Speaker 3: handle himself in cornhole. That's that's what Drew Petsing looks like.
Speaker 3: If if you can't see the show we just described.
Speaker 5: It, Yeah, and check it out on YouTube and check
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Speaker 1: Or if you fast forward to this, I hope that's
Speaker 1: the case, But that's the could you could get here
Speaker 1: by that pathway?
Speaker 4: Don't do that?
Speaker 1: All right?
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Speaker 3: Yes, plenty more to come NFL plus uh Thursday Night
Speaker 3: recap coming up tonight, Bonusp with Nicky Shook and then
Speaker 3: the Flagship Show on Sunday till then Dan hands a
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