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Speaker 2: What's going on? Emily Avadi? Here you are listening to

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Speaker 2: episode three hundred and twenty five of Hurdle, a wellness

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Speaker 2: from their highest highs and toughest moments to essential tips

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Speaker 2: We all go through our fair share of hurdles. My

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Speaker 2: you my conversation today with Dakota Lynn Worm her new

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Speaker 2: and just yesterday ran the New York City Marathon. We

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Speaker 2: She has been on the show before, I'm gonna link

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Speaker 2: best practice tips for new runners, but this is her

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Speaker 2: And it goes without saying that, no matter what happened

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Speaker 2: It's at Hurdle Podcast and over at Emily a body

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Speaker 3: How are we doing today?

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Speaker 1: I am good here in New York City. It's a

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Speaker 2: I don't.

444
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Speaker 4: I just never could have done it well. I could have,

445
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Speaker 4: I would have. I just wouldn't be sitting here as

446
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Speaker 4: fit as I am.

447
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Speaker 1: I think it feels really good to be all in

448
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Speaker 1: on running, and I think what is super helpful for

449
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:56,440
Speaker 1: me is.

450
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Speaker 4: Having a home life that's pretty normal Montana.

451
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Speaker 1: My husband is he runs with me, but he's not

452
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Speaker 1: a runner, So like our conversations when I'm home.

453
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Speaker 4: Aren't revolved around that.

454
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Speaker 1: He'll ask all the workout went, We'll have those types

455
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Speaker 1: of conversations, but I get so much more normalcy from

456
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Speaker 1: him because he's just like, I don't know, he's just

457
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Speaker 1: a regular guy kind of thing, you know.

458
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Speaker 4: So I get that normalcy from him, for sure.

459
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

460
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Speaker 2: And I also really appreciate when you said the sentence

461
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Speaker 2: back when I wasn't a big name.

462
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Speaker 4: Oh yes, yeah.

463
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Speaker 2: I don't want to simply ask what's changed since you've

464
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Speaker 2: become a big name, because I feel like that's kind

465
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Speaker 2: of a generic question. Yeah, But more so I want

466
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Speaker 2: to ask, and what's changed about how you feel now

467
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Speaker 2: that you have more eyes? You're really dedicating your entire

468
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Speaker 2: being to this sport. How do you feel now that

469
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Speaker 2: you are this quote unquote big name.

470
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Speaker 1: I feel so much more confident. I mean I've always

471
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Speaker 1: had that kind of like I can do anything attitude,

472
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Speaker 1: But I get on a starting line and be like

473
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Speaker 1: look left and right and be like, oh maybe I

474
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Speaker 1: belong a rollback here, you know, But now I feel like, heck,

475
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: why can't I win the New York City Marathon? You know,

476
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Speaker 1: why can't I medal at the Olympics or whatever? So

477
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Speaker 1: I feel like just a big confidence swing for sure.

478
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Speaker 1: I almost I just don't have any doubts in myself.

479
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Speaker 3: That is.

480
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 2: So I'm just sitting here again with the goosebumps thinking

481
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Speaker 2: about how inspiring that is. And I also feel as

482
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Speaker 2: though it's important to point out that you can feel

483
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Speaker 2: as though you don't have any doubts in yourself, but

484
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Speaker 2: you can also experience anxiety or have a moment where

485
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Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, am I going to do this?

486
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

487
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Speaker 4: What do you do to.

488
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Speaker 2: Combat those intrusive thoughts and let the positivity be the

489
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Speaker 2: prevailing vibe.

490
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Speaker 1: So I'm taking this from my coach one hundred percent.

491
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Speaker 1: I set an alarm for race day so it'll be

492
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Speaker 1: like an hour before race day. I'm not allowed to

493
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: have any negative thoughts, any anxiety. I'm not allowed to

494
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Speaker 1: be nervous until that alarm goes off on race day.

495
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: So when like last night, I was lying down and

496
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like, I'm running a marathon in

497
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Speaker 1: a couple of days, Like I'm a little anxious, I'm

498
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Speaker 1: you know, getting excited, and I'm like, oh, it's not

499
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Speaker 1: time yet, Like it's not time to be nervous. It's

500
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Speaker 1: just time to you know, think about Okay, tomorrow, I've

501
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: got a podcast tomorrow, I've got to get dinner.

502
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Speaker 4: With these people or whatever, you know.

503
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Speaker 1: Like I'm just taking it one day at a time,

504
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: and I'm just when those things come in my head

505
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: and say, it's not time yet, it's not time to

506
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Speaker 1: have those thoughts.

507
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you're setting a hard boundary for yourself, and

508
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 2: when you do that, you're less likely to reneg on

509
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 2: the contract that you've made with yourself. All right, Yeah,

510
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 2: you're like, this is how it is now. Yeah, Yeah,

511
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 2: we don't do that. That's just not how it is.

512
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: This is how we do it exactly. And it's so

513
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Speaker 2: empowering to hear that. And I also think really humanizing

514
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: that you can admit like, but I also do have

515
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: these moments where I don't feel so shiny and so

516
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: confident and so sufially like I'm not.

517
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Speaker 4: I'm a human for sure, you know.

518
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Speaker 1: And no matter what day of the week it is,

519
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Speaker 1: twenty six point two miles is a long way. I

520
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: know what's going to be painful. I know it's going

521
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: to be hard, but it's not time yet to worry

522
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Speaker 1: about that.

523
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now you are a Minnesota girly running with the

524
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Speaker 2: Minnesota distance lead.

525
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you bet you there she is.

526
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Speaker 2: For those that aren't familiar with your experience running, I

527
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Speaker 2: do want to give a little bit more insight, especially

528
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Speaker 2: if they didn't listen to your previous episode, which I'm

529
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Speaker 2: going to link in the show notes. But I would

530
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Speaker 2: love to give a little bit more insight as to

531
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Speaker 2: how you first got started with running after your fun

532
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Speaker 2: experience with hockey. Yeah.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I went to a small Division two school.

534
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Speaker 1: It's called Northern State University. It's in the middle of Aberdeen,

535
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Speaker 1: South Dakota.

536
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Speaker 4: It was a walk on and just.

537
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Speaker 1: After like a year or so, one of my teammates

538
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: was having a lot of success and I was very

539
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say envious, because I like, I'm her,

540
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: she's my best friend. But I was very much like, oh, Sasha,

541
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Speaker 1: I can do that. I want to be able to

542
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Speaker 1: do that. So she kind of took me under her wing,

543
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Speaker 1: and you know, we stayed late after practice doing cores

544
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: and these extras, and I'd go on my easy runs

545
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: with her, and I tried to hang on to her

546
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: during workouts and she just really helped me get to

547
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Speaker 1: another level where I was qualifying for national meets.

548
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Speaker 4: I still wasn't doing that great. I mean, it's Division.

549
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Speaker 1: Two, so it's not as competitive as Division one, but

550
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: it's fairly competitive. But I wasn't getting like all Americans

551
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Speaker 1: or anything until my last year. And then when I

552
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Speaker 1: was getting close to graduating or had just graduated, my

553
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: college coach was like, you know, like what's next with running?

554
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't know.

555
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: Run a few five k's, ten k's and he's like,

556
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Speaker 1: I think you could qualify for the Olympic trials in

557
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Speaker 1: the marathon. And I was like, so this is like

558
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Speaker 1: probably like twenty seventeen, and I was like, I don't

559
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Speaker 1: even know what that means. Like I to this day,

560
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm not what I would consider myself a running nerd.

561
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Speaker 1: I know what I have to know about other runners,

562
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Speaker 1: but like I knew about like you know, like care Gouger,

563
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Speaker 1: Dus Linden and Shlaane.

564
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Speaker 4: I knew these women, but I didn't really realize there's.

565
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Speaker 1: Also kind of like the subset of women who are

566
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Speaker 1: like sublite, who kind of do it part time and

567
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Speaker 1: can still qualify for the Olympic Trials. I didn't even

568
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Speaker 1: know how you qualified for the Olympic Trials. I had

569
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Speaker 1: no idea what like a world championship was or any

570
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Speaker 1: of those things. So he I literally went into his

571
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Speaker 1: office the next day with a pen and paper and

572
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Speaker 1: he said, tell me everything you need that I need

573
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Speaker 1: to know how do I qualify for the Olympic Trials?

574
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Speaker 1: And I probably spent an hour in there just drilling,

575
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Speaker 1: like getting all the information I needed. And he had

576
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Speaker 1: a connection with Minnesota Distance Elite through an old teammate

577
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Speaker 1: of his, and we reached out to the coach, Chris

578
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Speaker 1: Lundstrom he's my coach today, and basically begged him.

579
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Speaker 4: To take me on.

580
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Speaker 1: I wasn't, like, you know, I wasn't a CHRISA. Schweitzer

581
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Speaker 1: coming out of college who like had all these opportunities

582
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Speaker 1: at Parker Velby. I was very much nobody, so I

583
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Speaker 1: quote unquote like walked on to Minnesota Distance Aly. I

584
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Speaker 1: didn't get any of their like stipend or you know,

585
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Speaker 1: medical help or anything. Basically, Coach Londo was just coaching

586
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Speaker 1: me and I could show up to practice, so, you know,

587
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Speaker 1: just over time, obviously, I proved myself a little better

588
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Speaker 1: and better every year, and in twenty I don't know,

589
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, I think I signed with them officially and

590
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Speaker 1: became a part of the team.

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Speaker 3: It is so impressive to me that you had the.

592
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Speaker 2: Awareness to remove the ego and walk back in the

593
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Speaker 2: next day with the patent paper.

594
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

595
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Speaker 2: That is something that I believe a lot of individuals

596
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: struggle with when they think something or they have a

597
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: inkling that maybe I should try this, but there is

598
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Speaker 2: so much unknown and you have to get past that

599
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Speaker 2: point where you're willing to say I don't know it

600
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Speaker 2: all and that's okay, yeah, right, because no one gets

601
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Speaker 2: to the top of the mountaintop on their own, right, right.

602
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: And after that conversation, you know, you then had a

603
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Speaker 2: new coach with Chris, and you had a team that

604
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: you worked with, and so many people, as you said before,

605
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Speaker 2: have helped you on your way to make you the

606
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Speaker 2: best that you can be. But it started with your

607
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: willingness to be like I don't know everything and that's okay.

608
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it kind of goes back to

609
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Speaker 1: that earlier conversation of like my college coach just believed

610
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Speaker 1: in me and said like, oh, I think you can

611
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: do this, which creates like that comfortable space to be like, okay,

612
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Speaker 1: so tell me more about it. And like I said,

613
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Speaker 1: I literally knew nothing and I tried to google it

614
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is so confusing. So just there

615
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Speaker 1: was just that comfortable space that I've walked in and

616
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Speaker 1: I felt okay to ask questions.

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650
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Speaker 2: are that have helped you really thrive. I would say

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Speaker 2: a very different place now than when you and I

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Speaker 4: You might have been twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in twenty twenty one, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 1: This is something that again I feel like my parents

659
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Speaker 1: ingrained in me, is I'm just a very hard worker.

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Speaker 4: Like no matter if I was doing a paralegal job.

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Speaker 1: If I am, if I would have went out of

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Speaker 1: college and taught like my how I got a degree in,

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Speaker 1: I would be doing anything I could to like the very.

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Speaker 4: Best of my ability.

665
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if if I'm vacuuming the house or

666
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: going out for a long run, Like, I want to

667
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: do everything really well. And I don't know, I just

668
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: have like a really a really strong work ethic that

669
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: I saw in both my parents my grandparents, and I

670
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: think that combination of having a good support system and

671
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: believing in myself plus being able to back it.

672
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: Up with work helps.

673
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: I'm still sitting here and I'm like, Okay, you can

674
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: be a hard worker but still not be at the

675
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: top of your sport, right, Like, you can try really hard,

676
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: so there's got to be another level too. It's like that, yes, okay,

677
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: we have ingredient one, ingredient two, but if you don't

678
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: put the yeast in the pizza dough, it's not going

679
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: to be right.

680
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: I think the yeast in the pizza dough is probably delusion.

681
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: I think it might have been Daz you said at first,

682
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: But just being like stupid enough to believe in yourself

683
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: is really like the biggest piece of the puzzle, because

684
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: if you have any doubts, if you at all are

685
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, this might not work out, like it's

686
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: not gonna you know, this is a crazy sport where

687
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: only a few people get to the top.

688
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 4: And I don't know, I think you have to just

689
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: kind of be de Lulu about it.

690
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: I think when you're Delulu also, like the first time

691
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: that you're Delulu and you see it pay off, you're like,

692
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: holy shit, why haven't I been approaching.

693
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: Everything this way?

694
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 4: Totally?

695
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: Right?

696
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

697
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: And so I mean I feel the exact same way

698
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: about this weekend, despite the fact that you and I

699
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: will be running very different races. But you know, I

700
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: came into a training cycle without any expectation, like literally

701
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: just excited for the opportunity to run twenty six point

702
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 2: two miles around my favorite place. Yeah, and then like

703
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: things just started working out in a really fun way,

704
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, well, why not me to your

705
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: point before? Why not go out there and be a

706
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: little delusional. I think it's great. I think it's so great.

707
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: And speaking of being a little delusional, you like to

708
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: engage a lot with the crowd when you're running, like

709
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: you're dialed into what you're doing in your body, but

710
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: you're also very aware. And I know this because of

711
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: your mission to find the sweet little human that was

712
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: running alongside you the paras Olympics, who you ran with

713
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: in New York recently. Yes, yeah, can you tell us

714
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: how that part happened that you guys were united here?

715
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

716
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: So for those of you who don't know the story

717
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: at thirty five k, because everything's in kilometers and Europe,

718
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: a little boy ran alongside of me in the marathon

719
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: when I was kind of going through a hard time

720
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: mentally and when I say, like, you didn't just run

721
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: alongside me for like a couple of seconds, it felt

722
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: like minutes. Like this guy he was like ten years

723
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: he's ten years old. His name is Jackson, and he

724
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: was crushing it.

725
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 4: I'm like, who is this kid?

726
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: Like somebody signed him to a contract? Now, Puma, get

727
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: on it. And I just had mentioned it in an

728
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: interview post marathon, I think with Runners World, and they

729
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: put it out there and eventually I actually had a

730
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: few people DM me and be like, that's my kid,

731
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: that's my kid. And you know, once I had a

732
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: few us a little bit like skeptical because I'm like, oh,

733
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: anybody's gonna you.

734
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: Know, can't be everybody's Yeah, it can't.

735
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 4: Be everybody's kid.

736
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: But of course people want, you know, their kid to

737
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: be in the limelight a little bit. So I finally

738
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: this his name is Terrence sent me a video of

739
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: Jackson running alongside me, and I knew immediately.

740
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 4: I saw the outfit. I knew the exact spot, So.

741
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: You know, I sent them some of my stuff because

742
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: I just felt so thankful for him, Like him being

743
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: right where he was was so important for me because

744
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: it really like kind of snapped me back, and his

745
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: cheers like actually were super helpful. And I think that's

746
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: really important for anybody cheering for a marathon, just know,

747
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: like you being out there is really important. That's why

748
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: I like to interact so much, Like twenty six point

749
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: two would be really.

750
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 4: Boring without all the crowds.

751
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: So anybody out there supporting is just like my superhero

752
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: for sure. But I've just been in contact with his

753
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: family since they live in New York, just forty five

754
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: minutes north of the city or so, so as it

755
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: was getting closer, he texted me and said that Jackson

756
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: was allowed to skip first period, which is Jim class,

757
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, So instead of going to Jim, Jackson and

758
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: I ran a couple miles around the park and we had.

759
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: Some great conversation. He's an amazing kid.

760
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: I think we got to watch out for him in

761
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: twenty like thirty six or whatever whatever Olympics.

762
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: That'll be.

763
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: Oh my god, how special is that? What a core

764
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: memory for both of you?

765
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, he is.

766
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: He's the greatest little kid too, And yeah, I'm super

767
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: grateful for him.

768
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: I also don't recall, like is running a couple of

769
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: miles at ten normal thing to do.

770
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So he's like kind of an all

771
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: star little runner. He's in a run club, and I

772
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: don't know. I was like, I know, that's what I

773
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: was like, are you going to be tired for practice

774
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: the next day? Like when's your next race? Like I

775
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: was really worried about, like, oh, we're doing it for him.

776
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: But we just took it nice and easy and had,

777
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, some good conversations.

778
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 3: Jackson, what an MVP.

779
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: Yes, that's so special to your point about it's so

780
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 2: helpful and important when people show up. I mean, we've

781
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: already reiterated the importance of your people showing up for

782
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: you when you're not on the race course. But I

783
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: do think that's a really great thing to highlight, is

784
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: that there is so much gratitude that people have for

785
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: the people that show up on the sidelines, right Really,

786
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be the same without them. And so that's

787
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: always my biggest tip, or one of them, for sure,

788
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: to anyone who may be going out there for the

789
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: first time, whether you're running a five k or a

790
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: mile or a marathon, it's like, if you have people

791
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: that are coming out to support you, do your best.

792
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 3: To know literally exactly where.

793
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 4: They're going to be.

794
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely and because you get like you get an energy

795
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 1: bowl like none other, No caffeine pill, no good, no

796
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: tail end. Whatever you're taking is going to give you

797
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: as much energy as seeing your loved ones out there.

798
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I think it's really a magical moment.

799
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: And I don't know, like they're so proud of you

800
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: for what you You know, they're going to be proud

801
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: of no matter what your result is, but they're so

802
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: proud to see you out there, and I think it's awesome.

803
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: It's so awesome. You mentioned nutrition.

804
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: I do recall that you missed a bottle at the Olympics. Yes,

805
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 2: and you spoke about how that really got in your

806
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: head for a moment. Yes, Yeah, How did you let

807
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: it go?

808
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, when you're talking about the expletive

809
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: of Slane plan again, the camera on me that have

810
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: to bleep me out completely, I was not super I'm

811
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: not super proud of how I like handled that for

812
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: a few minutes within myself though, you know, because for

813
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: a while I was like well, and then of course

814
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: my calf started to cramp not long after, and I

815
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: was like, well, it's because I didn't get my electrolytes,

816
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: and you know, you just start to spiralf and so

817
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: I I guess you just just figure it out. You know,

818
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: you start to think about, Okay, well my next bottle,

819
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna instead of just drinking half, I'll drink three

820
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: quarters of it, or I'll grab a water bottle next

821
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: time I can see it. And you just gotta you

822
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: gotta pull yourself out and know that especially for a marathon,

823
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: less so for those shorter races when you know it

824
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter what your nutrition is.

825
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 4: That stuff.

826
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: We we only get to do a marathon every now

827
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: and again, like two three times a year, pretty max.

828
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 4: You know, So you got to.

829
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: Be able to take yourself out of those dark situations

830
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: because you don't get a lot of opportunities to get

831
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: them right.

832
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: What kind of mental fitness do you do?

833
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 4: You know, I don't do anything on you know, I guess,

834
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 4: like on purpose or anything.

835
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: But every time I go out for a run, I'm

836
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: usually cycling through moments in a marathon, I think about

837
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: hard times that I had in other marathons. I think

838
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: about potential hard times I'll have in New York, for example,

839
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: going up the quiet bridges waiting for like hell and

840
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: Obiri to surge those moments like the things that are

841
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: going to be really hard, and I figure out how

842
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work through it, how I'm going to react,

843
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: what kind of mindset I'm going to have in that moment,

844
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: and I just try to play out everything as much

845
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: as possible so I have no surprises on race day.

846
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: That's that's what I always try to tell people, Like

847
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: you have hours and hours during the week to mentally

848
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: prepare for the marathon.

849
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: Right right, and that visualization really helps you get to

850
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: where you hope to be when you meet that moment.

851
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: It helps you to meet that moment.

852
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: Because when something goes weird, like if you know you

853
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: have this hard moment, you're like, oh, I already prepared

854
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: for this in my head.

855
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 4: This is what I was going to do, So here's

856
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 4: how I'm going to react.

857
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: But then there's the moment where it doesn't go as

858
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: you had hoped, like at the Olympics for me, when

859
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: I hit these huh, non intentional. When I have a

860
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: hurdle like that and I am trying to respond a

861
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: little bit more than I want to react. I am

862
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: a big just take a few seconds, and literally I'll

863
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: count to four and then I'll be like, all right, now,

864
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: what would you do? Because if I do what I

865
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: like think instinctively maybe to do in the media, it's

866
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: probably not how I would react four seconds later, totally.

867
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: And that's so helpful, right, It's just a small step back.

868
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: And I think that approach has actually instilled in me

869
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: that you always have four seconds or I mean even

870
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: take six, right, like you always have the time. It's

871
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: very rare that you don't have the time to be like,

872
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: let me just take a beat before I respond to

873
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: this email, or before I deal with the fact that

874
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 2: I don't want to go here on Thanksgiving and someone

875
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: wants me there and we need to be in five

876
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: different places like whatever it might be, you know, And

877
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: so I'm always like, you have a few seconds, yeah, yeah.

878
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 4: Especially a marathon.

879
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of time in a marathon to

880
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: figure it out, a lot of seconds.

881
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely.

882
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: I do like the concept of visualizing how you want

883
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 2: to handle the difficult moments and putting yourself in them.

884
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: And I think it is really special knowing that you

885
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: had gone previously to Paris to see the hills even

886
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: and what you would be dealing with there, it then

887
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 2: helps you. Really, I feel like it's like a level

888
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: of investment in yourself. Right, It's like, I'm going to

889
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: invest what I need to do to show up. How

890
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: I know that I want to show up so that

891
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: you can truly just be proud of whatever happens when

892
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: you're out there.

893
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Because at the end of the day, if

894
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: I were to place eightieth or whatever last is, and

895
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: I had done everything to the best of my ability,

896
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: and I had prepared properly and everything went as best

897
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: as I could have hoped for, if I were to

898
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 1: play Stadia, what's what's there to be mad about?

899
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 4: If you give it your all, you know.

900
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not saying that I'll always go back to

901
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: that all it takes is all you've got, and you're

902
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: gonna have. You're gonna have different things to give on

903
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: different days, Right. I think that that is kind of

904
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: the challenge looping back on our Delulu combo, It's like,

905
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 2: sometimes that's the challenge in me getting delusional, because I

906
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: also recognize and have this level of self awareness that

907
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 2: I want to have enough grace with myself if it's

908
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: just not the perfect storm of a Delulu dayah, Right,

909
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: Like if I have a goal A on Sunday, which

910
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: was to have a great day, Like my truly A

911
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 2: goal is to go out there and have the most

912
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: fun and embrace it and enjoy it because I have

913
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: had New York City marathons where I was too dialed

914
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: in on other things and it's just the energy and

915
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: the people and they're wonderful.

916
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,479
Speaker 3: That's the A goal.

917
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: If I go out there and run my A goal,

918
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: which is to have a great day, and then maybe

919
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: run my B goal, which could be something like a

920
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: three point thirty. If I'm in pursuit of B and

921
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like A anymore, we have to abandon B. Yeah, right,

922
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: And I feel like that's up to each of us.

923
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: Right.

924
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: It's like you can be both, Like you can see

925
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: the greatness in yourself and be willing to be a

926
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: little bit de Lulu, and then you can also be

927
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: a realist.

928
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and in a lot of ways when you're setting

929
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: your goals, you need to be a realist because you

930
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: can't ask your body to do something you didn't do

931
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: in practice right during a marathon, for sure. So I

932
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: mean it's hard because you just have to that Delulu

933
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: part is seeing like I got a glimpse of that

934
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: in practice. I saw a little bit of that from

935
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: myself in practice, so in like kind of running with

936
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: that and not me sitting here and like it would

937
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: be completely unrealistic for me to sit here and be like, yeah,

938
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: I want to run at two fifteen on Sunday, Like,

939
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: I've never seen that from myself in practice, right, So

940
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: have I seen a two twenty two in practice?

941
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 4: Absolutely, so you know glimpses of it.

942
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: It's not guaranteed, but so that would be like, you

943
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: know that where that Dululu Park comes in.

944
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 2: This is coming from the woman who said that one

945
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: of her favorite workouts and the bill to New York

946
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: City Marathon was twenty eight miles at six oh five pace.

947
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: Just for the mere mortals listening to us. That is

948
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: so impressive.

949
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 4: It was really fun too.

950
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: She had goal a angle beat. Yeah it was.

951
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 4: It was super fun. Yeah.

952
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: I love the long run and I loved to crush

953
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: the LongRun, especially because our team is a mix of

954
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: male and female. So I love to kind of go

955
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: out there and be like I'm gonna stick my nose

956
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: in it with the voice today and like make them.

957
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: You know, they call it like getting chicked or whatever,

958
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: so I like that. Uh, I get to push them too.

959
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: My mouth just agaped when she said getting chicked.

960
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what that's what they call it when guys

961
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: like get beat by girls.

962
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: Or my goodness. Also, I just caught a glimpse of

963
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: your rings tattoo.

964
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: Oh yes, oh my god.

965
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: If you got carries, yes, yes, and I went together.

966
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: She was one of the first members of Minnesota Distance

967
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: Ely so when I made the team, she was like me,

968
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go, like I want to finally go

969
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: get them.

970
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: So, oh my god, that's so special. Yeah. Do you

971
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: have any other tattoos?

972
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: I have two others, One for my mom who passed

973
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, and then when I was eighteen, I

974
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 1: got a Bible versa on my calf.

975
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing that. Yeah, what did your mom pass

976
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 2: away from lung cancer?

977
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: Okay?

978
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: How did it feel for you to get this, to

979
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 2: meet this moment without her?

980
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 4: That?

981
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: Uh one of I mean, it was one of the

982
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: most magical moments in my life, but also one of

983
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: the hardest for that reason, because she's She's actually the

984
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: reason I started running. She I played hockey growing up,

985
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: and I was super invested in hockey, but she really

986
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: believed that, you know, great athletes are good in a

987
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: lot of things and that I should broad in my horizons,

988
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: which in that moment, I was like, Mom, you hate me.

989
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 4: You don't believe in my dreams. You don't think I

990
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: can be a professional hockey player.

991
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: But it turns out Mom was right that I did

992
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: just need to broaden my horizons, make some new friends,

993
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: get some new friend groups, and yeah, I went out

994
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: for track because she was forced me to try something new,

995
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 1: and she was my biggest supporter. Like she literally knew

996
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 1: nothing about running. If she'd always say, if I'm running,

997
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm running away from something, So she just she had

998
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: no idea what was ever happening. She didn't know how

999
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: long a marathon was, She had no idea how long

1000
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: a ten k was. That they were all the same

1001
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: to her. But she was always so proud of me,

1002
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: whether I won or took last, Like if she was

1003
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: on the finish line, she was bawling.

1004
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 4: Her eyes out with fries.

1005
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: So uh, it's tough that she never got to see

1006
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: me like become a professional runner with Puma. She didn't

1007
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: get to see me when Grandma's marathon. She didn't get

1008
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: to see me make an Olympic team. Those are well

1009
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: she in my opinion, she did get to see me.

1010
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: It's just help that I didn't get to celebrate those

1011
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: moments with her.

1012
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1013
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's clear that you got your sense

1014
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: of relentless self belief from her.

1015
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Yeah, so some day I'll get to go

1016
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: to heaven and thank her for all of this.

1017
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god.

1018
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: And I'm sure all so a bit difficult considering the

1019
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: circumstances to then your small wedding, right yeah. I think

1020
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 2: that that's something a lot of people can really relate to,

1021
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: is carrying with them and holding someone so close to

1022
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 2: them who's no longer with us, and continuing to live

1023
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: in celebration of them, rather than frustration that, oh I

1024
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: wish they could be here for this. It's another both moment,

1025
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: right yeah.

1026
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: For sure both?

1027
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I for sure Mother's Day comes around and

1028
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated all day, you know. You see, I've to

1029
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: almost not be on Instagram because you get that almost

1030
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: selfishness of why do all these other people have moms?

1031
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: You know, and it's really hard, but I do know that,

1032
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: you know she's she's watching from somewhere else, and that's

1033
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: just what I have to hold on to and believe in.

1034
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: And I'm really lucky that her sister, my aunt obviously

1035
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: is growing up. She was always like a second mom

1036
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: to me, so I still have her here with me,

1037
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: and she got to like be my mom. I'm at

1038
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: my wedding, she got to come and give me away

1039
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: in a way.

1040
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 4: So it's nice to have that too.

1041
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: What do you think has been the most helpful tool

1042
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: for you in navigating your own grief.

1043
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: I not too long after I lost my mom, maybe

1044
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: a couple days after my grandpa, her dad sat me

1045
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: down and said, it's going to be like waves in

1046
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: the ocean. Sometimes they hit you really hard out of nowhere,

1047
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: and sometimes they're nice and soft. Most days, it's gonna

1048
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: get nice and soft. You're not gonna get hit by it.

1049
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: But then you're gonna smell something that's gonna remind you

1050
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: of her. It's gonna hit you like a tidal wave.

1051
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: And it's so true. Like now, it's been over four years.

1052
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: Most days, you know, I think about her probably every day,

1053
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: and most days that's fine, but every now and again,

1054
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: something will happen and I'll just lose it like it's

1055
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: like it happened yesterday. So I think that's been really

1056
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: a good When that happens, I just think of my

1057
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: grandpa and say like, oh, it's just one of those

1058
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: big ways today and that's okay. Normal, And nobody's grief

1059
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: is the same. So however, I grieved as not the

1060
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: same way my dad grieved, you know.

1061
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, exactly, And a reminder that you navigated all

1062
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: of the hard moments up until this point and you're

1063
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: still standing exactly. And so when you think of it

1064
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: that way, even in the ones where you feel as

1065
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: though you are in a dark room and incapable of

1066
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: opening the curtains and all you want is the light outside.

1067
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: Right in those moments, you say to yourself, but I've

1068
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: been here before totally and we're okay.

1069
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: And I think that goes forward to like all hard things,

1070
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: Like I've been through so many hard things in my life,

1071
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: and so when it gets hard on Sunday, I've been

1072
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: through way worse that I can get through. I can

1073
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: get through another hard moment.

1074
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: Very sure.

1075
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: What are you excited about right now?

1076
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: Aside from Sunday knowing that this airs after the big

1077
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: race foreshadow moment.

1078
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm really excited, honestly, Like, I'm very

1079
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: excited for the race, but I'm also very excited for

1080
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: after the race. This is It's been kind of a

1081
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: crazy year, so I'm very very ready for like a

1082
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 1: solid two weeks off.

1083
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 4: Of running for two weeks.

1084
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: Yes, I always take one week, but I told my coach,

1085
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: I want this to be an exception. Maybe I'll run

1086
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: in that second week, but I don't want it to

1087
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 1: be mandatory. I just want to, like, if I feel

1088
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: i'll go run with Montana, I'm sure whatever he's doing

1089
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: that week. But I'm just excited to have a step

1090
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: away from running for a little bit.

1091
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: I know that you plan out like a year or

1092
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 2: two and an ideas.

1093
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't make.

1094
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: You tell me what's on the horizon, but is there

1095
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: anything you can share?

1096
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: You know, I can always share that I'll be at

1097
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: Grandma's Marathon. I'm unsure if I'll do the marathon or

1098
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: the half this year because we have a World Championship

1099
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: in September. If I get selected, I can tell you

1100
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Speaker 1: this too. If I get selected for that team, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to take my spot. So in that case, I'd

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Speaker 1: run the half marathon at Grandma's.

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Speaker 3: But and that would be your first worlds, it.

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Speaker 4: Would be my first worlds.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'd love to go to Tokyo and be

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Speaker 1: really competitive there, but I'll do a spring mare on.

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00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: People can probably guess what's fun, but I yeah, I

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00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: love to do a marathon, so.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. They might be able to guess whusch one.

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Speaker 2: But also like, if worlds are in Tokyo, then maybe

1111
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 2: you want to go to Tokyo again. You never know,

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Speaker 2: You're totally inferring, Like you could probably guess it's going

1113
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: to be Boston, But in my head, I'm like, could

1114
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: be a really great preview.

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00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really had over. That's true. That is a

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00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 4: good point.

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00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: I'm just here to help them keep guessing.

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00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 4: With Yes, I'm just confused.

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00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 2: Right now, someone goes to your Instagram feed and they

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Speaker 2: see a woman who, in her own words, is now

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00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: a quote unquote big name, someone that is a stellar

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00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: marathon or someone who also just got married. But when

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Speaker 2: you look in the mirror, what is it that you

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00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: see looking back at you.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's a deep, deep question.

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00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 3: You're here, Okay, I'm here. She just got cozy. She's like, oh,

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00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: now we're settling in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh gosh. That's like it's so introspective. I feel

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00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: like I see somebody who loves to run, who is

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00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: living their dream. Like, I wait, you know they say like,

1131
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: you don't work a day in your life if you

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00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: do what you love. That's me, Like, that's so cliche

1133
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: and so corny, but that's one hundred percent me.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I am living a fairy tale. Just

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00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 4: married the best man on the planet. In my opinion,

1136
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 4: running's going great. Knock on wood. I've got great friends,

1137
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 4: great family.

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00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, outside of running and spending time with your partner,

1139
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: what is it that you enjoy doing the most?

1140
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Speaker 1: So that's another reason I'm excited for after the marathon.

1141
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm a big golfer and pickleball player. Which pickleball I

1142
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: really take a step back from when I'm in marathon

1143
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: training because it's a lot of lateral movement.

1144
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 4: I get sore from it. Golf not so much.

1145
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: You can kind of do that through marathon training, but

1146
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: I do taper off for sure. So I'm excited to

1147
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: like have time to do the other things that I love,

1148
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: like those those activities.

1149
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: I want to circle back to the specialness that is

1150
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 2: Jackson for a moment, because he is just an example

1151
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: of so many of the younger individuals. And I want

1152
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: to say specifically also young women that now look up

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00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: to you and they're like, I want to be like Dakota.

1154
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: When I say that to you, how does that make

1155
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: you feel?

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00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 4: It's crazy for sure.

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00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a hard time putting yourself in this

1158
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: box of like I looked up to Daz or I

1159
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: looked up to.

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00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 4: Especially like care Gaucher.

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00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: As a Minnesotan, it's hard for me to put myself

1162
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: in this box of like, oh, people are going to say, like, oh,

1163
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 1: I looked up to Dakota. But it makes every hard

1164
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 1: day of running worth it. Like if I can inspire

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00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: one little kid to keep going, if I can inspire

1166
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 1: one college walk on to really give it there all,

1167
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: or you know, try for the Olympic Trials after college,

1168
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: that makes every hard mile, every hard.

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00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 4: Day worth it for me.

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Speaker 2: If you had to sit down with someone and bring

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00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: your notebook and learn something new these days, is there

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00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: anything that you're interested in exploring that you haven't done

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00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: so yet.

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00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say the world of ultra.

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Speaker 1: I think that's like a little foreshadowing for in a

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00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: few years. I would love to get into that world.

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00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: I'd love to learn more about how you train for that.

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00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm wanna take down Des London's world record.

1179
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, we just need to get

1180
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: you and Dez together and have a chat.

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00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

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00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: I think that's a world that I know very little about,

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00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: and I would love to learn more. And I think

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00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: place to my strong suit. So yeah, I want to

1185
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: have some world records to.

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00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 4: My name it.

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00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 3: You know.

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00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, after watching Chicago, I know that's not going to

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Speaker 1: happen in the marathon.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that was so fast.

1191
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: But so I think I'm gonna have to look more

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00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: towards the fifty k fifty mile.

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00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: Wow, But there was a time when you weren't quite

1194
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 2: yet at the marathon distance that I'm sure you had

1195
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 2: some of those same feelings, right, you're like twenty six

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00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: miles five k, ten k sure, but twenty six yea.

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00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: So it's the same vibe and you've done quite well here.

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00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: Anything else you want to do before you New York?

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00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 2: As if I'm running this marathon.

1201
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: You know, I want to go get some good New

1202
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 1: York pizza, get some good beer on old fashion.

1203
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 4: I'm excited to let loose for sure.

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00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so excited, so hard, so hard

1205
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: fought and very well deserved. I will be thinking of

1206
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: you over the weekend of you.

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00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god. And Jackson, I'm do you know

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00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: where he's going to be on the course.

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00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,439
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be around mile twenty one.

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00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: Oh so, well, make sure you have exact coordinates. We

1211
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: need to know northwest corner, northeast corner.

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00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I could hear him anywhere they're

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00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: trying to go, specifically where it's pretty quiet.

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00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, that's up the fifth Avenue. Help on twenty one.

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00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: That might be it's on the way, it's you're on

1216
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: the way there, I know exactly. It's good. It's a

1217
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: good area. Well, I will to look for Jackson. Yes,

1218
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: right now, you have an opportunity to offer yourself a

1219
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 2: piece of advice. I want to go back to when

1220
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: your mom pushed you into running, and you're this hockey

1221
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 2: girl who is so determined to go one way, so

1222
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: determined to go right when somebody else important do you

1223
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: want to you to go to left knowing what you

1224
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: know now and seeing everything that you've done. What would

1225
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: you tell that younger version of yourself?

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00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 4: I would say, listen to your mom.

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00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: She literally always knows what's best and you're gonna have

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00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: to like eat your words later that you say to her.

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00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, just like buckle up, try something new. You

1230
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: just don't know where it's going to take you. And

1231
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: she was right, like great athletes are great a lot

1232
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: of things, so you just never know what's going to happen.

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00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: You never know.

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00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: I'm so happy and like so grateful that we were

1235
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: finally able to sit down one on one and again

1236
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 2: I'll be cheering for you this weekend.

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00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: For those that don't follow along with you just yet,

1239
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: how do they keep up with you on social? Give

1240
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 2: us the info?

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00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah I am now I'm stuckond guessing it. I'm either

1242
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: Dakota Lindworm or Dakota Popaine on Instagram.

1243
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 4: I switched it. I think my handle's technically still Dakota.

1244
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: Lindworm Okay, let me check, and then I changed my

1245
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: name to Dakota Popain.

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00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 3: You are yes, you did?

1247
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 4: Yes?

1248
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: Oh wow? Do you think you'll keep the handle.

1249
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: At some point I'll change a handle verified on Instagram,

1250
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: so I've got to like, this is something I didn't know.

1251
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: You have to submit your photo ID to get verified,

1252
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: like I had to send them a picture. So once

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00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 1: I get my actual Dakota unquo pain, then I'll sweat

1254
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: check because I don't want to lose my check mark.

1255
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 3: Of course not. We need to keep the check mark.

1256
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 4: I fought hard for that thing.

1257
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: So small time, big time athletes need checkmarks.

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00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am over at Emily a Bodi and at

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00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Another Hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time