WEBVTT - Introducing Pulse: The Untold Story

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Alphabet Boys listeners, this is Trevor Aronson. I'm here

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you about a new series from me and

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<v Speaker 1>Western Sound, Pulse the Untold Story. It's an eight episode

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<v Speaker 1>investigation of the Pulse night club shooting that will leave

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<v Speaker 1>you wondering if anything you've heard about this case is true.

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<v Speaker 1>The series is available exclusively on Audible. In a gay

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<v Speaker 1>night club in Orlando on June twelfth, twenty sixteen, Omar

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<v Speaker 1>Matin murdered forty nine people in wounded fifty three others.

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<v Speaker 1>The attack was the deadliest act of violence against the

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<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ plus community in US history, and the deadliest terrorist

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<v Speaker 1>attack in the United States since nine to eleven. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's a story you haven't heard. The FBI had a

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<v Speaker 1>secret history with the shooter and his father. To obscure

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<v Speaker 1>that history, the FBI pushed a false story that the

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<v Speaker 1>media dutifully carried, that the attacker was a secretly gay

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<v Speaker 1>Islamist extremist who had chosen to target Pulse and plan

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<v Speaker 1>the attack for weeks. In Pulse the Untold Story, I

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<v Speaker 1>uncover the volatile relationship between the shooter and his father

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<v Speaker 1>and how their troubled interactions with the FBI lead to

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<v Speaker 1>one disturbing question. Could the FBI have prevented the massacre?

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<v Speaker 1>You're about to hear the first episode. To listen to

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<v Speaker 1>On June twelfth, twenty sixteen, Omar Matine calls nine to

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<v Speaker 1>one one and speaks with an operator Emerson.

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<v Speaker 2>I want this is DOCTA. Line's very recorded.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen.

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<v Speaker 4>What's that I'm working out of?

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<v Speaker 2>Stood in there?

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<v Speaker 4>I want to let you know I'm in Orlando.

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<v Speaker 5>Then I did the shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your name?

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<v Speaker 4>My name is I pledge of allegiance to Adakhadaddy of

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<v Speaker 4>the Islamic State.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what's your name.

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<v Speaker 4>I've pledge my allegiance to Abu Baker al Daha. Daddy

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<v Speaker 4>has to do law on behad of the Islamic State.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are you at in Orlando?

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<v Speaker 5>Where?

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<v Speaker 2>In Orlando?

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<v Speaker 1>Omar is inside a bathroom at Pulse, a gay nightclub

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<v Speaker 1>in Orlando, Florida. Just minutes earlier, he'd slaughtered dozens of

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<v Speaker 1>people with an assault rifle and a handgun.

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<v Speaker 2>Two forty eight am.

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<v Speaker 1>Police are now desperately trying to call Omar. There are

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<v Speaker 1>people trapped inside the bathroom with the shooter. Some are dead,

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<v Speaker 1>they're blood pooling on the tile floor. Others are alive

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<v Speaker 1>but wounded. The survivors are motionless, pretending to be dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Hellas, hello there, Hi, there, this is Orlando police. Who

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<v Speaker 2>am I speaking with police?

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<v Speaker 4>You're speaking as the person who toasted allegiance to the

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<v Speaker 4>Islamic state of the Ember aboudity put.

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<v Speaker 1>As Omar talks to a hostage negotiator, he reveals his.

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<v Speaker 2>Motive to do is prevent anybody else the US air strikes.

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<v Speaker 4>They need to stop the US air strikes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I understand.

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<v Speaker 4>You need to stop the US air strikes. You have

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<v Speaker 4>to tell the US governments to stop bombing. Are killing

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<v Speaker 4>too many children, are killing too many women, and they

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<v Speaker 4>stand that. I feel the pain of the people getting

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<v Speaker 4>killed in Syria.

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<v Speaker 2>In all over than in the pas. Okay, So so

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<v Speaker 2>I've just done something about that. Yes, I tell me

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<v Speaker 2>what you did? Please you already know what I did. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>Figure out Omar matein murdered forty nine people and injured

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<v Speaker 1>fifty three others. His horrific rampage ended with his own death.

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<v Speaker 1>A police officer shot him in the head three hours

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<v Speaker 1>after his attack began. You like know about this, You've

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<v Speaker 1>heard the story. Most people are familiar with the Pulse

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<v Speaker 1>nightclub shooting. But the story I'm about to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>here is different because most of what you've heard about

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<v Speaker 1>Pulse is wrong. I'm Trevor Aronson from Western Sound. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Pulse, the Untold Story, an audible original episode, One

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<v Speaker 1>Needle and a Haystack.

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<v Speaker 6>It was a beautiful nightclub with two sections in it.

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<v Speaker 6>You know where the dancers were and a DJ in

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<v Speaker 6>one section and the main dance floor DJ there.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a man named Orlando Taurus, and he knows

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<v Speaker 1>the Pulse Nightclub well. Orlando has been going to the

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<v Speaker 1>club for more than ten years and he's become a

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<v Speaker 1>promoter of Latin Night. The night Omar Matine walks into Pulse,

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<v Speaker 1>It's Latin Night, It's Orlando's night, his event. Just before

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<v Speaker 1>last call, Orlando and a friend head to the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>They take a backway. Not a lot of people know.

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<v Speaker 6>About because, as I'm well known, I gotta always say

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<v Speaker 6>hello everybody, or you know, it's just never got to

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<v Speaker 6>get to the bathroom. You ain't got time to say

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<v Speaker 6>hello hello. Everybody stops show. You haven't seen one for

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<v Speaker 6>a while while you've been you know, so I took

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<v Speaker 6>the backway.

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<v Speaker 1>Orlando goes into the lady's room. The bathrooms that pulse

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<v Speaker 1>are marked men's and women's, but the signs don't really

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<v Speaker 1>mean anything. Anyone can use either bathroom.

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<v Speaker 6>All of a sudden, you know, I'm hearing pop pop pop.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, sounds very sharp and clear, crisp, crispy clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Orlando and his friend rush into a bathroom stall and

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<v Speaker 1>close the door. The two men climb up on the toilet,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping not to be seen.

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<v Speaker 6>If it was a gunman shooting out there, he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>see our feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Orlando props his butt on the toilet and then presses

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<v Speaker 1>his feet against the door in front of him. His

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<v Speaker 1>friend sits on the side of the toilet and lifts

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<v Speaker 1>his feet up. Orlando hears more gunshots. They're getting closer.

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<v Speaker 1>He also hears people running into the bathroom looking frantically

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<v Speaker 1>for a place to hide. Another clubgoer inside the same

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<v Speaker 1>bathroom calls nine one one.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello, God, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Arnest with their Land Police department on a record

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<v Speaker 2>a line you've phoned on nine one one? Is everything?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, please of the poll p U L

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<v Speaker 2>s E in Orlando for the shooting that he give

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<v Speaker 2>me how many people? How many people are shooting?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's too I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in the bathroom a bunch of people and he's

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<v Speaker 2>shooting at everybody is leaving everywhere. Okay, from what you

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<v Speaker 2>can see, did you see the description and as see

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<v Speaker 2>white reppers, Hispanic you can pay, sant can home.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, We're gonna go some hills for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you tell me anything that they weren't wearing.

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<v Speaker 2>Nona's am with you now stand A'm gonna do this.

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<v Speaker 7>Sus on the phone with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't hang up, stay on the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>The shooter enters the bathroom an assault rifle in his hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Orlando quietly pulls out his phone and I started recording.

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<v Speaker 6>I pressed my video record.

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<v Speaker 5>You can't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You can hear Orlando breathing as Omar in the background

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<v Speaker 1>speaks to the hostage negotiator. Omar says he's planted a bomb,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's bluffing away inside the bathroom. Cell phones are ringing,

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<v Speaker 1>the shooting has just hit the news, and concerned family

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<v Speaker 1>and friends are calling their loved ones. The attack at

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<v Speaker 1>the Pulse nightclub has been described many ways the deadliest

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist attack since nine to eleven, the deadliest mass shooting

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<v Speaker 1>in modern US history, which it was at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but is no longer lest attack on a gay community

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<v Speaker 1>in US history, which it still is. I've been working

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<v Speaker 1>as a journalist here in Florida for two decades. For

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<v Speaker 1>much of that time, I've been covering with a critical eye,

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<v Speaker 1>the Federal Bureau of Investigation the FBI, the agency tasked

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<v Speaker 1>with the very difficult job of preventing terrorist tax and

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<v Speaker 1>mass shootings. I remember waking up that June morning at

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<v Speaker 1>my home in Saint Petersburg, Florida, just a two hour

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<v Speaker 1>drive from where the murders occurred, and seeing the images

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<v Speaker 1>on the news, police and emergency vehicles, their lights ablaze,

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<v Speaker 1>Patrons bloodied and shaken sitting on curbs and in nearby

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<v Speaker 1>parking lots, bodies on the ground covered with drapes to

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<v Speaker 1>give the deceased final dignity.

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<v Speaker 8>There are more than a list of names. There are

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<v Speaker 8>people who loved and were loved. There are people at

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<v Speaker 8>families and friends and dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>The tragedy becomes a national news event, with CNN's Anderson

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<v Speaker 1>Cooper on the scene hours after the attack. He reads

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<v Speaker 1>out the names of the victims.

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<v Speaker 8>Juan Ramon Gyerrero, his cousin, said, Juan came out to

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<v Speaker 8>his family just this year. I was afraid they might

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<v Speaker 8>not accept him, but they did.

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<v Speaker 9>He was twenty two.

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<v Speaker 8>Christopher Andrew, known as Drew.

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<v Speaker 9>He was Jan's boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 10>Well.

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<v Speaker 7>The shooter has been identified, of course, as Omar Mattein.

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<v Speaker 1>Journalists quickly framed the shooting as an act of terrorism.

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<v Speaker 7>In one of the early press conferences around seven am

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<v Speaker 7>this morning, you had an FBI official say that early

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<v Speaker 7>leads suggest that he was motivated by jihadist ideology.

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<v Speaker 1>But terrorism was only one motive. Were soon told Omar

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<v Speaker 1>also suffered from an intense internal conflict.

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<v Speaker 11>Our team, with new reporting as well on the gunman's

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<v Speaker 11>secret life.

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<v Speaker 1>Reporters and law enforcement broadcast that the shooter was also

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<v Speaker 1>secretly gay.

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<v Speaker 11>A former classmate is now coming forward. Also, patrons of

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<v Speaker 11>that Orlando nightclub, saying he'd been there many times before

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<v Speaker 11>and that he'd been on gay dating apps, and the

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<v Speaker 11>question now was he hiding a life at odds with

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<v Speaker 11>his strict faith.

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<v Speaker 1>This narrative took root because it seemed to make this

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<v Speaker 1>senseless tragedy makes sense. Several news organizations bring forward men

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<v Speaker 1>claiming to have had relationships with Omar, including one man

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<v Speaker 1>disguised with prosthetics and makeup his voice altered.

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<v Speaker 6>You had a relationship with Omar Martin?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I have a relationship with Oma Martin.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you have sex with him?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I do.

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<v Speaker 1>It all begins to add up. Attacking a gay nightclub

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<v Speaker 1>in Orlando allowed Omar to end the war inside of him.

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<v Speaker 1>Loretta Lynch, then the Attorney General, also endorses the narrative

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<v Speaker 1>that Omar had targeted Pulse because it was a gay club.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot tell you definitively that we will ever narrow

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<v Speaker 1>it down to one motivation. People often act out of

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<v Speaker 1>more than one motivation. This was clearly an active terror

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<v Speaker 1>and an active hate. A flood of reports followed, claiming

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<v Speaker 1>that Omar was secretly gay and had been to Pulse

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<v Speaker 1>in the past.

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<v Speaker 8>Well sources, including the hometown newspaper here, The Orlando Central,

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<v Speaker 8>are now reporting that this was no the shooter's first

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<v Speaker 8>time at the Pulse nightclub. The Central reports that at

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<v Speaker 8>least four regular customers had seen him there before one

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<v Speaker 8>of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Cities, but none of this is true. Omar Matin, the shooter,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't secretly gay. The FBI knew a lot about Omar

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<v Speaker 1>Matine for years before his mass shooting at Pulse. Federal

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<v Speaker 1>agents had investigated Omar twice based on concerns that he

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<v Speaker 1>might be a security threat, and the FBI promptly closed

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<v Speaker 1>both investigations. And that's because Omar Matin's father was a

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<v Speaker 1>confidential informant for the FBI. Sadik Matin secretly provided information

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<v Speaker 1>to federal agents for more than a decade. Sadik's work

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to help the FBI identify potential terrorists, and

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<v Speaker 1>then his son kills forty nine people and claims to

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<v Speaker 1>pledge allegiance to a terrorist organization. Omar becomes the very

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<v Speaker 1>type of terrorist the FBI pays his father to fined.

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<v Speaker 1>For Sadik, this has the potential to threaten his livelihood

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<v Speaker 1>after his own son commits the deadliest terrorist attack in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States since nine to eleven, So Sadik takes

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<v Speaker 1>action just hours after the mass shooting, Omar's father starts

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<v Speaker 1>the false narrative that his son hated gay people and

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<v Speaker 1>targeted Pulse because it was a gay club.

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<v Speaker 6>Did he ever talk about homosexuality except one time that

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<v Speaker 6>we were in Miami we saw the behavior.

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<v Speaker 9>Of one couple and he got a little.

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<v Speaker 11>Bit ticked off.

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<v Speaker 3>What did he say?

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<v Speaker 10>Nothing, just look at this, and what did you say?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, there are two guys work kissing each other in

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<v Speaker 9>front of the family and the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And this false narrative has a convenient effect. It allows

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI to avoid accountability. The day after the attack,

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<v Speaker 1>FBI Director James Comy claims the bureau has done nothing wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't see anything in reviewing our work that our

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<v Speaker 9>agents should have done differently. But we'll look at it

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<v Speaker 9>in an open, an honest way and be transparent about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI has never been transparent about its failings, and

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<v Speaker 1>the bureau has never explained how federal agents let a

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<v Speaker 1>mass murderer slip through their fingers, not once, but twice.

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<v Speaker 1>As a journalist, I've covered the FBI's pursuit of alleged

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<v Speaker 1>terrorists for over fifteen years. My focus has been on

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI's use of sting operations, in which the FBI,

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<v Speaker 1>using an undercover agent or a paid informant, pretends to

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<v Speaker 1>be a terrorist and offers the opportunity for a would

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<v Speaker 1>be terrorist to move forward in an attack. The FBI

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<v Speaker 1>provides everything the targets of their stings need, money, transportation,

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<v Speaker 1>prop guns, and fake bombs, sometimes even the ideas for

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<v Speaker 1>the attacks. Since nine eleven, the FBI has napped more

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<v Speaker 1>than three hundred and fifty people in aggressive terrorism stings.

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<v Speaker 1>The overwhelming majority of these people didn't know an actual terrorist,

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<v Speaker 1>only the FBI agent or informant pretending to be one,

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<v Speaker 1>and many of the accused were easily manipulated due to

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<v Speaker 1>financial desperation or mental illness. The primary way the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>finds targets of these stings is through informants, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are more than fifteen thousand FBI informants today. They work

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<v Speaker 1>for the bureau in exchange for leniency on criminal charges

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<v Speaker 1>or to make money. FBI informants can make inexcess of

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<v Speaker 1>six figures a year. That's what Omar Matin's father, Sadiq,

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<v Speaker 1>was doing for more than a decade, providing information to

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI for counter terrorism investigations. The FBI has maintained

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<v Speaker 1>publicly that terrorism stings are necessary to keep Americans safe

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<v Speaker 1>to take off the street would be terrorists before they

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<v Speaker 1>have an opportunity to meet a real terrorist who might

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<v Speaker 1>help them launch an attack. The FBI's argument is plausible,

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<v Speaker 1>but hypothetical. It's never really happened. There's never been a

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<v Speaker 1>case of a would be terrorist with no connections, no money,

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<v Speaker 1>no weapons, suddenly happening upon an ISIS or all kind

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<v Speaker 1>of operative who provides all three. Hey, there would be terrorist.

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<v Speaker 1>How about a bomb? So I've wondered if the FBI's

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<v Speaker 1>counter terrorism strategy actually makes us less safe by distracting

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<v Speaker 1>federal agents from real threats. It's a theory that's difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to prove, but I started thinking more about this following

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<v Speaker 1>a trip to Chicago in February twenty twenty. This was

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<v Speaker 1>only a few years ago, but now seems like a

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<v Speaker 1>different time. What I didn't know then, what no one

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<v Speaker 1>knew then, was that in just a month's time a

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic would put much of the United States in lockdown.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I also didn't know then was that I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be here telling you about why I was in Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>in February twenty twenty. That's because I never expected to

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<v Speaker 1>report on or write about any of this. I was

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago to attend an event hosted by the Muslim

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<v Speaker 1>Legal Fund, a nonprofit that funds legal defenses in cases

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<v Speaker 1>of abuse of prosecutions under anti terrorism laws. At this event,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd soon meet the person authorities said could have stopped

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<v Speaker 1>the Pulse shooting but didn't. Two years earlier, in twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Nor Salman, the widow of the Pulse nightclub shooter Omar Matin,

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<v Speaker 1>won an acquittal at trial. The Justice Department alleged that

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<v Speaker 1>Nor assisted with the planning of Omar's attack and provided

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<v Speaker 1>misleading statements to investigators. Federal prosecutor's evidence included a lengthy

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<v Speaker 1>and detailed confession written by an FBI agent and signed

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<v Speaker 1>by Nor less than twelve hours after the shooting, but

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<v Speaker 1>a federal jury rejected the confession as coerced and false,

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<v Speaker 1>along with the rest of the evidence the Justice Department presented.

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<v Speaker 1>Nor's acquittal was extraordinary. In the two decades after the

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<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven attacks, Muslims charged with terrorism in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States have faced daunting odds before juries of their Peers.

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<v Speaker 1>Nearly one thousand people have been charged under anti terrorism

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<v Speaker 1>law since nine one eleven, and just three people, including Nor,

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<v Speaker 1>have been acquitted at trial. Just three people. Tonight, nor

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<v Speaker 1>Selman leaving the courthouse without a word.

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<v Speaker 9>Outrage from victims' families.

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<v Speaker 1>Nor's acquittal made national news, with much of the coverage

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<v Speaker 1>focused on the gay communities, outrage that she had not

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<v Speaker 1>been held accountable.

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<v Speaker 9>She knew that her husband was doing what he was doing,

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<v Speaker 9>and shame on her.

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<v Speaker 8>I am in this belief is to feel like we've

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<v Speaker 8>been slapped in the face.

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<v Speaker 1>At this conference in Chicago, Nor was scheduled to speak

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<v Speaker 1>what was to be her first public comments since her acquittal.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a reception beforehand, and people were milling about

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<v Speaker 1>talking to old friends and colleagues. I saw Nor off

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<v Speaker 1>to the side at a table with her son. She

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<v Speaker 1>looked uncomfortable, so I walked over and introduced myself. She

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<v Speaker 1>was wearing a black d that matched her long black hair.

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<v Speaker 1>We exchanged small talk. She told me about her son,

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<v Speaker 1>who was just a couple of years older than my daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>and she confessed that she was nervous. I've never given

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<v Speaker 1>a speech before. Nor told me blur out the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>in your mind, as if you're looking into a camera

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<v Speaker 1>that's out of focus. I suggested, that's what I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, she said softly. I just don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to do any of this. As Nor confided in me,

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<v Speaker 1>I looked over to see her son sitting at the table,

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<v Speaker 1>his head stooped over a Nintendo switch. He was playing Fortnite,

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<v Speaker 1>what was then and continues to be the world's most

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<v Speaker 1>popular video game. In the game, you battle other players

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<v Speaker 1>with an arsenal of weapons handguns, shotguns, machine guns, rocket launchers.

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<v Speaker 1>Nora's son, Omar's son was sitting there, navigating the video game,

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<v Speaker 1>with his character firing round after round from a gun

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<v Speaker 1>very similar to the one his father youth. I found

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<v Speaker 1>this moment simultaneously confusing and enraging. How could he play

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<v Speaker 1>this game here? How could she allow him to play it?

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking all this as Nor stood there next

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<v Speaker 1>to me, vulnerable, describing how she was so nervous about

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<v Speaker 1>what she needed to do, but how she was shy,

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<v Speaker 1>how she lacked confidence, and how she wasn't sure if

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<v Speaker 1>she just freeze up when placed in front of people.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized then that I was being unfair Nor in

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<v Speaker 1>her son didn't kill anyone. They weren't responsible. Against extraordinary odds,

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<v Speaker 1>the federal jury acquitted her. I also realized that I

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<v Speaker 1>allowed my assumptions about her and what happened to color

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion. But I wasn't the only one. Many Americans

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<v Speaker 1>did this, assumed that she was somehow responsible and had

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<v Speaker 1>gotten away with it. Wife should have known. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>us were guilty of thinking that. A part of me,

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<v Speaker 1>deep down wanted to blame Nor. A little bit later

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<v Speaker 1>that evening in Chicago, I took one of Nor's lawyers aside.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Swift was dressed in a suit, his tie not

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<v Speaker 1>slightly loosened, and he stared at me intensely through his glasses.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie leaned in toward me, uncomfortably close. He has a

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<v Speaker 1>habit of doing this. He's a close talker.

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<v Speaker 5>About a month in they turned over and we located

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<v Speaker 5>inside the discovery Omar matined and Nora Solomon's cell phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Records, Charlie's describing how the Justice Department gave him the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence in Nor's case. Nor's supposed confession made a few

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<v Speaker 1>specific claims that Omar targeted Pulse in advance, that she

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<v Speaker 1>and Omar had previously surveiled the club and that she

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<v Speaker 1>was aware of his plans for the attack, But data

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<v Speaker 1>transmitted by Omar's phone and Norris phone didn't support any

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<v Speaker 1>of that.

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<v Speaker 5>We'd identified that tower by the pulse. It's pretty close,

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<v Speaker 5>and we went and looked for that tower in either

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<v Speaker 5>of their cell phone records and it didn't exist, not

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<v Speaker 5>until the night of the shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>The phone tower closest to Pulse had communicated with Omar's

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<v Speaker 1>phone only on the night of the shooting, and it

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<v Speaker 1>had never communicated with Norris phone. So Charlie hired an

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<v Speaker 1>expert to analyze data from the tower and the phones.

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<v Speaker 5>He was able to tell beyond that, okay, which direction

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<v Speaker 5>is it receiving. He was able to tell the speed

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<v Speaker 5>at which they were traveling. He was able to find

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<v Speaker 5>fragments inside it on directions and searches that were there

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<v Speaker 5>from that night. And he calls us back a week

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<v Speaker 5>later and he goes, he did never search for the pulse,

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<v Speaker 5>and he drove by it at random. And I go, Richard,

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<v Speaker 5>that's a provocative statement. Can you prove that? He goes

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<v Speaker 5>come to Florida. So I got on a plane and

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<v Speaker 5>I flew to Florida, and he put up the first

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<v Speaker 5>of a PowerPoint that would be admitted at trial, perfected,

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<v Speaker 5>and I go, oh my god, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>What Charlie and his defense team discovered was completely at

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<v Speaker 1>odds with the public's understanding of what happened. The cell

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<v Speaker 1>phone data revealed that Omar took a random route to

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<v Speaker 1>Pulse and suggested that he chose the club as his

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<v Speaker 1>target at the last minute. The data also appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>prove that there was no way that Nor's confession could

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<v Speaker 1>be true. Omar may not have even realized Pulse was

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<v Speaker 1>a gay club when he walked in with an assault rifle.

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<v Speaker 1>Why has the false narrative that Omar was secretly gay

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<v Speaker 1>and specifically targeted Pulse persisted because that narrative has been

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<v Speaker 1>useful for the government.

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<v Speaker 5>They had excuses, it's part of an ongoing investigation, blah

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<v Speaker 5>blah blah. But they would allow facts that were they

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<v Speaker 5>knew to be false to continue to circulate in the

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<v Speaker 5>media because it hit their narrative. It's an easy narrative.

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<v Speaker 5>When you first heard it, you heard there's been a

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<v Speaker 5>mass shooting at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, and

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<v Speaker 5>they led with gay nightclub. Your immediate part was somebody

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<v Speaker 5>who hates gay and lesbian persons. Perhaps your first picture

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<v Speaker 5>was not of a Muslim. Perhaps your first picture was

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<v Speaker 5>of some right wing militia that thought gay people should die.

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<v Speaker 5>Because there have been so many of that in the news,

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<v Speaker 5>so you're putting together the facts for it. Then you hear, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>he's a Muslim. Well, okay, they hate gays too. Your

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<v Speaker 5>mind flashes to these reports that Muslims in extremist countries

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<v Speaker 5>have executed, killed, murdered gay people.

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<v Speaker 1>That night in Chicago, Charlie told me that I needed

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<v Speaker 1>to look into the case, that this was really a

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<v Speaker 1>story about FBI accountability.

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<v Speaker 5>The FBI is extraordinarily sophisticated when it comes to pr

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<v Speaker 5>and it is months, sometimes years, before we learn of

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<v Speaker 5>malfeasance in many cases, or problems on it. They hide

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<v Speaker 5>it brilliantly.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the conference, nor stood up in

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<v Speaker 1>front of everyone to speak. Through tears. She was able

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<v Speaker 1>to read a few lines from notes as Charlie stood

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<v Speaker 1>beside her.

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<v Speaker 10>There are my case. My family suffered so much. My

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<v Speaker 10>mother's he hell disoriented, my uncle who was here with me,

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<v Speaker 10>lost so much weight, and my sister was bullied at school,

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<v Speaker 10>but they stood by me, just as all of you

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<v Speaker 10>are staying with me today.

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<v Speaker 1>A year or so after the Chicago conference, I started

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<v Speaker 1>reviewing the government's case against Norsalman, pouring over transcripts and exhibits,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was examining other cases too, the local investigations

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI was conducting when agents weren't investigating Omar Matin.

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<v Speaker 1>Through an examination of the Pulse nightclub shooting and what

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI did and didn't do, I was coming to

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<v Speaker 1>realize that the Bureau has had a very good reason

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<v Speaker 1>for wanting to hide behind a false narrative. The FBI's

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<v Speaker 1>entire program to identify and thwart would be terrorists actually

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<v Speaker 1>makes us less safe. The Pulse nightclub shooting happened not

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<v Speaker 1>in spite of the FBI's efforts to stop such attacks,

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<v Speaker 1>but because of those efforts.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's like twenty five people that are Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>is like the biggest mass shooting fucking way worse.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from police body camera footage in the minutes

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<v Speaker 1>after the Pulse nightclub shooting, the responding officers are comparing

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<v Speaker 1>this mass shooting to one that happened seven months earlier

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<v Speaker 1>in San Bernardino, there's just twenty five people.

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<v Speaker 11>Done you ever prere shoppy people dying in that?

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<v Speaker 10>One?

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<v Speaker 2>Can never any nice? Nine nine.

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<v Speaker 1>When the Pulse nightclub shooting happened in June twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the deadliest mass shooting in American history. That

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<v Speaker 1>distinction only lasted for a little more than a year

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<v Speaker 1>until October twenty seventeen, when a gun ma on the

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<v Speaker 1>thirty second floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel in Las

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas fired more than one thousand bullets into a music

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<v Speaker 1>festival below, killing sixty people in wounding more than four hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>We live in an age of mass shootings, and the

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<v Speaker 1>agency task with a difficult job of preventing them is

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI. That isn't just because the FBI is the

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<v Speaker 1>nation's top law enforcement agency. Following the nine to eleven attacks,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI's top priority became counter terrorism, including stopping high

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<v Speaker 1>casualty incidents like mass shootings before they happen. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>understandably difficult job, but the FBI has vast powers meant

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<v Speaker 1>to make that job possible, specifically, a post nine to

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<v Speaker 1>eleven power known as an assessment, that allows the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>to investigate anyone for just about any reason, so long

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<v Speaker 1>as agents believe that person might be a security threat.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, if an FBI agent comes across an

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<v Speaker 1>anonymous social media post claiming that a specific person is

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<v Speaker 1>planning a mass shooting, that's all that's needed to launch

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<v Speaker 1>an investigation, no reasonable suspicion required. As is typically the

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<v Speaker 1>case for opening criminal investigations, FBI agents are looking for

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<v Speaker 1>what they term leakage, when would be shooters intentionally or

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<v Speaker 1>unintentionally reveal clues about their murderous plans. But based on

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<v Speaker 1>cases we know details about, the bureau doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>best track record. After the mass shooting at Marjorie Stone

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<v Speaker 1>and Douglas High School in Florida in twenty eighteen, in

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<v Speaker 1>which seventeen people were killed and seventeen others injured, the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI acknowledged that agents had received a tip reporting that

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<v Speaker 1>the future shooter was planning such an attack that our

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<v Speaker 1>agents ignored the tip. More recently, in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>you a mass shooting in Colorado Springs drew comparisons to

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<v Speaker 1>the one at.

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<v Speaker 12>Pulse just before midnight last night in Colorado Springs, at

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<v Speaker 12>a nightclub known as one of the safest places in

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<v Speaker 12>town for the LGBTQ community. At first, people on the

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<v Speaker 12>dance floor thought the gunshots were part of the music,

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<v Speaker 12>stunned to realize it was gunfire and I'm hearing about The.

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<v Speaker 1>Club Q gunman was tackled by a patron, preventing what

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<v Speaker 1>would have otherwise been a deadlier attack. Five people were killed.

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<v Speaker 1>The murderer ran a neo Nazi website, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>motivated by hatred for gay people. In that case, the

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<v Speaker 1>gunman's family had reported to the FBI the previous year

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<v Speaker 1>that he was building a bomb and making death threats.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI opened an investigation of the man, but closed

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<v Speaker 1>that investigation less than a month later. Instead, the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>in Colorado Springs ran sting operations against racial justice activists.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Brandon Kimpball with Drew Rosen and the detective Love

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<v Speaker 2>and at the FBI Colorados Brings Out office.

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<v Speaker 1>In a recorded conversation with one of the activists just

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<v Speaker 1>a few months before the Club Q shooting, an agent

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledged what the FBI was doing and then said this

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<v Speaker 1>as if predicting the future.

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<v Speaker 9>We want to keep everybody safe. It's just obviously our

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<v Speaker 9>we'd like to say, our successes generally don't make the

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<v Speaker 9>news is and we screw up, it's because something went

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<v Speaker 9>boom or there is a mass shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's unique about Pulse, beyond the scale of the tragedy,

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<v Speaker 1>is that it was a mass shooting that the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>made promises about. The bureau promised that agents would give

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<v Speaker 1>us a full accounting of what happened and whether the

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<v Speaker 1>attack could have been prevented.

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<v Speaker 11>All right, good afternoon, everyone, and thank thank you all

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<v Speaker 11>for being here today.

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<v Speaker 1>The day after the pulsnight club shooting, FBI Director James

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<v Speaker 1>Comy joined Sally Yates, the Deputy Attorney General, in a

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<v Speaker 1>press conference.

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<v Speaker 11>We're here to discuss the Justice Department's response to this

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<v Speaker 11>stunning and unconscionable acts in Orlando.

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<v Speaker 1>Comy makes clear on the first day of the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>that federal agents view the attack as an act of terrorism.

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<v Speaker 9>There are strong indications of radicalization by this killer and

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<v Speaker 9>of potential inspiration by foreign terrorist organizations. We are spending

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<v Speaker 9>a tremendous amount of time, as you would imagine, trying

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<v Speaker 9>to understand every moment of this killer's path to that

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<v Speaker 9>terrible night in Orlando. To understand his motives and to

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<v Speaker 9>understand the details of his life.

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<v Speaker 1>Here for the first time in public, Director Comy admits

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<v Speaker 1>that the FBI had previously investigated Omar Matine.

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<v Speaker 9>Our investigation involved introducing confidential sources to him, recording conversations

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<v Speaker 9>with him, following him, reviewing transactional records from his communications,

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<v Speaker 9>and searching all government holdings for any possible connections, any

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<v Speaker 9>possible derogatory information.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI knew Omartin very well and long before he

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<v Speaker 1>walked into Pulse. But Komy assures the American public that

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI will continue to investigate what happened in Orlando,

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<v Speaker 1>and he promises the bureau will be transparent about its

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<v Speaker 1>own failings.

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<v Speaker 9>We will continue to look forward in this investigation and backward.

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<v Speaker 9>We will leave no stone unturned, and we will work

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<v Speaker 9>all day and all night to understand the path to

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<v Speaker 9>that terrible night. We're also going to look hard at

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<v Speaker 9>our own work to see whether there is something we

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<v Speaker 9>should have done differently. So far, the honest answer is

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<v Speaker 9>I don't think so. I don't see anything in reviewing

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<v Speaker 9>our work that our agents should have done differently. But

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<v Speaker 9>we'll look at it in an open and honest way.

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<v Speaker 9>And be transparent about it. Our work is very challenging.

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<v Speaker 9>We are looking for needles in a nationwide haystack, but

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<v Speaker 9>we're also called upon to figure out which pieces of

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<v Speaker 9>hay might someday become needles. That is hard work. If

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<v Speaker 9>we can find a way to do that better, we will.

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<v Speaker 1>But agents could have done things differently. They'd already found

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<v Speaker 1>Come's needle and a haystack. The FBI won't release any

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<v Speaker 1>information about this to this day. The bureau claims that

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<v Speaker 1>Omar Matine's file remains part of an open investigation, preventing

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<v Speaker 1>its disclosure to the public. So over the next seven episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to lay out what I've discovered about Omar

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<v Speaker 1>Matine and the Pulse nightclub shooting, and why the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want what's in their files to be revealed.

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<v Speaker 8>There's a relationship, a long relationship, two decades long relationship

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<v Speaker 8>between the FBI and Almarmantine's father.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll introduce you to people who knew Omar and his father.

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<v Speaker 9>He could be full of rage, especially if he spoke

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<v Speaker 9>to that.

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<v Speaker 10>So there were times where he would get into a

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<v Speaker 10>fight with his dad and then come take it out

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<v Speaker 10>on me.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the story of a father and son and

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<v Speaker 1>their relationship with the FBI. His father was an FBI informant,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is possibility that Omar may have known that

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe a way to get back at his father

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<v Speaker 1>and how a false narrative was created which covered up

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<v Speaker 1>that relationship.

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<v Speaker 13>They start to ask me a questions. I start to wondering, Nai,

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<v Speaker 13>we won all your accounts from grind there, and also

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<v Speaker 13>they start to say, are you sure you meant Ohmar?

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<v Speaker 13>I say yes, I'm very sure.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the narrative that people are living with that

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<v Speaker 3>this man went out and slaughtered forty nine people and

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<v Speaker 3>wounded fifty three others because they were gay, which is

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<v Speaker 3>utterly false.

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