Speaker 1: Look out. It's only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Golstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director of Fraudster, and I love films. As Bernard
Speaker 1: Schlink once said, I'm not frightened. I'm not frightened of anything.
Speaker 1: The more I suffer, the more I love. Having said
Speaker 1: that Hereditary did proper shit me up. Yeah. Every week
Speaker 1: I about a special guest over. I tell them they've died,
Speaker 1: then they get them to discuss their life through the
Speaker 1: films that meant the most of them. Previous guest include
Speaker 1: Barry Jenkins, Hims Patel, Sharon Stone and even But this
Speaker 1: week it's the brilliant comedian, actor and writer Ruby McCollister.
Speaker 1: Head over to the Patreon at patroon dot com forward
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Speaker 1: We talk about secrets, favorite beginnings and endings. You get
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Speaker 1: So Ruby McCollister. Ruby McCollister is a brilliant comedian and actor.
Speaker 1: You've seen her in all sorts of things. She just
Speaker 1: went and did the Edinburgh Festival where she got absolutely
Speaker 1: rave reviews. So do see her show if it is
Speaker 1: coming anywhere near you. We recorded this long before she
Speaker 1: was headed off to Edinburgh, so it's nice to know
Speaker 1: as you listen. It's a bit of a spoiler, but
Speaker 1: she absolutely stormed it. I think you're going to love
Speaker 1: this one. So that is it for now. I very
Speaker 1: much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and sixty six
Speaker 1: of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to
Speaker 1: Films to be Buried With. It is me Brett Goldstein
Speaker 1: and I am joined today by an actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a comedian, a sketch, a stand up, a seer, a
Speaker 1: light oh and a birth charter. Someone from the stars,
Speaker 1: connected to the stars. Who is a star. She's here,
Speaker 1: she's about to go to everywhere we record this. When
Speaker 1: you hear this, she's probably one edin breath. Please welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. The real life person that is this one.
Speaker 1: Ruby mcconist.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, hey, thanks thanks for having me. Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, I loved that intro. That was the best one.
Speaker 2: I've ever had.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Ruby, it's delightful. Thank you for doing the show. Rebby,
Speaker 1: you're about to go and do Is it your first Edinburgh?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I'm like, I'm yeah, it is my god.
Speaker 2: I feel I feel excited but overwhelmed, as I think
Speaker 2: one is wont to do. But I feel like I
Speaker 2: don't know I'm projecting here, but I feel like for
Speaker 2: people in England, it's just like what it's it's sort
Speaker 2: of is it more casual for people in England? No,
Speaker 2: it's never casual. It's never casual.
Speaker 1: Okay, good good, Yeah, you're still you know, all the
Speaker 1: body you've had in the in the check down.
Speaker 2: A drain exactly exactly exactly, And that's exciting and it's
Speaker 2: very exciting to do that. And there's sort of like
Speaker 2: a cyclical sort of addiction to gambling sort of feeling
Speaker 2: to it. But I'm no, but I'm really excited. And uh,
Speaker 2: today you're speaking with me when when you know the
Speaker 2: opening night is not you know what I mean, it's
Speaker 2: like we're looking at we're looking at something.
Speaker 1: Forgive me for not knowing this is this your first
Speaker 1: hour show or you've done this?
Speaker 2: No, No, don't know. This is my first hour and
Speaker 2: I'm really starting This first full assembled hour is really
Speaker 2: like the story of my first hour a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's really were and it's really I'm so glad to
Speaker 2: be here for so many reasons, but largely because it's,
Speaker 2: you know, a show about I'm going to say death.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it's about dad.
Speaker 1: People, Well, then you've come to the place, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: right place. May I ask whose death? Or is it
Speaker 1: about all death?
Speaker 2: It's about sort of all deaths. It's about how my
Speaker 2: father ran a theater in Los Angeles, which is not
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, and you probably know this at
Speaker 2: this point. It's not a theater town. I didn't know
Speaker 2: if you knew that about the Yeah, it's not sort
Speaker 2: of a theater town. And my dad ran this theater
Speaker 2: and I was at I lived basically at this theater,
Speaker 2: and I ran the box office at this theater. It's
Speaker 2: called the Cornet Theater.
Speaker 1: It's now the Largo, A my favorite place.
Speaker 2: Yes, was so that theater before it was the Largo.
Speaker 2: My father ran it. My father is an Flan Again,
Speaker 2: that is not that is not my father's In fact, Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for you yeah, I know me too, man.
Speaker 2: But before it was the before the Largo took over management,
Speaker 2: it was my dad was managing it. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: ran the box office every night. I was seeing so
Speaker 2: many psychotic like Vanity Project, one Woman show plays. It
Speaker 2: was always that. It was like the darkest level of Hollywood.
Speaker 2: I was witnessed to chronically. And on top of that,
Speaker 2: I found out that Charles Lawton, which maybe you know
Speaker 2: or haunts the Cornet. He's the resident ghost of the Cornet. Yes,
Speaker 2: because he died two days before the opening night of
Speaker 2: Bertold Brex premiere of Galileo Galilei e. Charles Latin directed
Speaker 2: the premiere, which happened to be in Los Angeles in
Speaker 2: like nineteen fifty four, which is crazy. And he died
Speaker 2: during the previews of Galilee And he was rumored to
Speaker 2: have haunted the Cornette. And when I was a child,
Speaker 2: I was obsessed. This was when I became This is
Speaker 2: when I learned about ghosts, and I became obsessed with
Speaker 2: Charles Lawton's ghost. And I had a really deep relationship
Speaker 2: with Charles Lawton's ghost.
Speaker 1: And what do you mean you saw him? I saw him.
Speaker 2: I believed he was always around. I felt him watching
Speaker 2: over me, and then I became obsessed with like Hollywood,
Speaker 2: you know, in the international sense of Hollywood, Hollywood ghosts
Speaker 2: like this whole other realm of my hometown, and so
Speaker 2: my shows like about all the ghosts that I was
Speaker 2: obsessed with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, can you tell me one ghost interaction?
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I won't tell the Charles Lawton ghost story,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to tell you another one, Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: And this is also a tip to anybody traveling to
Speaker 2: Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So, at the basically the basin of the Hollywood Hills
Speaker 2: is this little sub neighborhood called Hollywood Land, and Hollywood
Speaker 2: Land was the original real estate development. That is why
Speaker 2: the Hollywood sign is there, right. We all know it
Speaker 2: used to say Hollywood Land, and then the land sort
Speaker 2: of crumbled.
Speaker 1: Off whatever pressed into.
Speaker 2: It exactly right, yes, And then at the basin of
Speaker 2: like right below the Hollywood Sign are these horse trails
Speaker 2: that have been there since the early nineteen hundreds when
Speaker 2: that piece of land was where actually bandits used to
Speaker 2: camp in the hills too. It was like because la
Speaker 2: at the time was like the most dangerous place in
Speaker 2: the world. It was just like basically still the wild West,
Speaker 2: so you can still go to these horse trails at
Speaker 2: the basin of this place. And I, you know, my
Speaker 2: dad had a friend from out of town who also
Speaker 2: had a daughter who later became my best friend. But
Speaker 2: that's a different story. But I was trying to impress her.
Speaker 2: I was trying to be like, we got to show
Speaker 2: her a good time in La. We got to do
Speaker 2: it right, And so I was like, let's take her,
Speaker 2: Let's take her to these trails. So you basically bored.
Speaker 2: These horses that are like so overly medicated, are really
Speaker 2: maybe not treated fabulously, but it's like set to the scene,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, It's all part of the allure.
Speaker 2: And you sort of like hoist your body on these
Speaker 2: horses that are so tired and they are going up
Speaker 2: these trails by the Hollywood sign, and it's like pretty
Speaker 2: fab to do if you have nothing to do in La, okay.
Speaker 2: And I I'm like six, I'm six seven around there,
Speaker 2: and I'm pretty like I'm really newly anointed into my
Speaker 2: obsession with phantoms or ghosts, right, and I'm like really upset.
Speaker 2: I'm just totally obsessed. And I'm so I was like
Speaker 2: open to it, you know what I mean. I was
Speaker 2: like out for an experience, and so I was like
Speaker 2: riding this little horse and it was sucks it and
Speaker 2: I'm riding past the Hollywood Sign and I see two
Speaker 2: My god, this is this is a little scary. I
Speaker 2: see like two little feet, like not just like little
Speaker 2: feet walking past the Hollywood Sign out of the corner
Speaker 2: of my eye. And I'm like, I'm really startled. And
Speaker 2: I'm like telling my dad, like and he knows that
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with ghosts. So it's like maybe I saw
Speaker 2: it in my head or maybe I saw you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. We don't we're not here to judge,
Speaker 2: we're not here to get our but not you know,
Speaker 2: our little sethist goes out. But I saw some feet, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's what I thought, and so then I started bare
Speaker 2: feet and that's when I found out, you know, And
Speaker 2: this is the thing about ghosts. This is my selling
Speaker 2: point about ghosts, is that you can believe in ghosts.
Speaker 2: You don't have believe in gohoes. But if you do
Speaker 2: believe in ghost or if you indulge the belief in ghosts,
Speaker 2: it's actually a gateway drug to be a historian. It's
Speaker 2: how you become a freaking historian. Man, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Because I go, I saw, excuse me, I saw feet
Speaker 2: by the Hollywood Sign. What's with that?
Speaker 1: And I do.
Speaker 2: Some research and I find out about peg and Twistle,
Speaker 2: who was the singular, if not most famous. I don't
Speaker 2: think she's the only person who did this, but she
Speaker 2: was the first person to throw herself off the age
Speaker 2: of the Hollywood Sign in nineteen twenty nine. And I mean, like,
Speaker 2: that's a one twenty man. Like I was totally seeing
Speaker 2: her ghosts, right, And then like peg and Twistle is
Speaker 2: like if you get into like Hollywood macab Blore, she
Speaker 2: is like, oh gee, she is like one of the
Speaker 2: main spooky stories of Hollywood is the peg and Twistle.
Speaker 2: She's the first person to throw herself off the Hollywood Sign.
Speaker 1: So you think you saw get fate judged? I met,
Speaker 1: I met.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I'm it might have been hers.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it was.
Speaker 1: A gateway because of which I have a guyst it was.
Speaker 1: It told you about.
Speaker 2: Peggy exactly, and it just fed my lifelong addiction to
Speaker 2: this level of Hollywood darkness.
Speaker 1: When did you last say, you guys.
Speaker 2: I think the last time I saw ghost was about
Speaker 2: ten years ago. Yeah, I had in college, I had
Speaker 2: a ghost visit me quite often.
Speaker 1: He was disguised.
Speaker 2: I was scared because he would visit me. It was
Speaker 2: what I like, lived in this room on this campus
Speaker 2: in my school in New England and very haunted spot
Speaker 2: in the world, but different type of vibe, you know,
Speaker 2: to the Hollywood ghosts. Not as not as not as
Speaker 2: glamorous to say the least. But it was like this
Speaker 2: blonde guy. Yeah, this blonde guy sitting on the foot
Speaker 2: of my bed like every night, whoa see Yeah, for
Speaker 2: like a semester, which is about six months.
Speaker 1: What was he doing just watching you Saturday watching it?
Speaker 2: He was just constant and yeah, he was just always
Speaker 2: sitting and like looking around. And I eventually I think
Speaker 2: once you know, I was just sort of a sleep,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But I would like come
Speaker 2: to and it would be like after like the tenth
Speaker 2: time he did this, I was like, are you lost?
Speaker 2: Which is an amazing question to ask any ghost. He
Speaker 2: didn't talk, but he like acknowledged. He was like, I
Speaker 2: was like, are you lost? Do you need help? Like
Speaker 2: this isn't where you're supposed to be. And then after
Speaker 2: I talked to him, he went away. Sorry, in my
Speaker 2: los A great question. It's a great question, it is.
Speaker 2: And like there is this like whole school belief in
Speaker 2: like ghost hunting, which is like a whole other genre.
Speaker 2: This is a whole other topic. But there's like this
Speaker 2: new sort of more accepted vibe that instead of like
Speaker 2: ghost hunting with like lasers and guns and this like
Speaker 2: Ghostbusters level type thing, there's this new sort of millennial
Speaker 2: approach which is to communicate with the ghosts and and
Speaker 2: give them what they need. And that's actually how you
Speaker 2: unhunt a space, which I actually really think is cool.
Speaker 2: I think that's a cool sort of cool thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think this This gaz needed the
Speaker 1: blung gazer at the end of your bed.
Speaker 2: Well, he was definitely young. Br you just said Geezers
Speaker 2: just like chum like blokes whatever. Yeah, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's okay. Yeah, and in America that means he's like
Speaker 2: totally old. But yeah, geezer, I'm saying geezer too, now hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm saying a Geezer tonight. Yeah, whatever, totally awesome. I
Speaker 2: think what he wanted. I think he was genuinely lost.
Speaker 2: I think he was didn't realize he was passed on, right, Jesus,
Speaker 2: I think I know. Sorry not to not to out Macob,
Speaker 2: you're macab show.
Speaker 1: But no, Well it's funny to say that. It's really
Speaker 1: funny to say that because I forgot to tell you
Speaker 1: something and now I'm realizing, Oh, you don't know either,
Speaker 1: You've you've died, You're dead. Yeah, I'm definitely lost.
Speaker 2: If you're just bringing those news on me now, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm I am shocked to my core.
Speaker 1: I guess for a long time I've been thinking, what
Speaker 1: is she doing sitting at the end of my bed,
Speaker 1: probably say something?
Speaker 2: Are you lost? Yeah, I'm definitely lost. Oh honey, I'm
Speaker 2: definitely lost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you die? Maybe?
Speaker 2: I think the last thing I remember, if you're telling
Speaker 2: me that I'm dead right now, the last thing I remember, member,
Speaker 2: is I literally got a cold. I got a chill.
Speaker 2: I caught a chill.
Speaker 1: You were chilled to death. You would side chill, you
Speaker 1: would too chill you died.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was actually too cool. Yeah, it was literally
Speaker 2: too too cool for this mortal coil a little bit.
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, no, too chill. Wow, your reputation procedes.
Speaker 2: I lived as a Dodge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally chill, totally chill, totally chill. What a
Speaker 1: tragic death. Hello, do you want to know when you die? Fuck?
Speaker 2: I would say, like, actually, like, are we really talking here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think either thirty six don't tempt fate, okay, or
Speaker 2: because that's like a nice number. I think that's a
Speaker 2: very sexy number. Thirty six is an incredibly sexy number. Yeah,
Speaker 2: or ninety three right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now you you can see the future, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit. What does your future say? Do you
Speaker 1: know when you will die? Will you die ninety three?
Speaker 2: There's actually in as you mentioned in my incredibly unbelievable intro,
Speaker 2: I do do astrology. I have an astrology practice. But
Speaker 2: in my chart, it either says that I'm going to
Speaker 2: die old or I'm going to die by the hand
Speaker 2: and I'm not joking, by the hand of a lover
Speaker 2: like murdered. There's an indication, but I don't think that's
Speaker 2: going to happen. I actually don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So every time you're with a lover and they get
Speaker 1: slightly annoyed, you're like, uh oh, here it comes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have forgotten the milk.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's I'm walking on eggshells. But no, I
Speaker 2: think I don't know. Yeah that it's like one indication
Speaker 2: in my chart, but I don't. I don't think I
Speaker 2: ascribed to that. You know, it's not it's not set
Speaker 2: in stone. This is all malleable. It's all a conversation.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that you're connected to the light? What
Speaker 1: is it? Do you feel you're channeling something or are
Speaker 1: you just looking at numbers?
Speaker 2: I think like it's a little bit of both, And
Speaker 2: I think I I wish I could take myself seriously
Speaker 2: enough to say I was channeling light, but I just can't.
Speaker 1: It's hard for a comedian and such a spiritual advisor
Speaker 1: or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: I know it's really hard. I mean, but I do
Speaker 2: think like I do think like I will say that
Speaker 2: the best people in my life that have given me
Speaker 2: spiritual guidance, advice, whatever, are are funny people. I think
Speaker 2: they're hand in hand. I think wisdom. I think being
Speaker 2: funny is so important for so many. I know there's
Speaker 2: all this talk about like you know, comedians are like
Speaker 2: the most tortured types of human beings that they're dark
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But I also think like, if you
Speaker 2: don't have a sense of humor about yourself, you're sort
Speaker 2: of dead.
Speaker 1: In the water.
Speaker 2: I think a little bit, Yeah, a little bit, But
Speaker 2: that's just a hot take.
Speaker 1: That's just a hot take. Yeah, but yeah, Okay, do
Speaker 1: you worry about your own death? Is it something you
Speaker 1: fear or welcome?
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question? Were you ever a hypochondriac?
Speaker 1: I don't think in an extreme way. I fear illness,
Speaker 1: for sure, but I don't always think I'm ill. Do
Speaker 1: youeel me? Like, if someone sneezes near me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh oh oh wow. But I don't necessarily think now
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die because they sneeze. I just think we
Speaker 1: need to I need to be gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like my fear is that that that's
Speaker 2: absolutely nice, that's actually really nice thing to desires what
Speaker 2: I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Say, But.
Speaker 2: I think I do. I used to be a really
Speaker 2: insane hypochondriac, which I think maybe also was like some
Speaker 2: of the spiritual stuff helped me through that a little bit.
Speaker 2: And uh, but recently, yeah, Mike, I guess I fear
Speaker 2: death in so much as I fear, Yeah, not knowing
Speaker 2: if it's happening or not, that would freak me out,
Speaker 2: like if I was just like hit by a bus.
Speaker 1: Oh you want it like to be slow and you
Speaker 1: know it's happening really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I like and I want to be like,
Speaker 2: do do you like? I really want to like say
Speaker 2: goodbye to everything, very romantic in a romantic.
Speaker 1: Way, you know, see you want sort of like a
Speaker 1: good sort of good licking slow terminal ioness.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
Speaker 1: What do you think happened to any die? Then? With
Speaker 1: all your interactions with guys? What do you think between
Speaker 1: there's enoughter life the people that are lost? Are they
Speaker 1: going somewhere?
Speaker 2: I do unabashedly and I'm I guess I have to
Speaker 2: say this without any sort of conceit. But I do
Speaker 2: believe in I do believe in it afterlife.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what. I don't entirely understand what happens.
Speaker 2: I do know that not everybody becomes a ghost. I
Speaker 2: think that's like a general consensus is that not everybody does.
Speaker 2: And I do believe that, and I don't necessarily want
Speaker 2: to become a ghost. I do think, like you know,
Speaker 2: I think there is this like lack of recognition between
Speaker 2: you know, and then there's this other since we're all
Speaker 2: getting into quantum physics, now, don't you think that's it?
Speaker 2: Quantum physics is hot hot hot? Am I wrong?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's so in again, it's.
Speaker 2: So freaking in And I think, like, so I can
Speaker 2: say this, like, you know, then there's this other idea
Speaker 2: that it's like, are they just too dimensioned, you know,
Speaker 2: the simultaneous time briefly overlapping and are interaction with that
Speaker 2: It's like I don't know, yeah, yeah, I can't say yeah,
Speaker 2: so there's some of that.
Speaker 1: So you don't think a ghist is like someone who
Speaker 1: hasn't made it to the other side, as in this
Speaker 1: they are literally lost on their way to the other side.
Speaker 1: Some people don't become guys because they go straight to heaven,
Speaker 1: and other people are guys because they get.
Speaker 2: I don't believe in heaven. I'm not I'm not really
Speaker 2: believing in heaven, but I am thinking like you go
Speaker 2: into like the warm light if you're if you aren't attached,
Speaker 2: if you're ready to let go, and then you like rejoin,
Speaker 2: you rejoin the cosmic Yeah, you know, recycling machine. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I do know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, you become
Speaker 1: one with the high consciousness that you always wear, and
Speaker 1: then you PLoP out again into a.
Speaker 2: Different Yes, I do, Yes, I do, and I think
Speaker 2: we and I do believe. I don't hold on too
Speaker 2: strongly to understanding what my past life are. I think
Speaker 2: that sort of. I'm not super into that, but I
Speaker 2: do like people that are. I love hanging out with
Speaker 2: people who feel very connected with their past lives.
Speaker 1: That's real.
Speaker 2: That's really fun for me. And some people have told
Speaker 2: me some wild shit about supposedly what my past life is.
Speaker 2: I do believe all actors, so shout out Brett, also you,
Speaker 2: I do believe all actors were at some point soldiers.
Speaker 1: That seems like the opposite job.
Speaker 2: And there we go, because I think, like once I do.
Speaker 2: I do think there's like this militant aspect to all actors,
Speaker 2: like this real seriousness and like over regulation or ability
Speaker 2: to overly regulate. But I think it is the opposite job.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why, like, once you fight in
Speaker 2: a war in your next life, you want it, you
Speaker 2: want to like express yourself and like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I do think all actors were reincarnated soldiers, And I
Speaker 2: think that's why, honey, at the twenty first century, after
Speaker 2: two World Wars, there's so many freaking actors all over
Speaker 2: the goddamn blaze.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they were all soldiers and I need someone
Speaker 1: to bring me tea.
Speaker 2: They're like, you know, what sounds great waiting around on
Speaker 2: set for twelve hours a day to say two lines?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you get it.
Speaker 2: I think you totally got it, get it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It explains sort of why why
Speaker 1: there was why you get like a lot of entitled
Speaker 1: actors because I was a fucking soldier. I thought it exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, uff, give me my stuff.
Speaker 2: And it's like, you wonder why actors are so like
Speaker 2: solipsistic that we can just keep going back in on ourselves.
Speaker 2: And it's because we were in the trenches. You were
Speaker 2: we we were, our helmets were on, our heads were done.
Speaker 2: We were so scared.
Speaker 1: We had no space for our emotions. Excuses the behavior
Speaker 1: of access.
Speaker 2: But I know, if only we could litigate with past lives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, yeah, because often you go with people,
Speaker 1: you go that person is an awful dickhead. But you know,
Speaker 1: they did. If you knew what they've been through and
Speaker 1: their childhood or when they were teenager. But if you
Speaker 1: could go, if you knew what they've been through a
Speaker 1: hundred years ago, they were in the walk, honey.
Speaker 2: You would have absolute compassion for them.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, you really would. No. Listen, hey, get them,
Speaker 1: get them their tea, let them shout everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were in. They got trench foot. That's how
Speaker 2: they did it. It's like Connie, Oh my god, you
Speaker 2: had trench foot part.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Yeah, you take all the time you
Speaker 1: need in that trailer.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. I think we're getting close to that. I
Speaker 2: think we're getting close, sir, to that level of compassion.
Speaker 1: I do. I do. Well. Listen, there is a heaven.
Speaker 1: You you don't like the word heaven, but it's just
Speaker 1: the bit where the high consciousness all hangs out. Okay,
Speaker 1: I like it, and you're way work in there, and
Speaker 1: it's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2: I think my favorite thing is like some music.
Speaker 1: Okay, well then.
Speaker 2: It's well, what what's your favorite thing? What do you say?
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a guest on this podcast, and
Speaker 1: never I think anyone.
Speaker 2: Who no, no, you have. It's your idea, dude, what
Speaker 2: is your favorite thing? Water?
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting, you know. That's why I guess I'm here.
Speaker 1: I'm here every week waiting for the for the right answer.
Speaker 1: But music is pretty good. You get to heaven and
Speaker 1: there's music everywhere.
Speaker 2: Or it's like music and Seltzer music and Seltzer with like.
Speaker 1: A lemon, there's celter lemon handed to you, beautiful musicians.
Speaker 1: Everyone's so excited to see you. But I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you about your life. But I want to
Speaker 1: talk about it through the medium of film. And the
Speaker 1: first thing they ask you, mccallich, for sure, first film
Speaker 1: you remember seeing? Okay, this is.
Speaker 2: Such a complicated one, So I remember the first one.
Speaker 2: I like that. I have a visceral, really amazing memory
Speaker 2: watching even though I think I technically watched movies before this.
Speaker 2: But my the first one I that came to mind
Speaker 2: was Edward Scissor Hands with my family. I love that phone.
Speaker 2: I love that film and I rewatched it recently. In
Speaker 2: it Oh my god. When I was a child, I
Speaker 2: watched it with my mother, who is also a Native
Speaker 2: Angelino and a goth and basically raised another goth, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, more or less, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: a I didn't let in the loafers goth a little bit,
Speaker 2: but so she was like totally down for me to
Speaker 2: watch this movie. My parents were also in theater, so
Speaker 2: there was a lot of theater actors in Edward Sisserhands,
Speaker 2: so it was like our family friends were sort of
Speaker 2: in the movie or whatever. But I was thoroughly transformed
Speaker 2: as a child, and I was convinced I didn't relate
Speaker 2: to Edward scissor Hands. I obviously related to Kim and
Speaker 2: I think that was like the first depiction of a
Speaker 2: redhead I'd ever seen as well, oh I forgot, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she has like dyed orange hair, so that was really
Speaker 2: significant for me. And I then was convinced every night
Speaker 2: in my parents' shitty West Hollywood rental that we lived in,
Speaker 2: on the bars on my windows that Edwards I had
Speaker 2: like this deep fantasy that Edward sister Hands was like
Speaker 2: racking his little fingers, like yeah, but he was sort
Speaker 2: of like but in a way, in a sexy way.
Speaker 2: But I was like really frightened and really charmed by
Speaker 2: this fantasy of like Andred sitter Hans is like obsessed
Speaker 2: with me and like you know what I mean, And
Speaker 2: I was really freaked out for a while and about
Speaker 2: like the fantasy, the imagined fantasy of Edward racking his
Speaker 2: little fingers.
Speaker 1: The music is one of the tracks that I would
Speaker 1: like played at my funeral as my coffin really with snow.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh that's really sad. It's really chilling.
Speaker 1: The great, great film. It is a great film that
Speaker 1: doesn't come up. It doesn't love that film.
Speaker 2: That's really weird.
Speaker 1: So weird, Yeah, obviously, Yeah, Okay, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, are you an only child?
Speaker 1: No? I have a sister.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't seem an only child.
Speaker 1: The film.
Speaker 2: Scared, I do. I love being scared. I'm addicted to
Speaker 2: being scared. Well, everybody probably says, what does everybody say?
Speaker 1: The exorcis right, it comes up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously that was a legitimately scary film for me.
Speaker 2: I also think my my other the deeper cut of
Speaker 2: that is whatever happened to baby Jane?
Speaker 1: Deep cut, deep cut Scared?
Speaker 2: And that was really scary for me. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 2: Buddy Davis scary.
Speaker 1: Not famously thought of as a scary film. I'd say,
Speaker 1: what why is so scary? It's dark.
Speaker 2: It's dark, but it's like about you know. Buddy Davis
Speaker 2: plays this woman in her sixties who was a Vodvillian
Speaker 2: child star and still has her outfit from being a
Speaker 2: Vadvillian child star, you know what I mean, and like
Speaker 2: failed to become a movie star. And at sixty also
Speaker 2: she has like her sister Joan Crawford is paralyzed from
Speaker 2: an accident that was supposedly Baby Jane's fault, Betty Davis's fault.
Speaker 2: She has this paralyzed sister upstairs, and she's like trying
Speaker 2: to have her act happen again, Like she's trying to
Speaker 2: like put her act back up, and so she puts
Speaker 2: on these clothes to make her look like a baby doll.
Speaker 2: And she's like in her sixties and has like powders.
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's very very very scary. It's very scary.
Speaker 2: And I remember when I saw that as a child
Speaker 2: also with my goth mother being like, yeah, this is
Speaker 2: a fabulous film or whatever. I remember like brushing my
Speaker 2: teeth and you know what I mean, and like feeling,
Speaker 2: you know, when you have that scary movie feeling where
Speaker 2: it's like suddenly you're alone after you see it for
Speaker 2: the first time, and then you're and then it's like
Speaker 2: and then the characters truly begin to like invade your
Speaker 2: like space.
Speaker 1: Is that just me?
Speaker 2: No, that's everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then I remember like imagining closing the mirror of
Speaker 2: my bathroom and seeing Baby Jane. Seeing this like old
Speaker 2: woman and a baby doll outfit is like, that's really scary,
Speaker 2: and she sings this who oh my god, this is
Speaker 2: the Baby Jane song. Okay, it's I it's I've written
Speaker 2: a letter to Daddy.
Speaker 3: Who's that dresses heaven above. I've written, Dear Daddy, I
Speaker 3: miss you. And I'm right like whatever, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: But it's like like I've written a letter to Daddy.
Speaker 1: So creepy, creepy as fuck funny. These films Way Ahead
Speaker 1: That and Sunset Boulevard both did both these films about
Speaker 1: like aging Hollywood stars they can't like guy, that are
Speaker 1: completely madness, I know.
Speaker 2: And it's the It's remarkable that I decided to become
Speaker 2: a performer because I really was like obsessed with these
Speaker 2: stories of like of tragedy and failure and delusion and
Speaker 2: I and and since a Boulevard is one of my
Speaker 2: is what's my answers for two is coming? It's coming up.
Speaker 1: What's the film that made you cry the mist Do
Speaker 1: you cry easy? Do you cry lout?
Speaker 2: I do? I do?
Speaker 1: I do well?
Speaker 2: I can? I know, I know, I mean I haven't
Speaker 2: cried recently so much. But I okay, So this is
Speaker 2: my answer. This is my stock answer basically, and I
Speaker 2: and I hate to be so on brand. I am
Speaker 2: like psychotically on brand sometimes, so this one's another psychotically
Speaker 2: on brand answer. But the film that makes me cry
Speaker 2: the most is A Star is Born. But it's but
Speaker 2: it's it's.
Speaker 1: The Garland version, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Which is the best one by far. And there's this
Speaker 2: Then there's this scene where she is, you know, she
Speaker 2: has an alcoholic husband, as we all know in the
Speaker 2: Lady Gaga version two, she has an alcoholic husband. In
Speaker 2: this version, Judy Garland plays a movie star, not a musician,
Speaker 2: not like the barbaro Streysand version either. Judy Garland plays
Speaker 2: a musical, you know, like movies are like how Judy
Speaker 2: Garland was, Like she's saying she dance, she acted whatever,
Speaker 2: and she's in the middle of doing Oh god, this
Speaker 2: I could cry just thinking about it. She's in the
Speaker 2: middle of doing a musical number where she's dressed as
Speaker 2: and forgive me, but this is the term. This is
Speaker 2: the aesthetic term. She's dressed as a hobo. Okaya, that
Speaker 2: is what the term is. Unfortunately antiquated, I know. Okay, listen.
Speaker 2: So she has like a charcoal beard on like this,
Speaker 2: like freckles and a blacked out tooth like Judy Garland. Okay,
Speaker 2: and she's like doing this number and they're like, okay,
Speaker 2: take a break, and like she goes into her dressing
Speaker 2: room and the head of the studio is like, your
Speaker 2: husband is a real is like really making a fool
Speaker 2: of himself, and it's like is he okay? And then
Speaker 2: she breaks down in this makeup She is crying. She
Speaker 2: is like and it's Judy Garland crying, like and you
Speaker 2: can see that she is actually in such despair and
Speaker 2: it's like, I forgot the exact line, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's just like it's her crying, like it's so hard
Speaker 2: to you know, love somebody who doesn't love themselves, you know,
Speaker 2: all of this just devastation. And then it's like, okay, yesther,
Speaker 2: you got five minutes and that she's like and then
Speaker 2: it's like the next cut is her like wiping her
Speaker 2: tears and like doing that the next take and they're
Speaker 2: at that. I reference that scene all the time. It's
Speaker 2: one of the most poignant scenes I think in like
Speaker 2: of the fifties basically, and it's you know, George Kooker
Speaker 2: directed it. It's like a hugely massive and such a
Speaker 2: beautiful film. And I think if you know anything about
Speaker 2: Judy Garland, it's so devastating and it's just such a
Speaker 2: relatable I think it's a position that I think many
Speaker 2: people have felt. It's not just for actors. I think
Speaker 2: it's like this really universal feeling of like there's something
Speaker 2: terrible that I'm that's going on that I have no
Speaker 2: control over, and yet I still have to sort of
Speaker 2: like continue on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I never have to do public have to do
Speaker 1: public face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have to go to work or I
Speaker 2: have to like just keep it together. And I think
Speaker 2: that's like such a oh God, I just cried cry.
Speaker 1: Really good. What's the thing. What's what's the film that
Speaker 1: you love? Most people don't like it. It's not critically acclaimed,
Speaker 1: but you love it unconditionally.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a good an, I really love Confessions
Speaker 2: of a Choppaholic.
Speaker 1: You couldn't answer that question.
Speaker 2: I adore this movie. I think it's actually a really
Speaker 2: important I'm going to go Isla Fisher playing an American
Speaker 2: also a redhead, not to brag, who has coincidace?
Speaker 1: Who's who the.
Speaker 2: Villain of this? And I guess maybe I don't really
Speaker 2: understand the credit system in the UK, but but to
Speaker 2: be an American is to have a lot of debt.
Speaker 2: That's a huge thing in America. And uh, basically literally
Speaker 2: the villain of this movie is her credit card company.
Speaker 2: And it's like amazing, like it's about her like struggling
Speaker 2: to get out of debt, and it's like and she
Speaker 2: just can't stop. And it's like there's so much in
Speaker 2: there that is like and that is there is such
Speaker 2: a great movie. It's such an amazingly important film. It's
Speaker 2: an amazingly important film.
Speaker 1: Reason I would double bill it with the Fifty Shades
Speaker 1: of Gray, which I think is a profound statement about
Speaker 1: American capitalism. That film put them together.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've never seen fifty Shades of gray? Should
Speaker 2: I what you're saying?
Speaker 1: I think I think if you like Confessorsolic for the
Speaker 1: reasons that you like it. I think you like fifty
Speaker 1: of Great, which is basically a whole no about money,
Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, I don't think it's about sex at all.
Speaker 1: I think it's about conservatism and that's all. The shots
Speaker 1: of it are like sexy building where money is made,
Speaker 1: sexy helicopter that money.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, I mean I think like with Confessions
Speaker 2: of the Chapoholics. Also, similarly to what you're saying, is
Speaker 2: like fifty Shades isn't about sex, Like a guy doesn't
Speaker 2: really enter the chat of the movie, like until she
Speaker 2: pays her credit card down, isn't that fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, it's like it's it's just she can't
Speaker 1: find paid her debt. Is that what it said?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it's saying, which is like, afar out.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. But I do think I
Speaker 2: do think that's like I do think that's a crippling
Speaker 2: fear for a lot of Americans. I think like, like
Speaker 2: I don't remember the amount of money she's in debt.
Speaker 2: I think it's like as all movies like super Low,
Speaker 2: you know, I think she probably has like five thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: you know, like, I don't think it's like a ton
Speaker 2: of money she owes her credit, her creditors, but it's
Speaker 2: about like obviously like a girl who's like neglectful of
Speaker 2: paying her bills, that she's sort of just spending, spending,
Speaker 2: spending whatever, that she's like from a lower class background,
Speaker 2: that she was trying to make it big in New York,
Speaker 2: that she needed these closes to do so, which one
Speaker 2: hundred percent like that's real, right, Yeah, that's real. And
Speaker 2: I think there's like a real who doesn't have fear
Speaker 2: if they had, like if I had a ton of
Speaker 2: I mean, do you know who doesn't have fear about
Speaker 2: their debt?
Speaker 1: Yeah, very relatable film. Yeah, I mean your adult is bucked,
Speaker 1: as if to say yeah, yeah yeah. On the other
Speaker 1: on the other end, a film, what's the film that
Speaker 1: you used to love but you've seen it recently and
Speaker 1: you've gone, I don't like this anymore. I've changed.
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people talk about this movie,
Speaker 2: also probably from America. There was a few answers I
Speaker 2: put for this one because it was it was many
Speaker 2: that I was way back. But I think like the
Speaker 2: most poignant one is Garden state.
Speaker 1: Does everyone say that They don't say that.
Speaker 2: No, not like a million Americans say that. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: What do people say comes up around?
Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm also saying, does everybody also say Blade Runner?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm changing its blade Runner?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Can you believe actually how boring Blade Runner is? And
Speaker 2: it's like actually not a good movie and it has
Speaker 2: just like a few good shots and really good costumes.
Speaker 2: It's like the most boring movie ever. Everybody's totally out
Speaker 2: of their minds and we're stoned to the gods the
Speaker 2: last if they say bad Blade Runners boring, it's a
Speaker 2: bad movie period. Sorry, It's like an amazing book by
Speaker 2: Philip K. Dick and it was like translated like purely
Speaker 2: stylistically and like is not. I don't think it's that good.
Speaker 2: I really actually don't think it's that good. Sorry, I
Speaker 2: think it's boring as well.
Speaker 1: I would shut down your Twitter when this comes out.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know this is gonna be
Speaker 2: It's not the first time that up.
Speaker 1: And anyway, what is the film that means the most
Speaker 1: to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good,
Speaker 1: but the experience you had around seeing it will always
Speaker 1: make it special to you, Okay.
Speaker 2: So I saw I was going to talk about how
Speaker 2: I saw Tar, and I was going to talk about
Speaker 2: how I saw Tar. And I never finished Tar because
Speaker 2: when I saw it with my mother, who I realized,
Speaker 2: I am constantly bringing up my mom and I guess
Speaker 2: she's the only person who ever watched movies with me.
Speaker 2: In my Tar life, there was a man crawling under
Speaker 2: the seat. What yeah, crawling under my seat? And then
Speaker 2: I said yeah, and then I said, excuse me, sir,
Speaker 2: are you okay? And he had diamond earrings on and
Speaker 2: a nurse outfit on. There was something going on, but whatever.
Speaker 2: And then he told me, I like, your.
Speaker 1: Shoes absolutely terrifying, scary, and then of the guy.
Speaker 2: Stars, yeah yeah, and honey, my shoes weren't My shoes
Speaker 2: weren't cute anything I was. I was wearing like really
Speaker 2: banged up sneakers, like I was wearing some crazy shoes.
Speaker 2: It was really scary. And then I left the theater.
Speaker 2: He followed me out. We had this alter kid, it
Speaker 2: was like a crazy Tar is like and I never
Speaker 2: finished it, but I said, I said, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to call the cops, just leave me alone. And he did,
Speaker 2: and then I carried on with my day. But my mother,
Speaker 2: who was who was like raised by a British person.
Speaker 2: I turned to her and I go, Mom, I have
Speaker 2: to leave the theater. Not to call you guys out,
Speaker 2: but I sometimes think this is a little British fer
Speaker 2: She goes like, I go, Mom, I have to leave
Speaker 2: the theater. There's a man under my seat. And then
Speaker 2: she goes, and then she goes, and then she goes, Okay,
Speaker 2: then move seats. I go, and I go, no, it's
Speaker 2: actually actually I can't do that. My experience has been ruined.
Speaker 2: And then she goes, I don't like letting fear win.
Speaker 1: But the guy is no.
Speaker 2: At this point, he's crawling.
Speaker 1: Back to his.
Speaker 2: So I don't like letting fear whin. And I said,
Speaker 2: which I think is sort of, you know, approximate to
Speaker 2: keep calm, carry on, you know what I mean, the
Speaker 2: famous keep calm, carry on. And I go, we're past
Speaker 2: the point of fear, mom, this is actually happening. And
Speaker 2: I go like, and then I'm like, and then I.
Speaker 1: Excore myself out of the theater, and your mom stays
Speaker 1: in to finish the film.
Speaker 2: She sees in an extra twenty minutes and she's really
Speaker 2: pissed off that I left, and she's pissed.
Speaker 1: She is, like.
Speaker 2: I think she was like thinking I was maybe being
Speaker 2: history on it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible, and I'm not denying your
Speaker 1: experience that it was a guyst when you saw her
Speaker 1: man in a nice under your thing? Did you say
Speaker 1: you lost? Sir? There are you lost?
Speaker 2: What I did say, though, actually chills, and I'm getting
Speaker 2: chills because he might be a ghost. Now I go,
Speaker 2: do you need help? That was actually what I asked her,
Speaker 2: So do you need help?
Speaker 1: Sir? Because the part of the story that's weird, and
Speaker 1: this is with all due respect to your mom, Your
Speaker 1: mom is the weird part of this story.
Speaker 2: Because yes, because it's like she couldn't tell what the crisis.
Speaker 1: If she's not going, Jesus Christ, your seat right for
Speaker 1: your life, she's going, I don't worry about it. You're
Speaker 1: being silly and you're going, yeah.
Speaker 2: I might have been the only one able to see him.
Speaker 1: Is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Oh, I never even thought of.
Speaker 1: That, Brett disturbing. It's much more disturbing if it's not
Speaker 1: a guys. You know what I mean? I'm sorry, this
Speaker 1: happened horrible.
Speaker 2: It's okay, you know, like things happen. It's New York City.
Speaker 2: It was a New York City. You know, things happened
Speaker 2: and I was fine. I know, I know I didn't,
Speaker 2: but I think it was fine.
Speaker 1: More.
Speaker 2: You know, like things happen and I'm fine, but it
Speaker 2: but it will forever. I do know what happens in Tar,
Speaker 2: I know the final scene or whatever. Like it's like,
Speaker 2: I know what happens in Tar, but I don't think
Speaker 2: i'll ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have tainted that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think i'll ever exactly. Yeah, absolutely fair
Speaker 2: period period.
Speaker 1: What is the film you most relate to and would
Speaker 1: it have been.
Speaker 2: To the film I most relate to. I'm really gonna
Speaker 2: say the most annoying answer, I'm so do people just
Speaker 2: hate their answers?
Speaker 1: No, people like, oh I haven't. My answers are very clever.
Speaker 1: People are saying they're always good. Everyone's good.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Everyone's answer is so revealing. When I listened to past episodes,
Speaker 2: there's there's such a there's such perfect portraits of people. Okay, Uh, Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say my the most relatable film is either
Speaker 2: Slums of every Hill, which was a big film for me.
Speaker 2: Natash Leone looked a lot like me. Yeah, and she
Speaker 2: in that movie is like, you know, I might sound
Speaker 2: like a nepotism baby because my father managed the theater
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, but it is sort of the slums
Speaker 2: of Beverly Hill. It's the lowest rum of the entertainment industry,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It is one it's one
Speaker 2: step before writing home to mom and going back to
Speaker 2: Kansas or whatever. You know, Like, it's not it's not
Speaker 2: it's not fab. So I related to this character of
Speaker 2: having this sort of this dad that's trying to keep
Speaker 2: everything afloat in sort of a chic, glamorous neighborhood but
Speaker 2: can't really cut it, and you're sort of at the
Speaker 2: mercy and the whim of, you know, like a lower
Speaker 2: aspect of a glamorous situation, the back end of glamorous situation.
Speaker 2: And I really related to that. And then on top
Speaker 2: of it, you know, I looked so similar to her,
Speaker 2: like it was like sort of like it was like a.
Speaker 1: Crazy, crazy experience that Yeah, what is the sexiest film?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, well I just saw it. Bra I
Speaker 2: can you leave this because oh my god, if we
Speaker 2: had talked like a few weeks ago, would have been
Speaker 2: a completely different answer.
Speaker 1: What would have been a few weeks ago?
Speaker 2: Breaking the waves?
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to In the Cut, which.
Speaker 2: Yeah, In the Cut is an amazing movie by Jane
Speaker 2: Campion and Mark ruff.
Speaker 1: You've seen this, I've seen this film.
Speaker 2: How did you as a man? How did you deal
Speaker 2: with Mark Ruffalo? How did you how? Because Mark Ruffalo
Speaker 2: is the hottest person, very sick I've ever that character,
Speaker 2: The way he's dealing with that woman is the sexiest
Speaker 2: thing I've ever seen my entire life. I thought my
Speaker 2: molecules are changing. I was like, I went, how is
Speaker 2: everyone not? It was shocking to my core? How did
Speaker 2: you as a man deal with seeing Mark reffl You're
Speaker 2: an actor?
Speaker 1: How do you? How did it make me go I
Speaker 1: should give up life? Because nowhere you.
Speaker 2: Go like, how am I going to stop at my game?
Speaker 2: Like you're like, how can I get?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: How am I gonna?
Speaker 1: Like? How am I going to do? How am I
Speaker 1: going to have sex like Mark Refflee Exactly?
Speaker 2: All I'm saying everyone who wants to have sex with
Speaker 2: some women channels and Mark Ruffalo and the cut, real
Speaker 2: real tip, real advice.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah right, a very misunderstood film when it first
Speaker 1: came up.
Speaker 2: Totally yeah. So wait, can you talk to me about
Speaker 2: this because it was two thousand and three. What was
Speaker 2: the vibe of the film?
Speaker 1: This is the thing, this is the thing that happened,
Speaker 1: This is should be the outside of you were wrong
Speaker 1: about whatever. This was so of the thing that kind
Speaker 1: of ended Meg Ryan's career, which was and I remember
Speaker 1: like half seeing It's one of those things that I
Speaker 1: remembered wrong until I saw it till I saw it again,
Speaker 1: which is that there was a talk show I it
Speaker 1: is called Parkinson Michael Parkinson, and it was like the
Speaker 1: best one in England. I don't know what the equivalent
Speaker 1: with being in America, but you know, long fairly long
Speaker 1: form interviews with with the movie stars and stuff, and
Speaker 1: he was really good. It was always good. And Meg
Speaker 1: Ryan went on it to promote in the cut and
Speaker 1: they had a very awkward interaction. And the way it
Speaker 1: was sort of talked about in the press was like
Speaker 1: she was hard work, she was a nightmare. Like it
Speaker 1: was like she came out of it very badly. This
Speaker 1: sort of ruined her reputation or something like that. It
Speaker 1: was really it was like pre internet, so it was
Speaker 1: much more like movie stars were gods, and then here
Speaker 1: was this woman that we had all loved, kind of
Speaker 1: being shit on TV and beating this interview and being
Speaker 1: rude to National Treasure Michael Parkinson and all that. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I then years later saw this on the Internet, this interview.
Speaker 1: He's being fucking horrible.
Speaker 2: To it really is, and he's like asking her questions.
Speaker 1: Or he hates He clearly hates the film, and he's
Speaker 1: clearly like triggered by the film because she says something like,
Speaker 1: I think the aim of this film was to make
Speaker 1: a non romantic romance film. She says something like that,
Speaker 1: and he says, why would you want to do that?
Speaker 1: What's wrong with romance? And he gets really sort of defensive,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like she's essentially saying this
Speaker 1: was like a feminist telling of a sexual love story,
Speaker 1: and he seems to be like offended or scared of
Speaker 1: what she's saying, and so he's really being quite difficult
Speaker 1: with her until eventually she kind of shuts down, and
Speaker 1: then he goes, what do you want me to do now?
Speaker 1: And she says maybe we should just wrap it up,
Speaker 1: and he goes, okay, well that was Meg Ryan and
Speaker 1: it's like a nightmare.
Speaker 2: But also the weird part is is that it's so
Speaker 2: evident that this type of character became like totally like
Speaker 2: water marked by Nicole Kidman, and then I did research,
Speaker 2: Like it's so weird, like you look at my grind
Speaker 2: and you're like, this is a Nicole Kidman, yeah, character.
Speaker 1: But it's years ahead of his time that film. When
Speaker 1: you think about now that film would be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course everywhere it was years ahead.
Speaker 2: I guess it's totally years ahead. But I say, you
Speaker 2: know when American writers can go pencils up again? I go,
Speaker 2: you have to. The level of sexuality is so like dangerous.
Speaker 2: I don't there's so little films that are actually saying
Speaker 2: doing anything, And it's like sexuality in that way is
Speaker 2: very campy. There's a camp aspect to it, which is
Speaker 2: why in the Cut is such a complicated film and
Speaker 2: at first you're like, is this a piece of shit?
Speaker 2: Like is this like the worst film ever made? Or
Speaker 2: the best film ever? Because it's like to talk about
Speaker 2: murder and sex and a single woman and all of this,
Speaker 2: like you're a non romantic romance film. It's so camp.
Speaker 2: There's something so corny about it, and it's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I wonder maybe we as a culture no
Speaker 2: longer can like take the cringe or something or something.
Speaker 2: But there's like it's such a complicated or like really on,
Speaker 2: I don't have many other examples of that type of
Speaker 2: writing or that type of romance. But you also look
Speaker 2: at this like Nicole Kimmen thing, and I go Nicole Kimmen.
Speaker 2: This was like a Nicole Kimmen character. Nicole Kimmen was
Speaker 2: the first pick for that role a I found out, yes,
Speaker 2: and she turned it down because she was tired from
Speaker 2: her divorce from Tom Cruise. She was too exhausted. So
Speaker 2: it went to Meg Ryan. But Nicole Kimmen's name is
Speaker 2: still on as executive producer on the film, which is fascinating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy, it's very much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's fascinating that Meg Ryan's career. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: you're saying like it was totally never heard from again.
Speaker 1: We never heard from her again. It's so sad. She's
Speaker 1: so great, great, there's this subcagriage. This question troubling is worrying.
Speaker 1: Why don't film you found a rousing that you went,
Speaker 1: sure you should.
Speaker 2: What is it, Rebe Mine's a really pretentious but really
Speaker 2: bad one. This is I don't know, well, it's Death
Speaker 2: in Venice.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, which is?
Speaker 2: But it's about a troubling boner. It's about a troubling
Speaker 2: arousal and I and it's like about two men and
Speaker 2: who is it? Oh my god, it's Stick Boguard. It's right, Dirk.
Speaker 2: He's amazing. He's so amazing. Servant is also a troubling
Speaker 2: boner film too. If you've ever seen Servant, is.
Speaker 1: That the one with Charlotte?
Speaker 2: Yes, And it's about this guard plays Yes, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no. Maybe Charlie Rampling is not in it, but
Speaker 2: it's like it's about like Dirk Bogart is a servant
Speaker 2: to this like young rich guy in the sixties. It's
Speaker 2: like a it's a very scary movie too. It's so
Speaker 2: good and hot and weird and it's about like two
Speaker 2: men being like obsessed with each other and like you
Speaker 2: don't know if it's gay, and it might not be.
Speaker 2: It's like that's a really crazy, horrendous boner movie. And
Speaker 2: Devin Venice is also a similar a similar category of
Speaker 2: like it's about two guys and it's disturbing, and and
Speaker 2: watching it is so disturbing, and but you're obsessed with it.
Speaker 2: And Dirk Bogart is a real troubling boner actor. You
Speaker 2: like want he's so hot. Yes, it's every single movie
Speaker 2: he does is like why is this? Why is this
Speaker 2: sort of sexy? And why is this so upsetting? That's
Speaker 2: a complicated This is complicated answer because Death in Venice
Speaker 2: is about a young boy and there's like a whole
Speaker 2: freaking documentary about how casting that kid was like the
Speaker 2: worst thing that's ever happened, you know, Like it's like
Speaker 2: that's a really troubling one.
Speaker 1: That's what that's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like Andy Hall is a similar one. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like that's so you want to you want it's
Speaker 2: so fun and then obviously you know it's like a
Speaker 2: similar but Death and Venice is majinie. And there was
Speaker 2: also that new meme that was circling around the summer
Speaker 2: that was Jerk Bogard and Death and Venice like in
Speaker 2: a beach chair and it's like me this summer, like
Speaker 2: instead of hot girl summer, it's like Jerk Boguard being
Speaker 2: sickly in the sense, and that is a good meme.
Speaker 1: That's a good Yeah, what's subjectively the greatest film of
Speaker 1: all time since.
Speaker 2: I couldn't Yeah, Okay, let's.
Speaker 1: Go for it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 1: Okay, my god, this is.
Speaker 2: Like, this is such a hard question, dude. Really, these
Speaker 2: are hard questions. That's terribly hard. Wizard of Oz obviously,
Speaker 2: because like it changed like the unconscious of the whole
Speaker 2: world or whatever, you know what I mean, Like we're
Speaker 2: always like thinking about the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 1: And I've seen behind the cut and I've seen the
Speaker 1: ways that we're always I said, every day.
Speaker 2: I say it, every day. I said it today, I said,
Speaker 2: I was explaining my existential feeling at the moment, and
Speaker 2: I said, there's no illusion of a wizard anymore. There
Speaker 2: is just a man.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and the and the Munch, the Emerald City,
Speaker 2: like every single thing about it is is puncture. It's
Speaker 2: also like one of the first films many people see.
Speaker 2: And I think that's an interesting fact too, And it
Speaker 2: was it was technicallor it's like the first like those colors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2: It's a great film. It's a great movie. I rewatched
Speaker 2: it recently and it's really moving.
Speaker 1: Moving.
Speaker 2: You're crying crying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're crying, crying, You're crying, crying. What's the film
Speaker 1: you could or have watched the most over and over again.
Speaker 2: Okay, so then this is when we're coming back full sir,
Speaker 2: we're going sensible. Vard is the most watched film I've
Speaker 2: ever watched. A great question, and everyone asked, yeah.
Speaker 1: Fantastic question for you. Have you seen the Andrew Lloyd
Speaker 1: Webber Sunset Boulevard?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I haven't have you.
Speaker 1: I've seen it a number of times, and I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this, I really like it. I tell you why
Speaker 1: I like it, And I think I like it because
Speaker 1: I really like the story and the music's really good,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, it's just a fucking great story.
Speaker 1: And now they've just set it to music and it's
Speaker 1: almost word for word the film. It just is it
Speaker 1: occasionally rhymes like yeah it's in you go, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: doing that brilliant story now with some banging chunes in it.
Speaker 2: Did you see it with Glenn Close? But who was
Speaker 2: Norma Desmond?
Speaker 1: I think I saw it.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty great. It's great, and it has a car
Speaker 1: chase on stage, which I've always said that's what theater
Speaker 1: is missing. Chase is on stage.
Speaker 2: Well we have to. I mean, he's gotten enough of words.
Speaker 2: But Andrew Lloyd Weber is going, what can we put
Speaker 2: on stage this time? He's going, He's going, let's get
Speaker 2: let's get the water off. She goes, He've got to
Speaker 2: get this water on stage. He's not settling for less funny.
Speaker 2: He is getting this water on the Stage's like, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: And the car. I had no idea about the car,
Speaker 2: but it's like that, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 2: When William Holden goes, not having my car in Los
Speaker 2: Angeles is like not having my legs, Like it's like
Speaker 2: nothing that was written in nineteen forty nine. It's like
Speaker 2: we could never.
Speaker 1: It's like, ugh, it does does how It is like
Speaker 1: remarkably the same, the same, Yeah, you go, It's the same,
Speaker 1: that the same.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent except for one thing. And I will
Speaker 2: give this to civilization. William Holden calls Norman Desmond at
Speaker 2: for being an actress at the age of fifty. She's
Speaker 2: supposed to be fifty years old. But there is this implication,
Speaker 2: especially in the bridge scene in Sunset Boulevard where Buster
Speaker 2: Keaton is in like in one of his Oh my god,
Speaker 2: it's like so devastating. Buster Keaton is literally in the
Speaker 2: shot where William Holden it's like a pan around this
Speaker 2: bridge table and it's William Holden's genius voiceover. It's like,
Speaker 2: and that that theme is really good of that movie too.
Speaker 2: There it's so creepy. The music is so creepy in
Speaker 2: that movie. They pan around the bridge table and then
Speaker 2: William Holden goes like in every Friday she would invite
Speaker 2: her whack.
Speaker 1: This works.
Speaker 2: Oh And it was this implication of these like old
Speaker 2: aging actors, but they are all supposed to be their fifties.
Speaker 2: It's like, honey, now times have changed. I guess it's
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know. They're well, yeah they have, but also we
Speaker 1: live longer now. People used to diet fifty back then.
Speaker 2: I know, and they looked so I mean that's the
Speaker 2: other thing is like everyone's looking as young as a
Speaker 2: bug these days.
Speaker 1: What a great film? What is the worst film you've
Speaker 1: ever seen? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a great answer too, because I really
Speaker 2: I thank God for a letterboxed. Oh my god, shout
Speaker 2: out for Letterbox. I would never have a single answer
Speaker 2: for this if it was not for that application I
Speaker 2: wrote By the Sea.
Speaker 1: Have you seen this movie? I have seen By the
Speaker 1: Sea a little two hours and I.
Speaker 2: Have too, and it's the worst film I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: But I love it. I mean I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. I
Speaker 2: can't stop. I love it, and I love how again
Speaker 2: back to all actors are reincarnated soldiers theme. I uh,
Speaker 2: I love that actors get really obsessed with, like, how
Speaker 2: can we make a movie? I myself guilty of this.
Speaker 2: How can we make a movie that's about sort of
Speaker 2: sex getting a little perverted. It's like it's like it's
Speaker 2: like that's the hot idea from an actor. It's like,
Speaker 2: how can we make it a little sexy in a
Speaker 2: crazy sort of French way. It's like it's like or
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Or like how can we
Speaker 2: incorporate some poison? Or like how can we incorporate some
Speaker 2: naughty It's like so so written by actors. It's basically
Speaker 2: the only document written by actors. It's the most actor
Speaker 2: thing I've ever seen in my entire life. It's it's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, you know what I mean. It's like everybody
Speaker 2: wants to be in like Who's afraid of Virginia Wolf?
Speaker 2: Like everybody wants to be in that play. So it's
Speaker 2: like and every actor is like I've always wanted to
Speaker 2: play George or like I've always wanted to play Martha,
Speaker 2: and so it's like, actually, honey, we can do that
Speaker 2: if we write this script about a French hotel and
Speaker 2: we get to get drunk and yell at each other.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's the it's the need, right, it's the
Speaker 2: it's the compulsive twenty first century actors need to do
Speaker 2: Who's afraid of Virginia Wolf's which it's true, true, we're
Speaker 2: all we're all desperate for it.
Speaker 1: We don't want to do it.
Speaker 2: I did want to do of course, Yeah, exactly, that's
Speaker 2: what everybody wants to do. It's the best one.
Speaker 1: It's the best one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the best one.
Speaker 1: So it's the play.
Speaker 2: It's actually the only good play. And if we just
Speaker 2: sit we and really like maybe I do like Arkadia
Speaker 2: a lot, but but besides that, that's that's that's that's
Speaker 2: me being that's me being decorative, me saying Arcadie. That's
Speaker 2: like me full ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, plays boring except for.
Speaker 2: And we are lying to ourselves every goddamn day being
Speaker 2: like look at all these plays. Like it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: we could do a play. It's like that's a lie.
Speaker 2: The human race wants to do one.
Speaker 1: But you said today that's the only play.
Speaker 2: It's the only play.
Speaker 1: No stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or it's like we're doing a dolls house and
Speaker 2: it's like the person it's like, it's like, how can
Speaker 2: we make our dolls house be? Who's Afraid of Virgin?
Speaker 2: Every It's like everything it's like if you see it
Speaker 2: through these lenses now, it's like most contemporary art is like,
Speaker 2: how can we make it? Who's you?
Speaker 1: Change my life? Again? It's what is the funniest film
Speaker 1: you've ever seen? What makes you laugh? What film made
Speaker 1: you laugh the most?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, okay, this is a this was also I'm
Speaker 2: sure people have said this one too, and again it's
Speaker 2: so on brand too, but I can't help being myself.
Speaker 2: Is Waiting for Guffman is the funniest film to me
Speaker 2: of all time?
Speaker 1: Great?
Speaker 2: Obviously, yeah, obviously, very similar idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a group of people trying to make ye
Speaker 1: Ruby mcaulist. You have been wonderful. You have taken us
Speaker 1: on a journey, thank you, across time and to the
Speaker 1: other side. However, when you were when what some would
Speaker 1: call too chill, you were so chill that you were
Speaker 1: sat down, you were just being chill, and you were
Speaker 1: so fucking chill that your heart went stop. I'll just
Speaker 1: stop beating. We're just chilling. Yeah, we're just chill, baby,
Speaker 1: And the heart stopped, and then you're all going to
Speaker 1: stop working. And then suddenly in the way that you
Speaker 1: dreamed of, not quite because it was a bit quicker,
Speaker 1: but you realized, oh, I'm dying slowly but in a
Speaker 1: like hot way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely love love, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm walking. I'm walking through Hollywood with a coffin. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I go, I just pop in check
Speaker 1: in on Ruby, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I knew.
Speaker 1: She was chilling, but she's she's chilled. She's done it again.
Speaker 1: She's chilled too hard. And I come in. You're dead
Speaker 1: and I have to chop you up because I brought
Speaker 1: I've misjudged, chop mere. I have to chop you up
Speaker 1: to fit you into the coffin. Chop you God stuff
Speaker 1: doing stuff you in and I'm having to smash you
Speaker 1: in there anyway. It's grammed. There's only enough room in
Speaker 1: this coffin me to slip one DVD into the side
Speaker 1: for you to take across to the other side. And
Speaker 1: when you get there, it's movie night every night. What
Speaker 1: film are you taking to show the musicians of Heaven
Speaker 1: when it's your movie night? Ruby mccallis the third all
Speaker 1: about Eve, great twists perfectly on bread. You've done it,
Speaker 1: I did it. Is there anything you would like to
Speaker 1: tell people to watch? I believe that this sadly is
Speaker 1: not coming out in time for the Edinburgh Festival, so
Speaker 1: it's totally the tour of your show, which you will
Speaker 1: be doing I'm sure around the world.
Speaker 2: Yes, my show is called Tragedy and it's about basically
Speaker 2: my fixation on all of these macabre themes of failure
Speaker 2: and jaf because I was raised in the hell mouse
Speaker 2: that we call Los Angeles. That's yeah, that's what it's about.
Speaker 2: And you love your gry I sing, I entertain you
Speaker 2: know it's it's it's yeah, it's on brand, that's what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: It's brand. Ruby. You've been a pleasure. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, this has been so fun.
Speaker 1: Good luck in Edinburgh. Thank you, Bret, I have a
Speaker 1: wonderful death.
Speaker 2: Thank you, goodbye.
Speaker 1: So that was episode two hundred and sixty six. Head
Speaker 1: over to the patroon at patreon dot com. Forward Slash
Speaker 1: Brett Goodsting for the extra secrets and video with Ruby.
Speaker 1: Go to Apple Podcast give us a five start rating.
Speaker 1: But right about the film. It means the most to
Speaker 1: you and why my neighbor Marien loves reading. It always
Speaker 1: makes a grind. It's very much appreciated. Thank you all
Speaker 1: for listening. Thank you to Ruby for doing the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you to Scruby's Pip and the Distraction Pieces of Network.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Buddy Piece for producing it. Thanks to iHeartMedia
Speaker 1: and We'll Fare with Big Money Players Network for hosting it.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Admitchison for the graphics and Lisa Linen for
Speaker 1: the photography. Coming join me next week for an absolutely
Speaker 1: smashing guest. In the meantime, that's it for now, have
Speaker 1: a lovely week and please now would never be excellent
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