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Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Welcome to the news edition of the Giant

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Speaker 1: Shuttle Podcast. John Smoke with you today's guest Giants rookie

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Speaker 1: cornerback Darnay Holmes. But first, I don mind everybody. You

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Speaker 1: of the Giants Podcast Network. And now we're joined by

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Speaker 1: our guests, Giants rookie quarterback darn A Holmes. Though, Darnay,

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Speaker 1: now that we're about twelve games into this thing, do

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Speaker 1: Given everything you've seen and been through so far. Definitely

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Speaker 1: don't consider myself as a rookie, but definitely still doing

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Speaker 1: but definitely uh impressed with my improvement. Constantly want to

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good place to start. Where do

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Speaker 1: would say, really just graphing the concepts that Coach Graham

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Speaker 1: and Coach Jeron wants me to do, you know, being

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Speaker 1: asked about where he thought you have improved the most

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Speaker 1: this year, and he mentioned, you know, one basic thing,

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Speaker 1: which is just playing leverage correctly. So can you just

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Speaker 1: kind of explain to fans why for a player that

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Speaker 1: specifically plays that nickel slot corner position, why doing something

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Speaker 1: as fundamental as playing your leverage correctly can be so important? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So pretty much is playing your leverage is doing your job,

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Speaker 1: you know, doing your one eleven. And by playing your

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Speaker 1: wants us to limit it, you know, so when you

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Speaker 1: give up your leverage, you're giving up pretty much the

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Speaker 1: scheme of the defense. So once I learned that later

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Speaker 1: I have this leverage and just so fans understand when

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Speaker 1: when you say leverage, it basically means that they're playing

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Speaker 1: on where your help is with the rest of the defense. Exactly, exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So pretty much is playing, uh, you're taking away something

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Speaker 1: So just pretty much understanding the play call and understanding

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Speaker 1: where your leverage is on that play. You know, Darna,

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Speaker 1: more complicated, maybe, if I can't use a better word,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's more easy and going easy going

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Speaker 1: post snap with the leverage and stuff like that, and

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Speaker 1: so pretty much, Logan, he just puts things in perspective

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Speaker 1: with your team needs each and every Sunday. The New

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Speaker 1: you need. Most We're drawn by Darnay Holmes. What's unique

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Speaker 1: the results. Now, you guys have gotten great results and

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Speaker 1: you've kind of slowly morphed into a pretty heavy zone

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