WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Analyzing First 2 Games 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:05.560 The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:15.880 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys let go. Are 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.800 you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:23.920 a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, and so 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.800 much for that. It's time for the Break on Dallas 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:33.919 Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:40.519 Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, May eighteenth, twenty 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.400 twenty two, Seasons eighteen, Episode number nine. Welcome to latest 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.199 edition All of the Break. We are live from the 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.000 s WBC Mortgage Studios at the start at my crew, Nick, 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.560 Amber and Dave with me. We only have a few 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:53.400 more shows here before we get a little bit of 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.960 a break before training camp. But we're already talking about 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.800 training camp, so you guys get ready. There'll be lots 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.279 of lots of story lines to follow throughout our time 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.200 I knocks Art. This year, we'll be back to normal. 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.360 I think Amber might be with us a little bit. Obviously. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:08.280 Dave and Nick we're going to be. There's no other 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.840 place that there they could be. But I got a 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.120 lot to do. Love hearing that from my boss. Yeah, 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.760 like nobody's told me anything. So that's great. I know 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:20.800 we're getting past We're getting past COVID for the most part. Yeah. Still, yeah, 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.240 it's still like obviously this is happening. It's like, yeah, 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:30.360 well obviously unless unless something changes with regard to COVID. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.280 Looks like we might be back onto some normal things. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.000 I know, I had a conversation about us having our 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:36.880 normal spot at training camp. We don't have to be 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.480 secluded in some trailer like we were last year, and 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:41.600 so that's a that's a step in the right direction. 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.800 I'm excited. It's just kind of funny to me, just 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.120 because yesterday I had this conversation with you in a 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.000 meeting about a training camp. You're like, well, I don't 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.200 know anything. We don't know yet, it's too early. And 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:51.880 then he come on the air and you're like, well, 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:53.480 it looks like it's going to be back to normal. 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.160 It's like like we're talking about training they're having thing 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:57.600 to do with the number of people that are going 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.280 just has everything to do with we're gonna be there, 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.680 we will be there. Cool. Well, either way, we've started 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.520 seeing that here already. You know, we got access back 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.079 to normal. You got open locker room, you go in there, 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.160 that hasn't happened in what three years? Years? Yes, it 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:14.000 feels like, yeah, that was cool. I mean I was 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.360 in locker room the other day this weekend, and I 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.200 was kind of surprised that, you know, the guy would 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:20.720 stand at his locker and there would be a lot 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.160 of people around it and there's nobody had on masks, 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.320 knowing that you know, well not not most people. Yeah, 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:30.079 most people do not never sound but for the most part. Now, yeah, Well, 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:31.720 speaking of which, let's talk a little bit about the 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.880 rookie minicamp. There were quite a few media people out 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.560 here covering the Cowboys this weekend. Let's start first with 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.920 just some general observations, because I know, sometimes when you 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.520 see guys on draft day or when you've watched the 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.840 film on them, you kind of have an opinion of them, 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.680 and then you see them in person and you get 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.359 a different opinion, whether that be just in their physical 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.919 appearance or whether that be you know, seeing them run 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:56.800 around a little bit. Let's start first, Let's go around 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:58.800 the table. Just give me one general observation of a 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.840 guy you noticed that something stood out to you about him. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.800 Let's start with you, Nick, Well, I'm probably not a 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.919 good person to start with here, because I don't it's 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.600 so hard to evaluate this. We know this. So when 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.840 we were able to, we were writing something on the 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.160 side about picked two guys. I picked two guys and 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.040 had nothing to do with him on the field. One 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.880 of them doesn't even practice, Damon Clark. But I really 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.600 love what I saw from him as far as being 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.440 engaged and not like he's not practicing, but he isn't 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.080 doing as much as you possibly could do. He's standing 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.360 behind there, he's looking and he's looking what the linebackers do. 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:37.600 He's still taking the same steps he's trying to he's 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.360 like inching to get back at there. For when it 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:44.440 sounds like Britt Brown, there's obviously the director of rehabit 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:49.120 and on the medical side, he likes himself. I mean 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:50.560 he likes him. He's like this kid, you know, and 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:52.640 that's kind of hard to do for him, you know. 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.280 But he's coming, he's ready to go. And I think 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.680 whenever he does get get get back, I think he's 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:02.400 gonna be like he's taking these mental reps. It's good. Yeah. 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.720 One of the things that I noticed just in for 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:09.560 the most part in general, just their physique, physique, you know, 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:14.000 the the body type that some of these guys they 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.279 showed up here like with some good amount of muscles, 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.000 and we see the difference between rookies and like year 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.559 to the kind of like the changes that their body 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.040 go through. But like you talk about Tyler Smith, like 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.280 he like he's a big guy and like his arm 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.800 is huge and long, and it's like it's impressive like 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.560 to me, because I feel like not every year with 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:40.160 every rookies that come in that they look that way, 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:44.400 that it just looks like they have more built to them. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.520 A guy that I really liked a lot. I didn't 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.320 get to see him much on the field, but off 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:53.400 the field is the receiver, he told her. He he 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.000 I am a fan. He's such a cool dude. He's 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.800 very very nice. I loved him. I'm rooting for him 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.280 all already. As soon as you get someone with such 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:06.120 a good personality and just a good vibe, you instantly 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.520 become a fan. So I'm looking forward to what he 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.800 can do and then real quick another guy I did 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.599 not get to meet him in person, but Nick did 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.719 us a favors for for some almost cowboys. He got 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:22.000 an interview, UM got him to speak, but currently he 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:27.640 is the only kicker on the team, and that's Umbai 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:34.160 Jonathan gart I Bay okay, Jonathan gay No. But he's 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.839 a Mexican descent, so obviously we're gonna be putting a 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:41.320 lot of stuff out the summost part, but just just 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.039 really cool to see. I haven't seen him kicking and stuff, 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.360 and that surprises me that he's currently the only kicker 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.160 on the team. And the fact that they cut how 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.560 do you say his last name, nick, I'm scared to 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:55.240 say the last name, Nagar. Yes, they cut him, so 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.120 that was kind of I don't know, it just caught 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.280 me off guard. I didn't expect that to happen. I'm 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.160 sure why exactly that happened. Say his name for me again, 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.720 Gubb got by Gotti bay okay, but you can say 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:11.800 it in English too, garbay I preferred like it was No, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.520 that's not it. It was a clerical move to fit 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.479 somebody else on the roster, like they in all likelihood 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:21.200 will bring Nagara back or somebody else, like they're they're 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.480 not just going to handle the kicker job to Jonathan 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.960 um so, but he has a shot to absolutely. I 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:28.839 mean I would call him a favorite right now, but 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.200 like there will be another kicker at camp, even if 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.440 he's not here right now. Um, I agree with what 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.120 you said at the top A G I was, I 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:41.480 feel dumb for how impressed I was by Tyler Smith 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.240 because like he played left tackle at a high level 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.920 in major college football, Like you have to be an 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:50.400 athlete to do that. But I was pretty impressed by 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.760 his athleticism, Like he hasn't played guards since he was 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.520 in high school. He didn't really play tackle at all, 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.760 Like he spent all of rookie camp at a new 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:02.520 position and yeah he and again like I hope people understand, 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.760 like this isn't even like a training camp practice, like 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:09.159 the rosters limited, You've only got like ten offensive linemen 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:10.840 like you in a lot of spots. You don't even 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.400 have enough players to have a real practice. Like good 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.640 luck evaluating the quarterbacks and receivers at those practices, because 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.360 it was it was tough to watch, like two quarterbacks 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.200 who weren't even signed, like they were tryout guys windy conditions. 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:28.920 Just I learned nothing about actual football, But watching Tyler Smith, 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.480 I was like, Okay, this guy's a lot more graceful 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.520 of an athlete than I gave him credit for. Because 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.080 you hear like six five three twenty five and you're like, 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.960 he's kind of a big, sloppy guy. Not really like 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.720 he carries his weight really well for a guy that size, 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.120 like he he looks about as fit as you could 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.160 expect the guy that size to look with maybe the 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.240 exception of Tyrn Smith, who's an alien. And I just 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.000 I thought he moved around really well. I thought he 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:57.280 looked natural. I thought, yeah, I was. I was impressed 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.520 by just the little that I saw from him, you know, 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.640 think to put it all in perspective. I heard this today. 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:06.040 This was a conversation that happened between scouts at the practice, 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.600 literally at practice a practice the other day. You know, yeah, 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.600 this this conversation happened, and so real quick, I'll just 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:16.679 ask you, Dave, how do you think the quarterbacks looked? Bad? Okay, cool, 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:22.360 so so real bad? So I was gonna. I was sorry. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.960 I was standing next to dry But anyways, they had, 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:26.840 you know those little things that they put up with 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.400 the holes where they throw the balls. Everything was amiss. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.840 I not once did see the ball going through the hole. 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.440 But sorry to that does mess up the point actually, 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.400 but but the point was in this particular conversation. I 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.120 think it was Tolbert or I don't know, one of 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.679 the one of the receivers, but they're they're watching him 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.520 and he's on the outside. You know, he's split out wide. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.520 He runs ten yards hard cut to the outside, boom, 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.640 goes to the sideline, and everyone's like, man, that was 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.240 that was nice? Well he looks looks smooth in his 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.880 cut on that ball comes thrown right behind, way behind him, 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:04.480 and you know, terrible throw. Probably day. Everybody's like this 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.800 guy sucks or whatever, and so these scouts are like, yeah, 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:09.120 that was that was That was a good cut there 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.760 by the receiver. Bad throw. And then other scout that 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.839 kind of knows the plays a little bit was like, yeah, 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:15.800 you ran in the wrong route. You read in the 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:17.720 wrong route. It's supposed to be a stop. It's supposed 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.960 to be a ten yards stopped turn around. The ball 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:21.920 probably would have been there, would have been nice, and 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:23.959 we might have been like, hey, that's nice throw. Whatever. 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.079 But like the point to all that is is you 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.600 don't know what they're doing out there. They might look 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.160 like they're going they're going the right way, but they're not. 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.560 So it's hard to evaluate anybody because of the rookies. 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.920 Not only are going up against other rookies, but they 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:39.760 don't know anything. None of them know anything. Yeah, the 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.440 quarterbacks did look bad, but yeah, but no, but like 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.120 there's a little bit of everything. Yeah, like these guys 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.280 have never practiced together. I'm sure not all the receivers 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.160 knew what they were doing. Like literally, I was mainly 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.640 I spent most of the two days looking at Tyler 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:55.720 Smith and Matt will Let's go, because they were playing 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.000 left guard and left tackle, and I was like, okay, well, 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.800 at the very least I can s get an idea 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:02.880 for how these guys move and how they communicate with 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.920 each other, because everything else is just a free for 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:09.600 all of bad throws, bad routes. The wind was really 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.360 bad on Friday, to the point that it was like 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:15.600 carrying balls out of bounds that were Yeah, it just 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.960 everything about it was and everybody, you know, everybody gets 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:20.840 all excited, and I get it because it's the first 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.760 time we've been able to watch something resembling practice. But 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.680 it's not that you know, so you mentioned will LESCo. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.840 Tell me what you guys saw from from him? I mean, 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.920 obviously both he and Tyler Smith were work in there 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.120 at guard and tackle, what do you see there saw 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.640 nothing on the other side of him. I mean he 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.720 blocks everything, like as far as like just he's six eight, 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:47.319 he's he's absolutely massive. So there's no like there will 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:49.520 all be any of this, Like who is that wilesco 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.600 Of course it's here because he's the one that like 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.360 urban like you just noticed him among the crowd of giants. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.760 He's the giant and the giants. Yeah, but you know, 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.520 I think so he's got that and you knew that 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:02.400 just by looking at the paper and looking at the size. 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.560 But like I think, you know, from a feat standpoint, 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.120 I mean, he seems like he moves pretty pretty well 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.680 for a guy that's carrying that much size. Yeah. Again, 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.960 I'm not gonna say that one didn't surprise me because 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.280 we saw all the stuff about his athletic testing and 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.600 how he's one of the most athletic tackles to test 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.200 in the last thirty years. But he looks like, yeah, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.240 like he moves really well. Again, when I hear six 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.800 eight offensive tackle, I'm like, okay, Like if you remember 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.760 our good buddy Dan Skipper love Dan, but like this 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:34.960 big dude, or you're like Oh he's huge, and you're like, 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.560 you got the size, but it's it's tough for you 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.440 to kick out there and get get in the way 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.240 of some of these guys. But I thought, I thought, well, 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:46.000 let's go moved really gracefully for a guy who's six eight. 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.560 Not to again not to say like he was perfect. 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.280 I think Sam Williams beat him a few times. I thought. 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.600 Another big takeaway I had was like Mike McCarthy was 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.080 he said himself, He was like, yeah, Sam Williams like 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.280 he got cleaning in the backfield like two or three times. 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.400 It's just a weird thing to hear a coach say, 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.160 because that's the type of stuff we say, you know, like, 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.400 oh he he won that rep. He beat him on 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.800 that rep. Like coaches don't usually get into that publicly, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.160 but McCarthy, especially at this day, Yeah you're talking about 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.520 McCarthy was like, yeah, he got cleaning in the backfield 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:15.600 like two or three times on Friday. Yeah. This this 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.199 this draft class is going to be defined by two things. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:24.280 Ken Tyler Smith, you know, like be a great starter somewhere, 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.160 whether it be the guard or tackle. You know, if 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:31.000 he's going to be that. And Ken Sam Williams. Just 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.160 just stay on the field and don't don't get in trouble, 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.440 don't you know, just just mature a little bit. And 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.200 I think he knows that and everyone knows that because 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.960 I think athletically he's got it. You could just tell 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.000 by some of the drills, by some of those things. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:45.880 He's got it. And he always had. He had it 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:47.400 at Old Miss. It was just some of the other 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.000 things that dropped him to the second round. But if 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:54.120 he can, they can figure that out for him. So 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.120 I guess we're calling him Sam. Now we're not calling him. 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.480 He's gone himself Sam, which is yeah, okay, so back 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:04.280 to Sam. I'm all over no no, no, no, no, 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.800 hi No, that is a him thing. Okay. He said 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.240 call me D And then I think he was like, Oh, 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.880 it's weird that a bunch of strangers I've never met, 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.439 or calling me by a name that my that's reserved 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.760 for like my people, which I totally get. Like, you know, 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.439 if somebody like if if you call me like by 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.320 a cute nickname and I don't know you like that, 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:28.880 I'm like, oh yeah, right, tiny tiny gym or that 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:30.800 that became the people's name for you. I was gonna 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.760 tiny gym. I didn't really have a choice. But like, 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.199 you know, if you call me like Davy and you're 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:39.120 not my mom or my girlfriend, like, don't call me Davy. Yeah. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.880 Uh so yeah, I feel right. Yeah, it's like me 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.959 calling Nick Nikki like that just doesn't work. Yeah, I 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.600 hate that, but uh so, yeah, I think I call 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.320 you that what I want to. I think Sam was 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.760 like someone else in our group named Nikki called this confusion. Okay, 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:52.480 that's is that the reason why we're gonna get away 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.520 from them? So yeah, he said, you can call me Sam. 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.640 We've we've we've talked about him, We've talked about Tobered 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.040 a little bit. One guy we haven't talked about that. 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.240 I wanted to get some initial impressions on was tight 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.160 end Jake Ferguson. What'd you guys see there anything interesting 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.560 on the field off the field. I just think he 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.640 needs to start coming up on him today. Yeah, Rob 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:18.320 And basically you know him being number forty eight and 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.400 Daryl Johnston was a was a great blocker, you know, 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.360 a fullback, and that's what that's one of the things 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:26.800 that they want to see if this guy can do 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.720 that's why they drafted him, and I think, I gotta 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.760 go read the story. But apparently it's been it's been 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.920 pressed upon him that number forty eight means you better block, 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.880 and I think, well, somebody was like, okay, don't mess 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.960 it up. Don't mess up the number. I don't remember 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.320 what it was. If I was Jake Ferguson, I'd be like, okay, cool, 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:44.880 Like I'm not going to be forty eight when the 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.920 rosters cut down anyway, Like I'll wear it until September first. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.840 But who in their right mind wants to be forty 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.280 eight if they're not a fullback, Like I'm moving into 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:00.640 eighty the minute it becomes available or whatever. Anyway. Two, 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.360 I don't know about that. I just uh, he's coming 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.200 from Wisconsin. I think he's definitely he has the know 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:09.960 how in the willingness to do it. That's not what 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.480 I'm saying. But honestly, my main impression, like a lot 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.360 of tight ends coming out of college, I'm like, you 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.400 need some protein shakes and some time in the weight room, buddy. 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.000 I just it is what it is. He's like two 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.960 forty five to forty eight something like that. It's just 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.880 like I said, I'm not questioning his ability, but like 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.840 that's something with rookies, especially at those types of positions, 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.160 where it's like you will look he will look like 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.360 a different player this time next year. I'm sure. I mean, 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.120 what tight end has ever come in his first year 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.400 and it's been like this guy's stud It's really it's 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.680 really tough to do, especially the Cowboys haven't drafted a 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.480 first round tight end since I don't know David la Fleur. 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.000 I mean, and he even you know he did, he 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.480 wasn't that that great. Obviously got hurt, but like Witten 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.760 took some time. Schultz, I mean we said it on 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:56.760 this show. We didn't think he would be on the team. Yeah, 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.200 we were all like Jarwin needed a lot of development. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.760 If you're good enough to come in and ball as 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:05.320 a tight end immediately, you're usually a top twenty pick. Yeah, 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.400 I mean, I'm sure there's an outlier somewhere, but we've 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.040 talked about it before. Even Travis Kelson needed a year 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.800 where he really didn't do anything for the Chiefs as 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.240 a rookie, which is even more remarkable how good Kyle 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.320 Pitts was this year, which is just how good he is. TJ. 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.760 Hockinson Kyle Pitts, Like those guys go high, and Kyle 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:26.760 Pitts wasn't drafted for his blocking ability. That's the thing. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.520 You're you're asking more of a guy when you're looking 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.000 for that person to be able to help block in 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.880 the game, Like you need those muscles and strength, Like 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.000 you can't be just trying to run escape catch a ball. 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.960 Like now you're looking for someone ask the power to 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.960 push guys around and hold them down. So that's gonna 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.920 be I don't. I mean, we'll see if that happens 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.040 this year, but it's gonna be a challenge. I still 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.680 think Sprinkle is gonna have, you know, a chance to 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:56.200 stick around because Buddy's really doing what he does just 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.720 I mean, and it's not great. I mean, he's they're 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.440 trying to get better than from that, but you still 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:05.560 need a true blocking tight end. Yeah, I'm sprinkling throw 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.040 Sean mcun in there too, because he's a similar player 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.919 to Ferguson, but he's this will be his third NFL season. 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.320 You just you have an advantage of a knowing what 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.879 you're doing and being he has spent that time in 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:20.879 the program. So yeah, I'll be curious because like the 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.600 ideal scenario is that Ferguson is good enough to grab 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.720 the backup job right away. But that's a lot easier 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:28.920 said than done. And if Tyler Smith is the guard, 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:30.840 which sounds like you will be. And I know this 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.560 isn't a great plan, but like winn in doubt, I mean, 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.600 Connor McGovern can still provide some jumbo packages for them. 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.520 They can still do that. I actually liked when they 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.159 did that last Yeah, I thought he's pretty good in 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.679 that kind of role. I like it too. I just 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.719 think that it obviously, I mean, there's not a lot 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.439 of versatility out of it because it's not like you know, 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:53.240 like this tight end's gonna go out for a pass 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.000 or you know. So that's but you should be able 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:58.480 to just line up and run the ball and say 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.640 stop us. That's that's what you that's what you hope 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:02.560 you can get back to. You tell me, you tell me, 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.960 you give me a stronger guard, and I put McGovern 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:07.480 and let's say I line them up in the backfield 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.639 as they were doing a lot last year in those 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.159 in those goal line type packages, short yards type packages. 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.239 I feel really good about that. I'll run behind that. 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:15.919 Give me, give me you should be able to pick 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.040 up third and one in that kind of scenario, I 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.639 would I would like to think so, man, Yeah, you 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.240 would think so, right. Teen million dollars running back running 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.960 behind a three hundred pound and fullback and three hundred 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:30.159 and thirty pound guard, you would think you right. And 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:33.480 if you can't, we got some bigger problems here. Real quick, 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:34.880 before we go to break, I do want to talk 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.160 about undrafted free agents. I read the other day someone 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.320 was saying that this might be one of the better 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.399 undrafted free agent classes the Cowboys have had in a while. 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.600 Give me just one guy, one guy that you guys 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.119 think may have stood out, or that at least you're 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.960 keeping your eye on as an undrafted free agent type player. 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.080 If you don't go first, you could be. But let 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.640 you go first. No, go first? No, I got a few, 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:02.600 got it. I'm a dork. That's curious. I'm curious who 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:06.080 said that. Honestly, I haven't really heard that. I don't 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:07.560 know who was. I can't remember where I read it. 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.680 I read it somewhere, it was an article somewhere. I mean, well, 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:12.560 you know, obviously it's a it goes into the will 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:16.280 see category. But every time I looked up, yes, the 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.720 other day watching stuff and stuff that I just caught 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.199 my eye. It was forty one that that was the 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.000 guy Marquis Bell, and that's the guy the Cowboys gave 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:28.080 the most money too, Safety Safety, Florida, A and M. 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.359 And you know, I am again. It was it was 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.719 just you know, just T shirts and shorts out there. 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.040 But I thought he did all right. He's long and 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.480