Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to Movie Crush Friday Classic Edition.
Speaker 1: You know what that means, everybody is every once in
Speaker 1: a while, I get caught with my proverbial pants down
Speaker 1: and I had a guest cancel or something, and I
Speaker 1: don't have one in the hopper. And I've had to
Speaker 1: do this couple of times, and I appreciate your patients,
Speaker 1: but I always try and pick out a great classic episode.
Speaker 1: I think this is the third time I've done this.
Speaker 1: So this week I am going with one of my
Speaker 1: favorite all time episodes when I got to sit down
Speaker 1: with two of my uh professional peers and professional heroes,
Speaker 1: Karen killed Gareth and Georgia hard Stark of my favorite murder.
Speaker 1: That's right, everybody. If you're a murdering now, you've probably
Speaker 1: heard this one already. But if not, get ready to
Speaker 1: be delighted because I sat down with Karen and Georgia
Speaker 1: at a great time a couple of years ago. It
Speaker 1: out out in Los Angeles in person, and uh, they're
Speaker 1: just so lovely and wonderful, and I think so much
Speaker 1: about um, so much of what they've done, and there
Speaker 1: rise to fame as podcasters and it's it's just a
Speaker 1: great show. So check out My Favorite Murder if you haven't,
Speaker 1: and listen to this episode right now where we not
Speaker 1: only talk about podcasting and and all that other fun stuff,
Speaker 1: but we have a great, great deep dive into the
Speaker 1: classic thriller, one of their favorite films and mine the
Speaker 1: Silence of the Lambs. Check it out right now and
Speaker 1: we will be back next week with brand new episodes. Georgia.
Speaker 1: When you uh texted me to invite me to the
Speaker 1: the Theater in Atlanta to tell a murder story, I
Speaker 1: have never been more upset that I couldn't do something.
Speaker 1: Oh I was my in laws having like a birthday
Speaker 1: party for one of my family members, and you know,
Speaker 1: you gave me like two hours, and I was just
Speaker 1: so whenever you come to Atlanta, and I'll just be
Speaker 1: kind of sitting by the phone, like with no plans.
Speaker 1: Whatsoever are we doing at next time? I don't think
Speaker 1: so yeah, we well we'll be back to Georgia by
Speaker 1: the way, coming to I thought you'd come to the Fox. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're super excited about it. Did you forget? We just
Speaker 1: so kind of it's so huge that we kind of
Speaker 1: ignore it and tell it's like the day before the Foxes,
Speaker 1: Like that's the big theater in Atlanta that grew up,
Speaker 1: the big beautiful that's what we didn't want. Were there
Speaker 1: last time? No, No, I was so impressed by your
Speaker 1: just now. I was like, how do you know that
Speaker 1: we've done a Fox theater? The Fox Theater is what
Speaker 1: we're doing in Oakland. Yeah, no, you're gonna be see
Speaker 1: I know this. This is exactly how I was hoping
Speaker 1: this would go. You're being so Georgia right now. Um No,
Speaker 1: you're gonna beat the Fox this fall in Atlanta and
Speaker 1: last time you're at the Cobb Energy Center outside of Atlanta.
Speaker 1: That was a good show. That was super fun. Was
Speaker 1: that the one where I almost resprained my ankle walking out, Oh,
Speaker 1: because we were sitting. I have tricked ankles too. So
Speaker 1: it is so frustrating because it's a kind of thing
Speaker 1: where when you're trying to travel with people and you
Speaker 1: have a bad ankle, so you're like a little limpy
Speaker 1: and a little slow anyway. But then on top of that,
Speaker 1: like you do something dumb and then you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I may have just resprained, Like I may have just
Speaker 1: recreated this. You stepped off a curb and there was
Speaker 1: no curb. Yes, but I was really mad because it
Speaker 1: started to go downhill like it was a ramp. So
Speaker 1: I assumed after four steps I would have been able
Speaker 1: to step right and we would giving me on the ground.
Speaker 1: I don't blame you for that. Like, there was also
Speaker 1: like a parking thing that I actually just drove over
Speaker 1: in a parking garage just now. One of the what
Speaker 1: are they called, like the stopper thing and create blocks, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the bumpers or whatever. Yeah, speed bricks. You know what
Speaker 1: every place house? I thought you meant the scary fucking
Speaker 1: clause that like rental car places don't back out. I
Speaker 1: get scared driving over those going forward because I think
Speaker 1: you're going the right way and the right way. You
Speaker 1: don't trust yourself or the mechanism. I actually one time
Speaker 1: was walking out of a parking structure and I was
Speaker 1: so concerned I was going to step on that claw
Speaker 1: and have it go through my foot that I wasn't
Speaker 1: paying attention to the fact that the bar came down
Speaker 1: on my head. Oh my god, because I was like
Speaker 1: looking down like this and then and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it was like a thing went gunk and
Speaker 1: then down my face and then I took like one
Speaker 1: more step in the lady that was in the booth.
Speaker 1: There's so many signs, don't walk here, don't know pedestrians,
Speaker 1: and I just lazed right up the center and then
Speaker 1: she was like, I don't walk here, like just like
Speaker 1: insult to injury. You're humiliated and hurt. And and then
Speaker 1: she came in with use this information. Was like, thank
Speaker 1: thank you, I think at the concussion, but thanks for
Speaker 1: the reminder of the thing that I already forgotten. And
Speaker 1: that's so Karen. You guys are already being so yourself.
Speaker 1: We didn't even know we were a certain kind of
Speaker 1: person dip ships. It sounds like, well, and what stuff
Speaker 1: you should know with us too. It's I'm sure, I
Speaker 1: mean I can tell I can hear it on the show.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of this, like what the fund is happened,
Speaker 1: because the whole podcast explosion in and of itself is
Speaker 1: kind of weird because, like we're saying, ten years ago,
Speaker 1: I don't think I had a podcast, but I would
Speaker 1: do them every once. While there were people that were
Speaker 1: trying to start it. There was there were a lot
Speaker 1: of people doing that. Remember that there was that old
Speaker 1: It was called something Radio and it was like out
Speaker 1: in Santa Monica and it was this big warehouse and
Speaker 1: there was just like fifty different casks going at once. Yeah,
Speaker 1: basically the first wave. I remember watching other people doing it,
Speaker 1: like Greg Barren and David Anthony dealing doing projects and
Speaker 1: then just sitting back going like, why are they trying
Speaker 1: to do radio? This is weird and I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: try to be on TV. I thought it was like
Speaker 1: because I listened to them tenis years ago, maybe not
Speaker 1: that many, but like I thought it was like NPR
Speaker 1: style because it was all like a spark in life
Speaker 1: and you like smart people ship. Yeah, So I didn't
Speaker 1: know that it was like, you know, like just blabber.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like that. It was. It was smart people
Speaker 1: a little bit more smartish stuff back then. But I
Speaker 1: think like it's been busted wide open now and now
Speaker 1: there's dingongs like because when they think everyone realized you
Speaker 1: don't need some fancy producers, don't the studio necessarily, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could just get a zoom and kind of slap
Speaker 1: it up there and who cares, yea, and to the world,
Speaker 1: we're going to everybody box theater, boxes in your dress
Speaker 1: has foxed, Oh my god, gosh, how was um? Now
Speaker 1: you just got back from like didn't go to like
Speaker 1: fucking Norway, to Europe and then went to the and
Speaker 1: all over. Yeah, and people are coming out in those
Speaker 1: weird countries. In Oslo, Norway, we had an audience full
Speaker 1: of a theater full of people that were laughing in
Speaker 1: all the right places. High my thing. I think I
Speaker 1: only told you this once, maybe twice, but I was
Speaker 1: positive because this is happening to stand ups that I
Speaker 1: know when you go over there, your your sets are
Speaker 1: insanely quiet, and even if they like you, they don't
Speaker 1: respond to like Americans responded, not verbal. It's not the
Speaker 1: same kind of yeah. So I know I warned you
Speaker 1: at least once, but in my mind I was like,
Speaker 1: we're going to eat it royally in Scandinavia and we
Speaker 1: just have to bear through it and then we'll get
Speaker 1: into like London. I will be okay. And instead of
Speaker 1: it being it was exactly the opposite. It was like
Speaker 1: just as good, if not better than any show we've
Speaker 1: done any Yes, sweet and I think was the best
Speaker 1: like they were, but it was a lot of expats too,
Speaker 1: so it was a lot of people who were really
Speaker 1: happy to have a show there that they could. It's
Speaker 1: like a unifying element, the murderingos in one room. Yeah, exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: we did the UK and Ireland two years ago and
Speaker 1: no one had prepped me for because our experience in
Speaker 1: London was what you were talking about is they're not
Speaker 1: very outwardly expressive. And I think in Dublin, in fact,
Speaker 1: I think we played the same theater. In Dublin they
Speaker 1: were great, but um in London, I was just like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, they're not enjoying this. And after they would
Speaker 1: come up to it and tell us how great it
Speaker 1: was and what a fun night, and I was like, ki,
Speaker 1: guys need to show that they're dying up there, especially
Speaker 1: when you're talking about child murders. And then no one's
Speaker 1: making no one's laughing, which is like clear good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but just the quietness of it all is like you
Speaker 1: just start to think you're a terrible person. We're a
Speaker 1: terrible person. But they're there for a reason, right, it's
Speaker 1: the interests. But then normally we go into you know,
Speaker 1: kind of bad things. We try to avoid child murdering
Speaker 1: live shows just because it's hard to come back from us,
Speaker 1: but exactly like, no, but remember when, But normally that
Speaker 1: our conversation and our kind of banter brings it back up.
Speaker 1: And so that was my worry, was like we're going
Speaker 1: to go down and never come back up, and then
Speaker 1: it would just be like being at a funeral, like
Speaker 1: a recorded funeral, where it's just like that's not the
Speaker 1: point of any of this. But they get it. I
Speaker 1: think it's also because these days people hear what other
Speaker 1: shows sound like and they get almost like what their
Speaker 1: part is a little bit yeah, and they're just so
Speaker 1: delighted to be there in person, Like you know how,
Speaker 1: it's it's a very safe stage to walk out on.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the same preolitis for us. Like we can
Speaker 1: funk it up in the middle and I can be like, well,
Speaker 1: that was the worst joke ever and Jerry of the
Speaker 1: Future edit that out and everyone thinks it's hysterical and
Speaker 1: I can't imagine going and doing stand up. But I
Speaker 1: can look out in front of people and it's like
Speaker 1: it's great. I'm not even nervous anymore because they're all
Speaker 1: there to be supportive. That was a hard adjustment for
Speaker 1: me in the beginning having done stand up when we
Speaker 1: were first performing, it made I got super controlling because
Speaker 1: I was expecting that they needed this this like very
Speaker 1: um like accurate delivery jokes time dada and the craft,
Speaker 1: yeah and yeah and and like that we needed to Hey,
Speaker 1: if we do this, then we need to do that.
Speaker 1: And what I realized is not only is that not necessary,
Speaker 1: they want us to be doing it exactly what we
Speaker 1: do in All they're looking for is to recreate the
Speaker 1: experience in their ear holes. So their best buddies Karen
Speaker 1: and Georgia hang. They just want to hang. They just
Speaker 1: want to hang, yeah, which is a very nice, safe feeling.
Speaker 1: Were you like, dude, what are you doing? Stop managing this? Uh?
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. Tell
Speaker 1: me what? Like? Of course, I was like if I
Speaker 1: don't listen to what Karen's like, advice sage advice as
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking asshole because you're doing this and I
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what I'm I've never done.
Speaker 1: I've done like storytelling shows for twenty people, but I've
Speaker 1: also done live TV, so that was helpful, but I was, um,
Speaker 1: Karen would say to me, you do not like after
Speaker 1: a couple of shows, she was like, you don't know
Speaker 1: how lucky you are, and this is what you're starting with.
Speaker 1: You know, you didn't have to be broken. I know that,
Speaker 1: And I'm like the gratitude. I wake up every day
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, this is my life and I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful. It's very, very cool. And also it's just
Speaker 1: so much more fun. I suffered when I did stand
Speaker 1: up comedy. I hated back in the d I hated
Speaker 1: it personally. I was not a fan of it at all.
Speaker 1: But it's also it's just a very it is incredibly difficult,
Speaker 1: and so then I almost felt like we have to
Speaker 1: do this, Like I just got into my head that
Speaker 1: it was we had to do a whole different thing.
Speaker 1: And I finally realized it was one of those Portlands
Speaker 1: shows there was nuts and we were Even though it
Speaker 1: was nuts, there are people. I think they sold really
Speaker 1: big cans of beer, so everyone got a little trashier
Speaker 1: than they probably even thought they would. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: ended up it was that thing where I went it
Speaker 1: was like Steve Martin at the end of Parenthood, where
Speaker 1: I went like, oh, this is good, this is like,
Speaker 1: this is what we want to be happy when you're
Speaker 1: having so much fun on stage that you just forget
Speaker 1: that you're in front of It's not because they're not strangers,
Speaker 1: are like your friends. They know you for sure, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's it's sort of similar. That's why identify. It's
Speaker 1: like it feels like a big family. And the thing
Speaker 1: that we always get that I know that y'all get,
Speaker 1: is we feel like we know you. We feel like
Speaker 1: we're friends. And I always say, you know, we kind
Speaker 1: of feel the same way because it's totally it's reciprocal
Speaker 1: and we're all, uh, we're all in the same head frame. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Every single person we've met, whether it's like in the
Speaker 1: Meat and Great after or five shows or in on
Speaker 1: the street, a person, it's like, oh, I would be
Speaker 1: friends with the person. It's never anyone weird. It's always
Speaker 1: just like good people. Not yet. No, No, what's weird
Speaker 1: is so it's like a familiar person. So it's either
Speaker 1: somebody it's like, oh, this is my sister or this
Speaker 1: is the girl I always roommates. Within college, it's always
Speaker 1: like of the you know types that the life casting types.
Speaker 1: It's like the same four or five different types and
Speaker 1: even dudes to which is like, you know, they don't
Speaker 1: give them a credit on the show, but like me,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you're my friend's big brother. I totally
Speaker 1: know who you are. Yeah, yeah, so you have a
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you. Crime in general has a
Speaker 1: larger female audience, but like, I'm a huge fan and
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of guys out there. How
Speaker 1: does it break down for the shows? Just is it
Speaker 1: really there? There's times at the those meet and greats,
Speaker 1: which a very small amount of the people that are there.
Speaker 1: But when like guys come around the corner will be
Speaker 1: like boys because it just doesn't happen that often, or
Speaker 1: it'll be someone with their boyfriend and then we'll go, um,
Speaker 1: we try to get it out of them immediately. Were
Speaker 1: you dragged here or did you you already converted before
Speaker 1: you came, because that's the most fascinating person to meet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's also fun when, um, sometimes we'll get like
Speaker 1: I've never heard of you guys, and I just came
Speaker 1: with my friend and like I can't wait to download
Speaker 1: this and listen. Even if it's ten people in a theater,
Speaker 1: you think, all right, well we've converted ten more. I
Speaker 1: mean that's the ultimate victory, right, It's like someone who's like,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what podcasts are. And then at
Speaker 1: the end, my thing is I always tell this to
Speaker 1: Georgia if I can see security guards in the room,
Speaker 1: like there's because it's such a tenuous like true crime comedy,
Speaker 1: you can tell there's people who are like what is
Speaker 1: this and I don't like this immediately, And there was
Speaker 1: I think that was a Texas show, yeah, where there
Speaker 1: there was a guy standing right in the front of
Speaker 1: the stage and I just I felt like everything I
Speaker 1: was doing was like this is foreign about either and
Speaker 1: he was cracking up the end. On our side, it
Speaker 1: was awesome, But I mean it's you understand that that's
Speaker 1: almost part of the job, is like you have to
Speaker 1: convince people that you aren't that you um for our things,
Speaker 1: specifically that people go like this is an appropriate or
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be doing this or that, and it's like,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, trust us that we're actually gonna do
Speaker 1: it right and we're not assholes and we're not we
Speaker 1: don't think people be murdered as funny and there's a
Speaker 1: complexity to it that we actually can handle if you
Speaker 1: would just give us the benefit of the doubt, and
Speaker 1: that's a really thrilling, thring thing to actually be able
Speaker 1: to prove you know, that's great and want a cool
Speaker 1: thing for you, Like you've had a long career where
Speaker 1: I feel like you've always been working in some way
Speaker 1: or another, and then like at this stage to hit
Speaker 1: this like point, it's like, great, it's pretty magical. It
Speaker 1: is not anything I thought was gonna happen. I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll just get a one level better staff writing
Speaker 1: job and then then I'll be happy. But like this
Speaker 1: thing came in out of left field, and it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, I don't trust it. I almost don't like it.
Speaker 1: It's so awesome and perfect. I wonder it's just going
Speaker 1: to go away right to Lially. I was just taring
Speaker 1: my therapist about that two hours ago. It's hard to
Speaker 1: trust because it's big, and that makes you appreciate it
Speaker 1: more and like try harder, and I think you just
Speaker 1: have to stay grounded in that gratitude. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: would be doing this anyway if like I would be
Speaker 1: doing this with you guys just down the street with
Speaker 1: no microphone. So the idea that this is somehow bread
Speaker 1: and butter, we would still be recording the podcast if
Speaker 1: it wasn't, Like if it was you know, had way
Speaker 1: smaller listeners and wasn't wasn't our career. Now we should
Speaker 1: be doing it. It's fun and we love it. Like
Speaker 1: I had a podcast for like four years that got
Speaker 1: this you know, not a lot of downloads, but it's fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cool medium and now well now it makes funny.
Speaker 1: I never made money on it until Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: new part podcasting is that it's actually becoming a true
Speaker 1: business people in a career, and it's it's that even
Speaker 1: gets a little scary for me though, because I'm head
Speaker 1: of content development at our network now, so I'm in
Speaker 1: a lot of the meetings about the industry and it's
Speaker 1: changing fucking hourly, it seems like, and like I don't
Speaker 1: even know what it's gonna look like in a couple
Speaker 1: of years. So I'm still a little bit like should
Speaker 1: I trust this protective of the like of the podcasting
Speaker 1: a little bit where yeah, I don't want to let
Speaker 1: all these outsiders who were never interested in it before
Speaker 1: into it, oh um, a little bit. But I try
Speaker 1: to like not be that way because I have like
Speaker 1: comedian friends who I know, look at me like selling
Speaker 1: out of seat theater and they're like fuck that, and
Speaker 1: like friends of mine, no trust me, And I know
Speaker 1: I have plenty of friends in the industry like that
Speaker 1: that think like I didn't earn this at all, But like,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? People listen consume me? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: That's the beautiful part is it's like the people voted nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody is related to anybody. It's not any of that
Speaker 1: kind of usual ship. It's just like it's not our
Speaker 1: fault for this is the thing people like, So yeah,
Speaker 1: any kind of any of that. I always have that
Speaker 1: fraud issue and that kind of like um guilt or something,
Speaker 1: and that's my I don't know. As I move into
Speaker 1: my middle age, I'm just like, who gives the fun?
Speaker 1: You have to? It just ruins the fun if you
Speaker 1: don't become a big asshole and think like I fucking
Speaker 1: deserve this, right, No one deserves it? Yeah, totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe Malala George, I'm old disappointed you're not drinking? Can
Speaker 1: Rose do we have any She's like you do. My
Speaker 1: our babysitter, my wife and his babysitter was telling a
Speaker 1: story the other day about being like super drunk, and
Speaker 1: she was like, I was drinking was this can rose?
Speaker 1: And I just head that episode where you were getting
Speaker 1: like a little thick tongued. Those things are super loaded
Speaker 1: up with it's something like really high. And she was like,
Speaker 1: I looked at the can and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna Georgia this like it wasn't just you, It's
Speaker 1: happening all over Ye. That's why this last episode that
Speaker 1: came out today you can hear. I didn't open my
Speaker 1: can of sparkling wine until after my story was done,
Speaker 1: because I was like, now I'm getta sit. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: did it drink Now that's great. Uh so, well, I
Speaker 1: know where you grew up. But for the benefit of listeners,
Speaker 1: uh to movie crush, where did you both grow up?
Speaker 1: I'm from northern California. I grew up in a town
Speaker 1: called Pataluma, grist Wrestling Capital World and it used to
Speaker 1: be the but the Egg Capital. But I think we
Speaker 1: got we got knocked out, but they still have the
Speaker 1: Butter and Eggs Day parade every year. Very egg based
Speaker 1: um society. It's California. Yeah, I was born in l
Speaker 1: A and then I grew up in Sucking Orange County.
Speaker 1: I thought I was, but I've been here since for
Speaker 1: twenty years back in l A R. Yeah, how did
Speaker 1: movies figure into your respective lives growing up raised on them? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had in Plama. There's a um A theater downtown
Speaker 1: that was like kind of one of those old They
Speaker 1: played Rocky Horror every Friday night for for the longest
Speaker 1: and the longest running UM showing of that, and it
Speaker 1: was a really cool theater that they every day they
Speaker 1: had a double feature that kind of went together, and
Speaker 1: so it was always like they would always be like
Speaker 1: eating Raoul and you know whatever, fast times of Richmont High,
Speaker 1: but like they would kind of um, they cultivated it
Speaker 1: a lot. So that's the movie where I saw Fame
Speaker 1: for the first time, and the like title word came
Speaker 1: on the screen, intensely packed out house starts. Everybody started screaming,
Speaker 1: and then all these joints started get lit up and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is like, this is what
Speaker 1: adults do. I was probably twelve years old the same same.
Speaker 1: It was just like and that's what they did, that's
Speaker 1: basically what they didn't. Yeah, I mean I think those
Speaker 1: types of like, um, those types of kind of art,
Speaker 1: the art or movies. Yeah, yeah, so it was a
Speaker 1: big deal. It was a very big deal to me.
Speaker 1: But my dad used to make us bring a popcorn
Speaker 1: from home. We did a little bit mom famously, like
Speaker 1: had to purse the size of a car and she
Speaker 1: would just we would sneak in everything. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: not as good, No, it's sucks ship. And he used
Speaker 1: to put it in a grocery bag so he would
Speaker 1: make like a huge thing, roll it up for you
Speaker 1: and then like here's sneak That so embarrassing. And we
Speaker 1: did the same thing. Like my parents are teachers. We
Speaker 1: didn't have a ton of money, just sort of solidly
Speaker 1: lowish middle class. Yeah, and it was a lot of
Speaker 1: money to take a family out, and this was just
Speaker 1: like you're not allowed to have anything. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: ever get that. I don't eat popcorn and theaters because
Speaker 1: it's like, well why would you do? I never did.
Speaker 1: That's such a waste. Yeah, well it is insanely expensive.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's right in a way, but it's
Speaker 1: like I don't want popcorn. I want movie, right popcorn,
Speaker 1: That's right, I just want salt popcorn. Yeah, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: still sneak in, like the bottle of water every now
Speaker 1: and then, and it's just so dumb. Yeah, like what
Speaker 1: am I doing? It's just in my d n a
Speaker 1: to like take a few extra sugar packets, yeah, for
Speaker 1: the road. Or napkins. Oh, napkins for sure, those are
Speaker 1: my car tissues. I do that too. It's time. I
Speaker 1: owe Starbucks about five dollars in napkins. They have good
Speaker 1: straws to to bring home for your smoothies. Oh that's good.
Speaker 1: Oh they don't. You're just grabbing a hand maybe, yes,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. That's private. Um. What were some
Speaker 1: of your favorite movies growing up, like in the formative
Speaker 1: years or impactful or favorite? I mean I remember the night,
Speaker 1: um that Ciskel and Ebert reviewed sixteen Candles. We used
Speaker 1: to always watch that show weekend show. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like it was on like Saturday. Yeah, like a syndicated thing.
Speaker 1: Loved it that. I just remember they started it. They
Speaker 1: started to run the clip and I jumped off off
Speaker 1: the couch. So it was probably like thirteen or something
Speaker 1: and stood next to TV looking at my mom, going,
Speaker 1: you have to bring into this, you have to take me,
Speaker 1: and she was like okay, And it was just like
Speaker 1: I had the most visceral reaction to that. John was
Speaker 1: there's nights like that. Yeah, it was made for me,
Speaker 1: but there was also nothing like that, an adult kids comedy,
Speaker 1: like a smart teen thing like that, And so she
Speaker 1: brought us to it at that theater and I just
Speaker 1: it was like I was on the John h Trained.
Speaker 1: I mean, forget about it. He's taken, I mean really taken.
Speaker 1: Even as a Uh, he was like I remember seeing
Speaker 1: that movie as a teenager and as a guy being like,
Speaker 1: I want to like I wanted to look like that
Speaker 1: guy kind of started wearing preppy or clothes and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, but I had an old Volkswagen and not
Speaker 1: a Porsche. He was like almost better looking than Matt Dylan,
Speaker 1: which is really like, my sister would kill me if
Speaker 1: you heard me say that. But Betty, he was like
Speaker 1: an updated Matt Dylan for the eighties. Yeah, he was shocking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Matt Dylan. I saw him recently and something I had
Speaker 1: to watch for this and rumble Fish and uh, he's
Speaker 1: like one of those guys has done solid work his
Speaker 1: whole career, yes, but has always kept such a low
Speaker 1: pro that you don't think about him much because he's
Speaker 1: never in the news. You never he is he like,
Speaker 1: you're super guy. Well, um, he was my sister's super guy,
Speaker 1: so I absorbed a lot of that from her. She
Speaker 1: was my older sister. But like, I just rewatched The
Speaker 1: out Ciders and such a good movie. He's you never
Speaker 1: think about it's not a kid acting, it's that he
Speaker 1: is that character day and he does that thing, remember
Speaker 1: that scene where he does he does the thing where
Speaker 1: they it just shows them being greasers where they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, they come upon some kids playing cards in
Speaker 1: a field, and then he goes, it's the thing about kids.
Speaker 1: I just don't like him, and he does this like
Speaker 1: it's very James Dean. It's very overly dramatic, but it
Speaker 1: is so perfectly done. And then they like like basically
Speaker 1: threatened to kill the kids and chase them all around
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I just want, like, you're such a
Speaker 1: better actor as a like eighteen year old or even
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old than you ever got credit for.
Speaker 1: And he had no training. They picked him out of
Speaker 1: his high school and put him into Over the Edge,
Speaker 1: that crazy movie about kids you knows as the town
Speaker 1: or whatever, and and basically that was then he just
Speaker 1: started acting. But I'm sure he went to private classes
Speaker 1: or whatever, but I mean he was a star as
Speaker 1: he was learning about act Let's talk. I mean, we
Speaker 1: can't not talk about little Darling's should I didn't find
Speaker 1: until I was older because I'm I'm a little younger
Speaker 1: than you. How do I say this without sounding like
Speaker 1: a pick? And I know you're not. We can deal
Speaker 1: with it, ye, little darlings I saw because I just
Speaker 1: had this like tatumonial obsession because of Paper Moons, like
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies. I was like, I need
Speaker 1: to watch everything with tatumonially and then I was like,
Speaker 1: how did I know? I'm glad I didn't watch this
Speaker 1: as a kid. I thought was my first R movie
Speaker 1: in the theater. My cousin Cheryl snuck us in and
Speaker 1: I was I probably think I was ten. And the
Speaker 1: part where they're all standing around blowing up condoms with
Speaker 1: their mouth, I had the entire audience was going insane laughing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, balloons are not that funny? Why
Speaker 1: would people laugh at the I just thought that everyone
Speaker 1: was so stupid because I grew up a little church
Speaker 1: boy and reformed church church boy now, but I was
Speaker 1: not allowed to see that, so I still have seen that. Well,
Speaker 1: the good girl does have sex and the bad girl does,
Speaker 1: that's the twist, but you do not see coming. Who's
Speaker 1: the bad girl? Um, Christie McNichol. Oh, well she was
Speaker 1: my first crush, which I don't know what that says
Speaker 1: about me now, but I did the thing and you
Speaker 1: probably remember this where you would send off for like
Speaker 1: an address to write a piece of fan mail. I
Speaker 1: did this exact same thing with Kristy McNichol. Wait, usually
Speaker 1: that was it. We probably wrote our letters the same week. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I've said off and got her address somehow and
Speaker 1: wrote her like a sort of a love letter. Well
Speaker 1: I did too. You know. I love that show Family
Speaker 1: that she was on, and she was she played Buddy
Speaker 1: and she's like the tomboy girl, and I just thought
Speaker 1: like she was the realist. Everybody else that acted on
Speaker 1: TV had this veneer of like I'm sweet and it
Speaker 1: was like presentational bad high school acting. And here comes
Speaker 1: Christie McNicol and she's just like the fucking being real
Speaker 1: and and really like, um, she has a Jodie Foster
Speaker 1: feel to her in that it's like every she plays
Speaker 1: it all small, but it's all very real and there's
Speaker 1: like an intensity to it. And I just thought she
Speaker 1: was amazing. And I wrote her letter and never got
Speaker 1: anything back, and I was like, I don't like her anymore.
Speaker 1: I cut her out of my heart. I don't remember
Speaker 1: when my crush ended for her, has it ever? Probably
Speaker 1: she's gay, right she is? Yeah, I think she is.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's something to that, maybe, well you know what
Speaker 1: it is. It's like they can bring more to the
Speaker 1: role than just the standardized like yeah, I'm cute, I'm pretty,
Speaker 1: I'm a cheerleader or whatever, where it's like there's also
Speaker 1: other types of people in the world, and then you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: other types of this is interesting a woman that isn't
Speaker 1: just in address, you know, Yeah, for sure. Uh. And
Speaker 1: of course the John Hughes movies were so big, Like
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Breakfast Club in our theater in our town. Uh.
Speaker 1: And we would just take chances on movies. I didn't
Speaker 1: really know what it was at the time, although I
Speaker 1: had seen Sixteen Candles, but I think that was before
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is the next movie from
Speaker 1: this director. I wasn't that savvy yet. No, none of
Speaker 1: us knew what that meant. Yeah, that wasn't That wasn't
Speaker 1: a thing back then, the pre IMDP day. Yeah, before
Speaker 1: that was the thing. But those movies were just huge
Speaker 1: for me growing up. Yeah, that was so funny. They
Speaker 1: were so interesting. It was almost like for sixteen Candles,
Speaker 1: especially the soundtrack and the closest kids were. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is a town in Chicago where everyone's cool, and
Speaker 1: I want to live in that town, and like would
Speaker 1: I even fit in in that town? It stressed me
Speaker 1: out and it was like there was some There was
Speaker 1: some part where Molly Ringwald has a blue binder and
Speaker 1: she she the rave Ups was written is like, you know,
Speaker 1: like doodles on the binders that you can see as
Speaker 1: she's walking. And I completely wrote the Rave Ups on
Speaker 1: my binder. I'd never heard the band. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know it was a band or what it was, but
Speaker 1: I was just like, whatever this whole lifestyle is, I
Speaker 1: want I want it. And the notebook doodling and well
Speaker 1: pre notebook dooling. I guess it was like the trapper
Speaker 1: Keeper stuff. And we were like young youngs that your
Speaker 1: experience or is this all like old people behind? Well,
Speaker 1: but I had older siblings, so I kind of I'm
Speaker 1: sure there with the you know timeline. But then there
Speaker 1: was this time in high school where I I just
Speaker 1: got really big into the eighties and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is my fucking thing. I'm obsessed, And so I
Speaker 1: got the soundtrack to Breakfast Club on vinyl I and
Speaker 1: then I also went to Rocky Horse Live. I was
Speaker 1: just obsessed. But you know, yes, you had Eighties for
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, but you know, growing up in the eighties,
Speaker 1: I had no supervision, so I watched all the same things.
Speaker 1: There was no like, you know, nothing was off limits.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I was sort of monitored. I was
Speaker 1: the third kid, though, so I got less monitoring as
Speaker 1: I grew up too. But coming from like a church household,
Speaker 1: like I couldn't see little Darling's and I was embarrassed
Speaker 1: when I remember like asking my mom so embarrassing now,
Speaker 1: but asking my mom to take me out of Greece
Speaker 1: during the sleep overseen because they were in their underwear
Speaker 1: was like, mom, I don't want to well, and I
Speaker 1: just thought it was embarrassing because my mom was there,
Speaker 1: and growing up Southern Baptist, I thought like sex and
Speaker 1: nudity was the dirtiest, most awful thing that you could do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm still unpacking that. I mean, that's that's what.
Speaker 1: That's the great gift that religion gives you, that just
Speaker 1: keeps on giving right for you, which is a different
Speaker 1: thing to unpack. It is. It's um, but that sex
Speaker 1: guilt is so weird. It's just like, what the like
Speaker 1: feelings that you're having you have no control over and
Speaker 1: that you and that every other person on the planet
Speaker 1: has and you still, like Jesus is mad. But I
Speaker 1: feel about it right now. It's fussed up and so
Speaker 1: damaging because it's biology. Yeah, and you're told that you're
Speaker 1: not feeling like the things you're feeling are wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's a different episode. Did you grew up wonderfully
Speaker 1: atheist in your house? That's a different podcast altogether. I
Speaker 1: grew up Jewish, like very very reformed Jewish, and from
Speaker 1: with parents, especially my mom, who was like the where
Speaker 1: did I come from? Thing? Like from a very young age,
Speaker 1: what I love that, that's the best. So I had
Speaker 1: to rein mine back, like instead of being like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is scandalous, I had to be like, no, George,
Speaker 1: some ship scandalous because it always has anything and sex
Speaker 1: was not a big deal. So when I got older,
Speaker 1: I had to realize, like sex is a big deal
Speaker 1: and you and I kind of had to put some
Speaker 1: you know, brains on that. But the foot washing, but
Speaker 1: the washing the mons washing station, because that was your
Speaker 1: principle Spanish. It was a absolute ones that should not
Speaker 1: have been at that school. Definitely, I'll probably pepper and
Speaker 1: little things for the murder hingos, because there are quite
Speaker 1: a few of them that are very excited about this,
Speaker 1: these worlds colliding. Yeah, it's very cool and it's so nice.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, because that's so nice to have
Speaker 1: your own insane inside jokes referenced on another pot. And
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't even been listening that long, probably
Speaker 1: about eight months, um, but I went to like pretty
Speaker 1: pretty quickly and deep straightly, pretty radily, thank you and
Speaker 1: sorry so many. I was going to try and work
Speaker 1: in my favorite little road things that you guys do,
Speaker 1: but um, I'll probably just go ahead and tell you,
Speaker 1: um instead of doing that inorganically. Obviously, I know that
Speaker 1: you probably know yours right mine, But it's ship that
Speaker 1: we do on a normal basis that was done our
Speaker 1: whole lives, and suddenly people are like that thing you
Speaker 1: do consciously I love it, and then you get really
Speaker 1: self conscious of it. But it's the best think and
Speaker 1: for yours. What I was gonna do is My favorite
Speaker 1: thing that you do is oh shit, no one's ever
Speaker 1: brought that up. Oh do you not realize that's a
Speaker 1: Karen thing. I don't think I do. Oh shure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear it. My thing is the this exactly what
Speaker 1: I'm about to do right now, and what I'm doing
Speaker 1: right now where I have to preamble his statement with
Speaker 1: four other statements that are like here's the thing, and
Speaker 1: I need you to know this. It's like I have
Speaker 1: to stop the room when no one's no one's going
Speaker 1: to interrupt me. It's insane and the scene. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: we had Paul holes on, I did it. There was
Speaker 1: one way I tried to ask him and I did
Speaker 1: it about six times in a row where I'm like,
Speaker 1: you sound like a crazy You sound like someone who
Speaker 1: doesn't know what they want to say, but you think
Speaker 1: you'll just work your way up to if you keep talking, right.
Speaker 1: I love it, and I think that's why I like
Speaker 1: our conversations work so well as in my family, Like
Speaker 1: you can start in the middle of a conversation three
Speaker 1: weeks later, and then the person would be like yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're right there with you, like you just don't
Speaker 1: finish thoughts, you don't finish sentences. In the middle of
Speaker 1: my conversation with my therapist today, we were talking about
Speaker 1: something deep. She goes to take a sip of her
Speaker 1: water and it's a water brand that might advertise with us,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, and so I did, hey,
Speaker 1: do you like that water? And she didn't miss a beat,
Speaker 1: got right back to it. It was the best she does.
Speaker 1: She does like it. Okay, good water. I'm noto gonnat.
Speaker 1: They don't hanging us to talk about one where it was.
Speaker 1: But when you get a guy like holes in there
Speaker 1: who doesn't like isn't a fan of your show? I
Speaker 1: assume no, he's never listened, So yeah, I imagine that,
Speaker 1: so you probably do think he thinks we're crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And also he's just what I realized with that and
Speaker 1: all the feelings around it that we've had to unpack
Speaker 1: for weeks now. Um, he's it's the person like I
Speaker 1: don't I'm pretty sure you don't care about celebrities per se.
Speaker 1: But these people that actually do this work that we
Speaker 1: read article act article about and they're actually the ones
Speaker 1: that do the hard, awful work that no one wants
Speaker 1: to do. Um, there's a nobility to it, and there's
Speaker 1: like it's what you actually project onto celebrities is what
Speaker 1: most people are like, Oh, Matt daven he's such a
Speaker 1: great guy, and it's like, we don't really know anything
Speaker 1: that Damon's doing, but like when you project them onto
Speaker 1: poll Hole's you're probably gonna be pretty right because he
Speaker 1: even if he's the worst person and on the weekend,
Speaker 1: he spends those other five days fighting the good fight.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, when he was there in front of us,
Speaker 1: there was just that kind of he was so good
Speaker 1: at talking about this thing we're so obsessed with and
Speaker 1: about the specifics of it, about the real the real
Speaker 1: work of it and a real job of it. It
Speaker 1: was so amazing. Yeah, and not getting rich to doing it,
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, No, I don't think. So it is
Speaker 1: weird to go from this, Like you know, I think
Speaker 1: probably being in the entertainment industry, just to meet someone
Speaker 1: who has like a purpose and meaning in their lives
Speaker 1: is really and and you know, integrity and it's just
Speaker 1: nice to meet someone like that. And so you're in
Speaker 1: all of them in a way that I'm not with
Speaker 1: the you know, some celebrity actor or whatever. Right, well,
Speaker 1: and you guys nerd out so much on forensic science
Speaker 1: and people like corners and people who do autopsies, and
Speaker 1: it is I mean, it's the hardest job. It's just
Speaker 1: like some awful thing happens that's so awful. Everyone like
Speaker 1: turns away and there's a team of people to go
Speaker 1: in at that point and clean up the awfulness. And
Speaker 1: that's amazing to Yeah, we did a crime scene clean
Speaker 1: up episode on stuff once and like really researching the
Speaker 1: nitty gritty of that ship is just like amazing. Yes,
Speaker 1: because a lot of times they're just civilians, right that
Speaker 1: start their own company and yeah, that's and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's never bothered me, and it's pretty good money. And
Speaker 1: why people make the decisions they make helping people because
Speaker 1: like in Michelle's book, I'll Be Done in the Dark,
Speaker 1: she talks about the brother in law coming in to
Speaker 1: like clean up you know, crime scene and it's so
Speaker 1: they didn't have that before, you know, have crime scene
Speaker 1: clean up companies, so the family had to do it.
Speaker 1: It's so awful and that's like every movie ever with
Speaker 1: the the scrub rush and the blood stain on the rug. Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, well we can get into Silence of the Lambs.
Speaker 1: Um here is my first experience with this movie, which
Speaker 1: is a little crazy. I was a freshman in college
Speaker 1: and the university had a theater like the University Theater,
Speaker 1: where they would show movies and then sometimes they would
Speaker 1: be a sneak preview of another movie and you could stay.
Speaker 1: So I went and saw Dancing with Wolves because I'm
Speaker 1: in college, I still had nothing to do sucking. Four
Speaker 1: hours later and they said, if you want to stay after,
Speaker 1: we're going to be screening a movie with Anthony Hopkins
Speaker 1: and Jodie Foster Silence of the Lambs. And I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, and it sounds it heard Anthony Hopkins Silence
Speaker 1: of the Lambs Jodie Foster, and I thought this is
Speaker 1: probably like a merchant Ivory thing, some period peace And
Speaker 1: cut to like an hour later and I'm just fucking like,
Speaker 1: what am I watching right now? So I can't imagine
Speaker 1: like a weirder way to see that movie than to
Speaker 1: not know anything about it going into it. But it
Speaker 1: was awesome and just like from the very beginning. It's
Speaker 1: been one of my favorite movies of all time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it has one of the best beginnings. Yeah, It's like
Speaker 1: it sets you to place, and it introduces you to
Speaker 1: a person, and it does all these things really clean
Speaker 1: and really clear without words, with outwards and with her
Speaker 1: just struggling and like I mean like the Quantico. Yeah,
Speaker 1: her running that getting checked out by male a big
Speaker 1: group of guys that she's all by herself and she
Speaker 1: has to climb that thing getting into the elevator or
Speaker 1: the teen tiny little Yeah, and it's it's just like,
Speaker 1: so I lived in I was also in college. We're
Speaker 1: pretty much the same age, I think. Um, And I'd
Speaker 1: read the book and that in that crazy ghost story
Speaker 1: that I've told you already read the book. I'd already
Speaker 1: read the book, um, because my sister and her friend,
Speaker 1: my sister's friend Adrian like was like here, read this
Speaker 1: and it was man Hunter. Um, and then so then
Speaker 1: it was Science of Lambs and right, because that's after
Speaker 1: and that I think it is I think Man Hunter's first.
Speaker 1: But but I read it over the weekend and then
Speaker 1: had a weird ghost experience in the house that I
Speaker 1: was living in because I was there by myself. Um
Speaker 1: it's really long, but basically, UM, I read this book
Speaker 1: so much that I kind of started to believe I
Speaker 1: was clarice startling like in as I was reading, and
Speaker 1: it was like, this is happening to me. And then
Speaker 1: that night I went to bed full house that had
Speaker 1: we'd already been having weird things happened, but we weren't
Speaker 1: acknowledging it to each other. We were just like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know. And then that night I woke
Speaker 1: up in the middle of night hearing footsteps out in
Speaker 1: the dining room and I was like, I can't believe
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get murdered like this. Like I just completely
Speaker 1: was like, this is this is everything I've always feared
Speaker 1: and it's actually happening. And I heard the footsteps come
Speaker 1: down the back hallway, walk through, open the one door
Speaker 1: to the bathroom, walk on a linoleum, opened the door
Speaker 1: to my bedroom, and then I heard feet on the
Speaker 1: carpet in my bedroom. I felt weight on the mattress.
Speaker 1: I tipped backwards and I was like just frozen solid,
Speaker 1: and then I felt arms go around my waist and
Speaker 1: squeeze and then it was over and there was there
Speaker 1: was no one there, and it was, you know, three
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. I called my sister and thank
Speaker 1: god she lived across town and made her come and
Speaker 1: get me and stayed with her for the rest of
Speaker 1: the weekend, and everybody came back. It was crazy. But
Speaker 1: I do know that that book set a tone for
Speaker 1: It was that kind of thing where I couldn't stop
Speaker 1: reading it. So I started reading it in the morning
Speaker 1: and then the sun went down and the house got
Speaker 1: dark around me, and I was reading that book because
Speaker 1: it's just so like her alone trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: solve this thing. Yeah. I read American Psycho in college
Speaker 1: when I was working the midnight to eight am shift
Speaker 1: at a convenience store, and I don't know how you're
Speaker 1: supposed to take that book. And years later with the movie,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is sort of like the
Speaker 1: darkest comedy, or at least the way Mary Herron directed it.
Speaker 1: Tongue and shake a little, I guess, because that's what
Speaker 1: the movie is sort of like. But when I was
Speaker 1: reading the book, it was scary as ship. And when
Speaker 1: you work overnight like that, you just the fluorescent lights
Speaker 1: were buzzing. And for that like week I was in
Speaker 1: a really really weird headspace. So I know, like a
Speaker 1: book can creep in like movies can, but when you're
Speaker 1: immersed in a book over like hours and days, it
Speaker 1: can really kind of funk with your heads, right because
Speaker 1: it's like a movie in your head. You're the one
Speaker 1: that's directing the movie. Yet when we went to see So,
Speaker 1: it was the Tower Theater in Sacramento, which is a
Speaker 1: big old theater, really huge screen, and so we went
Speaker 1: to see the movie. I knew it, so I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know when and um it was like we were
Speaker 1: we all when it was over turned to each other.
Speaker 1: We're like, we're coming back tomorrow night, like we immediately
Speaker 1: we went so insane and it was the best movie
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, second only I think too or up
Speaker 1: there with The Fugitive, which we also saw in that theater.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it was the theater experience as just
Speaker 1: as much as anything. But I just couldn't believe how
Speaker 1: I love to look for parts where I go, this
Speaker 1: is where you fall apart, this is where this starts
Speaker 1: to suck. And I feel like in in Sounds the
Speaker 1: Lamb's you cannot do that. It's in your perfect film
Speaker 1: and there aren't many. What do you remember your first
Speaker 1: time seeing it? Well, yeah, recently I rewatched I watched
Speaker 1: last night. But recently I rewatched it after a while,
Speaker 1: and I was and I remember watching it in the theaters,
Speaker 1: and so I went to look what year it came
Speaker 1: out and realized that I was ten years old when
Speaker 1: I saw it, because you see, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is wrong with my parents? And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what. They were divorced when I was really young,
Speaker 1: and so my dad had us every other weekend. What
Speaker 1: you did was go, I'm so like with our three
Speaker 1: of us, and it was took us to the movie theater,
Speaker 1: threw us in there. I was like, go watch a
Speaker 1: fucking movie movie, leave me alone. So my sister and
Speaker 1: I went and watched Silence of the Lands. She was
Speaker 1: like maybe twelve or thirteen, and I just couldn't believe it,
Speaker 1: and like, no wonder I have insomnia and anxiety. It's
Speaker 1: just like the most bucked up movie. And I was
Speaker 1: in love with it. And I didn't, as you were
Speaker 1: saying to you, I didn't understand half of it, MiGs,
Speaker 1: And I was like, what did you proud her face?
Speaker 1: I totally didn't. I don't know. I think I got
Speaker 1: that when I was in because I was I didn't
Speaker 1: understand flinging sperms like I don't think I do. But
Speaker 1: then he did that so perfectly, because that could have
Speaker 1: been a really gross, salacious and almost like they did
Speaker 1: that in exactly the way where you got as upset
Speaker 1: as you needed to be. But you also it was
Speaker 1: not go to Eli Roth had directed that scene. You
Speaker 1: have seen full on hard penis. Yeah, you would have seen. No,
Speaker 1: there have been no mystery in any way, shape or form,
Speaker 1: which is yeah, sorry, even last night when I watched it,
Speaker 1: and this keeps happening. Is I see new things, and
Speaker 1: I understand new things, and I you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of mumbling in that movie that I didn't understand
Speaker 1: what they were saying at the time, and I kind
Speaker 1: of got things a lot. I understood it a little more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just but I think that's what happened. When you
Speaker 1: watched that at ten years old, You're not going to
Speaker 1: kick off on a lot of those. Also, your brain
Speaker 1: might have gone like we need to shut this down now, clearly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I remember watching it many times and after that,
Speaker 1: so he must have let us rent it party. It's
Speaker 1: just really scar super deep. Yeah, but I this is
Speaker 1: actually a sidebar, but I just realized when you were ten,
Speaker 1: I was twenty one cute thing in the world. I know.
Speaker 1: I've never thought you were a different age than me.
Speaker 1: I knew it seems sexually because coming to you at ten.
Speaker 1: I always think about this because my husband's alter than me, Like,
Speaker 1: what if I'd come up to you at ten, like, hey,
Speaker 1: everything would have been like, I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: the movie of y'all's story. That's that's going to be
Speaker 1: the most adorable scene ever friends and be like, what
Speaker 1: do you have any clothes? No, those burnt holes in
Speaker 1: your lungs when that's what they said about clothes that
Speaker 1: my mom told me there was tiny shards of glasses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love yeah, because she found them in my pocket
Speaker 1: when I was in high school and she did the
Speaker 1: classic like she came upstairs and she was like, I
Speaker 1: found these in your pocket. I was like, she goes,
Speaker 1: you can smoke them if you want to, but there's
Speaker 1: tiny shards of glass anyway, and like left, I remember
Speaker 1: that too. That's bullshit, of course, right total, Because I
Speaker 1: were to too, I would put tiny shards of glass
Speaker 1: and anything I don't know, just like please sue us
Speaker 1: and would say that, yeah, of course, that's the gateway
Speaker 1: drug clothes. All right, let's smoke a close right now,
Speaker 1: the grossest, gross like most, Like I wish I was goth.
Speaker 1: I can't even get it together to be goth. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna smoke clothes that. Remember that taste the movie Ladybird.
Speaker 1: They do it so perfectly where she smokes a clover
Speaker 1: and lick your lips, and I remember that taste right
Speaker 1: when that happened. That's sweet candy. Before you can get
Speaker 1: your hands on drugs. When you're just getting your hands right,
Speaker 1: you can get your hands on it like I shouldn't
Speaker 1: be doing or like you get a little bit lightheaded. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny. My daughter is almost three and she was
Speaker 1: spinning the other day. She was smoking a clove the
Speaker 1: other and she was spinning and got dizzy, and I
Speaker 1: made a joke. I was like, spinning, that's the gateway drunk.
Speaker 1: That's the first one. Because you could see it in
Speaker 1: her eyes. She was a little drunk and she was
Speaker 1: like this feels kind of good. Yeah, it's like that's
Speaker 1: where it's sucking. Starts your eye on that one spinning.
Speaker 1: Uh So this movie was the um I think, only
Speaker 1: the third film in history to win the Big Five,
Speaker 1: which is just amazing. And and if you consider this
Speaker 1: a horror movie, which I don't fully, but it's the
Speaker 1: first movie of this type to win Best Picture ever.
Speaker 1: Uh And since so one obviously pictured director, actor, actress,
Speaker 1: and screenplay. Um So it wasn't just like I think,
Speaker 1: in anyone else's hands, it could have been just a
Speaker 1: little tawdry thriller. But like DEMI was such a master
Speaker 1: and I was so sad when when he passed away
Speaker 1: because he was I think one of the more underrated
Speaker 1: filmmakers of his time, and that whole thing of you know,
Speaker 1: he to really fight to do that thing where talking
Speaker 1: straight into camera. Yeah, they fought him on that, I
Speaker 1: think from when I saw some documentary, but I can't
Speaker 1: remember if it was the studio or what the situation,
Speaker 1: or if it was other people on. But that was
Speaker 1: his vision that kind of a lot of people didn't
Speaker 1: believe it, and he basically got Jodie Foster and Anthony
Speaker 1: Hopkins to believe this was going to be the best
Speaker 1: way to do it. And I feel like that's everything
Speaker 1: in that movie. Is it totally is they're talking to
Speaker 1: you when she walks up, You're walking up when he
Speaker 1: says hello, Clari's you know, like that moment, it's happening
Speaker 1: to you. And it's not just the Hannibal character, like
Speaker 1: he does that with Scott Glenn and all the Sheriff's
Speaker 1: deputies in the room, Like he has all those first
Speaker 1: person shots where you're Jody, where you're Clarice for a
Speaker 1: moment you feel what it's like. I love that that
Speaker 1: scene where she has to that's such a They do
Speaker 1: so many things. I love that they show she is
Speaker 1: a beginner and she has to try out these things.
Speaker 1: She's not automatically great at everything. So that whole thing
Speaker 1: where she has to tell what eleven like Sheriff's decay,
Speaker 1: her family would thank you if they could. That whole
Speaker 1: speech she has to get where she never done that before,
Speaker 1: and she has to she has to assert herself and
Speaker 1: then afterwards telling him like it matters. They look to you,
Speaker 1: it matters. It was like sudding like that when I
Speaker 1: noticed for the first time last night when I watched
Speaker 1: it that she turns around to put the stuff under
Speaker 1: her nose for smelling like even that as a private
Speaker 1: moment and it's like it's embarrassing. Well, and in that
Speaker 1: autopsy scene, she just uh, like I agree, making her
Speaker 1: a rookie or a student even it was just a
Speaker 1: stroke of genius because when she's in the autopsy scene,
Speaker 1: she she gets that ship together so fast and sorry,
Speaker 1: is that next door? Is that torturing a dog? Okay,
Speaker 1: it sounds like something bad? All right, baby picking up.
Speaker 1: So during the autopsy scene, she gets her ship together
Speaker 1: so fast that uh, And I've seen it so many times,
Speaker 1: but different things like stand out, and that one really
Speaker 1: stood out is this is a scene that was making
Speaker 1: the men in the room sick. And she turns around
Speaker 1: and it's right there and she's like, all right now,
Speaker 1: now it's time for me to do my job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to have the job I don't even have yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to level up and be in charge. And
Speaker 1: also it's the thing that is what good mentors do
Speaker 1: is they make their their um ment. He's kind of like,
Speaker 1: do the hardest possible thing so that they learn. And
Speaker 1: the way she is talking into that tape recorder, it's
Speaker 1: she's not being the way uh, Scott, the Scott Glung
Speaker 1: character would be Um, she's you can hear her voice
Speaker 1: great hang, and she's emotional and she's describing these horrible things,
Speaker 1: but she's also like trying to keep it under wraps.
Speaker 1: It's just and she does. I just Jodie Foster is
Speaker 1: such an unsung I mean, she's pretty song, but I
Speaker 1: feel like she's levels and levels above what people appreciate
Speaker 1: her for. It's almost like it's so natural for her
Speaker 1: that people don't notice how fucking great she is. She's like,
Speaker 1: I put a, Yeah, she does, and she makes it
Speaker 1: look real, so it's like there isn't a bunch of
Speaker 1: extra eyebrows or whatever. And emotional moments I put a.
Speaker 1: I tweeted a joke the other day and it was like,
Speaker 1: am I really going to eat popcorn again for dinner?
Speaker 1: And then I put up the gift of her going yes,
Speaker 1: And it's that. But the reason that gift is so
Speaker 1: perfect is because she has a single tear sitting on
Speaker 1: her eyelid, her bottom eyelid right here that hasn't dropped
Speaker 1: and probably never dropped. So it's the end of the
Speaker 1: actual are the lamb still screaming scene? And she doesn't
Speaker 1: do anything except for her eyebrows come together a little
Speaker 1: bit sadly and she just goes, yeah. But she doesn't
Speaker 1: like micro micro it's such good. You know why. It's
Speaker 1: because she's fucking holding that tear. She's sucking that tear
Speaker 1: in and concentrating only on not showing that tear fall.
Speaker 1: That's like the feeling you get watching it right, because
Speaker 1: she can't. She shows that to Hamble Letter like she
Speaker 1: has to tell him the worst story that he wants.
Speaker 1: He wants the tears, and she has to give him
Speaker 1: just enough to get out to get to the next step.
Speaker 1: But she can't like fall victim or prey to him.
Speaker 1: Got that dance like I didn't realize until the other day.
Speaker 1: The way this is first described when Scott Glenn says
Speaker 1: what he wants her to do. He calls it an
Speaker 1: interesting errand she's like, is it an you know, a
Speaker 1: job or something. He's like, it's an interesting errand like,
Speaker 1: fucking are you kidding me? Talk about under selling something? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that first shot of him when the camera's going
Speaker 1: down that fucking dungeon hallway and he's just standing there
Speaker 1: so like erect and still just like chilling, like like
Speaker 1: chicken skin right now. And you know that was his choice,
Speaker 1: and those are like acting choices and just play it
Speaker 1: all like that. He was going to be very formal,
Speaker 1: and he was going to be very professional with her,
Speaker 1: and he was going to be very kindly. And then
Speaker 1: then that contrast when he's like and all that ship
Speaker 1: is like then, because he really is he's a super genius,
Speaker 1: is this doctor and he's a manipulator. Yeah, so he's
Speaker 1: like a genius. Wouldn't sit there and be like acting
Speaker 1: like a vampire, or they wouldn't make no sense, like
Speaker 1: you have to hide and plain sight, dr Lecter. So
Speaker 1: like the whole I think his hands behind are behind
Speaker 1: his back, aren't they. Yeah, he's just sort of standing.
Speaker 1: It looks like a statue and the only thing moving
Speaker 1: is his eyes following her. But that dance that it
Speaker 1: sets up with those two, it's just it's like cinema
Speaker 1: history like unfolding right there in front of your eyes.
Speaker 1: So good, so great, people will think we're in love.
Speaker 1: One of the great lines of that movie. Elusive so great. Uh.
Speaker 1: And and before that, you know they set up with
Speaker 1: the Creek doctor Chilton, who was really the villain of
Speaker 1: the movie. Yeah, you know, like one of the great
Speaker 1: movie villains. Is that guy again another like an unsung
Speaker 1: character actor killed that you don't think for one second
Speaker 1: that guy isn't real totally totally, and he's one of
Speaker 1: those dudes that he's cast in that movie and he
Speaker 1: can only be that forever for me. Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 1: I think everyone in that movie, unfortunately, some of like
Speaker 1: the bitter poor guy. That's who you are. And he's
Speaker 1: had a good career, but like it's he managed to
Speaker 1: overcome that. I think he did one of the cop shows, right,
Speaker 1: he's on Monk. Okay, I never watched Monk. He's actually done.
Speaker 1: He's probably done more than months. He was also on
Speaker 1: he was just on The Alienist. He was one of
Speaker 1: the guys on The Alienist. I haven't seen that yet,
Speaker 1: but I know your recommendation is what makes me want
Speaker 1: to watch it. Who was he read the book? He
Speaker 1: was the he was like the I think he had
Speaker 1: been at the retired police Captain or something. He was
Speaker 1: like he'd always be driving around in a carriage and
Speaker 1: pulling up and telling people what to do and not
Speaker 1: to do. I gotta go back. He's got the kind
Speaker 1: of a big blonde mustache, but that voice, like when
Speaker 1: I first saw him in Monks. My mom used to
Speaker 1: love monks, so it was always always be on my horse.
Speaker 1: But the first time he's like, it's like always times
Speaker 1: about You're like, I can't, you can't be in Monks.
Speaker 1: You have people in your basement. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I didn't pick up on. This is another thing that
Speaker 1: he was the son, right that the son of whoever
Speaker 1: was living in the house. Oh, yes, or no, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't think he was, because he goes she had
Speaker 1: a son. The son I think was the person in
Speaker 1: the bathtub. No, that was her. She had like long hair.
Speaker 1: She was an old lady in the bathroom. Did she Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know what her name MSUs. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought he was another guy that could also, so
Speaker 1: he was. I think he was her son she had.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought you guys were to answer
Speaker 1: all these questions for me that I never thought that,
Speaker 1: But it was only because I had already. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if I got that from the book, if
Speaker 1: I made it up that he worked with her, he
Speaker 1: worked for her as a tailor. Well, I think it
Speaker 1: was her in the bathtub. Because she had long otld
Speaker 1: Lady gray hair got that bathtub. I'm sorry that was
Speaker 1: so out of left field. No, I don't know the
Speaker 1: answer to that, and I should because the host Benjamin.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that every time I don't know something.
Speaker 1: My favorite is any time I need to use a phone,
Speaker 1: which is rare because we all have phones. But I
Speaker 1: love to say, you see a murdering made to fucking
Speaker 1: cross stitch with that on it and posted it today,
Speaker 1: May I use your phone? And please? And there's another
Speaker 1: quote from that that she made a cross like a
Speaker 1: you know, embroidery. Oh, I have to see I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it yet. I know. Ridiculous, isn't it? Because it's
Speaker 1: people who like they like true crime, but they also
Speaker 1: like arts and crafts, very high level. Well we heard recently.
Speaker 1: This is a random aside. But our listeners the thing
Speaker 1: they like, they like the podcast, and the thing they
Speaker 1: like next is books and reading. So it's just this
Speaker 1: perfect thing of smart people like doing after you cool
Speaker 1: shit and reading and having good ideas and being legitimately funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's exciting. Hey, everyone, we took a little potty break
Speaker 1: and I think we were talking about what's in the tub,
Speaker 1: Mrs because Karen is currently looking it up. We need
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of this. UM. I just
Speaker 1: clicked on whatever the first um website is, so it's
Speaker 1: it's definitely I'm gonna get mad when I hear her
Speaker 1: name because I'm gonna um it's presumably Mrs Lipman's body
Speaker 1: has been festering in that old tub for the better
Speaker 1: part of two years. That's right, he's Mrs Lipman's son
Speaker 1: because he names Jamie Gum Jane Gum Jamee Gum creep
Speaker 1: here does Oh yeah, you're right, y j a m E. Okay,
Speaker 1: so who is he to her? I think he was
Speaker 1: her employee? Okay, okay, so he worked as a But
Speaker 1: then where's her sons? What it was? Is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, Doug coming in with I'm finally not alone. Uh.
Speaker 1: But also that's kind of the fascinating thing is that
Speaker 1: like he is he's basically this weird parasite that took
Speaker 1: over that house, Yeah, killed her, and then did he
Speaker 1: dig that basement to come with a dungeon? And he's
Speaker 1: like this is this is perfect? Now? So one of
Speaker 1: the more more iconic parts, well, first of all, real quick.
Speaker 1: I do have a note here when they first meet,
Speaker 1: when lecturing and Claric's first meet, it's even creepier when
Speaker 1: he's smelling you know, eddy and skin cream, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't smell the perfume she's wearing. He smells the perfume
Speaker 1: she usually wears, which adds a whole extra layer of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is pretty great. Yes, he's a super taster for sure.
Speaker 1: Doctor literally literally such a perfect like sequence there when
Speaker 1: they first meet, and then we get the well, she
Speaker 1: goes to the garage with a head in the jar.
Speaker 1: That's Benjamin Raspan. That whole My dream is just go
Speaker 1: through that the real life, that garage minus the head.
Speaker 1: There's so many good so many good items, like things
Speaker 1: with fringes on in the back, and you're like, whose
Speaker 1: house was this? Like where's the stuff from? Have you
Speaker 1: ever done that? Like an explored an abandoned place like that?
Speaker 1: That's my dream. I go to a state sales a lot,
Speaker 1: but they're not breaking houses a lot, but I don't
Speaker 1: take anything. My brother and I used to do that.
Speaker 1: My dad took pictures of like countrysides when we were kids,
Speaker 1: so he would drag us out to these old abandoned
Speaker 1: barns and things, and my brother and I would like
Speaker 1: scavenge and run around from Orange County where everything is
Speaker 1: fucking just built up and and mapped out. Didn't have
Speaker 1: old farms. We didn't have that utu. We had that
Speaker 1: in peddlement every because we also lived five miles out
Speaker 1: of town, so it was like basically every field as
Speaker 1: you walked down had a like a chicken coop that
Speaker 1: was listening to one side because it was so old.
Speaker 1: And I, yeah, we used to walk through there and
Speaker 1: there would just be old leftover farm equipment, blades and
Speaker 1: hooks and ships, and we just like walked through and
Speaker 1: pick stuff up and down and walk away where it's
Speaker 1: like now because somebody should have been taken care of totally.
Speaker 1: There's like dust and bird shit and just definitely, Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Hannibal kills megs Um in a way talk talks Aim
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, talks him into swallowing his tongue, which
Speaker 1: is the first sort of little bit of magic in
Speaker 1: their relationship in a weird way because you get the
Speaker 1: senses of you were like he's like protecting her, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: punishing megs from being ungentlemanly. He has he has a
Speaker 1: moral code just not standard, right, but it is there.
Speaker 1: There are things he will not accept in things that
Speaker 1: he you know, lines that heat crosses. He like he
Speaker 1: respects her from the beginning. I think, yes, but how
Speaker 1: hard would it be to go he understands how hard
Speaker 1: that was for her? But also how how manipulative must
Speaker 1: he be if all he has to do is whisper
Speaker 1: to the cell next door and get someone to kill themselves.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it's a psychopath, but is that in
Speaker 1: the book, Like what he says, what he says to
Speaker 1: Meg's Yeah, not that I remember. I would say no,
Speaker 1: But I'm not positive, all right, because I always wanted
Speaker 1: to know, Like what is selector fucking saying? He says
Speaker 1: while you're talking in all these different accents. It tastes great,
Speaker 1: just try and uh and so at the end of
Speaker 1: fact one, of course, it's funny too as a writer,
Speaker 1: like you can like set your clock by it, like
Speaker 1: right at that thirty minute mark is when we like
Speaker 1: our story is all set up and he is on
Speaker 1: board to help her collect and catch buffalo bill, yeah,
Speaker 1: like from his dungeon cell. And that just sort of
Speaker 1: sets the whole story in motion. And then immediately smash
Speaker 1: cut to American Girl by Tom Petty. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: best casting when she when in any movie, have you
Speaker 1: seen a girl that looks like Katherine Martin in that
Speaker 1: way where it's just she is. It's not some starlet,
Speaker 1: it's a real girl that you want to high school
Speaker 1: that you know, that's real. That's everything in that movie
Speaker 1: is just so perfect. She pops up a lot, and
Speaker 1: every time I see her, I just think, American Girl,
Speaker 1: don't get in the van, don't do it, get me
Speaker 1: out of here, you bid, don't help you here. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's what you guys preach like over and
Speaker 1: over and over is don't do that. Don't help the guy,
Speaker 1: not at night, not with a van. And that's like
Speaker 1: prime example, when your cat's hungry upstairs, I know, and
Speaker 1: it's so creepy, like you know, get in and like
Speaker 1: just a little further back, you're not gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is the point where I'm not gonna help you anymore.
Speaker 1: You're not going to do that in like probably had
Speaker 1: an inkling. She's getting shock like she does go yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: yeah that's right and kind of laughs a little like
Speaker 1: chilling and heartbreaking and it is also anyone that follows
Speaker 1: true crime that saw that move for the first time,
Speaker 1: it's just like, right now, we're in a combination. But
Speaker 1: this is Ted Bundy, like textbook Ted Bundy. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is how he got all of those women to get
Speaker 1: into his sailboat thing, which is broken arm and was
Speaker 1: always helping him do something. Yes, and then you go,
Speaker 1: she'd go with him to the car and well, oh,
Speaker 1: my sailboats. Actually I thought, you knew, just come with
Speaker 1: me to my house. That's where I need help. And
Speaker 1: he was handsome, so he was able to charm their
Speaker 1: way in handsome and like I think, low key, you know,
Speaker 1: like he was. He was. It's that thing where people
Speaker 1: think if you're around, uh, like a psychopath, that you're
Speaker 1: going to get a vibe of psychopath, when in fact,
Speaker 1: because there's brilliant psychopaths, they're ever going to give you
Speaker 1: that vibe. You will never see it coming from mile away.
Speaker 1: That's how they do it. We were raised not to
Speaker 1: be rude and say, oh, funk, this guy's giving a
Speaker 1: weird vibes. I'm gonna get the funk out of here.
Speaker 1: Be like, you know what, never mind, that's why you're
Speaker 1: doing a service like key rude if you have to
Speaker 1: be Yah, we did the Stuff you should Know episode
Speaker 1: on sociopaths and had people right in, like sociopaths right
Speaker 1: in and say, please don't share this. I'm a sociopath,
Speaker 1: and um, I basically spend my days pretending that I'm not,
Speaker 1: and I have to fake laugh and I have to
Speaker 1: fake myself in meetings at work. And I have a
Speaker 1: family and I've talked to my son about it and
Speaker 1: like we're open about it. And it's this fucking chilling
Speaker 1: to read, but also like it's good that they know
Speaker 1: this and that they are dealing with it. But it's
Speaker 1: just the majority aren't murderers too, and with different sociopathy
Speaker 1: and psychopathy or two different things, but not It's there's
Speaker 1: a fine line, it's very close. It's very close. Well.
Speaker 1: And also I think it's such if you're a sociopath
Speaker 1: and you don't have essentially it's like you don't have empathy,
Speaker 1: you don't have that connection, right, So it you are
Speaker 1: making a choice to care enough to fake lass, right.
Speaker 1: That's what's interesting to me is that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: the divergence there is like who raised you that you
Speaker 1: know to do that, or you want to do that
Speaker 1: as opposed to wanting to go I want to do
Speaker 1: whatever I want. Yeah. Yeah, we had a woman with
Speaker 1: a daughter that wrote in who was a sociopath and
Speaker 1: it was just really interesting and fascinating and sad. Yeah
Speaker 1: they're born that way, right, you know? Yeah? All right
Speaker 1: that the uh so Jodie Foster Clares is getting tested
Speaker 1: through the entire movie. I feel like it's it's just
Speaker 1: one giant test after test after test from either Scott
Speaker 1: Glenn Um and I feel like when I first used
Speaker 1: to watch that movie, I didn't think he was taking
Speaker 1: care of her enough, But now as an adult, I'm
Speaker 1: like he was probably kind of doing the right thing,
Speaker 1: trying to bring her along to be a good FED.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand until they watched it recently that he
Speaker 1: wasn't hitting on her Like I didn't guess that there
Speaker 1: wasn't actually sexual h undertones. There weren't, right, No, I
Speaker 1: don't think so I do. But um, well, for me,
Speaker 1: I always felt it was of course he couldn't do that.
Speaker 1: So he's a FED. He's like the person that can
Speaker 1: turn off his feelings and he has to for the
Speaker 1: job and all that but I do feel like he
Speaker 1: picked her because he admired her. He knew her story,
Speaker 1: and he knows she's this fucking orphan that that is
Speaker 1: a self made man, and he knows how picked her.
Speaker 1: She's trying and she challenged him in his class too, yes,
Speaker 1: and that's right at the beginning, you learned that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he remembers her, and so he's like, this is he
Speaker 1: passed to to have a woman. There probably aren't that
Speaker 1: many to choose from, but he knows the work she's
Speaker 1: been doing. Yeah, I think it's that. Yeah, right, And
Speaker 1: he sets her up by not telling her at the
Speaker 1: very beginning and he was like, you know, I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell you that, right, which was right, exactly right, but
Speaker 1: I didn't. I think it took me being an adult
Speaker 1: watching this movie, even though I've seen it like kind
Speaker 1: of probably every year since i've seen it, but it
Speaker 1: kind of finally hit home, like he's probably doing the
Speaker 1: right thing as a boss, Yes, for sure, to train
Speaker 1: her in the right way. You don't get trained by
Speaker 1: like what's what you want it to be. It's like
Speaker 1: you have to go in there and do the job
Speaker 1: that needs to get done and then learn something. And
Speaker 1: I mean the way I love the way when she
Speaker 1: first goes to see him, like that whole conversation she
Speaker 1: has with Barney where he's like calming her down, and
Speaker 1: the more he tries to calm her down, the crazier
Speaker 1: it makes me feel. It's like, how bad is this
Speaker 1: going to be? That you are being this like? And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch you and everything's fine and we're fine.
Speaker 1: But it's like, clearly nothing's fine if you're this like,
Speaker 1: you have to be this calming. I just think that
Speaker 1: there's that It's that like watching a person, which is
Speaker 1: also a lot like life where we're students, but then
Speaker 1: we actually have to go and like really live it
Speaker 1: and do something real and it's not gonna who knows
Speaker 1: what it's really going to be like, but you have
Speaker 1: to go try. Yeah. Like the most lame, innocuous version
Speaker 1: of that is you can take Princh classes till the
Speaker 1: cows come home, but until you go live in Paris
Speaker 1: for a year. Uh and um, this is a coastal
Speaker 1: elite talking. That was my reference. You really just got
Speaker 1: to live in Paris. Oh my god, you love the
Speaker 1: Es so much. It's true, you have you can't run
Speaker 1: around on Quantico with the rest of your life. There's
Speaker 1: like extra scenes in that movie. And there is the
Speaker 1: scene where they run the drill and go and you know,
Speaker 1: swat into the room and she's dead. Yeah she doesn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know that. It doesn't look in a corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah there, And that's not an extra scene. It's there
Speaker 1: to be like she's not ready for you know that
Speaker 1: she still needs training, but for some reason she's being
Speaker 1: thrown into this other world. And that foreshadowing. Then when
Speaker 1: you when she when he dips around that corner weird
Speaker 1: like and she's like just stop right there or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know that this is a person who already you're
Speaker 1: dead starling like, yeah, this is she's going to die.
Speaker 1: That's what you know for a fact. Because if she
Speaker 1: didn't pass it when it was fake, how in God's
Speaker 1: name no, I mean, how brilliant. It's a perfect movie.
Speaker 1: It's perfect, it really is. There's not a wasted shot.
Speaker 1: Everything has relevant. God, that score looks so good. And
Speaker 1: every time I hear American Girl, it's the only thing
Speaker 1: I think that's a Tom Petty. So that's hard to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is to to overcome Tom Petty's Tom pettiness, and
Speaker 1: I feel like there are directors who could have made
Speaker 1: that night vision goggle scene um really cheesy, Like it
Speaker 1: could have kind of gone off the rails and turn
Speaker 1: into it like an action movie. Her breathing, like I
Speaker 1: almost had a panic attack when I saw it in
Speaker 1: the theater for the first time because it's so realistic.
Speaker 1: When she's like, yeah, have you ever won those night
Speaker 1: vision goggles? No, but I think there's a I think
Speaker 1: there's an help. You can simulate it. Yeah, you have
Speaker 1: night vision camera on your phone. Really, that's frightening. I
Speaker 1: know it's probably some kind of simulation because the technology
Speaker 1: is not there hopefullly known nefarious, nothing nefarious is happening there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My brother in law's in the Marines, and so he
Speaker 1: let me play with them one night when I was
Speaker 1: like seventeen, like walk around this neighborhood. It was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Was it crazy? Yeah, it's amazing. Could you see tons
Speaker 1: of ship? It mean, it looks just like the movie,
Speaker 1: like it operates on available light. Though he can't be
Speaker 1: in pitch darkness. It'll it just amplifies like a candle
Speaker 1: light times or whatever. Thousand. So um, I guess I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a mistake in a movie or not,
Speaker 1: because I don't think there's maybe there's some light down there.
Speaker 1: There's got to be something. There's a little bit of
Speaker 1: it from his weird sewing room. Oh, right under the door,
Speaker 1: maybe with a Nazi blanket, fast blanket. Again. I never
Speaker 1: noticed that. It's it's so unnerving where you're just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is weird. I don't like that he's putting on
Speaker 1: lipstick and talking in this weird voice. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: And then you just like passes by a thing where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is not okay, Yeah, this isn't
Speaker 1: I didn't notice. Another thing I didn't notice is that
Speaker 1: he's wearing someone else's scalp when he's in front of
Speaker 1: the camera. Oh is that right? Yeah, the penis tux
Speaker 1: when he's number one. Yeah, when he's putting the eyes
Speaker 1: shadow on, there's piece of scalp. And his hair is
Speaker 1: he's got full blonde. That's right. I think I noticed that.
Speaker 1: I was just assumed it was a wig. Nope, it's
Speaker 1: there's a piece of fucking scalped. I have not noticed that.
Speaker 1: I believe, like you need to see this. Wow, that's good.
Speaker 1: I've watched this movie. My wife and are obsessed with
Speaker 1: this movie too. And it was on like whatever five
Speaker 1: or six months ago, and I was in the bedroom
Speaker 1: and she didn't know was on, and she was in
Speaker 1: the kitchen doing something and that scene was on and
Speaker 1: I paused it right at that moment and just sort
Speaker 1: of left it on the TV. And then she she
Speaker 1: walked in and looked and it was just like, oh Jesus,
Speaker 1: how cool it would be, Like, like, listen if someone
Speaker 1: is at a dive bar with me and puts on
Speaker 1: that song on the fucking jukebox, creepy song and win awards.
Speaker 1: I can hear it. What song is that loves Jezebel? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it is. It's a bit obscure, but you
Speaker 1: can't hear that song and immediately Like sometimes I can
Speaker 1: hear American Girl and not think of that. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: there's no way you can hear that song without thinking
Speaker 1: of the penis duck, like one of the creepier scenes
Speaker 1: I've heard. Well, now you know that he's also wearing scout. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I gotta I gotta watch it yet again. And
Speaker 1: he has he has the worst voice, Like I'm my
Speaker 1: apologies to that actor, but it's like his voice is
Speaker 1: so deep it feels like something's wrong, there's something in
Speaker 1: your road. Well she breaks the case. That's right. She's
Speaker 1: the one that discovers that in the picture. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: which is how we meet up with the nerds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. They're more. They were at through graduation there dating. Well,
Speaker 1: they're friends. I don't know if there and I think
Speaker 1: they're friends, good friends. She probably is dating Ardelia Map,
Speaker 1: her roommate. Then she's doing them. But still I love
Speaker 1: that they're friends. Like she she's going to build a
Speaker 1: little life there. And she was the only person who like, yes,
Speaker 1: came on to her, but not in a creepy way.
Speaker 1: He was cute flirting. It was sweet fling. Are you
Speaker 1: flirting with my doctor? My friend Demie. I just should
Speaker 1: say this. My friend Damie O'Neill truly is watched this
Speaker 1: movie hundreds of times and knows every single word. And
Speaker 1: one time she and I were in Wisconsin or something,
Speaker 1: and I went to see her band and then we
Speaker 1: went back to my ruined it came on and she
Speaker 1: had to say every line, like especially in the pauses,
Speaker 1: and she turned to me and she was I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I love this. It was hilarious. It's
Speaker 1: so good. Yeah, And well he talks um speaking of
Speaker 1: his voice earlier with the couchine and everything, but the
Speaker 1: first time we really get that voice is you know,
Speaker 1: it puts solution in the basket, and the way he's
Speaker 1: saying it is and the way he's sitting on the
Speaker 1: edge of the whatever, it's just the fucking creepiest thing
Speaker 1: ever talking about it, Yeah, just referring to her as
Speaker 1: it was just chilling, and then the screaming at the
Speaker 1: end when he's mocking her screaming, Yeah, look at this
Speaker 1: woman screaming. It's so chilling. Sy and the is that
Speaker 1: the part, oh yeah, because that's the part where the
Speaker 1: basket goes back up and she sees the fingernail blood right,
Speaker 1: which is like it's those things he understood so much.
Speaker 1: That horror isn't like a an than the eye. It's
Speaker 1: like a bloody fingernails sitting on this thing, which we
Speaker 1: had just heard about when they were doing the her nails.
Speaker 1: Something is under her nails. This is city, this is city.
Speaker 1: That fingernail well, but also like she's I get it,
Speaker 1: that's chilling to see the fingernails because she knows other
Speaker 1: women have been there, but like she knew what was
Speaker 1: going to end well anyway, right, I guess that was
Speaker 1: the straw escape. There's no escape. That was when she
Speaker 1: truly realized that other people have not escaped from the
Speaker 1: same well. And she was very sweet to take that
Speaker 1: dog at the end too. I know, I loved unless
Speaker 1: she went home and like strangles the ultimate, but I
Speaker 1: do love that that. Uh. I love that she was
Speaker 1: down in that well. There was no escape, there's a
Speaker 1: bloody fan, and she still made a plan and she
Speaker 1: didn't funk around. It was like Katherine Martin was nailed
Speaker 1: it in that way. We're just like, I'm still going
Speaker 1: to do something if I have to be down here
Speaker 1: and it's this bad. And then it kind of worked
Speaker 1: like that was a big you know, it's so good.
Speaker 1: Every nobody scrapped asshole. So they wind up in the
Speaker 1: third act lectures in that that amazing set that they built,
Speaker 1: that temporary cage, which makes no sense, makes no start question,
Speaker 1: with so many, so many weapons, possible weapons. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like I saw that. Have you ever been to the
Speaker 1: Museum of Moving Image in Queens New York. It's great. Well,
Speaker 1: they I went to see a Madman exhibit a few
Speaker 1: years ago there, but they had a they had all
Speaker 1: the original artistic drawings of that set um for the
Speaker 1: set designer, and they had the shot there, the drawing,
Speaker 1: the like the penciling of him like you know, like
Speaker 1: like with angel wings way up, which also makes no
Speaker 1: sense whatsoever that he could have gotten him up there.
Speaker 1: But you just don't even question that kind of ship
Speaker 1: because it looks amazing. And I do think it was
Speaker 1: from the book from what I remember. I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: but I feel like that whole thing of we had
Speaker 1: to we were moving him from here to there, we
Speaker 1: have to stop here. We have to do a makeshift,
Speaker 1: you know, swap team style cage or whatever. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure which they fared from the local zoo presumably
Speaker 1: you know, the human cage we could rent it from from.
Speaker 1: Let's give him some privacy when he's on the toilet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's only deep humanity. That whole sequence is great, though,
Speaker 1: the only thing that kind of took me out of
Speaker 1: the movie is when Chris Isaac weirdly shows up. Oh ship,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's Chris Isaac. Yes, it's Chris Isaac.
Speaker 1: Inexplicably it's Chris. It's Chris Isaac, who's like, I'm a
Speaker 1: huge musician star at the time, but I feel like
Speaker 1: I want to dip my talent into acting. Oh here
Speaker 1: I get three lines in this movie I don't even wrong,
Speaker 1: which could make sense for Chris Isaac. Yeah, he must
Speaker 1: spend with Jonathan Demis because Demi puts a lot of
Speaker 1: his little pals like in his movie. He also looks
Speaker 1: a lot like what's our villain? Who's the leader of
Speaker 1: the psychiatric hospital? Oh? Dr Chiltern? Yeah, I think they
Speaker 1: look too similar to be together, and like personally I
Speaker 1: was I saw his face and it's really similar. Oh
Speaker 1: that's true, similar to who Dr Dr Chilton? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like fleshy angles and stuff fling. Sorry, Crecise, I
Speaker 1: love you. Actually, my friend Brent, I'm friend, is very generous,
Speaker 1: a guy that used to drink at the same bar.
Speaker 1: We used to drink out friend who was a really
Speaker 1: close friend of mine. He was like there was stand
Speaker 1: up comics, there was Groundlings people, and there was actors,
Speaker 1: gang people who would all go to this bar Felini's
Speaker 1: in the nineties it's very fun. Brent is one of
Speaker 1: those um Swat team guys. He's the kind of like
Speaker 1: he's almost like it's going back down, Like he's the elevator,
Speaker 1: younger looking guy that looks a little bit like you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be involved in Yes, the one who walks her up.
Speaker 1: He takes her up initially holy ship. And so that
Speaker 1: took me out of it because I was so excited
Speaker 1: by the time we got to that point in the movie.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the best movie ever made.
Speaker 1: And then Brent show friends you get sign Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is weird. Uh So I didn't notice until and
Speaker 1: I've seen this movie so many times, but Lecture kills
Speaker 1: fucking seven people in the first hour that he gets
Speaker 1: out of that thing kills two cops, four and the
Speaker 1: ambulance because they say they found the ambulance and and
Speaker 1: so whoever's recapping and they said end of Tourists, they
Speaker 1: just throw that in on the phone. Seven people in
Speaker 1: an hour. As soon as he's out with that brilliant
Speaker 1: plan with the with the pin clip or whatever, she's
Speaker 1: just so creepy slipping that thing in his mouth. Yeah. God,
Speaker 1: it just has that shot at the pen and you
Speaker 1: see him looking at This is not gonna end well
Speaker 1: for anyone. Uh. And then the end that that cross
Speaker 1: cutting sequence at the end of the movie, um is
Speaker 1: so brilliantly played out. I don't know why this didn't
Speaker 1: win Best Editing because it was just such a clever
Speaker 1: bit of misdirection. You don't see I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on which part because you they're the swat team
Speaker 1: is going yeah, and she's like dang dong, gorgeous and
Speaker 1: fresh off Proderica Bemmel's house. Right, she was like basically
Speaker 1: met the friend, creepy as polaroids, and she thinks that
Speaker 1: they're a couple states over catching the guys. Seems where
Speaker 1: he's still out here, right, He's not out here anymore.
Speaker 1: They're take care of it. Yeah, But she, because she's
Speaker 1: clearly starling, starts to sniff it out and he well,
Speaker 1: of course the classic line she did great person fourteen
Speaker 1: roomy yeah. Uh. And then the other creepy part of
Speaker 1: that scene has went. The way he drops those business cards,
Speaker 1: just lets them fall away in his hands, and then
Speaker 1: he like he giggles and but he goes sideways like
Speaker 1: hip first the door specific move not right like what
Speaker 1: I mean, you just did it looks like you made
Speaker 1: yourself look like a snake being on the planet. And
Speaker 1: then we passed up. Well, first we pass over the
Speaker 1: sewing stuff and there's a sucking death head moth creeping
Speaker 1: on over them, and that's her moment of because this
Speaker 1: guy is not right. Clearly there's something wrong. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: when comes full circle, she's being she's already being just normal,
Speaker 1: asking questions. Then she said, use your phone please. She
Speaker 1: just perfectly does it the way you would do it
Speaker 1: if you were face to face with a fucking serious
Speaker 1: trying to keep a lid on it your phone, and
Speaker 1: you get the feeling because she's so good. She's probably
Speaker 1: right as she walks in, like, this feels like a
Speaker 1: kill house. Yeah, but they're getting him in another state,
Speaker 1: but this feels like a kill house. That design is
Speaker 1: fucking amid Like I feel like in another life I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to be a set designer because I'm always like
Speaker 1: the pan of eggs that's like on the stove and
Speaker 1: it just says weird little touches of clearly this is
Speaker 1: someone else's how Yeah, that hasn't been lived in or
Speaker 1: walked in, or clean or cleaning, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's quiet and still compared to what's going on downstairs,
Speaker 1: it's just so great. And he's just he's almost unpeeling
Speaker 1: his own wrapper because she's just asking regular questions. But
Speaker 1: then he's like, oh, wait, we're sorry. Where she he's
Speaker 1: doing things where she's like wait, why did you Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he keeps you know, like asking this the way
Speaker 1: to catch that? Yeah, I think, yeah. Well, and because
Speaker 1: of the misdirection and they're breaking into the wrong house,
Speaker 1: like you know, as a viewer, she's all alone, and
Speaker 1: that's just such a like a vulnerable feeling as a
Speaker 1: as an audience member to know that this rookie student
Speaker 1: is in front of like the worst serial killer ever
Speaker 1: and she's got no backup, like nobody's coming, nobody's coming. Also,
Speaker 1: I think that the going into Frederica Demo's room scene
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite scenes of ANUE move Be
Speaker 1: because she is just trying to collect information. She doesn't know,
Speaker 1: she doesn't have a plan, and she kind of goes
Speaker 1: up and is looking around and it's this thing of
Speaker 1: like it's it's that thing of like why women should
Speaker 1: be cops. It's like when you go into another woman's
Speaker 1: room where you know where her fucking underpants, polaroids are hid,
Speaker 1: anyone you know where you hit your ship, you know
Speaker 1: what's often what stage because you would never leave your
Speaker 1: ship exactly, and the like all of those things that
Speaker 1: they they she I think she even follows the cat up.
Speaker 1: It's like she's the cat me out is from her room.
Speaker 1: The cats like coming too, this fucking so they like
Speaker 1: there are things in there that they did that It's
Speaker 1: like it's not all just horror, it's not all just action.
Speaker 1: It's like there's just this. There's that kind of how
Speaker 1: how it is. I think when people work on things
Speaker 1: and it's like you don't really know why you turn
Speaker 1: to left and went into that room, the cat me
Speaker 1: out or whatever, but suddenly you're here and and oh,
Speaker 1: she has the same jewelry box I had. Why has
Speaker 1: this edge pull? And like that moment where she pulls
Speaker 1: the top out of that jewelry box was like as
Speaker 1: a girl is like thrilling. It's like, yes, this is
Speaker 1: exactly how it would be. This is the realness of it,
Speaker 1: and it's very like a twin peaks the moment I
Speaker 1: think too or I don't know which came first probably
Speaker 1: twin Peaks, right, I don't know. Um, they are actually
Speaker 1: kind of a right around the same time because it
Speaker 1: was like early college for me. Yeah, like the secrets
Speaker 1: that women keep, the secret that girls keep, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: dude would not have he would have walked in that
Speaker 1: room and like nothing to see here, right, just like
Speaker 1: cleared a shelf of his arm and then walked up
Speaker 1: and also parted and then left looking around making sure
Speaker 1: the dad's still outside, pushing back to the dresses in
Speaker 1: the closet, and the diamond pattern was like chilling, Yeah, amazing. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then we get the great night vision scene where
Speaker 1: you know that the creepy shu ever is when he's
Speaker 1: reaching out to her and just kind of like sucking
Speaker 1: with her and she can feel him like you can
Speaker 1: sense after she's told Katherine like it's all good, yeah,
Speaker 1: and yelling it loud enough other way like that's so real,
Speaker 1: Like I'm so glad you're here. It's like real, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to sit tight. Yeah. Yeah, while this
Speaker 1: you know, twenty one year old who have never made
Speaker 1: with a little gun, and you don't know how crazy
Speaker 1: she's like he's a psycho don't all go after him. Also,
Speaker 1: the way she was trying to do like form perfect,
Speaker 1: dipping her head into the well to talk to her,
Speaker 1: shutting all those doors, like yeah, she's she's her training
Speaker 1: is like kicking at this point. But it's the creepiest
Speaker 1: training room she's ever been, Like, it's beyond horrifying. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then every room she goes into, because every room
Speaker 1: she goes into his answers and it's got to be
Speaker 1: so exciting to be like, and this is where he's
Speaker 1: been keeping them, this is you know what he's doing
Speaker 1: with them, this is how he got to this. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like every room it's it's like a escape room.
Speaker 1: It's sot and so filled with fucking molds. And don't
Speaker 1: die because no, you have the answers. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: just don't die, you can actually get this guy right
Speaker 1: or I'm going to be in that fucking well with Catherine. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: And I think now that we talked about the cat part,
Speaker 1: now I have that same word. It's like that is
Speaker 1: a little bit of the laced through intuition magic thing
Speaker 1: that got laid in a little bit where it's in
Speaker 1: the instinct so that when she hears his the gun
Speaker 1: cock she has that, you know what I mean, She's
Speaker 1: she trusts herself because she's already been right, she's already
Speaker 1: proven it right where it's like, however you get to
Speaker 1: the answer, you got to the answer, so trust yourself
Speaker 1: that you're right. And she blows his ass away, destroys
Speaker 1: his whole situation the way he dies. What a beautiful
Speaker 1: to ask. Yeah, and he doesn't, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: the trope thing where he comes back to life, which
Speaker 1: was great. That would have been away, which is so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that training kicking in. Yeah, now she's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: get why you do this. I can't wait to shut
Speaker 1: all the doors. I get it. And we didn't even
Speaker 1: talk about the senator scene, which is one of the
Speaker 1: great scenes that talk about art directions building That fucking
Speaker 1: furniture dolly that he was gets so iconic. Have you
Speaker 1: seen there's a thing where they test out all the
Speaker 1: masks there there's lots of choices of what what kind
Speaker 1: of hockey mask? Like what kind of masks they were
Speaker 1: fine to use? And it's just funny. It's like Anthony
Speaker 1: Hopkins with the What I do believe about that scene
Speaker 1: is that he is in this humiliating powerless position and
Speaker 1: the scene ends with him having all the power despite that,
Speaker 1: and it's just such a testament to him and his
Speaker 1: acting in the script and it's really cool and like
Speaker 1: his as doctor Lector, it's all about his words, the
Speaker 1: way he uses words. But like he destroy her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and trax Island you will be free to well. Uh
Speaker 1: and then the great Danie Mall at the end with
Speaker 1: um with him. You know you're rooting for Hannibal to
Speaker 1: fucking eat Chilton. It's some bit of magic that Demi
Speaker 1: pulls where you're like, yeah, go kill and eat that guy.
Speaker 1: You know why we couldn't figure out why he was there,
Speaker 1: like get there. I think he was just vacation, getting
Speaker 1: away a weird trip, Okay, he and maybe he I
Speaker 1: think he said something to the guy when he gets
Speaker 1: off the plane that maybe said like he was there
Speaker 1: for a conference or something like that, but like a
Speaker 1: psycho psychiatrist conference, yeah, or which was in Brazil, I guess,
Speaker 1: or something in Cuba. You didn't know where that was
Speaker 1: it may say, I'm not even sure. Ends up calling
Speaker 1: this random phone at graduation Yeah, sure, yeah, that p
Speaker 1: that's brick by the graduation every year. But that's a
Speaker 1: great moment though when he says, you know, the world's
Speaker 1: more interesting with you in it. And that's the nature
Speaker 1: of their relationship, Like he doesn't want to kill her
Speaker 1: full father daughtery. Well, it's like he's he makes choices
Speaker 1: about who he kills, so there's almost you almost respect.
Speaker 1: He's just not some berserking animal. He's like gentlemen. And
Speaker 1: he won't take he won't take credit for killing hester Momfett, right,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't want these number about me. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a really it's not about that. My favorite of all
Speaker 1: the when I was looking through the gifts, um, and
Speaker 1: there's some great ones. There's one that somebody made where
Speaker 1: when it's the reveal of when that that wall ends
Speaker 1: and you can see his cell, they put all these
Speaker 1: like hot topics posters behind him, so like right behind
Speaker 1: him there's a Hello Kiddie poster, so hilarious, Like every
Speaker 1: inch of his walls or government placed that was not
Speaker 1: post are the best. Sometimes that's great, um. And that's
Speaker 1: the end of the movie. Uh, you know that he's
Speaker 1: gonna and she says, you know, you know, I can't
Speaker 1: promise you that, Like he knows that She's gonna come
Speaker 1: after him. She knows that. But that's like part of that,
Speaker 1: Like the beautiful dance that to me creates from the beginning,
Speaker 1: just so great. All right, we finished with a couple
Speaker 1: of quick things. What Ebert said this movie is a
Speaker 1: complete disappointment. I would like to go back and see
Speaker 1: what Roger Ebert thought. Four stars of course for this year.
Speaker 1: The secret of Silence is that it doesn't start with
Speaker 1: a cannibal. It arrives at him through the eyes and
Speaker 1: minds of a young woman. The popularity of Jonathan Demi's
Speaker 1: movie is likely to last as long as there is
Speaker 1: a market for being scared Amen. But Silence of the
Speaker 1: Lambs is not merely a thrill show. It is also
Speaker 1: about two of the most memorable characters in movie history,
Speaker 1: Clarice Starling and Hannibal Lecture and their strange, strained relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then five questions. First movie you remember seeing in
Speaker 1: the theater Back to the Future Pete's Dragon, that was like,
Speaker 1: it's probably five, right, really young Disney, I think I was.
Speaker 1: I think it was I was five. Went Back to
Speaker 1: the Future came out and it was just like, well, fuck,
Speaker 1: my life is this is it? Yeah, that's crazy. That's
Speaker 1: a good first one. First are raided movie. I think
Speaker 1: you already said, yeah, um, oh god, I don't know
Speaker 1: what year came out. I want to. We just watched
Speaker 1: so much ship um that I can remember. What's the
Speaker 1: one with the killer toy. Child's Play? Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a terrible movie to see as a child was my favorite.
Speaker 1: This is literally no supervision. I just want to Little
Speaker 1: Darlings and Child's Play. Will you walk out of a
Speaker 1: bad movie? Hell? Yes. I stormed out of Van Helsing
Speaker 1: because also I saw at the Vista, and you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes the Vista, when they get it right, it's perfect.
Speaker 1: But in this, because there was so much glingling sword
Speaker 1: fucking playing, it was like it was it was like
Speaker 1: my ear drums were like, please get us out of here.
Speaker 1: And I had told I was with my boyfriend at
Speaker 1: the time and my other friend and I kept going,
Speaker 1: it's too loud, I can't and I kept saying they
Speaker 1: were like, and I just fucking got up and left
Speaker 1: and drove home. I was like, get home on your own.
Speaker 1: I'm so livid. It was a boring movie. Anyway, it
Speaker 1: was like it was physically painful to watch. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: never saw that, but my friend Scottie, who's a DP
Speaker 1: said he had a forward review Van Helsing Van Horrible,
Speaker 1: which we still laugh at today. For some reason, you
Speaker 1: walk out, I will, But I also it's really hard
Speaker 1: to get me to go see a movie in the theater.
Speaker 1: I really don't enjoy it, partly because of the sound.
Speaker 1: I have, like a really sensitive hearing. I think the
Speaker 1: only movie I've seen with you is the Mad Max
Speaker 1: movie recently. Yeah, just want the only movie. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had stand in my seat with ship in my ears,
Speaker 1: but I was enjoying it, So I say you should
Speaker 1: get you know, they make ear plugs for bands that
Speaker 1: oh they fit you specifically right, well, they fit you,
Speaker 1: but they also allow in the right sounds, so it's
Speaker 1: not just like sticking your fingers in your ears. They're okay,
Speaker 1: they work alright, highly sensitive. We'll get you something not
Speaker 1: about murder that I'm fine with that. Uh alright. Number
Speaker 1: four I tailored to the guests. So right here I
Speaker 1: have who plays Karen and Georgia and the my favorite
Speaker 1: murder bio. I think it's a Gilmer girls. Right, it's
Speaker 1: about to go. Well, Jodie Foster could come back. F oh,
Speaker 1: my god, that she just switches wigs and it's straight
Speaker 1: into camera. Also here stand here and she moves her body.
Speaker 1: It's not even I guess if they can do that
Speaker 1: with the fucking Winkle Boss Twins, double up Army Hammer
Speaker 1: and they can double u Jodie Foster's. And then finally
Speaker 1: a movie going one on one? What's your what's your
Speaker 1: jam at the movies? Where do you sit? What do
Speaker 1: you get? Mine? Is I love the arc Light' I
Speaker 1: hope it's not really scientologist based, because that a theory.
Speaker 1: Now that's a theory that it's basically a company that
Speaker 1: funded by or scientology makes money. But I don't care
Speaker 1: because normal movie theaters is just the worst people. It's
Speaker 1: like people go to check their phones these days. It's
Speaker 1: like everyone's got so ill mannered the movie theater. So
Speaker 1: I love the arc Light because they take it seriously.
Speaker 1: They take it's cushy. Everybody's there to actually do the
Speaker 1: thing that you're supposed to be doing. People don't like
Speaker 1: talk or funk around. Um always on the aisle usually
Speaker 1: if you're facing if I'm the screen looking up right
Speaker 1: hand side, like halfway up, um, but all the way
Speaker 1: up to the edge. Huh yeah, because you need to peepee,
Speaker 1: or because I don't want to get out of there.
Speaker 1: The ideas when you stand and have to walk down
Speaker 1: that row at the end and you kind of bounce
Speaker 1: against everything. I just always like, what is something happened?
Speaker 1: Just kick over, just like I just want to get out. Well,
Speaker 1: it is funny as like as I get older. Uh,
Speaker 1: group of Swinton saw Beck in Atlanta recently at this
Speaker 1: place called the Tabernacle, which has this old church that
Speaker 1: has three really steep balconies were on the very last row,
Speaker 1: and young Chuck would have just been like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: like these seats are shitty. Old Chuck was like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna die if anything happens in here. Yeah, if there's
Speaker 1: a fire, if there's if things start happening. For many reasons,
Speaker 1: I can't go to the movies. I'm like, we're dead.
Speaker 1: Well what happened right now? Yeah? So many bad things? Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: what do you eat? Oh? I like, well, if I'm
Speaker 1: really going to go for it, I'll get popcorn and
Speaker 1: then put Eminem's into it. I was going to that
Speaker 1: with the usually plain okay, yeah Jenior mints and that
Speaker 1: the popcorn is a nice mix to mixed gen mints
Speaker 1: in I'll put them in my hand together because it'll
Speaker 1: melt to otherwise, right, poor good together. Yeah that's what
Speaker 1: Lauren Cook does. Oh oh my god, that's what. And
Speaker 1: a can of wine that I bring my person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have and movies. I don't have to smoke pots,
Speaker 1: so I can't like get high. I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: other reason to go to the Arc Light, as you
Speaker 1: just drive up to the roof and get your get
Speaker 1: done whatever you choose to get done in your smoke.
Speaker 1: Is there a secret bar, wasn't it. I don't love
Speaker 1: her anymore, so I don't know what's going on. They
Speaker 1: built like like right before I left. Oh yeah, but
Speaker 1: they have they have places in Atlanta that have just
Speaker 1: regular theaters where you can buy beer and wine. Screenings
Speaker 1: at the arc Light where you can do that yeah screens,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Yeah. They think for old people. For certain
Speaker 1: it's like for certain shows they're like if this one
Speaker 1: they'll be drinking. Yeah yeah, but I have to piece
Speaker 1: so much when I drink, so I just couldn't do
Speaker 1: it because I don't want to miss much. Barry Diver
Speaker 1: and that's the perfect way to end this one. Thank you. Ladies,
Speaker 1: So Much Fun. Movie Crash is produced and written by
Speaker 1: Charles Bryant and Meel Brown, edited and engineered by Seth
Speaker 1: Nicholas Johnson, is scored by Noel Brown here in our
Speaker 1: home studio at Pontsty Market, Atlanta, Georgia. For I Heart Radio.
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