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Speaker 1: This is a rookie knockamore, former Baltimore Raven and Carolina Panther,

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Speaker 1: and this is the NFL Players Second Acts Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Peanut Tooman and this is the NFL Players Second

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Speaker 2: Act Podcast. And with me as always is my guy

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Speaker 2: Roman Harper. I ain't even got no.

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Speaker 3: Jokes for you today.

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Speaker 4: I'm just okay, good armor shirt for me today, So

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Speaker 4: I did just like everybody checked that out.

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Speaker 5: I'll bust that thing down.

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Speaker 1: I'm with my guy.

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Speaker 4: I ain't put all the all the wrinkles out of it.

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Speaker 5: It's real.

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Speaker 3: Chris stuff gave me last night from a taxi ride.

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Speaker 5: I did give you thirty dollars.

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Speaker 3: So I I ain't.

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Speaker 2: I'm really taking care of you lately. Our next guest

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Speaker 2: has an unpeccable resume. Play six years in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: a few years in Baltimore, played a year here in Carolina.

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Speaker 2: After the NFL, he's done some work in the media

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Speaker 2: space and in the investment worle ladies and gentlemen, please

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Speaker 2: welcome for rookie knockamore.

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Speaker 1: Rod did. I said, yeah, you did, you did.

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Speaker 3: I was kind of nervous about that.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to Jack up this

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Speaker 2: dude's name, Like how many times have people like destroyed

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Speaker 2: that last night?

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Speaker 1: Oh dude, it's awful. And the funny thing is, like

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Speaker 1: I said before, it's spelled h a r uk I.

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Speaker 1: So it's ha roue key right as simple as it gets.

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Speaker 1: People don't think it is no nickname. You rookie, man, rookie.

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Speaker 4: So I really thought it was way more because I've

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Speaker 4: seen you from Afar. You played safety, you played in

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Speaker 4: the division with me. Also saw you in Baltimore, so

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Speaker 4: you know safety you kind of just pay attention.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, plays always.

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Speaker 4: When we saw each other earlier, we hugged it up

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Speaker 4: like we've known each other for years.

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Speaker 5: Man, first time meeting.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the best dynamic of being a former

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Speaker 1: player because we just spoke before. We're only one person

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Speaker 1: away from really knowing each other. Yes, you know when

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Speaker 1: you make when you make the world of the NFL,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a fraternity that's unlike any other. So

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Speaker 1: and then it's a special place. And I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys having.

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Speaker 5: Me so, so tell me this.

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Speaker 4: So where is the n like playing the NFL, Like,

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Speaker 4: where does that stack up as far as like accomplishments

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Speaker 4: in your family. Because hold and foremost, let me let's

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Speaker 4: go down the line here, right, because yeah, because yeah,

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Speaker 4: the resume of the family. We talked about rookie, but

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Speaker 4: he ain't that high up he is compared to everybody

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Speaker 4: else in the family. Number one, all right, he comes

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Speaker 4: from a family of hi high achievers. Mom is a

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Speaker 4: fourth degree black belt in judop all right, your dad

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Speaker 4: is an eighth degree black belt in judo, which I don't.

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Speaker 5: Even know how you get to eight. You're gonna get

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Speaker 4: And then you have three brothers too, are international judo champs,

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Speaker 4: and one is an actor. Uh, and one is an actor.

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Speaker 4: Your sister is also a national judo champ. Yep, correct, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's we We can spend a whole show on on

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Speaker 1: my family alone. I always say, uh, you know, my family,

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Speaker 1: we had an interesting dynamic and uh, you know, from

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Speaker 1: it's a lifestyle. It's a cultural commitment. So you know,

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Speaker 1: you talk about my my dad's eighth grade black belt.

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Speaker 1: That's not necessarily for perform I'm sorry, performance, but you know,

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Speaker 1: And so there's a lot of those things that we

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Speaker 1: I always start out by saying, I'm the biggest mama's boy.

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Speaker 1: Again, I highly recommend people read about judo, especially how Jigorkano,

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Speaker 1: Judo is I would describe as you know chess, right,

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Speaker 1: talks about using judo to problem solve. Judo is is

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Speaker 1: and it's about understanding how to anticipate, strategize, manipulate, and

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Speaker 1: And so it's almost like it's almost like a religion

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Speaker 1: That's the stuff that motivated me, so, you know, and

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Speaker 1: son has brought back the innocence of it because, as

431
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, the NFL, it's a tough business man is

432
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: it's really hard.

433
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: It's it's very cutthroat.

434
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: But during that time you forget the reasons why you played.

435
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 5: It was so fun man pure, and it was just

436
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 5: the joy.

437
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 3: We were out there.

438
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: That's right.

439
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,479
Speaker 2: And just because you paid a lot of money to

440
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 2: play kids game.

441
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you make it so far you forget that part

442
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 4: of it, and the kids bring you right back to

443
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 4: one joy because they don't studio.

444
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: That's right.

445
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 4: Now.

446
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 3: You you mentioned we played for someone I don't know,

447
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 3: one of the greatest.

448
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 1: I hold on when you have rings.

449
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 4: So it's nine teams that have started out thirteen or

450
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 4: over better in the NFL's history.

451
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 5: Nine I've been on two.

452
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: So it's pretty good.

453
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 5: I'm saying for one of that. It's all right.

454
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: Anyway, listen, I got it. I do have to question

455
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: the strategy the saint sometimes. So, like I said, I

456
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: was with Steve the other day, right, and uh, I

457
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: always tell this funny story about Steve. So we used

458
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: to play the Panthers in Baltimore in and the game

459
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: plan going into the week was this is what we're

460
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: gonna do with Steve Smith. We're gonna tell him, Hey, man,

461
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: I hope you're having a good day. Hey, we're gonna

462
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: pat him on the back. Hey, wish you were on

463
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: our team because we started realizing if you pissed Steve off,

464
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: it just goes up, right. And so so you know

465
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: what I get to when I get to Carolina, I'm like, man,

466
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: you would never believe we were playing psychological warfare with you,

467
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: just to make sure you didn't get mad at us.

468
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: Very Yeah, so it's funny they see yeah, yeah, right, yeah.

469
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we've seen a few those clips,

470
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's funny, man. That that that Saints, Uh,

471
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: that's Saints Panthers rivalry. That was something special and I

472
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: was part of from two thousand and eight to twenty eleven.

473
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: I think I was part of the most violent rivalry

474
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: between the Ravens and Steelers. Yeah, you know, that was

475
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: a That was the time and age of football that

476
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever ever see again.

477
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: So you're you're in Baltimore, you get their facility, get

478
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: in a locker room, and you're about two three lockers

479
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: down from Ray Lewis, Right, yep. Now, I've always had

480
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 2: this idea in my head that when you see Ray Lewis,

481
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: he's always you know, it's like he's always in Ramo,

482
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: Like he's always gonna give you one of these great

483
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: Leonidas speeches all the time.

484
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 3: That's all we know of, man, That's all we know.

485
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: Now you a couple of years with them, your lockers, like,

486
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: couple down from them. Is Ray just kind of like

487
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: chilling sometimes and he just want to laugh and not

488
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: give you.

489
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Speaker 3: A great speech?

490
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 2: Or is he always on ten as far as like

491
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 2: speeches and preaching.

492
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: And I mean, I gotta be honest with you. I mean,

493
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: the dude ties his shoes a certain way. You're like, man,

494
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: those shoes gonna make it, you know. So Ray, So

495
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: go back to being a rookie walking into that defense.

496
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: Our defense was you know Terrell Suggs.

497
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have.

498
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: Helodinada, Kelly Greg, Justin Bannon, Jared Johnson right right, double J.

499
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: One of our favorites. You know. Our linebackers are Bart

500
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: Scott ray Lewis, Our safeties are Heed Reed, Dwan Landry,

501
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: Corey Ivy was our Nickel. We have Chris mccallis during

502
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: Samario roll That's who I'm walking to and then and

503
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't even include the guys that were on the

504
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: depth chart, right, So you know that that locker room.

505
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to Ray in a second, but you

506
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: know that locker room was very special because we very

507
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: rarely had individual meetings. Rex made it a point to

508
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: have unit meetings all the time. And when you sit

509
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: in that room and you hear Ray communicate with Ed,

510
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: Ray communicate with sugs. Jarrett, Hey, did you see this?

511
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: He coaches aren't even run the meetings anymore, they're just

512
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: playing the film and boom, you just hear this communication.

513
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: You hear play recall, you hear all this stuff. But

514
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,719
Speaker 1: Jarret Johnson was in charge of the Circle of Trust.

515
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: And so in the in the unit room, we had

516
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: this you know, whiteboard, and Ray was Ray and Jared

517
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: and all those guys are kind of the back corner,

518
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,479
Speaker 1: and we had this big circle and we had this

519
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: one dot in the middle and everyone's name would be

520
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: on there, and Jarrett was in charge of moving that

521
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: dot closer to the middle of the circle of trust

522
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: or moving you out. And so player accountability, it wasn't

523
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: just ray, it was everybody.

524
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 4: I've never heard of anybody doing that like that and that,

525
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 4: and because you all know exactly what somebody's thinking all

526
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: the time, the communication is even more.

527
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: In the room. The room. Here's the well. I mean,

528
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 1: you know it wasn't my fault. Second to hear that,

529
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: what does Jarrett do that not move you outside a circle? Right?

530
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: And so you know accountability, Oh dude, it's incredible experiences.

531
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: But to hear the room like that, I mean, these

532
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: are some of the best football players in NFL history.

533
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: The way they respect and communicate with each other, and

534
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a it's a it was a very

535
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: very special place. And then the atmosphere that Steve Bushotti

536
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: creates uh AS as an organization, when you have breakfast,

537
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: you have lunch, you have dinner, the entire organization sits

538
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: and eats together. So it's not like executives go sit

539
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: here in this room, and if you go to their facility,

540
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: their dining hall, everyone sits with them. So you may

541
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: sit with you know, you know, the volunteer firefighters. You

542
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: may sit with equipment managers, you may sit with the GM,

543
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: you may sit But the whole thing is you know

544
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: they say that once a raven, always a raven. That's

545
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: because your family. I mean you are truly bought into

546
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 1: the family. And so but back to Ray, there was

547
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: no one who moved the needle more than him, and

548
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: there was no one who once you earned his respect,

549
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he treated you like a brother. I mean,

550
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: he's everybody calls him monk, right because he's ten times

551
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: older than olds, right. But the second you earned his respect,

552
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: I mean you earned his respect for a lifetime. And

553
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: I'm still keep in contact with Ray throughout the years.

554
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: Same thing with Ed. Ed was another guy, different, dynamic,

555
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: little quieter, a little more out there, but he's one

556
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: of those Ed's been like a big brother to me.

557
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 5: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back.

558
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 4: So coming from college University of Cincinnati, number one, how

559
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 4: different was that? Coming from University of Cincinnati when not

560
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 4: everybody's paying attention to what you're doing on the football field,

561
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 4: to where now you're in Baltimore.

562
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: All right?

563
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 5: And then number two, what did they tell you that

564
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 5: during your draft process, like.

565
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 4: Like Harookie Knockamore, your draft is great or what blah

566
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: blah blah blah.

567
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 5: Give me that process.

568
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: So first of all, I want to talk about the

569
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: university's a little bit. It is the greatest place for

570
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: great football players who are maybe a little shorter, maybe

571
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: a little slower, maybe great football players that want to

572
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: be an overachiever. Yeah, and I believe a lot of

573
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: Jason Kelce, Travis Kelce. You know, my freshman year we

574
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: had Trent Cole.

575
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 5: You got Sauce garden right.

576
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: Now, Sauce, But like my freshmanyear, come into University Cincinnati,

577
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: we had Trent Cole, Mike Wright, Super Bowl champion in

578
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: New England, UH Andre Fraser Super Bowl Champ with the

579
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: UH Steelers, Taiwan Haggler Super Bowl Champ with the Colts.

580
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: Like Cincinnati has always had great football players, but maybe

581
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: not big enough for a big ten or this and that.

582
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: So it already had the overachievering overachiever feeling of that dynamic,

583
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: which is like it's the correlation between that and the NFL.

584
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: It's very similar. You know, you're you're not getting Sauce Gardeners.

585
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner came in as a I think even maybe

586
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: not even a star. It was like a one star

587
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: and next thing you know, he has a prestigious career,

588
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, as someone who never gave up a touchdown

589
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: in college his college career. So, you know, going through

590
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: that draft process, I knew I was a good football player.

591
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: I knew I was probably a harder work than everybody

592
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: else because I had to write five ten half Japanese.

593
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: It's you know, I'd come out of high school, still

594
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: have videotape, right, You're you're sending videos out, copies of

595
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: videos back and the way. You know. So you know,

596
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: when you look at a roster you see Haruki Nakamora

597
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: five to ten, You're like, nope, let's be real, right,

598
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: let's be let's let's let's let's let's be real about it. So,

599
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: so you know I already had. I already had a

600
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: pretty thick skin, uh as well. But going through that draft,

601
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: I ended up getting invited to the Hula Bull. So

602
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: I was first team All Biggies player, got invited to

603
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: the Hula Bull, right, so you know I had so

604
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: at that point, I had not been invited to the Combine,

605
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: which is fine, you know, that's the way it works.

606
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: But I uh, I ended up winning the skill m

607
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: VP of that game. I had to pick Fumber FuMB recovery,

608
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of tackles and stuff flying around the field

609
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: because I'm like, this might be the last time I

610
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: ever played. And so I'm thinking, you know, I'm gonna

611
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: get invite to the combine. You know that time comes

612
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: and goes no invite to the Combine'm like it's over,

613
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: It's it's not gonna work. But then I started getting

614
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: a few invites to you know, I had my pro day,

615
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: but then got it invite to go visit Baltimore and

616
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, I would say it went exactly what you

617
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: expect to walk in the room, like, yeah, this that

618
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: is small. They'll tell you to your face you're a

619
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: little shorter. And that's when you start realizing like, yeah,

620
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: I've I've got a lot of uphill. But if I'm

621
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: going to do this, there's a lot I gotta fight.

622
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know if there was necessarily a grade

623
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: that I was given, but I was told like, you

624
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: are a good enough football football player to play, and

625
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: that's all I needed to hear. And so you know,

626
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: I was obviously Baltimore had that year, had quite a

627
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: few draft picks and getting draft in the sixth round.

628
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: I tell you would have thought I got drafted in

629
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: the first round, you know, just having that, having that uh,

630
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: having that experience, you know, I was talking, you know,

631
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: I get the phone call and Ozzie's talking to me,

632
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: and he goes, hey, you know, because that most of

633
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: that organization was the same organization, I mean front office

634
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: and everything that was with the Cleveland Browns. Yea, even

635
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight when they since they moved,

636
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: same exact group saying, all the same executives. And so

637
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: one of the guys was actually alumni from my high

638
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: school and he was the president. He was the president

639
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: at the time of public relations. And so I'm talking

640
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: to Ozzie, talking to I'm sorry, Ozzie Newsom you know,

641
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: talk about yeah, right right right, right right right, you know,

642
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: talking talking to coach Harball. And then as he gets

643
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: back on the phone, he says, hey, somebody wants to

644
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: talk to you. And at that time they hadn't told

645
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: me there, but they were just having a conversation. And

646
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Speaker 1: Kevin Burn gets on the phone. And Kevin Burn's lake

647
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: was sant Edward High School alumni, uh, you know, Cleveland,

648
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: Ohio native, and he goes, hey, rookie, how you doing

649
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's been a long day. You know, it's

650
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: been you know, you know those days, and he goes, well,

651
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: he's like, your day's about to get better. He goes

652
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: from one say one Saint Edward Eagle to another, welcome

653
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: to the Baltimore Ravens, and dude, I'm outside. You know,

654
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: my family's inside watching Eavenly see my name go across,

655
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: and I can hear them screaming. I'm balling. Oh my gosh,

656
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: could have died there, right, I mean, my life, my

657
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: life had been completed. But you know that that process

658
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: is exactly what you kind of expect. Like if you're

659
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: not a tall guy, you're not a big guy, you're

660
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: not I mean, I wasn't slow. I was quicker than fast.

661
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna be hard, especially what they say

662
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: to your face, no doubt, right, I mean that it

663
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: just seems like, uh, it just seems like the honesty

664
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: or you know, whatever you want to call it. There's

665
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: it's it's very in your face.

666
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: And I don't think people understand or realize that when

667
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: you're undersize or you're small like that that whole process,

668
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: that interview process.

669
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Speaker 3: That should go through, it's you are brutal.

670
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 4: I think it's been really interesting because the common fan

671
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 4: has now gotten to see some of the hard knock stuff.

672
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 4: And so even with the Giants this past year or somebody,

673
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 4: they're like seeing some of the off season Like man,

674
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 4: they talk about people.

675
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, let's let's be real. I mean,

676
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: we're commodities. I mean you you are removed it and

677
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: I hate to say it this way, but the human

678
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: entity is completely removed. You are now a commodity, right, Like,

679
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: let's what happens, what happens to a sick cow, what

680
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 1: happens to a racehorse that breaks a leg?

681
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 5: Put them down right?

682
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: And that's that's the nature. That's the nature this this business.

683
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: And you know it's it's so funny. You you you

684
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: realize it's not like that anywhere else in the world.

685
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the business world will get to that stuff,

686
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: it's at some point. But you know, it's it's it's

687
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: interesting to hear when you have these conversations with people

688
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: outside of our world like us, we get it. I mean,

689
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: it's just it comes off the tongue and everybody understands.

690
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: But when you try to have that conversation with people

691
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: who you know, you know, not all of us make

692
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: millions of dollars every single In the first thing, they say,

693
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: oh you made all these millions and millions and millions,

694
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: and you start breaking down what actually went into that stuff,

695
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, my gosh, I never would have thought. Yeah,

696
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot that goes into it.

697
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 5: So so tell me this.

698
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 4: So when you came here to Carolina, because we hear

699
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 4: Bave you've been in this locker room, what was it

700
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 4: like for your first chance and opportunity to become like

701
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 4: a full time starter and on a Panthers defense that

702
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 4: featured a young Luke Keighley, oh Man Davis, I think

703
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: Josh Norman had just gotten there too.

704
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: I think Josh Yeah, I think Josh become Josh j

705
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: Ti yeah yeah. So this is this is my Luke

706
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: Keigley story. So I just come from an NFL locker room,

707
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: especially with ray Lewis. We talked about rayro what thirteenth

708
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 1: at that time, fourteen year NFL veteran, already the best

709
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: has ever played the position. So from a knowledge standpoint,

710
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you he could we'd be watching film

711
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: or you know, in a game. You just hear his

712
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: communication of calling out plays all this it was just

713
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: such a sere like there's no one else in the

714
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: world that could ever do this right, and as a

715
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: rookie you run into it. Luke Keighley, who is freaking athletic,

716
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: you know that right, freakishly athletic po.

717
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 5: We don't give him enough credit for that at all.

718
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: It is, you know, watching him work out. Now, we

719
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: always always talk about the box jumps he used to do. Incredible.

720
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: It's not nothing like nothing.

721
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: That's the whole say, that's just on Luke.

722
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, But then as everybody's already kind of documented, you know,

723
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: him calling out he was doing that as like a

724
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: first week safe, first week rookie man. His reall, his recall,

725
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: his ability to grasp everything that you needed to be

726
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: one of the that first year. It was incredible. I

727
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: mean not that he was he's still making rookie mistakes

728
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: in us, but he was already there. And to go

729
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: from Ray to that and see this as I called

730
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: Chad Steele, who's the president of the UH the pr

731
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: for the Ravens, I remember calling we because we all

732
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: have a great relationship with Ray, and I remember telling

733
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: him like, hey, this kid's already there. Yeah, whatever, you know,

734
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm like now, and then obviously look what happened the

735
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: next eight years. Yeah, he became arguably the best linebacker

736
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: in NFL history. So, you know, my first year, I

737
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: broke my leg. My second year in the NFL, and

738
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: there's no doubt, as you know, major injuries, it starts

739
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: the clock, right, it starts taking a little bit faster.

740
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: So I broke my leg my second year in Baltimore

741
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: and ended up playing you know, my third and fourth

742
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: year in Baltimore. But when, as you know, when you

743
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: have a major injury, potentially your body can start over compensating.

744
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. So by the time I got

745
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: to Carolina, my body was pretty worn. We had already

746
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, rookie year, played the AFC Championship game. Second year,

747
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: break my leg. Going through that second year, you know,

748
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: we're in the playoffs again, we're you know, my my

749
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: last year in Baltimore, we're playing the AFC Championship Game

750
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: again against New England Patriots. So I had a lot

751
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: of mileage, a lot of miles in a very short

752
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: period of time. Now, wouldn't change it for anything else.

753
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: It's experience of a lifetime. But you know, I get

754
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: to Carolina. I mean that first year, I think I finished.

755
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: I finished the year on IR with a I tore

756
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: my groin. Yeah yeah, and the thing was being a

757
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: stubborn no excuse guy I played. Yeah yeah, I played

758
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: the entire year that way. And my junior you know,

759
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: I did it. My junior in college, I played with

760
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: a stress fracture. My like the entire seasons, I'm thinking,

761
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: like I can, I can just put one of the

762
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: biggest as you guys, as you guys, but as you

763
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: guys know, you know, I didn't have the maturity to

764
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: be able to say I need to take care of

765
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: this now because your fear it's going to be gone tomorrow.

766
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: So you know that's it and so and then you

767
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: know that's My time in Carolina wasn't necessarily the greatest,

768
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: but I mean it brought me to a place that

769
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: I call home. Now. Yeah, shall we talk about Charlotte's

770
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: beautiful place you.

771
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 5: Gonna live in North Carolina. I came here in twenty fifteen.

772
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: We go where we start thirteen and all fourteen and

773
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: oh fourteen and zero amazing season. Guys are on fire,

774
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: on fire, on fire, and then I think it was.

775
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 3: Like maybe the eighth ninth game of the season.

776
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: I termed my ACL sit down about two weeks and

777
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: I come back. I don't know why he thought crazy,

778
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 2: And dude, you guys, that's the one thing I still

779
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: started torn ACL. I'm still starting in the National Football

780
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: League with a torn ACL, crazy right, thinking that I

781
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: could do it, and kind of like you said, stubborn,

782
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: like no, I complete through this. I term ACL last

783
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: game regular season game, and I'm just like, man's it's over.

784
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: You're thirteen, and I'm looking back like, well, it's been real.

785
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: I had a great career and I was able to

786
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: look back on what I had accomplished. Now, how do

787
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: you feel about what you've accomplished? When you came here,

788
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: you had a lot of miles, you know, preseason, got

789
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: the got a concussion, right, So how do you feel

790
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: about the career you had, even though it wasn't as

791
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: long as you probably would have won.

792
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting, you know, I never I mean, do

793
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: I have a few accolades that I'm very proud of,

794
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: you know, like one of those accolades, so one of them,

795
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to college. I was the MVP

796
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: of our our team my senior year, and it was

797
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: just seeing the growth of University Cincinnati being part of

798
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: that and then getting to Baltimore where that was that

799
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly, Yeah, yeah, you guys, we were

800
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: the first we were the first ten year, ten win

801
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: team in fifty years, you know at the Universe Cinnat.

802
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: It's just something it was just process of building, you know,

803
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: being part of Baltimore Harborough's first draft class. They you know,

804
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: they had an all star team the year before Jonathan

805
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: Ogna retires. They think it's a rebuilding year. We go

806
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: to the AFC Championship Game our first year there. Like

807
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: always being part of like a building process and even

808
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: goes back to my time in high school. We had

809
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: my high school hadn't been to the state championship since

810
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty and in two thousand and four we made it.

811
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: It's just like I've always fortunately been part of processes

812
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: that are trying, and it does take high quality people.

813
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: It takes very unselfish people because unfortunately, the effort that

814
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: you're going to give in football, it's going to be

815
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: at the detriment of you more and more often than not,

816
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: and so when I look back, I mean I did

817
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: growing up in Allarrio, Ohio, nine hundred square foot apartment.

818
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I've freaking achieved everything you could possibly achieve.

819
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: I think the one thing I look back on, and

820
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: I've had this conversation quite a bit, I think the

821
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: one thing I kind of look back on and I

822
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: do regret was allowing I don't even know if allow it.

823
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: This is the way to put it. But when I

824
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: got hurt it, just like you said, I knew I

825
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: was done when I took that nee of the head.

826
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: And I spent four years of rehabbing after that, just

827
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: trying to get myself back together because it felt like

828
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: I couldn't put a sentence together. I still deal with headaches.

829
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, still deal with headache on a daily basis.

830
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: There was just all this stuff. My my anger was

831
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: towards myself in the sense like how could I let

832
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: myself get to this point? How could I allow myself

833
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: to do this? And there's you know, when you're done,

834
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: and this is gonna I guess we can go into

835
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: the next segment of you know, post career. The decompressing

836
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: period of after you're done is a lot there is

837
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: a lot to that because if you take I mean,

838
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: think about how long we've probably been playing for. Think

839
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: about how many hours of work that you put in

840
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: and things that you suppress. Right, there's a lot that

841
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: goes into being successful because what do you have to do.

842
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: Got to put pain aside, You got to put these

843
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: bad thoughts aside. You got at some point in time,

844
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: you know that stuff. You know, if you have the

845
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: time to sit and reflect and think about it, you're like, Holy,

846
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: how much has been excuse my language, but how much

847
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: has been buried here? And I think that's every single

848
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: football player. I think it's in their own different way.

849
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 1: And I don't try to compare myself to anybody else,

850
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: but I think that's something that I've learned in my

851
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: healing process of being retired and kind of kind of

852
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: trying to turn the corner with concussion stuff. Like it is,

853
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: everyone has their stuff that's suppressed. It is hard. It

854
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: is really really hard to play football. Tom Brady comes

855
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: to say, choose to play football because it's hard. It's

856
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: not easy. You have to earn everything, and not only

857
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: are you earning physically, you're earning it because you're trying

858
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: to gain respect from other men who are trying to

859
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: achieve the same thing. That level of respect is hard

860
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: to find. Right. Here's usually a guy on top, right,

861
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: especially in the corporate world, there's the guy on top,

862
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: and everybody else just does what the guy on top

863
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: does or tells them to do. But in this world,

864
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: really a head coach is at the mercy of the

865
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: team that commits to whatever his mission is, and that

866
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: right there, that commitment between the bond of the players

867
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: is so vital. And so you know, you are trying

868
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: to earn something that is is really difficult because respect,

869
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: it is earned. It is something that if you don't

870
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: do the right things, more than likely you're not going

871
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: to be part of.

872
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 5: That respect is always earned. Never get that's the best

873
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 5: thing about football. Now, post football, you've had.

874
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 4: Some really great investment stories and things of that nature,

875
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: and that's kind of what you've really kind of found

876
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 4: your way in. So tell me how you got into

877
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 4: it and kind of tell us a couple of things

878
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: that you have been successful in.

879
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: So I'll what I'll say is, I think, like most

880
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: of us, they started doing a lot better job of

881
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: educating guys before they're done playing. Preparation for after having

882
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: a good financial advisor, you know, potentially having not necessarily

883
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: a team of lawyers, but someone in law that can

884
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: guide you through stuff is post career, especially when things

885
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: that are unexpected happen, you know, going through you know,

886
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: whether it's understanding what you know insurance is for your

887
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: playing career, like if you have a career ending injury,

888
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, have having people plan, help you plan, or

889
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: teach you to plan or or maybe just do it

890
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: for you to just stuff that you don't understand. The

891
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: trust that it takes and the people that it takes

892
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: in order to allow yourself to transition out of the

893
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: NFL is really important. And I think if you know,

894
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 1: we've heard all these horror stories going the other way, right,

895
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: you get bad advisors who you know, still.

896
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: Feel bad from my fellow brethren that uh they don't

897
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: get the best advice well.

898
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: Ed read that's you know, forget forget football. Ed was

899
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: the reason I you know, Brad Schwartz at Legacy Capital,

900
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: who is a Branch of ameror Prize you know, Ed

901
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: introduced me to to Brad. It was my second year

902
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I've been with him for fifteen sixteen years, so.

903
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 5: Important to have that.

904
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: Oh man, havn't having the right CPA. I had the

905
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: same CPA for you know, uh Fred Keith keeping associates

906
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: out in Kentucky and Cincinnati had him for you know,

907
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: eleven years. You know, once you once you're part of

908
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: that stuff and you find the right people, it makes

909
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 1: transition you're in. For what I went through after after

910
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: I was done, it allowed me to truly just focus

911
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: on my health and that was something I really needed

912
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: to do. And so you know, fortunately I have a

913
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: brother who graduated from Warrant School Business at the University

914
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania, so I didn't have to go back to

915
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: get my MBA. Unfortunately, I had a guy who was

916
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: a phone call away and you know, connected and tied

917
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: end and you know, just being part of some of

918
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: the stuff that he's been a part of and he's

919
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: included me. And then you know, meeting other people who explain,

920
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, what risk is versus saying, hey, this is

921
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: a good idea. You know, it's just what's risk and

922
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: what risks are you willing to take? So you know,

923
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: I haven't you know, because of certain things, I haven't

924
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: been able to work the nine to five and to

925
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: be honest with their days where I don't have the

926
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: mental capacity to even think about it. But when you

927
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: have a team around you that is always looking for

928
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: the best interest, yeah, it is. It is so vital

929
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: and important. So that's I give a lot of a

930
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: lot of where I'm at today to the people that

931
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: I had built relationships before I even was even done.

932
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 5: So who are who are some of those people? Who

933
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 5: are some of those people on your team?

934
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? So Brad, like I said, Brad Schwartz, they're based

935
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: out of Baltimore. Originally they it was Amor Prize branch.

936
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: He still does the advising through amer Prize, but it's

937
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: not Legacy Capital. You know, John Lorenz going through the

938
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 1: disability process, you know, post NFL that is not easy.

939
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: It is it is, you know, and I get it. Like,

940
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, looking back, I think when you're you're struggling

941
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: and you're just trying to figure things out, like You're like,

942
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: if I'm ever going to get better, if I'm ever

943
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: gonna you know, are these things going to go away?

944
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: Having someone who understands how to take care of certain

945
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: things that you don't think about, you can just focus

946
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: on yourself. That's really important. You know, there's countless, countless

947
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: doctors that I've been through, but you know that's just

948
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: just just a handful guys.

949
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 4: I want to know what venture right now has Harookie

950
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: Knockamora excited, Like what gives you? Because you talked about

951
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 4: the struggles with health, you know, the mentical pass I

952
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: can't just do a nine to five, but something get

953
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 4: you up and going.

954
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 5: Every day, and I know it's your mom. Yeah, there's

955
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 5: this venture right now being a dad.

956
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: I think you already knew I was gonna go there.

957
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, because because you know, I'm gonna shoot,

958
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get emotional bodies. But you know, so

959
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: as much as I say I was not affected by

960
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: not having a dad, right, I was guided by a

961
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: single parent mother. You know, I look at my kids today,

962
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: and you know there was there's a few times, especially

963
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: when I was done because again when I say I

964
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: was in a really bad place, it was really bad place.

965
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: But there are so many times where I look at

966
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: my kids and I couldn't imagine my kids growing up

967
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: without a dad.

968
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

969
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like now looking at because I

970
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: know what that felt like. I know what that and

971
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: I always say that I had some of the best

972
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: male role models that a kid could ever have in

973
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: a lifetime, and it's I mean countless and countless, but

974
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: having that bond as a father with a daughter. I

975
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: have a fifteen year old daughter, Keena Rose, right, I

976
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: have a twelve year old son, Hayden Robert, and then

977
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: I've got you know, I got eight month old and

978
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: her name is Hayven, and I got a beautiful wife.

979
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's just the understanding the presence, like the

980
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: importance of that presence not just for them, but for

981
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: yourself to be part of something really, really, really good,

982
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, because I mean there's a post career we

983
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: could all be lost. I mean, it's very easy for

984
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: us to get lost. Again. We talked about it before

985
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: too many places in the world. It's like an NFL

986
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: locker room, right, nothing like it. You can search as

987
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: much as you want, won't find it. So having that

988
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: community that's within your house special and so, you know,

989
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: getting up every single day, my motivation is my kids

990
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: and my wife. I mean, it's it's it is. I'm

991
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: so fortunate to kind of go through the things that

992
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: I've gone through and be where I'm at today. I

993
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: don't take it for granted any way, shape or for him.

994
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: I've got also got a crew here of best friends

995
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, from from college that actually live here in town.

996
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: Is just you know, be able to shoot a little yeah,

997
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 1: a little bit, talk about some stupid stuff he did.

998
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: You know, It's just it's a special thing because I mean,

999
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: we're yes, we're men. We got to be stoic, We

1000
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: got to be brave and proud, courageous for your family, man,

1001
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 1: we gotta let our hair down a little bit too,

1002
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta we gotta let the feelings out.

1003
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: We gotta and so having that and then like we

1004
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: talked about before, you know, Charlotte has this huge collection

1005
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: of retired professional football players. It is I mean, it's

1006
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: there's tons and tons of guys here. But then you

1007
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: also start realizing, like this is a NASCAR country. There's

1008
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: there's there's tons there, Charlotte. Yeah, and and so you know,

1009
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: it's you start having you start reaching out and branching

1010
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: out a little bit, and you start realizing again one

1011
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: person away from meeting some spectacular human being that has

1012
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: their own story, of their own path and something that's

1013
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: a little different. You know, it's it's yeah, it's my

1014
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: My kids have brought me into different relationships now because

1015
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: that's who usually meet a lot of people. Through where

1016
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: it's been, it's been special. So but yeah, my kids

1017
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: are special, my family special. You know, my entire family special.

1018
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: Uh you know we are. We're all successful on our

1019
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: own right and you know, and I think I think

1020
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: that family bond's got to come back. I think there's

1021
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of kids in America right

1022
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: now who don't have that experience. And maybe part of

1023
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: it is because two parents have to work all the

1024
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: time and you don't have that. But you know, at

1025
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's it's if you're not

1026
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: doing things for your family, you're really I mean, it

1027
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: can be it can be a very empty life.

1028
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: So keeping that that same thing going about family, and

1029
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: you talked about having tons of uh great male role

1030
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: models and people helping you along your way in your

1031
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 2: journey of life. Mount Rushmore. Who would be on your

1032
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 2: personal Mount Rushmore?

1033
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 5: You get four.

1034
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: Man, anybody Mom's Mom's number one, Mom's number one. She's

1035
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: gonna be in the middle of the entire thing. I

1036
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: gotta say, Greg Irbis, who is so he is. He's

1037
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: in Ohio High School Hall of Fame, UH for wrestling.

1038
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: He's one of the most decorated wrestling coaches high school

1039
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: wrestling coaches in the entire country. And you know, I

1040
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: almost quit football after my sophomore year because I'm a

1041
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: third string varsity quarterback. I got two guys in front

1042
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: of me that are really good and at the time,

1043
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm just a quarterback. I can't play in

1044
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: front of these guys. And as you know, you're just

1045
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: a dumb kid who doesn't know the other opportunities. So

1046
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: I actually I decided to quit and I was going

1047
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: to focus on baseball and football or I'm wrestling, And

1048
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: especially with my brother, I was like, my brother did this,

1049
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm worthleic him. I'm you know, I'm whatever, right, and

1050
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, he he and he's done this for tons

1051
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: and tons of guys that have come through that high school.

1052
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: But he made a personal impact on me where you know,

1053
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: he came and visited me at my brother's at now

1054
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: in laws. But by the time girlfriend's house and sat

1055
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: me down. He goes, hey, I heard you quit football.

1056
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I can't. I'm like, coach, I got

1057
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: I gotta find a way to go to school for free.

1058
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: I'm not an academic. I'm not an academic, sound person,

1059
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: not stupid, just not driven by by school. And I

1060
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I got it. My mom can't

1061
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: afford me to go to school. So he slaps me

1062
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: kind of upside the head and goes, First of all,

1063
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: he was like, I drove you to a baseball game.

1064
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: Watch the drop pop fly. You're not playing baseball, right,

1065
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: he goes, You're as athletically gifted as a wrestler that's

1066
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: ever come through Santwhere in high school. He goes, you

1067
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: hate it, he goes, you don't even like no, right,

1068
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Speaker 1: he goes. He goes, but I've never seen anybody play

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00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: football the way you play football. And he goes, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I play quarterback. He goes, exactly, I've never seen anybody

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00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: play quarterback the way you play quarterback. He goes, did

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Speaker 1: you have a conversation with the coaches? I go nope.

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00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: So I always say, you didn't realize they're switching you

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Speaker 1: to wide receiver. You didn't realize. I'm like, oh really, so,

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Speaker 1: coach Irvis is the reason why I continue to play football.

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00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: And you know, re established that, so that he's up there.

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Speaker 1: So my mom coach Irvis. Next one is Kry Combs.

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Speaker 1: I think Carry Combs. He's currently the quarterbacks coach at

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00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: the Universe Cincinnati and special team's coordinator there. He comes in, Uh,

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00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: you know, Mark Antonio and staff go to Michigan State.

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00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: So you know during that time, you're like, I committed

1082
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: to you, they leave. It's it's it's a it's a

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00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: heartbreaking thing.

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Speaker 5: What You're still stuck there?

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00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, still stuck there? Right. So then you know, Brian

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00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: Kelly comes in and that dude, man, he brought an

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00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: energy that I never would have expected. Was well, I

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00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: would say, D'Antonio taught us to be barbaric, and Brian

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Speaker 1: Kelly taught you how to win. And so he hires.

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Speaker 1: So I go from paton Ardus and my defensive coordinator

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00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: and coach D'Antonio really was my position coach, and then

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00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: Harlan Barnett also the position coach. I go from that

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00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: this extreme knowledge wealth to Carry Combs and the reason

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Speaker 1: I put Kerry Combs up there, he was the first

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00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: person in my entire life that told me. It made

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00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: me understood be who you are, because who you are

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00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: is good enough. And he says that, Hey, he says

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00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: that saying all the time. It's such a special saying

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00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: because when you're my size and stature, you're beating yourself

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00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: up a little bit, like I am, I can't I

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Speaker 1: do this. And he was the first time, at first

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Speaker 1: time my entire career, my entire life up to that point,

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00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: my senior year in college, where I heard someone say

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00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: be who you are, who you are is good enough,

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00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: and that is it was. It was so impactful, so powerful,

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00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: because there's nothing more important in life than having some

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00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: self belief because right, no one else.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 4: I tell my kids all the time, the most important

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00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 4: conversation is the one you have for yourself always and

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00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 4: hopefully not out loud in front of everybody.

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Speaker 1: But always up there. Yeah, you know, yeah, and you

1113
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Speaker 1: know the last one, I'm going to put the Knockmore

1114
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: name up there. And I know that's a group of people,

1115
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: but you know, being a Knockomore is so special. Yeah,

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00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: And so I know that's like I said, it's a

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00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: collection of people, but I will put my last name

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00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: up there. And the reason I believe is that entire

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00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: fam family dynamic. We struggled through so much but collectively

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00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: we all found our own path, we all found our judo, right,

1121
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: we always talked about we all found our own individual

1122
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: judo and so you know that's that's my Mount Rushmore

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00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: a little little different than most people.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 3: I like that though.

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Speaker 2: We've never had anyone say because we've we've asked that

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00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: question a couple of times and people it's just you know, mom, dad, cousin, sister, brother,

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Speaker 2: one person individually, but no one has ever put the

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Speaker 2: family name.

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Speaker 5: I love that. I just wrote that we all found

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00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 5: our own juda, their own judo.

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Speaker 3: I like that that you put the whole names, Like, yeah,

1133
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 3: that's that's something I.

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Speaker 5: Want my kids to want to say.

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00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, the family name, kid, don't I'll say this. I

1136
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Speaker 1: don't think my kids get that.

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Speaker 3: I know my kids, but it's I hope they say it.

1138
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 5: But I know the problem.

1139
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, real.

1140
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on man, thank you for having

1141
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: a lot about you and then coming on here and

1142
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 2: you talk and bless us with just some of the

1143
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: judo stories and everything, Like.

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00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, And that's the main reason I

1145
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: want to get out here, because like I said, it's

1146
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: it's a special story. It is it is a story

1147
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: that should be told. It's a great story, and I

1148
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: think more than anything, it represents my family, you know,

1149
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: and the dynamic of of coming through a tough situation.

1150
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: And you know, we've we've been very fortunate.

1151
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Speaker 3: I think your propas will be proud. Yeah, but it's

1152
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Speaker 3: a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of love out here for all the Mama's boys out here.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. Shout out to all the

1156
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 5: Mama's boys out here.

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Speaker 1: That's right?

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Speaker 3: Is that why I see teardrop?

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Speaker 3: this doing this?

1166
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,040
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