1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Messer and 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Tim Stenebek on Bloomberg Radio. Hey, Carol, you remember y 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: two k right, really really good? You were actually working 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: here at Bloomberg. 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I had just started. And one of 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: the things that we were thinking about big time was 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 2: what happens when we go from nineteen ninety nine to 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 2: two thousand and apparently that can be somewhat difficult, sophisticated, 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: complicated when it comes to technology and computing devices, Like 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: what does that mean? 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 3: Right? 12 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: You go from a year that you specified right with 13 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: two digits to office and you really needed all four? 14 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: Yes? 15 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: Can I just tell you that we were all of 16 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: us in the news team. We went home, We were 17 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: given walkie talkies and everything because we thought in case 18 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: the phones don't work, and we had to be ready 19 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: for when in I guess Asia, or whenever it struck 20 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: two thousand around the globe first for like the world 21 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: to come undone, and I got to sell Unlike I remember, 22 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: like we're waiting, we're waiting, nothing. 23 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: Happened, Nothing happened. Well, in new HBO documentary takes us 24 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: back to that time. It's called time Bomb y two 25 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: K HY two K, what doesn't mean using two digits 26 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: rather than four made good economic sense. 27 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 4: But when workers advanced clocks to the year two thousand, 28 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 4: the world can melt down. 29 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: Our systems are broken, and we've got a problem with 30 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: a couple of digits. 31 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 4: This has to be solved. 32 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: All right. That was a clip just from time Bomb 33 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: y two K, new documentary on HBO, taking us back 34 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: to the years ahead of Y two K and all 35 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: the chaos and prepping and fears about power grids failing, 36 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: nuclear arsenals being at risks, planes falling out of the sky. 37 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: People were very worried. Carol Well, Brian Becker and Marley 38 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: MacDonald are the documentary filmmakers and producers behind time Bomb 39 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: y two K. They join us on Zoom from New York. 40 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: Good to have you both with us this afternoon. Brian, 41 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: I want to start with you, why make a documentary 42 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: about Y two K twenty four years later? 43 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 4: So when Marlee and I first thought of this idea 44 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 4: and started looking into it, it was the summer of 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 4: twenty twenty and the first images you see when you 46 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 4: google back YTK are shots of empty grocery store shelves 47 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 4: and people checking out palettes of water and toilet paper 48 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 4: at the supermarket and people in line at the gun store, 49 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 4: and those images felt awfully familiar to us, as given 50 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 4: the reality we were living through in the depths of 51 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 4: the pandemic. We knew there was a countdown, We knew 52 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 4: from our research that there was extensive footage and media 53 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 4: coverage of the event, and kind of living in that 54 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 4: moment of the pandemic made us realize that it wasn't 55 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 4: just a countdown, It wasn't just something that we lived 56 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 4: through and then had mostly forgotten about. It also had 57 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 4: we thought lessons for our present moment. 58 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: Well, I gotta say, Marley, I just remember doing interviews, 59 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 2: you know, leading up to it. In every conversation, certainly 60 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: if it was even just a general market and interview, 61 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: it was like, okay, so how are you guys planning 62 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: for Y two K? And concerns that you know, if 63 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: things come undone and you know, we can't track investments 64 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: or market stone, you know, work properly. Having said that, 65 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: when you and Brian went to pitch this where people like, wait, wait, 66 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: what was Y two K? Because it's a long time ago. 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: Definitely, Well, everyone who lived through it remembers it, which 68 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: definitely works in our favor when pitching this around and 69 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: was a really special part of making this project. When 70 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: you tell someone you're working on a movie about why 71 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: do You Kate, everyone has to tell you what they 72 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: were doing New Year's Eve nineteen ninety nine, But. 73 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: I just tell you one of my producers I think 74 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: was in kindergarten, so that kind of like at home. Anyway, continue, please, Yeah, 75 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: Brian and. 76 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: I became historians of what everyone was doing on New 77 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: Year's Eve nineteen ninety nine. But when we first started 78 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 3: looking into the project, you know, the first question that 79 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: comes up is was this a joke or was this real? 80 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 3: And you know a lot of people remember why two 81 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: K as a hoax? And it took us months of 82 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: research to come to the conclusion that it was a 83 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: very real problem that was solved. And we did that 84 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,559 Speaker 3: by talking to a lot of computer programmers and talking 85 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 3: to a lot of people who actually worked on the issue, 86 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 3: and so we knew we could kind of reclaim this 87 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: narrative in this movie and shine a light on all 88 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 3: the work and labor that went into actually fixing this 89 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 3: very real problem. 90 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: Mart Marley, can you talk about the style here. I enjoyed. 91 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: I enjoyed the film, but I was surprised to see 92 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: the way that the documentary was structured in the sense 93 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: that there's no narrator, and it's nobody looking back or 94 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: remembering or or there are no recollections. It's purely based 95 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: on archival footage on videos that were sold at the time, 96 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: news reports, home videos talk a little bit about building 97 00:04:58,520 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: it in that sense. 98 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, So we knew we wanted to do it all 99 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 3: archival from the jump, because one, there was just enough footage. 100 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 3: There was a lot of footage, and when we first 101 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: started working with the material, we realized that, you know, 102 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 3: everything was sort of there, and that if we kept 103 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: it in the world of all archival, we could really 104 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: kind of make this countdown feel more present, tense, feel 105 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: like a time capsule of that actual moment. And Brian 106 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: is an archival producer and found, you know, along with 107 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 3: our team all of that footage. We ended up with 108 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: over seven hundred hours of footage, and as far as 109 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: the structure of the film goes, we knew that we 110 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 3: wanted to sort of replicate the way that Y two 111 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: K worked in the world. So starting with the technical problem, 112 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: watching it sort of radiate out of cubicles and into 113 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 3: the social consciousness and then follow that to sort of 114 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 3: the fringes of America. And we knew we had to 115 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: get to midnight at. 116 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 2: Some point as you went through the footage and you 117 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: guys were gathering at Brian, I mean, what was it 118 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: that kind of jumped out? Was there certain things that like, 119 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 2: oh my god, Like it was just kind of interesting 120 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: because there was real nervousness about how does my play out? 121 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's a certain attraction always to footage 122 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 4: that is kind of unbelievable to watch in the present, 123 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 4: whether it be you know, a tape made by a 124 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: militia titled why to K Why Should I Care? I 125 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 4: don't even on a computer. But I think what we 126 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 4: really started looking for most specifically in the footage were 127 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 4: moments that could clearly tether us from present to past. 128 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 4: Because we didn't include interviews with individuals in the present day. 129 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 4: We were looking for kind of moments of emotion or 130 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 4: introspection or relevance between them and now. But of course, 131 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 4: you know, when Matt Damon is recorded speaking about the 132 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 4: nuclear arsenal and his fear of the nuclear arsenal, potentially 133 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 4: shutting down. You kind of have to also include things 134 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 4: like that in your movie. 135 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: A very young Matt Damon promoting at the time the 136 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: talented mister Ripley. I should note, Hey, Brian, did you 137 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: hear Have you heard from any of these folks who 138 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: were featured. 139 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: In this Yes? 140 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 4: Thanks for asking that we actually have relationships with all 141 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 4: of the individuals who we built scenes around in this film. 142 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: It didn't feel fair for us to include their historic 143 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 4: likenesses in our feature without talking to them first to 144 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 4: gauge what y TK meant to them. So, for example, 145 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: Peter Diager, who is one of the first individuals who 146 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 4: kind of brought y t K to the public's attention, 147 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 4: I spent two days in his basement with him outside 148 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 4: of Toronto. He just published a new book focused on 149 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 4: computer management, and we just appeared on Peter's podcast about why, 150 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 4: which I can plug here. Candace Turner, who in the 151 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 4: film calls herself farmer Jane. I emailed with Candace this 152 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 4: morning and I went to her farm in Sarcoxi, Missouri. 153 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 4: She moved there and she lived there in events in 154 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 4: the lead up to YTK, and she still lives on 155 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 4: that very same farm. I went to her mud room 156 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 4: and came back to New York with some VHS tapes 157 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: of hers toscin ins in d C. So we do 158 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 4: have relationships with these people. 159 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: I want to get back to Brian Becker and Marley McDonald. 160 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: They are the documentary filmmakers and producers behind the new 161 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: HBO documentary Time Bomb y two K. They join us 162 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: on Zoom from New York. 163 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting, Brian and Marley that it's been 164 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: a week where Tim and I have been talking a 165 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: lot about the risks in twenty twenty four. We certainly 166 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: did at the end of last year and into the 167 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: new year, but this week, you know, some of the 168 00:08:55,640 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 2: concerns were big time. The November elections and basically the 169 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: US against itself geopolitics certainly came up, and it made 170 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: Tim and I think about how your documentary kind of 171 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: ends up. We're essentially just before midnight in the US 172 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: December thirty first, nineteen ninety nine. You have Boris Yeltsin, right, 173 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: conceding power to Vladimir Putin, who would take over to 174 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 2: lead what was then what the Soviet Union, right. 175 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: It was just Russia. Yeah, and there's this ominous sort 176 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: of moment from the newscaster that says, you know, Putin 177 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: wants this to be a strong Russia, but has no 178 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: ambitions beyond like for expansion and to get bigger. 179 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: Here we are twenty four years later, and we know 180 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: that that's very different. But I do wonder how you 181 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: guys are thinking about having gone through this process, about 182 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 2: some of the risks and the concerns that are out 183 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: there today, and coming off a global pandemic that really 184 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: made us all realize whoa our life can change dramatically, 185 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: and our life vibes are at risk. 186 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's an interesting thing. So our movie 187 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: actually premiered at a festival last March, and during the 188 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: Q and a's at that time, a lot of the 189 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: questions were relating our film to COVID. Then sometime over 190 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: the summer, the question started to become about the threat 191 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 3: of AI. And so it's interesting to kind of see 192 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: how this movie moves through the world as it continues, 193 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 3: you know, going through different existential threats. And that's I 194 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: think what we wanted to do with this film is 195 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 3: really examined the ways in which America faces existential threats 196 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: and kind of the focus on how interconnected and dependent 197 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 3: we are on each other and really highlighting that aspect 198 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 3: of getting through things like Y two K or COVID. 199 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: Every time I think that we collectively go through an 200 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: experience that will somehow bring us closer together as citizens, 201 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: I turn out to be wrong. I felt this way 202 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: to in COVID. That's sort of like everybody was in 203 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: this together and it would be in this uniting force. 204 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: And I look at the landscape right now, Brian, and 205 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: I think that we've never been more divided ever than 206 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: we have been right now. 207 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I feel the same too, Tim. Why 208 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 4: two K almost feels like this dry run in which 209 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: we actually did succeed in solving a problem and then, 210 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 4: of course, in very American fashion, quickly dismissed it as 211 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 4: a joke or as a hoax after we went through it. 212 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 4: It almost feels as if we worked on it so 213 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 4: well and solved it to an extent that we would 214 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 4: have learned more if more things went wrong after the 215 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 4: clock struck midnight on New Year's Eve nineteen ninety nine. Instead, 216 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 4: we kind of missed this opportunity to think so much 217 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 4: about how our lives had come to depend upon technology 218 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 4: and also on each other tune. 219 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of interesting on a day where 220 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,479 Speaker 2: safe to say, we all got fooled about the approval 221 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: by the SEC of a spot bigcoin etf where a 222 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: headline crossed on Twitter from the official SEC account, and 223 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: then ten minutes later the chair of the SEC comes 224 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: out and said, Nope, that's not correct. They have not 225 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: received approval and that the SEC Twitter account was compromised. 226 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: You just realize how quickly and how vulnerable we are 227 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: and reliant on technology, and how things can be misconstrued 228 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: got wrong, and you just, I don't know, when you 229 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: start to extrapolate that, you just wonder kind of tim 230 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: where we could go with this. 231 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also, you know, it was so interesting to 232 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: see that the way technology is shifted, and you know, 233 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: it's been a quarter century roughly since since this time period, 234 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: but the technology shifts that we've seen have been absolutely massive. 235 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 236 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: Reliance, Yeah, reliance is and it's and there's this picture 237 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: there was a picture painted Barley in the nineteen nineties 238 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: about the optimism about technology. And I'm wondering if you 239 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: think that the optimism that these folks in the nineties 240 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: talked about and alluded to about school children being able 241 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: to access information at any time, has actually manifested in 242 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: something that looks optimistic or looks you know, scary. I mean, 243 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: there's there's talk about parents being concerned about TikTok, mental 244 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: health and social media, government controlled this stuff. I mean, 245 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts there? 246 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 3: Certainly, I'm very concerned with the state of our relationship 247 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 3: to technology, and I think that was something that we 248 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 3: really wanted to sort of capture that techno optimism of 249 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 3: the nineties in our film. You know, this was the 250 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: first time that people were really welcoming computers into their lives. 251 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 3: You know, it was at their office or in their 252 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: home for the first time. But I think what YGK 253 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 3: revealed is just how dependent we actually already were on 254 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: computer systems that we weren't seeing, you know, to get 255 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 3: on the train or how we get the news in 256 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 3: the morning. Like everything had our already been kind of 257 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: operated by these giant systems, but we hadn't come face 258 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 3: to face with that. So I think y g Q 259 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: was an interesting moment for kind of deconstructing our reliance 260 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: on technology. But yeah, as far as where we've come today, 261 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 3: you know, we've only gone deeper in that hole, Mike. 262 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: Brian says, it could have been a moment where we 263 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: had pivoted and maybe taken a different route. But because 264 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: we did get in front of the problem and solve it, 265 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: we've just gone further and further down this road. And 266 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: if something like this were to happen today, you know 267 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: the same questions would arise. 268 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: Hey, we only have about thirty seconds left, Brian, but 269 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: I want to give you the last word. What's the 270 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: next thing you guys are working on. 271 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 4: I'm working on a film about the rise and fall 272 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 4: of the American enclosed shopping mall, and Marle opensity to describe. 273 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: What you're working out I'm working on. I'm developing a 274 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: film based on the archives at the Museum of Natural 275 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: History and the origins of natural history museums. Very cool. 276 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: Big thank you to both of you for joining us. 277 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: Everybody check out the new film. It's on HBO. It 278 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: is all about y two K. It's called time Bomb 279 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: y two K. A big thank you to our guests 280 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: Brian Becker and Marley McDonald, the documentary filmmakers and producers 281 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: behind Time Bomb.