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Speaker 1: Good morning, Sweld and welcome to the No Dunks podcast

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Speaker 1: on the Athletic Network. It's Wednesday, September fourteenth. I'm jay

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Speaker 1: E Skeets, back here in the Classic Factory and alongside

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Speaker 1: me as always, the dancing machine at the wedding task.

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Speaker 2: Melice, you bet you good to see against Skeets.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Tassy. We got the international man of mystery

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Speaker 1: taking it to the max Rock in the janob Lee Jersey,

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Speaker 1: Lee Ellis, Amios, amigos, and over yonder making the magic

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Speaker 1: happen here in the midst of a construction zone. Super

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Speaker 1: producer JD. Hello, there he is here.

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Speaker 3: We are always improving Skeets always.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say, I pulled up Lee can attest to this?

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Speaker 1: I said, look at this, look at this house, Look

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Speaker 1: at these windows, Look at this. Uh. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what you call that detailing there, Gordon Batton, I

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Speaker 1: believe that it looks great. Thanks, But they're still working

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Speaker 1: out there.

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Speaker 3: They're still working, but they're on the other side of

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Speaker 3: the house today, so it's not gonna be as loud

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Speaker 3: as yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no buds, pretty bad. No bunds. Was I

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Speaker 1: saw someone say it was like an Astros game. There

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Speaker 1: was a lot of bag Yeah.

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Speaker 2: A lot of fans out there for the phillage.

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Speaker 4: You need a roof gitle or you know what.

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Speaker 3: You can keep your roof guy because yeah, you're always

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Speaker 3: up there. I don't need a roof guy coming every

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Speaker 3: three months.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, I often often, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: These guys look legit, like the.

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 3: It's just such a joy when they show up. It's

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Speaker 3: they just showed up. They show up like early.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they take a lot of pride, a lot

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Speaker 3: of pride in their work.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: That's great. It is looking good. I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: see the finished product. They're getting some good weather here

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta to work.

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Speaker 3: That's why it's happening this week. It was supposed to

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Speaker 3: happen last week.

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Speaker 1: The rain gotcha well. Shouted up to the stream team

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Speaker 1: for joining us live right now on YouTube. We appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Let's get those numbers pumping before the start of the season.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm talking subscriptions, likes, all that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: We're working on it. Yeah, we're working.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're dropping. I feel like we're dropping ten shorts

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Speaker 1: of days. Suddenly, my man TK is doing all this work.

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Speaker 1: And then JD of course, So let's help those guys out.

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Speaker 1: Let's get those likes and subscriptions. Going email in your

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Speaker 1: NBA questions to no Dunks at the Athletic dot com

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Speaker 1: if you've got good cues basketball related or not. Also

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Speaker 1: encourage you to check out all the content we've already

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Speaker 1: produced here. It's only hump day, but feel like we

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Speaker 1: got a couple shows up Monday's. Is this good podcast

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Speaker 1: with Mattio asking the hard hitting questions we debated, Eating

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Speaker 1: food off of someone else's plate lee quick reactions.

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Speaker 2: Good or not?

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Speaker 4: Well, it depends quick reactions lately. Context. If it's your kids, yes,

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Speaker 4: if it's an adult, probably not okay.

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Speaker 1: Picking up friends and family from the.

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Speaker 4: Airport, absolutely yeah, I need be team love that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And listening to podcasts at two X speed.

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Speaker 4: Uh no, do you even listen to podcast don't? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You know, incredible podcasting for a decade.

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Speaker 4: I'm a serious XM man. I'm a serious XM man.

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Speaker 4: You know, so I like my my nineties on nine.

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Speaker 4: I like my Nation, I like Spider Harrison English Neck

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Speaker 4: on the River. I had to get rid of the River.

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Speaker 4: I'm fraid now because I'm paying for serious. So, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you got to mix it up. There's some great, great

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Speaker 4: stations out there.

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Speaker 1: But you don't listen to any podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Man, I need a break from a podcast.

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Speaker 1: You know there's other podcasts.

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Speaker 4: You listen to any of them? Like? Wow?

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Speaker 1: Alright, so I guess what are you?

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Speaker 2: I guess you're a good podcast.

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Speaker 1: You're just our podcast?

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Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 4: No, ellis at least I have listened to podcasts. In fact,

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Speaker 4: there was a massive case I think you know about

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Speaker 1: Lenora has listened to it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well she may have seen. I'm sure she has.

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Speaker 4: He was just convicted of the crime forty years later

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Speaker 4: thanks to a podcast.

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Speaker 1: So you know of this spoke.

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Speaker 4: I know I listened to that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, No, Instead you're calling in to the radio stations.

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Speaker 1: I'm serious with your top five You two songs.

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Speaker 4: I tried to get on the nineties on nine, but

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Speaker 4: no response yet, so I'm emailing them again.

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Speaker 1: It's ironic. You have to help the people that work

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's downtown Julie Brown. I mean, you know

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Speaker 4: she she must be listening to our show.

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Speaker 1: That's who it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know she's on nineties man.

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Speaker 1: That's the like the.

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Speaker 4: Gee yeah yeah, see been in the game for years.

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Speaker 4: She has still got it too.

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Speaker 2: About the sugar regas on.

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Speaker 4: There, Yeah, yeah, what's his name, Mark, that's right? Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And Lisa lo what he means on there?

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Speaker 1: The hosts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they host her own show. Yeah, Lisa Lobe does one.

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Speaker 1: But talk radio or the.

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Speaker 2: We Back Bag. Oh.

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Speaker 1: Casey yeah, Casey.

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Speaker 2: On the seventies. He's alive. He does have his tapes.

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Speaker 1: They have to stage just playing.

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Speaker 5: well for the he did for the American Top forty Roads.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, it's just the seventies on sevens. It's three

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Speaker 5: because I won't go I wouldn't go down.

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Speaker 4: It is because when you're driving around with kids and

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Speaker 3: And the only place you can get that is serious.

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Speaker 1: Exit even to be confused Shaggy and Sting.

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Speaker 4: You know, they had a shout out to the Australian

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Speaker 4: oh my god, right.

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Speaker 1: You think people will be doing that in one hundred

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Speaker 4: Maybe why not? Do I live forever?

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Speaker 1: That's true, I do. I know there's some diehard TVJ

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Speaker 1: Blank episodes or something Redda I think, yeah, redd In

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just a Delilah guy. She's still doing her thing.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like forty or fifty years who what you

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Speaker 2: don't know who Delilah is? Taking advice from Deliah? Delilah No,

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Speaker 1: Ears like she's like like an Ann Landers type and Landers.

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Speaker 2: No, she's Delilah. She's a one named radio personality. You

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Speaker 2: don't compare Delilah to anybody over forty years though. Here Yeah, Simon, no, no,

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Speaker 2: she is. You don't know where she is. She's simulcast

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Speaker 3: Where do you listen to Delilah?

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Speaker 2: Nowhere? That way way, the finder everywhere? Because you guys

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Speaker 2: are rocking Casey case everybody podcast who radio DJs.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. Other shows Tests, like we said,

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Speaker 1: had the No Buns episode yesterday did a deep dive

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Speaker 1: why you're a fan of all these new rules?

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Speaker 2: Love rules, I love rules and saws and hammers. We

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Speaker 2: were we were just fighting through a lot of constructions.

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Speaker 2: But the new rules are good in baseball, Okay, genuinely good,

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Speaker 2: even though some are mad. Don't change my game. I'm

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Speaker 4: Any changes in any sport, I.

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Speaker 2: Get over it. Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's good for the game.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: Well check out No Buns to here. Why Test really

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Speaker 1: thinks that for these pitch clocks and bandon of the

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Speaker 1: shifts and yeah, the larger bases all that. Also yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Train Graydon had a new f one podcast over on

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Speaker 1: No Breaks that has its own separate YouTube feed podcast feed,

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Speaker 1: so if you're a fan of the Room Brooms, check

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Speaker 1: out that. And finally, next week, Survivor forty three premieres

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, September twenty first, which means No Buffs. Our

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Speaker 1: Survivor recap pod returns the following day on Thursday, September

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Speaker 1: twenty second. We will be discussing every twist and blindside

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Speaker 1: and vote and awkward dump that happens out there on

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Speaker 1: which also has its own YouTube feed and Apple feed

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Speaker 1: I know you're all in. I heard you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to be in on Survivor forty three?

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Speaker 4: I've done my SVI don't have to listen to the podcast.

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Speaker 4: But I really enjoyed the Survivor in the shutdown season time,

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Speaker 4: everything else. I'm a soccer coach this year.

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Speaker 2: Oh nice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll be doing hopefully some other stuff basketball wise,

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Speaker 4: so cond squeeze another.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what you're going to be doing

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Speaker 1: fire up. We'll have a lot more details on this

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Speaker 1: in the coming weeks. We're going to be doing a

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Speaker 1: survivor fantasy. So you got to pick your team, right,

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Speaker 1: you could, you know your your contestants, and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of like a lot of other fun things you

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, the best part of any or any fantasy

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Speaker 4: is coming up with your team name, so that'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's start thinking about it.

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Speaker 3: Can we add aqua dumps to the pool, Like, oh.

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Speaker 1: If somebody takes an aquadump on camera, yeah, you get

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Speaker 1: like ten points or something. Yeah, yeah, Well, I'll make

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Speaker 1: an email to Chris, our guy there. Again, we'll have

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Speaker 1: more info on this over on No Buffs. You won't

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Speaker 2: So that part of the part school of JD's bringing

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Speaker 2: up the random things we can add as bonus points,

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Speaker 2: like whatever the term is for somebody climbing up in

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Speaker 1: Know, spy spy shack or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we could do we can get very creative. You're right,

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Speaker 1: cool ideas like we already have, like yeah, somebody cries

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Speaker 1: on on camera, you know, get some points there. People

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Speaker 1: listening to the podcast or watching here live. Let's get

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Speaker 1: to the actual topic here. This could take some time

437
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Speaker 1: because we got a lot of names to tackle here, because,

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Speaker 1: as I said, over the weekend, we saw a bunch

439
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Speaker 1: of players go into the Nie Smith Memorial Basketball Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. It was their sixty third class. He had

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Speaker 1: sixteen in Chinese, including two NBA players, Tim Hardway and

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Speaker 1: Manager Noble. Did you guys watch any of I usually

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Speaker 1: I don't watch it live, but I have to go

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Speaker 1: watch their you know, their acceptance speeches or whatever you

445
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Speaker 1: want to call it.

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Speaker 4: It was great, pretty noisy in there with Mono. We

447
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Speaker 4: had the Argentinians true support. Yeah, that was great. That

448
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 4: was screaming and hollering out there, but it was great.

449
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Speaker 4: I just loved his speech. I mean he talked about

450
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Speaker 4: how he basically didn't even expect to make the NBA.

451
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Speaker 4: You got a call and he thought it was a joke.

452
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Speaker 4: And then he's playing for the San Antonio Spurs and

453
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Speaker 4: he wins all those championships, and Monos obviously had success

454
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Speaker 4: with Argentina as well, which was very, very meaningful to him.

455
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Speaker 4: He won the Olympic gold medal there in two thousand

456
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Speaker 4: and four in Athens, and I mean it's just great

457
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Speaker 4: to see. I really really Mano's top four for me

458
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Speaker 4: all time. So four wow, and that's top five, rare,

459
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Speaker 4: top four.

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Speaker 2: The Rushmore.

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Speaker 4: You could have said, Rushmo, Yeah he is. He's on

462
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Speaker 4: my rush More. He's on my rush More. So I

463
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Speaker 4: thought it was great. Tim Hardaway as well. I love

464
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Speaker 4: seeing him in there. Yeah, really well done.

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Speaker 1: Well the athletics. Rob Peterson he did RTE an accompanying

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Speaker 1: sort of piece, and he did this last year too,

467
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Speaker 1: and he sort of updated it this year, looking at

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Speaker 1: like active players right and wondering where they fall in

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Speaker 1: line of their Hall of Fame credentials. You know, are

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Speaker 1: they future Hall of famers? Are they locks? Are they

471
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Speaker 1: in the mix? Are they are they on the outside

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Speaker 1: looking in when it's all said and done. So that's

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Speaker 1: what we're going to do here on today's No Dunks.

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Speaker 1: We're looking at active players only. I want to make

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Speaker 1: that very clear, so we're not talking about retired players.

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Speaker 1: Vince pau Gasol, Marcasol, Dirk Tony Parker, he was at

477
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Speaker 1: gnomally staying there, Dwayne Wade, you know, we don't work.

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Speaker 1: I would say probably all those guys I just listed

479
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Speaker 1: will be in the Hall of Fame. I guess maybe

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Speaker 1: Marcasol's one.

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Speaker 4: Where you're like but Spanish stuff though as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean where Sewn Marion and Amaro Stottlemeyer.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to know that Tim Hardaway is going in.

484
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Speaker 1: Sean Marion and.

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Speaker 2: I don't think either of those guys get in. She's

486
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Speaker 2: Sean Marion's in my Hall of Fame, yes, but I don't.

487
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Speaker 2: I don't think he gets in. And Mary Stottenmeyer is

488
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Speaker 2: He's sort of Chris Bosh without the championships and additional

489
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Speaker 2: All Stars, shortened career, not a lot of playoff success.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure Mary gets in. Yeah, I could see

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Speaker 2: I could see both those guys missing. Okay, if I

492
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Speaker 2: had to pick one of the two. I think i'd

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Speaker 2: have Sean Milly.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up my Hall of Fame. I

495
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Speaker 1: wanted to know how you guys are tackling this when

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Speaker 1: we go through these active players. Are you looking at

497
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Speaker 1: it like like you said, this is the task Millist

498
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Speaker 1: basketball fam He's in mine and he'll make the case y,

499
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Speaker 1: or he's not in mind and I'll make the case. Why?

500
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Speaker 1: Or are you like, well, so and so is in

501
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Speaker 1: the Nie Smith Memorial Basketball of Fame. That means and

502
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Speaker 1: this guy should be in or not be in? Which

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Speaker 1: one are you doing or is it a bit of both.

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Speaker 4: It's a bit of both, yes, because I think you

505
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Speaker 4: have to stand out and be remarkable to get in.

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Speaker 1: So you're you're gonna be a bit of a hard ass.

507
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to try to be, but I'm also

508
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Speaker 4: going to at times acknowledge like whether or not I

509
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Speaker 4: think they get in regardless of my opinion, because I

510
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Speaker 4: think there is a difference. I think you can be

511
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Speaker 4: a super standout for something or you know, even if

512
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Speaker 4: it's only a short time. But then there's other guys

513
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Speaker 4: just the longevity of like you just you just sort

514
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Speaker 4: of earned your way in because you were there forever,

515
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Speaker 4: even if you weren't necessarily remarkable in the in the

516
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Speaker 4: in the highlight or standout sense.

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Speaker 1: Like Tim Hardaway. Let's go back to him for a second.

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Speaker 1: I mean to a lot of people, he's not a

519
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean like two years of the TAMC guys

521
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Speaker 4: without tons of success. I think they won one playoff series.

522
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Speaker 4: But then he also did have some success in Miami,

523
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Speaker 4: but also they got bounced a couple of times Ali

524
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Speaker 4: in the playoff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of people say Tim Hardaway

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Speaker 1: a perfect example of the Hall of very good. Yeah,

527
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Speaker 1: but maybe not in the Hall of Fame, but there

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Speaker 1: he is. He's in it, you know. And this started

529
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Speaker 1: happening with Mitt Richmond.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I'm not using the Hall of Fame

532
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Speaker 2: as a barometer. That's no fun because you can be Frankly,

533
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Speaker 2: everybody we talked to you said, Sean Mary, four time

534
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Speaker 2: All Star, two time All NBA, not a lot of

535
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Speaker 2: individual accolades whatsoever, great counting stats, but even him got

536
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Speaker 2: it right, like, yeah, if Dallas, it's not in the

537
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Speaker 2: Dallas ring. Great defensive play, it was great, some work yeah,

538
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Speaker 2: again in my Hall of fame, but if you're looking

539
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Speaker 2: at individual accolades, I don't even know if he meets

540
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Speaker 2: the baseline. Marcusolt in my Hall of fame, but I

541
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Speaker 2: don't think he even meets the baseline. So the baseline

542
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Speaker 2: is what I guess. I guess it's Tim Hardaway, now

543
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Speaker 2: it's Mits Richmond. Those are sort of the guys in

544
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Speaker 2: terms of individual accolades. But again, Seann Mary four time

545
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Speaker 2: also two time All NBA should have made a lot

546
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Speaker 2: of All defense.

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Speaker 4: But that's crazy that about him that he didn't make those.

548
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah he was because he's a son. Yeah, for so long.

549
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Speaker 2: But he was good, you know, covering a bunch of positions.

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Speaker 1: But you say, like individual accoletesern Nobili just went into

551
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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. He's got like what two All

552
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Speaker 1: Star appearances, Yeah, that's two All nbas. Yeah, he's got

553
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Speaker 1: all the rings.

554
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Speaker 2: But that's a testament to him taking a back seat.

555
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Speaker 1: He talked about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, he could have could have done it, could

557
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Speaker 4: have played a bigger role, earn more money, scored more points,

558
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Speaker 4: but ultimately did sacrifice for the greater good. But he

559
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Speaker 4: also won in Europe and he one for Argentina.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, International, huge, huge, which will definitely help Yeah, Paalgasol,

561
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Speaker 1: he's probably a lock anyway, but could help them.

562
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Speaker 4: Marcus well, and that's thing. Mark got some of that too,

563
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Speaker 4: so but no college success for those guys. Obviously they

564
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Speaker 4: didn't play a.

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Speaker 1: Yah yeah yeah. Okay. Well, let's get to the list

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Speaker 1: here again, active players only. Okay, Okay, we're gonna tackle

567
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Speaker 1: these alphabetical. We'll see if we move with some pace

568
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Speaker 1: here because there's a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of names.

570
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Speaker 1: I got a list of thirty three names.

571
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Speaker 4: This is the ultimate.

572
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Speaker 5: Hey, this guy I gotta like to catch man.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go. Then, let's go. Okay, first name alphabetical again,

574
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Speaker 1: and sound off in the stream team if you're joining

575
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Speaker 1: us live on YouTube, whether you think they are a

576
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Speaker 1: lock for the Hall of Fame, maybe for the Hall

577
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Speaker 1: of Fame, or a nah not making the Hall of Fame.

578
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: I want one of those three boxes. I'll try and

579
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Speaker 1: keep track of how many locks we come up with.

580
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Speaker 1: The Marcus Aldridge first on our list, seven time All Star,

581
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Speaker 1: five time All NBA Lee, you go first. How do

582
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Speaker 1: you feel about Aldridge.

583
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Speaker 4: Longevity, consistency, very solid player.

584
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Speaker 1: Top fifty in NBA career points, Yeah, forty eighth.

585
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Speaker 4: But just doesn't scream Hall of Fame it to me,

586
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 4: just doesn't scream it. But you mentioned the seven Old Stars,

587
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 4: five Old NBA. Yeah, he's getting in, he's gonna have

588
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: he's gonna have the accolades and in terms of the

589
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Speaker 4: points and just the counting stats. But I don't what

590
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 4: do you remember about Marcus Oldrich, mid range assassin, solid

591
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 4: consistent veteran.

592
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: But he had that one playoff Syrian Western back to back.

593
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, Houston on the road and that's it.

594
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 4: What else do you remember he's saying? That's what I mean?

595
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Speaker 4: Is this? This is to me why he doesn't get in,

596
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 4: because he never really took a team even close to

597
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 4: a championship by himself ever. You know, he was with

598
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 4: Lillard there, he went to San Antonio and again his

599
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 4: teams are never like remember that run that the LaMarcus

600
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 4: carried his team off.

601
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Speaker 1: So, so to you in a Hall of Fame, uh,

602
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, nominee or whatever. In trainee, you do want

603
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: like sort of peak at some point, like super peak success.

604
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: Because this guy's average nineteen and eight over a thousand games.

605
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: So there's the longevity part.

606
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you think about that draft, that was barn

607
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 4: Janni first, I think Tyrus Thomas second, and then who

608
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 4: came third in that draft?

609
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 2: Was that someone forgettable?

610
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 4: Adam Morrison was it was that that one. I don't

611
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: know anyway you think about Niani hasn't played for ever,

612
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 4: Tarus Thomas barely even had a cup of coffee in

613
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Speaker 4: the league in the end, and LaMarcus will probably still

614
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 4: be on a roster next season at some point. So

615
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 4: I absolutely respect and admire and.

616
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Speaker 2: That drafts Hall of Fame.

617
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do that if you want like a solid,

618
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 4: you know, consistent out Harford type vet on your team. Absolutely,

619
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Speaker 4: But as a player who's like man he was so

620
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 4: close to a championship, I never really felt that with

621
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Speaker 4: LaMarcus Aldridge. And that's why I say I say no

622
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 4: for mine, I say he's getting into.

623
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Speaker 1: It was Bonnyanni, Oldridge, Morris and Tayrius Thomas and then

624
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: Sheldon Williams Sheldon and then Brandon Royan.

625
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 4: So he went on the two right. He've got traded though, for.

626
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: He went to Raptors for debating Bonny Aldridge and they

627
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: went with the correct pick in the That's what do

628
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: you think about alder who, No, he's not getting in there.

629
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Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm crazy when I say that,

630
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Speaker 2: because he played for sixteen years and as you said,

631
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Speaker 2: he was an All Star and seven of them, so

632
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: nearly half of his years he was an All Star.

633
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: He was an All NBA, which is kind of surprising

634
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: looking back in five of those years, so a third

635
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: of the years. What more could the guy do in

636
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: terms of regular season awards. At the same time, yeah,

637
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: he's not very memorable in terms of his postseason runs.

638
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: He made one Conference Finals. That was with the Spurs

639
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: when Zaza Pachulia stepped under Kawhi Leonard's foot, and that

640
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: could have changed things if they if you know, there

641
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: isn't a step under the foot situation there. I know

642
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: the Warriors went on to roll in that series. But

643
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: maybe Aldridge gets a ring, maybe things change, maybe we're

644
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: talking about a different situation. But he was never number

645
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: one guy on a team for a championship team. As

646
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: Lee said, this isn't the Haull of very solid and God,

647
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: there's nothing more solid than a guy who scores twenty

648
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: thousand freaking points, and most guys who scored twenty thousand

649
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: points in the NBA are in the Hall of Fame.

650
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Speaker 2: You know, there are a couple of caveats in your

651
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: Tom Chambers, but most of those guys, Jamison, I guess, yeah, yeah,

652
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: do a shot for for Antoine. He's not getting in.

653
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: But that's that's really the extent of it to me.

654
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: That's that's the extent of the Marcus Aldridge story. He

655
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: is one of those guys. He's your Paul Millsap of

656
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: this generation that we just won't be thinking about. Ridiculously solid.

657
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: But it's kind of hard to put him in. And

658
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: I hate saying, oh, if there's a weak crop a

659
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: few years from now, maybe he gets in. We crop

660
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: of Hollo damage. It's it's kind of it's it's disrespectful

661
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: to these dudes who are really, really, really good at

662
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: their craft to say that. So I shouldn't have said it,

663
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: but I will say, if there aren't super star, you know,

664
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame guys that are absolute locks, like You're

665
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: Duncans and all that, he could get in. You know,

666
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: it is a it's a weird thing that sometimes guys

667
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: get in when there aren't those you know, Hallmark names.

668
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: I mean, Chris Bosh is in yeah, championships, I know,

669
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: I know, and more All Star appearances. I can't believe

670
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: looking back at Bosch's career how how many he had.

671
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, to me, yeah, that's that's a decent one.

672
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: To me, Bosh is really amri star with juice, and

673
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: that's why Maris Starmer doesn't get it.

674
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: Okay, next one, we're saying, I'm with you guys, by

675
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: the way, I'm going nah on older. Yeah, hey, look

676
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: we got to be tough here.

677
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do this.

678
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: The next one should be easy, Yannis. He's only played

679
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 1: nine NBA seasons. Wow, he's already on the top seventy

680
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: five anniversary team as one of the greatest of all time,

681
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: six time All Stars, six time All NBA, two m

682
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: VPS one Finals MVP one Defensive Player of the Year,

683
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: one Most Improved. He doesn't turn twenty eight until December.

684
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: He's just hitting his prime. Is a scary part. I

685
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: know his team just lost in euro Basketball projected too,

686
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. But yes, he could never play

687
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: a single second from here on out and he would

688
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: be making it. He'd be first ballot.

689
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 4: Like that easily. The only debate for me is does

690
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: he become the greatest international player of all time. Wow,

691
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: And I think he's on pace to do that because

692
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: a chem olaje Wan is mind right now over the

693
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he definitely But I think, honest

694
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: is very likely to have more m vps, more finals, MVPs,

695
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: more championships as well. Exactly how many, I'm not sure.

696
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 4: But if he let's say he wins four championships, then

697
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 4: he's the greatest international of all time. So that's the

698
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 4: only debate for me. He's he could never play again

699
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 4: and he's in okay.

700
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only debate for me is if he mentions

701
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: the starters or myself in his Hall of fame?

702
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: Could you encourage him?

703
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: I did? I did. We can roll back the tape

704
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: he said when he accepted an award, he thanked me

705
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: personally for giving him motivation. So I wonder if he

706
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: remembers the little people that helped him along the way.

707
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: You can't present him though, because you're not in the

708
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame.

709
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: You know, he might make it our podcast in the

710
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: podcast Wing Sure, why the heck not? I could technically

711
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: be in. We heard Swin Cash shout out our man

712
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: Jimmy Ice from the league. This weekend, so there's a chance.

713
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: There's a chance, but obviously he's in. It was tough

714
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: to see him get lost in that euro Basket game point,

715
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: but he can hit him.

716
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 4: It was funny because if you watch the play, your

717
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 4: eyes on on that.

718
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was confused. It is weird though. That was

719
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: a second unsportsman like foul. They have technicals, they have

720
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: unsportsman likes, so if they just gave him a tech

721
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: he'd be cool. Yeah, it's really weird. They have two

722
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: texture tossing. Anyways, we'll get to some EuroBasket later on

723
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: in the week.

724
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, all right, so you're honest, he's

725
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: in our first one. All right, next one. Carmelo Anthony, Hello,

726
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: ten time All Star, six time All NBA, never made

727
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: the first team. No weird. Yeah, it's just like a

728
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: little I know, but I think Melow have won first

729
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: team in the top seventy five to only one of

730
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: two players to ever win an NCAA title, a scoring

731
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: title and a gold medal. The other Michael Jordan.

732
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: Crazy.

733
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: Uh so what do you think? Mellow a lock?

734
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: To you? Tests he is a lock. You get top

735
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: ten in scoring, you're in. It is crazy. The turn

736
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: that has happened because before he went to OKAC in Houston,

737
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: there was the oh, he wasn't a lock. I'll just

738
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 2: put it that way. He wasn't. That was fourteen years

739
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: into his career. We're talking about like twenty seventeen. At

740
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: the end of his next run, he wasn't a lock.

741
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: But he turned his career around and a score in longevity.

742
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: I mean he's like an Alex English to me in

743
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: sort of in the hall and h Yeah, enough accolades

744
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: plus top ten and scoring, it's just it's kind of

745
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: hard to keep him out. Never found a lot of

746
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: playoff success obviously, but yeah, that's enough. That's just it's

747
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: just enough. He's you know, top ten, the most important

748
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: thing in the game. So it's kind of hard to

749
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: keep him out.

750
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty eight thousand plus points, he ranks ninth all time.

751
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: He could pass Shack here. I mean, I don't think

752
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: Mellow's Ella hasn't said he's done right.

753
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: No, he's playing out there.

754
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: He doesn't need a lot to pass Shack.

755
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 4: So now he only needs uh three hundreds, so yeah.

756
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he could do that.

757
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 4: What do you think, Like, yeah, he gets in I

758
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 4: mean the three old medals, but only eighty three playoff games.

759
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 4: That's the knock on Mellow. He was never really able to.

760
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: He had one Conference finals with the Nuggets in two

761
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 4: thousand and nine when he was the star player on

762
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 4: the team, but those other accolades, the college as well,

763
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 4: because he only had one season at Syracuse there didn't

764
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 4: he but he won the championship. Yeah, so he's got that.

765
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: He's got his He probably doesn't get thirty thousand points.

766
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 4: He needs another eighteen hundred. I don't think he's got

767
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: that left in him. That'd probably take him at least

768
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 4: three seasons. So he won't get there. But it'll be

769
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 4: interesting to see in five ten years time if he

770
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: still is in the top ten all time scorers, because

771
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: he probably drops down when Durant and James Harden, you know,

772
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 4: a couple of those other staff Chris Paul maybe even

773
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 4: probably not, but Chris Paul's actually a long way off.

774
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 4: But so Mellow gets in I mean pretty good career.

775
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 4: You would like to have seen him do something with

776
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 4: the Knicks. I mean they had that season where they

777
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 4: lose the you know, with the big Roy Hibbert block

778
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 4: was sort of iconic from that because the Knicks had

779
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 4: a good season and they should have gone to the

780
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 4: conference finals, but they didn't.

781
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: So twenty twelve thirteen when he is that year, yeah,

782
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: leading the league and score.

783
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and he got one MVP vote.

784
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 4: I think that season that was when Lebron should have

785
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 4: got the unanimous but Melly got and so yeah, yeah,

786
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 4: you know.

787
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 2: As far as a scorer.

788
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 4: Gary Washburn, Yeah, Washburn did it. As far as Gary

789
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, yeah, He's been a great scorer

790
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 4: throughout his career, but just never had again a memorable

791
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 4: extended playoff stretch where it's like Mellow's team's going all

792
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 4: the way this year.

793
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: Is he a luck for you?

794
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 4: He's a lock?

795
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said it. I mean your top ten all

796
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: time in doing the most important thing in the game. Yeah,

797
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: I mean you did it for a long time and

798
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: unfortunately you maybe didn't have the playoff success that I'm

799
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: sure he wishes he had. He's in Melos, a lock.

800
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a luck.

801
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, your favorite player ly current player Bradley.

802
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: Beal, Russian Rondo, three time All Star.

803
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: He's only made one All NBA team, which was two

804
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: seasons ago. He's already played ten years, which seems a

805
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: little crazy to me. And I mean, look a guylake

806
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: mellow at least over the last couple of years, over

807
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: a two year span in eighteen twenty twenty twenty one

808
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: average nearly thirty one points per game. What do you think, Dolly?

809
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: Is there any chance Bill will make it or should

810
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: make it?

811
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: Well?

812
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 4: Will he make it? Yes? Or could he make it?

813
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 4: Could he make it yes? Because he's already at fourteen

814
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 4: thousand points and he could get the twenty to twenty

815
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 4: five thousand range, but he needs more accolades and playoff success.

816
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: And that's the problem with him is where he just

817
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 4: signed a five year extension. That's not happening in Washington

818
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 4: if he barely makes the playoffs at all. So he

819
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: would only get in if he was to hit that threshold,

820
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 4: which is again I think if you get twenty five thousand,

821
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 4: you are getting in. But as he is today, he's

822
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 4: not getting in based on what he's achieved so far,

823
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 4: and I can't really see what. I can't see the

824
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 4: case that he's got right now. The only case that

825
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: that could improve the points if he goes to another

826
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 4: team and then has like three or four playoff runs

827
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 4: gets maybe it gets the finals and wins a championship,

828
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 4: but in terms of just putting up points, you need

829
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 4: to do more than that for mine.

830
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: Right too soon. Not enough playoff accomplishments here, that's it.

831
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: I can't And.

832
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: It's unlikely he's going to be like the star guy

833
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: to lead a team for title Earth.

834
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: Or especially where he is right now. Yeah, and he's

835
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: in the prime of his career. This would be the

836
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: time to do it now if he has a renaissance

837
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: thirty three thirty four age run with another star where

838
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: they go to the finals. I was Sean Marion. He

839
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: scored so many damn points. Yeah, he scored seventeen thousand

840
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: points in his career, and it is crazy. I'm gonna

841
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: eat it right after I said that that Bradley Beal

842
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: is going to surpass that, no problem, That dude's going

843
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: to score twenty thousand points easy.

844
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 4: Well, that's that's what I'm saying. He's probably on track

845
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 4: for twenty five.

846
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess change that I was gonna say

847
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: certain a certain point, twenty thousand points can't mean always. Wow,

848
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: you're all locked to be in the whole fame If

849
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: guys more and more guys are doing it.

850
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: With a three point three points. That's the big thing. Yeah. Yeah,

851
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: for a while it was that was the benchmark. But yeah,

852
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 2: it's time to change.

853
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 4: There's only twenty three guys who have made twenty five

854
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 4: thousand points on more day. So again that's that's now

855
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: ten years, it'll probably be thirty or four.

856
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: That's a jump from that's fun.

857
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 4: We're talking right, Allen didn't score twenty five.

858
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: That's a lot. That's a lot, man, Okay, bial we're saying, nah, no, yeah,

859
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's any Like I say, he's played ten years,

860
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: he's he's not as young as I don't know. I

861
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: sometimes think because this guy's a little younger. Devin Booker

862
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: similar to Bill when you think about it, three time

863
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: All Star, it's made one All NBA team, it was

864
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: a first team selection.

865
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 4: That was uh this season.

866
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: Last season. Yeah, it's got the finals appearance, finished fourth

867
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: in MVP voting if you want to throw that in consideration. Now,

868
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: he's only played seven full seasons, Booker has he's only

869
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: gonna be twenty five when we tip here this upcoming season.

870
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: So he is significantly younger than a Bradley Beal, but

871
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: not a lot of individual accolades, But does that bump

872
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: them from now to a maybe or what do you think?

873
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: Go ahead, he's on pace, I would say he's on pace.

874
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 4: Two all Stars were replacements. Does that come into it?

875
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: It never come up.

876
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 4: You would say over the Sun's last couple of seasons

877
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 4: that they are well, they should be getting closer to

878
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 4: a championships and prolonged success. He's on pace, but today

879
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 4: he's not in. But if he can get to the finals,

880
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 4: if he can establish himself as a true undisputed All

881
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 4: NBA guy, which I think he can, but you have

882
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 4: to do that over like six, seven, eight seasons, then

883
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 4: he's going to get the points.

884
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: So the argument is that starting now, yes, you know

885
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: it's first team All NBA, that's right. Who's to say

886
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: he's not racking up three, four or five of these

887
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: in a row.

888
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 4: And that's why I say he the trajectory is looking

889
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 4: good for him, but he needs to do it season

890
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 4: after season after season.

891
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: Are you a mebia or a no? Then I can't tell.

892
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 4: Well for today I'm a no. But I think he

893
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 4: if he has a couple of injuries like a Grant

894
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 4: Hill or trace him a Grady or Penny or something

895
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 4: like that. Then his career could, of.

896
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: Course, But you feel more confident in the chances of

897
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: Booker making the whole of fame than you do Bradley

898
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: Build right now.

899
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: Yes, but yeah, he's a maybe for me on the

900
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: right trajectory, and I hope he does make it because

901
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna pull up in one of his classic automobiles.

902
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: It's going to look cool. He's gonna slip out of

903
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: that front seat, get up there on stage and make

904
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: a great speech. That's it. I think he has the

905
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: absolute right path right now that he's on, He's got

906
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: a very good chance to make it.

907
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: Needed probably a ring in the mix, and then these

908
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: like a couple.

909
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: You need a ring. We're talking about a lot of

910
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: guys without a ring. They get there.

911
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sure helps though, of course, yes, and it

912
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 4: really helped. Like if Mellow had had a I mean

913
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: he's a luck anyway, Yeah, but if he had the ring,

914
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: it's like, well, there's no not even a debike, No,

915
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 4: there is a speche of a debate with Mellow.

916
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: I think this next guy a ring really helps his case.

917
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: But I'm interested to hear you guys, Jimmy Butler.

918
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: I love this.

919
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: Okay, six time All Star, four time All NBA. He

920
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: won the most improved as well. According to Basketball References

921
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame Probability, I got that little thing there.

922
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: He's got a seventy one point five percent chance of

923
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: making the Hall, which is like one hundred and fifth

924
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: all time. And Rob wrote in his piece, while being

925
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: outside the top one hundred sounds less than exclusive, every

926
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: whole eligible player from ninety to one twenty is in

927
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: the Hall, with the exception of Sean Marian.

928
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 4: This is the show of Marion Choke, Jimmy.

929
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: Butler, Jimmy Buckets.

930
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not going to get the twenty thousand points.

931
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 4: He's not a big time scorer. And he's an oldish guy.

932
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 4: What thirty two now.

933
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 2: But he's thirty three today, thirty three burn Day birthday,

934
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: Jimmy cowboy hat off to you, sir.

935
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: Looking drinking ultra to you? Is that the beery drinks?

936
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember in the commercial?

937
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: Why why let me know? In this I think it is.

938
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: I think it is.

939
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's Elchi.

940
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, he likes, he likes.

941
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a runner because there's no calories. He likes

942
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: a flavorful coffee, but a very unflavoraful beer.

943
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: That's a good point.

944
00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, look four all NBA five old days. I

945
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 4: think the two way player helps out. Yeah, I think

946
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 4: I think those sorts of things. Six time All Star,

947
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 4: but he doesn't really play All Star games, so I

948
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 4: don't know if they count. Probably gets in because he's

949
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 4: had some decent player. Like you feel he's a playoff performer.

950
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 4: I do, damn right, So I think he's got that,

951
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 4: even though he obviously doesn't have the championship that that

952
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 4: bubble run. I mean, he nearly dragged without Gordon and

953
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 4: Dragaic and without bam Atabaio you know, against the Lakers

954
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 4: did well. What does the bubble mean? Who knows? But

955
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 4: Jimmy was huge. He knocked off the Bucks. Of course,

956
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 4: he was big there, and he was very good this season.

957
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 4: So he's one of those players that I trust in

958
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 4: big B games and big moments. Won't really have the

959
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 4: stats though, to support his case, So this is going

960
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 4: to be more like, yeah, that guy was a legit

961
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: baller rather than just a guy who accumulated. That's like

962
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 4: la Marcus Aldrige.

963
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so where do you have them.

964
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 4: I have him more than a maybe, but not a lock.

965
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 4: Is there another I would say very very likely.

966
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. For me, he's a lock. He's got the narrative,

967
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: he's got the store. He doesn't have the counting stats,

968
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: but who cares. He's Jimmy Butler. And that run in

969
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: the bubble is almost like a championship rank to me.

970
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: It was that good where he led his team to

971
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 2: the finals against the Lakers. It was that good at

972
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: this while being the man, you know, that's why it

973
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: was good. He was the guy obviously, the iconic leaning

974
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: over the end scoreboard there the advertisement after dropping forty

975
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: on the Lakers. He is a playoff performer. He's a

976
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: badass now he has. He sort of produced that image

977
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: himself by how much he talks about working out in

978
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: two and three in the morning and Mark Wahlberg and

979
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: all that. Yeah, but that's sort of part of it.

980
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: But he has absolutely backed it up in years past.

981
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: Here I mentioned that bubble run, but he was also

982
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 2: twenty seven point game guy this past season for the Heat.

983
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: I mean, he's peaking right now. They only went to

984
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: the conference finals, so yeah, not a whole time of

985
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: playoffs success. No ring but enough for me, and yeah,

986
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: he's he's a late bloomer. And then the defensive part helps.

987
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a guy that any Hall of Famer

988
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: who's sitting there in their jacket would say, I want

989
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: that guy on my team for sure. So yeah, it's

990
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: one of those, yeah, I think.

991
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean that's the crazy part. He's been an All

992
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: Star in three different teams. Now Chicago, Minnesota, a short

993
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: stint there obviously getting them too the playoffs, and then

994
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: now with Miami.

995
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: Not with Philly.

996
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, not with Philly second very long. But

997
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: I think I man if he, if he over the

998
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: later stages of his career, wins a ring, even as

999
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: like a second or third hell, even like the fourth

1000
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: best player on a team, it like stamps him for

1001
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame. And I think even without it,

1002
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: I like the two way play argument that you're bringing up, Lee.

1003
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: I think I have him as a lock. I see

1004
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: Trey and the stream team saying he just wants to

1005
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: work hard and make the Hall of Fame. Yeah, man,

1006
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: And then I hate to do it, but I'll tell

1007
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: you when I if if Tim Hardaway is a Hall

1008
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: of Famer, then Jimmy Butler is he's a Hall of Famer.

1009
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're doing that, that's just a no

1010
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: brainer to me. All Right, I can't believe it. I'll

1011
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: go lock.

1012
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 2: There's gonna be no room. There's gonna be no room

1013
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. It's gonna be so many people.

1014
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: H JD. Can you get your construction guys to build

1015
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: another wing at the U in Springfield, at the NAIs

1016
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: Memorial Basketball Fame on it? Okay, uh, this one shouldn't

1017
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: take long. Steph Curry lock lock it in. The only

1018
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: unanimous MVP in league history. I'll just give you this

1019
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: to you. Becau's fun two m vps, two time scoring champ,

1020
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,479
Speaker 1: eight time All start, eight time All NBA, four rings,

1021
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: Finals MVP finally got that, and of course was writing

1022
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: on that he needed that Finals MVP the greatest shooter

1023
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: of all time to get in.

1024
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 2: Okay, So Curry, yeah, good, put a good, good basketball player.

1025
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: Do you see the one billion dollar deal that it

1026
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: looks like he's gonna sign with under Armour for a

1027
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: lifetime deal with under Armour. That's a lot. Yeah, it's

1028
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: a lot of dollars.

1029
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: A lot of armor. Okay, Coury, next one, Anthony Davis.

1030
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: Oh boy, now this is fascinating because he was named

1031
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: to the NBA seventy fifth Anniversary Team. He's an a

1032
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: time All Star, he's a four time All NBA First

1033
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: Team He's got the championship, Bubble Lakers Gold Medalist too.

1034
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: What do you think, Lee, is Anthony vis a lock

1035
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: for the whole.

1036
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 4: Fair well, yes, but not in mind. He's getting it.

1037
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 4: He's walking into the Hall of Fame because of all

1038
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 4: the other stats and stuff there. But for me, I

1039
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 4: keep waiting for him to really like grab the league

1040
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 4: by the scruff of the neck and say, this is

1041
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 4: my league for three seasons. Yeah, and it just doesn't happen.

1042
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: He's injured, something's going wrong. He does it for like

1043
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks exactly, and you know that long.

1044
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 4: The durability through each season is the biggest question with him.

1045
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 4: He's never played eighty two games and the playoffs. If

1046
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 4: you take out the bubble now you can't because he's

1047
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 4: got the championship. That's where he kind of like sneaks

1048
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 4: in anyway, because it's like he was good in the

1049
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 4: bubble there. But I just feel almost a little bit

1050
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 4: like Vince cartera where you're sometimes like, just do more?

1051
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 4: Do more? Really make it undeniable that your entry is

1052
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 4: in there as far as a player, not the stats,

1053
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 4: like be one of those guys where it's like when

1054
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 4: Anthony Davis on the court, there was a couple of

1055
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 4: seasons there where he just was not going to lose

1056
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 4: the game. He's improved his game, he's got a really

1057
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 4: nice mid ranger, he's got the defense as well there,

1058
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 4: but he's never to me. I've picked him to win

1059
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 4: MVP probably two seasons in a row, like I don't know,

1060
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 4: four or five years ago, and every time I'm like,

1061
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 4: when is this guy just going to really dominate? And

1062
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 4: I don't feel he ever has so for mine, No,

1063
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 4: but he's going to walk in What do you think?

1064
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 2: Oh? Oh, this is so tough because he was named

1065
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: to the top seventy five anniversary team and then you know,

1066
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: the Lakers sort of bow out. He wasn't leading the team.

1067
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,479
Speaker 2: When you step back, you Zuomo, he's played ten years

1068
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 2: in the league. He's only been the playoffs four times,

1069
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: which is strange. That's not a high percentage for a

1070
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame player still in his prime. But at

1071
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: the same time, there's some individual awards, accolades, eight time

1072
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 2: All Star, as you said, four time All NBA, four

1073
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: time All Defense, the big, big, big ring, regardless of

1074
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: where it was done. He only averages about sixty games

1075
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: played per season over his career. That's not a lot,

1076
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 2: but it's enough to get in. So, yes, we're sitting

1077
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: here and you could hear the disappointment in all of

1078
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: our voices that he hasn't lived up to expectations of

1079
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: that being said, he still has time to go. He

1080
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: is only twenty nine. He could still he gets to

1081
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: be a ten time All Star who's not going to

1082
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: make the Hull. That'd be weird, that'd be weird. So, yes,

1083
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: a little underwhelming, but.

1084
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: We can be underwhelmed, but he can still be a lock.

1085
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah of course.

1086
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And this is great Trey helping us out

1087
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: here is putting up polls for everybody in the stream

1088
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: team to throw their votes on all of these potential

1089
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famers. Are they locks, maybes or nos?

1090
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should have done that.

1091
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's great, tray Ad The people say forty maybe, yeah,

1092
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: and a lot of yeah.

1093
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 4: So I think that's it. I mean, that's the thing

1094
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 4: is like when you are the number one pick and

1095
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: you go to the Pelicans. You know he was he

1096
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 4: was a lock for that number one pick, one of

1097
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 4: those rare guys that's like no one's ever gonna take

1098
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 4: anyone else apart from him in his draft class. You

1099
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 4: come in with huge hype and huge expectations as very

1100
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 4: very difficult to live up to that. And he imagine

1101
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 4: he was taken fifth in that draft and he had

1102
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 4: these numbers. Maybe people say, like he's been incredible, but

1103
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 4: that number one expectation and hope maybe is a little

1104
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 4: harder to live up to. So maybe maybe that doesn't

1105
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 4: mean anything, but I just I just sort of fear

1106
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 4: theres always he's never really been in that super super

1107
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: like undeniably dominant player for a course of.

1108
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: It would be cool even like a two or three

1109
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: year run of him being a top five, top three

1110
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: MVP sort of.

1111
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, New Orleans, maybe that's flying under

1112
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 4: the radar a little bit as well. People point out

1113
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 4: the Blazers upset. Okay, one first round up set of

1114
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 4: a team that you know wasn't that massive, like a

1115
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 4: favorite to win the championship or anything like that.

1116
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: So that's why Rondo gets in for me, he was

1117
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: part of the team.

1118
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: Spoiler spoiler's part.

1119
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: Of that New Orleans team. But what do you think?

1120
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: Eighties stats are just points and rebounds throughout his ten

1121
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: year career, like averages, averages. Yeah, like twenty three, I

1122
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: was gonna say, twenty two and eleven, twenty four and

1123
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: ten yea, yeah, okay, that's good. Yeah, yeah, all right,

1124
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: missed the chunky. He missed basically twenty five percent of

1125
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: his games. Yeah, when it comes down to.

1126
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: Eighty though, we have as a lot ultimately in the end,

1127
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: I think I guess tas and I getting them there. Okay. Yeah,

1128
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: Demarto Rosen, five time All Stars, three time All NBA

1129
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: Top fifty scorer in NBA history, there is that. Has

1130
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: he done enough for Kenny? Does he need to have

1131
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: another still, like a little window here to some acunot

1132
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: of stats, maybe some you know, fall into a championship

1133
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: or something. What do you what do you think?

1134
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 4: Like? I think maybe or not? I think he misses that.

1135
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 4: I think he's a bit of a LaMarcus old Ridge,

1136
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 4: Like he's going to burst through the twenty thousand. He's

1137
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 4: probably going to finish close to twenty maybe even twenty five.

1138
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 4: Who knows, because he's a very you know, he takes

1139
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 4: care of himself and he's a bucket. I just feel

1140
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 4: that there's not quite enough sexiness about him, and the

1141
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 4: fact that he was traded away now was foru Kawai

1142
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 4: Leonard and then the Raptors going to win the championship.

1143
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 4: One of the big problems with the DeRozan lowery teams

1144
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 4: were that, and it was against Lebron that was just

1145
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 4: the hump they could never get over. And you just

1146
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 4: felt that he was in a different class. And that's

1147
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 4: where I feel about him now. I admire and respect

1148
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 4: everything he's done. I rememberhen he got drafted by the

1149
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 4: Raptors and I thought, oh, this guy will be a

1150
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 4: decent scorer. He's really done. You know, he's gotten a

1151
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 4: lot out of his career. But it's just you always

1152
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 4: feel like he's more a third best player on a

1153
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 4: team rather than certainly not the number one, not really

1154
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 4: a number two, number three, he'd be great. So he's

1155
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 4: not in mind.

1156
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: I have him as a movie. I think he's a

1157
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: perfect Maybe I could see, you know, a little still

1158
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: a sustained run here from him, or he's getting this

1159
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: Plotuc's just become an incredible playmaker. Maybe gets on the

1160
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: right team. Is it with the Bulls or is with

1161
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: another squad where he picks up a late career championship

1162
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: as a piece to that team that would really help him?

1163
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: So I see him maybe as it is right now,

1164
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: he's probably not. But what do you think?

1165
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, it's safe to say maybe. Yeah, I'm in

1166
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: the same boat. Yeah, that's LaMarcus Aldro just kind of

1167
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: a good comparison where the playoff runs have not been there,

1168
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: they just haven't been with Damar, I think I can

1169
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: vault him to be a number two guy on a

1170
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: championship team next season, like if he was with the

1171
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: right number one. And Trey likes the sound of that, Well,

1172
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 2: he's got to be with the right number one, that's

1173
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: the thing. So yeah, I don't think it's happening with

1174
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bulls. But it's kind of hard to just

1175
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: knock a guy who's scoring twenty thousand points at twenty

1176
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 2: points every single year and say he's not good enough.

1177
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a bit of the just didn't meet expectations,

1178
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 2: didn't right a great play off story. Now, there's some

1179
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: good stories from this past year with the Bulls. I

1180
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: think if he continues hitting game winner after game winner

1181
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 2: like he did on New Year's Eve and then New

1182
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 2: Year's Day, like that type of thing, where he becomes

1183
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: this sort of this guy who's extremely clutch, where he's

1184
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: been given the keys, where he had a nice little

1185
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: career turnaround from his three years with the Spurs, and

1186
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: he's a big story. Yeah again, I'll go back to

1187
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 2: to Melo. I think the Mellow comparison is decent. Mellow

1188
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: fourteen years in the league, we sat here talking in

1189
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, there was no chance that people were putting

1190
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: him in as a lock. I think DeMar could take

1191
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 2: that same path if he has another good four or

1192
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: five years, would be hard to deny him getting in.

1193
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: And I think people like him as well, So I

1194
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: think there's a chance. Maybe the Alex English comparison is

1195
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: a good one as well for Dumar Okay, right now

1196
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 2: we'll say maybe, yeah, maybe he'll get there.

1197
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: Though. This one is fascinating because he's only played four seasons.

1198
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: Luka Doncic Wow. Three all NBA First teams, made three

1199
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: all three All Star games, career averages of twenty six

1200
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: point four points per game, eight and a half boards,

1201
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: eight assists career averages again through four seasons. He's got

1202
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: some international obviously, big games and moments and stuff like that.

1203
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: His postseason numbers in only five series are even better,

1204
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: averaging thirty two point three points per game, nine and

1205
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: a half boards, and nearly eight assists in the postseason.

1206
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: You know, I guess there's a couple questions. Should he

1207
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: have been in consideration for top seventy five? Would not

1208
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: have been insane? And do you have him as a

1209
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: lock for the Hall of Fame?

1210
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: He is a lock a lot. Yeah, if he stopped today, no,

1211
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: he wouldn't get in, right, Okay, but I'm assuming he's

1212
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 2: gonna have some good years because he's only getting better.

1213
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 2: He's going to come into the season extremely in shape.

1214
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: He's going to be fit. That hasn't happened throughout his

1215
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 2: first four years of his career. So four years in yeah,

1216
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 2: if he stopped now, no, but to be All NBA

1217
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 2: First team three of those four years, that's ridiculous. Yeah,

1218
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 2: he's one of the two best guards in the league

1219
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: the first three of his first four years. So the

1220
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: stats say that he's going to be one of the

1221
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 2: best guards for a decade. So, I mean a couple

1222
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: of years from now he could be a luck but

1223
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: not not quite yet. Whatever, it doesn't matter. He's one

1224
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: of the best guards in the game, and the fact

1225
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: that his stats get better in the playoffs show that

1226
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: he's made for He's made for playoff basketball. He's made

1227
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: for this league. He's he's Yeah, come on, he averaged

1228
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: over thirty the last in his three playoff runs, and

1229
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: he's not going to stop. No one can stop him.

1230
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 2: The NBA is perfect for him.

1231
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 4: Okay, Lock says, task you think he's locked in already

1232
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 4: if you never played the game, yeh, never played a game.

1233
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 4: All his European success as well, is going to get

1234
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 4: him in there, you know, the rare one way, Like,

1235
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 4: there's no question he's going to get there anyway. So,

1236
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 4: and the more I've thought about it, he probably should

1237
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 4: have been included in that top seventy five. I'm at

1238
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 4: the time I think I was like, it's a bit

1239
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 4: too early, and now I'm like, actually it's not. He is.

1240
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 4: He's the Shack of the ninety seventeen for me.

1241
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if people would remove Ian Lillard for you'll.

1242
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 4: Kitchen, if you gave me who you're starting your franchise with. Hey,

1243
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 4: what about this guy? Doncic for me, is absolutely there.

1244
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 4: You know, he's out there playing for Slovenia today. In fact,

1245
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 4: they've got another game, a semi final. I think it's

1246
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 4: a quarterfinal. He has exceeded all possible expectations already. For me,

1247
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 4: he's gonna win an MVP multiple probably throughout his career.

1248
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 4: He's already won tons in Europe. So for me, he's

1249
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 4: absolutely strolling into the Hall of Fame.

1250
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: Okay, well, the people agree something like plus eighty percent

1251
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: say Lucas a lock, the rest say maybe. And there

1252
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,439
Speaker 1: is somebody out there, and I think I'll believe one

1253
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: vote said.

1254
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 4: That's Anthony Davis, because well the thing is again as

1255
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 4: I mentioned with the Anthony Davis number one pick, now,

1256
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 4: Doncic was the number five pick of course, sorry, number

1257
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 4: three pick. He was traded for the number five pick there,

1258
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 4: but he had that European like, is he a bit soft?

1259
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 4: Can he adapt to the NBA? And he was an

1260
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 4: absolute bucket from the day from day one. So, David,

1261
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 4: he has exceeded expectations and he's been a professional for

1262
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 4: ten years already, not just in the NBA playing in Europe.

1263
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 4: So for a guy to have that hype and then

1264
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 4: to exceed it in the NBA and the playoff success

1265
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 4: that okay he has. He only won playoff series this season,

1266
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 4: but his numbers and his performance have been way better

1267
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 4: than his team's performance.

1268
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: So don chicches. Yeah, okay, he's in. Kevin Durant twelve

1269
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: time all start, ten time old NBA. He missed an

1270
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: entire season, four scoring titles, three Olympic Golds, two finals MVPs,

1271
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: two titles. Of course, got an MVP regular season MVP.

1272
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: He's should we just put it on Twitter that he's

1273
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: not getting in?

1274
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: He would reply, for sure, Yeah, wow, interesting, Yeah, he

1275
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: was upset with his two key reading for Yeah, he

1276
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: was upset with it. I think he was upsett he

1277
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: was a ninety six and that he wasn't a ninety nine.

1278
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: So he would be very upset if we said he's

1279
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: not a future Hall of Famer. He's in. He's a lock.

1280
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: Rob said in his article this sort of just like

1281
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: blew my mind. He only needs about eighteen hundred points

1282
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: to go from twenty first in scoring all time right

1283
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: into the top ten's. That's one less than one good season.

1284
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah from Katie here, and then he's gonna be a

1285
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: top ten all time scorer. Crazy, Okay, Katie's in. Joel Embiid, Well,

1286
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: we'll make this our last one before we take a break.

1287
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: Jowell Embiid, five time All Star, four time All NBA.

1288
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: He won last year scoring title points per game wise.

1289
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: We could get into a whole debate about that. Yeah,

1290
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: I know, my buddy Grish hates that he's like Trey

1291
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: Young scored the most points last year. Why is he

1292
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: not the scoring champion of that year? But what do

1293
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: you think with Embiid two time NBA MVP runner up.

1294
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 4: To Yeah, not a maybe, but not a lock in

1295
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 4: that in that extremely likely to get in. He two

1296
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 4: white player. He's on the pot, cannsidering you missed his

1297
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 4: first basically three seasons. He's done incredible work to be

1298
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 4: as good and as reliable now as you can get.

1299
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 4: Playoff success not really there for him right now. But

1300
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 4: if if he gets to a finals and has you know,

1301
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 4: is undoubtedly the best player on that team, which you

1302
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 4: would be, I guess, then he's in. So so you

1303
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 4: have him as a maybe I have yeah, maybe, like

1304
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 4: more likely than not.

1305
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: It sounds like of his career ended today.

1306
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 4: You're not saying he's no, no, no, which and again

1307
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 4: coming back to the injuries that he's had, he's overcome

1308
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 4: those so to get himself into this very very good

1309
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 4: position that he likely does get in. So not today though, Okay,

1310
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 4: CAAs lock him in.

1311
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: I know it's a lot that's slightly early, but he

1312
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: has overcome those injuries. It is wild. He's played six

1313
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: seasons in the NBA, really like five and a half,

1314
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 2: and he's been an All Star five of those years. Yeah,

1315
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: so he's twenty eight, he's just going to have a

1316
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: few more years of being an All Star. If we

1317
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: remember last season and where he won the scoring title,

1318
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 2: sorry grish, he won the scoring title. He didn't have

1319
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: Ben Simmons, he didn't have James Harden for seventy five

1320
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: percent of the year. Now he's got a full year

1321
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: of James Harden. He can take a lighter load. He'll

1322
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: he should play in more games. The Sixers should be

1323
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: better off. Talk to Derek Bondner about that on No

1324
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 2: Bunts actually, who's a writer for the Philadelphia seventy six

1325
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 2: ers or writes about the seventy six ers, and he basically,

1326
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: you know, talked about him being able to take a

1327
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: bit of a lighter load. So if he can have

1328
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 2: hardened be the Harden of even even last year, like

1329
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: one hundred Harden playing eighty games with him. Because Harden

1330
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: does play games, it's going to help embids workload. He

1331
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: doesn't play a lot of games when you look back

1332
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 2: at his career, even though he gets the stats. He

1333
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 2: gets the stats, the per game stats, and he gets

1334
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: he gets the all SAR appearances of the All NBA accolades.

1335
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: He's an All Defensive player three times. It will help.

1336
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: He's one of the best at his position. He has

1337
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: proved for the last five years, top three at the position.

1338
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 2: That's why he'll get up. Yeah, yeah, the law, it's

1339
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 2: just a question of longevity. So and yeah, he hasn't

1340
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: had playoff success quite yet, hasn't made a conference finals

1341
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 2: quite yet. But you gotta throw a yet on there

1342
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: because he's coming. He's coming out, and that the Sixers

1343
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 2: were smart to throw in a few little caveats into

1344
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 2: the contract about his knees and about his ankles. But

1345
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: he's shown that he can play through it. So I

1346
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: think he'll have enough games under his belt to be

1347
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer. Ooh, a lock.

1348
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say no, but I

1349
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: mean trajectory absolutely yeah, but I won't put them there yet.

1350
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: I won't put them there. Oh that's tough. That's tough.

1351
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: I got Butler as a lock and not too well

1352
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: be the third that feels weird, but I'll I'll put

1353
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: him as a maybe. Let's hear what the people out

1354
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: there and the stream team think. They say maybe fifty

1355
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: say lock. So this is a tough one, tough decision.

1356
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: But let's take our first break. Because the band Saws

1357
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: are you know, really popping off right now here in

1358
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 1: the construction zone at the Classic Factory. Take a quick break,

1359
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: lots more names to debate their Hall of Fame credentials.

1360
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. Okay, we're jumping right back into it.

1361
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: We took a quick, sir, faster.

1362
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 4: That was quick. Luckily he didn't have to take it

1363
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 4: too podcasts, you must have left it in the toilet,

1364
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 4: of course. Not no, you didn't have time to flush.

1365
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 4: I always flush. I mean, that's the thing. Is it

1366
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 4: someone else's house to not flush?

1367
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: That's insane? Yeah, all right, Paul.

1368
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: George that's the thing we are at someone else.

1369
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: We're debating active NBA players and the chances they make

1370
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. You got to vote with a locker.

1371
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: Maybe you're a Paul George. Seven time All Star, six

1372
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: time All NBA, four time All Defensive selection. Lee get

1373
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: us started. Where do you put Paul George? He's on

1374
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: the thumb nail. Yeah, people clicking.

1375
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 4: The term lock is is the is the tough one here,

1376
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 4: because look, I think Paul George his first five years there,

1377
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 4: he was on the trajectory, no question about it. You know,

1378
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 4: the playoff battles against the heatles there, he was a

1379
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 4: clear star talent. He's a two way player, All Star

1380
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 4: All NBA. But his career kind of has kind of

1381
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 4: turned down a little bit. But when he went to Okay, see,

1382
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 4: I mean you know, he was okay playoff p We

1383
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 4: all remember that that sort of moment against the Utah Jazz.

1384
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 4: And he's been injured of course with the Clippers last season,

1385
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 4: and then the Clippers also blew it against Oh no

1386
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 4: they didn't, actually they I'm trying to think what I'm

1387
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:27,959
Speaker 4: thinking of that against the Jaz Yeah that's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,

1388
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 4: he's in. He's in. But his career probably has plateaued

1389
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 4: a little bit from where it was early on for me.

1390
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 4: But the All NBA stuff, the All Star stuff, and look,

1391
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 4: he came back from potentially a career ending to knee

1392
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 4: injury and has still performed at a very very high level.

1393
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 4: So I give him respect for that. Is he a

1394
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 4: dunk champ as well? Did he win the dunk Contest

1395
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 4: and that he was a part of that three man team?

1396
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:51,479
Speaker 4: Wasn't John?

1397
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: Ultimately?

1398
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, skateboard this way very special.

1399
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 4: He's very silky smooth. I love watching him play when

1400
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 4: he's at his best. One of those players that I

1401
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:09,439
Speaker 4: do feel is a game changer. But yeah, the last

1402
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 4: couple of years have just not been his best in

1403
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 4: terms of, you know how how he's who he was.

1404
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 4: I remember his first season in the clip that he

1405
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,439
Speaker 4: was an MVP candidate. Early on he was. So I've

1406
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 4: got him in your locke, Nah, I see that's the thing.

1407
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 4: Maybe all right, maybe maybe, but likely I would have

1408
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 4: him in mind.

1409
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 2: Keep cool, cool.

1410
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: He's trying to rattle. He's trying to rattle you.

1411
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 4: I know, what do you think?

1412
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 2: Flush a toilet and somewhere else George. I get, I

1413
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 2: get he is sort of hasn't met the expectations of

1414
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 2: his early career. There's the there's a bit of an

1415
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 2: anti Paul George bias out there that I think we

1416
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: all sort of live and breathe. But I'm putting him in.

1417
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 2: I'm a Paul George backer. I know he ran into

1418
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 2: Lebron a couple times. They got to a conference finals

1419
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago with the Clippers, which is impressive.

1420
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: So three conference finals twice against Lebron once year with

1421
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 2: the Clippers enough playoff success for me. When you add

1422
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 2: on four time All Defensive, seven time All Stars, six

1423
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 2: time All NBA. Good individual, Yeah, accolates really good. It's

1424
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: very solid.

1425
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: You could rack up a couple more.

1426
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 2: For sure, he could get to twenty thousand points. I

1427
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 2: think him and Kawhi will be a force this season.

1428
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 2: They will have a great year here in twenty twenty two,

1429
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. He's getting old though, you know, he

1430
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: is thirty two. He doesn't have many many years left.

1431
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 2: But I don't want to do what about this guy?

1432
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: But if you're puting Jimmy Butler, and it's kind of

1433
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 2: hard not to put Paul Georgian. You know, two way

1434
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 2: defensive guy, two way player. That's right here.

1435
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 4: Would you rather have Paul Georgia Jimmy Butler's career, Yeah.

1436
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, that's I mean, he felt the injury.

1437
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 2: The bounce back from injury may be a part of

1438
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 2: the narrative here. Obviously the broken leg with USA basketball.

1439
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, I harken back to what he

1440
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 2: was at the beginning of his career and and how

1441
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: he's bounced back, and he's a twenty point per game

1442
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 2: guy on average, despite missing a ton of time. Again,

1443
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: not an NBA Finals appearance, obviously, not a championship. He's

1444
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 2: one of those guys that you know should get in

1445
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 2: I think on accomplishments and and you know he's got

1446
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,919
Speaker 2: he's got a bit of an narrative. But yeah, there's

1447
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 2: the anti Paul George. I'm in. I'm in on him

1448
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 2: though their lock. Yeah. I've loved his career and being

1449
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 2: able to watch it, it's been a blessing.

1450
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw Rob write in his article there on

1451
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: The Athletic You talked about the injuries playing a big

1452
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: part of his career and that there may be why

1453
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: he's in the near lock position and not like a

1454
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: shirtfire Hall of Famer, which I think there's some truth

1455
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: to that. It's actually, when you think about it now,

1456
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,919
Speaker 1: he didn't reach the peaks of this guy. But there's

1457
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: a similar career here to Hall of Famer Grant Hill,

1458
01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: right when you consider yeah, the play, the style. Yeah, no,

1459
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: Grant Hill had college success. I think I'd helped him

1460
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: get him in. He had the crazy longevity in the end.

1461
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: Maybe Paul George will have that. But you know, the

1462
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: the injuries having an effect on their NBA career, But

1463
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: Paul George has bounced back and could continue to rack

1464
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: up some All Star maybe All NBA selections. Man, this

1465
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: guy he gets a ring as like a one or two,

1466
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: probably a two, then I think it's like he's for

1467
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: sure going. I'll put him as a maybe right now.

1468
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he feels like a good mem.

1469
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 4: They were two one up on the heat in like

1470
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 4: twenty eleven conference finals, and he was, you know, he

1471
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 4: was incredibly He had that huge dunk over the Birdman,

1472
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 4: which we all remember. I mean, if he took down

1473
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 4: the Heatles, maybe that would even been enough, you know, so,

1474
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 4: but that was when that was at that time, you

1475
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 4: were like this guy, he's going to be a legit stud.

1476
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1477
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thirteen fourteen, those were two years back to

1478
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 2: back conference finals, the Roy Hebbert years. Yeah those yeah,

1479
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: the dunk, the handshake from Lebron hate Nace dunk and

1480
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 2: in the middle of a playoff game.

1481
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 4: Big Three to send it to overtime. I think in

1482
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 4: that series to remember the to the side there deep yeah, yeah, yeah.

1483
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went through them on the starters. You know,

1484
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,839
Speaker 2: the five teams that Lebron killed in the Eastern Conference

1485
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: that he didn't allow a chance to get to an

1486
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: NBA finals, The Pacers, the Bulls, even those Wizards with

1487
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 2: Gilbert A. Renez who says the instant Tokupo's not whatever.

1488
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 2: You know, like those he Lebron crushed dreams that due

1489
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: that Pacers team could have made it an.

1490
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: I's trying to keep Derosan out of the Hall of Fame,

1491
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: trying to keep Paul George out of the Hall of Fame.

1492
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: Who else is on his hit list there? Trying to

1493
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: keep him down.

1494
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 2: We'll get to him, yeah, I mean, the worry is

1495
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 2: he he's not playing a lot of games. The last

1496
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 2: three seasons he's played in the last three seasons thirty one,

1497
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 2: fifty four, and forty eight going back to the last

1498
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 2: three seasons. So I don't know if he does the

1499
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 2: Grant Hill thing, but yeah, his peak was you know

1500
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 2: it was it was a long time ago, but he's

1501
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 2: still playing through it. I mean, he was playing forty

1502
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 2: minutes a game when he went to those conference finals.

1503
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 2: And if Kawhi can sort of booy him to another

1504
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 2: NBA finals, to just even a far high.

1505
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: On the Clippers coming into this season. Yeah, so maybe

1506
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: they make a deep run here if they can stay healthy.

1507
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 2: Okay.

1508
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: I like how this broke down with the stream team

1509
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: and their and their poll about half the people saying

1510
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: maybe a quarter saying lock, a quarter saying nah, you know,

1511
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: polarizing PE call him that, not pandemic prizing, not playoff pe. Polarizing.

1512
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, next one. Rudy Gobert, big Frenchman, stifle tower.

1513
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 1: Want of three players to win three Defensive Player of

1514
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: the Awards. He could be set up here for another

1515
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: one if vaults to Minnesota Timberwolves until like, let's say

1516
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 1: a top five deferred and something like that. He's got

1517
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: four All NBA nods, no first team accolades if you care,

1518
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: three time All Star and six time All Defensive selections. Rudy, Rudy, Rudy.

1519
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: Will we be chanting that at the Hall of Fame

1520
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: and scream?

1521
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 4: This is a really tough one for me because Ben

1522
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 4: Wallace is someone who I absolutely had as a lock

1523
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame. He might las he won

1524
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 4: four defensive places. He only had a peak of you know,

1525
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 4: six years max, I think, and he's finished his career

1526
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 4: averages of six points and ten rebounds. Rudy right now

1527
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 4: is at twelve points and twelve rebounds for his career

1528
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 4: with the the three defensive play that and you know what,

1529
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 4: Rudy may have another one. But people don't like him

1530
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 4: as well. No, And I think that's a factor. It's

1531
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 4: like you've won enough and we don't like you, and

1532
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 4: people are up and down on his defense. I think

1533
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 4: Rudy gets in. I have him as a maybe I guess.

1534
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say he's a lock, but I think he's

1535
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 4: gonna get more. Just good solid two way numbers again,

1536
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 4: solid numbers like these last couple of seasons here he's

1537
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:40,759
Speaker 4: averaged basically sixteen points and more or less fourteen rebounds

1538
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 4: a game. I mean, that's big numbers for a guy

1539
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 4: who you don't look at it all Like I was

1540
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 4: a little surprised to see his numbers offensive quite that

1541
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 4: high because you don't think of him as like that.

1542
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 4: But a lot of it's just pick and rolls, dunks,

1543
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 4: you know, high percentage looks. I mean, he's his field

1544
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 4: goal percentage for his career is sixty five percent, So

1545
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 4: that shows you that most of his baskets are just

1546
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 4: in the paint there, and he was seventy one percent

1547
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 4: from the field last season, led the league. So you

1548
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 4: might not love Rudy, understand that, but he's he's achieved

1549
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 4: a lot in terms of his individual success here and

1550
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 4: the three defensive players he's may ended up with five

1551
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 4: or six. Who knows?

1552
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 2: He's in?

1553
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: Okay, buck, Yeah, what do you have? What happens when

1554
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: you see a pole? You just don't vote. It's not

1555
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: what happens. I made this very maybe not which one

1556
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: would you pick?

1557
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 4: Look, I'm lucky, I'm lucking him in. Okay, what do

1558
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 4: you think?

1559
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 2: I agree he's making it. He doesn't have the narrative. Yeah,

1560
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: he's always picked last in the All Star Game. Now

1561
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 2: last or second last. You know him and James Harden

1562
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 2: now are the ones that uh Lebron and Steph just

1563
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 2: say yeah, put him at the end. I actually do

1564
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: listen to podcasts, and I heard that that joke about

1565
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 2: James Harden on the Raptors pod with our boy Will

1566
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 2: Lou with all the Losers that's what they call their

1567
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 2: fans and our man Alex want Stephen Brot. So I

1568
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 2: listened to it. That's like, that's a banter pot. That's

1569
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 2: like a three or four hour pot. That's what this

1570
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 2: is going to turn exactly. We got to start. Yeah,

1571
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 2: so put him in. He deserves it. When you compare,

1572
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 2: it's hard not to compare, but you compare him to

1573
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: Ben Wallace, a better dunker than Ben Wallace, a guy

1574
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 2: who could you know. He's not a better score, not

1575
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 2: a better post player. But at the same time, yeah,

1576
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 2: the numbers are there. I can't. I kind of put

1577
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 2: him in, like I think of him as like thirty two,

1578
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 2: thirty three, but he's only thirty, so he's gonna have

1579
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 2: some some more years. If if he stays healthy, he's in.

1580
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean if he wins, if he

1581
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: wins his fourth defensive player the other then I mean

1582
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 1: it's it'll be a no brainer because the only two

1583
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: to have done that Ben Wallace and Kemmtupple and help.

1584
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 1: Maybe he ends he could get two more. I think

1585
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: he's set up really well to get another one, at

1586
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: least this year. You say, people don't like him, but

1587
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: like the narrative will be there if he gets the

1588
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 1: Wolves to like an elite level which he has for

1589
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: the Jazz, Yeah, and then people will be like, look

1590
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 1: at this guy, you put him on his on your team, Yeah,

1591
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: and you're like a lock as like one of the

1592
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: best defensive units in the league.

1593
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 4: And and you know he's going to come in this

1594
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 4: season with like showing people what he can do. He's

1595
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 4: been pretty good for France too. Actually there is that

1596
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 4: national flavor there.

1597
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: He plays for his national team a lot.

1598
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 2: Kirk and cork Mass could have taken out French, taken

1599
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 2: out France, but he messed up.

1600
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,759
Speaker 1: Trea says in the stream team he's de Kene mctumbo.

1601
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert is without the finger and general goodwill.

1602
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 2: But I will say he has to have sort of

1603
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 2: a second arc to his career. You know, I put

1604
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 2: him in but and the numbers are going to be there,

1605
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 2: but the the Jazz fell off the last couple of years,

1606
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 2: but I think that was just an internal Hey, we

1607
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 2: don't like each other. So I think he's going to

1608
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 2: come back out with the Wolves and have you know,

1609
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 2: another run here, because if it's just if it's like

1610
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 2: right now, just what you see. Even though the numbers

1611
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 2: are good, he doesn't score. He's not a scorer.

1612
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 4: He has to have I agree that he's not a scorer,

1613
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 4: but hold on, I mean, Ben Wallace, I.

1614
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 2: Know, but Ben Wallas had more of an impact. They

1615
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 2: won a championship. Well yeah, and and he was the

1616
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 2: guy on that end, and you're and you're scared of him,

1617
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 2: like he was just around a better team. Yeah, if

1618
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 2: this team makes the finals at some point, they have

1619
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 2: to be really good defensively. Again, I think right now,

1620
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 2: if if he just accumulates more accounting stats, then he

1621
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 2: probably won't get in. But I think he will. He

1622
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 2: will lead a good defense.

1623
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: I think he is a lock. I mean, hate him

1624
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: or love him, I think he is a lock. Even

1625
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: with the accolades are incredible. I mean, you gotta you

1626
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: have to respect some defensive players and if you're one

1627
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: of the best defensi players of all time, then you

1628
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 1: have a good case to be in. So he's in

1629
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: on his list as a lock. Okay, next one sort

1630
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: of a similar I guess, Draymond Green, he only got

1631
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: one Defensive Player of the Year to his credit, which

1632
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: is a little wild. Seven All Defensive nods to all

1633
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 1: NBA nods, four NBA titles, He's got two Gold medals,

1634
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: He's a four time All Star.

1635
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 4: Draymond Is you said he's only got one DPO. Why

1636
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 4: but didn't he finish with the most first place votes

1637
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 4: one season? And quite where does where does grish? Where's

1638
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 4: he's a lock?

1639
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: He's a lock.

1640
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 4: Absolutely championships the defense, an incredibly powerful and impactful player

1641
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 4: on those championship teams for the Warriors. I can't see

1642
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 4: why he wouldn't get in the numbers. He doesn't need

1643
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:15,560
Speaker 4: big numbers. His impact is significant and he's got the

1644
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 4: defensive stuff there, So lock him in to us.

1645
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 2: I think he gets into the podcast wing before he

1646
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 2: gets into the Hall of Fame. He's leading a great podcast.

1647
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 2: He said his podcast is work. He's dedicated to it.

1648
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 2: But he also gets into the basketball portion. Seven time

1649
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 2: All Defense. It's very impressive. Yeah, regardless of the stats

1650
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:43,600
Speaker 2: he's got, he's got the narrative of the persona, the

1651
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 2: story behind his defense as well. And that's where I

1652
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 2: think Rudy Gobert lax and compares him to like a

1653
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 2: Ben Wallace. I see people joking around here, is Marcus

1654
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 2: Cambi in the Hall of Fame?

1655
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 4: Ha ha?

1656
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 2: But you know the I get, I get like Green

1657
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 2: has what Ben Wallace and to Kenviy Mtumbo have, Like

1658
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 2: they have the story around their defense. I think that's

1659
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 2: where Rudy Gobert lacks a little bit. But that's why

1660
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 2: Day Day, the Dancing Bear, Dre as his nicknames are

1661
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 2: on Basketball Reference, We'll get in.

1662
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: Okay, I one hundred percent agree's he's a lock at

1663
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: this point. He could not play a single second from

1664
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: here on out and he would be a lock. It

1665
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: is wild, like when you get into some of these

1666
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: guys with the under ten points per game, Yeah, a

1667
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: career scoring average. He's at eight point seven. I mean again,

1668
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: Rodman was seven point three. But if you're if you

1669
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: are elite on the other end, and it turns into

1670
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 1: championships again like Rodman, and you play, you know, a

1671
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: pivotal role on that. Yeah, there, then you're lock. Draymond Green.

1672
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: He's a lock, and ninety percent of the stream team

1673
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: says he is is too. I'm a little shocked by that. Yeah,

1674
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: I thought that would maybe a little bit lower.

1675
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 4: But all so, people don't like him. I think that

1676
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 4: afficts the stream team voting.

1677
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: But they respect him. Yeah, it's different, it's different. I

1678
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: don't think people respect Rudy Gobert.

1679
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so, Woul. It's the jazz thing.

1680
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 4: It's just the jazz. People just don't like.

1681
01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: Oh you don't like jazz.

1682
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 4: No, I love jazz. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. A friend

1683
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 4: of mine was in a jazz band. He's fantastic. Yeah

1684
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 4: that down at the old what's the one the jazz

1685
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 4: festival in Toronto there on the uh it's one of

1686
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,759
Speaker 4: Montreal and yeah but there.

1687
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:13,799
Speaker 2: Was it dangerous?

1688
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah.

1689
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: What's what's his name?

1690
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 4: Or Josh? Josh? Yeah? Just straight yeah, man, Josh and Josh.

1691
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 4: And the jazz is.

1692
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 2: Jazz. What do you do?

1693
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: What are you doing when the jazz is going?

1694
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing.

1695
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1696
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 4: I don't know how to dance the jaz. I don't

1697
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 4: know if you even have to dance, so if you

1698
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 4: just have to just enjoy it. Yeah, but oh man,

1699
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 4: he was incredible.

1700
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: Okay, shout out to Josh all right, Draymond in Blake Griffin. Wow,

1701
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: you want to you want to make it a Mari

1702
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 1: star Mark, There you go. He might be a Mari

1703
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: two point zero six time all start, five time all NBA.

1704
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: He has scored less than fifteen thousand points and his

1705
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 1: career is winding down here.

1706
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, can you get on a.

1707
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: Roster and pull out a chip somewhere? I guess it's

1708
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: in play, but you go first task Blake Griffin.

1709
01:18:59,600 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 2: Is he a lot?

1710
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 4: Maybe? Or not?

1711
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 2: Well, the twenty tens wouldn't be the same without Blake Griffin,

1712
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 2: that's for sure. But yeah, the two thousand would have

1713
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 2: been the same with about Mario Stotdemeyer. He's in like

1714
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 2: the you know, the cultural Hall of Fame, but with

1715
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 2: all the dunks he had on guys, But he's not

1716
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: going to get in because, yeah, you can see now

1717
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 2: in his thirties without the athleticism, he can't score the

1718
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 2: same way. He needs space. It is really like Amaro Stodemeyer.

1719
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: So he's not getting the counting stats. You know he's

1720
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 2: gonna end even though he had some really really good years. Yeah,

1721
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 2: he's going to end with less points than Amari most likely.

1722
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,560
Speaker 2: So like fourteen thousand, you know, so many individual accolades,

1723
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 2: All NBA and All Star, but not a long career

1724
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 2: and the numbers are are dwindling. He could definitely help

1725
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: as a backup big somewhere. There are teams that need

1726
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 2: energy off the bench. He's showing he's willing to dive

1727
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 2: and be like the gruntman. But I hate to leave

1728
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 2: him out because you know, we've talked about him a

1729
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 2: freaking ton over the course of this show, and he

1730
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 2: didn't get there with the Clippers teams. They just didn't

1731
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 2: do it. They didn't get to a conference finals with Blake.

1732
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: They just need to have like his dunks on Mos

1733
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: go off and whoever else he post her eyes.

1734
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 2: Like Candrick, like Kendrick, like Loop on Loop at.

1735
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: The Basketball Hall of Fame. That's his best chance of

1736
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: getting in because I don't even think you can pick.

1737
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I see people voting maybe in the poll, it's like,

1738
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: ain't nothing changing. Really, I guess outside of a championship

1739
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: that he has a big game five in a second

1740
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 1: half to turn the tide in a two tuoser maybe,

1741
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 1: But to me, it's either you're convinced Blake Griffin has

1742
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 1: done enough that he's in, or he's a NAH, and

1743
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 1: I have him as a NAH.

1744
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,879
Speaker 4: What do you usually? Yeah? I do too, actually because

1745
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 4: against the Rockets that season he was good in the

1746
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 4: playoffs himself, but they know James Harden and they lose

1747
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,759
Speaker 4: that series. The okay, see thunder as well the season

1748
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 4: prior to that, you know, when they beat the Spurs

1749
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 4: when tast was the only one to pick him, maybe

1750
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 4: Blake and Blake would be like Jiannison mentioned how motivated it.

1751
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 4: That was the moment where it's like, okay, could he

1752
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 4: could be that guy who was a difference maker. But

1753
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 4: instead he's only played I think at sixty seven playoff games,

1754
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 4: which is very few. It felt like he played more.

1755
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 4: It just felt like that with those Clippers years there.

1756
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 4: But unfortunately, no, I don't think he does get in.

1757
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 4: He was certainly impactfully burst onto scene a number one

1758
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 4: pick he missed his first year, but then it was

1759
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 4: like dunking on everyone.

1760
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 1: So he like all MBA and.

1761
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 4: Possibly yeah possibly, but yeah, so he look good five

1762
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 4: all NBA really good six All Star. But he's going

1763
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 4: to fall way short of twenty thousand points, which that

1764
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 4: that surprised me when I was looking that up this morning,

1765
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 4: I thought, he's probably only like two and a half

1766
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 4: thousand short.

1767
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: He's only not even fifteen times.

1768
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 4: No, no, so that's going to hurt him. And just

1769
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 4: the injuries have really significantly impacted. He was good in

1770
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 4: that one or that first season in Detroit.

1771
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: Seeing that in the stream team that was like a

1772
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: nice little he did sort of sort of almost like

1773
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: what DeRozan just did for the balls, right, like just

1774
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: like Whoa's the older guys still got it here.

1775
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 4: And I like the fact that he did become more

1776
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 4: than a dunker, like he improved his shooting range. He

1777
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 4: became a bit of a three point shooter.

1778
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: The better passer, yeah, for sure.

1779
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 4: Play when he was playing Maker Blake for those Clippers teams.

1780
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 4: It was awesome, but unfortunately very very short in the

1781
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 4: end time there with the Clippers. And if he'd made

1782
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 4: a conference finals and made the Clippers maybe into the finals,

1783
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 4: he'd be in I think, but unfortunately, no, I don't

1784
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 4: think he's done enough, okay, And.

1785
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 2: For him to jump on and grab a ring with

1786
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 2: a good team, He's not going to be a big

1787
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 2: part of that team. He had a chance. He had

1788
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 2: a chance last year with the Nets was he started

1789
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 2: every single one of the playoff games. They went into

1790
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 2: the second round, but then that team sort of fell apart.

1791
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 4: He had that good five minute run where he scored,

1792
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 4: but then he got scored on the other end.

1793
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 1: You were saying two seasons ago.

1794
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well we're both both. Yeah, I mean there's both.

1795
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 2: He had two years. I mean I conflate both of them.

1796
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 2: I combined both of them as well. Where they went

1797
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 2: to the they played the Bucks. Yeah, but then yeah,

1798
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one season, they yeah, they lost that

1799
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 2: seven game. Seriously, the Bucks in the second round. That

1800
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 2: could have been that he could have gone. If Harden

1801
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 2: or Kyrie are healthy, they could have gone to the

1802
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 2: finals the year that the Bucks won it. That's the

1803
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 2: one I'm I'm referring to. He started every one of

1804
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 2: those games.

1805
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: Okay, Blake, Right now we are saying, is he's an

1806
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: AH for the Hall of Fame. James Harden ten time

1807
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: All Stars, seven time All NBA, three time scoring champ,

1808
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: one MVP, and he was on the top seventy five

1809
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 1: anniversary Team Locke.

1810
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 4: Yes.

1811
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: Yes, Harden is the only player to win six Man

1812
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: of the Year, MVP and a scoring title. Rob Peterson

1813
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,759
Speaker 1: wrote in his Athletic Ground, it's the weird and most improved.

1814
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 1: There's threesome. No, I don't believe, so I don't think

1815
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: Hardon got an MIP.

1816
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm thinking it just an odd one he is.

1817
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: By the way, Harden is one good scoring season from

1818
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: passing Barkley, Iverson, Ray Allen and Patrick Ewing on the

1819
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 1: NBA's all time pointsless.

1820
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1821
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus four legends right there.

1822
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 4: He's he is getting in easily lock at him. But

1823
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 4: the playoff success is certainly the biggest knock on his career,

1824
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 4: or lack of playoff sucess and lack of showing up

1825
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 4: in the playoffs that that's what's really going to hurt him.

1826
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 4: He has a reputation, of course, being fantastic in like

1827
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 4: the game one of a series and then just petering

1828
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 4: out quickly. One of the most significant ones was against

1829
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 4: the Spurs in fact, where it destroyed San Antonio in

1830
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 4: game one twenty seventeen. I think it was now and

1831
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 4: then it ended with Manu blocking him on that on

1832
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 4: that last shot there. So that's that's the biggest knock

1833
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 4: on James Harden that come playoff time, he's gone missing.

1834
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 4: They had a real chance if he wins that champion,

1835
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 4: or if he knocks out the Golden State Warriors in

1836
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen when they're up three to Chris Paul blows

1837
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 4: his hamstring, that that changes the narrative on James Harden completely.

1838
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 4: If Chris Paul stays healthy, I think they do beat

1839
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 4: the Warriors, and I think they beat the Cavs too.

1840
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 4: We'll never know, but that if people do want to

1841
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 4: sort of hold something against him, they'll say not good

1842
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:42,719
Speaker 4: enough in the playoffs.

1843
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 1: I mean it's Tasey mcgreedy's in the whole of fame.

1844
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah right, so yeah, so similar in like incredible numbers,

1845
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:51,520
Speaker 1: incredible accolades.

1846
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 2: Harden's doing it for no I know what I'm saying.

1847
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: But then you know, the knock against mcgreedy is playoff

1848
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 1: performance and success, and there's some of that with James Horren.

1849
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: But there's an Okay, let's move on there.

1850
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 2: You just got them.

1851
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, alright, Al Horford, you guys brought up his

1852
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 1: name earlier. Five time All Star, one time All NBA.

1853
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 4: That's it.

1854
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 1: Over a decade ago. Al Horford made the twenty ten

1855
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 1: to eleven all NBA teams. But man, mister consistent here. Yeah,

1856
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: he's averaged over ten points per game in all fifteen

1857
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 1: seasons in the league. And he's got these Rob said

1858
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: in his article he's got two titles at Florida. If

1859
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 1: that helps, if you're including the college Game Board, you

1860
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 1: think ley.

1861
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 4: It does help his case for the for the official ballot.

1862
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 4: For me, no, he's like LaMarcus Oldridge, you know, very

1863
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 4: solid guy you won in your locker room, very good

1864
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 4: defensive player, underwrited defensive player. But just you know, he

1865
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 4: always felt he's never a number two. He's a number three.

1866
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like even the aear he makes all NBA. I

1867
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I'd have to go back and look at

1868
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: the entire list of players. It's like, was Al Horford

1869
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: ever one of the in any season? Like a top

1870
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 1: twenty five guy? Like maybe maybe one.

1871
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, But that's the thing about and you know exactly

1872
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 4: what you're getting out of him, but not enough to

1873
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 4: be like with him on our team. He's taken us

1874
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 4: to the championship this year, So love him, respect him.

1875
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 4: Two thousand and seven draft number three pick, still playing,

1876
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 4: and yeah he'll be.

1877
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 2: I mean he was.

1878
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 4: He was actually Bostin's second best player.

1879
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: Would he be in the maybe category if he had

1880
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 1: picked up a title there with the Celtics last year?

1881
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 4: The way he played?

1882
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, what helped.

1883
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 4: Okay three game one?

1884
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:34,560
Speaker 2: Remember that? Yeah? So you say, nahna the Hall of

1885
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 2: Ary Maybe, No, he's in the Hall of very good. Yeah,

1886
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 2: with LaMarcus Oldridge. If you don't put LaMarcus Soldridge and

1887
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 2: you can't put out Horford in, it's it's difficult. Listen.

1888
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 2: You build the wing the hall very good, you know,

1889
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 2: less flashy, you know, a standard brick, I guess linoleum floor,

1890
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 2: and they're in.

1891
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: Just a simple room, just twelve by twelve room. You

1892
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 1: get like a tiny little photo of yourself. We've gotta

1893
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: put a lot of people in the hall a very good.

1894
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a ton.

1895
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: Do you guys want to build the area? I sort

1896
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 1: of do. It's actually a brilliant idea.

1897
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 2: That's what these construction guys are actually on.

1898
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 1: The other side of the classic factory. You start selling tickets,

1899
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 1: people come in, they can see a live recording.

1900
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 2: This the next level thinking here smart. Yeah, it's like

1901
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:23,560
Speaker 2: a shed. You know, they could build a shed, just

1902
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 2: just a solid, solid show it gets the crap done.

1903
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 2: You need to get done.

1904
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 1: That's what that Horford's going.

1905
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll drink chocolate milk in respect of in honor

1906
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 2: of Al Horford. That's what he drinks. He doesn't drink alcohol.

1907
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 2: He drinks chocolate milk to get the job done. Jared

1908
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,839
Speaker 2: Advice with that article on the Athletic great.

1909
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: Article, Trey says the whole of handsome people saying the

1910
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: Hall of Hunks, Yes, got all those beautiful eyes.

1911
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1912
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: So fifty seven percent saying no, yeah on Al Horford,

1913
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: thirty percent saying maybe people love Al Horford, giving them

1914
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:59,679
Speaker 1: respect of them. Maybe there and you know, basically fourteen

1915
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: percent saying lock, which is a little surprising. We are

1916
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 1: saying no. Sorry, Al Dwight Howard guys, eight time All start,

1917
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 1: eight time All NBA, five first team selections. If you care,

1918
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: I want to chip in twenty twenty with the Lakers,

1919
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 1: three time Defensive Player of the Year, just like Gobert,

1920
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the best rebounders and blocks guys

1921
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: of his generation, one of the best at his position,

1922
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 1: of a generator, for that generation finished top five in

1923
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 1: MVP voting four different times, and that's something man to me.

1924
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 4: Yes, that's when you finish runner up one year, I

1925
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 4: believe too.

1926
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 1: Derek ro People say that, but it was like, which

1927
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: is it's true? Derek go's at one hundred and thirteen

1928
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: first place votes and Dwight had less than Lebron that.

1929
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 4: Had first place votes.

1930
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had three to Lebron's four. I just think

1931
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 1: that's really funny. But he what was second in terms

1932
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:44,719
Speaker 1: of the votes?

1933
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 4: Lockley, Yes, absolutely, another one where you don't have to

1934
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 4: love dwat you know, a bit of a clown, but

1935
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 4: those for what eight seasons there, he was absolutely just

1936
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 4: a beast and the two thousand and nine finals little

1937
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 4: disappointed that the Magic didn't didn't win more than one

1938
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 4: game there. I thought he was incredible because and stan

1939
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:08,919
Speaker 4: Van Gundy said, very few players impacted so many possessions

1940
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 4: at both ends of the floor as Dwight did for

1941
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 4: a couple of years there. So he was great. And yeah,

1942
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 4: I mean he does get the championship, but not a

1943
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 4: not a real Dwhite championship, more a coat tails riding

1944
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 4: one there. But yeah, I mean like he probably you

1945
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 4: just would have liked maybe even a touch more out

1946
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 4: of it. But I think of his career in those

1947
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 4: those peak peak years there, because they blew it against

1948
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 4: the Celtics when they had home court advantage in twenty ten.

1949
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 4: That was the year where they dropped those first two games.

1950
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 4: I think they were down three to zero and came

1951
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 4: back to make it a six game series there. So

1952
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 4: a bit frustrating his career, but he's got the accolades,

1953
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 4: he's got the stats, and he's a luck.

1954
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: Terre says he'll be the first Hall of Favorite to

1955
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: use a fight.

1956
01:29:51,880 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 2: Machine, like just the sounds of fights. Yeah.

1957
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he'll use a tape recorder. He'll be cushion.

1958
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know when they always get whoever does

1959
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:09,759
Speaker 1: like the induction to you. You have to have somebody,

1960
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: you said, in the Hall of Fame. But then they

1961
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 1: always sit down on a little chair, right, will slip up,

1962
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: will be cushion under there for whoever.

1963
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 4: Is inducting him, and the people change over there as well.

1964
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 4: You can sort of be locked and then high and

1965
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 4: then people love you again a little bit like Chris Bosh,

1966
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 4: you know.

1967
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: And so people will love that.

1968
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 4: They go, yeah, he brought some humor to the Yeah, okay, he's.

1969
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 1: He's five hundred points away from twenty thousand.

1970
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's in play though.

1971
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,799
Speaker 1: He's, you know, his careers winding down, and he's already

1972
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,919
Speaker 1: eleventh in all time rebounds. So this and the accolaty,

1973
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 1: the stats are there. He does have a ring. He's

1974
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: got all these individual All NBA and All Star selections

1975
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: and the three Defensive Player of the years locked test.

1976
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 2: No question, he was on top of the league for

1977
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 2: several years. It is fun to go back and watch

1978
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 2: that on nine Finals. If you're in that type of mood,

1979
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 2: the courtney Lee miss. If he makes the layup, that's different.

1980
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 2: Dwyke gets so pissed that he doesn't pass him the

1981
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 2: ball on an opportunity to end the game. It just

1982
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 2: it went south. If he had one more guard play,

1983
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 2: if Jamior Nelson was even healthy the off season, that

1984
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 2: would have been different. It's unfortunate Standvan Gundy's not in

1985
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame because it would have been great

1986
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 2: to see stan Van present you know, stan Van sip

1987
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 2: in a diet PEPSI relive that moment while he presents Dwight.

1988
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,560
Speaker 2: That would be amazing. That's good and and they're and

1989
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 2: they I think they're both uh you know, they're both

1990
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 2: good enough to do it too. They would they would

1991
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,839
Speaker 2: pull it up. They'd be comfortable doing that. They wouldn't

1992
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 2: be so pissed. Yeah, anyway, I wonder who presents him?

1993
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I feel like a lot of

1994
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:43,480
Speaker 1: people would decline.

1995
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 4: Patrick Patrick, I work together.

1996
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 2: I forgot.

1997
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: Let us know the street team. Who's gonna who's gonna

1998
01:31:55,240 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: present Dwight Hard Andrea. Four time champ, he's got that

1999
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 1: fourteen to fifteen finals, MVP made two All Defensive teams,

2000
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 1: just one All Star game back when he was with Philly. Yeah,

2001
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 1: and his top twenty in career steals.

2002
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, you need to dig for e Goodalla's case

2003
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 2: because he shouldn't get in. I love him. Yeah, but

2004
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 2: the finals MVP was a mistake.

2005
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: It was a mistake.

2006
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 2: It's Steph's Steph was the best player on that team.

2007
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 2: It was a mistake. Okay, so that's his best accolade.

2008
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 2: I love the guy. You know, he said he'd offer

2009
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 2: us a job when we got fired. That's very nice

2010
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 2: of him. The case isn't there. He's a perfect role,

2011
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 2: complimentary player. If you want to go this one, two

2012
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 2: three thing on a team that wins a championship. What's

2013
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 2: Andre Gudala. He could peek at number three maybe, but

2014
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 2: he's never really been a guy who could take anyone

2015
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 2: off the do never never being able to get a

2016
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 2: bucket himself, like you know, I feel, I mean, he

2017
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,919
Speaker 2: was nearly a twenty point game guy with the Sixers,

2018
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 2: but it's kind of hard to put him in. I

2019
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 2: think he's a perrow guys. You know, he's got some

2020
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 2: more or characteristics, but yeah, he's a glue guy. If

2021
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 2: there's a glue wing, then he's in.

2022
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2023
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 1: It's I mean, no all NBA selections. That's going to

2024
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: be very difficult. You know, you're not You're basically saying

2025
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 1: never one season you were considered by you know, the

2026
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 1: media at least to be a top fifteen player. And

2027
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 1: I was surprising only has two all defensive teams, Like

2028
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting he has like a weird like

2029
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: eight or nine of them, but it's not even close.

2030
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 4: So I got him as a nah his impact was

2031
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 4: better than his numbers, right. I think he's been really

2032
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 4: important for those Warriors championship teams by getting the finals MVP.

2033
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 4: But that's still not quite enough to get in. Yeah,

2034
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 4: I mean, if he gets in the Fantasy Hall of

2035
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 4: Fame because he was a monster Fantasy player there for

2036
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:50,959
Speaker 4: a few years in Philadelphia, because he would get the rebounds,

2037
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 4: he assists, the steals, the blocks, things like that. I

2038
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 4: had him a couple of times for sure, and consistent

2039
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 4: as well. He played a ton of games early on

2040
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 4: in his career. Far of his first six seasons he

2041
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 4: played all eighty two games, So longevity and durability and

2042
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 4: all those things, but doesn't quite have enough, you know,

2043
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 4: much better numbers on teams that weren't successful. And then

2044
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 4: when he goes to win, goes to play in Golden State,

2045
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 4: has a huge impact on that team, but the numbers

2046
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 4: drop off significantly. So I wonder if he does get

2047
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 4: in though, I know championships, I mean, you know, and

2048
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 4: there's not a lot of people with the finals MVP

2049
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 4: that are not yeah, handful, there's a handful, and a

2050
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 4: lot of them are eventually going in Parker Dirk, Yeah,

2051
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 4: you know, just a couple of yeah, yeah, yeah, but

2052
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 4: so not quite for me. But wouldn't be surprised if

2053
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 4: he does get in.

2054
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess people make the Gerobili case. You know,

2055
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 2: it's not it's not exactly comparable, but they want championships

2056
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 2: with him coming off the bench. You know, he could

2057
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 2: have he could accumulated more stats as a starter, but

2058
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 2: he went to the perfect spot for him.

2059
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 1: Good point. I mean, he does feel like he won't

2060
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: be like he first ballot Hall of Famer, but you

2061
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 1: can see a world where like, you know, is his

2062
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 1: last chance or something, and then there's a swell of

2063
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: support for what he did in terms of team success.

2064
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 4: And look, he could pick up another toddler too as well.

2065
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 2: I know, you know he could.

2066
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 4: But then it's like he was in the he was

2067
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 4: in six in a row, was he because he was

2068
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 4: with Miami in the bubble.

2069
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 2: He's been in more finals than the the curries and yeah,

2070
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 2: hurry and Clay because he got the heat one as well. Yeah,

2071
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 2: and he did play in these last finals. Yeah, it's yeah,

2072
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 2: a question mark, well whether he'll play next season.

2073
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, but then you get in, I mean, Robert

2074
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 1: or has a million championships and it's like, yeah, where

2075
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 1: do you draw the line.

2076
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, Fisher's got a lot.

2077
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, okay, we'll say no one at all. And

2078
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 1: the people generally agreed fifty four percent, saying tight. Kyrie Irving,

2079
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 1: seven time All Star, three time All NBA got the

2080
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 1: chip in sixteen. With Lebron and the Calves. He's averaged

2081
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 1: over twenty seven points per game over the last three seasons.

2082
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 1: One problem, he's only played in one hundred and three games.

2083
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 1: He's only played six hundred and eleven games, which is

2084
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 1: a little weird. Kyrie, though, Where's Kyrie followed the lock

2085
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 1: meybe or not?

2086
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 4: He's a lock for me because of the championship. Yeah yeah,

2087
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 4: I mean hit the biggest shot in Cleveland franchise history.

2088
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 4: Does one shot get you in? No, but coming back

2089
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 4: from three to one down, he was huge in those finals.

2090
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 1: So if Kyrie tomorrow and it's Kyrie, well says, I'm

2091
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: done with this basketball, I'm out.

2092
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 2: Of here, man.

2093
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a lock. He won a gold medal too,

2094
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 4: I believe think, or a World championship anyway, whatever it is.

2095
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:34,600
Speaker 1: You know, we're not putting him in because of the

2096
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 1: World Show.

2097
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 4: No, No, but that that one championship, and we've talked

2098
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:41,879
Speaker 4: about time. That's easily Lebron's that's his Mount Rushmore Championship.

2099
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 4: Whatever you want to call that's the one that carries

2100
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:46,560
Speaker 4: so much weight. And the fact that Kyrie hit that

2101
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 4: shot on the road in Game seven against the seventy

2102
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 4: three and nine worries that, to me, get you in.

2103
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 4: And look, he's going to get the scoring. Who knows

2104
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 4: exactly where his career is going to end and he's

2105
01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 4: only at fourteen thousand points.

2106
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah right now, and maybe I just I would

2107
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: like to see a couple more amazing Cyrie seasons where

2108
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 1: he'd actually play and maybe have more success in a

2109
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 1: playoff run or a championship run.

2110
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2111
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 4: I mean he's been to the finals what four times?

2112
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:15,640
Speaker 4: I guess there with Cleveland, So he's in, he's in,

2113
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:19,560
Speaker 4: and again that one shot is just like it's just

2114
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 4: going to vault him above so many guys because it

2115
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 4: was massive in terms of NBA history. Massive.

2116
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,640
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, Lock from league, I'm a maybe, I

2117
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:32,240
Speaker 1: guess you're the you're a swing vot here unless you're

2118
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: saying nah, and then I don't know what.

2119
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 2: We didn't do. It's either your a Kyrie backer, you're not,

2120
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 2: you know, are you a Kyrie lover or not? I'm

2121
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 2: going I'm riding with him. I know all of his

2122
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:49,799
Speaker 2: peers respect his game, and we just talked about Andrea Goodolla.

2123
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 2: Andre Goodolla was vocal Sandy he wasn't voted one of

2124
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 2: the top seventy five players of all time, and he

2125
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 2: was pissed about that because of how great his skill

2126
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 2: set is. Well, we sit back here and we got

2127
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,640
Speaker 2: to talk about the off court issues with Kyrie. I

2128
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 2: think the encore is good enough. If you know, Anthony

2129
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 2: Davis is in. I compare Kyrie's lack of playing to

2130
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:13,360
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis and even some of his you know, lack

2131
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 2: of playoff success to Anthony Davis as well. Lebron came

2132
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 2: around and really you know, writed things there and you know,

2133
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 2: he hasn't played a lot, but he still has his

2134
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 2: thirties to go. If he wants to play basketball.

2135
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:30,719
Speaker 1: Well that's the ultimate, Like, that's why he's a maybe.

2136
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 1: To me, it's like, I don't know if he's the

2137
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 1: stop right now or another year. It's like, I don't know.

2138
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 1: I guess you could still argue it's got some accolades,

2139
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 1: he's got the chip, he's got the iconic moments he's got.

2140
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 1: He does have the respect of his peers. They they

2141
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 1: you know, I'm convinced, like you know how people always

2142
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: have their NBA conspiracies about the frozen envelope with the

2143
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: Nixon and Jordan, What was he doing stepping away for

2144
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 1: the game and all that. The one I truly believe

2145
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 1: is I think Kyrie was selected to the Top seventy

2146
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 1: five Anniversary team and then what was going on with

2147
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 1: his opinions about getting the shot in COVID and not

2148
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 1: playing that he was removed by the NBA from from

2149
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 1: the actual selection. That's that's a conspiracy. I am on

2150
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: board with it.

2151
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 2: I will.

2152
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 1: I have one hundred percent believe that he was supposed

2153
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: to be in the top seventy five and then was

2154
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:22,200
Speaker 1: removed and then maybe to distract us, they said, I'll

2155
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 1: just just put Lillard and Anthony Davis in there. We'll

2156
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:25,639
Speaker 1: make it seventy six.

2157
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 4: Or yeah, but so like, do we put Kyrie in

2158
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 4: and capitain seventy five or do we have to have

2159
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:31,600
Speaker 4: the tie break out and have two of them and

2160
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 4: make it seventy six?

2161
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're like Jesus, which one do we want to

2162
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:38,639
Speaker 1: live with? Anyway, all that, I still think he's a maybe,

2163
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 1: but you guys have him his luck.

2164
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 2: Though, yeah, he's in. He's got enough of the story

2165
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 2: for me. It is wild. He's only averaged fifty five

2166
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,680
Speaker 2: games this season throughout his eleven year career, and the.

2167
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 4: First three he didn't miss one. He played eighty two

2168
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 4: and all three the first season. Yeah, and he was

2169
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:58,439
Speaker 4: injured when he was at play seven games in colleges.

2170
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fIF that's why that's way fewer

2171
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 2: than Anthony Davis. Even first season.

2172
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 1: He's a forty six percent maybe according to the people voting,

2173
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 1: thirty four percent lock and then twenty percent.

2174
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 4: No, so people are all over the board on sorry,

2175
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 4: I got that wrong. No, I got that wrong. Was

2176
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 4: I was looking at Damian Little because he's coming up here,

2177
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 4: and I saw the Etty tune and I'm like, well, okay, so.

2178
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the most he's ever played is like

2179
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: seventy seventy seventy five.

2180
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:23,599
Speaker 4: He played in twenty four.

2181
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably like Sevember seventy five. That's why.

2182
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, let's make this one very quick. Is Lebron

2183
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:35,879
Speaker 1: James is an eighteen time All Star in an eighteen

2184
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 1: time All NBA and he's turning thirty eight December thirtieth.

2185
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 4: It will be the old time leading scorer very soon.

2186
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. Barring injury, he has thirty seven thousand

2187
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: and sixty two career points. Kareem has thirty eight thousand,

2188
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty seven. So you've already picked the date.

2189
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 1: I forget when you said it was happened. Yeah, you

2190
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:56,400
Speaker 1: called it a long time ago.

2191
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 2: You did it like a year or so. Yeah.

2192
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, But anyway, he will.

2193
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 1: Likely pass Kareem for the all time most points scored

2194
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 1: in the NBA, the record Kareem has had for thirty

2195
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 1: eight seasons, by the way, So Rob point that out.

2196
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: That's more than half the existence of the NBA.

2197
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:14,760
Speaker 4: So that was pretty insane and one three point of

2198
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:15,639
Speaker 4: for Kareem's career.

2199
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm still appreciated, fellow. Yeah, Lebron, don't even put

2200
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 2: the poll up trail, and he's gonna have, okay, the

2201
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 2: most most seasons played in NBA history. When all said

2202
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:31,840
Speaker 2: and done, he'll tie ins Carter. But it's kind of

2203
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 2: his right. It's Lebron's record twenty two seasons. The end

2204
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 2: of his contract here with the Lakers, it brings him

2205
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 2: to twenty two seasons.

2206
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:43,800
Speaker 1: So he's waiting even then, get in ye.

2207
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Boss move would be just sit out until his

2208
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:51,599
Speaker 2: son comes in and then score the basket that takes

2209
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 2: him over the top. Often assist from his song assist.

2210
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 2: I just had him on the basketball flow.

2211
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I wonder if Bernie Junior's best skill

2212
01:41:59,040 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 4: is going to be He's possible.

2213
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 1: All right, Ron, You're in your lock. Okay. The whole

2214
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:07,840
Speaker 1: reason why Rob Peterson did his article for the second

2215
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 1: year in a row was this player Yokich the joker,

2216
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 1: because he didn't have him on his list last year

2217
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 1: and Rob corrected that, especially after the back to back MVPs,

2218
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 1: Rob raiding Yolkic won of thirteen players in NBA history

2219
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: to win consecutive MVPs and one of fifteen players to

2220
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 1: win at least two in his career, four time All

2221
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:28,560
Speaker 1: NBA selection, four time All Star, probably a lot of

2222
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: people's self maybe kicking him that he wasn't on the

2223
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 1: top seventy five anniversary team after picking up another MVP.

2224
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 4: There a lockley, Yes, yeah, I mean the two MVPs

2225
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 4: lock you in there. If you don't have those, and

2226
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 4: if his career was to win tomorrow, maybe there's a case.

2227
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 4: But I mean, he's just been a you talk about

2228
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 4: a unicorn, he is a unicorn. Like the way that

2229
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:52,680
Speaker 4: he plays. He dribbles, he passes, he shoots. He's incredible

2230
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:54,600
Speaker 4: as a talent and as an athlete and as a

2231
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 4: basketball player because he doesn't look like a super you know,

2232
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 4: physical Muddy show absolutely no but his impact on the

2233
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 4: game and what he can do watching him, I mean,

2234
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 4: he may at some point in his career average a

2235
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 4: triple double as a as a big man throughout for

2236
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:14,559
Speaker 4: a season. He's kind of been, you know, in that facinity.

2237
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 4: We know he can pass, we know he gets the

2238
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 4: rebounds and points there quite easily. I mean, he was

2239
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 4: only one point seven assists away from averaging a triple

2240
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 4: double two seasons ago in his first MVP season, So

2241
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 4: you know, I mean we're sort of waiting now for

2242
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 4: and he's been a little bit unlucky because he's had

2243
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,680
Speaker 4: injuries to teammates in the playoffs. We are waiting for

2244
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:35,800
Speaker 4: a Dirk like run, you know, to get at least

2245
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 4: to the finals and to overcome some of those teams,

2246
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:41,559
Speaker 4: which I feel confident it will happen here at some point.

2247
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 4: But he's twenty six, He's still got plenty of his

2248
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 4: career to go. Can't see why you would not put

2249
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:47,840
Speaker 4: him in even today?

2250
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:49,640
Speaker 2: Lock it in?

2251
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,719
Speaker 1: Okay, no complaint?

2252
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:55,519
Speaker 2: Nah, no, for sure, for sure. Listen, Rob Peterson at

2253
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 2: the Athletics shouldn't be kicking himself because he didn't put

2254
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 2: him in last year. He just wanted to another MVP.

2255
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know he's only played Yokich has only

2256
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 1: played forty less regular season games than Kawhi Leonard.

2257
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 4: Wow that weird? No?

2258
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, crazy Rightwi doesn't play basketball? No, I know,

2259
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:14,560
Speaker 2: I know.

2260
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 1: Well, let's get to kai okay Yo Kinch is a

2261
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 1: lot Kauai, one of three players to win finals with

2262
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 1: two different.

2263
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:22,800
Speaker 2: Teams forty nine. I'm seeing there you go?

2264
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, less than fifty five time All Star for

2265
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 1: Kuhi made five ol NBA teams. He was selected to

2266
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:32,879
Speaker 1: the top seventy five team. One of the greatest defenders

2267
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:36,120
Speaker 1: at least on the wing perimeter that most people agree with.

2268
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 1: That got two Defensive Player of the Years to back

2269
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 1: that up in fifteen and sixteen. So Lee, is he locked?

2270
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, two finals. MVP's luck him in if nothing else,

2271
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:47,640
Speaker 4: fantastic two way player. He's another one who could end

2272
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:49,599
Speaker 4: up with more DPO wise as well, if he locks,

2273
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 4: and he's kind of eased up on the defense. I

2274
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 4: think in the last couple of years. Obviously he missed,

2275
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 4: you know, the entirety of last season there being to

2276
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 4: the finals of course with the Spurs lost one championship,

2277
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 4: one finals MVP, but the Raptors one is the is

2278
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:06,560
Speaker 4: the the Lebron Cleveland one because it was like the Raptors.

2279
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:08,560
Speaker 4: He didn't even want to go to the Raptors. He

2280
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,160
Speaker 4: goes there and then they beat the Warriors. Now, injuries

2281
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 4: played a factor, of course they always do. But Kawhi

2282
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:16,320
Speaker 4: Leonard goes to Toronto for one season, wins a championship,

2283
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:20,719
Speaker 4: wins finals MVP, and says, that's it. I'm done. Great,

2284
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 4: great player. Got tons of accolades, you know, individually, team wise,

2285
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 4: the seventy fifth anniversary, the defense. He is walking into

2286
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame tomorrow if he chooses to, if

2287
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 4: he chooses to show up, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe yeah.

2288
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 2: The huge cherry on top would be winning at home

2289
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:45,320
Speaker 2: Lake Lebron in Los Angeles for him, his home would

2290
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 2: be amazing because three finals MVPs with three different teams,

2291
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:54,840
Speaker 2: that's the stuff. Because he doesn't have the counting stats because,

2292
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 2: as you said, which blew my mind that he's only

2293
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 2: played forty nine more regular and games in NICOLEI Yoki,

2294
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 2: does that make sense anyway? But he has a ton

2295
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,520
Speaker 2: of the awards and the ton of the individual accolades,

2296
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:13,799
Speaker 2: and he has Toronto's heart. So yeah, seven time All Defense.

2297
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you can go up and down. He's done

2298
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 2: a lot in his career, even though you know it's

2299
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 2: it's a weird career.

2300
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:20,760
Speaker 1: It's a weird career.

2301
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 4: It is.

2302
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:23,479
Speaker 1: Trey says in the stream team, would he be a

2303
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 1: locked for the shortest Hall of Fame speech?

2304
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 2: That would be hilarious.

2305
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:35,000
Speaker 4: Thanks, just oh, it'd.

2306
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 1: Be great, Okayui Si Damian Lillard? He makes the top

2307
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 1: seventy five there, I think in my gut says he

2308
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 1: was likely one of the last names added to the

2309
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 1: top seventy five or top seventy six, but he was

2310
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 1: in there. He's six time All Stars, six time All

2311
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 1: NBA one Rookie of the Year. He's ever twenty five

2312
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: seven and four over a ten year career. That always

2313
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:55,560
Speaker 1: surprises me.

2314
01:46:57,360 --> 01:46:58,240
Speaker 2: But is he a lock?

2315
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 1: Does he need a deep run or a ring to

2316
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:01,599
Speaker 1: cement his statue?

2317
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 4: What do you think he's ended two playoff series with bombs,

2318
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:10,599
Speaker 4: but that's probably that's probably his most significant playoff success. Really, well,

2319
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 4: that's not bad if you've got that, No, I know,

2320
01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 4: I know, but the problem is those are early on

2321
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 4: in the in the playoffs, not you know, conference finals

2322
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 4: to get you into the championship. I mean, very good,

2323
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 4: consistent player, one of those guys. I do feels like

2324
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:24,640
Speaker 4: he is a legit star. He's just never quite had

2325
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:31,120
Speaker 4: that super number two beside him. Yes, he's he's I

2326
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 4: don't know why he would keep him out. He's got

2327
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 4: the All Star, he's got the All NBA, he's on

2328
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 4: the seventy fifth team. No great defense, you know, stats

2329
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 4: there to help. He's won. He certainly played for Team USA.

2330
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think how many times you've represented. So, yes,

2331
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:46,719
Speaker 4: he's a lock.

2332
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:54,840
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, I agree, I put him in, especially if

2333
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 2: he is a one team guy. He's going to get

2334
01:47:57,439 --> 01:47:59,680
Speaker 2: the Reggie Miller vote eventually.

2335
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:03,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, good ones, true, but Reggie made the finals.

2336
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:08,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Lillard's going to have more individual accolades than

2337
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:11,679
Speaker 2: rech Yeah, more All Stars. I mean, you know, Reggie

2338
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:14,000
Speaker 2: was playing with you know, with Jordan at the time,

2339
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:17,439
Speaker 2: but six All NBA, six time All start nothing to

2340
01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:21,360
Speaker 2: scoff at, very very solid. He is thirty two. He

2341
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 2: does say his best years are ahead of him after

2342
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 2: this abdomen injury where he took his time to get back.

2343
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:27,680
Speaker 2: So if you got if he gets a couple more

2344
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 2: years an eight time All Star, it's going to be

2345
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 2: hard to reject him.

2346
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so we have him ultimately as a lock.

2347
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:36,680
Speaker 1: His awards on his Basketball Reference page are just the

2348
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 1: most random collection. I just want to read them to you.

2349
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 1: He won, like I said, twenty twelve thirteen Rookie of

2350
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,759
Speaker 1: the Year. He won the eighteen nineteen J. Walter Kennedy

2351
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:48,880
Speaker 1: Citizenship Award. He was the nineteen twenty Player of the

2352
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:52,640
Speaker 1: Seeding Games over that. Wow, he got MVP of that,

2353
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:55,720
Speaker 1: and it's on Basketball Reference. He was the twenty twenty

2354
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 1: one Teammate of the Year, and then, as I said,

2355
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:01,240
Speaker 1: twenty one twenty two NBA seventy fifth Anniversary Team. That's

2356
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:05,599
Speaker 1: a that's five incredibly random accolades there on his Basketball

2357
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:08,600
Speaker 1: Reference page. But averaging twenty five points game over a

2358
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:12,960
Speaker 1: ten year career, and he's Scott probably a couple seasons left. Man,

2359
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 1: he gets a ring. That's like a no brainer. But

2360
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 1: I have him as a lock. And let's se what

2361
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 1: people think on that one. That one could be torn

2362
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:22,360
Speaker 1: a bit, that one's very tight. Oh my god. Forty

2363
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:25,680
Speaker 1: six percent saying lock, forty six percent saying maybe it's

2364
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 1: a Lillard tough one. All right, let's keep moving here.

2365
01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:32,000
Speaker 1: Kevin Love got the title gotta most improved, five time

2366
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:34,200
Speaker 1: All Star, made two All NBA squads, both second teams,

2367
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 1: average seventeen and eleven in his career. Kevin Love Locke

2368
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:37,519
Speaker 1: maybe not.

2369
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. He was on the way

2370
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 4: there in Minnesota, just purely on the numbers. He was

2371
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:44,680
Speaker 4: a beast, but he decided he wanted to go and

2372
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 4: win a championship, and he did. But he was third

2373
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 4: best player on that team. Good you know, good veteran player.

2374
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 4: But the numbers, while they've still been fairly solid over

2375
01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 4: these last few years here, have not been anywhere knee

2376
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 4: sort of impactful or dramatic on those Cleveland teams. I'm

2377
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 4: still surprised he's only ever played for two teams. It

2378
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:05,679
Speaker 4: feels like he's always in trade rumors and he would

2379
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 4: have bounced around to about five or six teams by now.

2380
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:10,120
Speaker 4: So what he did in his early days there in

2381
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 4: Minnesota that you know, he had the thirty thirty game,

2382
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 4: He averaged twenty and sort of fifteen for a good

2383
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:15,840
Speaker 4: couple of years there. Made that's when he sort of

2384
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 4: banked a couple of All Star appearances. He got, of

2385
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 4: course a couple more with Cleveland. But I don't think

2386
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 4: he's done enough throughout his career. He's going to fall

2387
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 4: well short of twenty thousand points. No, he's not in.

2388
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,439
Speaker 2: It's unfortunate, but I wouldn't put him in either. He

2389
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 2: doesn't have the counting stature, which is surprising. After he

2390
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:33,640
Speaker 2: had like a thirty thirty game in Minnesota, you think, oh,

2391
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 2: he just sucked up every point in every rebound and

2392
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 2: then but you know he has missed some time. Then

2393
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:41,680
Speaker 2: he went to Cleveland and he didn't really you know,

2394
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:45,720
Speaker 2: stamp his legacy in Cleveland, even though they won a championship.

2395
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 2: Like you know, you can call him the third best player,

2396
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 2: but he got played off the floor. He wasn't starting

2397
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:52,639
Speaker 2: in the finals at times, he didn't play every single

2398
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:56,719
Speaker 2: finals minute that he could and went with Richard Jefferson instead.

2399
01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:59,639
Speaker 2: At times. You know, I'm knocking the guy for having

2400
01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 2: a really good career, but it's not a Hall of

2401
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 2: Fame career. Now if he stays with one team and

2402
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:07,120
Speaker 2: just sucks up twenty thousand points, and maybe he's got

2403
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:07,840
Speaker 2: a better case.

2404
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:09,760
Speaker 1: But but he went and got that ship.

2405
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:11,519
Speaker 2: He did. Yeah, he did, and he did yeah, And

2406
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:14,679
Speaker 2: he's done a lot for players and being vocal about

2407
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 2: mental health. He's he's a he's a good dude and

2408
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:20,880
Speaker 2: a good advocate for a lot of things. But when

2409
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:25,839
Speaker 2: it comes down to the resume, I say, nayika.

2410
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:26,679
Speaker 1: Okay, he's not making it swish.

2411
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:26,840
Speaker 2: Though.

2412
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:28,560
Speaker 1: In the stream, team says Love should be in the

2413
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:31,400
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame for surviving all the trade rumors. His

2414
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:32,799
Speaker 1: name came up in a lot of trade.

2415
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,639
Speaker 2: Rumors over the years. Get traded for Klay Thompson. That's right,

2416
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 2: that's right.

2417
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry played the car. Yeah. Six time All Star,

2418
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:44,760
Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry, made one All NBA team, won a chip.

2419
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 1: He ranks eighty first all time and wind shares This

2420
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 1: guy top one hundred all the time. When you're getting

2421
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:55,679
Speaker 1: into that geeky stat but uh, counting stats relatively low.

2422
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 1: It took him a while to start his you know,

2423
01:51:59,200 --> 01:52:01,519
Speaker 1: the successful part of mbia career, bounce around a couple

2424
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:04,720
Speaker 1: of teams there, become an established players. What I'm saying, So,

2425
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:06,519
Speaker 1: what do you think on Lowry? Though?

2426
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:10,519
Speaker 4: The CHIP gives him a good chance. I think because

2427
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 4: he was huge for the second best player on that team, again,

2428
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:16,280
Speaker 4: doing it on the road against the Warriors. All those

2429
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:19,439
Speaker 4: things I think factor into it, you know. And he

2430
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:22,519
Speaker 4: is he the greatest Raptor of all time? I mean yes,

2431
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:25,400
Speaker 4: but I think this Vince is still higher in terms

2432
01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 4: of Raptors legends because of what Vince did. Don't think

2433
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:33,160
Speaker 4: he's got enough to get in. If the Raptors were

2434
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 4: to win another championship, then he's in for sure. But

2435
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:38,760
Speaker 4: is he going to play on that Well no, but

2436
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:41,479
Speaker 4: okay obviously not now. But I mean if no, I

2437
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:41,800
Speaker 4: like that.

2438
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 1: If the Raptors win a championship, low.

2439
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 4: He gets his number retired, maybe even a statue. But

2440
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:52,400
Speaker 4: don't think he's got enough of an individual case to

2441
01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 4: get himself in the Hall. Here.

2442
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:57,960
Speaker 2: Game one of the twenty nineteen finals gets him in. Sorry,

2443
01:52:58,200 --> 01:52:59,240
Speaker 2: Game one? What am I talking?

2444
01:52:59,479 --> 01:52:59,640
Speaker 4: I mean?

2445
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:02,960
Speaker 2: Six games? First quarter? The first quarter, Yeah, where he

2446
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:07,040
Speaker 2: he just took over Kawhi, took a back seat and

2447
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:08,639
Speaker 2: Lowry was their second best player.

2448
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 4: Uh.

2449
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:11,519
Speaker 2: And I like how you call him the second best

2450
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:13,439
Speaker 2: player because he was the second best player on championship

2451
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:17,599
Speaker 2: team despite Pascal Siakam having you know, that opening huge

2452
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:20,719
Speaker 2: game to start that series and scored more than Lowry

2453
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:23,080
Speaker 2: in that series. But I think Lowry was was their

2454
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:25,679
Speaker 2: second best player. You know, he's got the Chauncey Billups

2455
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:27,120
Speaker 2: thing going on where it took him a while, as

2456
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:32,360
Speaker 2: you said, Uh, and they they found a beautiful gem

2457
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:35,200
Speaker 2: there in Houston with a first round pick. The Raptors

2458
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:37,200
Speaker 2: did trade a first round pick for him, and wow,

2459
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 2: you know he was he was bouncing around button heads

2460
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,920
Speaker 2: with coaches and then it worked out with Dwayne Casey.

2461
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 2: He's got he's got the resume. I understand why you

2462
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 2: wouldn't want him in because of you know, he's not

2463
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 2: your typical All Star or typical Hall of Famer, but

2464
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:56,240
Speaker 2: he's the guy you want on your team, right.

2465
01:53:56,720 --> 01:53:59,600
Speaker 1: Dad Sass says all seriousness. I love Lowry. I'm not

2466
01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 1: gonna use logic or thought.

2467
01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:02,519
Speaker 2: Fuck. I love that.

2468
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 1: I was surprised and Rob brought this up in his article. Lowry,

2469
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:10,000
Speaker 1: according to Basketball References, Hall of Fame probability eighty five

2470
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 1: point seven, which is twelfth among active players in that category.

2471
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 1: I did not think it was going to be that

2472
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:18,799
Speaker 1: high at ranks eighty ninth all time, which has Billups

2473
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:22,679
Speaker 1: just behind him. And I've always said there is no bigger,

2474
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, someone cheering more for Billups to get into

2475
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:27,439
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, because I think if Bill Ups

2476
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 1: get in, gets in. I think Kyle Lowry eventually gets in,

2477
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,920
Speaker 1: but until that happens, it probably won't. But that's just

2478
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:36,600
Speaker 1: that's just nuts because every Hall eligible, eligible player ahead

2479
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:39,920
Speaker 1: of Lowry is in to the Hall of Fame except

2480
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 1: Larry Faust heads out there. Yeah, so I think I

2481
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:47,480
Speaker 1: have him, Literally, I'm gonna say maybe, because it's going

2482
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 1: to depend on other guys getting in. Like there's no

2483
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:51,160
Speaker 1: way he's a first team All NBA or a Hall

2484
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:54,360
Speaker 1: of Famer, but god, he's He is a winner and

2485
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 1: like I said, like ranking that high in wind Shares

2486
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:58,800
Speaker 1: also surprised me. Won a lot of games and his

2487
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 1: and his career started slow with Memphis Saint Houston. Yeah,

2488
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:03,280
Speaker 1: big chunk of it here.

2489
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 2: What happens here with Miami? Pat Riley called him fat essentially, Yeah,

2490
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:10,160
Speaker 2: he's in shape, he should be right, and that was

2491
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:12,120
Speaker 2: a number one seed last year. The East is so

2492
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:17,280
Speaker 2: interesting with Milwaukee, Boston the heat or sort of an

2493
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,920
Speaker 2: afterthought right now, and Philly there as well. Those four

2494
01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:22,400
Speaker 2: should be fighting up. But if Jimmy Butler has a

2495
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:25,680
Speaker 2: legit number you know, two B player whatever you want

2496
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:28,840
Speaker 2: to call, Kyle Lowry in shape and ready to go,

2497
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:30,480
Speaker 2: they should be a number one seed again. Yeah, they

2498
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:33,560
Speaker 2: could be because they'll be fighting unlike you know the Bucks. Anyway,

2499
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:34,360
Speaker 2: good good.

2500
01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 1: Poll results here, twenty five percent say lock for Lowry,

2501
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:39,480
Speaker 1: thirty eight percent maybe thirty six percent NA, So it's

2502
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:43,000
Speaker 1: cross the board. Chris Paul twelve time All Star, eleven

2503
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:46,840
Speaker 1: time All NBA player, nine All defensive teams, despite being

2504
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:49,840
Speaker 1: what not even six feet tall? Probably he's listed a

2505
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 1: six feet probably not that he was voted top seventy five.

2506
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:53,920
Speaker 1: He's a lock yep bang bang bang bang bang.

2507
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, yeah, no problem.

2508
01:55:56,280 --> 01:55:57,360
Speaker 1: Let the league and steal.

2509
01:55:57,200 --> 01:56:00,200
Speaker 4: Six times finished runner up MVP. You know white, Oh

2510
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:00,680
Speaker 4: there you go.

2511
01:56:01,240 --> 01:56:05,760
Speaker 1: Rondo, four time All Star, four time All defensive player,

2512
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:11,960
Speaker 1: sniffed one All NBA team in eleven twelve. Has two titles,

2513
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:13,720
Speaker 1: one with the Celtics, one.

2514
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 4: With the Lakers.

2515
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:17,520
Speaker 2: The only players, the only player to ever do that. Right,

2516
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:20,120
Speaker 2: is that right? Title with the Celtics and the Lakers.

2517
01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a three time assist champ. He's got a

2518
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:25,560
Speaker 1: steals you know title to his name. What do you

2519
01:56:25,640 --> 01:56:27,920
Speaker 1: think career averages of nine point eight points per game,

2520
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:30,480
Speaker 1: seven point nine assists per game, and four point five rebounds?

2521
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 1: Can can playoff Rondo get in? Maybe just playoff Rondo

2522
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:33,960
Speaker 1: goes in?

2523
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he can't get in. I mean, look the

2524
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:38,720
Speaker 4: common denominated with Rondo. When he was on good teams,

2525
01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:40,400
Speaker 4: he tried hard. When he was on bad teams, he

2526
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:42,200
Speaker 4: quit and he quit on the Celtics, he quit on

2527
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:44,400
Speaker 4: the MAVs. Heqult on the Kings, he quit on Team USA.

2528
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:48,560
Speaker 4: Those stats you say about leading the league in assist

2529
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:52,760
Speaker 4: I mean the ultimate like selfishly unselfish guy who just

2530
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:55,960
Speaker 4: patted his stats when he did that. This guy, but

2531
01:56:56,280 --> 01:56:59,080
Speaker 4: I'm saying that as well, like he when he was

2532
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:02,560
Speaker 4: on good teams, I'm going to try hard. When when

2533
01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:04,960
Speaker 4: the after the big three left, he's like, I don't

2534
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:06,880
Speaker 4: play defense anymore. He goes to the MAVs. He couldn't

2535
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 4: even fit into the MAVs. They gave up the first

2536
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:11,680
Speaker 4: round pick to get him. So he's a quitter. I don't.

2537
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:13,840
Speaker 4: I don't really think that playoff roundo who had some

2538
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:17,560
Speaker 4: success on the Big three team is enough to get

2539
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:20,560
Speaker 4: in there. And what did you say? Nine point eight

2540
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:23,360
Speaker 4: points per game and seven assists eaten four and a half.

2541
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:26,720
Speaker 4: So he got he was lucky to get a few

2542
01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:28,680
Speaker 4: of those All Star nods. He was a replacement player

2543
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:33,400
Speaker 4: at one point when Josh Smith never forgets if you

2544
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:36,800
Speaker 4: were a replacement player, if there's no question, I have

2545
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:39,520
Speaker 4: a personal bias answer. I don't like him. I don't

2546
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:42,680
Speaker 4: think he's anywhere near the sort of get the recognition

2547
01:57:42,720 --> 01:57:45,280
Speaker 4: he gets. I don't think it's deserved because if he

2548
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 4: wasn't with Garnette, Rondo and Piers Garnette, Allen and Pierce

2549
01:57:49,200 --> 01:57:51,360
Speaker 4: him by himself pointing out he was.

2550
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 1: Pretty exceptional in a lot of those playoff series though

2551
01:57:53,800 --> 01:57:56,760
Speaker 1: in games, but again he was with elite with three

2552
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:58,280
Speaker 1: hole of feamsxact, but he was great.

2553
01:57:58,440 --> 01:58:01,080
Speaker 4: He was the fourth option. So no one's defense was

2554
01:58:01,120 --> 01:58:03,240
Speaker 4: like a star general. Yeah, but no one's like, we

2555
01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:05,200
Speaker 4: gotta we gotta shut down Runda. You gotta shut down

2556
01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:07,560
Speaker 4: gun It. You gotta shout down piece ray Allen's Atlern

2557
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:09,560
Speaker 4: the prim to say someone had to benefit and he

2558
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:13,240
Speaker 4: did by passing them the ball. So no, he doesn't

2559
01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:13,800
Speaker 4: get in at all.

2560
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:15,000
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think?

2561
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he gets in. I don't think

2562
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:21,360
Speaker 2: he has the the resume. It's just a it comes

2563
01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:24,880
Speaker 2: up short, and I just want to correct myself slightly.

2564
01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:27,960
Speaker 2: Rondo one with the Celtics and the Lakers. He is

2565
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 2: the only one to win with the Celtics and the

2566
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:34,440
Speaker 2: Los Angeles Lakers. But Clyde love Lit one with Minnieapolis,

2567
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:42,600
Speaker 2: the actual state with Lakes when Minneapolis had the Lakers.

2568
01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:43,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think he makes it.

2569
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:46,280
Speaker 1: I will bring up this comment here in the stream

2570
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:48,400
Speaker 1: team I know we're running along. Sorry JD. You like

2571
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:51,240
Speaker 1: to catch But truth Bearer says Lee, your point is

2572
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:53,720
Speaker 1: silly because you could use the same argument against Draymond

2573
01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:57,200
Speaker 1: Green being the third fourth best player out on the

2574
01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 1: floor on obviously a championship team.

2575
01:59:00,760 --> 01:59:02,760
Speaker 4: There's no way Rundo had the same impact that Draymond

2576
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:04,280
Speaker 4: Green's had on his work. That's why wanted to bring

2577
01:59:04,280 --> 01:59:07,840
Speaker 4: it up to absolutely not even a debate. Draymond Green

2578
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:13,280
Speaker 4: defensively was significantly impactful on those scens. Rondo, again, I

2579
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:16,240
Speaker 4: respect the fact that he did have some big games,

2580
01:59:16,240 --> 01:59:19,280
Speaker 4: there's no doubt about it. But because of those other

2581
01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:22,040
Speaker 4: three guys on his team, Draymond made his own presence

2582
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:26,960
Speaker 4: felt because of himself, right Whereas you know Rondo coming down,

2583
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:28,800
Speaker 4: you know, pass the ball and he started the break.

2584
01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:30,480
Speaker 4: He was a good rebounder in his early days. There

2585
01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:30,680
Speaker 4: like that.

2586
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:33,800
Speaker 1: But there is Rondo is keen on record saying like

2587
01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:35,520
Speaker 1: we would have never won a title with it right now.

2588
01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:36,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know.

2589
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:38,840
Speaker 1: Maybe he was high on them. Yeah, I bet that team,

2590
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:40,880
Speaker 1: But I mean my point is Korea has definitely gone

2591
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:42,680
Speaker 1: on record and said, like, we're not winning these teams

2592
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:43,240
Speaker 1: without Dreamond.

2593
01:59:43,680 --> 01:59:45,320
Speaker 4: He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was interesting.

2594
01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah for a second, Green is their defense? Yeah,

2595
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:51,640
Speaker 2: you know, he he was that half of the floor,

2596
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:53,600
Speaker 2: you know. So I think like it makes and uh

2597
01:59:53,960 --> 01:59:55,320
Speaker 2: makes sense why Kree would see that.

2598
01:59:56,280 --> 01:59:57,880
Speaker 4: I mean, have you ever seen Rondo as well, by

2599
01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:00,600
Speaker 4: the way, offensively take over a game and start scoring post. Now,

2600
02:00:00,680 --> 02:00:03,760
Speaker 4: Draymon doesn't do that, but Draymond's impact on the offensive

2601
02:00:03,880 --> 02:00:06,840
Speaker 4: end was still significant. And that's the thing with Rondo

2602
02:00:07,160 --> 02:00:09,520
Speaker 4: benefited because he had all those other players ran and

2603
02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:14,880
Speaker 4: whereas Draymond impacted those other guys in a more definitive way.

2604
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:18,440
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well forty three percent saying nah, Rondo's not

2605
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:21,080
Speaker 1: making the Hall. Thirty three percent maybe twenty four percent?

2606
02:00:21,160 --> 02:00:21,640
Speaker 2: Lock? Okay.

2607
02:00:22,360 --> 02:00:25,400
Speaker 1: From one Celtics legend to another. Jason Tatum, he's only

2608
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:29,200
Speaker 1: played five seasons. He's already played in thirteen playoff series. Yeah, okay,

2609
02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:31,400
Speaker 1: It's been to three All Star Games, made two All

2610
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:35,240
Speaker 1: NBA teams. He won the inaugural Eastern Conference Finals.

2611
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:35,640
Speaker 4: MVP.

2612
02:00:35,960 --> 02:00:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're going to star accounting leads.

2613
02:00:37,320 --> 02:00:38,720
Speaker 4: You know, we didn't bring it up for career.

2614
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:42,520
Speaker 1: But Jason Tatum too soon? Is he a maybe he's

2615
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:45,240
Speaker 1: on the right trajectory like a Bookers you go to start. Yeah.

2616
02:00:45,240 --> 02:00:48,440
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of the right person to compare

2617
02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:52,240
Speaker 2: him to is Luca in a way, extremely early in

2618
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:56,200
Speaker 2: his career, but he's going to get there very very soon.

2619
02:00:56,280 --> 02:01:00,400
Speaker 2: A lot of playoff success now, you know, Luke has had,

2620
02:01:01,040 --> 02:01:03,400
Speaker 2: you know, been the number one on his team even

2621
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:05,240
Speaker 2: shorter amount of time. But yeah, the fact that he's

2622
02:01:05,240 --> 02:01:07,960
Speaker 2: only played five freaking season, he's twenty four. You know,

2623
02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:10,440
Speaker 2: it's a little early, but you know, I think I

2624
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:14,040
Speaker 2: think pretty soon we'll be saying, yes, you know, a

2625
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:15,960
Speaker 2: couple of years from now, we'll be saying he's a lost.

2626
02:01:16,040 --> 02:01:17,360
Speaker 1: So you're leaning towards lock.

2627
02:01:17,480 --> 02:01:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, five years and if a career and

2628
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:24,040
Speaker 2: then now no, okay, not with what he's got, but yeah,

2629
02:01:24,120 --> 02:01:25,200
Speaker 2: damn Rick, he's going to be it.

2630
02:01:25,560 --> 02:01:28,520
Speaker 4: Okay, Leah, yeah, today, No, but I think he does

2631
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:31,080
Speaker 4: get in there because he's already played, as you mentioned,

2632
02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:33,360
Speaker 4: the playoffs, he's already played almost a season of playoff

2633
02:01:33,400 --> 02:01:37,240
Speaker 4: games through five seventy four games, and he's put up

2634
02:01:37,320 --> 02:01:39,320
Speaker 4: pretty good numbers in those as well, twenty three points

2635
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:41,400
Speaker 4: a game. He had that huge banger on Lebron. Of course,

2636
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:43,760
Speaker 4: rookie Jason Tatum there, so he may end up with

2637
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:46,000
Speaker 4: the most playoff games ever. You know who still holds

2638
02:01:46,040 --> 02:01:50,880
Speaker 4: the record, Fisher. Yeah, yeah, so two hundred and fifty nine.

2639
02:01:50,920 --> 02:01:53,040
Speaker 4: I think it is there for Fisher. So Tatum is

2640
02:01:53,640 --> 02:01:57,839
Speaker 4: clearly on his way. There's no doubt he's an MVP candidate.

2641
02:01:58,120 --> 02:02:01,760
Speaker 4: He has performed in the playoffs. Uh, He's gonna get

2642
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:03,040
Speaker 4: there if he studies healthy.

2643
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:06,000
Speaker 1: There's a reason why Ben Golliver and Andrew Sharp called

2644
02:02:06,040 --> 02:02:08,720
Speaker 1: Tatum twelve time Tatum right from the jump, twelve time

2645
02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:11,200
Speaker 1: Tatum meaning he's gonna make twelve All Star Games or

2646
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:15,080
Speaker 1: twelve All NBA. So he's uh, sort of on his

2647
02:02:15,160 --> 02:02:18,560
Speaker 1: way to that that Moniker. I mean, I'm leaning towards me,

2648
02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:21,160
Speaker 1: like I'm saying maybe right now. I can't say, like

2649
02:02:21,200 --> 02:02:23,840
Speaker 1: if it was over like you, you made the case,

2650
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:26,320
Speaker 1: if Luken never played another game, you might even be like, damn,

2651
02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:27,880
Speaker 1: he still might be in the whole of fame, especially

2652
02:02:27,880 --> 02:02:30,600
Speaker 1: when you include the international play. Yeah, but like you're

2653
02:02:30,640 --> 02:02:34,320
Speaker 1: not gonna say that for Tatum. So, but are you

2654
02:02:34,360 --> 02:02:35,560
Speaker 1: guys going I just need to know so I can

2655
02:02:35,640 --> 02:02:37,680
Speaker 1: put on the list both locks. Though you feel so

2656
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:41,960
Speaker 1: confident and sure luck me in No, I'm not looking him, Okay,

2657
02:02:41,960 --> 02:02:44,200
Speaker 1: you're maybe Okay, Okay, we'll get to maybe next Okay, Okay,

2658
02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:46,960
Speaker 1: I think that's right. Sixty three percent say maybe. So

2659
02:02:47,360 --> 02:02:49,760
Speaker 1: we're all basically on the same page with Tatum, I

2660
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:52,920
Speaker 1: mean yeah, but one or two more deep runs in

2661
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:55,600
Speaker 1: the postseason, maybe a chip, I mean be interesting. If

2662
02:02:55,600 --> 02:02:57,040
Speaker 1: he had won the title this year over the Warriors,

2663
02:02:57,080 --> 02:02:57,760
Speaker 1: would we run up?

2664
02:02:57,880 --> 02:02:58,960
Speaker 4: Should have been three went up.

2665
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, he's maybe from now Claye Thompson, another Warriors player.

2666
02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:05,200
Speaker 1: This is our fourth Warriors player. When do we get

2667
02:03:05,240 --> 02:03:10,280
Speaker 1: into Looney four time champ Okay Clay two time NBA,

2668
02:03:10,360 --> 02:03:14,040
Speaker 1: five time all start four championships with the Warriors. Robbed

2669
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:17,240
Speaker 1: of two consecutive seasons with the knee injury and then

2670
02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:20,200
Speaker 1: the Achilles injury, he probably well, he would have been

2671
02:03:20,240 --> 02:03:22,480
Speaker 1: easily over fifteen thousand points had he played in those

2672
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:25,040
Speaker 1: two seasons. But he's but he's not. That's what Reference has.

2673
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:28,240
Speaker 1: His probability has seventy percent, like maybe or.

2674
02:03:28,280 --> 02:03:31,200
Speaker 4: Not for Lock Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's getting in these

2675
02:03:31,320 --> 02:03:34,840
Speaker 4: these championships. Get him in there. He's had those incredible

2676
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:37,360
Speaker 4: moments of thirty seven point quarter, the sixty point game

2677
02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:39,560
Speaker 4: with what nine dribbles or whatever it was.

2678
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:41,920
Speaker 1: It does have a kinic Clay, Yeah, he does, and

2679
02:03:43,400 --> 02:03:44,560
Speaker 1: records just.

2680
02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:46,600
Speaker 4: One of those games. Along with Steph, they've changed the

2681
02:03:46,640 --> 02:03:49,240
Speaker 4: game the way the three pointer is and Clay's been

2682
02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:50,560
Speaker 4: a huge part of that. He's going to be a

2683
02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:53,160
Speaker 4: one team guy most likely, perhaps maybe at the end

2684
02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:54,840
Speaker 4: of his career he bounces to a team or two.

2685
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:57,960
Speaker 4: But Clay's going to have the weight of the finals

2686
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:01,800
Speaker 4: appearances and the championships. Know, I mean that that's enough

2687
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:05,240
Speaker 4: to get you in when you know, no one's expecting

2688
02:04:06,040 --> 02:04:07,520
Speaker 4: Clay to go out there and change his game and

2689
02:04:07,600 --> 02:04:10,200
Speaker 4: become a better passer, and like he's out there because

2690
02:04:10,240 --> 02:04:13,440
Speaker 4: he's just such a threat from three point range every

2691
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:16,720
Speaker 4: time he's on the court, and he's performed, He's performed

2692
02:04:16,760 --> 02:04:17,320
Speaker 4: in the playoffs.

2693
02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:19,440
Speaker 1: So he was a great defensive player. Oh yeah, I

2694
02:04:19,480 --> 02:04:20,120
Speaker 1: know that's falling off.

2695
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:22,520
Speaker 4: That's underrated as well. I think people sort of overlook that.

2696
02:04:22,640 --> 02:04:25,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, Clay is a lock.

2697
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:28,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I agree, he's a lock. If he can come

2698
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:30,760
Speaker 2: back from what he came back from, then he's going

2699
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:33,680
Speaker 2: to play another five years easily, and he's going to

2700
02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:37,160
Speaker 2: get probably to that twenty thousand point mark, I do believe.

2701
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:41,280
Speaker 1: And yes, he'll be what second old time and three

2702
02:04:41,320 --> 02:04:44,000
Speaker 1: pointers made and game six Clay is a thing that.

2703
02:04:44,200 --> 02:04:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, a key, key, key guy on four

2704
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:50,640
Speaker 2: championship teams. I don't think he'll show up for his

2705
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:53,360
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame speech. I think he'll be on the boat.

2706
02:04:53,680 --> 02:04:57,400
Speaker 2: We'll see you know, yeah, yeah, you'll send in a

2707
02:04:57,480 --> 02:05:00,600
Speaker 2: video the captain. The captain will say, ended in but

2708
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:05,000
Speaker 2: even though he doesn't have some of the accumulative stats

2709
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:09,200
Speaker 2: because of those injuries, Clay is, you know, the perfect

2710
02:05:09,200 --> 02:05:11,080
Speaker 2: shooting guard. I didn't think it was going to happen

2711
02:05:11,240 --> 02:05:15,280
Speaker 2: when his career early on, but he became such a really,

2712
02:05:15,720 --> 02:05:18,640
Speaker 2: really good defensive player, perfect compliment to Steph Curry beside him.

2713
02:05:18,760 --> 02:05:20,920
Speaker 1: Nearly eighty percent of the people in the stream team

2714
02:05:21,080 --> 02:05:24,120
Speaker 1: voting saying he's a lock plays in. I'm with you, guys,

2715
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:26,840
Speaker 1: and of a lot of these guys on the list,

2716
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:30,400
Speaker 1: I would not be shocked at all. Clay just played

2717
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:33,080
Speaker 1: until he's like, oh yeah, forty two, you know, just

2718
02:05:33,320 --> 02:05:37,520
Speaker 1: like just bombing away out there, because he seems to

2719
02:05:37,640 --> 02:05:39,800
Speaker 1: just be like an NBA sicko or a basketball cicico,

2720
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:42,760
Speaker 1: and just keep keep playing, keep getting paid. But we'll

2721
02:05:42,760 --> 02:05:46,880
Speaker 1: see two more. We'rell was done. Russell Westbrook okay a lot.

2722
02:05:47,080 --> 02:05:48,800
Speaker 1: I know he's a polarizing player, but he's a nine

2723
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:50,800
Speaker 1: time All Star, nine time All NBA won, an MVP.

2724
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:52,680
Speaker 1: He's on the top seventy five, you know, the only

2725
02:05:52,720 --> 02:05:55,160
Speaker 1: player to average a triple double in four separate seasons.

2726
02:05:56,720 --> 02:05:58,480
Speaker 4: It was five Indian wasn't was it five?

2727
02:05:59,320 --> 02:06:01,120
Speaker 1: But the first season he did, he led the league

2728
02:06:01,160 --> 02:06:01,480
Speaker 1: in scoring.

2729
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:01,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2730
02:06:01,720 --> 02:06:02,960
Speaker 1: The other time he did it, he led the league

2731
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:05,720
Speaker 1: and assists. So Russ lock him.

2732
02:06:05,640 --> 02:06:10,800
Speaker 2: In, you bet you absolutely, yeah, absolutely lock him in.

2733
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:14,120
Speaker 2: I hope he has a few more years here to

2734
02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:17,400
Speaker 2: to lengthen out his career, you know, add onto those

2735
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:20,360
Speaker 2: stats because he's he's thirty three. He's gonna be thirty

2736
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:23,960
Speaker 2: four when the season gets going, basically in November, so

2737
02:06:24,680 --> 02:06:26,680
Speaker 2: canad Can he pad the stats a little bit? He

2738
02:06:26,760 --> 02:06:28,920
Speaker 2: could behind if he hangdles out, We'll give it a go.

2739
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:31,160
Speaker 2: If he's yeah, if it's allowed to, If he's allowed to,

2740
02:06:31,560 --> 02:06:33,000
Speaker 2: I just hope he has you know, a little bit

2741
02:06:33,000 --> 02:06:35,560
Speaker 2: of a different career arc, you know, the mellow thing

2742
02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:39,000
Speaker 2: that we've talked about. He's in. He's in obviously today, tomorrow,

2743
02:06:39,120 --> 02:06:39,600
Speaker 2: the next day.

2744
02:06:39,680 --> 02:06:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but his trays brought up many times. It's more

2745
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:44,880
Speaker 1: likely he's going the Iverson route. Yeah, at the end

2746
02:06:44,920 --> 02:06:47,200
Speaker 1: of a career where I ain't changing and everyone's like,

2747
02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:49,400
Speaker 1: well then sorry, it's not going to work here anymore

2748
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:52,560
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, these and less likely takes on a

2749
02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:56,880
Speaker 1: mellow roll, a Vince Carter role and of whatever. Okay,

2750
02:06:56,880 --> 02:06:57,760
Speaker 1: but you got him and he's a locker.

2751
02:06:57,920 --> 02:06:59,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're right four times you ever just tripled

2752
02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:03,120
Speaker 4: up that one there in Washington. But the nine time

2753
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:06,400
Speaker 4: all All NBA stuff, I mean.

2754
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:07,360
Speaker 1: That's a lot.

2755
02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2756
02:07:07,960 --> 02:07:09,240
Speaker 4: He was a beast. It was a beast. It was

2757
02:07:09,320 --> 02:07:12,240
Speaker 4: just unfortunate. You know that Russ has had the last

2758
02:07:12,280 --> 02:07:14,160
Speaker 4: couple of seasons but things haven't gone quite as well.

2759
02:07:14,160 --> 02:07:16,840
Speaker 4: And those early Thunder teams, I mean, you know, they

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Speaker 4: made the finals and they were leading them heat in

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Speaker 4: the finals at one point there, so it could have been.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy, what if. Yeah, for sure that

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Speaker 1: young Thunder team with your three MVPs there go on

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02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:31,040
Speaker 1: to get that Jim Yep final one. Tree Young, I

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02:07:31,120 --> 02:07:33,200
Speaker 1: put him on this list because you know, we got

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Speaker 1: Luca at least getting consideration, in hell, getting locked from

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02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:39,880
Speaker 1: some of us. So Tree Young, two time All Star,

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02:07:40,640 --> 02:07:42,720
Speaker 1: made the All NBA team in twenty one twenty two.

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02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:45,040
Speaker 1: He's only played four seasons, just like Luca. Of course,

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Speaker 1: career averages though they're basically Lillard like twenty five, nine

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Speaker 1: and four. He led the league in total points and

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02:07:53,160 --> 02:07:57,720
Speaker 1: total assists last year. But where do you put him locked?

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Speaker 4: Maybe now? Well not today. He's not a lock now maybe,

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02:08:00,840 --> 02:08:03,680
Speaker 4: and likely had some really good playoff moments as well

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02:08:03,800 --> 02:08:05,760
Speaker 4: in so far in his career, you know, some huge

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02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:08,960
Speaker 4: moments in fact, but too early, far, too early to

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Speaker 4: say he's a lock. So no, maybe, yeah, yeah, maybe, sure.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, he's not there quite yet. It is fun to

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Speaker 2: have this debate with Luca for his entire career, because

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Speaker 2: it's gone in Trey's favor and then it's gone in

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02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:27,600
Speaker 2: Lucas favorite. When Tray was bowing in Madison Square Down,

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02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:29,840
Speaker 2: the title was Trey's look at his now? Who won

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02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:32,839
Speaker 2: this trade? Now? And then Luca goes onto a conference

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02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:35,280
Speaker 2: finals this year, Well, Trey is at home with his

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02:08:35,400 --> 02:08:35,880
Speaker 2: Hawks team.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I was it Cam Reddish. They got that

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Speaker 4: extra draft pick, because remember the MAVs had to throw

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Speaker 4: on an extra draft pick. I think it was Cam

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Speaker 4: Reddish maybe not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds right.

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02:08:45,720 --> 02:08:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the number ten pick. Yeah, I ended up.

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Speaker 2: It's weird. You know, they traded that back to the Knicks.

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02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:53,280
Speaker 4: And Kevin Knox. He's on the Piston, so.

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02:08:53,480 --> 02:08:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cam Redis wants out. Potentially I believed in Cam.

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02:08:57,120 --> 02:08:58,920
Speaker 2: But anyways, I do believe Trey Young will have a

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame career when all the sending right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, uh for now though he's not in, So that's it.

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Speaker 1: I gave you, I believe thirty three names. I said,

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Speaker 1: we have nineteen of them. I think if I've counted

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Speaker 1: this up quickly, nineteen is locks okay, Joannis Carmelo, Anthony,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler, Steph Curry, Anthony Davis, Luka, Doncic, Kevin Durant,

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Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert, Draymond Green, James Harden, Dwight Howard, Kyrie Irving, Lebron,

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Speaker 1: James Jokic, Kawhi, Leonard Lillard, CP three, Klay Thompson and

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Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook feel decent about that? Oh yeah, yeah, you

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02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:37,760
Speaker 1: don't make any any changes. No, not great because we

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Speaker 1: have no time left. Yeah, this is one of the

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Speaker 1: longer No Dunk episodes. This if we started at normal talk, Yes, right,

2808
02:09:46,080 --> 02:09:48,480
Speaker 1: very very long. Our man JD's got a flight to catch.

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02:09:48,840 --> 02:09:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean his house is still a construction zone, so

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Speaker 1: we will start wrapping it up here. Thanks to everybody

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Speaker 1: voting away in the polls. Shout up to TK two

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Speaker 1: for helping us out with that. That's a lot of fun.

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02:09:57,280 --> 02:09:59,800
Speaker 1: It's always nice little button to put on each one.

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Speaker 1: See what the people think, whether they agree, disagree, sound

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02:10:03,640 --> 02:10:06,560
Speaker 1: off in the YouTube comments sections. Let us know on

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02:10:06,640 --> 02:10:09,120
Speaker 1: Twitter at No Dunk Sync your thoughts on some of

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02:10:09,160 --> 02:10:11,600
Speaker 1: the people we maybe said were Hall of Fame locks

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02:10:11,720 --> 02:10:13,560
Speaker 1: or ones that didn't make the cut. Maybe some names

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02:10:13,680 --> 02:10:16,080
Speaker 1: that we didn't even address. What about this guy? We're

2820
02:10:16,120 --> 02:10:18,320
Speaker 1: not gonna do it right now, but you play what

2821
02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:21,080
Speaker 1: about this guy in the common section. That's it for us,

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02:10:22,120 --> 02:10:24,560
Speaker 1: probably for this week, though we'll have some fun little content.

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Speaker 1: You said, euro Basketball obviously getting into the semifinals here,

2824
02:10:28,120 --> 02:10:31,160
Speaker 1: and the WNBA going on, try doing a great job

2825
02:10:31,200 --> 02:10:33,720
Speaker 1: with those little shorts, those little one minute recaps. Looks

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02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:36,680
Speaker 1: like the Aces are gonna win this. Yeah, and no

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02:10:36,760 --> 02:10:38,720
Speaker 1: team has ever come back down to oh there, I

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02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:41,280
Speaker 1: believe in the in the w NBA finals, So the

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Speaker 1: Ace is probably gonna win that. But yeah, we'll be

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Speaker 1: back at some point later this week, maybe some top

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02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:47,120
Speaker 1: shot hot boy as well, and if not, you'll see

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02:10:47,160 --> 02:10:49,440
Speaker 1: us next week. And we are getting real close to

2833
02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:53,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of the NBA sort of like season preview

2834
02:10:53,200 --> 02:10:58,360
Speaker 1: type stuff over unders, talking awards, going through teams, the

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Speaker 1: sicko stuff for being all right, guys, great to see you.

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Speaker 1: Shout up everybody out there joining us on the stream team.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, Clipper bros. You heard it here first,

2838
02:11:07,480 --> 02:11:10,280
Speaker 1: have a great time, turn up. Love you guys, awesome,

2839
02:11:10,760 --> 02:11:12,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for caving, thanks.

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02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:15,120
Speaker 2: For hearing, thanks for joining us, and remember we gotta go.

2841
02:11:15,560 --> 02:11:19,120
Speaker 2: I no time for a quote. We really got to go.

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02:11:19,240 --> 02:11:20,920
Speaker 2: JD's got a plane to catch. Good luck.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we will allow you to listen to this podcast

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02:11:23,480 --> 02:11:25,520
Speaker 1: at two x speed. Okay, this is the only No

2845
02:11:25,680 --> 02:11:27,680
Speaker 1: Dunks one you're allowed to listen to at to x speed.

2846
02:11:28,040 --> 02:11:30,160
Speaker 1: Embrace the week and weekend and all that stuff. People,

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02:11:30,160 --> 02:11:30,960
Speaker 1: wll see you when we see it.