1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to America's now, Mr garbutsch Off, tear down this wall. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Either you're with us or you were with the terrorists. 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: If you've got healthcare already, then you can keep your plan. 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: If you are satisfied Willia Trump is not the president 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: of the United States, take it to a bank. Together, 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: we will make America great again. We'll never sharender. It's 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton, with 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: America now joined the conversation called Buck toll free at 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: nine hundred two, eight to five, sharp mind, strong voice, 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton, welcome everybody. Thank you so much for being here. 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: Another Churchill quote. We have a Churchill quote at the 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: top of the show, as you of course know from 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: listening to it. But this is not the end. It's 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: not even the beginning of the end. It perhaps it 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: is the end of the of the beginning of repeal 17 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: and replace of Obamacare, um, the replacement of President Obama's 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: signature domestic law, domestic achievement with something else. Although and 19 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: we will get into many of the details today on 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: the show. My friends, Uh, there's some fair question to 21 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: be asked us to whether or not it even counts 22 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: as a repeal. I think that is one thing to 23 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: keep in mind. It leaves intact some aspects of Obamacare, 24 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: so it is not Obamacare no longer exists. It's just 25 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: Obamacare is being changed and changed in some in some 26 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: powerful ways. I I think, um, but this also is 27 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: not a done deal. I'm a big believer in life 28 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: that you should avoid celebrating too early. This is a 29 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: mantra that I live by. Because you want to get 30 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: excited about an accomplishment and achievement, whether it's yours or 31 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: those around you, but you always wait till it's done. 32 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: This is just like in show business. All of my 33 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: my peers that work in what we'd roughly call media 34 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: won't talk about a contract until it's signed. You know, 35 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: even when the offer is made, you might be offered 36 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: a job, But until you have an actionable, legally binding 37 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: contract with the signatures of all necessary parties on it, 38 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: you can't really go out and pound a bunch of 39 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: Margarita's or drink some champagne or whatever it is. If 40 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: you're me, have some gluten free chicken tenders with some 41 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: form of a oli and perhaps a piece of dark chocolate, 42 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: although not all together because that would be kind of 43 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: gross or or amazing, depending on how you look at it. 44 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: But you don't want to celebrate too early. And with this, 45 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned that the celebration out stripping the 46 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: reality of where we are on all of this. Um. 47 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: President Trump is saying that this is a repeal and 48 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: replace of Obamacare, and this is make no mistake, This 49 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: is a repeal and a replace of Obamacare, make no 50 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: mistake about it. Uh. I mean, technically we're gonna fact 51 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: check that one. Um, I'm not sure we could call 52 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: it a a true repeal. Now they're they're calling it 53 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: a repeal, so sure I get that, but they're keeping 54 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: parts of it. So let's let me give you the 55 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: before I get into the what this means and what 56 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: this means for you and for me. That's that's what 57 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: I really care about. Will this make our lives easier? 58 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: Will it make health care more accessible? Will we be 59 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: in a better position, uh to get the care that 60 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: we want for ourselves, for our families, or does it 61 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: make it make it more dif that's what this is 62 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: really all about. Unlike some other areas of policy that 63 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: are much more a function of someone identifying with what 64 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: they vote for, identifying with what they support among friends 65 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: and peers and in their own minds. This really matters. 66 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: This matters to all of us. This isn't just a 67 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: theoretical right. This isn't sitting This isn't sitting around having 68 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: a long and intense discussion over shall the Import Export 69 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: Bank live or die? My friends, answer me that question. 70 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: You know, we could talk about that, but I don't 71 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: think the Import Export Bank. And of course right now 72 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: there are some there are some fiscal conservatives and some 73 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: antiqronious conservatives like Buck it's terrible. Don't don't minimize the 74 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: evils of the import Export Bank. But you know what 75 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying, health care matters. Well. So, so here's what happened. 76 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: In case you haven't gotten the chance yet, and I 77 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: I am very blessed to have your company for three 78 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: hours a day, or however much of that time you 79 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: can give me, in case you haven't had the chance 80 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: yet to see what the House bill contains. I wanna 81 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: bring you up to speed on it, and then we'll 82 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: talk about where this is all going. And then we've 83 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: got a bunch of other stuff to discuss as well, 84 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: including this Executive Order on religious freedom that Trump signed. 85 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: Cornell University is offering a Trump bashing one oh one class. Oh, 86 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: that'll be worth talking about. Delta Airlines had a little 87 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: bit of a tense situation that of course was videoed. 88 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 1: Got some other stories I want to hit on as well. 89 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: But healthcare is the huge, the huge item of the day. 90 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: So we're gonna take some some time to get into 91 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: the details of this and everything go. So here's what 92 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: And before I even tell you the details, just to 93 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: put this in the proper context, let's all understand that 94 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: this has to go through the Senate and has to 95 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: be signed by the President. Now, I think the President 96 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: will sign anything that the Republicans put in front of him, understandably, 97 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 1: but this is not going to survive the Senate. It 98 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: I believe as it is. I don't think. I don't. 99 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: I haven't read anybody today who believes it will survive 100 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: passage through the Senate without some considerable changes. Here's what 101 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: happened today. You had two hundred and seventeen members of 102 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: Congress in the House, uh, well, saying you know what 103 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying, voted for this thing. Um and two d 104 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: and thirteen voted against it, and of that voted against it, 105 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: you had a hundred House Democrats and twenty Republican members. 106 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: Twenty Republicans were like, Nope, not gonna do it. Uh. 107 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: Those are going to be Republicans of course, who are 108 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: in vulnerable districts and are worried about the mid terms primarily. Um, 109 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: that's that's who those twenty Republicans are. And Democrats. You'll 110 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: notice not a single not a single person crossing party lines. 111 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: The Democrats on this one. Say what you will about them, 112 00:06:55,040 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: but there Uh, they're stalinist passion and to move as 113 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: one unit, all locked together without anyone being even the 114 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: least bit willing to break ranks or speak out of 115 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: turn or defect from the party line. It's it's a 116 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: powerful thing they've got going on. The Democrats state is 117 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: M is a powerful philosophy. It's destructive, but it works 118 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: at least it's an ethos Um. Okay, So here's what's 119 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: in the actual bill. Uh. That's Remember it hasn't hasn't 120 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: been passed by the Senate yet, and it hasn't been 121 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: signed with the president. So there's still where we shouldn't 122 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: be we're not dancing in the end zone here. As 123 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: I said about early celebration, we don't want to get 124 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: tackle at the one yard line. So there is no 125 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: there is no touchdown yet, and we need to make 126 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: sure that we keep our eye on this thing. Okay, 127 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: So the main parts of it are you gotta revamped 128 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: insurance tax credit, so it changes the way that you 129 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: get money to buy health insurance. That's the simple way 130 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: of getting it. There's also some complexity about how it scales, 131 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: how much money you have to make before you no 132 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: longer get any of the tax credits, but you now 133 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: will get a tax credit based on your earnings. And um, 134 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: it'll be indexed also to a person's age, So it's 135 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: gonna the government's gonna help you buy insurance via the 136 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: via the tax system. That's the that's the one of 137 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: the main changes here. And you don't have an individual 138 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: mandate anymore. Individual mandate has changed, but there'll be a 139 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: penalty in place. By the way this, there's some similarities here, 140 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: a lot of similarities to what was considered a very 141 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: bad bill before. And um, because part of my mission 142 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: here is to keep it real. In the freedom hunt, 143 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: I have to tell you. This is this is not 144 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: a full repeal. It's not so. I understand that it's 145 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: being sold as that, and a lot of Republicans are 146 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: excited about it, but it is just, frankly, not a 147 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: full repeal. Okay, all right, well, but if it makes 148 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: things better, I'll take better right now, I will take 149 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: forward movement. I'm not going to let perfection be the 150 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: enemy of the good. Um. So the revamped insurance tax 151 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: credit thing, that that makes some sense. I see how 152 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: they're doing that. Okay, you also have no more individual mandate, 153 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: so it will be a continuous coverage requirement. Um that's 154 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: an important part of all of this. That means that 155 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: if you don't have if you if you don't have 156 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: coverage for a period of time, when you re enter 157 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: the health insurance market, the company can charge you a 158 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: thirty percent rise in premiums over the course of one year. 159 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: So it penalizes you for not having insurance. But it 160 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: does not um, it does not have a penalty that 161 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: you pay to the government. Now that's a change. Uh. 162 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: The big issue, and this is what was the focus 163 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: of the the last couple of days. By the way, we've 164 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: got some time. Will devote later in the show to 165 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: what exactly is the truth of pre existing conditions. I 166 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: note some of you that listened to show yesterday were like, 167 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: you're you're putting too much emphasis on this, and I 168 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: tried to mention I didn't spend enough time on this 169 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: that I understand that previousting conditions is just one small 170 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: segment of the overall health care market, but it has 171 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: emotional residence and it allows the Democrats to control the debate. 172 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: So we have to pay attention to it, right because 173 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: if it's only even a few hundred thousand people that 174 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: have pre existing conditions that would be negatively affected and 175 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: booted out of health insurance markets entirely as a result 176 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: of a Republican bill, that's a not only is that 177 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: a moral failing and a massive political liability. You can't 178 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: have people that are undergoing cancer treatment all of a 179 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: sudden unable to get any form of insurance because of 180 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: a change that the Republicans have made. That that is 181 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: that is very bad. That would be a very big mistakes. 182 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: So that's but I'll talk to you more about the 183 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: realities of later. Because it is true that prexists conditions 184 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: got so much attention this week, when in reality it's 185 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: a small segment of the markets. Most uh, most employer 186 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: provided plans UM don't allow for anyone to be excluded 187 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: because of pre existing conditions. So it was a an 188 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: inflated in terms of the numbers, an inflated concern ruin 189 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: in the week UM. It also should be noted that 190 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 1: we are when we're talking about Obamacare and and all 191 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: these different regulations that it enacted, and even some of 192 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: the taxes and everything else, the main thrust of Obamacare 193 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: the people that were hurt by this, or in the 194 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: individual market, which is a a small subset of the 195 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: overall healthcare market. Most people get insurance from their employers still, 196 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, now, you don't want to be the politician 197 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: in charge of telling the fifteen to twenty or thirty 198 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: million Americans who are in the individual market. Sorry, and 199 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: we're not too worried about you, because there's two hundred 200 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: and seventy or so million other people in the country 201 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: we've gotta worry about. I understand all that. But all 202 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: this fighting right now or so far has largely been 203 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: about the effects of health of health insurance regulation on 204 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: the individual market. Right It really had those of you 205 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: who have employer plans are like, yeah, I mean, maybe 206 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: you know costs have gone up. I'm not saying there's 207 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: no impact, but it's not nearly as dramatic as if 208 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: you're on the individual market and you've had three plans 209 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: canceled and your insurance stinks and the government's making buy it. Okay. 210 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: So part of the part of this fight has been 211 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: that states now will be in a position to say, 212 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: we don't want the Obamacare minimum requirements to apply to 213 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: our state. We will develop our own set of requirements 214 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: for plans, healthcare plans in the state. And there this 215 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: is where the prexisting conditions issue came up. Um. So 216 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: the House GOP has allocated a hundred and thirty eight 217 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: billion dollars over the next decade the high This is 218 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: for the high risk pools. So they said, okay, if 219 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: you're if you're going to set up your own state 220 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: by state or allow for a state exemption, meaning an 221 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: exemption from Obamacare requirements, and then you can set up 222 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: your own minimum essential benefits or essential benefits. If you're 223 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: going to do that, you have to have protections in 224 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: place for those with pre existing conditions. And so they 225 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: set aside. This big pool of money. Is the pool 226 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: of money big enough? Will it be sufficient? Well, we'll 227 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: get into more of that later. It's changed the way 228 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: it would change Medicaid. This is not new. This was 229 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: in the original version of this bill. As as I'm 230 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: seeing this, I'm I am having a little bit of 231 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: deja vu, because, yeah, the Medicaid, Medicaid is going to 232 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: be uh now left up to the states much more, 233 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: much more. So. The best parts of this healthcare bill 234 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: are the parts of it that allow greater flexibility in 235 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: states to deliver healthcare or to deal in the in 236 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: the health insurance market for the delivery of healthcare to 237 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: residents of that state. Now, that doesn't mean there won't 238 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: be problems, and there won't be shortcomings, and when we 239 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: get into the funding of this, there'll be all kinds 240 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: of issues. But also uh okay, so that's I'm trying 241 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: to make sure I get I get all the key 242 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: points here. So there's some regulations they'll be able to 243 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: get out of. States will be able to get out 244 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: of some of the regulations. And um, you also will 245 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: be able to charge different amounts to different people. Right, 246 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: this is this is one of the big sticking points 247 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: before I just realized I've I've run into the next one. 248 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: I have even given you my sense of the political 249 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: importance of all this, but I mean, you know it's 250 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: a big deal. I don't even tell you stuff that 251 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: you already know, and you know that this the optics 252 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: of this certainly look really good for the Republicans right now, 253 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: Um they're not. It's not great because this isn't a 254 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: true repeal, and now we're gonna be told I think 255 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: more and more that a repeal was never really possible 256 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of us should scratch our heads and say, 257 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: that's funny because there are a lot of repeal votes 258 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: when you guys didn't have the majority in Congress, so 259 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: that was truly all just for a show. Um, But 260 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: this is uh progress for the Republicans, and this I 261 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: think will make some parts of this health care system better. 262 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: But this is not a home run, and in fact, 263 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: we have I'm using a lot of sports analogies today. 264 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: I know, I gotta I gotta mix it up. This 265 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: is not a done deal, and we got to spend 266 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: a little more time on what's really in this and 267 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: what this means, what the Democrats are gonna do what 268 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: this could mean for the midterm elections. I've got a 269 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: lot to say on this. My friends have been spent 270 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: the whole day reading on it. I should probably get 271 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: a social life, but instead I read about healthcare all day. Um, 272 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: eight four four, eight to five. I also want to 273 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: hear from all you out there, what do you think 274 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: about the Republicans in the House pushing through this healthcare bill? 275 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: Big thumbs up kind of or maybe it thumbs down. 276 00:15:54,960 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: You tell me, I'll be right back. Democrats in the 277 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: House chanting Nana, Nana, hey, hey, hey, good bye, suggesting 278 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: that because Republicans have in fact done something on healthcare, 279 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: they will all lose in the mid terms. Let me 280 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: just first say the very Uh, it's pretty obvious to 281 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: me at least. Um, it would be a lot worse 282 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: if they didn't do anything. I don't know how any 283 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: were I don't know how any Republican up for re 284 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: election in the mid terms would be able to defend well. 285 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: They would all, of course, just blame every I know 286 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: what they would do. They blame everybody else. And they 287 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: were they were stalwart here row of the conservative movement. 288 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: And yeah, we get it. But it would be much 289 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: harder for Republicans to keep seats if their record on healthcare, 290 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: after all the repeal and replace votes, after everything we 291 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: were promised was just complete and utter inaction, that would 292 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: be that would be worse. So maybe what they've done 293 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: here exposes them and create some political vulnerabilities. But it 294 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: what what's the alternative now? I I suppose it's worth 295 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: taking a moment to say that we can't even really 296 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: tell how effective this will be or how much we 297 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: should be excited about what's happened here until it gets 298 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: through the Senate, because the Senate may change some of this. UM. 299 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: I believe there's, for example, a I think there's a 300 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: funding a dfunding of planned paramoud for a period of 301 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: of time. UM. So there's some things in here that's 302 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: going to get They're gonna get tense in the Senate, 303 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: to be sure, and it's not going to be simple 304 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: for the Senate to take up his House bill and 305 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: just push it through and everyone gets to be happy 306 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: and it all goes forward, and you know that's that's 307 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: that is not I think what is likely to be 308 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: the the end end state here. Um. Democrats, of course 309 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: you're going to try to scare everybody with this. Uh, 310 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: you've got Nancy Pelosi trying to scare Republicans. They have 311 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: this vote tattooed on them. This is a scar that 312 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: they will carry. So it isn't it's their vote, it's 313 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: not the Senate vote, it's their vote they are taking. 314 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: So that is really a poor choice, cowardly choice. I 315 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: might add, why would they vote for it if they 316 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: don't think it's worthy of support, But because the Senate 317 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: won't change it. From what I hear the Republican senators 318 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: saying that they don't have any interest in passing this 319 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: bill as is, so it's gonna get changed around that. 320 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: That's why it's important to know what's in it, and 321 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: that's where we're talking about it. And look, they didn't 322 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: get a Congressional Budget Office, so they didn't get a 323 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 1: CBO score. This was done very much behind closed doors. 324 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: There wasn't their review period for the public that we 325 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: have been told in the past what happened with major legislation. 326 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: There's there's some stuff going on here, everybody. I mean, 327 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: I can't sit here and pretend that this is the 328 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: way this was all supposed to happen. There's some there's 329 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: some aspects of this that are are not so great, 330 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: and some of that's certainly on Paul Ryan and Republican leadership. 331 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: But I think it also is fair to look at 332 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: this and just have a wait and see attitude about 333 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: what this is going to look like. In the end 334 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: um eight four four to five, we'll be right back. 335 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the freedom Hut on an island of 336 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: liberty where you're the party and it's full of fellow patriots. 337 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton kicks it off. Here's what The Hill reported 338 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: u just a few hours ago. Several Republican senators sent 339 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: a warning shot to the House after its passage of 340 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: an Obamacare repeal and replaced bill Thursday, indicating it won't 341 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: be easy to get the measure through the Upper Chamber. 342 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: Senator Heller, one of the most vulnerable GILP centers up 343 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: for re election in eighteen, said he won't or he 344 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't support the houses Bull bill in its current form. 345 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: We cannot pull the rug out from understates like Nevada, etcetera, etcetera. Uh, 346 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: and he goes on there for a while. Senate leadership 347 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: has acknowledged the legislation will need to change in the 348 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: Chamber in order to get enough of its members on board. 349 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: Likely changes could focus on Medicaid and adding increased financial 350 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: assistance in the form of tax credits to help low 351 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: income Americans. So yeah, now, yeah, it's so that the 352 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: Senate can take up its own version of what's already 353 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: out there in the House. They're not gonna it's not 354 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: gonna be from scratch, right, We're not gonna have a 355 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: completely new version of of all of this, but they can. 356 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: They can do a different bill, and then it can 357 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: go into a conference committee and they'll work out the 358 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: differences there. Um. But GOP senators are saying that this 359 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: is gonna be a no go. Is the breakdown here, 360 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: So if they lose two votes, um, if they or 361 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: they can only afford to lose two votes, rather of 362 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: course Vice President can come in and break the tie. 363 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: Uh So that's where this is. Maybe you know, the 364 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: Senate if this is if this bill in the House 365 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: is dead on arrival in the Senate, well that's that's 366 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. And if the Senate does its own thing, 367 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: takes what they're gonna take, what the House has passed, 368 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: I assume and change some parts of it and view 369 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: that as a you know, it's it's as the Senate version, 370 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: and then they go in the conference committee and uh 371 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: figure out where they meet in the middle. I suppose 372 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: we'll have to see. Uh let's take John and Mississippi. 373 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: Good to hear from you, sir, Hey Buck, Glad to 374 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: talk to you again. I want to tell you something. 375 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: How give you some feedback from out here in the 376 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: kinder land. Most of US Americans do not have the 377 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: time or the desire to look deeply into important issues 378 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: like healthcare. And I have found you to be trustworthy 379 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten, if like zero 380 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: is the least trustworthy and ten is the most trustworthy. Uh. 381 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi would be like a three. Vaccine Waters would 382 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 1: be like a two. Donald Trump would be way up 383 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: there at the top, near eight, and I would rate 384 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: you as nine and a half. And I'm gonna listen 385 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: to you on these issues that I don't have time 386 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: or the desire to check out, like healthcare, and say, 387 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate the time and effort that you have put 388 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: into this, and I'm going to listen to you and 389 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: believe what you tell me on this because I've checked 390 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: you out on other issues and you're very trustworthy, very diligent. 391 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, sir. I try. I mean I 392 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: occasionally make mistakes or I get something wrong, but I 393 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: can promise you this I do. I do as much 394 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: research as anybody else who goes in the air for 395 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: three hours full stop. As much of my time has 396 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: spent getting ready for is anyone else that's out there? 397 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: And uh, whenever I know that I'm wrong on something, 398 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: I come back and correct it. So but thank you. 399 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm definitely not perfect, but I drive very hard and 400 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: I know. I mean, this is why I'm so thankful 401 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: that I have the folks out there team Buck, as 402 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: I affectionately call them, listening in because I you know, 403 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: if you if you give me three hours, you'll know 404 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: more than nine five percent of the people walking around 405 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: on the street wherever you are, you know, driving by 406 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: you on the road. Uh, if you give me an hour, 407 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: I think you'll be like at like percent, you know. 408 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: So thank you very much John for for calling in. 409 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Shield time in um Evelyn in North Carolina, 410 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: w p T. I good to have you, Evelyn. Yes, 411 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: hi Buck, thank you for having me on. I am 412 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: so frustrated about two things. One is this healthcare plan, 413 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: because we know it's not going to get through the Senate, 414 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: and the demos US have already said they're not going 415 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: to pay. If anything, they're not doing anything to get 416 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: President Trump's Trump's agenda through. They want to see him fail. 417 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: And I don't know how we can uh go beyond 418 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: them to do this. We're never going to get our 419 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: countries on the right pay if as long as these 420 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: Democrats are so stubborn. And as far as the Republicans 421 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: who are not supporting President Trump, let me tell them something. 422 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: We re elected and elected them because they said they 423 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: would get rid of Obamaca, and now they're not doing it. Well, 424 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: you know what, they're not getting my vote. I wish 425 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: that I had a list of all those Republicans so 426 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: I could put it on Facebook and let people know 427 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: what they're doing to this country. Second thing that's aggravating 428 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: me is, um, the way that a lot of the 429 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: conservative talk shows and our right of conservative free speech 430 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: is being blocked and taken away. Isn't that a violation 431 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: of our constitutional rights? And could that be brought to 432 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court? I'd like to know that, Uh, what 433 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: do you mean? The conservative shows are being blocked and 434 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: taken away. I don't know, I need some specifics on that, 435 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: like like where or who. Okay, recently, President over the weekend, 436 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: I believe President Trump wanted to have some airs ads 437 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: on the network about his accomplishments the first hundred days. CNN, 438 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: CBS and a lot of the other liberal news channels 439 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: have refused to run those ads. That's one thing. Second, 440 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: they're also trying to um block uh shows like Sean 441 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: Hannity and the Fox network networks and uh they're actually 442 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: recording everything said on these shows, including Rush Limbough and 443 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: um and they're looking to looking to create a boycott 444 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: around it. Yeah, yeah, okay, UM. I think the first 445 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: thing you're talking about, Evelyn refers to UH that they 446 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: wanted to run an ad on CNN's air, but it 447 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: had a banner that said fake news or something in it, right, 448 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: So that there there's uh, you know, I don't know 449 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: this area specifically of of of the law and regulation 450 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: all that well, but channels do have some leeway in 451 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: what kind of advertisements they will take. UM. So it's 452 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: it's not a totally totally free and fair game in 453 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: that respect, and for you know, for example, I would 454 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: imagine that CBS News doesn't have to take an ad 455 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: that in the breaks as CBS News is fake news 456 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: in his in his crap right, So that that's uh, 457 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you're get no argument from me. I 458 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: I hear you. But so that's on the that's on 459 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: on that aspect of it. And then on the boycotts. Yeah, 460 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: boycotts are a common tactic for the progressive left to 461 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: silence speech that they don't like. Uh, you know that 462 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: the Democrat parties, attack dog outfits, the different organizations, what's that, 463 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: media matters, and there's many others, and they try to 464 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: highlight things, take them out of context, and then get 465 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: people rally around them to really create economic pain for 466 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: conservative hosts and shows. That's not you know there it's 467 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: a First Amendment issue when it comes to government action. 468 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: The thing about boycotts is that you're using your First 469 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: Amendment rights to push for private action, private economic action, 470 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: punitive action against somebody, and so you're allowed to do that. 471 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: But I am I am very opposed to boycott's except 472 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: an extreme circumstance. Is I think that boycott's are set 473 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: a bad precedent and with conservatives. They've been trying to 474 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: do it forever, um and this is one of my 475 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: and thank you Evelyn for calling in appreciated shield say, uh, 476 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: the the problem that I've had recently, or one of 477 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: the concerns I should say I've had about what's gone 478 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: on over at Fox with a with a few of 479 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: the well with with the biggest host, so that it's 480 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: a it's been a dream regardless of the veracity of 481 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: the claims and all that with O'Reilly and I don't 482 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, and you know that's not not something 483 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: that I'm referring to in this statement, but just that 484 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: the left was able to get him in the end 485 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: um was I'm not saying he didn't give them stuff 486 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: to work with, but that they're able to get him. 487 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: It was nice in conservative media for a while. It 488 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: was nice to be in a place where you figured, well, 489 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: at least, if if enough of the people, if the 490 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: audience is with you, they can't just create corporate pressure 491 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: and get you ousted from your job. And you could 492 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: point to O'Reilly, and you could point to Limball, and 493 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: you can come point to some of the uh, you know, 494 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: the biggest trees in the conservative Forest, they got O'Reilly 495 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: and uh, they've they've been going after Rush and others 496 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: for a long for a long time and they're not 497 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: gonna stop. But everyone that was great. Talk to you 498 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: can in Uh, We've got another call from Mississippi. Can 499 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: good to talk to you, sir. Hey Bob, Hey, Bud. 500 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: How you doing good. Yeah, I'm not absolutely positive about this, 501 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: but I've I've heard this before, and I think I 502 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: remember this when they passed the Obamacare bill, because they 503 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: did it as a reconciliation bill. When the House pushed 504 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: passed it and pushed it over the Senate, they could 505 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: not change it at all or it would require a 506 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: sixty I mean you know, it would it was it 507 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: would fall under the filibuster rules because it only stayed 508 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: a reconciliation bill as long as they passed it as did. Now, 509 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: I may be wrong about that, and I'd like to 510 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: check that out somehow if you could, absolutely, sir, we will. 511 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: We will look at that to take a look. Yeah, 512 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: I don't think the Senate can mess with it. I 513 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: really don't. Well, the Senate can do its own version 514 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: of the The Senate can do its own version of 515 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: of the Senate and can do its own version of 516 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: a bill, and then the House can be that. Yeah, 517 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, push it back to the House. 518 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you know. And and then it gets into 519 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: how how different, you know, how different does it have 520 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: to be for it really to be a different bill? 521 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: You know, if it just starts in the Senate, they 522 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: change a couple of things, they say, you know, this 523 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: isn't the American Healthcare Act. This is the like Great 524 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: American health Care Act or something I don't know, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, 525 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: I got you. Yeah yeah, So that's I mean, that's why. 526 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: But but ultimately you gotta have enough GLP senators who 527 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: will go forward with it. And and it's not great. 528 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna get into some more of the 529 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: specifics later, but it's not the best health care bill 530 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: out there. Ken thank you for calling him, and she'll say, 531 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Um. The here here's the here's the 532 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: here's the reality of what we've seen with this healthcare 533 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: the whole health care fight, stretching back to Obamacare and 534 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: going to going until now. One is that because healthcare 535 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: is so complicated, the ability to distill it down into uh, cogent, 536 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: easily digestible propaganda points, little talking points, is very powerful 537 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: in this whole debate. So what that's why the previousting 538 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: conditions parents staying in your parents insurance still twenty six 539 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: and then the insurance is we're gonna ensure everybody, and 540 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna do all of those things that you've heard 541 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: about Obamaca that you heard about Obamacare were to create 542 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: the political momentum and really the top cover to push 543 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: through a whole bunch of other stuff that very few 544 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: people have the time to even learn about or know about. 545 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: And in fact, Department Health and Human Services HHS figures 546 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: out some of it as it goes along. H h 547 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: was given under Kathy Kathleen Sibilius before um and what 548 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: was the Tom price. Now, h h S was given 549 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: a lot of flexibility, and by flexibility we mean discretion 550 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: in different aspects of how Obamacare would be applied. So 551 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: that what that means is that there's a lot that 552 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: goes on here that we don't even really know what 553 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: it is until it's in place and certain decisions are 554 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: made within the government bureaucracy. Part of the issue I 555 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: have with this American Healthcare Act that the Republicans have 556 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: put forward is that it still leaves in place that 557 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: basic decision making architecture for the government. So the government 558 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: is going to be making well. For one, the government's 559 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: deciding that there's going to be these high risk pools 560 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: and that everyone's going to be insured. And uh and 561 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: and I think that's politically and ethically a good move. 562 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: Although it's gonna be much I can tell you this, 563 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: it'll be much more expensive than they think it will 564 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: be right now. Whatever the number is right now, it's 565 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be a lot more than that 566 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: that much. Again, and this is also why the Congressional 567 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: Budget Office scoring, which is not people make a big 568 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: deal about that, depending on which side of the aisle 569 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: they're on and what's going on. But uh, the CBO score, 570 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: we don't have that. So this is something to keep 571 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,959 Speaker 1: in mind. It's gonna be much more expensive than they 572 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: say it is right now. Um. And they also put 573 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: states in charge of what your plan has to cover, 574 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: but or they allow states rather the ability to step 575 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: away from Obamacare requirements and decide what a stable cover. 576 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: But that's still it's still not the free markets. When 577 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: I try to get out of here that this isn't like, Okay, 578 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: I want coverage for severe illness. Um, I want coverage 579 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: that will kick in at you know, after fifteen thousand 580 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: dollars of my own spending, but real, but a real 581 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars, not what they do right now where 582 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: they say it's five thousand, but they discount, like every 583 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: dollar you spend at the doctor or doing you know, 584 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: taking care of yourself so that you know you're deductible 585 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: is five thousand. But in reality you're gonna spend fifteen 586 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: thousand before you hit your deductible. There are all these 587 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: games the insurance companies play. Um. But if it let's 588 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: say it's a real or a real ten thousand, a 589 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: real five, I mean fifteen thousands, really high. But some 590 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: of the Obamacare plans have a fifteen thousand or deductible 591 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: for for the maximum benefits at least um. But let's 592 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: say it's let's say it's five thousand or deductible and 593 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: above that you have coverage for you know, major major 594 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: illness of any kind. You may not be able to 595 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: get that plan even in a state that opts out 596 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: of Obamacare. If you live in I don't know if 597 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: you live in Florida, and Florida says, well, we're gonna 598 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: do it our own way, and here's what has to 599 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: be covered. Well, then that has to be offered in 600 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: all the plans. So you're still not at a healthcare 601 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: ala cart. I'm gonna make my own decisions, and the 602 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: health and and the insurance company can draw up any 603 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: contract for me that it wants. That's not what you've got. 604 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: You've just got states in charge instead of a one 605 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: size fits all policy of the federal government. That's a 606 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: little better, I think, but it's not great, and it's 607 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: not actually free market. But what we're seeing here, I 608 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: think is a slow recognition that Republicans were telling us 609 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: for a long time this was all going to be 610 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: over with Obamacare was done. And really what they are 611 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: doing is changing Obamacare in substantial ways, but other parts 612 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: of it are sticking around. We will hit a quick 613 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: break here, team eight four to five on the phones, 614 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: get into a bit more of the politics of this, 615 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: and I've got a lot more for you in terms 616 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: of topics too, So stay with me the day. It 617 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: was a big day, but it is just one step 618 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: in this process. An important step. We still have a 619 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 1: lot of work to do to get this signed into law, 620 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: and I know that our friends over in the Senate 621 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: are eager to get to work. They are We're going 622 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: to see that work through. You know why, We're going 623 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: to see this work through because the issues are just 624 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,959 Speaker 1: too important. We have to repeal this law and put 625 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: in place a real vibrant marketplace with competition and lower 626 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: premiums for families. That's what the American health Care Act 627 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: is all about. It makes health care more affordable, It 628 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 1: takes care of our most vulnerable, and it shifts power 629 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: from Washington back to the States, and most importantly back 630 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: to you the patient. Like I said, we've got a 631 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: lot of work to do. One thing is here. I 632 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 1: can tell you all a dirty little secret. Um. Everyone 633 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: thinks they want a free market in healthcare, but we actually, 634 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: most of us kind of want someone else to pay 635 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: for a lot of our health care. It's just the truth. 636 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean included, I'm I'm used to like, hey, twenty 637 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: dollar copay, you know, here you go. That's not that's 638 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: not gonna work for everyone, and that's not the way 639 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: that it is going to shake out. I think with 640 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: this plan Carl in Alabama. Good to have you, sir, Hey, 641 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. I just wanted to touch 642 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: on a couple of issues. I used to work UM 643 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: in a field that dealt with emergency response, UM and UM. 644 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: I just wanted to say they when the healthcare Obamacare 645 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: all that first started, I think the major problem that 646 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 1: they were trying to address was rising costs of health care. 647 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: But I don't think they really addressed is that they 648 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: were really focused on everyday people. They were focused on 649 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: the rising costs for things like indigent care. There are 650 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: people that went to the hospital three or four times 651 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: a week to the emergency room, which is the most 652 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: expensive place to get health care, and had no insurance whatsoever. 653 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: And the government had for years agreed to pay a 654 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: third of hout a third of that cost to hospitals 655 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: for indigent care. Well, those costs were spiraling out of control, 656 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: and you can't eternally pay for one third of everyone's 657 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: healthcare to go in the most expensive route to the 658 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: hospital and to the most expensive place for healthcare. So 659 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: part of of the things that was meant to address 660 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 1: was getting people under a doctor so that they're not 661 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 1: going lights and sirens to the emergency room every time 662 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: they have a flare up or whatever medical issue they 663 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: have without any insurance because the government paid a third 664 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: of the cost for that. Okay, I hear you, Carl, Um. 665 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: Anything else you want to throw in because otherwise we're 666 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: gonna go in to break in about five seconds. But 667 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: we can bring you in the next hour if you 668 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: need to. We'll be right back. All right, Thank you, 669 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, Carl Beer back. He spreads freedom because freedom 670 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: is not gonna spread itself. Buck Sexton his back. Got 671 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: our friend Vince Colonies on the line. He is the 672 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: Daily Callers editor in chief. Vince. Good to have you, sir, 673 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: It's great to be here. Thanks. So I've gone over 674 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: some of the details of what's in the bill the 675 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: House has passed. Can you bring us up a speed 676 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: on what now? What next? Well, that's a what if? 677 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: That is the million dollar question. And if we are 678 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: to be sort of I don't know, cynical news consumers, 679 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: which we are, which is, don't look at this and 680 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: be kind of realists about what we're dealing with today, 681 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: You've got to wonder why the White House puts so 682 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: much theatrics and the and there and the Republicans in 683 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: conversh for that matter, into the passage of a bill 684 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: simply through the House. Right, so you get you get 685 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: a healthcare repuel bill, which of course is momentous on 686 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: its own, and Republicans running over to the White House 687 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: in fact taking a giant blast over in the very 688 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: public show. Um, and then standing mind the President celebrating this. 689 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: Clearly it's a big step that they've been waiting to 690 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: take for a while, but they haven't gotten the fall 691 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: across the finish line. They need to Senate to do this. 692 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: And what we're hearing now is that the Senate has 693 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: no intention of taking up the House pass bill. Their 694 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,359 Speaker 1: intention is to pass their own bill. And um, it's 695 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: not quite clear that this is going to really get 696 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: gain much more steam. Do we know? So there must 697 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: be some Senate Republicans who are not okay with this, 698 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,720 Speaker 1: do we know why? Well, you mean, with the current 699 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: the House firs. Well, you know, I think a lot 700 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: of it is. I think there's a lot of criticism 701 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: of the fact that it was rushed to that even members, 702 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: even Republican members who passed it, weren't precisely sure that 703 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: details are not reading it. There were some reports of that, 704 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: and also that the CBO hadn't scored it, which is 705 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: necessary if you're going to pass the built and reconciliation, 706 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: because the Senate parliamentarian has to know how the bill 707 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: was scored by the CBO in order to judge whether 708 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: or not it actually qualifies this simple budgetary adjustment, for 709 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: this is something else legislation required of a more traditional process. Um. 710 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: So you know, I think there's a whole host of 711 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: reasons why the Senate is holding his nose right now. Um, 712 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: But I think here's what the big takeaway from today was. Ultimately, 713 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: it's proof for the President and proof for Speaker Ryan 714 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: is desperately needed, and I think that they are able 715 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,479 Speaker 1: to get legislation to the House that that the House 716 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: of Representatives is not simply a democratic They're not a 717 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 1: big waste of time basically to other small Republican parties 718 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,439 Speaker 1: serving in the in the House. It's actually a House 719 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: that's capable of passing legislation through the Republican party's actions, 720 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: which we didn't see earlier this week with the budget, 721 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: by the way, which was passed majority Democrats, not Republicans. 722 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: So now you've got a success for Paul Ryan appoint 723 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: to and for the President's point to and by the way, 724 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: now they can move on to out the legislative priorities, 725 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: including tax reform, which is really what they want to 726 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: get to. But what do we, uh, what do we 727 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: think that if the Senate Republicans have their own version 728 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: of this, do we have any sense of how it 729 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: will be different? I don't not right now. I'm sure 730 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: they're smarter people on health policies that have a better 731 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: sense of that. But um, you know, I I think 732 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: you know you and I look at this and a 733 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: lot of people I try. I think Charles Crownham are 734 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,760 Speaker 1: actually set it this way when the first time President 735 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: Trump tried to bring it up, which is, once you 736 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: establish an entitlement of any kind, it's almost impossible to 737 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,879 Speaker 1: peel it away. The politics become toxic right the moment 738 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 1: you're who wants to be the one that shows up 739 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: and says, you know, parties over, no more doritos, no 740 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: more beer. Nobody wants to be that guy. I don't 741 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: want to be that guy. The question really before our 742 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: lawmakers now is do we go back to the sort 743 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: of the way it was and tack in from there? 744 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: And by the way, I think a lot of conservers 745 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: want that just like literally repeal everything and then let's 746 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: start making adjustments from there. Or do you try and 747 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: basically double down on the system we have and make 748 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: it more cost effective, which is I think what most 749 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: lawmakers are tempted to do. Look, it's not health insurance anymore. 750 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: It's a charity, and we pay a lot of taxes 751 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: into it, and we pay a lot of high deductibles 752 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: and high premiums to make that charity work. Um, how 753 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: can we bring all of those costs down yet continue 754 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 1: to make it a charity? That's really the question before 755 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: so many lawmakers. Now is the reason why President Trump 756 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: way to expand on that. That's a very interesting idea. 757 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,720 Speaker 1: How how is it a charity? It's a charity because 758 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,919 Speaker 1: the way that insurance works is that you don't bring 759 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: a burning house to your house insurance company and say 760 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,879 Speaker 1: I need insurance for this. Sorry, it's already on tired it. See, 761 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: there's no time for us to make sort of a 762 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: risk gamble. The risk is fully invested in the house, 763 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: right it's there. So it's the same way with healthcare, 764 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: which is to say, once you start saying pre existing 765 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: conditions should have no bearing on the health insurance industry. 766 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,319 Speaker 1: It's not an insurance industry anymore, that's right, It's it's 767 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: a charity. I've been saying. I've been saying this for 768 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 1: a couple of months now that we're not really talking 769 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: about health insurance. We're talking about healthcare cross subsidies and 770 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:31,439 Speaker 1: healthcare redistribution for sure. And now instead of redistributing healthcare around, 771 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 1: we're sort of redistributing the misery of healthcare around. Because 772 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, like people who have had otherwise good healthcare 773 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: prior to the passage of Obamacare have seen not only 774 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,240 Speaker 1: their premiums rise, but their deductibles have gone up massively. 775 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 1: So in both cases, and now they're you know, and 776 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 1: they're losing health plans and they have to find, you know, 777 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: something that works. They might only have one provider or 778 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: no providers in their exchange. Essentially, what it's been a 779 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: miserable program for some people is now becoming sort of 780 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,800 Speaker 1: miserable for everybody. I'm talking to Vince Alanie, who's the 781 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,439 Speaker 1: Daily Callers editor in chief. The dlhi car dot com 782 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,839 Speaker 1: excellent site. You should all go check it out. Uh, 783 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, Vince on on the political side of this, also, 784 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: I think that the Republicans have missed some opportunities. This 785 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: isn't a recent criticism, this is a more general, long 786 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: term criticism, but that you have Democrats out there and 787 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: as as well as their left wing media enablers who 788 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: are as I understand it, literally saying people are gonna 789 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: die because of this. That's become you know, during Romney 790 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,959 Speaker 1: versus Obama that presidential race, it was Romney gives people 791 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,360 Speaker 1: cancer and throws like old ladies off off of the 792 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,360 Speaker 1: cliff in the wheelchair. Now we're at uh, John Lewis, 793 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren, Ny h L. You today are just been, 794 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: to name a few, all saying that people will die 795 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,240 Speaker 1: because of this new healthcare plan. That that that seems 796 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,839 Speaker 1: a bit that seems a bit extreme to me. But 797 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 1: on the other side of this, while you got Democrats 798 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,360 Speaker 1: saying people will die and therefore Republicans have blood on 799 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: their hands, I suppose the Republicans have not done a 800 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: good job of illustrating what what I've tried to do 801 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: on my show and in the past, which is to 802 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 1: bring to bring up the people who Okay, they're not 803 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: a they're not a sort of uh, sad human interest 804 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: story about oh you know, I wasn't I wasn't sure 805 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,800 Speaker 1: I'd be able to get into the health insurance market, 806 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: and now I can, and I got really sick. I mean, look, 807 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: our hearts go out to anybody that's in a situation 808 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 1: that's hit by serious illness, no, no question about it. 809 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,319 Speaker 1: But that's a very small percentage of people that have 810 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: been affected by Obamacare. And what I don't think the 811 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 1: Republicans done a good job of at all is pointing 812 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: out that for most people who are affected by Obamacare, 813 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,760 Speaker 1: it means their old plan, which they like more, is gone. 814 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: Their new plan, which is mandated by Obamacare, is very bad, 815 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,359 Speaker 1: meaning very small doctor networks, very high deductibles, and very 816 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: high premiums. And people have to pay this they have 817 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: no choice, right, and not just the pain that's gone 818 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: into it, but take advantage I think through the republic 819 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,439 Speaker 1: and of the populist moment, which is to point out 820 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: the extent to which big business, specifically the health care industry, 821 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: benefited massively off this. This was pronyism at its finest. 822 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: The fact that when Obomacare was passed, the reason why 823 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: it has all these like minimum health standards of of 824 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,359 Speaker 1: of all the like of things that you're like, wait 825 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,399 Speaker 1: a second, why is that a minimum health standard for 826 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 1: the average person. Oh, it's because lobbying. It's because the 827 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 1: it's because all of these interests. Lobbyists were able to 828 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: stick their hands in the pot and say, the mandate 829 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 1: that goes into this requires my industry to benefit from it. 830 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,359 Speaker 1: Everybody from you know, like random, random industries, the A RP, 831 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 1: all sorts of organizations benefited massively offer the past to 832 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: Obomacare and had nothing to do with that oaring people's 833 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,839 Speaker 1: health and had everything to do with driving money into 834 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: the pocketbooks of companies that were trying to influence legislation. 835 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 1: And the American public if they've if they've ever been 836 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: more upset about that, I don't know over time, because 837 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 1: that's the reason the part why Donald Trump was elected president. Yeah, 838 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,479 Speaker 1: the people that I I know a lot of spoken 839 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 1: to people who have Obamacare plans, and all all they 840 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 1: say is I just try not to get sick because 841 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: it's just gonna be frustration and it's gonna it's gonna 842 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: cost me a lot of money. And yeah, I guess 843 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: I'd be thankful if I had Obamacare, if um, you know, 844 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 1: if I all of a sudden came down with it 845 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: with a life threatening illness, that could bankrupt me. But 846 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: for most people who are under who are under Obamacare, 847 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: it's also well, I hope I don't you know, break 848 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: my leg, you know, rock climbing over the weekend or whatever, 849 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna have to pay like fifteen grand before 850 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: I get any benefit from Obamacare. That's what That's a 851 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 1: that's a new car. You have to take cash for that. 852 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: So like I think, I think a lot of people 853 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: who were sort of responsible health insurance purchasers, who were 854 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,280 Speaker 1: taking care of their family, paying into good health insurance 855 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 1: and sort of doing what they should responsibly looking at 856 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: them wait to say I was responsible in my whole 857 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,799 Speaker 1: life with this, and now you're basically asking me to 858 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: take on the irresponsible or you know, any number of 859 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: any number of things. But it just doesn't make sense. 860 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,240 Speaker 1: And I think those people are understood by by the rhetoric, 861 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 1: as you point out, which is that they are never acknowledged, 862 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: that it's always that they're always sort of a serial. 863 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: The problems with Obamacare are never well described. Do do 864 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 1: you view this as a repeal. I view it as 865 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: at this point unless the standard proves otherwise. I view 866 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 1: this as a ceremonial moment that the Trump administration is 867 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: hoping to get, um some wind in their sales on. 868 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 1: But as far as I know, as far as I know, 869 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: this thing's not going anywhere else. Now. Vince Colonies throwing 870 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,719 Speaker 1: a little haymaker here the Daily Caller E I c 871 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: not messing around. It's a ceremonial moment. Paul Paul Ryan, 872 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 1: He's gonna want to arm wrestle you over that one. 873 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: He'd be very He's very, very upset. I'll be challenged 874 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: by him. He's I know, he's very in wrestling at 875 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: so exactly we all we all know, we've all seen 876 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: those Paul Ryan biceps. Yeah, but onto, uh the issue 877 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 1: of taxes, by the way, Um, that's not gonna get 878 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: touched for a little while. But where does that stand? 879 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,080 Speaker 1: I think, I mean, it's got to grow from you know, 880 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,919 Speaker 1: sort of cliff notes version into actual legislation. I think 881 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,839 Speaker 1: that there is like real energy to try and take 882 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,440 Speaker 1: it on. But um, again, this it's really going to 883 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: take a lot of pushing on. My sense of this 884 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,239 Speaker 1: is the Trump administration is very sincere about the fact 885 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,280 Speaker 1: that they want to get to tax reforms soon. And um, 886 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 1: now that again that they sort of have healthcare down 887 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,720 Speaker 1: in the House, they can focus in earnest on pushing 888 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 1: tax reform, and I think there are a lot of 889 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,720 Speaker 1: people that really hope they do. How are you feeling 890 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,359 Speaker 1: about this administration in general right now? I mean, I 891 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: I don't I don't even remember, Evince, if you were 892 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,840 Speaker 1: somebody who was openly uh pro Trump or voted for Trump, 893 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: but as a as a conservative, how do you think 894 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,000 Speaker 1: they're doing? I would say that the president has learned 895 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: a lot on the job, which is to say, you know, 896 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: he's you know, the first attempt at healthcare passive where 897 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,840 Speaker 1: they sort of just rolled out of bill without a 898 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,239 Speaker 1: lot of input and then had to yanket at the 899 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,920 Speaker 1: last moment. Remember the president was like no more talking, 900 00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,560 Speaker 1: more voting, and then actually at the end, Paul Ryan 901 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: and the president and ended up having to balk. They 902 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,439 Speaker 1: pulled the bill because they didn't they knew they didn't 903 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 1: have the votes. And I think that experience has been 904 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: educational for the president. Um. Also, you know, I've found 905 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: foreign policies, there's been a lot more impressive to sort 906 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,680 Speaker 1: of the more hawkish Democrats and Republicans that exist, and 907 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,719 Speaker 1: by the way, have been able to walk the line 908 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,919 Speaker 1: and kind of impress the sort of the isolation that's 909 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,759 Speaker 1: pretended on using a derogative way at all, but the 910 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,040 Speaker 1: people who were more interested in seeing the United States 911 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,799 Speaker 1: um more interested in its own interests. First. I think 912 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: they've sort of walked the line really well on that, 913 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: which is to say, they had two giant bombings they 914 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,320 Speaker 1: not they hit a dropped the mo app on ices, 915 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: as you know. And then they have this missile attack 916 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,359 Speaker 1: in Steria. Both of them are sort of low risk, 917 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: high visibility attacks, and they convey the messages the President 918 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,800 Speaker 1: Trump isn't kidding. He will swing his fist when he 919 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,360 Speaker 1: wants to, and that sort of sent a message to 920 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 1: the world that hey, this is a man of action, 921 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: and that might actually allow him going into the future 922 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,880 Speaker 1: to not take much more military action at all actually, 923 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,840 Speaker 1: which is to say that he may he may be 924 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 1: able to maintain his posture that so many of his 925 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,240 Speaker 1: supporters enjoyed. Speak speaks softly and carry a big moab. 926 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,839 Speaker 1: I got you, Vince Colonies. Daily Callers Editor in Chief 927 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,040 Speaker 1: go to Delhi callr dot com everybody and Vince sir. 928 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,400 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, Thanks for calling in my foltures. Thanks. 929 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: You can see a bunch of you lightning up the lines. 930 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,719 Speaker 1: Team will take some calls when we get back eight four, 931 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,719 Speaker 1: eight to five, and we'll switch on to some other topics, 932 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 1: including Facebook hiring people to determine what goes, what stays 933 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,600 Speaker 1: on Facebook, what violates the terms of service. This is 934 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,760 Speaker 1: a very interesting topic for a whole bunch of reasons. 935 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 1: And we'll also talk about the Executive Order on Religious 936 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 1: Freedom that Trump got into today, and I guess some 937 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,879 Speaker 1: other some other very worthwhile stuff. My friends. We will 938 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,440 Speaker 1: be right back George and Pennsylvania on the I Heart app. 939 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 1: What's up? Great show, Thank you, sir. I've got to 940 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 1: say we've got to get honest at least to start 941 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,279 Speaker 1: with this discussion about healthcare, and we're not so far. 942 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,839 Speaker 1: First of all, we've always had universal healthcare. Hospitals are 943 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,440 Speaker 1: required to help people that came in, which is why 944 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,279 Speaker 1: they're the hospital. Waiting rooms are full of patients with 945 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 1: colds and kids and all that sort of thing. That's 946 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,480 Speaker 1: why hot that's why aspirins cost fifteen bucks a piece. 947 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 1: They're not special aspirins. The real cost is point two 948 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,439 Speaker 1: cents a piece for an asper and something like that. 949 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,120 Speaker 1: But we've been paying for all of the people to 950 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,360 Speaker 1: go there. They get the free asper and the free 951 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 1: care and all that sort of thing, you know, George, 952 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 1: I just I don't want to interrupt you, but I 953 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,160 Speaker 1: just want to throw in there that I I had 954 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,800 Speaker 1: an eye emergency recently went to the I hospital, and 955 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 1: I went through the process here in New York City 956 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 1: of waiting in line and and and really having an 957 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,840 Speaker 1: an I problem that I needed to get tended to. UH. 958 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of people who were there 959 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,840 Speaker 1: at the at the Eye hospital in the emergency section 960 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: that from what I could tell, we're there to get 961 00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:01,880 Speaker 1: eye exams, like for first for prescription glasses, and they 962 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,560 Speaker 1: go in for diapers, and they go in for formula 963 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,759 Speaker 1: while they're carrying their fifteen dollar McDonald's bags. But that's 964 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 1: neither here nor there at this point. The thing that 965 00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't see is I don't see the hospitals reducing 966 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,040 Speaker 1: their costs. Not that we've got all this great Obamacare 967 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,360 Speaker 1: that they argued so hard for the costs, and the 968 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,600 Speaker 1: hospitals are the same hospitals. I see local hospitals, especially 969 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,360 Speaker 1: getting gobbled up by bigger and bigger hospitals to the 970 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 1: point where that's almost impossible to find an unaffiliated position 971 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,480 Speaker 1: that even in what looks like a private practice. Well, George, 972 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,319 Speaker 1: you know, it was very it was very interesting to 973 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,720 Speaker 1: me when we saw a number of big hospital conglomerates 974 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,240 Speaker 1: come out and say that they didn't want anyone tinkering 975 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,360 Speaker 1: with Obamacare. Does I think I think a lot of 976 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:53,040 Speaker 1: big hospitals like Obamacare. Absolutely. They're getting money for Obamacare, 977 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,200 Speaker 1: and they're getting money. They're getting an outrageous rates from 978 00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,560 Speaker 1: any of the insurance companies that are surviving. For anyone 979 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,719 Speaker 1: that's paying on their own for private insurance, they're they're 980 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,360 Speaker 1: they're they're they're winning on all all round. And the 981 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,640 Speaker 1: indigenous among us, I'm sorry, the the the impoverished among 982 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,600 Speaker 1: us is what we're meant to say that go in 983 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,000 Speaker 1: there and are treated for free. They no longer have 984 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,960 Speaker 1: to pick up the costs for so now all of 985 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,239 Speaker 1: that money that had to be rolled back into the 986 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,400 Speaker 1: community as part of their community service, etcetera, etcetera, is 987 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,440 Speaker 1: all coming from the government or from uh whatever. The 988 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 1: next you know, what do you think? What do you 989 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,520 Speaker 1: think of of the uh I mean, we've been talking 990 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,040 Speaker 1: about here in the show. I assuem we've been catching 991 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,400 Speaker 1: some of it. I'm sure you've been reading about it 992 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,480 Speaker 1: on your own. What do you think about this House bill? Well, 993 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,439 Speaker 1: I haven't had a chance to go into in any 994 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 1: great detail, but I'm concerned about the fact that they 995 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,880 Speaker 1: haven't eliminated to bombcare completely as your as your previous 996 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,759 Speaker 1: guests said, once it's there, how do you get rid 997 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,759 Speaker 1: of You'll you'll never get rid of an entitlement. You 998 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,000 Speaker 1: look like the bad guy. We had the chance, however, 999 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: and I think I'm afraid that is that we blew 1000 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 1: it by going halfway. Now, maybe we have the will 1001 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,720 Speaker 1: to go back into this again, or at least maybe 1002 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,799 Speaker 1: we have the will on the presidential level to go 1003 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,200 Speaker 1: back in on this again. But you know how many 1004 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,680 Speaker 1: pansies there were that barely voted for this. They don't 1005 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,200 Speaker 1: understand that the people are outraged. You know, when when 1006 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 1: you when you've got a fourteen thousand and this is 1007 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,439 Speaker 1: this is the number I'm using here, fourteen thousand dollars deductible. 1008 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,880 Speaker 1: That's kindtastrophic healthcare that's not health care. And that's what 1009 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,000 Speaker 1: I've been saying too, is that people say they have Obamacare. 1010 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,279 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, if you have five in the bank 1011 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,600 Speaker 1: and you have fifteen thoull healthcare deductible, guess what if 1012 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,480 Speaker 1: you get sick, You're going bankrupt. So, you know, and 1013 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,200 Speaker 1: that costs four times as much as it costs eight 1014 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, and you're paying you know, hundreds of 1015 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,840 Speaker 1: dollars a month depending on what your subsidy level is 1016 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: as well. Um, and of course it's based on income, 1017 00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,720 Speaker 1: not based on overall savings from what I understand. So George, 1018 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,279 Speaker 1: great call man. Thank you for calling in from phil Pennsylvania. 1019 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Barry in Mississippi, good have you, sir? 1020 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,239 Speaker 1: How are you doing good? Hello there, Yes, sir, you're 1021 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:16,680 Speaker 1: on the radio. I'm very conservative, but I'm also a contrarian, 1022 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 1: and I think we should be celebrating. I'm personally bothered 1023 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,080 Speaker 1: by all the talk shows digging for something to be 1024 00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,880 Speaker 1: angry about. What about the individual in the individual mandate 1025 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,799 Speaker 1: gorn Right, I mean, that was the most unconstitutional part 1026 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,920 Speaker 1: about the whole bill and its year old press. I 1027 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,560 Speaker 1: am personally jumping up and down that that communist action 1028 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,319 Speaker 1: is gone. What about the employer mandate? Berry, Berry, it's not. 1029 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,239 Speaker 1: It's not gone yet though, Barry. It's not a law yet. 1030 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,520 Speaker 1: It's hasn't been signed yet. Well, well, when it's done, 1031 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, when it's done, we talk, Berry. I don't 1032 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,880 Speaker 1: want you celebrating too early, Barry. I'm seeing the I'm 1033 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,560 Speaker 1: seeing the high kicking legs. I'm seeing the football in 1034 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,280 Speaker 1: one hand, and I see I see a free safety 1035 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,800 Speaker 1: who's coming at you from the side here real fast. 1036 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,239 Speaker 1: We should enjoy it when we can. And we were 1037 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,400 Speaker 1: a whisker away from this not happening with the middle, 1038 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, mushy middle and the uh in the ridge 1039 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,920 Speaker 1: of right, not hardly being able to come to terms. 1040 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:22,080 Speaker 1: We were almost stuck with this unconstitutional mess forever simply 1041 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,600 Speaker 1: because we couldn't agree on the good part. You're right, 1042 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,920 Speaker 1: we got a way to go. But to see Trump, 1043 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,040 Speaker 1: the man wins. You know, I didn't believe it until, 1044 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,920 Speaker 1: you know, when he got close to being elected. He 1045 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,560 Speaker 1: just wins, And so I believe we're gonna get it 1046 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,160 Speaker 1: through the Senate. And you know, after nine years of 1047 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,960 Speaker 1: work as a as a key party Lenior, keep already member, 1048 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,200 Speaker 1: you know bridge over past sign waiver. This is for 1049 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 1: me a data celebration. All right, well you go ahead, 1050 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,520 Speaker 1: you go ahead, and celery barry you don't let anyone 1051 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,200 Speaker 1: right on that parade by man. Good to have you, 1052 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,440 Speaker 1: Thank you shields. I appreciate it. Um. Well, who does who? 1053 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,000 Speaker 1: All I do is win win win? Who is that song? 1054 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:03,400 Speaker 1: D J Ally call CALLI yeah, dj cally. That's like 1055 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 1: Trump's theme song. So Facebook, which we are all quite 1056 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,680 Speaker 1: familiar with and becoming I think more and more familiar 1057 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,320 Speaker 1: with each passing day. At some point it feels like 1058 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,200 Speaker 1: our our consciousness may just be uploaded onto Facebook, right, 1059 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,520 Speaker 1: I will be like a symbiotic online brain, given the 1060 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,320 Speaker 1: current rate of usage and connectivity, and how Facebook is 1061 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,600 Speaker 1: so involved in our day to day lives. Um, which is, 1062 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,880 Speaker 1: by the way, uh, we are the first generation, or 1063 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,840 Speaker 1: I should say we are the first iteration of humanity 1064 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 1: to have this saying called the internet and to be 1065 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,880 Speaker 1: so involved with it on a day to day basis. 1066 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,280 Speaker 1: The power of the information that some of these platforms have, 1067 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,200 Speaker 1: including Facebook, they're not even really aware of its uses 1068 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,240 Speaker 1: and importance yet, and what this will mean for us 1069 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,320 Speaker 1: going forward. I'm not a technology guy, and I'm not 1070 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,720 Speaker 1: a futurist or any of that, but I mean, this 1071 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,080 Speaker 1: is not my area, but I do find it fascinating 1072 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,600 Speaker 1: and I think about it a lot. Um And I 1073 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:16,000 Speaker 1: also and I remember, um not long ago, a friend 1074 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,920 Speaker 1: of mine saying that he had a conversation with his 1075 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,080 Speaker 1: with his wife about how important was he felt that 1076 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:29,520 Speaker 1: they not that they not have their devices, their smartphone, 1077 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,160 Speaker 1: their iPad. There blackberries a while ago, so I don't 1078 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,280 Speaker 1: maybe some of you might have blackberries, but this is 1079 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,840 Speaker 1: more common when I remember this conversation happening, and he 1080 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,880 Speaker 1: said that he told her that they should be present 1081 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,680 Speaker 1: when they're with each other. And I thought that was that. 1082 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,600 Speaker 1: Really there are things you know you here and it 1083 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,600 Speaker 1: just really stays with you. I'm hoping that many of 1084 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,080 Speaker 1: you will remember my advice to don't celebrate too early. 1085 00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,959 Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't celebrate, just don't celebrate too early. 1086 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,959 Speaker 1: It's easy to get caught up in that in any 1087 00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,200 Speaker 1: in any number of ways and any number of things, um, 1088 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,880 Speaker 1: but also all with with social media, and it's incredibly powerful, 1089 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:08,440 Speaker 1: it's incredibly useful, and it's uh, it's changing the way 1090 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,720 Speaker 1: we live our lives. And this is all kind of platitude, nous. 1091 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,720 Speaker 1: And I understand that you know all this already, but 1092 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,640 Speaker 1: the notion of being present and not even you know, 1093 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,320 Speaker 1: for example, I will I even with very close friends, 1094 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,960 Speaker 1: even with with family members. I do not like the oh, 1095 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put my phone on the table while we 1096 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:30,120 Speaker 1: eat thing. I do not like that because to me, 1097 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,640 Speaker 1: it's just a reminder that we're all connected to this 1098 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,240 Speaker 1: this net all the time, the the interwebs, the internet. 1099 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,040 Speaker 1: UM So I think it's important to be present and 1100 01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 1: be present with people you're with, and I have to. 1101 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,920 Speaker 1: I'm amazed sometimes I see these. By the way, this 1102 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,760 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Facebook story in a second, but 1103 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm just giving you my musings on social media right now. 1104 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,400 Speaker 1: Um which, by the way, Facebook dot com, slash box 1105 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,680 Speaker 1: sex and if you're listening, please do like the page. 1106 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,840 Speaker 1: It's a great way to communicate with the rest of 1107 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,600 Speaker 1: team Buck. And you can also send me messages there 1108 01:00:58,640 --> 01:00:59,760 Speaker 1: and I get in there and the rest of the 1109 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,240 Speaker 1: team does as often as we can. So for things 1110 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 1: like media, Facebook is amazing, It's fantastic. I have much 1111 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,680 Speaker 1: greater connectivity to the people that listen to this show 1112 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,840 Speaker 1: and the people that support what I do and want 1113 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,920 Speaker 1: to be a part of what I do, which there 1114 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,520 Speaker 1: are so many ways now to do that. Um then 1115 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,320 Speaker 1: would have been that would have been possible ten, certainly fifteen, 1116 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,640 Speaker 1: twenty years ago by leaps and bounds, it's not even close. 1117 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:28,520 Speaker 1: But but being president and and creating that personal that 1118 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,720 Speaker 1: personal exchange with those around you where you're not letting 1119 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,560 Speaker 1: devices and the incredible benefits of the connectivity we have 1120 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:41,840 Speaker 1: infringe on your Your time with someone is so important. 1121 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,640 Speaker 1: I find it now essential And I sometimes go out occasionally. 1122 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,120 Speaker 1: I go out on like a little social I'm here 1123 01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,240 Speaker 1: in New York City. I used to be very social, 1124 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,880 Speaker 1: I think would be a fair way to put it. 1125 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,360 Speaker 1: When I was in my twenties. Um that was mostly 1126 01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,800 Speaker 1: in d C. Then mostly the C I A. I mean, 1127 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, I could tell you, but then I'd have 1128 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:06,080 Speaker 1: to buy you another martini. But yeah, I definitely definitely 1129 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,200 Speaker 1: had my had some fun times. Then. I go out 1130 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,240 Speaker 1: much less frequently Now. Mostly I just think about writing 1131 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:16,280 Speaker 1: and radio and and uh conservative political ideas and philosophy 1132 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,000 Speaker 1: and history. This is what I spend my time right now. Uh. 1133 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,200 Speaker 1: But I see people when I when I do venture 1134 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,840 Speaker 1: out into the public places where folks gather for the 1135 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,480 Speaker 1: reasons of socialization, you know, they got to party or 1136 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,840 Speaker 1: go on dates, whatever, and they will have their phones 1137 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:36,120 Speaker 1: out and they'll be talking to each other and scrolling 1138 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:41,840 Speaker 1: and texting and all this at the same time. And I, uh, 1139 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,960 Speaker 1: I think that is I think we're missing out by 1140 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,960 Speaker 1: doing that. It's to me, it's it's akin to you know, 1141 01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,120 Speaker 1: back in the day when people are first getting excited 1142 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,720 Speaker 1: about TVs. You know, look, I I'm not gonna lie. 1143 01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,280 Speaker 1: I like to go home sometimes too and throw on 1144 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,520 Speaker 1: the TV while I'm meeting dinner by myself whatever. But 1145 01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,240 Speaker 1: when everyone with family, I just I think it's a 1146 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,240 Speaker 1: better I'm not passing judgment, but I think it's a 1147 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,160 Speaker 1: better idea to sit and talk to each other and 1148 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,280 Speaker 1: look at each other and not have a TV blaring 1149 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,680 Speaker 1: one unless there's a special sporting event. I get all that, 1150 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,000 Speaker 1: but I mean on a nightly basis, you want to 1151 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,880 Speaker 1: be present with each other. You don't want to be um. 1152 01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,640 Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to be distracted from the 1153 01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,640 Speaker 1: human beings that are around you. Because as much as 1154 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,280 Speaker 1: Facebook and all these other platforms are and Twitter and 1155 01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:27,680 Speaker 1: I don't know how many of you aren't. I know, 1156 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:33,240 Speaker 1: based on the the data which I read about consumers 1157 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,080 Speaker 1: of conservative media, and if you listen on radio, by 1158 01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,720 Speaker 1: the way, is a very high likelihood for those of 1159 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,440 Speaker 1: you that are listening right now, very high likelihood that 1160 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,400 Speaker 1: you like dogs, and a very high likelihood that you 1161 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,680 Speaker 1: love America. So there you go. That's what the data 1162 01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 1: tells me. Almost all of you like dogs, and almost 1163 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,360 Speaker 1: all of you love America. In fact, i'd say all 1164 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,680 Speaker 1: of you America. Um. But back to the other side 1165 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,320 Speaker 1: of this social media side of it for a second, 1166 01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,840 Speaker 1: or another side of it. Uh, many of you are 1167 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,200 Speaker 1: on a lot of you are on Facebook. Um. Not 1168 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,440 Speaker 1: that many of you probably are on Twitter, but some 1169 01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:09,920 Speaker 1: and you can always tweet me, by the way at 1170 01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,160 Speaker 1: buck Sexton. So on the one hand, I'm telling you 1171 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:13,720 Speaker 1: to be present with your loved ones and friends. And 1172 01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm also telling you, though, but with me, because we 1173 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,280 Speaker 1: don't get to hang out person to person. You know, 1174 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,560 Speaker 1: social media is the way to go, So we'll keep 1175 01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:24,440 Speaker 1: that in mind. UM. So, whether you're calling in from California, Mississippi, 1176 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:28,440 Speaker 1: North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, places we've in recent days had 1177 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,520 Speaker 1: calls from, um, you know, the social media allows you 1178 01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,720 Speaker 1: to to speak to the guy behind the mic whenever 1179 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,480 Speaker 1: you want. UM, but it is important to to have 1180 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,080 Speaker 1: limitations on this and not to allow it to become 1181 01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,520 Speaker 1: the driving force in so many of our interactions, or 1182 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,320 Speaker 1: or a distracting force, or an additional force, and so 1183 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,040 Speaker 1: many been our interactions. I just have to laugh. I 1184 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,840 Speaker 1: mean sometimes I want to walk over some of these 1185 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,840 Speaker 1: I was gonna say some of these young guys, some 1186 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,040 Speaker 1: of these young guys out there, because you know, once folks, 1187 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,320 Speaker 1: once you get to be mine, once it gonna be 1188 01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,760 Speaker 1: thirty five. You know somebody who's like in their mid 1189 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,640 Speaker 1: tw bunny's you know, they don't even they don't even 1190 01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,040 Speaker 1: know what they don't know about life? Right, this is 1191 01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,040 Speaker 1: the stuff. And those of you who are listening where 1192 01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:08,520 Speaker 1: in your like fifties and sixties, are like Buck, you 1193 01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,360 Speaker 1: got a long way to go. And I know I do. UM, 1194 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,000 Speaker 1: but I want to walk over some of these guys 1195 01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,480 Speaker 1: like you are on a date with this lovely young lady. 1196 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:16,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's your first date or your 1197 01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,680 Speaker 1: fiftieth date. Put your phone away? What are you doing? 1198 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,840 Speaker 1: You put the phone away? UM, be present that that's 1199 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,880 Speaker 1: something that oh it really stuck with me. I think 1200 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,720 Speaker 1: that should that's the motto and not all the time. 1201 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,800 Speaker 1: I you know, like I said, social media is great, 1202 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,439 Speaker 1: and it's it's how I built a radio following. Really 1203 01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:38,320 Speaker 1: I started out doing radio and um people asked me 1204 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,960 Speaker 1: because I was one of the first folks around in 1205 01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,480 Speaker 1: the radio game, at least at the Blaze where I 1206 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,240 Speaker 1: started out, and then I started filling in for some 1207 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,640 Speaker 1: of the big some of the big guys, Rush, Shan 1208 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,600 Speaker 1: and Glenn Um Well in the order of Glenn, Rush 1209 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,520 Speaker 1: and Sean that the first, you know, the first one 1210 01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,400 Speaker 1: I did was Glenn and then Russia. Then I mean Glenn, 1211 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,280 Speaker 1: and then Shawn and then Rush. But I was tweeting. 1212 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,040 Speaker 1: I was live tweeting the show. But I did that 1213 01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,040 Speaker 1: to um just know that there was an audience because 1214 01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:06,680 Speaker 1: I started out with such a small audience. And by 1215 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,479 Speaker 1: the way, there's no better way to learn this media 1216 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 1: game than to do it than to start out and 1217 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,880 Speaker 1: have no audience. No one's given you a platform, there's 1218 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,479 Speaker 1: there's nothing right, it's just hey, I'm gonna do a show. 1219 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,440 Speaker 1: Who wants to listen? And because it was digital, it 1220 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,960 Speaker 1: was great because the first day, maybe there were seventeen 1221 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,120 Speaker 1: people listening, and then there was you know, a hundred 1222 01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,720 Speaker 1: people listening, and then then and you keep going and going, 1223 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:31,960 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you're like, wow, I've 1224 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,760 Speaker 1: got like a whole sports arena worth of people listening 1225 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,240 Speaker 1: to this show. And that was that was my experience 1226 01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,240 Speaker 1: at the Blaze relatively quickly, and I thought I was like, wow, 1227 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,440 Speaker 1: it's it's it's like, yeah, it would be like if 1228 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,440 Speaker 1: I was at a at a Knicks game and every 1229 01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,360 Speaker 1: single person in the Knicks game was listening to my 1230 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,600 Speaker 1: radio show. Um. So that's the great part about about 1231 01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,320 Speaker 1: the digital side of it. But in the early days, 1232 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,000 Speaker 1: the only way that I even really knew that anybody 1233 01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,520 Speaker 1: was listening because radio is different than other things TV. 1234 01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes you have a live audience, but even without a 1235 01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,840 Speaker 1: live audience, you have a TV crew around you and 1236 01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,560 Speaker 1: you kind of know that, especially if you're in the 1237 01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,000 Speaker 1: news game. Uh, they're gonna be airports across the country 1238 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,880 Speaker 1: where people are gonna be walking. O. Who's that guy? 1239 01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,920 Speaker 1: You know? He looks like, uh, he looks like that 1240 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,000 Speaker 1: guy from from Parks and rec That's I get that 1241 01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,280 Speaker 1: a lot. What's that guy's name? By the way, you 1242 01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:17,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about now I don't. I don't 1243 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,840 Speaker 1: remember that guy's name. Whatever. He looks like me. Actually 1244 01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,000 Speaker 1: I don't look like him. Take that. Um. But Parks 1245 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,600 Speaker 1: and Wreck is a great show. I highly recommend it 1246 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,160 Speaker 1: to all of you. But skip to the second season 1247 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,439 Speaker 1: and then you can go back and watch the first 1248 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,280 Speaker 1: after you finish all the rest of it. Skip to 1249 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,400 Speaker 1: the second season of Parks and Wreck on Netflix, don't bother. 1250 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,400 Speaker 1: Don't bother with the first one, and you will love 1251 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,280 Speaker 1: Ron Swanson. Those of you are listening. One of the 1252 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,600 Speaker 1: greatest TV characters of all time. And occasionally I will 1253 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:41,240 Speaker 1: make Ron Swanson references here on the show. But so 1254 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,880 Speaker 1: I started out doing social media. Um. And by the way, 1255 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,680 Speaker 1: the story on Facebook is a very intense. It's about 1256 01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,680 Speaker 1: violence and graphic violence and and and illegal content and 1257 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,640 Speaker 1: how they sifted out. And we'll get to that, I 1258 01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:53,800 Speaker 1: guess after the break because I went on a I 1259 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,640 Speaker 1: went on a tangent here. But yeah, I think if 1260 01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,080 Speaker 1: you all as my friends, so I just speak to 1261 01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,480 Speaker 1: you like friends do, and that means it's times I'm 1262 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,680 Speaker 1: just gonna talk about other things, even though I've got 1263 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,040 Speaker 1: a run down in front of me and I've got 1264 01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,360 Speaker 1: a team here, and I gotta get to news stories. Um. 1265 01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,680 Speaker 1: I started tweeting about the show, and that was a 1266 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,440 Speaker 1: way to get interactivity, and some people would say, hey, 1267 01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,040 Speaker 1: I like what you just did. It was and that 1268 01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,559 Speaker 1: was a great way to And then of course the Facebook. 1269 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,920 Speaker 1: I could um plug into that and plug into that. 1270 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,400 Speaker 1: Now I sound like I have no idea I'm talking about. 1271 01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,519 Speaker 1: I could, I could log into that. I could plug 1272 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,240 Speaker 1: in uh, and people could comment on the show and 1273 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,040 Speaker 1: comment on what was going on, and I could get back. 1274 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:30,760 Speaker 1: And I always love it too. It it really for 1275 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,880 Speaker 1: a guy who comes from the CIA and it was 1276 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:39,000 Speaker 1: just another just another government dude. Um, I'm always really uh, 1277 01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:44,400 Speaker 1: I find it really fun. Fun. Funny's other right, It's 1278 01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:45,880 Speaker 1: really fun. It's really nice. It brings a small on 1279 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,200 Speaker 1: my face whenever somebody sends me a message and then 1280 01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,840 Speaker 1: I respond, and then they're surprised and I responded, It's like, yeah, 1281 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,680 Speaker 1: it's it's me. Most of the times. We we do 1282 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,439 Speaker 1: have a team here that'll sometimes just bomb, but most 1283 01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,600 Speaker 1: of the time it is me, and uh, if you 1284 01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,840 Speaker 1: have the time to reach out to me. I tried, 1285 01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,040 Speaker 1: to the absolute best of my ability have the time 1286 01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,120 Speaker 1: to reach out and respond. Um, because you are all 1287 01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,920 Speaker 1: my my brothers and sisters and freedom. All right, I 1288 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,840 Speaker 1: have to go to a break here and take take 1289 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,040 Speaker 1: a minute or two to come back and talk about this, 1290 01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,120 Speaker 1: this news story about Facebook which has three thousand new 1291 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:22,720 Speaker 1: jobs that are opening up for monitoring Facebook for bad content. UM. 1292 01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:24,479 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that, but you gotta stay with me 1293 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:30,640 Speaker 1: through the break. I'll here right back. So Facebook is 1294 01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:36,840 Speaker 1: going to hire three thousand people two uh, review objectionable 1295 01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,799 Speaker 1: content on the platform. Facebook's gotten some headlines recently because 1296 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,960 Speaker 1: of what's been live streamed on Facebook Live. Um, there 1297 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:50,680 Speaker 1: have been some really truly horrific and terrible things. Unfortunately, 1298 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,000 Speaker 1: when you have a platform with the reach and user 1299 01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,920 Speaker 1: base as Facebook does, of course there will be those 1300 01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:03,080 Speaker 1: who use it for the purposes of broadcasting evil. Um. 1301 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:09,479 Speaker 1: And it gives everybody everybody has a platform. Um, it is. Yeah, 1302 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,320 Speaker 1: there's really no way around that right now. If you 1303 01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,759 Speaker 1: give everybody a platform, you're giving a platform to people 1304 01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:18,439 Speaker 1: that sometimes will use it for very nefarious and even 1305 01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,040 Speaker 1: evil and deeply destructive purposes. There have been in suicides, 1306 01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,519 Speaker 1: there have been murders, there have been any number of 1307 01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:30,400 Speaker 1: really horrific things put on Facebook, and so they're now 1308 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:35,759 Speaker 1: trying to come up with mechanisms to at least limit 1309 01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:40,360 Speaker 1: the exposure that these terrible things have. And just as 1310 01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,920 Speaker 1: an aside, you know, look, I I love action movies 1311 01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,519 Speaker 1: and I like I like watching movies that have a 1312 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,320 Speaker 1: fair amount of violence in them. Although I will say 1313 01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,880 Speaker 1: that one distinction that not enough people make when they 1314 01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:53,840 Speaker 1: talk about this stuff is that there's a difference between 1315 01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:59,160 Speaker 1: violence and gore. And I do think that gory stuff, 1316 01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,280 Speaker 1: even when it's fake, even when we're talking about the 1317 01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,760 Speaker 1: context of movie, not in a Facebook live video, um, 1318 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,800 Speaker 1: but gory stuff can can stay with you. I I 1319 01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,479 Speaker 1: there are movies I could even sit here and think 1320 01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,479 Speaker 1: of that I've seen that I didn't wreck. I didn't 1321 01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,680 Speaker 1: realize what level of violence they would have and and 1322 01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,720 Speaker 1: the kind of depray violence that you'd see. I mean, 1323 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,280 Speaker 1: one that comes to mind. I really like the movie 1324 01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,600 Speaker 1: in terms of the style and the pace. I like 1325 01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,760 Speaker 1: the movie The Girl with the with the Dragon tattoo. Um. 1326 01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,200 Speaker 1: But there were some parts of that movie that and 1327 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,000 Speaker 1: then I only saw it a few years ago, part 1328 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,880 Speaker 1: of the movie where I was like, I kind of 1329 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:42,360 Speaker 1: wish I hadn't seen that, and uh, you know, also 1330 01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,639 Speaker 1: having worked in because I think that I can stay 1331 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,599 Speaker 1: with you. I I it's you know, people make jokes 1332 01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,479 Speaker 1: sometimes about how they see something they want to see, 1333 01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,479 Speaker 1: the like, oh, I can never unsee that. But that's 1334 01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,720 Speaker 1: a I think that's a real phenomenon sometimes that it 1335 01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,600 Speaker 1: can stay and and I'm not saying it's you know, 1336 01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,560 Speaker 1: not you can't get around it, can't deal with it, 1337 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,040 Speaker 1: but it can stay with you even in the realm 1338 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,000 Speaker 1: of fiction I'm talking about. I'm not talking about you know, 1339 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,680 Speaker 1: real PTSD from seeing where the things either on the 1340 01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,240 Speaker 1: battlefield or in a terrible accident. I mean that that 1341 01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,760 Speaker 1: obviously stays with you. But I mean when you're watching things, 1342 01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,360 Speaker 1: even if it's fictionalized, I think it can stay with you. 1343 01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,280 Speaker 1: And I've changed my mind on that. I used to 1344 01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:20,920 Speaker 1: think that I'll come on, you know, you know, it's 1345 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,559 Speaker 1: you know, that's just like you know, some some food 1346 01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,360 Speaker 1: die and you know, hamburger meat or whatever. It's not 1347 01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,599 Speaker 1: real and who cares, um, But but sometimes they make 1348 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,640 Speaker 1: it so realistic that you I think that there is 1349 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:38,280 Speaker 1: a rational basis to say that maybe we should, um, 1350 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,320 Speaker 1: we should at least be more, we should be cautious 1351 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,679 Speaker 1: about what we allow ourselves to see. Like I said, 1352 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,559 Speaker 1: girl with dragon tattoo, I thought there were a couple 1353 01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,560 Speaker 1: of parts in that. We're like WHOA not? And you know, 1354 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,120 Speaker 1: I grew up watching Terminator and Commando and all these movies. 1355 01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,120 Speaker 1: But that's very different. You know, when some guys running 1356 01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,559 Speaker 1: around with an M sixteen shooting nameless faces, bad guys 1357 01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,719 Speaker 1: at you know, five yards on full autoed, never reloading. 1358 01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,680 Speaker 1: It's just it's kind of like at some point the 1359 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,880 Speaker 1: guys in Star Wars, which there was a big thing 1360 01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,800 Speaker 1: about what the best Star Wars movies were today. I 1361 01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:09,600 Speaker 1: saw that on on some of the social media, but 1362 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,320 Speaker 1: I won't get into that now. Um, but that's different 1363 01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,600 Speaker 1: than what you'll see in some films where they you know, 1364 01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,280 Speaker 1: there are movies where they have the torture, they have torture, 1365 01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,320 Speaker 1: really explicit season towards. I can't. I can't stomach that stuff. 1366 01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,439 Speaker 1: I can't. I stay away from it, and especially in 1367 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,599 Speaker 1: recent years, I just said, I don't want to see 1368 01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,040 Speaker 1: just really truly disturbing content. I think everyone has to 1369 01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,560 Speaker 1: make their own decisions about, you know, what they're up for, 1370 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,080 Speaker 1: what they're not. I mean some of the stuff in 1371 01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,320 Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, which is a show that I absolutely 1372 01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,519 Speaker 1: overall love, but some of that was a little rough 1373 01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,080 Speaker 1: even for me. Some of that was I almost bailed on. 1374 01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,439 Speaker 1: I will tell you I bailed on and some of 1375 01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,120 Speaker 1: you I'm gonna get some angry emails right now. I 1376 01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,880 Speaker 1: bailed on a Walking Dead. But that's in the realm 1377 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,080 Speaker 1: of after the first episode of the Sea. That's in 1378 01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:54,360 Speaker 1: the realm of fantasy or fiction or you know, it's 1379 01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,640 Speaker 1: not real, right, but it can still I think you 1380 01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,680 Speaker 1: can still bother you if it's if it's graphic enough 1381 01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:03,679 Speaker 1: and all right, gonna with these Facebook monitors, Uh, they're 1382 01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:08,840 Speaker 1: looking at real stuff, and they've already I think was Microsoft. Yeah, 1383 01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:15,320 Speaker 1: Microsoft had moderators sue the company because of the horrible brutal, 1384 01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:19,880 Speaker 1: quote horrible brutality and quote indescribable sexual assaults that their 1385 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:25,280 Speaker 1: monitors witnessed and gave it gave them severe PTSD. Now 1386 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,760 Speaker 1: Microsoft is disputing this and this is going out to uh, 1387 01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:30,479 Speaker 1: you know, this is going to be fought out in 1388 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,800 Speaker 1: the courts. Um. But a couple of things on this 1389 01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,760 Speaker 1: one is that I I think that my sense of 1390 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,760 Speaker 1: this has my sense of what we should see and 1391 01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,680 Speaker 1: should not see in terms of entertainment has evolved. Um. 1392 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,040 Speaker 1: And I I do think that Facebook, it's a private entity. 1393 01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,680 Speaker 1: It's not a utility as people think it is, but 1394 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:56,360 Speaker 1: it's not should monitor content and should get rid of 1395 01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,200 Speaker 1: really terrible stuff. I do believe that. And and they're 1396 01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:00,800 Speaker 1: doing it, and they're trying to do it. They'll never 1397 01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,320 Speaker 1: do it fast enough, though, because really terrible stuff will 1398 01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,200 Speaker 1: often get a lot of eyeballs and get shared. And uh, 1399 01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,400 Speaker 1: it's just the way that it is. Um. You know, 1400 01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,240 Speaker 1: we're talking about some of the really great they've been 1401 01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:15,800 Speaker 1: suicide live streamer. It's really terrible and hauntingly awful stuff. Um. 1402 01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,880 Speaker 1: But Facebook has a role in that. I just also 1403 01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:24,400 Speaker 1: can't help but think though, that the larger the apparatus 1404 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,120 Speaker 1: for censoring the really terrible stuff gets on Facebook, which 1405 01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,240 Speaker 1: I do agree with, um, the more room there will 1406 01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,600 Speaker 1: be and the more of a mechanism will be in 1407 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:38,720 Speaker 1: place for censoring political stuff and sensor and calling things 1408 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,160 Speaker 1: hate speech that aren't hate speech. They're just policy disputes 1409 01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,280 Speaker 1: that upset people. Keep in mind, on the one hand, 1410 01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,680 Speaker 1: I come into this studio and I talked to you 1411 01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,479 Speaker 1: here in the Freedom hunt about all these college campuses, 1412 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,439 Speaker 1: and these professors and these students who make arguments that 1413 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:56,600 Speaker 1: speech that they don't like is violence. Well, in a 1414 01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:01,520 Speaker 1: culture that increasingly is embracing a speech equal violence formulation, 1415 01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:06,599 Speaker 1: our largest social media platform that is determining a lot 1416 01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,160 Speaker 1: of the content, including news and an information contect we 1417 01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,240 Speaker 1: see on a day to day basis that is growing 1418 01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:18,000 Speaker 1: more and more robust on its censorship side, will also 1419 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:22,759 Speaker 1: be in a position to, without us even noticing, remove 1420 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,800 Speaker 1: speech under the guise of protecting us from speech that 1421 01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,439 Speaker 1: equals violence. And this could really change the conversation in 1422 01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:35,000 Speaker 1: dramatic but gradual and very hard to detect ways. We 1423 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,000 Speaker 1: should really all just be aware of it. We should 1424 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,240 Speaker 1: be aware of it, all right. Our three coming up 1425 01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:44,960 Speaker 1: teams stay with me the Freedom Hunt rocks online too. 1426 01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,680 Speaker 1: You can hang out with Team Buck anytime. Plus get 1427 01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,320 Speaker 1: bucks the latest news and analysis. Go to buck Sexton 1428 01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:55,120 Speaker 1: dot com. That's buck Sexton dot com. The Buck is 1429 01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:00,800 Speaker 1: back alright, team, We've got the healthcare expert x Straordinaire 1430 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,799 Speaker 1: on the phone. Oh vic Roy. He is the president 1431 01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:08,320 Speaker 1: of the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, Forbes opinion 1432 01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,519 Speaker 1: editor and author of transcending Obamacare and how Medicaid fails 1433 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:16,200 Speaker 1: the poor? Ovic great, have you, sir? Hey Buck? How's 1434 01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,439 Speaker 1: it going good? Good? Thanks for coming to hang out 1435 01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,599 Speaker 1: in the Hut. So we've talked a lot about healthcare 1436 01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:25,000 Speaker 1: ready in the show. But you you're somebody who dies 1437 01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,559 Speaker 1: very deep into this stuff and knows it backwards and forwards. 1438 01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,280 Speaker 1: Can you walk me through a little bit before I 1439 01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,400 Speaker 1: ask you? Just for the general winners and losers. Pre 1440 01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,960 Speaker 1: existing conditions got a ton of attention this week. What's 1441 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,439 Speaker 1: the reality of what this House bill does for previous 1442 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,719 Speaker 1: conditions and more generally, what's been happening with previous conditions 1443 01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:48,640 Speaker 1: under Obamacare? I mean, how big of an issue is this? Yes, so, 1444 01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:53,439 Speaker 1: first of all, the pre existing conditions problem is totally 1445 01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,320 Speaker 1: overrated as a problem in terms of a policy problem. Yes, 1446 01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,840 Speaker 1: it's a significant problem for the people who have pre 1447 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,280 Speaker 1: existing condition who can't can't afford in health insurance. But 1448 01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,240 Speaker 1: that turns out to be in terms of people denied coverage, 1449 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,800 Speaker 1: specifically who are denied coverage who ensures won't even offer 1450 01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,240 Speaker 1: coverage to, which is the problem Obamacare keeps talking about, 1451 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,679 Speaker 1: the Democrats keep talking about saying that they they solved 1452 01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,960 Speaker 1: with Obamacare. That problem affects a couple hundred thousand people 1453 01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,639 Speaker 1: in America at most, so it's it's a significant problem 1454 01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:24,320 Speaker 1: for those individuals, and we should try to solve that 1455 01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,000 Speaker 1: problem for those individuals. But you didn't need to take 1456 01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,280 Speaker 1: over or up end the entire healthcare system to solve 1457 01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,360 Speaker 1: that problem. Isn't it fair to say, oh, that that 1458 01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:36,760 Speaker 1: was really the primary emotional mechanism that was used to 1459 01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,960 Speaker 1: pass Obamacare, or that was used to sell Obamacare and 1460 01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,639 Speaker 1: give it political cover in the first place. Prediusing conditions 1461 01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:46,479 Speaker 1: I think was top of the list. Absolutely, And that's 1462 01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,760 Speaker 1: what that's what's so interesting. You know, it was at 1463 01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,040 Speaker 1: the top of the list because it pulled so well, 1464 01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,400 Speaker 1: oh yeah, we don't want people with pre conditions not 1465 01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,599 Speaker 1: to be able to have an offer of health insurance. 1466 01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,840 Speaker 1: But Obamacare care goes way beyond that. It says healthy 1467 01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,720 Speaker 1: people have to have double or triple the amiums so 1468 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,720 Speaker 1: that some sick people can get slightly lower premiums, which 1469 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,360 Speaker 1: in fact they rarely do. It says that we're going 1470 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,360 Speaker 1: to subsidize coverage for people in a way that basically 1471 01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:14,720 Speaker 1: massively uh drives up taxes and hammers economic growth, So 1472 01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:20,000 Speaker 1: it increases premiums, it raises taxes, suppresses the economy. It 1473 01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,519 Speaker 1: does help some people afford health coverage. But at the 1474 01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,120 Speaker 1: end of the day, Uh, there are better ways to 1475 01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:29,000 Speaker 1: achieve what Obamacare stated goals were. Uh, if you use 1476 01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,759 Speaker 1: free markets around the government. And what is the difference 1477 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,840 Speaker 1: between what the how spill. Let's let's assume that it 1478 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,080 Speaker 1: does become a law, which I think is unlikely as 1479 01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,479 Speaker 1: it stands. But let's just assume that it went forward. 1480 01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,240 Speaker 1: What would be the difference in how pre existing conditions 1481 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,840 Speaker 1: would be handled under the American Healthcare Act versus pre 1482 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:56,120 Speaker 1: existing conditions under Obamacare in terms of being offered coverage 1483 01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:00,599 Speaker 1: to be exactly the same. So, uh, this bild American 1484 01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:05,679 Speaker 1: Healthcare Act does not change Obamacare's requirement that every insurer 1485 01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,120 Speaker 1: has to offer you coverage, offer you some form of 1486 01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,960 Speaker 1: coverage regardless of your existing health stats. So that's that's 1487 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,000 Speaker 1: exactly the same as it was before. Now, there are 1488 01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:21,200 Speaker 1: differences between the Republican bill and Obamacare in how it 1489 01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:25,599 Speaker 1: provides financial assistance two people who have pre existing conditions. 1490 01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,479 Speaker 1: So if you imagine if you buy auto insurance after 1491 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,559 Speaker 1: you crash your car, your premiums are gonna be higher. 1492 01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,920 Speaker 1: If you buy homeowners insurance after you burned down your 1493 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,360 Speaker 1: house or someone else has burned down your house, your 1494 01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,080 Speaker 1: premiums are gonna be higher. It's the same thing with 1495 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,760 Speaker 1: health insurance. If if your health insurance, if you if 1496 01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,240 Speaker 1: you're already sick and you're gonna consume more healthcare, well 1497 01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,080 Speaker 1: obviously your premiums are gonna be higher because you're consuming 1498 01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:46,960 Speaker 1: more healthcare. That's how it would work in a normal 1499 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,760 Speaker 1: free market. Well, Obamacare has a rule saying no, we're 1500 01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,080 Speaker 1: gonna actually force insurance to charge healthy and take people 1501 01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:54,960 Speaker 1: the same. But what does that do. It doubles the 1502 01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,280 Speaker 1: premiums of healthy people, and that's why so many people's 1503 01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,680 Speaker 1: premiums have gone up under Obamacare. So publicans have a 1504 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,599 Speaker 1: different approach. Instead of forcing people to pay these gigantic 1505 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:07,360 Speaker 1: premium mics to cover sick, uninsured people, it says, look, 1506 01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,000 Speaker 1: let's all as a country, all three d millions of 1507 01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:12,080 Speaker 1: us to pay taxes. Are the ones who do pay taxes, 1508 01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,040 Speaker 1: Let's get together and say, you know what, We're going 1509 01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,920 Speaker 1: to provide a pool of money for those hard luck 1510 01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,160 Speaker 1: cases of people who you know, they lost their job, 1511 01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,280 Speaker 1: they're throwing off their insurance, can't get insurance, can't afford 1512 01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:25,559 Speaker 1: insurance in the open market. We're gonna provide some assistance 1513 01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,840 Speaker 1: through this thing called the High Risk Pool that helps them, 1514 01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,880 Speaker 1: and that's actually a much better approach than what Obamacare does. 1515 01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,040 Speaker 1: Does the high Risk Pool or is it likely to 1516 01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,600 Speaker 1: to have enough funding? I always assume of it that 1517 01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:39,519 Speaker 1: this will be more expensive than the government says it 1518 01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,320 Speaker 1: will be. But do you think it will be, roughly speaking, enough? 1519 01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,080 Speaker 1: That's always a a an appropriate assumption. Buck, as you know, 1520 01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,680 Speaker 1: I think it will be enough. But I think a 1521 01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:54,120 Speaker 1: bigger problem here with this bill is we've spent all 1522 01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,840 Speaker 1: this time, all this yacking about pre existing conditions, and 1523 01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,200 Speaker 1: again I don't want to minimize how serious of a 1524 01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,479 Speaker 1: problem is for the people who really experience it is 1525 01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,920 Speaker 1: a serious problem. But the much bigger problem is that 1526 01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,799 Speaker 1: for seventy years of federal government has been doing stupid 1527 01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,360 Speaker 1: things to the health insurance market and has made health 1528 01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,599 Speaker 1: insurance unaffordable for tens of millions of people, not because 1529 01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,240 Speaker 1: they have a pre existing addition, but because they don't 1530 01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,800 Speaker 1: make enough money to afford the crazy premiums that people 1531 01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,880 Speaker 1: are charging. Because the government basically forces them to. That's 1532 01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:26,880 Speaker 1: the problem we have to solve. We have to solve 1533 01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,439 Speaker 1: the problem of the government messing up the insurance market 1534 01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,280 Speaker 1: so health insurance is unaffordable for tens of millions of people, 1535 01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:35,240 Speaker 1: whether they're healthy or sick, instead of just focusing on 1536 01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,760 Speaker 1: the people who are sick. And we aren't doing that 1537 01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,880 Speaker 1: at least not enough in this bill because of all 1538 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,960 Speaker 1: the politics around pre existing condition. That's the thing that 1539 01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,519 Speaker 1: the Senate I think we'll really have to work out. Oh, 1540 01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,200 Speaker 1: vic Roi is with us. He's the president of the 1541 01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,599 Speaker 1: Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity. Oh. Because the New 1542 01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:53,280 Speaker 1: York Times that a piece up who wins and who 1543 01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,320 Speaker 1: loses the latest GOP healthcare bill. What's your assessment of that. 1544 01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,920 Speaker 1: Who wins who loses in terms of politics? Are in 1545 01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,880 Speaker 1: terms of people in the country. I'm sorry, I'm in 1546 01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:06,880 Speaker 1: terms of the people and how people who are getting healthcare. Yeah, Well, 1547 01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,800 Speaker 1: a taxpayers win because this bill has something like, you know, 1548 01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:14,519 Speaker 1: seven billion dollars over ten years of tax cuts. So that's, uh, 1549 01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,680 Speaker 1: those guys are winners. And that's a broad on the 1550 01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,680 Speaker 1: upper income tax payers. We should we should know. Um, 1551 01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,000 Speaker 1: it's it's it's also winner. For people who are paying 1552 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,080 Speaker 1: high premiums right now, particularly who aren't really eligible for 1553 01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:30,200 Speaker 1: the Obamacare subsidies, they're gonna see slightly lower premiums over 1554 01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,720 Speaker 1: time under this bill. Um, there are going to be 1555 01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,679 Speaker 1: some losers though, the people who are are making money, 1556 01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:40,639 Speaker 1: let's say, just above the poverty line ten a year, 1557 01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,240 Speaker 1: that kind of income. If you're if they're relatively old, 1558 01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,200 Speaker 1: if they're in their fifties and their sixties, too young 1559 01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:49,760 Speaker 1: for Medicare but too wealthy for Medicaid. If they're in 1560 01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,880 Speaker 1: that kind of gap, that bucket, they're gonna pay a 1561 01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,040 Speaker 1: lot higher premiums than people do today. And that's a 1562 01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,799 Speaker 1: problem that's fixable. This bill could cover those people, provide 1563 01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,040 Speaker 1: them a little bit more financial assistance, reduced financial assistance 1564 01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:03,599 Speaker 1: to other people who don't need to help as much, 1565 01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,040 Speaker 1: and get to a more balanced place. But the House 1566 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,599 Speaker 1: buill didn't do that. So, if you're in the individual market, 1567 01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:12,679 Speaker 1: what is the income range roughly speaking that we're talking 1568 01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,280 Speaker 1: about where people are you're making too much for medicaid, 1569 01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,680 Speaker 1: but you're also maybe not gonna be getting as much 1570 01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,800 Speaker 1: financial assistance from the government now to buy premiums on 1571 01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,040 Speaker 1: the individual market. I mean, is it what what what's 1572 01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:28,920 Speaker 1: the what's the range? Yeah, so it varies depending on 1573 01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,400 Speaker 1: the size of your household. The federal poverty level is 1574 01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:34,200 Speaker 1: what this is all anchored to. In the federal poverty 1575 01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,200 Speaker 1: level for a family of one a child was adult 1576 01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,120 Speaker 1: is to about twelve thousand bucks a year. The federal 1577 01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,439 Speaker 1: poverty level for a family of four is about twenty 1578 01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:47,160 Speaker 1: five thousand bucks a year. So we're talking about families 1579 01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,960 Speaker 1: or households that are and I don't want to throw 1580 01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,160 Speaker 1: too many numbers at you, too many numbers at your buck, 1581 01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,880 Speaker 1: but it's basically if you're within one times a poverty level, 1582 01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,200 Speaker 1: or say two to three times a poverty level, if 1583 01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,280 Speaker 1: you're making let's say twelve thousands and thirty six thousand 1584 01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:04,679 Speaker 1: bucks as an individual or to seventy five thousand bucks 1585 01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,000 Speaker 1: of family. For these are the people who are going 1586 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,479 Speaker 1: to see a lot less financial assistance out of this bill. 1587 01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,559 Speaker 1: And for people who are really interested in the details 1588 01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,360 Speaker 1: on this, they can go to the website of our 1589 01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:15,920 Speaker 1: think tank, the Foundation for Research and Equal Opportunities to 1590 01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,840 Speaker 1: pree opt dot org, f r e o PP dot 1591 01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,720 Speaker 1: org and there's a lot of charts and numbers in there. 1592 01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,120 Speaker 1: That describe all this stuff. So the Senate might take 1593 01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,760 Speaker 1: up their own version of this bill. That's what at 1594 01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,880 Speaker 1: least has been reported today, So it'll be based on 1595 01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,240 Speaker 1: I would assume similar architecture what the House has passed. 1596 01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,599 Speaker 1: But if the Senate won't pass what the House has 1597 01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,200 Speaker 1: passed and they do a different version of it, um, 1598 01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:40,160 Speaker 1: they can change some things, right, They'll just call it 1599 01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:43,160 Speaker 1: something else. They'll have another bill. If you were able 1600 01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,920 Speaker 1: to change this ovic or if you were part of 1601 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,920 Speaker 1: the group that would get together later on and try 1602 01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:51,800 Speaker 1: to and try to figure out how to make these 1603 01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,200 Speaker 1: disparate bills one what would you say, I mean, what 1604 01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,040 Speaker 1: what what should be different here? If you're in the 1605 01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,080 Speaker 1: conference committee, I mean what what would you tell them 1606 01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:03,000 Speaker 1: they should change? Yeah? So actually at at three opt 1607 01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:04,639 Speaker 1: dot org the same one episode I was talking about 1608 01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,439 Speaker 1: just a minute ago, there's an article entitled how to 1609 01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:12,040 Speaker 1: make Ryan Care premiums affordable for the near elderly and 1610 01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,640 Speaker 1: that it basically involves a very simple tweak that's been 1611 01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,680 Speaker 1: proposed by an Arkansas Congressman named Bruce Westerman. What he 1612 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,519 Speaker 1: proposed is very simple that you take this provision in 1613 01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,719 Speaker 1: the existing bill section two oh two. Actually, the existing 1614 01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,599 Speaker 1: bill that involves a transitional schedule tax credits for the years, 1615 01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:37,360 Speaker 1: if you just continue that schedule forth from onward instead 1616 01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,240 Speaker 1: of going to the flat pack credit that Ryan Care 1617 01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,599 Speaker 1: uh proposes instead, if you just keep the the way 1618 01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,200 Speaker 1: the tax credits work in nineteen and just keep that 1619 01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,760 Speaker 1: going forward, you would basically completely solve this problem. So 1620 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:54,240 Speaker 1: a very simple legislative tweak would actually address most of 1621 01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:58,479 Speaker 1: the problems in this bill. And can you buy No, 1622 01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,840 Speaker 1: you can't yet buy insurance across state lines based on 1623 01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,600 Speaker 1: the House bill, right, Yeah. And there's a reason for that, 1624 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:09,760 Speaker 1: which is that if you use the reconciliation process that 1625 01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:11,719 Speaker 1: that so you can have fifty votes and a sentence 1626 01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:16,559 Speaker 1: of the sixty um. That process is very technically complicated, uh. 1627 01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,120 Speaker 1: And the way the reconciliation bills work is you give 1628 01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:24,639 Speaker 1: these things called reconciliation instruction different committees in the Senate 1629 01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,920 Speaker 1: that then have to do certain things and things around 1630 01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:33,559 Speaker 1: buying insurance across state lines generally speaking, are the province 1631 01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,000 Speaker 1: of the Senate Judiciary Committee. And unfortunately this bill didn't 1632 01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,080 Speaker 1: contain any instructions for the Senate Judiciary Committee, so they're 1633 01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:43,160 Speaker 1: kind of stuck. But in theory what you could do 1634 01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:47,240 Speaker 1: if you deregulate the insurance marked enough, you can actually 1635 01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:51,040 Speaker 1: help people buy insurance across state lines through some other measures. 1636 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:52,840 Speaker 1: So that's the one thing I hope the Senate can 1637 01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,799 Speaker 1: do a little more work on, but they are wrestling 1638 01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:59,800 Speaker 1: with that technical problem. How the reconciliation instructions were developed 1639 01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:01,679 Speaker 1: for this bill. What great would you give the House 1640 01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:06,519 Speaker 1: bill that passed today? You know the article I'm writing 1641 01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,439 Speaker 1: up for Forbes as we speak, that's going to go 1642 01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:13,160 Speaker 1: on online tonight about this bill is uses grades, and 1643 01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,600 Speaker 1: I give I give the bill an A plus for 1644 01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:20,360 Speaker 1: what it does to address Obamacare's regulations. I give it 1645 01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:24,719 Speaker 1: a A C plus. Uh, maybe it's a C minus. 1646 01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,400 Speaker 1: I can't remember for what it does in the tax credits. 1647 01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,400 Speaker 1: So I think the tax credits are messed up. That's unnecessary, uh, 1648 01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,720 Speaker 1: saying about throwing people off their health assurance if they're 1649 01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,560 Speaker 1: in the working poor. And I'll give them a B 1650 01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,479 Speaker 1: to B minus for the Medicaid piece. And the reason 1651 01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:40,600 Speaker 1: why I give them a B two B minus for 1652 01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,080 Speaker 1: the medicaipie's actually I could give them an A for 1653 01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,360 Speaker 1: the MEDICAI piece. The medicaipiece is actually the most important 1654 01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,400 Speaker 1: part of this bill. It's ten times as important as 1655 01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:51,799 Speaker 1: Wealth Saver form. But they've unnecessarily jeopardized the Medicaid reforms 1656 01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,360 Speaker 1: in this bill by the structure of the tax credits. 1657 01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,120 Speaker 1: So if they fixed the tax credits that Bruce Westerman 1658 01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,479 Speaker 1: amendment I was talking about that revolves around section two 1659 01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,360 Speaker 1: or to this bill that Western amendment fixes, this bill 1660 01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:07,160 Speaker 1: makes it easier to do robust medicaid reform, covers more 1661 01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,000 Speaker 1: people at a lower cost, and actually gives you a 1662 01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:13,040 Speaker 1: more free market healthcare system than we have before Obamacare. 1663 01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,280 Speaker 1: So I think that's that's really what the opportunity is, 1664 01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:17,720 Speaker 1: and we'll just have to see the Senate gets there. 1665 01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,120 Speaker 1: Oh Vi Groys, president of the Foundation for Research on 1666 01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,920 Speaker 1: Equal Opportunity. He's a Forbes opinion editor. Looked for his 1667 01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:27,320 Speaker 1: peace coming up tonight on Forbes dot Com. Oh Vic, 1668 01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much, man. We always appreciate when you 1669 01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:33,000 Speaker 1: come and hang out. Hey, appreciate it. Buck Uh team. 1670 01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,880 Speaker 1: We are going to hit a break and we'll be 1671 01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:44,160 Speaker 1: back right after President Trump has announced his first foreign 1672 01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:51,360 Speaker 1: visit as the president United States. Tolerance is the cornerstone 1673 01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,360 Speaker 1: of peace, and that is why I am proud to 1674 01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:58,240 Speaker 1: make a major and historic announcement this morning, and you 1675 01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:03,160 Speaker 1: share with you that my first foreign trip as president 1676 01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:07,439 Speaker 1: of the United States will be to Saudi Arabia, then Israel, 1677 01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:13,080 Speaker 1: and then to a place that my cardinals love very much, Rome. 1678 01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:18,760 Speaker 1: So Trump is going to be stopping in Israel and 1679 01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:23,080 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia and Rome. Uh. He will be reaching out 1680 01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:28,479 Speaker 1: to various Muslim constituencies Muslim allies over the course of 1681 01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:33,799 Speaker 1: the trip. UM. He is also doing what previous presidents 1682 01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:36,439 Speaker 1: before Obama had done, which is to make sure that 1683 01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:40,920 Speaker 1: there is a stop on this first presidential foreign uh 1684 01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:45,559 Speaker 1: foreign visit. There's a stop in a in the Jewish 1685 01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,840 Speaker 1: state as well as in Muslim countries in the neighborhood. 1686 01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:51,479 Speaker 1: For reasons that are well pretty clear to anybody who 1687 01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,479 Speaker 1: pays attention to the news or who knows the history 1688 01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,880 Speaker 1: of the region at all. Likes to give some attention 1689 01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,599 Speaker 1: as the leader of the free world to um both 1690 01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:09,080 Speaker 1: sides in that ongoing relationship between Arabs and israelis. So he's, 1691 01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,320 Speaker 1: by the way, Obama did not do that, And in 1692 01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:17,599 Speaker 1: his first summer, is first year in office, he went. 1693 01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:22,960 Speaker 1: His first trip involved the address to Egypt. If you 1694 01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:25,479 Speaker 1: the address in Egypt, I mean to the Muslim world, 1695 01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,600 Speaker 1: which I'm sure many of you will recall, and it 1696 01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,400 Speaker 1: was part of what we later came to know as 1697 01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:35,240 Speaker 1: the either the apology tour or the bowing Tour, depending 1698 01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:39,560 Speaker 1: on which photo and which day in specifically we're referencing. 1699 01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:45,040 Speaker 1: But there was such a surge I remember it of Oh, 1700 01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:49,320 Speaker 1: Obama is going to make the world like us more 1701 01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:52,000 Speaker 1: and the world will be such a better place because 1702 01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:56,240 Speaker 1: Obama will like America more than it had. I'm sorry, um, 1703 01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:58,840 Speaker 1: the world will like America more than it has in 1704 01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:04,400 Speaker 1: the past because Obama is the president. Um. That didn't 1705 01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:07,880 Speaker 1: seem to really have any effect whatsoever. In fact, if 1706 01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,840 Speaker 1: you look at hot spots around the world, and this 1707 01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:14,519 Speaker 1: is a contention that I often made to the chagrin 1708 01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,320 Speaker 1: of both viewers and anchors over at CNN during my 1709 01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:21,160 Speaker 1: my years there, my two years there, Uh, if you 1710 01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,520 Speaker 1: look at hot spots places where there is violent conflicts, 1711 01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:26,400 Speaker 1: where u S interests are at stake, or where there 1712 01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,920 Speaker 1: is an active US hand in the conflicts, whether we're 1713 01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:34,840 Speaker 1: supporting indigenous forces or we have our own troops on 1714 01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:39,040 Speaker 1: the ground fighting. In each place where you would have 1715 01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:40,960 Speaker 1: been able to look on a map and say, well, 1716 01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,040 Speaker 1: this is a hot spot. There's bad stuff going on here. 1717 01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:45,240 Speaker 1: We gotta pay attention to this. Over the course of 1718 01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:48,680 Speaker 1: Obama's eight years in office, it got worse. Whether we're 1719 01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:52,680 Speaker 1: looking at Iraq or Syria, or Afghanistan or Libya or 1720 01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:56,519 Speaker 1: just go down, go down the list. There was no 1721 01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:00,800 Speaker 1: place Yemen. There was no place that Bamba could look at, 1722 01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:05,920 Speaker 1: you know, look at and say, um, this is a 1723 01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:08,360 Speaker 1: foreign policy success for us. In fact, that's why the 1724 01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:12,360 Speaker 1: Iran deal was so important the administration, because they viewed 1725 01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:17,080 Speaker 1: that as canceling out all the other chaos and uh, 1726 01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:22,680 Speaker 1: violence and destabilization. Although i am some that occurred in 1727 01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:25,080 Speaker 1: the Middle East, I'm somebody who likes to point out 1728 01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:28,560 Speaker 1: just because I'm because I'm keeping it real, uh that 1729 01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:30,760 Speaker 1: the Middle East is not a stable place. So when 1730 01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,639 Speaker 1: we're talking about destabilization, it's always a question of degree. 1731 01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:40,200 Speaker 1: But anyway, the Jewish state Israel noticed that Obama did 1732 01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:42,519 Speaker 1: not stop there on his first trip and went to Egypt, 1733 01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:47,040 Speaker 1: and that was the beginning of what would continue to 1734 01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:52,880 Speaker 1: be a contentious relationship between the Obama administration and Israel 1735 01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:56,120 Speaker 1: and Prime Minister and Yahoo Israel, which we're all quite 1736 01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:59,719 Speaker 1: aware of. But Trump going to Saudi Arabia is interesting. 1737 01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:03,800 Speaker 1: So Arabia is uh An ally and a problem at 1738 01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:08,000 Speaker 1: the same time, and it is an allied government but 1739 01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:15,160 Speaker 1: a problematic uh Wahabi ideology. This is perhaps a conversation 1740 01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:17,040 Speaker 1: we should happen in more depth than another time, and 1741 01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm happy to do so. This is right and the 1742 01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:24,120 Speaker 1: wheelhouse of what I studied and worked on for many years, radicalization, 1743 01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:29,120 Speaker 1: terrorism um and the various ideal with various strains of 1744 01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:34,439 Speaker 1: Islam and uh An Islamic ideology that are the fuel 1745 01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:38,599 Speaker 1: for that radicalization. Wahabism is a term that we use 1746 01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:43,479 Speaker 1: for the brand of Islam in Saudi Arabia, but they 1747 01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:48,400 Speaker 1: don't particularly like that. They being well, it's it's fallen 1748 01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:52,360 Speaker 1: out of favor as a term because it refers specifically 1749 01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:55,920 Speaker 1: to a preacher I believe in them about the eighteenth 1750 01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,719 Speaker 1: century on the Saudi but in so even ibn abdul 1751 01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:02,320 Speaker 1: hub And so Wahabism almost makes it sound like they're 1752 01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:07,719 Speaker 1: they are worshiping this uh this preacher, this fundamentalist preacher 1753 01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:11,880 Speaker 1: wa hub Um, and that's not obviously what they're doing, 1754 01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:16,519 Speaker 1: but he is very tied in with the tribes and 1755 01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:19,840 Speaker 1: the power structure there and then the fighting. And I'm 1756 01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:22,360 Speaker 1: doing about what would be an hour long. We could 1757 01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:24,519 Speaker 1: do much more time on on even of the hub, 1758 01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:28,479 Speaker 1: but that will be another day. Um Salafi is Um 1759 01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:31,240 Speaker 1: is a more broad spectrum term that people tend to 1760 01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:36,240 Speaker 1: use for Islamic UH. Well, hardliners Slavs are the founding 1761 01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:39,479 Speaker 1: fathers of Islam. They are the forefathers of Islam, the 1762 01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:44,759 Speaker 1: first califs. Remember the the caliphate is led by a caliph, 1763 01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,840 Speaker 1: and the caliph in the early days of Islama, of 1764 01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:51,240 Speaker 1: course you had Muhammed and then the first prophets or 1765 01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:54,880 Speaker 1: the first not profits the first leaders after him, they 1766 01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,519 Speaker 1: were leaders of a caliphate. UM. But the Saudis are 1767 01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:01,519 Speaker 1: necessary for us to counterball Iran and Iranian interests in 1768 01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,439 Speaker 1: Iran in the midst of a major military build up UH, 1769 01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,240 Speaker 1: and so we we work with the Saudis. The government 1770 01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:12,600 Speaker 1: is friendly to us interests and is willing to I 1771 01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:16,720 Speaker 1: would think be useful going forward against the Iranians. But 1772 01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:23,240 Speaker 1: they're also the greatest exporters still of sola fist Islam, 1773 01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:29,040 Speaker 1: which causes problems for us from Boston to Baghdad to Bangladesh. 1774 01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:36,519 Speaker 1: We'll be right back, bug Sexton with America. Now the 1775 01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:40,759 Speaker 1: Freedom Hut is fired up as team Buck assembles shoulder 1776 01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:45,960 Speaker 1: as shoulder shields high call in eight four four D Buck. 1777 01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:50,839 Speaker 1: That's eight four four D to eight to five. Today's 1778 01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:54,680 Speaker 1: a national day of prayer, and President Trump took it 1779 01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:58,040 Speaker 1: as an opportunity to unveil another executive order, this time 1780 01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:04,760 Speaker 1: about religious freedom. We remember this eternal truth. Freedom is 1781 01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:10,719 Speaker 1: not a gift from government. Freedom is a gift from God. 1782 01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:17,840 Speaker 1: That is why I am signing today an Executive Order 1783 01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:24,640 Speaker 1: to defend the freedom of religion and speech in America, 1784 01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:28,960 Speaker 1: the freedoms that we've wanted, the freedoms that you fought 1785 01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:33,519 Speaker 1: for so long. So you're now in a position where 1786 01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:36,439 Speaker 1: you can say what you want to say, and I 1787 01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,120 Speaker 1: know you'll only say good, and you'll say what's in 1788 01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:42,560 Speaker 1: your heart. This executive Order directs the I R. S 1789 01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:49,879 Speaker 1: not to unfairly target churches and religious organizations for political speech. 1790 01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:56,439 Speaker 1: No one should be censoring sermons or targeting pastors. Not 1791 01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:59,360 Speaker 1: the heart of all this is the Johnson Amendment, which 1792 01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,840 Speaker 1: was named for then Senator Lyndon Johnson of Texas. The 1793 01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,320 Speaker 1: Johnson Amendment says that if you're five oh one C three. 1794 01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:09,719 Speaker 1: You cannot engage in political activity or lest you lose 1795 01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:13,200 Speaker 1: your tax exempt status. So what does this executive order 1796 01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:16,519 Speaker 1: today mean? Got somebody who can give us all the answers? 1797 01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,920 Speaker 1: Hans von Spakovsky's the line, everybody. He's senior legal fellow 1798 01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,920 Speaker 1: at the Heritage Foundation, former FBC commissioner, and a d 1799 01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:26,559 Speaker 1: o J lawyer, also author of the book Obama's Enforcer, 1800 01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:30,439 Speaker 1: Eric Holder's Justice Department. Hans, good to have you, sir, good, 1801 01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:32,960 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. All right, so the CEO comes 1802 01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:38,960 Speaker 1: out today. What's what's the So what does it do anything? Well, no, not, 1803 01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:44,599 Speaker 1: oh Hans, it's like it's it's it's actually pretty weak. 1804 01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:47,680 Speaker 1: I mean, look it it talks about the importance of 1805 01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,599 Speaker 1: religious liberty and and then it says, well, we're gonna 1806 01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:55,599 Speaker 1: honor and enforce existing laws. Well, that's what we would 1807 01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:59,880 Speaker 1: expect the government to do. And uh, it does say 1808 01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:03,160 Speaker 1: that that the Treasury should be lenient and enforcement of 1809 01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:06,880 Speaker 1: the Johnson Amendment. You know, that's that's the amendment that 1810 01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:12,600 Speaker 1: Lyndon Johnson got passed to try to restrict the activities 1811 01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:16,599 Speaker 1: of churches and other nonprofits because he was mad during 1812 01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:19,719 Speaker 1: his election process, and some of the churches were saying 1813 01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:23,400 Speaker 1: that Johnson would be a good guy uh in office. 1814 01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:26,080 Speaker 1: But what really needs to happen is the Johnson Amendment, 1815 01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:31,760 Speaker 1: UH needs to be repealed by Congress. And look, it's 1816 01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:37,000 Speaker 1: it's got good sentiments behind it, but uh, I don't 1817 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:41,840 Speaker 1: think it really does h that much different than what's 1818 01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:44,599 Speaker 1: already going on. I mean, give you a good an example, buck, Uh. 1819 01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:51,200 Speaker 1: It says that he directs h HHS, you know, Health 1820 01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:58,439 Speaker 1: and Human Services to UM consider amending the regulations over 1821 01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:03,400 Speaker 1: people who object the contraception mandate in in Obamacare. But 1822 01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:07,360 Speaker 1: they were already told to do that by the Frame 1823 01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:10,479 Speaker 1: Court in the Liberal Sisters of the Poorer case. So 1824 01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:15,599 Speaker 1: there there's there's nothing really substitive or significant in the order. 1825 01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,120 Speaker 1: And correctly if I'm wrong, Hans. But but the Johnson 1826 01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:22,680 Speaker 1: Amendment as it stands now for enforcing the law, the 1827 01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:27,000 Speaker 1: Johnson Amendment, that would mean that churches that do political 1828 01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:30,200 Speaker 1: activity could have their five one C three status provoked, 1829 01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:32,840 Speaker 1: that that they could be there could be I R. S. Penalties. Um. 1830 01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,200 Speaker 1: But aren't they pretty leadent on that already. I mean, 1831 01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,160 Speaker 1: isn't that How often do they actually use the Johnson 1832 01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:42,400 Speaker 1: Amendment to go after a church. Well, they don't. I 1833 01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:47,120 Speaker 1: mean you and I both know, because it's been plainly 1834 01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,400 Speaker 1: obvious for years. And for example of you know, very 1835 01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:55,160 Speaker 1: very black churches in the South and elsewhere. Uh, they 1836 01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:58,440 Speaker 1: engage in a lot of the little activity political activity 1837 01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:02,200 Speaker 1: before federal election. They often give sermons telling people who 1838 01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:05,680 Speaker 1: they should vote for, and then they organize, you know, 1839 01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:11,680 Speaker 1: bussing their members to uh to the polls. And no 1840 01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:14,320 Speaker 1: one's ever really said very much about that. Yeah, I'm 1841 01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:16,920 Speaker 1: gonna guess that that the Department of Justice as a 1842 01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,639 Speaker 1: general rule that does not strip the taxis and status 1843 01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:22,960 Speaker 1: away from historically black churches. I'm guessing that doesn't happen 1844 01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:26,920 Speaker 1: in recent years. Know that they don't, and that's been 1845 01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:33,080 Speaker 1: the course the most active uh political activity of nonprofits instead, 1846 01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:35,760 Speaker 1: as you know, instead of going after that, you know 1847 01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:40,080 Speaker 1: what did the Obama I r s do know, they 1848 01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:45,880 Speaker 1: went after tea Party nonprofits UM for coming out and saying, well, 1849 01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:49,760 Speaker 1: they thought that policies like Obamacare were bad, which isn't 1850 01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:55,320 Speaker 1: really political activity. That's grassroots activity about an issue we're 1851 01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:59,360 Speaker 1: speaking of. Hans von Spakovsky of the Heritage Foundation, Hans, 1852 01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:02,280 Speaker 1: you said the Johnson and mon should be repealed. So 1853 01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:05,599 Speaker 1: then what would that mean? And do you think there 1854 01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:09,599 Speaker 1: should be a replacement that has more clarity or should 1855 01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:12,640 Speaker 1: it just be repealed and that's it. No, I think 1856 01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:15,040 Speaker 1: it should repeal. I think we should go back to 1857 01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:19,080 Speaker 1: the situation we had before that. You know, people say, oh, well, 1858 01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:23,560 Speaker 1: then uh, they're gonna get engage in political activity and 1859 01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:26,240 Speaker 1: the end. Yet they're you know, they're not taxed. But 1860 01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:31,160 Speaker 1: look purely political organizations, you know, five twenty seven organizations, 1861 01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:35,200 Speaker 1: political committees, they're not taxed either. So why in the 1862 01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:40,599 Speaker 1: world are we restricting uh, nonprofits like churches from for example, 1863 01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:44,599 Speaker 1: having their ministers say, look, you know, I think particular 1864 01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:49,599 Speaker 1: candidates are are not good, and uh, I think people 1865 01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:53,080 Speaker 1: should consider that when they go into the polls. I 1866 01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:55,240 Speaker 1: really don't see a problem with Yeah, what what what's 1867 01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,840 Speaker 1: the So I'm sitting here thinking, okay, so what is 1868 01:42:57,880 --> 01:42:59,800 Speaker 1: the counter argument? What's the big one? Why not? Let 1869 01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:01,800 Speaker 1: first of all, it's already happening, as we discussed, and 1870 01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:05,360 Speaker 1: it's happening in a lot of churches. Um, but why 1871 01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:09,560 Speaker 1: why not? What's the counter argument to that? Well, the 1872 01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:14,360 Speaker 1: counter argument is people saying wrongly that well, then you're 1873 01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:17,639 Speaker 1: going to be subsidizing political activity. But like I said, 1874 01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:24,120 Speaker 1: you know churches, nonprofits, those aren't profit making, uh institutions, 1875 01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:27,240 Speaker 1: You know their nonprofits, Well, how do they exist? They 1876 01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:33,240 Speaker 1: exist on the contributions from their members. Well, the contributions 1877 01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:35,680 Speaker 1: from the members. Those are already taxed. You know, all 1878 01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:40,280 Speaker 1: their members have to pay income taxes on the money 1879 01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:42,600 Speaker 1: they earned. If they take some of that money and 1880 01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:47,479 Speaker 1: contribute it to a membership organization, why should it be taxed? Again, 1881 01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:51,479 Speaker 1: a very worthy question, Hans, for one for which I 1882 01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:53,160 Speaker 1: don't have a ready answer. It's out to me like 1883 01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:57,040 Speaker 1: we should get Rither Johnson, anything Lyndon Johnson, Lyndon Johnson's name, 1884 01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:59,640 Speaker 1: Audis should probably get a second look. But let's go 1885 01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:03,519 Speaker 1: to areas. What are areas right now? If I could 1886 01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:07,759 Speaker 1: get you in the Oval Office with with President Trump 1887 01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:10,719 Speaker 1: and some of his top advisors and they're like, all right, Hans, 1888 01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:12,920 Speaker 1: where do we where do we need to fight the 1889 01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:16,320 Speaker 1: religious liberty fight? I mean, what are the places where 1890 01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:20,280 Speaker 1: there should be action taken either by the White House 1891 01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:24,680 Speaker 1: or more likely perhaps by the Congress to give us 1892 01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:28,760 Speaker 1: the level of religious liberty that we should have. Well, 1893 01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,840 Speaker 1: I'll give a very specific example. Look right now, there 1894 01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:36,200 Speaker 1: are several cases pending before the U. S. Supreme Court. 1895 01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:39,840 Speaker 1: These are cases in which parties have asked petition the 1896 01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:45,280 Speaker 1: Supreme Court to review them. Their cases involving photographers, bakers, 1897 01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:49,440 Speaker 1: people who have been fined and driven out of business 1898 01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:55,439 Speaker 1: by state human rights commissions because they were trying to 1899 01:44:55,560 --> 01:45:00,360 Speaker 1: force them to participate in in gay marriages. And those 1900 01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:04,719 Speaker 1: are those are cases where the US Justice Department ought 1901 01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:09,120 Speaker 1: to go in and support the requests for those cases 1902 01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:12,200 Speaker 1: to be reviewed, because the lower court decisions in those 1903 01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:16,080 Speaker 1: cases are straight out and at blatant violations of the 1904 01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:19,519 Speaker 1: religious liberties of Americans under the First Amendment. So how 1905 01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:22,519 Speaker 1: how would that mechanism work? If we have a an 1906 01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:28,840 Speaker 1: evangelical cake baker in Colorado who's been fined dollars for 1907 01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:31,720 Speaker 1: refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding ceremony. 1908 01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:34,640 Speaker 1: What could what what can the federal government do as 1909 01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:37,360 Speaker 1: a form of redress or at least to address what's 1910 01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:41,400 Speaker 1: going on? Well, what's going on is that those those 1911 01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:45,559 Speaker 1: groups are trying to get the Supreme Court to accept 1912 01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:48,960 Speaker 1: for review the lower court decisions which found against them. 1913 01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:52,880 Speaker 1: What ought to happen is the Justice Department itself should 1914 01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:56,479 Speaker 1: file a brief with the Supreme Court urging the Court 1915 01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:59,840 Speaker 1: to take the case and overturn the lower court. The 1916 01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:05,759 Speaker 1: Supreme Court takes very seriously when the Justice Department comes 1917 01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:08,240 Speaker 1: in and says you ought to take the case, and 1918 01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:12,559 Speaker 1: that that's really important because literally thousands of cases get 1919 01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:15,640 Speaker 1: filed with the Supreme Court asking them to take up 1920 01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:18,400 Speaker 1: an appeal. Yet the court only takes a little over 1921 01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:22,400 Speaker 1: eight cases a year. Are there any major religious liberty cases? 1922 01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:24,760 Speaker 1: I haven't looked at the Supreme Court docket recently. There 1923 01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,439 Speaker 1: any major religious liberty cases that are expected to be 1924 01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:31,680 Speaker 1: taking up in the next the next session, well, uh, 1925 01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:36,599 Speaker 1: for this session? So no, So no, there aren't. All 1926 01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:39,880 Speaker 1: we're waiting for at the moment is will they accept 1927 01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:43,240 Speaker 1: for review these cases that I'm talking about now. The 1928 01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:45,960 Speaker 1: one case that we are waiting for a decision on 1929 01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:50,479 Speaker 1: is the Trinity Lutheran case UM out of Missouri. That 1930 01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:52,360 Speaker 1: was a case it was argued just two weeks ago 1931 01:46:52,439 --> 01:46:55,720 Speaker 1: before the Court. That's that's a case where uh, the 1932 01:46:55,760 --> 01:47:01,439 Speaker 1: Missouri had a program providing UM reside go tires to 1933 01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:05,200 Speaker 1: any school in the state UH to to redo their 1934 01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:09,960 Speaker 1: playgrounds to make them safer for kids. Uh, they refused. 1935 01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:16,400 Speaker 1: They refused to allow a church playground, a church school 1936 01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:19,720 Speaker 1: with a playground to apply for that solely because they 1937 01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:23,080 Speaker 1: were church. Otherwise they met all the qualifications of the program. 1938 01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:26,920 Speaker 1: The lower courts said, that was okay, that's now before 1939 01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:29,840 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, and I think you're actually going to 1940 01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:32,720 Speaker 1: get a decision from the court saying you can't do 1941 01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:37,160 Speaker 1: that anymore than you can withhold fire and police protection 1942 01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:40,200 Speaker 1: from a church just because there are a church. And well, 1943 01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:43,400 Speaker 1: what was the justification there was that there's a merger 1944 01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,280 Speaker 1: of church and state. If if some old tires keep 1945 01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:50,719 Speaker 1: kids from from knocking their heads on the cement, that's 1946 01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:54,400 Speaker 1: exactly it. And and as stupid as that sounds, yes, 1947 01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:57,680 Speaker 1: that was the argument of Missouri. Nay. Alright, Well, we'll 1948 01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:00,519 Speaker 1: keep an eye out for that one. Hans Vons Maca everybody, 1949 01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:04,440 Speaker 1: senior legal felt the Heritage Foundation, author of Obama's Enforcer, 1950 01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:09,000 Speaker 1: Eric Holder's Justice Department. Hans, always a pleasure, sir, Thanks 1951 01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:12,080 Speaker 1: for having me team hitting a break here, and then 1952 01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:18,000 Speaker 1: we're going to finish up strong. Be right back. It's 1953 01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:21,679 Speaker 1: to follow up to a discussion before about the first 1954 01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:30,840 Speaker 1: foreign travel of UM of President Trump. Uh he has. Sorry, 1955 01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:32,400 Speaker 1: I had it right here, give me one second pulling 1956 01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:36,640 Speaker 1: it up President Trump, Uh he has. He had to 1957 01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:39,920 Speaker 1: travel internationally. Sorry, there we go. But Obama, Clinton, and 1958 01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:45,160 Speaker 1: Bush had each visited at least one country at this point, 1959 01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:51,960 Speaker 1: um in their presidencies. Uh so. But on the other hand, 1960 01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:56,880 Speaker 1: Trump has traveled to eleven states. I think it's yes, 1961 01:48:57,000 --> 01:49:01,120 Speaker 1: visiting eleven states and taking office. Obama visit did nine 1962 01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:06,040 Speaker 1: countries during his first one days, attempting to quote reset 1963 01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:08,599 Speaker 1: U S policy in the Middle East and elsewhere after 1964 01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:14,160 Speaker 1: many years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan. So um, 1965 01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:23,240 Speaker 1: that's the that's the update there. Now onto onto flights, um, 1966 01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:26,719 Speaker 1: and what goes on with flights these days. The United 1967 01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,840 Speaker 1: Airline situation was something that we all I think we've 1968 01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:32,600 Speaker 1: talked about here on the show. But we all saw it, right. 1969 01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:36,320 Speaker 1: We all saw that it was like whoa United brought 1970 01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:39,479 Speaker 1: out the brought out the stormtroopers and uh and pulled 1971 01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:42,360 Speaker 1: that guy out of his seat. And you've seen all that. 1972 01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:48,560 Speaker 1: That that of course has UH ramifications. People now recognize 1973 01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:54,719 Speaker 1: that when they are now confronted by a perhaps surly 1974 01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:58,960 Speaker 1: airline employee, they can stand their ground and know that 1975 01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:02,360 Speaker 1: someone's gonna pull out a video or you know it's 1976 01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:04,000 Speaker 1: pull out a cell phone and take a video of this, 1977 01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:08,040 Speaker 1: and the we're gonna just grab you and manhandle you 1978 01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:12,000 Speaker 1: and drag you through the aisle situation not very likely. 1979 01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:14,160 Speaker 1: But that also means that now you get into some 1980 01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:17,920 Speaker 1: of the more intricate back and forth over who's right 1981 01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:20,240 Speaker 1: who's wrong on the airline, or who's right and who's 1982 01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:23,680 Speaker 1: wrong on a flight with the airlines. Um, and you've 1983 01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:27,080 Speaker 1: got this family from California, Brian Sheer with his wife 1984 01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:31,760 Speaker 1: and two children. They're on a Delta Airlines flight Delta Airlines, 1985 01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:39,519 Speaker 1: and um, here's the situation. They bought two tickets for 1986 01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:42,840 Speaker 1: his two children, and one of the children went on 1987 01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:44,560 Speaker 1: an earlier flight. I guess he's a you know, of 1988 01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:46,720 Speaker 1: h to travel on his own, and so they still 1989 01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:48,479 Speaker 1: he's still paid for two seats. He's got one kid, 1990 01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:51,320 Speaker 1: and they want to take the smallest child and put 1991 01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:57,360 Speaker 1: him in a child seat in one of these airline seats. 1992 01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:01,200 Speaker 1: And the airline is saying, oh, no, your person whose 1993 01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:04,360 Speaker 1: name is on that ticket is not here, so we 1994 01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:09,120 Speaker 1: want to use that empty seat for of course, as 1995 01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:14,200 Speaker 1: the airlines do an overbooked passenger, and that leads to 1996 01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:22,360 Speaker 1: the following exchange. Honestly, you're not going to budge other people. 1997 01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:24,360 Speaker 1: Then they can mean then they can remove me off 1998 01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:27,960 Speaker 1: the flight and federal offense, and they don't. You want 1999 01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:31,400 Speaker 1: your wife until and your kids will be all right? Okay, okay, 2000 01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:33,600 Speaker 1: so my kid wait, so my wife, we're gonna be 2001 01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:37,200 Speaker 1: in jail and my kids are gonna be what I 2002 01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:40,280 Speaker 1: bought that seat, Okay, I understand it's wrong making it 2003 01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:44,240 Speaker 1: right right right, I paid I'm not in a ticket 2004 01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:46,479 Speaker 1: on another flight, So then my son would have a seat. 2005 01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:48,720 Speaker 1: And you're saying, and you're saying, you're just gonna get 2006 01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:50,599 Speaker 1: you're gonna give that away to someone else that when 2007 01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:53,320 Speaker 1: I paid for that seat, that's not right. No, they're not. 2008 01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:55,479 Speaker 1: We're fully known right now with him being two, he 2009 01:51:55,560 --> 01:51:57,719 Speaker 1: cannot sit in the car seat, and excu's the purpose 2010 01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:01,040 Speaker 1: of making the nazis saying here in your arms the 2011 01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:03,320 Speaker 1: whole time. He can't like to anything. He couldn't even 2012 01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:05,080 Speaker 1: be honest. We were on the person with the whole 2013 01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:09,439 Speaker 1: way on adults and that that's unfortunately, unfortunately, I don't 2014 01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:10,600 Speaker 1: know what to tell you. I'm just trying to do 2015 01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:13,880 Speaker 1: the best sign now the situation, it's not going to move, 2016 01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:15,559 Speaker 1: and so we can you guys are and that's fine. 2017 01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:17,599 Speaker 1: We can all sit here on nine if you guys 2018 01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:20,320 Speaker 1: want to do. And I get that it's wrong. I 2019 01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:23,160 Speaker 1: really paid for that. You understand that there's the left 2020 01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:24,840 Speaker 1: and then now you don't want anyone there, so you 2021 01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:26,639 Speaker 1: want another passenger and I'll sit there the whole flight. 2022 01:52:26,680 --> 01:52:30,559 Speaker 1: I get that based for the seat, you know, get 2023 01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:34,240 Speaker 1: out the aviation lawyer. Uh, there's a lot of a 2024 01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:36,800 Speaker 1: lot of moving pieces on this one. So he paid 2025 01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:39,879 Speaker 1: for the seat. But they're telling them that there's a policy. 2026 01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:42,800 Speaker 1: And I don't know that you can't have a child 2027 01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:45,080 Speaker 1: of a certain age sitting in a seat even you know, 2028 01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:48,680 Speaker 1: even in this I don't know. But of course, to 2029 01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:50,640 Speaker 1: a normal person, I think you figure you paid for 2030 01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:53,080 Speaker 1: the seat. You're there, it's your seat. You paid money 2031 01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:56,040 Speaker 1: for it, right, that's like your real estate. The airlines 2032 01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:58,479 Speaker 1: though they're always like no, there's all these there's all 2033 01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:00,800 Speaker 1: these other rules that you have to deal with. There's 2034 01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:05,920 Speaker 1: all these other considerations that come into play. Um, So 2035 01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, I think this guy realizes and it's an 2036 01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:13,280 Speaker 1: unfortunate circumstance. They got pulled off the flight. Uh. Delta 2037 01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:15,840 Speaker 1: has apologized and said that they're refunding their money and 2038 01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:19,280 Speaker 1: also providing quote, additional compensation. I don't think it's like Mr. 2039 01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:24,559 Speaker 1: Dow compensation, but because that guy, that guy is gonna 2040 01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:27,000 Speaker 1: be lightning cigars with hundred dollar bills for the foreseeable 2041 01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:30,120 Speaker 1: future of my friends. Um. But I'm sure that they 2042 01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:32,880 Speaker 1: they made this problem because they don't want the pr nightmare. 2043 01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:34,920 Speaker 1: They don't want to see like a five percent stock 2044 01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:37,439 Speaker 1: drop tomorrow, because they wanted this one seat for this 2045 01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:40,920 Speaker 1: one overbook passenger and they got into this whole thing. Um. 2046 01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:46,559 Speaker 1: So yeah, this is now the situation between passengers and airlines. 2047 01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:48,799 Speaker 1: And I gotta say we can expect this going forward 2048 01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:51,480 Speaker 1: where passengers know that all they need is to videotape 2049 01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:54,880 Speaker 1: this and this strong arm tactics of the airlines not 2050 01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:58,559 Speaker 1: not quite as strong anymore. Um. In this case, it's 2051 01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:00,760 Speaker 1: a little more I'm a little more well. I mean, 2052 01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, is it really a rule about the child 2053 01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:06,080 Speaker 1: seat and the uh you know, or can you really 2054 01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:08,320 Speaker 1: like if somebody bought five empty five seats on a 2055 01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:09,880 Speaker 1: plane and they just want to keep them empty and 2056 01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:12,360 Speaker 1: there are five people that need a flight home. Does 2057 01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:15,559 Speaker 1: the airline have the based on the carriage or the contract, 2058 01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:18,439 Speaker 1: carriage of contract or whatever it's called, the airline thing 2059 01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:20,320 Speaker 1: that tells you your rights whatever that I see. I'm 2060 01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:23,200 Speaker 1: not an not an aviation lawyer. Clearly, Uh can they 2061 01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:25,519 Speaker 1: do they have the legal right under the contract that 2062 01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:26,880 Speaker 1: you sign when you buy the tickets to give those 2063 01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:30,320 Speaker 1: seats away. It's a it's a little complicated, but the 2064 01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:32,200 Speaker 1: real problem here is the moment she says you and 2065 01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:34,400 Speaker 1: your children are going to jail. I think everyone's like, 2066 01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:37,680 Speaker 1: WHOA slow down, lady, Like, no one needs to be 2067 01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:40,640 Speaker 1: sending a husband, wife, and their two small children to 2068 01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:45,840 Speaker 1: prison over an airline seat. So another one of these situations. 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