WEBVTT - Alicia Keys: 5 Ways to Overcome Self Doubt & Build Confidence Within

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like I had to protect myself from being

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<v Speaker 1>hurt from people that I love. You got a special

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<v Speaker 1>guest to build a ninety million records soul.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixteen times a Grammy winning Resistant.

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<v Speaker 1>But Alicia Keys, You're going to get to that pole.

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<v Speaker 1>You see that light. After the pole, You're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>to that light. You see that tree after the light,

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to get to that tree. And I discover

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<v Speaker 1>that that is how we get where we're going. If

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that you love, go after it because it's

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<v Speaker 1>meant for you.

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<v Speaker 2>The Number one health and Wellness Podcast, Jay Shetty Ja

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<v Speaker 2>Shetty See one Only Shed. Hey, everyone, welcome back to

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<v Speaker 2>on Purpose, the place you come to become the happier,

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<v Speaker 2>healthier and more healed. I'm so grateful for the amazing

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<v Speaker 2>conversations that I get to have, which are all about

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<v Speaker 2>human evolution, growth, purification, and cleansing. Today's guest is someone

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<v Speaker 2>who has talked about this at length in an amazing memoir,

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<v Speaker 2>in a document entries in so many forms, and today

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited that we finally have her on the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast in the flesh in person, although her voice and

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<v Speaker 2>her energy speaks through the microphone at any time. Today's

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<v Speaker 2>guest is the one, the only. Alisha Keys, a sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>time Grammy Award winning singer let Me say it Again,

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen time Grammy Award winning singer, songwriter, musician, producer, founder

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<v Speaker 2>of Key Soul Care, which you'll be hearing about today

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times best selling author, film, television and Broadway producer,

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<v Speaker 2>as well accomplished actress, entrepreneur, and a powerful force in

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<v Speaker 2>the world of activism. Alisha is one of the original

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<v Speaker 2>founders of She Is The Music, an initiative to create

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<v Speaker 2>change for women and build an equal future for music.

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<v Speaker 2>Alisha has sold over sixty five million records, over five

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<v Speaker 2>billion streams, and built an unparalleled repertoire of hits and accomplishments.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell's Kitchen, the thirteen time I'm Tony Award nominated original

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<v Speaker 2>stage musical. Alicia diligently worked for thirteen years to create

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<v Speaker 2>Open on Broadway at the Schubert Theater on April twentieth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. Today we're talking about Alicia's holistic beauty

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<v Speaker 2>and skincare line, Key Soul Care, which I can't wait

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<v Speaker 2>for you all to try. Welcome to On Purpose, Alicia

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<v Speaker 2>Keys that's so.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird, Like when you do all of that, there's something

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<v Speaker 1>about it that's just so fascinating and just wow, And

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for having me. And I can't believe we're

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<v Speaker 1>in a flesh for the first time on this show,

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<v Speaker 1>on this show, you know what I mean. This is

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<v Speaker 1>so good and I love your show and I love

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<v Speaker 1>your Your life's purpose is so beautiful. So thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for having me in your space. I'm loving this.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been so wonderful to me over the years. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>we've had such a sweet relationship whenever we've collaborated, and

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<v Speaker 2>from day one, you've always been so giving. But seeing

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<v Speaker 2>as you reacted to them that way, I wonder whether

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<v Speaker 2>little Alicia, if she saw that that was her life ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>what would have been her reaction if she heard all

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<v Speaker 2>of those things were going to happen in her life?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you lying, like you lying, right? I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as a kid, I really do remember having these dreams

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<v Speaker 1>and visions and desires and wishes. But you just don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what is going to come for you. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what's in your world or what's going to come

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<v Speaker 1>into your world. And I think a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>we are built to doubt the possibilities for ourselves, and

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<v Speaker 1>so for self preservation and protection, we say, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably not gonna be that way for me, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know how it goes from you do

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<v Speaker 1>these things, and I remember doing these things, and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't until I stopped doing those things that things really

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<v Speaker 1>started to change. So I still have a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>insight of me that that is that little girl that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, you know, you protect, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>protect what might go wrong, and so I find that

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<v Speaker 1>I do that sometimes, which maybe is what happened when

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<v Speaker 1>you just rattled off all those things, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit like, it's so crazy and weird and

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<v Speaker 1>strange and amazing at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, that's very relatable, I think for people to

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<v Speaker 2>hear that right now, to think that there was a

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<v Speaker 2>time in your life where doubts and anxiety and fear

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<v Speaker 2>would creep in. Further, it always exists for all of us,

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<v Speaker 2>but that it controlled a part of your life. What

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<v Speaker 2>were some of the doubts and fears and anxieties you

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<v Speaker 2>had growing up, whether it was to your dreams or

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<v Speaker 2>whether it was to life in general.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? About when you were out,

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<v Speaker 1>how about yesterday, you know what I mean, how about

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<v Speaker 1>like three days ago? Like as a kid growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>I think some of my fears really circulated around I

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<v Speaker 1>remember I felt I felt fear full that I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>or I felt like I had to protect myself from

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<v Speaker 1>being hurt from people that I loved. I remember that

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<v Speaker 1>that that was a that was a thing, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had to figure my way through that. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of lack that I was worried about. I was

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<v Speaker 1>worried about this state of lack or not having enough money,

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<v Speaker 1>or not having enough, not being able to hold on

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<v Speaker 1>to what you started to get, or things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to do a lot of work around that.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a lot. That was a big one, because

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you really can perpetuate that cycle just simply

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<v Speaker 1>by the fact that you believe it can happen, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And so that was a big one. I think that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a there's a lot of there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fear or anxiety or worry around rejection. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of that, especially as I started

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<v Speaker 1>to become more some a public figure where people you know,

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<v Speaker 1>could kind of choose to like or dislike. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a it was. It's a difficult journey to understand that

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<v Speaker 1>you you're never gonna please everyone, period, and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>spend your all, you're gonna tear yourself apart trying to

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<v Speaker 1>like make sure every single thing is the way someone

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<v Speaker 1>else wants it to be. But I had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fear about that, and I really was. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a struggle for me and I, you know, I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be accepted. I wanted to be liked. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be you know, I wanted to hear a positive

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<v Speaker 1>reflection back to me, you know, And so it took

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<v Speaker 1>a long time to kind of be like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I can't depend on that, you know. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to find my own stability. I have to find my

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<v Speaker 1>own intuition. I have to find what I believe in,

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<v Speaker 1>and at least I can stand on that. At least

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<v Speaker 1>I can say I.

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<v Speaker 2>Really believe that one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if it didn't work out, but I really

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<v Speaker 1>believed it, and I'm proud of it, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. And that's a big one, you know, talk

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<v Speaker 1>about even yesterday, I mean Hell's Kitchen, where we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about Hell's Kitchen, which is my musical, which has been

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<v Speaker 1>a big dream in the making. There were moments where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, is this gonna work? Like, what if the

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<v Speaker 1>whole I have this whole vision, I know what I want,

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<v Speaker 1>But what if for some reason, the whole thing doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>go the way I want? What does that mean? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you have many, many, many dollars, You have investors that

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<v Speaker 1>you promised them to trust you. Can I carry this?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I hold this? Can I manifest this? Terrifying? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I would speak to my kids about it just

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<v Speaker 1>because I wanted them to know that it's scary. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's scary to dream. But does that mean I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna dream it. I'm not gonna try it?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I have to.

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<v Speaker 1>So tons of things have been that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel like so many people who are listening right now

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<v Speaker 2>would say, at least I feel the same way. I

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<v Speaker 2>talk to myself in my head and I think I

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<v Speaker 2>can't do it. I'm not meant for it. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna happen for me. And at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>they have this voice inside of them that says, you're

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<v Speaker 2>made for more, You're made of more. I know I

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<v Speaker 2>need to believe in myself and we kind of feel

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<v Speaker 2>this internal battle. How did you What was the work

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<v Speaker 2>you had to do in order to go from someone

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<v Speaker 2>who was anxious, doubtful to become someone who manifested this beautiful, incredible,

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<v Speaker 2>full life. Not that it's easy that it came immediately,

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<v Speaker 2>but what was the work in the beginning stages that

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<v Speaker 2>you had to reorient your mind?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great question. I think one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that I had to come to terms with is that

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much nothing is going to come in the time

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<v Speaker 1>frame that you think is going to come. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>and that's helpful because I think a lot of us

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<v Speaker 1>are you know. I mean, we're in such a digital

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<v Speaker 1>space and we see all these things, and we're bombarded

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<v Speaker 1>with all these images, and we're bombarded with all these

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like carefully crafted posts of perfection, and you

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<v Speaker 1>get freaked out about it. Right, But I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and fortunately I didn't really have to grow up looking

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<v Speaker 1>at that, so I empathize deeply with this generation. We

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<v Speaker 1>have to evolve as young people on a whole other level.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I even had to navigate. But what I mean

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<v Speaker 1>by and why it relates is I did I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like I've grew up in New York City. Everybody's a hustler.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta go fast, you gotta make it happen. You

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<v Speaker 1>gotta stay up all night and get up cracking dawn.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not gonna happen if you don't. And I realized, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as hard as I try to push the

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<v Speaker 1>thing forward, when it's time, it's time. And if it's

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<v Speaker 1>not time, it don't matter what I do. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how much sleep I don't get, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be time until it's time. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that steadiness of like kind of you just

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<v Speaker 1>have to put one foot in front of the other,

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<v Speaker 1>is just as simple as that. And I remember when

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<v Speaker 1>I did my first marathon. I ran in Greece, and

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<v Speaker 1>I figured I'd never do another marathon, so I might

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<v Speaker 1>as well do something forgettable. But I could. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>figure out how it's gonna make it. Everything hurt, my

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<v Speaker 1>feet hurt, my back hurt, my lower back hurt, my

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<v Speaker 1>abs hurt, my body ached, and I couldn't figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how am I gonna get there? And I remember I

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<v Speaker 1>was running with my friend who trained with me and

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<v Speaker 1>helped me, and he said, you see that pole, You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get to that pole. You see that light after

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<v Speaker 1>the pole, you're gonna get to that light. You see

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<v Speaker 1>that tree after the light, You're gonna get to that tree.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was literally that, step by step, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I discovered that that is how we get where we're going,

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<v Speaker 1>like this increment of small, determined moments. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>think that as well as coupled with taking that negative

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<v Speaker 1>talk out of your space, like being very conscious it happens,

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<v Speaker 1>it's in your head, you hear it, You're like tell

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<v Speaker 1>yourself the opposite thing. I mean, that's how I started

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<v Speaker 1>to really get into affirmations, which I realized that I

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<v Speaker 1>had to create what I wanted to hear. And oftentimes

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<v Speaker 1>it's so many times it's the barrage of everyone else's

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<v Speaker 1>doubts and fears. And your parents, you inherited theirs, and

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<v Speaker 1>you inherited all your peers things, and you got all

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<v Speaker 1>these things insiety, they're not even yours. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>had to create this connection with affirmations that allowed me

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<v Speaker 1>to say what I wanted to hear. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>had to become very mindful to notice the negative so

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<v Speaker 1>that I could replace it. And when I did that.

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<v Speaker 1>It really changed everything. It changed a bunch and I

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<v Speaker 1>had to stop saying things that I heard my mother say.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to stop saying things that I heard whoever

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<v Speaker 1>else I trusted say, because it wasn't serving me, because

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<v Speaker 1>she had picked up some stuff that I didn't need

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up. I didn't need to hold it. Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that has been How how many marathings have you done? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I've done too. A di Greece and I did New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And I realized the craziest thing. I realized that what

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<v Speaker 1>I was experiencing, that ache, that pain, that lower back,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it was childbirth.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that because the first time I hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>given birth. But when I gave birth, I recognized the

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<v Speaker 1>sensations and it was similar to a marathon.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of crazy, but there was a strength

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<v Speaker 1>there that, you know, was really empowering. So only two.

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<v Speaker 1>My brother's trying to get me do another one. I'm like, nah, be,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>My wife'stard in London this year for the first time

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<v Speaker 2>she's been training.

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<v Speaker 1>It's cool when you do it, it's phenomenal and you

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<v Speaker 1>really you really discover that it's that your mind is

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<v Speaker 1>stronger than your physical being, and you really can find

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<v Speaker 1>this place that you didn't know you could.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. What was your affirmation this morning? Mmm?

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<v Speaker 1>My affirmation depends on the day, right, So today my

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<v Speaker 1>affirmation is just I'm going to be on time because

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<v Speaker 1>I struggle to get my kids to school on time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's killing me. My my youngest son has just changed

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<v Speaker 1>schools and he's going to another, so so now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>taking both kids to two separate places. I'm struggling. And

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<v Speaker 1>my second affirmation is I forgive myself. It's okay, like grace,

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<v Speaker 1>have grace with yourself. You're trying your best. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like you're messing around and doing whatever. You're really trying

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<v Speaker 1>your best and you're gonna figure out the rhythm of

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<v Speaker 1>this thing. Have some grace.

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<v Speaker 2>I love those. They're so practical. I think all of

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<v Speaker 2>us can do all of them right. They're great. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And the time one's funny because it rends with my mom.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom had to do the same for me and

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<v Speaker 2>my sister because all boys schools, you're into an old

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<v Speaker 2>girls school, and so my mom would have to drop

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<v Speaker 2>her and then drop me all the other way around.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it is it's.

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<v Speaker 1>More than a notion. You think I could do this

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<v Speaker 1>if I just leave by this time, and for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>that time comes and goes over and over. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>all good.

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<v Speaker 2>But I love how simple that is. Like I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people all think affirmations always have to

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<v Speaker 2>be this profound, like incredible statement, and you're like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just to be on time, and it's to forgive myself

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<v Speaker 2>And that's so real because we need to forgive ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's okay, it's okay, it's really okay. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because you want the best, you want the best for yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>you want the best for your family, you want the

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<v Speaker 1>best outcome, you know, and it all comes from a

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<v Speaker 1>good place. But I think sometimes we can beat ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>up so badly about things that you know, we can

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<v Speaker 1>just give ourselves a little bit of a break and

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<v Speaker 1>we can start again and try again.

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<v Speaker 2>And Okay, what was the last thing you beat yourself

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<v Speaker 2>up about really badly where you were like, I really

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<v Speaker 2>made myself feel comfortable, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I really try not to do that. I really do,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I really I feel like I have a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good sense of self and I feel like I have

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good sense also of like reality, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't over obsess and I don't over kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not overly mean to myself. But I did think

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<v Speaker 1>about that the other day and I did I did this.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't put it up yet, but I did this.

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<v Speaker 1>I do these things called piece of piece and and

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<v Speaker 1>I call this speak to me nice, because you're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna let someone else talk to you just any type

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<v Speaker 1>of way. You're like, excuse me, how did you just

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<v Speaker 1>you just speak to me nice? But you yourself will

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<v Speaker 1>speak to yourself in these crazy ways. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of was like just reflecting on you telling yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>me telling myself speak to me nice, like talk to

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<v Speaker 1>me with kindness and love. I learned that from my

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<v Speaker 1>son a lot, because my youngest he is he's he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a little tough on himself, and I'm like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>speak to yourself nice. And so I think that is

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<v Speaker 1>something that that I've learned how to embody. And I

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<v Speaker 1>really try not to spin out too much, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are times of course you just you know you,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm like this is really doing no good. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really freaking out, and I was just like, why what

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<v Speaker 1>are we doing in this space in this cycle? Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you got to freak out, though, Yeah, because you got

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<v Speaker 1>to learn something from it. You have to like take

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<v Speaker 1>away whatever that is or that energy or that person

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<v Speaker 1>who's spinning you like that, or that trigger that's triggering

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<v Speaker 1>you like that, and you do have to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>spin out just to be like WHOA that actually gets

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<v Speaker 1>to me a lot why I've been learning a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a I always like to remind people that

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<v Speaker 2>guilt blocks growth, and shame doesn't help you shift, and

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<v Speaker 2>judgment doesn't help you transform. Guilt blocks growth completely. It

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<v Speaker 2>makes you wallow more in your guilt, and shame makes

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<v Speaker 2>you feel stuck and shackled by it. Yes, and transformation

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<v Speaker 2>is stunted when we're not able to be nice, kind,

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<v Speaker 2>give ourselves grace. And it's funny because we all think

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<v Speaker 2>we can guild ourselves into moving. But I kill myself enough,

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<v Speaker 2>then maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll change, I'll be motivated.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe you will for like a couple of days,

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<v Speaker 2>but over time it runs out. If you shame yourself

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<v Speaker 2>into change, maybe for a couple of days you'll eat better,

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<v Speaker 2>work out more. Whatever it is that you have your

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<v Speaker 2>personal challenges with but it's not sustainable, Like shame and

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<v Speaker 2>guilt are not sustainable emotions and they run out of

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<v Speaker 2>steam very quickly. And I was thinking about something that

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<v Speaker 2>you've spoken about before, is your journey with your own skin,

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<v Speaker 2>and like how you've had skin anxiety. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>at one point you went completely like no makeup at

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<v Speaker 2>one period of time in your life. And then now

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<v Speaker 2>of course you have this. You know, you're in the

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<v Speaker 2>beauty industry now as well, and you really care about

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<v Speaker 2>how people care about their internal and the casing that

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<v Speaker 2>we all have. And I know that you, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>live a conscious, spirited life, which I really want to

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<v Speaker 2>dive into. But I think often those of us who

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<v Speaker 2>live spirit your lives, we can be quite negligent of

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<v Speaker 2>our casing and of this body, and you can.

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<v Speaker 1>You can kind of disconnect, disconnect from it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, disconnect from it right right. And so I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you, how is your relationship changed with your skin?

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<v Speaker 2>That was something that brought you anxiety?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, my gosh, I confident in skin. I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>was forever, it was literally forever that I really struggled

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<v Speaker 1>with my with my skin. And you know you're a

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<v Speaker 1>teenager and your hormones and you get it and it's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, I was like eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I was twenty three, and then I was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight, and then I was thirty, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>was like thirty five, and I'm like, WHOA, when does

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<v Speaker 1>this thing stop? Like when I thought like sixteen, eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, maybe why is it continuing? And it was

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<v Speaker 1>really hard to especially to be in spaces where you

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<v Speaker 1>would present yourself and you would feel just so self

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<v Speaker 1>can I just felt so self conscious and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a big bump right here, And then most

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<v Speaker 1>people are like, I don't even see the damn bump.

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<v Speaker 1>But I see the bump right here, and it's huge,

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<v Speaker 1>and it feels really uncomfortable. You know, you just feel uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to know why too, You want to know

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<v Speaker 1>what's the matter? Is something wrong? Why? I thought, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>what can I do to help this? And so that

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<v Speaker 1>definitely caused me a lot of anxiety. I started in

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<v Speaker 1>the music world when I was eighteen, and so that

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<v Speaker 1>was right kind of at the precipice, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>stress of the whole universe of music was just so much,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was trying my best to play it cool

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<v Speaker 1>and like I can handle it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was stressful. It was a whole new world.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to carry a new weight on my shoulders

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<v Speaker 1>and try to you know, kind of like be calm

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<v Speaker 1>while or cool while doing it, and it was tricky

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<v Speaker 1>and my skin. I learned that my body react to stress.

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<v Speaker 1>Our bodies react to stress. My personal body physically reacts

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<v Speaker 1>to stress. Many of our personal bodies do this, which

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<v Speaker 1>is obviously why even many diseases come to us from stress,

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<v Speaker 1>because physically, it's a physical manifestation of this feeling, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why it is so important for us to figure out,

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<v Speaker 1>like what gives you peace, what calms you down, what

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<v Speaker 1>makes you feel safe and like you're in your skin

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<v Speaker 1>and you're yourself and these type of things. And so

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<v Speaker 1>of course I didn't know what that was for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, but I realized that it was these relationships

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<v Speaker 1>I was attracting, and it was the you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>level of commitment I was agreeing to that left no

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<v Speaker 1>space for me to reflect, or to sleep, or to

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<v Speaker 1>be with my friends. And you know, do those have

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<v Speaker 1>those outlets that do give you a sense of calm,

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<v Speaker 1>and so my skin was so reactive that I said,

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<v Speaker 1>one day to myself, if I one day I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to make something that fixes this, this, I'm gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>something about this, because I know I'm not the only one.

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<v Speaker 1>And I realized as I began to you know, live

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<v Speaker 1>and experience so many different parts of my life, motherhood

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, raising young kids and finding time for

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<v Speaker 1>yourself really and getting rid of those toxic energies that

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<v Speaker 1>were attacking me in real life. I realized that you

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<v Speaker 1>really have to take care of your soul, like like

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<v Speaker 1>you have to take care of your soul. So this

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<v Speaker 1>philosophy of soul care really came from all of these

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<v Speaker 1>understandings and all of these realizings that no one's going

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<v Speaker 1>to do it for me. Like no, as much as

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<v Speaker 1>I really really wish someone would stand up and be

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<v Speaker 1>like you, you're not good for her, get out of here,

0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:01.800
<v Speaker 1>that thing you you need to stop, No, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to be the judge of that. And therefore I have

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<v Speaker 1>to find my way to the understanding of how do

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<v Speaker 1>I hear myself to know what is good and what

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<v Speaker 1>is not, or what is real or what is true?

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<v Speaker 1>And so There were many things that brought me to

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<v Speaker 1>that place. Some of them were meditations that brought me

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<v Speaker 1>there and really brought me to a more intuitive space.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them were just practicing the art of like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think? No, I know six friends said this, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that very strong energy that always tells everybody

0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.720
<v Speaker 1>what they think, said this, but what do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>And that became the practice of soul care, and also

0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:44.800
<v Speaker 1>these ideas of ancient rituals and what are some special

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<v Speaker 1>ways that we can have peace and calm? And I

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<v Speaker 1>was attracted to crystals and their powers and their meanings.

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<v Speaker 1>I was attracted to journaling. And I have a very

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<v Speaker 1>difficult time as a kid. I had a difficult time

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<v Speaker 1>expressing my truth. And I realized that when I would

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<v Speaker 1>ernal or do the stream of consciousness I could. I

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<v Speaker 1>could actually just release it. I could let it go.

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<v Speaker 1>And if I'm not good at doing that to someone

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<v Speaker 1>else because I didn't trust as fully, I can do

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<v Speaker 1>it with myself, you know. And so these practices of

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<v Speaker 1>how do you kind of like depend on yourself to

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<v Speaker 1>find your own grounding became my idea of what soul

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<v Speaker 1>care is, which eventually became how I said I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to make that thing to fix that thing became this

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<v Speaker 1>key soul care, And the idea is, to me, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a philosophy, it's a way of life. It's a lifestyle

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<v Speaker 1>to me, you know. You know, the beauty industry or

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<v Speaker 1>the skincare industry, just like the music industry, all of

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<v Speaker 1>it is kind of creating how to live within the chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>And so how do we do it? Nobody teaches us.

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<v Speaker 1>Normally it's a blessing if someone does, but normally it's

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<v Speaker 1>not so finding these ways through affirmations, through the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of really connecting to yourself and using the affirm are

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<v Speaker 1>on every battle. Because the idea is you ash your face.

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<v Speaker 1>You do that every day with the golden cleanser. You

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<v Speaker 1>can also think about how I'm devoted to this moment

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<v Speaker 1>because so many times we're over here, over there, back there.

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<v Speaker 1>How can you just be right here with yourself right now?

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<v Speaker 1>And so the idea is like creating this mixture of

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<v Speaker 1>ancient rituals and we're skin meets soul and sole care

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<v Speaker 1>because we have air care, hair care, and nail care,

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 1>body care, home care, but we never had soul care.

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<v Speaker 1>Why so I want to start it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so beautiful. I mean, I couldn't agree more.

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<v Speaker 2>As someone who was very negligent of a lot of

0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.200
<v Speaker 2>this stuff like growing up and not really thinking about it,

0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:45.439
<v Speaker 2>I've seen the value of I'm a big fan of affirmations, right.

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:50.760
<v Speaker 2>I think, even when it comes to cleansing my face,

0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 2>what that means, what that feels like, how different I

0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:56.720
<v Speaker 2>feel internally because of it, How it can be a

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<v Speaker 2>reminder to continue to cleanse and detox the soul as

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:04.359
<v Speaker 2>well as that which is around me. There's so much

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 2>of that connection from body, mind, spirit, and soul that

0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:10.919
<v Speaker 2>that I think we lose and we don't realize how

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.399
<v Speaker 2>interconnected they all are. Well, you were saying about stress,

0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I found really powerful because so for me, my stress

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:20.400
<v Speaker 2>shows up as tightness in my body, like I feel

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.920
<v Speaker 2>my stress is like it gets stored in my neck

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:25.880
<v Speaker 2>or my shoulders, and then I'm just feeling tight. Even

0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 2>though I was like, I didn't know I was stressed,

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:30.600
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what I was going through. And as

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 2>you're saying, for some people it shows up in their skin.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you, there's a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>an addiction. We also have to stress and drama and

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.359
<v Speaker 2>there's this feeling sometimes where we prefer it when we

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:46.560
<v Speaker 2>have stress and busyness, and we're workaholics and we like

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.120
<v Speaker 2>the drama, and almost when there's peace, we almost get

0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 2>confused and lost because the exactly we get scared, right, So,

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 2>what would you say to someone who's actually they'd listen

0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:58.680
<v Speaker 2>to us right now and they're like, wow, I just

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:02.359
<v Speaker 2>realized that that's why I am. I actually like I

0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:04.560
<v Speaker 2>choose stress. Because do you.

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Think people come to that realization.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think people do it consciously, but I think

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 2>unconsciously when I sit with people, they'll find that their

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:18.880
<v Speaker 2>inherited choice is to naturally stay busy, work a lot,

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:23.480
<v Speaker 2>create drama in their relationship, whatever it is, because we're

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 2>more used to it, not because we're bad people or

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 2>because we're wrong, but because we kind of feel familiar.

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:33.680
<v Speaker 2>And I'll give you the opposite example. I have lots

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 2>of friends who will be like, oh, I'm dating this

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 2>guy and it's really peaceful on board, and so there's

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 2>that right where people actually have like peace and stillness

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 2>and connection. We're like, yeah, yeah, there's nothing to talk about.

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.399
<v Speaker 2>So I don't think it's something that people do on purpose.

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:51.520
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think it's something that people even do

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:53.880
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0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:57.679
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<v Speaker 1>I am familiar with that as well, and I'm kind

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>of was just telling you that I had the best

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:28.680
<v Speaker 1>summer and it was my first summer where you know,

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 1>the last two summers I was on tour and obviously

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.879
<v Speaker 1>those are just such a monster universe to try to

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:36.960
<v Speaker 1>like harness, and this summer was just like I was like,

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I am creating peace this summer. I am doing the

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 1>things that everything I can imagine I want to do,

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing it this summer. And it was really liberating,

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 1>really liberating. But it also does reflect to myself back

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>to your point, the connection to the busyness equaling success

0:28:56.120 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>or the busyness equaling you know, something positive, when surely

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 1>there's positivity there for sure, But there is an addiction

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that I think comes with this idea of having to

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 1>fill every minute and fill every second. And also there's

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 1>the avoidance that we're all likely experiencing where we don't

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>really want to face all the things underneath the things.

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 1>So if we stay as busy as possible, we are

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>like literally we don't even have time to think about

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>those things or to reflect on those things. And so

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I do understand that lifestyle because I feel like for

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 1>quite a while, I didn't even I would just say

0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 1>yes because I'm used to saying yes, yes, right, And

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I realized, wait, okay, you don't have to say yes.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 1>So do you want to say yes? Do you actually

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 1>want to say yes, or do you just feel obligated

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 1>to say yes for any number of reasons. So I

0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 1>think it's very powerful. I think you're right totally. The

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>drama that we are, we've been conditioned.

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 2>That's why I would right to.

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 1>It's around us, it's what we see every day. We've

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>seen our parents experience it in different ways. We've seen

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 1>our friends go through it in different ways, and therefore

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 1>that becomes the normal for us, and when we kind

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>of crave it, we become addicted to it even without

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 1>knowing it. So I think that practice of like that

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 1>that perhaps is one of the opening When you said,

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 1>how did you get to a place where you could,

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, find yourself in a where you are? I

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 1>think part of that practice really did have to come

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 1>to spending time with myself, and I made every excuse

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 1>why I could spend time so my kids. I can't

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>do it. My kids, you know, I can't leave them

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 1>by themselves. I can't do it because I got to

0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, who else is going to do. I got

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 1>to feed the family, you know, we gotta do and

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 1>they all seem valid. Makes sense to me, Yeah, that's true.

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Your kids.

0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 1>You should probably make sure your kids are good. And

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 1>if I don't make sure I'm good, how can I

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 1>make sure anybody is good? Ever, And so spending time

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>with myself was I fought against it so much, but

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 1>when I started to do it, I realized that I

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 1>was more powerful than i'd ever been, and I was faster.

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I was able to do things quicker and more efficiently

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 1>because I was so cloudy, you know, And that was cool.

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 1>That was cool when you start to feel that where

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, I don't have to spend so much

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>time doing whatever action because I actually know what I

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 1>want to do blah blah blah blah, and I'm decisive. Man.

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 1>I felt so good. I had never felt decisive before

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>in my life. I'd never felt clear, without thousands of

0:31:56.080 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 1>other opinions, I never felt like my own self, so

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 1>that was big. But spending time with myself was I

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>believe one of the keys to that.

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when I'm hearing you talk about how much we

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.320
<v Speaker 2>have to filter from the outside world, you mentioned a

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 2>few times your parents, people's parents, like a lot of

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>a lot comes from our parents. And I know you

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>spoke about so beautifully in your book that I got

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 2>to interview about, which I love that. It was such

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 2>a it is such a beautiful memoir that you wrote

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 2>a few years back. And I was wondering what I

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 2>always think about our parents giving us gifts and gaps,

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 2>and we give us certain gifts and they leave certain gaps,

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 2>and we end up spending our whole life trying to

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 2>get other people to fill those gaps and give us

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 2>the same gifts, and it creates a lot of good

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 2>things and issues. So I was going to ask you,

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 2>what would you say the gifts you got from your

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.520
<v Speaker 2>mother and father and what were the gaps that they

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:50.239
<v Speaker 2>left and how did they affect you? Oo?

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me sit up for it takes my shirt

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>real quick. The gifts, the gifts. One of the gifts

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>that I got from my mother. I would say it's her,

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>it's her strength. I feel like I really, I really

0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:13.320
<v Speaker 1>bore witness to a woman who was like not to

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 1>be like she just really now. I don't know if

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 1>she wore that as an armor, you know, or what

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>that was, but I found her to be quite like

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:29.480
<v Speaker 1>like straight and clear and strong, and there was kind

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 1>of no getting around it, and you kind of just knew, Okay,

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 1>this is what it is. And I feel like I

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:40.239
<v Speaker 1>really received a lot from that as a woman, as

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 1>a young woman, as a woman who would have to

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.959
<v Speaker 1>be at the forefront of her own life and career

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>and really have to be in my space of power,

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 1>be around a lot of people that want to take

0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 1>your power, still your light, you know, lead you in

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>the wrong spaces. I had to kind of be in

0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:00.120
<v Speaker 1>my strength, and I did receive that from her. I

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 1>received from my father, was I think. I think I

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 1>think I also received a level of self determination because

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:18.399
<v Speaker 1>I had a unique relationship. My mother and my father

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 1>were not married or together, and so one I had

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 1>to learn that that's actually not unique or different. You know,

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 1>there's not some kind of like family structure that's like

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>the main one I think we get the painted that

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 1>picture so much and then we feel so true, we

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 1>feel uncomfortable that ours doesn't look like that. But so

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I had to kind of know who I was also

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 1>even in our relationship, and so I got a sense

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 1>of self as well. Sense of self. The gap from

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:50.479
<v Speaker 1>the sense of self that I received from my father

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 1>was probably maybe some feelings of not being worthy. So

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I received of that I had to restructure my brain around.

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 1>And from my mother, I think I got a sense

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 1>of fixing. I had to fix everything because in a

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:16.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of ways, if she was strong and angry, I

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.719
<v Speaker 1>had to be like soft and accommodating and kind of

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:26.160
<v Speaker 1>fix the situation. And so I think I received some

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 1>of that, which I also had a real wire No, no, no,

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 1>I can't fix everything. I just can't, And I can't

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.440
<v Speaker 1>be in my relationships like that because that's not gonna work.

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Man took lots of time, But those are my gifts

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>and my guess I'm asking that to many people. This

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:43.240
<v Speaker 1>is a great question.

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it has such a we don't realize

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:50.719
<v Speaker 2>how much of an impact it has on every relationship

0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 2>that comes after those relationships with our parents, and how

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.240
<v Speaker 2>it becomes like the guiding map of our whole life.

0:35:57.680 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 2>And then you look back and you go, why am

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.320
<v Speaker 2>I expecting someone to give me this gift? It's like,

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 2>because my parents gave me. And now I want everyone

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 2>that loves me to show me they love me in

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 2>this way, and I want them to fill this exact gap.

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 2>And if they don't fill this gap, then they don't

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 2>love me. Because that was where that's self worth you

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 2>are saying of like, because if you were made to

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:19.280
<v Speaker 2>feel unworthy in a certain way, then you think anyone

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 2>who doesn't show you love in that way, then they

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 2>don't think you're worthy. But they may not they're not

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 2>aware of the gift and the gap right and there

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 2>as well, So that's the Yeah, it's a lot. It's

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:32.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot. And I mean obviously you've been married for

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:38.280
<v Speaker 2>what fourteen years? Yes, that's amazing, that's beautiful.

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>We're like, whoa, that's crazy, it's brilliant love it.

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you look I always whenever I see. But if

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 2>you seem so happy and joyous and you know, complimentary

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 2>to each other, I think what I found really fascinating

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 2>in relationships is what people end up teaching each other.

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 2>What would you say, Swiss has been able to teach you,

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 2>and what have you taught him?

0:36:56.160 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 1>He's definitely taught me how to be like much more

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 1>in the flow, Like it's all about kind of the

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 1>magic of the moment and allowing the flow, like just

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:12.479
<v Speaker 1>slide into the slipstream let it happen, like, let it happen.

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 1>That's been a big lesson he's given me. And what

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:20.759
<v Speaker 1>I've been able to give him is probably a little

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:25.840
<v Speaker 1>bit more of like, let's design what we want to happen,

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, as we're letting it happen, let's also like

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 1>design it and craft it and strategize it and create

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.839
<v Speaker 1>it and schedule it so that it can really really happen.

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>And I love how we balance each other like that.

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 1>There's been just so much growth between us and so

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:44.320
<v Speaker 1>in such a positive way because we really do compliment

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 1>each other, so it feels natural in those ways.

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 2>So I'm you and my wife Swizz, So I'm like

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 2>that very very like I'm like strategy designed, intentional life

0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 2>and she's just like this. But I wanted to ask you,

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 2>is those things seem like they're at loggerheads with each other, right,

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:09.839
<v Speaker 2>Like they seem like on the outside, that would seem like, well,

0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 2>if he's like go with the flow and you're like, yeah,

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:14.280
<v Speaker 2>but we need to know what we're doing, that sounds

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 2>like a terrible matchup. Like that sounds like a fight

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 2>ready to you know, explode, waiting to happen. Yeah, and

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 2>an explosion because that's completely contradictory in terms of him

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.760
<v Speaker 2>being in flow and same with RADI like being completely

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 2>this bundle and ball of energy and joy and then

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:34.840
<v Speaker 2>we're both trying to be more thoughtful and strategic. So

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.320
<v Speaker 2>how does that How have you allowed each other to

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 2>operate as who you are and take without feeling like

0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 2>someone's trying to change you or that you've got to

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:47.359
<v Speaker 2>be someone else or they've got to be someone else.

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I think it's I think it's a good point. Well,

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 1>first of all, I don't think I think actually it

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 1>tends to work better when there's two different perspectives, right,

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:57.840
<v Speaker 1>because if you think exactly what I think and I

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>think exactly what you think, and we might get to

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:05.320
<v Speaker 1>that place of boredom or to discussed. But what I

0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 1>took from what you said on board, I took almost

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 1>like there's not a stimuli, right, There's not like the

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:14.280
<v Speaker 1>stimulation that comes sometimes, and I think that might happen

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:17.760
<v Speaker 1>if you're almost too similar. There's a stimulation from meeting

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.800
<v Speaker 1>and opposition and meeting like a different way of thinking,

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and then having to think about it and put it

0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>into your world. So yeah, I think that the flow

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:31.879
<v Speaker 1>is just because I love how he thinks, and how

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 1>he thinks is so uniquely him, and it does inspire me.

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.399
<v Speaker 1>And yet I can still be connected to my own

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and similar lee. I think how I think does inspire him.

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 1>He says, let me think about that more, let me

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:46.400
<v Speaker 1>put a little more thought into how we're doing this,

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:49.520
<v Speaker 1>And yet doesn't have to take him from his own

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:54.279
<v Speaker 1>so Ever, since the day our vows were about this

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>idea of loving with an open hand, there's a beautiful

0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 1>thought of loving with an open hand, and you know

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 1>that everyone should be free to fly as they want

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:06.959
<v Speaker 1>to fly. It should never be a closed hand over

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 1>around someone.

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Like that.

0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, it should be this open hand, And so

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.839
<v Speaker 1>we really have always looked at it like that. He'll

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:19.040
<v Speaker 1>always says, she's her own boss. I don't have anything

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:22.360
<v Speaker 1>to do with whatever she's choosing. Don't call me, and

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 1>asked me to try to get her I can't. She's

0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:28.520
<v Speaker 1>her own boss, so talk to her about whatever that

0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:32.400
<v Speaker 1>might be. And and so there's always been that respect

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:35.280
<v Speaker 1>there that we each have our own way of flowing

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 1>and it works.

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 2>It works. That's beautiful to hear. And I love that.

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Did you write there was that poem that you came across?

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I can remember where that came from, but I wrote

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:47.399
<v Speaker 1>a song about it that never came out, no way, Yeah,

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 1>And I always loved that metaphor so do I.

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Just as when you were moving your hands for anyone

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.359
<v Speaker 2>who's not watching right, Alicia was moving her hands from

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:58.280
<v Speaker 2>being open to like holding one of her hands closed.

0:40:59.080 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 2>And we do that.

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 1>We like stifle each other and hold each other and

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>demand these things and don't want people to be free

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 1>to express and feel fear and worry when people are

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>bright and shining, and we feel, you know, sometimes afraid

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:16.920
<v Speaker 1>of that that they would somehow not need us anymore

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 1>or not want us anymore. And you know, but there's

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 1>this beautiful thing of just being, this equanimity that's what

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I've always experienced with him. It's like this equanimity between

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 1>us that I've never felt anywhere else, And it's natural.

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:35.400
<v Speaker 1>We just have a similar frequency that we vibrate on

0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:38.399
<v Speaker 1>and it just works. And I've been in situations where

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:42.840
<v Speaker 1>it's like, man, I kind of have to keep I

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:44.719
<v Speaker 1>can come out here with me, or I have to

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.320
<v Speaker 1>go you know, find that, but it's like we're not

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:50.360
<v Speaker 1>quite on the same level. And so that means something.

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, finding that frequency that vibrates with you is

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 1>a thing.

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I love that. I wrote a chapter of

0:41:56.600 --> 0:42:00.960
<v Speaker 2>my last book called your partner is your Guru, and

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 2>it's that I feel that way, like you know, and

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that the quality that required so much in

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 2>long term relationships as humility, and it's the hardest quality

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 2>to have with your partner often where we have our

0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 2>biggest egos and we say this is the person we

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 2>love the most, but they're the person we have the

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:23.920
<v Speaker 2>least humility with, Like if they don't like what we're wearing,

0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 2>or if they give us feedback or that it hurts

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 2>the most.

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Because so so so pure.

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, good point stops us sometimes from opening up,

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:39.759
<v Speaker 2>as you're talking about as you have been able to like.

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:42.560
<v Speaker 2>It stops you from sometimes learning from that person because

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 2>you think your ways the right way, or that what

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 2>you learned and what you inherited was the right way

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 2>to solve a problem, especially I'm imagining when you have kids.

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 1>That's first, because we do find ourselves in those circumstances

0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>where naturally something that he might feel is quite different

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 1>from what I might feel in regards to the kids.

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I think that anytime that's happened, I

0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:14.879
<v Speaker 1>can reflect that there surely has is a better way

0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:17.840
<v Speaker 1>of communicating what it is. And I find that that

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:21.239
<v Speaker 1>is the most powerful part. How do you choose to

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 1>communicate with the people that you love is really the

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:29.440
<v Speaker 1>key to kind of life, like literally that that energy

0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:31.839
<v Speaker 1>that you're giving and how you're choosing to communicate will

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 1>make the difference between you know, something where you both

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.520
<v Speaker 1>can evolve and both can say I get it, I

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 1>see what you mean, and you can see what I mean,

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:41.600
<v Speaker 1>and we can kind of find our way through it.

0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Or they argument, this is just a pain, and you

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:48.320
<v Speaker 1>got you know, you gotta do all that, which we

0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:51.879
<v Speaker 1>actually don't argue. We have a we don't we don't argue.

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Surely we get upset or we disagree, but there's not

0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 1>like a yelling and screaming and an arguing and a

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 1>k and a slamming and a throwing there's not that,

0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Like we respect each other too much for that. And

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate that that that's the energy because I

0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 1>do also appreciate that many people have to or choose

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:16.400
<v Speaker 1>to or find themselves in the place of experiencing that

0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:20.320
<v Speaker 1>type of you know, interaction, and man, I mean that

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 1>is just so stressful and hard all around. So I'm

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:27.520
<v Speaker 1>proud that we can like find that that place and

0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:29.560
<v Speaker 1>it is possible. Yeah, it is possible.

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, it sounds like you've both been quite intentional about

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 2>your relationship from your vows from the beginning of like

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:37.600
<v Speaker 2>what does this look like, right? And what are the

0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:41.399
<v Speaker 2>barriers around disagreements? Right, Like we're allowed to disagree. We're

0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:42.799
<v Speaker 2>allowed to and the same with me in my wife

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 2>we have a rule as well, like no yelling, no

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.839
<v Speaker 2>raising the voice, no obviously nothing physical, but like right,

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 2>there has to be a very clear way of solving this,

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and we're allowed to disagree. We're allowed to end on

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.759
<v Speaker 2>completely two different sides of a conversation. We don't have

0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 2>to end with perfect resolution. It may not be the way,

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 2>but we don't have to get there in a violent,

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:08.920
<v Speaker 2>aggressive or tension field way. Through our words or our actions,

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.440
<v Speaker 2>or our how loud we are, because that pushes the

0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.520
<v Speaker 2>person away so much. I've read this poem that was

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:20.160
<v Speaker 2>talking about when people argue, they have to shout and

0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:23.920
<v Speaker 2>scream because that's how distant their souls are. And so

0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 2>even though you're standing right in front of them, so

0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 2>far away from you that you have to shout in

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 2>order to communicate, but you don't realize that that just

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:36.720
<v Speaker 2>pushes them further away, and that actually if you whispered

0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 2>and you were quiet, and you would actually draw them closer. Bar. Yeah,

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:44.080
<v Speaker 2>and so it you know, I love that. I love

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 2>that metaphor, and I can't. I need to hear this

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 2>song that you've written about the hands.

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I find it. I'll find it, at least i'll send

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 1>it to you, but i'll find that. I really like

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:55.600
<v Speaker 1>it special. It's a special song. I wrote it when

0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I came back from Egypt, and so it was a

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:00.440
<v Speaker 1>while ago, but I took that a special ship to Egypt,

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 1>and I did a lot of songwriting right after that,

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:04.719
<v Speaker 1>and that was kind of one of them. And it

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 1>was actually in honor of my godmother, who did experience

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:12.560
<v Speaker 1>quite an abusive relationship. And so the line was the

0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 1>tightest grip is an open hand.

0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 2>I love that. That's beautiful. That's beautiful.

0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:25.800
<v Speaker 2>How do you decide that a song doesn't come out? Like?

0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:27.880
<v Speaker 2>How does? How does? Because how many songs does an

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 2>artists make? That? Never? So many like in your in

0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 2>your lifetime, like how many songs? Never would? Would someone have? Never?

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Three hundred?

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Wow? Yeah, So that's like twenty albums with.

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:42.759
<v Speaker 1>So many, so many that just you know, half done,

0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 1>or you know, didn't quite just come together or just

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't have that special thing enough to go to the

0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 1>next level, or time passes in your relationship to yourself

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.560
<v Speaker 1>is changing, so what you were, what you were expressing

0:46:57.640 --> 0:47:00.239
<v Speaker 1>at one point just doesn't represent where you are now.

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:03.120
<v Speaker 1>And so then that kind of has its own In fact,

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 1>one of my albums, Keys, has a song on it

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.800
<v Speaker 1>called is It Insane? And Keys came out in like

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:15.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, and is It Insane, which written in

0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 1>like two thousand. It's like it was, but it was

0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:23.440
<v Speaker 1>not ready until that moment and then it was ready.

0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:26.000
<v Speaker 1>So back to that whole thing where nothing's ever ready

0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 1>when you think it's time, yeah, and then finally you're like,

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:29.279
<v Speaker 1>oh it's time.

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:32.319
<v Speaker 2>I get it. Yeah, and times usually you're so. When

0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:33.800
<v Speaker 2>you said that earlier, I thought of it. I was like,

0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:37.279
<v Speaker 2>time is actually what puts anxiety onto everything. If we

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 2>say I have to have achieved this by this age,

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:44.439
<v Speaker 2>that's now the anxiety because if it took twenty three years,

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 2>it took twenty three years and you got there in

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 2>the end, right. But if you said this has to

0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:52.160
<v Speaker 2>be ready this year, that's what put anxiety on everything.

0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:54.320
<v Speaker 2>And I was thinking about that. You're so right that

0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:59.400
<v Speaker 2>when I make something not on the universe's time and

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 2>not on de fin timing, and it's on my timing.

0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:04.480
<v Speaker 1>That's when you're stressed.

0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm stressed about.

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Freaking out.

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And of course there are things you have to

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 2>like if you have contracts and commitments.

0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 1>And you have to get it in a time, yeah,

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:13.399
<v Speaker 1>you do your best.

0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But it's when we're asking or trying to manifest

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 2>things that we put time on. It changes what you

0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 2>were saying you love crystals earlier. I was wondering, what's

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:25.839
<v Speaker 2>your favorite crystal and where did you find it? How

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:27.880
<v Speaker 2>did you learn about them? I feel like you have

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.920
<v Speaker 2>such a deeply spiritual side. I don't want to hear

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:32.840
<v Speaker 2>about it, because I don't think we've dived into this before.

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.239
<v Speaker 1>I love that's a good one man. Okay, So where

0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 1>did my love for crystals come first? I think that

0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:45.160
<v Speaker 1>I learned that going to these crystal shops, there's something

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:50.520
<v Speaker 1>so beautiful about the process. And I remember doing a

0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:54.920
<v Speaker 1>beautiful book called The Artist's Way Julia Cameron. I believe

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:58.000
<v Speaker 1>her name is like tried and true book, like classic,

0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:00.920
<v Speaker 1>and one of the things that was beautiful about it

0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:04.160
<v Speaker 1>is she says, take yourself on an artist's date. So

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:06.000
<v Speaker 1>once a week you were meant to take yourself on

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:08.080
<v Speaker 1>an artist date, which meant you couldn't go with no

0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:10.400
<v Speaker 1>one except yourself, and you had to think of what

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:14.640
<v Speaker 1>would serve you on that date, which is quite hard

0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 1>for many of us, Like what will make me happy?

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Where would I like to go? In crystal shops? This

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:23.080
<v Speaker 1>is what I discovered was one of the things I

0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:25.800
<v Speaker 1>loved it. I loved the peace and the serenity. I

0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:29.000
<v Speaker 1>loved exploring every name. I found that if I went

0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:32.560
<v Speaker 1>to one, it would be exactly the one I needed.

0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:35.560
<v Speaker 1>I would just look at the way it looked and

0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I would pick it up. I'm like, that's what I

0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:40.759
<v Speaker 1>need right now. I need more courage, I need more,

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>I need more manifestation, I need more clarity. When I

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:46.560
<v Speaker 1>did take my trip to Egypt that we talked about,

0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I learned that the native it was native to where

0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:54.040
<v Speaker 1>we were was the Lupus lazui that blew powerful stone,

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:57.319
<v Speaker 1>and I just became fascinated with it. So the more

0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 1>that I discovered, the more that crystals became. I'm a

0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:03.239
<v Speaker 1>part of my life. Even in my son's pocket, I'll

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:06.160
<v Speaker 1>put a crystal. If he's feeling worried, or if he's

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:08.839
<v Speaker 1>feeling like or if he needs a little grounding, I'll

0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:10.719
<v Speaker 1>put a crystal in his pocket, or I'll tell him

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.440
<v Speaker 1>hold it, just because I do know. There is something

0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:16.000
<v Speaker 1>about the power of crystals, and that in fact is

0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:19.120
<v Speaker 1>one of the most kind of secret parts of Key's

0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:23.719
<v Speaker 1>soul care because the crystals are infused into the offerings,

0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 1>and we have these beautiful offerings called the Illuminating Serum,

0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:31.600
<v Speaker 1>which I just love because we need to illuminate as

0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 1>much as possible, and they are really based on these crystals.

0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:39.960
<v Speaker 1>So one's the moonstone aura, and that is so good manifestation.

0:50:40.160 --> 0:50:43.160
<v Speaker 1>One is the bronzeite aura, and that is all about courage,

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:48.759
<v Speaker 1>and one is the quartz, the golden quartz Aura's and

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:52.919
<v Speaker 1>that is so each one has these powers that even

0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.880
<v Speaker 1>you should put on your body in your universe. And

0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:58.759
<v Speaker 1>I just love that because there is such a there

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.160
<v Speaker 1>is a strength, there is a power, there is a mysticism,

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:03.920
<v Speaker 1>there is a there are these ancient rituals, like our

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:08.600
<v Speaker 1>ancestors did these things hundreds and hundreds of years ago,

0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:13.400
<v Speaker 1>and we've somehow sometimes lost touch with those rituals in

0:51:13.480 --> 0:51:16.759
<v Speaker 1>those ancient ways, and so I love discovering them and

0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:21.560
<v Speaker 1>they really give me a sense of like I feel

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.480
<v Speaker 1>like I have something in my pocket that's like it's

0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:26.680
<v Speaker 1>going to help me and I really really love it.

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Or on my body. Yeah, now you can put it

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:29.640
<v Speaker 2>on your money.

0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:33.640
<v Speaker 1>It feels like and it illuminates you. So it also

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 1>gives you that glow that's just really already even within you.

0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's the point.

0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:40.680
<v Speaker 2>No, I love that you've infused it in the offerings

0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:44.160
<v Speaker 2>because I feel like I too love that. Like I

0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:46.560
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you see a crystal and you're just drawn to it,

0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 2>where you see a gem and you're just drawn to

0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:51.000
<v Speaker 2>it and you can't explain it because it's not like

0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:53.960
<v Speaker 2>you were into that color or you're into that shape,

0:51:54.239 --> 0:51:56.080
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, you're just like, why am

0:51:56.160 --> 0:51:58.239
<v Speaker 2>I attracted to this thing?

0:51:58.760 --> 0:51:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Because you need it?

0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Because it exactly And I think we've lost the ability

0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:07.960
<v Speaker 2>to trust ourselves on what we need because everything's become

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:13.120
<v Speaker 2>didactic and tactical and kind of too formulated.

0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm very moved by this because as we were just

0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:22.960
<v Speaker 1>talking about kids, and you know, as a parent, you

0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:28.600
<v Speaker 1>think about we do take we can We have the

0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:37.440
<v Speaker 1>power to take the trust from people when they feel

0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:41.440
<v Speaker 1>like they can't trust themselves because we judge them on

0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:45.239
<v Speaker 1>something that they've decided. And we do this as adults

0:52:45.320 --> 0:52:47.359
<v Speaker 1>to each other. We do this as parents to kids.

0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:50.759
<v Speaker 1>We do this as friends, you know, And we do

0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:53.799
<v Speaker 1>this thing where we judge a person, and now we've

0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:57.280
<v Speaker 1>taken away a bit of their trust in themselves because

0:52:57.320 --> 0:53:00.600
<v Speaker 1>they feel like this person may fun of me when

0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I did this.

0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I won't do that.

0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:05.960
<v Speaker 1>But your instinct was to do this, and you loved it.

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:07.920
<v Speaker 1>When you did it, you were happy, you were excited,

0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:13.200
<v Speaker 1>you were giddy. And perhaps we allow people to steal

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:15.040
<v Speaker 1>that from us. But many times we're not in a

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:18.359
<v Speaker 1>position of awareness, so we just find that we then

0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 1>distrust ourselves. And I think that's a big one, because

0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:25.000
<v Speaker 1>how can we start to trust ourselves again. How can

0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:28.600
<v Speaker 1>we practice like, no, no, this is good for me.

0:53:28.840 --> 0:53:30.640
<v Speaker 1>You might not like it. It's cool. You don't have

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:32.759
<v Speaker 1>to do it. I'm not telling you to do it.

0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:35.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you I'm doing it. And I think that's

0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:39.320
<v Speaker 1>really important. And I hope that we can first be

0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:43.160
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more conscious of always injecting our opinion

0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:48.279
<v Speaker 1>on everybody, as parents, as friends, as you know, elders,

0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:53.040
<v Speaker 1>and secondly to as the people who have to navigate

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:56.480
<v Speaker 1>our way through that, remembering that if that was our

0:53:56.520 --> 0:54:00.440
<v Speaker 1>first instinct and we felt joy with it, know, then

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:03.120
<v Speaker 1>there's something in there to learn or explore or find

0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:06.680
<v Speaker 1>the color and or curiosity and and and I want

0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:08.759
<v Speaker 1>us to do I want us and not forget that. Yeah,

0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:10.439
<v Speaker 1>that's a big one. You just said.

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:13.399
<v Speaker 2>No, you so well said. I couldn't agree with you more.

0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:16.080
<v Speaker 2>And I remember when I first trained to be a coach,

0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:20.399
<v Speaker 2>the number one training was how you don't project your

0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:24.720
<v Speaker 2>life and your limits onto anyone, Like that's the core skill,

0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:27.919
<v Speaker 2>because that's all we do all day. Like someone says

0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:30.759
<v Speaker 2>their idea and we project our view to it, right,

0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Like someone's like, hey, I want to be a singer

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:37.040
<v Speaker 2>like Alicia Keys, and you're like, yeah, you might as well. Yeah,

0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:39.200
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, but you have no idea what they're saying.

0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:41.399
<v Speaker 2>You don't. You're not listening to them, there's no there's

0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:43.440
<v Speaker 2>no learning, and you're just projecting what you feel. Or

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:46.240
<v Speaker 2>someone says I think I'm quitting my job and pursuing

0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:47.800
<v Speaker 2>my passion on this thing, and you're like, no, no, no,

0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:50.400
<v Speaker 2>don't do that, Like that's risky, and it's like, well,

0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:52.919
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's maybe they need it. Yeah, maybe it's needed.

0:54:53.000 --> 0:54:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe risk is okay for them. And but we're so

0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:57.720
<v Speaker 2>quick and you're so right that our friends are family

0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:00.759
<v Speaker 2>and we we do that to others and we do

0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:03.600
<v Speaker 2>to our partners as well, Like when they're just saying, hey,

0:55:03.640 --> 0:55:05.200
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I think I need a weekend off

0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:07.640
<v Speaker 2>this weekend and you're like, no, maybe there's a few

0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:10.040
<v Speaker 2>things you need to get done, and they're actually yeah,

0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:12.759
<v Speaker 2>and you're so what you said so beautifully is we

0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:16.680
<v Speaker 2>stop people from trusting themselves. Like I think that really

0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:21.160
<v Speaker 2>resonated with me, and I think that's why I feel

0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:25.759
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you've infused all these crystals into your offerings.

0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:28.840
<v Speaker 2>I love that because it's it's a daily reminder of

0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:32.959
<v Speaker 2>trusting that when you I always say this to people,

0:55:33.000 --> 0:55:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, we don't use our senses enough. Like the

0:55:38.680 --> 0:55:43.640
<v Speaker 2>scent is so powerful, right, your products smell amazing and

0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:46.680
<v Speaker 2>the sense amazing, and it's like we underestimate how much

0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:48.680
<v Speaker 2>we know what we need by scent. Like I love it.

0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:51.120
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I first got a massage and they

0:55:51.320 --> 0:55:54.359
<v Speaker 2>brought out all the different oils. They said which one

0:55:55.160 --> 0:55:57.120
<v Speaker 2>and they were like, you know by smelling, and I

0:55:57.280 --> 0:55:58.800
<v Speaker 2>was like, what does that mean? And then you do

0:55:58.880 --> 0:56:00.480
<v Speaker 2>it and you're like, oh, wait a minute, I do know.

0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:04.160
<v Speaker 2>I do know that I need number three, which has

0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:06.600
<v Speaker 2>lavender and you ca liptus or whatever it is, because

0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:10.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm seeking rest and relaxation, or I do need citrus

0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:14.440
<v Speaker 2>because I'm seeking energy, and you know right, but we

0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:17.480
<v Speaker 2>don't use that set. We don't use our power of scent,

0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:20.879
<v Speaker 2>of sight, of sound to know what we need.

0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:24.279
<v Speaker 1>And the part that I love about what you said

0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:28.680
<v Speaker 1>and the knowing the affirmation on the illuminating serum is

0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:34.160
<v Speaker 1>I give myself permission to glow because I just so

0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:36.840
<v Speaker 1>many times we just or we stunt the growth, or

0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:40.120
<v Speaker 1>we stunt the glow, or we feel embarrassed by the

0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:44.239
<v Speaker 1>fact that we are, you know, bright, and or we

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:48.080
<v Speaker 1>to your point about the addiction to the negative, like

0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:49.920
<v Speaker 1>if we are feeling good, how many times have you

0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:52.719
<v Speaker 1>felt good but your friend wasn't feeling so good? So

0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:54.680
<v Speaker 1>you kind of they might say, well, how are you feeling?

0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm all right, but you're really actually great

0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:02.279
<v Speaker 1>and you're actually glowing. And I think sometimes we dim

0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, I know, we dim our light, which is

0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:09.560
<v Speaker 1>another affirmation on the on the candle, is you know

0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:15.200
<v Speaker 1>this idea of not dimming your light, like don't dial

0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:19.320
<v Speaker 1>it back, you know, because we do it, and it's

0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:22.040
<v Speaker 1>only because we don't we want to be kind to

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the people that were around. But I think there's an

0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:28.280
<v Speaker 1>inspiration that comes from giving yourself permission to glow. There's

0:57:28.320 --> 0:57:31.520
<v Speaker 1>the empowerment that a person looks at you and says,

0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:35.040
<v Speaker 1>they don't they look like and I want to feel

0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:38.000
<v Speaker 1>like that, Like I'm going to do more of that,

0:57:38.360 --> 0:57:41.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, giving yourself that permission. I love that. I

0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:43.240
<v Speaker 1>really it's a really special reminder.

0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:45.880
<v Speaker 2>What are your go to rituals when you are having

0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:51.200
<v Speaker 2>a day that it's just hard, stressful, tough, demanding. What's

0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:54.760
<v Speaker 2>your go to, non negotiable set of rituals that at

0:57:54.840 --> 0:57:57.960
<v Speaker 2>least you keys turns to when when it's really it's

0:57:58.120 --> 0:57:58.919
<v Speaker 2>really tough.

0:57:59.160 --> 0:58:03.480
<v Speaker 1>I definitely find that one of my go tos is

0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:07.080
<v Speaker 1>for sure a meditation. Just find that I try my

0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:09.960
<v Speaker 1>best to meditate frequently so that I do find that

0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that balances you. You don't have to kind of fix

0:58:13.640 --> 0:58:17.840
<v Speaker 1>what's happening. You find the continuity with the balance. But

0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I do find that when I need it, I really

0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I really relate to a meditation. It kind of just

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:28.600
<v Speaker 1>brings me back to the center. It brings me back

0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:30.920
<v Speaker 1>to again that quietness. I get a second of quiet,

0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:33.040
<v Speaker 1>even if I have to wake up before the kids.

0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna wake up at five thirty, so I can

0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:38.160
<v Speaker 1>have twenty minutes of just like or I'm gonna make

0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:41.640
<v Speaker 1>up at five forty five, whatever it is. And I

0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:45.480
<v Speaker 1>really find that settles my spirit because usually if I'm

0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:48.560
<v Speaker 1>having a tough one, I'm not sleeping well either, because

0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:51.040
<v Speaker 1>it's just like the internal noise and all those things.

0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:53.760
<v Speaker 1>So I really I really love the ground there. I

0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 1>will journal. I find that the journaling is also really again,

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:04.560
<v Speaker 1>I've always had to just kind of release things more

0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:07.200
<v Speaker 1>freely than I find I can do it other people.

0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:12.640
<v Speaker 1>So that really helps A really good workout. Key keep

0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:15.440
<v Speaker 1>get me sweating, get me kind of like, you know,

0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:18.560
<v Speaker 1>just like feel your power of your body. That helps

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:21.960
<v Speaker 1>me a lot. Then of course I'm going to wash

0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:24.240
<v Speaker 1>my face. I'm gonna release. As we talked about, the

0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Golden cleanser is gonna let me, like let it go.

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:30.240
<v Speaker 1>I have this beautiful, rich transformation cream and on it

0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:35.440
<v Speaker 1>it says I welcome all circumstances as a catalyst for change.

0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Wow. And so I can.

0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Probably reflect on the fact that this isn't bad or good,

0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:46.240
<v Speaker 1>this is just a catalyst to change something. And then

0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I get my illuminating seramony because I'm going to be

0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:52.600
<v Speaker 1>glowing and I'm giving myself the permission. And I do

0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:55.160
<v Speaker 1>love a bath. I do love a bath. I do

0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:57.520
<v Speaker 1>love you know. Back to the oils or the herbs,

0:59:58.080 --> 1:00:01.439
<v Speaker 1>I find that even the crystal can come into play

1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:04.760
<v Speaker 1>if I need to just kind of like release something.

1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:08.080
<v Speaker 1>And definitely the intentions and the affirmations come into play,

1:00:08.080 --> 1:00:10.400
<v Speaker 1>because I find that whatever's bothering me, I'll kind of

1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:12.960
<v Speaker 1>it's something that's challenging me. Maybe I don't want to

1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:15.120
<v Speaker 1>fail at something, or I don't want to I don't

1:00:15.120 --> 1:00:17.800
<v Speaker 1>want something to go wrong, or and I kind of

1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:21.440
<v Speaker 1>use that to say whatever it is that I might need,

1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:25.880
<v Speaker 1>and you know, hey, sometimes it's just gonna be a

1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:28.600
<v Speaker 1>hard day, maybe be a hard week, maybe be a

1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:33.120
<v Speaker 1>hard month. But doing that consistently, I know I'm fueling

1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:36.720
<v Speaker 1>myself and I'm pouring in there, and I feel better.

1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:40.600
<v Speaker 2>What works for kids, Like what rituals do you feel

1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:43.040
<v Speaker 2>you've actually been able to pass on because they're young,

1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:45.240
<v Speaker 2>And I always feel like a lot of parents want

1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:47.280
<v Speaker 2>their kids to do things, but I feel like you

1:00:47.400 --> 1:00:50.720
<v Speaker 2>may be mindful in knowing what works and what doesn't

1:00:50.760 --> 1:00:54.240
<v Speaker 2>and what do they like and what are they not Like.

1:00:54.400 --> 1:00:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, I used to force Egypt to meditate. I was like,

1:00:57.560 --> 1:01:01.520
<v Speaker 1>you want whatever you want, come men. That worked for

1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:04.560
<v Speaker 1>a while. He's really big now and he's thirteen, so

1:01:04.920 --> 1:01:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I could still kind of push him

1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:09.520
<v Speaker 1>into it. But it was cool because he I think

1:01:10.520 --> 1:01:12.600
<v Speaker 1>when I do my meditation, he can say every words

1:01:12.640 --> 1:01:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Okan Genesis. And even though they don't necessarily do it

1:01:16.960 --> 1:01:18.720
<v Speaker 1>with me all the time, they know it and they

1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:20.800
<v Speaker 1>feel it and they hear it, and so I do

1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:23.800
<v Speaker 1>think that idea of kind of like just sitting with

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<v Speaker 1>yourself again is a great practice for kids because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it just has to be long, five minutes, cool, really quick.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the times, I'm also I'm also talking

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<v Speaker 1>to my kids a lot about gratitude. I think gratitude

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<v Speaker 1>is the key key. It's the most simple but potent

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<v Speaker 1>key to changing the energy. I know I felt times

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<v Speaker 1>before a while I'm like, I'm just pissed off because

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<v Speaker 1>someone did something, and I'm like and I'm sicking, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do it and i am steaming, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just like start to list what I'm grateful for. It

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<v Speaker 1>changes everything everything. And I try to also share with

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<v Speaker 1>my kids that you know, give thanks, give thanks, and

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<v Speaker 1>also pray, make a prayer for what it is you're

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<v Speaker 1>thankful for and what it is you're looking for. And

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<v Speaker 1>I promise you you will open every door for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>I promise every time I leave the room. I older ones,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes I'll pray with them. Sometimes I let them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>be in his own zone and I say, don't forget

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<v Speaker 1>to pray, like, don't forget, just be grateful and pray

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<v Speaker 1>because the gratitude is like, it's key. I really do

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<v Speaker 1>feel that it's a key ingredient to settling. And definitely

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<v Speaker 1>it's a joy, which I think is what we're all

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<v Speaker 1>looking for, absolutely right and joy.

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<v Speaker 2>I love hearing what you're passing on to the kids,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think so much of it is them watching

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<v Speaker 2>you do it or them doing it with you. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're saying a good example and that makes

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<v Speaker 2>it easier because there's only so much you can tell

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<v Speaker 2>a kid to do something. But if you're there doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>showing up, turning up, enjoyed you.

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<v Speaker 1>They get used to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they get used to it and they see that

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<v Speaker 2>at least Mom values it. And you know, even their names,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like Egypt and Genesis, Like I feel like those

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<v Speaker 2>names are so powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I love those names.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're really powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>Foo. I mean yeah, Egypt. It's been so cool because

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<v Speaker 1>like even just as watching him grow and he's always

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<v Speaker 1>been super into architecture and math, and I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that I feel like the name connection really brought

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<v Speaker 1>that to him in so many ways, and and Genesis

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<v Speaker 1>is like WHOA. I'm like, we might have needed to

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<v Speaker 1>rethink name of that. But it's so good. He's so

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of strong and clear, and you know, he's he's, he's,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he doesn't you know, he doesn't bend. And I

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<v Speaker 1>really appreciate that for him because I spent so much

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<v Speaker 1>of my life bending and contorting and shifting and changing

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to please that I love. And he's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>and he won't. That's it. I'm like, Okay, I'm go.

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<v Speaker 1>I need you to try to be a little bit fluid,

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<v Speaker 1>like a little fluid on occasion, not every time, just

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<v Speaker 1>once in a while. But I love that for him.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that he's clear. He's clear. And that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>What's something you've been trying to learn recently or work

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<v Speaker 2>on recently internally for yourself? The kids are work.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've just been working on just listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we all have such big personalities. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I feel for the kids sometimes like the dad

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<v Speaker 1>has this huge personality, and we have this big personality,

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<v Speaker 1>and I answer every question and I react to everything

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm always saying yeah, oh yeah, And sometimes I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I can just be more siglent, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think I can just actually let me allow them the

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<v Speaker 1>space to and everybody the space to just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>feel share, say what they're saying without neither encouragement nor discouragement,

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<v Speaker 1>just like see what they're sharing or saying and let

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<v Speaker 1>them just speak. So I think the listening is really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Not always reacting, not always sharing, not always saying something,

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<v Speaker 1>just like being more more, more silent, more taking the space.

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<v Speaker 1>Just Yeah, that's what I'm working on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that I can agree with you more.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like it's such a rare thing actually

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<v Speaker 2>for someone to actually just listen and not have a reaction, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and for them to know that they can keep I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like when you listen that way, people feel like

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<v Speaker 2>they can actually speak from a deeper place. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>just thinking and speaking, they're feeling and speaking because you're

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<v Speaker 2>listening from a from a feeling space as well. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wonder how do how do you explain fame

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<v Speaker 2>to them or explain or do they how do they

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<v Speaker 2>how do they interact with you? Said your big personalities

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<v Speaker 2>but both of you have big lives, Like how did

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<v Speaker 2>they make sense to me? Or are they still too young?

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<v Speaker 2>And they don't?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they're pretty present you know, they're pretty present.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about that often. I mean, I'm very much

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<v Speaker 1>about I want us all in spaces that feel very

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<v Speaker 1>very normal, Like I am very very like about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I love to take them to their classes, and I

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<v Speaker 1>love to drop my off at school, and I love

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<v Speaker 1>to like we go and we go to the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we go hang out at the park, or we go somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>We do what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>And I really love that ease. So I really want

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<v Speaker 1>to put them in environments that feel like that. So

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<v Speaker 1>of course, you know, at the other side, they're on

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<v Speaker 1>the tour bus for three months and that's also different,

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<v Speaker 1>so they I think, but I do think they have

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good balance about it all. And they're pretty

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<v Speaker 1>like everyday kids, you know, And I love that about

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<v Speaker 1>them too. I wonder how it feels or how they

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<v Speaker 1>affect them. They're both very very empathetic. Like I know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes if we're out and someone, you know, they might

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<v Speaker 1>have caught someone and wants to take a.

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<v Speaker 2>Picture with ma.

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<v Speaker 1>Just take a picture of mom, you know, when it's

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<v Speaker 1>the right time, I'm like, okay, cool. But if it's

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong time then it's also But I'll go say hello,

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<v Speaker 1>so happy to see you. Hope you're great. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>saying hi. And it just might not be the right time.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's okay too, So just showing them the boundaries too.

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<v Speaker 1>And and but I think that, you know, sometimes sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say, Genesis would be like, ma, you know in school,

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, that's Alicia Keys. It's like so annoying. Mom,

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<v Speaker 1>it is annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel you, that's annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>But you could just tell him that's your mom. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you could just tell him, I know that's I see

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<v Speaker 1>what you mean, but that's actually just my mom. So

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell him that. And then and then each

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<v Speaker 1>of them. You know, he's getting big and really strong

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<v Speaker 1>in basketball, and he's like doing so many amazing things.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a great instinct. And you know, really we'll

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<v Speaker 1>walk into a room, will be me and Swiss, and

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<v Speaker 1>if it's in the basketball universe, they'll be like, there's Egypt,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they actually are starting to know Egypt's talent. And

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<v Speaker 1>so it's really good and it's wonderful that he has

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<v Speaker 1>all of his own space. And I think sometimes he

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<v Speaker 1>might feel like that's.

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<v Speaker 2>What I want.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure that it's not because of

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<v Speaker 1>whatever else, you know, and so I feel for them,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that they're pretty cool about everything. They

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<v Speaker 1>have a good head on their shoulders. You know, they're kind,

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<v Speaker 1>they're loving, they're thoughtful.

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<v Speaker 2>That's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really proud of them, for all of them. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a beautiful, big, blended family, and I'm proud

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<v Speaker 1>of all of them because it's like each has such

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<v Speaker 1>a special, unique, cool personality and I'm just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I feel like you've been able to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you've been in the music industry for so long.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I want to know how Hell's Kitchen felt

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<v Speaker 2>like to be able to take parts of your story inspire,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to see your music on Broadway. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that feels like it was it a different challenge, Like

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<v Speaker 2>what was what was the What was that like for

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<v Speaker 2>you to have to go from recording in studios, making music,

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<v Speaker 2>traveling to then doing Broadway? Like what did that look

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<v Speaker 2>like for you? How were you creatively involved?

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<v Speaker 1>It was definitely as you said, it's been a thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>year process, and I think that's made it very cool,

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<v Speaker 1>like really almost enjoyable, because whereas maybe sometimes with because

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<v Speaker 1>it was such a passion project, I knew it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>all going to happen quickly or at once, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I would be able to kind of take myself out

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<v Speaker 1>of my quote unquote normal life and go into this

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<v Speaker 1>workshop phase with Hell's kitchen, and I'd be able to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out, like what, you know, what's the storylines? Me

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<v Speaker 1>and the writer, the book writer would get to it

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<v Speaker 1>and we'd say, here's the themes, and here's the characters,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's the stories, and let's are to build this universe.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when the director came in, Michael Grife, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was really instrumental. He's kind of like that me

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<v Speaker 1>and Chris Diaz, who's the book writer, are a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more than newbies. And then Michael Grive is like

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<v Speaker 1>the like the parental figure. He's like, this is what

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<v Speaker 1>we do. We do this, we do this, we do this,

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<v Speaker 1>We're good. And sure enough we'd be like, wow, we

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<v Speaker 1>needed that. We didn't really know where we were going.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was like a beautiful guide in light. And

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<v Speaker 1>then as time passed, you know, being able to connect

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<v Speaker 1>with the public, theater, who who's the theater? Who did

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<v Speaker 1>you know Hamilton and chorus Line and all of these

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<v Speaker 1>incredible credible shows, even the softs they did, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many beautiful things that they that created another

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<v Speaker 1>level of like clarity and just like refinement and really

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<v Speaker 1>being able to bring it to life. So all these

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<v Speaker 1>things kind of happen in pockets, like you know, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a three week process and then we'll hold tight

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<v Speaker 1>for It'll be a two month process, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>hold tightenment, and then it'll be six months of just

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<v Speaker 1>heavy and there will a whole tight a minute. And

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<v Speaker 1>so it really gave me the capacity to hold the

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<v Speaker 1>container for the story and for the meaning, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would always be able to come back to it and say,

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<v Speaker 1>this feels right or something's wrong about that. We have

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<v Speaker 1>to figure that out. And then when we brought in

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<v Speaker 1>the choreographer, she became another part of this beautiful tapestry

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<v Speaker 1>you and she was creating movement around the songs in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that I just never heard it before. And

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<v Speaker 1>the orchestrator who's also been a partner to me in

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<v Speaker 1>many ways musically, Adam Blackstone. You know, we would create

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<v Speaker 1>different versions and instrumentals, and I wrote new songs, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it was all these pieces and parts and you

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<v Speaker 1>could start to feel little by little how it was

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<v Speaker 1>all the right timing. But I feel like the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>I want to call it a challenge. I'm looking for

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<v Speaker 1>the right word. The biggest growth. Yeah, maybe the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>The biggest growth or the biggest awake that I had

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<v Speaker 1>with it was realizing that I could take this moment

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<v Speaker 1>and I could almost take everything that I ever didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do right and I could fix it. I could learn

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<v Speaker 1>from it. I could take it the knowledge and I

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<v Speaker 1>could put it into this process and I can fix it.

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<v Speaker 1>I could do it right because I actually had the experience,

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<v Speaker 1>and so my intellectual experience that I had gave me

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to really look at it in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that I had truly never had before. And then, because

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<v Speaker 1>of that knowledge, really cultivating the strongest team of really

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<v Speaker 1>awesome people in this particular universe to assist me as

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<v Speaker 1>a newbie, you know, as a person who hadn't quite

1:12:55.640 --> 1:13:00.960
<v Speaker 1>traversed this path yet was so inspiring and enlightening and

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<v Speaker 1>empowering to really see that when everybody is the best

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<v Speaker 1>at their field, you really can create something that truly

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<v Speaker 1>is magical. And so I learned so much from it,

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously that's been years and years and years and

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<v Speaker 1>years and years, and even just seeing it off Broadway

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<v Speaker 1>and having to navigate our way through how can we

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<v Speaker 1>perfect the story? And there's still more to perfect, there's

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<v Speaker 1>still more to craft. And doing that and being open

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<v Speaker 1>and listening and really just being open too was tremendously rewarding.

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<v Speaker 1>So that day when we got that announcement that we

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<v Speaker 1>had been nominated for thirteen Tonies, it was freaky. The thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>the thirteen, it was just all like, something's really divine

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<v Speaker 1>here and it was unbelievable. So it's been such a

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<v Speaker 1>hands on I mean, I am notoriously anal but in

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<v Speaker 1>the best most loving way, because I just I know

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<v Speaker 1>what it's supposed to be and I'm not going to

1:14:07.000 --> 1:14:09.040
<v Speaker 1>let it go until it's right what it's meant to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you always been like that with all your music

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<v Speaker 2>since day one and everything? Yeah? Yeah, it takes that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've also learned how to like back off to like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, let it let it flow, let it vibe.

1:14:20.160 --> 1:14:22.240
<v Speaker 1>It's okay, you got to back off of it sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>But I am definitely smedge of a control freak.

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<v Speaker 2>How have you walked me through how you've refined that perfectionism,

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<v Speaker 2>because in one sense, the reason why you have sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>Grammys and you know all the rest of it is

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<v Speaker 2>because all the successes come from that level of work

1:14:41.840 --> 1:14:45.080
<v Speaker 2>and ethic and effort and perfection and you know all

1:14:45.160 --> 1:14:48.320
<v Speaker 2>of that like tinkering and iterations and and everything. And

1:14:48.439 --> 1:14:52.040
<v Speaker 2>then where have you learned to let go or what

1:14:52.240 --> 1:14:55.679
<v Speaker 2>is it that you've done to flow? At what point

1:14:55.720 --> 1:14:57.519
<v Speaker 2>do you allow it to flow? If someone's listening, they're

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<v Speaker 2>like a Leisha, I'm a perfectionist too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that you know, definitely, having the vision

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<v Speaker 1>for what you want to create is wonderful and you

1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:12.080
<v Speaker 1>likely are the only person that has that vision. If you,

1:15:13.000 --> 1:15:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, pass that off to somebody, the vision will

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<v Speaker 1>shift right, so which might be needed at a certain point.

1:15:19.720 --> 1:15:23.479
<v Speaker 1>But I think being comfortable saying I really have this vision,

1:15:23.520 --> 1:15:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm very clear about it, and following that is wonderful.

1:15:29.840 --> 1:15:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Then I think starting to let other special not just anybody,

1:15:35.800 --> 1:15:40.760
<v Speaker 1>but special folks who you realize they they're additive. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that what you create together or what they bring

1:15:44.240 --> 1:15:48.759
<v Speaker 1>to the table can enhance the vision. It is important

1:15:48.760 --> 1:15:50.519
<v Speaker 1>to let that in because if you don't let it in,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to actually steal from the vision ultimately. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that has been a beautiful process when when

1:15:59.680 --> 1:16:02.160
<v Speaker 1>you and when you know that feels right, you know

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<v Speaker 1>when it doesn't feel right and it's super hard and

1:16:04.680 --> 1:16:07.519
<v Speaker 1>it's like a struggle and you argue and everything. Okay,

1:16:07.560 --> 1:16:09.800
<v Speaker 1>it's not the right person. You can let that go.

1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:13.680
<v Speaker 1>But when you do see that things or people are

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<v Speaker 1>becoming additive, it's really good to allow that in, allow

1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that to come in, and then you get inspired more

1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh, I didn't know that we could

1:16:23.880 --> 1:16:26.840
<v Speaker 1>do that. Now I could take that and make it

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<v Speaker 1>even better because we've brought that part into it. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a really special part of the creative processes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have learned that with even songwriting, like so

1:16:37.840 --> 1:16:42.000
<v Speaker 1>fun when you start to bring additional energies into the space,

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<v Speaker 1>not all the time, so you lose sight of your

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<v Speaker 1>vision or of your center. So that's happened to me too.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wait, let me go back to the simplest

1:16:50.080 --> 1:16:53.840
<v Speaker 1>because I've made this a bit complicated or you know,

1:16:54.080 --> 1:16:58.200
<v Speaker 1>overly done. But I think there's something really great about that.

1:16:58.280 --> 1:17:00.400
<v Speaker 1>And then you keep seeing that it's growing and it's

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<v Speaker 1>adding and then you can still hold space for division,

1:17:04.240 --> 1:17:09.280
<v Speaker 1>but allow what helps it in and what makes it

1:17:09.439 --> 1:17:12.160
<v Speaker 1>grow in and what makes it better in. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you have to be worried about that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've definitely developed so much more respect and appreciation,

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<v Speaker 2>even more than I already had for artists. The closer

1:17:22.479 --> 1:17:26.240
<v Speaker 2>I've got to the industry just from watching, because you

1:17:26.439 --> 1:17:31.880
<v Speaker 2>forget that so many projects are truly pure passion and

1:17:32.040 --> 1:17:35.360
<v Speaker 2>that they took ten, fifteen, twenty years. And when you

1:17:35.479 --> 1:17:38.080
<v Speaker 2>hear about something like that, that you're saying for someone

1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:42.480
<v Speaker 2>like yourself who's already successful, already has tons of accolades

1:17:43.040 --> 1:17:46.000
<v Speaker 2>in an area that's directly related. But then to think

1:17:46.120 --> 1:17:49.280
<v Speaker 2>you had to wait thirteen years and work for thirteen

1:17:49.360 --> 1:17:53.760
<v Speaker 2>years to pull that off. You start recognizing that it

1:17:53.920 --> 1:17:57.240
<v Speaker 2>takes so much patience and love, even when you have

1:17:57.400 --> 1:18:01.280
<v Speaker 2>already proved yourself. Because I think, is this feeling that

1:18:02.680 --> 1:18:05.360
<v Speaker 2>people can get tired of proving themselves or having to

1:18:05.479 --> 1:18:08.360
<v Speaker 2>prove themselves. That's right, and it can feel exhausting sometimes,

1:18:09.040 --> 1:18:11.799
<v Speaker 2>But the truth is that if you're growing and you're building,

1:18:11.840 --> 1:18:14.400
<v Speaker 2>and you have something you care about, right, you're constantly

1:18:14.520 --> 1:18:17.360
<v Speaker 2>having to prove yourself in a new space.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And I think there's there's something really exciting about

1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:27.840
<v Speaker 1>that too, because I think if you could open every door,

1:18:29.280 --> 1:18:31.720
<v Speaker 1>you would take it for granted. You know you I

1:18:31.800 --> 1:18:33.360
<v Speaker 1>could open that door too, and I over that door,

1:18:33.360 --> 1:18:35.880
<v Speaker 1>and yes, can we open every door? Yes, we actually

1:18:36.000 --> 1:18:40.120
<v Speaker 1>can open every door. But is it always going to

1:18:40.160 --> 1:18:43.200
<v Speaker 1>be easy or the simplest. No, it's going to take

1:18:43.360 --> 1:18:45.240
<v Speaker 1>time and you're going to have to figure it out

1:18:45.320 --> 1:18:47.560
<v Speaker 1>and work your way through it and come back to

1:18:47.640 --> 1:18:50.720
<v Speaker 1>those places that you're like, oh, I gotta dredge up

1:18:50.760 --> 1:18:53.000
<v Speaker 1>this confidence again, Like I thought I was good in

1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:55.240
<v Speaker 1>this department and here it goes again. And all those

1:18:55.400 --> 1:18:58.479
<v Speaker 1>learnings and challenges that kind of takes you through just

1:18:58.560 --> 1:19:02.920
<v Speaker 1>being a human being is I think the beautiful part

1:19:03.160 --> 1:19:06.120
<v Speaker 1>and the excitement and the thrill and the stimulus, and

1:19:06.800 --> 1:19:09.560
<v Speaker 1>and then you're like, I am willing to work for this,

1:19:09.720 --> 1:19:12.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm willing to put in the time for this. I'm

1:19:12.240 --> 1:19:17.600
<v Speaker 1>willing to even fail. And what does that mean? What

1:19:17.680 --> 1:19:21.639
<v Speaker 1>does it even mean? Actually, I don't know what that means.

1:19:22.200 --> 1:19:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I am willing to work and to try, and whatever

1:19:24.520 --> 1:19:27.320
<v Speaker 1>comes from it is going to be what I need.

1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:31.720
<v Speaker 1>It's going to be exactly what's needed. So it's it's

1:19:31.880 --> 1:19:34.280
<v Speaker 1>it's beautiful. I really I really enjoy it, and I

1:19:34.360 --> 1:19:37.760
<v Speaker 1>really find that I'm more grateful than ever, for sure,

1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:42.400
<v Speaker 1>for being able to spread my wings and be ceilingless

1:19:42.600 --> 1:19:46.240
<v Speaker 1>or be edgeless, because I really want to be able

1:19:46.320 --> 1:19:50.400
<v Speaker 1>to explore as much as I can, and it feels

1:19:50.479 --> 1:19:53.960
<v Speaker 1>really good to keep trying. And and but most important,

1:19:54.040 --> 1:19:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I think the seed of what you said is the love.

1:19:57.680 --> 1:20:00.280
<v Speaker 1>It's what do I matter? If there's some that you love,

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<v Speaker 1>go after it because it's meant for you and might

1:20:06.200 --> 1:20:07.960
<v Speaker 1>not be the way that you thought it was going

1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:09.680
<v Speaker 1>to be, or the length of time you thought it

1:20:09.760 --> 1:20:12.240
<v Speaker 1>was going to take, or whatever all the other things are.

1:20:12.840 --> 1:20:14.720
<v Speaker 1>For man, is I know it's meant for you if

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<v Speaker 1>you love it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, You'll get to where you want in life,

1:20:18.000 --> 1:20:20.519
<v Speaker 2>just not in the way you imagined it. The timeline

1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:22.880
<v Speaker 2>will be different, the way it looks will be different,

1:20:22.920 --> 1:20:25.560
<v Speaker 2>the way it feels might be different. Even how you

1:20:25.680 --> 1:20:28.000
<v Speaker 2>visioned it may be completely different. But you get there

1:20:28.200 --> 1:20:32.200
<v Speaker 2>right and the journey will probably be better and a

1:20:32.280 --> 1:20:36.040
<v Speaker 2>better story than you imagined it to be. Ever, and

1:20:36.640 --> 1:20:39.240
<v Speaker 2>hearing you said that is so so fulfilling. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you one more question before we end with

1:20:42.280 --> 1:20:45.200
<v Speaker 2>a final five, and this question is more just the

1:20:45.240 --> 1:20:48.000
<v Speaker 2>way I've experienced you even today. I'm like, you've been

1:20:48.040 --> 1:20:49.799
<v Speaker 2>in the industry for so long, since you were eighteen.

1:20:49.880 --> 1:20:52.840
<v Speaker 2>You said you know so much success, moved around, done

1:20:52.880 --> 1:20:55.639
<v Speaker 2>so many different things, and I feel like anytime I've

1:20:55.640 --> 1:20:58.000
<v Speaker 2>been with you, your energy is always like upbeat. You've

1:20:58.040 --> 1:21:01.240
<v Speaker 2>always been positive, you've always been giving, like there's always

1:21:01.240 --> 1:21:05.439
<v Speaker 2>been a really nice spirit and way about you that

1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:08.599
<v Speaker 2>you have. And I feel like you've never become jaded

1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:10.680
<v Speaker 2>by the industry or jaded by things around you, and

1:21:10.720 --> 1:21:13.360
<v Speaker 2>you see that a lot for people, and not in

1:21:13.439 --> 1:21:16.439
<v Speaker 2>a judgmental way. You observe it. But it seems like

1:21:16.479 --> 1:21:19.400
<v Speaker 2>you've protected and carved out your space and your like

1:21:19.520 --> 1:21:22.519
<v Speaker 2>happy place and your safe space. And I was wondering,

1:21:22.560 --> 1:21:25.920
<v Speaker 2>how have you done that when so many people can

1:21:26.000 --> 1:21:27.800
<v Speaker 2>look at something and be like, oh, well, I don't

1:21:27.800 --> 1:21:29.160
<v Speaker 2>want to you know, people be like I don't want

1:21:29.200 --> 1:21:30.600
<v Speaker 2>to be too Hollywood, I don't want to do to this,

1:21:30.720 --> 1:21:33.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to go to that. But it feels

1:21:33.080 --> 1:21:35.640
<v Speaker 2>like you've been able to protect yourself regardless, you know,

1:21:36.120 --> 1:21:38.439
<v Speaker 2>being in a big thing, and I wonder how you've

1:21:38.479 --> 1:21:39.920
<v Speaker 2>been able to do that and how you've been able

1:21:39.960 --> 1:21:40.400
<v Speaker 2>to craft that.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, man, this is I love this question. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that one of the back to the gifts of what

1:21:52.400 --> 1:21:55.679
<v Speaker 1>I got from my mother. You know, she was always

1:21:55.840 --> 1:22:00.240
<v Speaker 1>really kind of somehow she made me think about how

1:22:01.320 --> 1:22:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I made people feel. And I remember that. I remember,

1:22:05.520 --> 1:22:07.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, it'd be simple things. I changed my mind

1:22:07.720 --> 1:22:10.400
<v Speaker 1>about going to a birthday party, and she would be like,

1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:14.439
<v Speaker 1>but how would that make you feel? And so somehow

1:22:14.600 --> 1:22:19.000
<v Speaker 1>she helped me to find my empathy and I can

1:22:19.120 --> 1:22:24.160
<v Speaker 1>put myself into other people's shoes, and I really appreciate

1:22:24.320 --> 1:22:28.599
<v Speaker 1>that was a gift. And so I can look around

1:22:28.680 --> 1:22:31.519
<v Speaker 1>me and I can feel empathy for other people, like

1:22:31.760 --> 1:22:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to connect with people I care about that.

1:22:36.560 --> 1:22:38.880
<v Speaker 1>I love bringing good I want people to bring me

1:22:38.960 --> 1:22:42.800
<v Speaker 1>good energy. I don't remember bring someone else anything else

1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:46.160
<v Speaker 1>but good energy. Like I care about the energy that

1:22:46.280 --> 1:22:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I cultivate in a space. And I also have learned

1:22:48.920 --> 1:22:51.640
<v Speaker 1>that if I can't bring that energy, then I can

1:22:51.760 --> 1:22:54.160
<v Speaker 1>remove myself from that space, Like I don't have to

1:22:54.240 --> 1:22:57.760
<v Speaker 1>be in a space if I'm not feeling good, you know,

1:22:57.960 --> 1:22:59.560
<v Speaker 1>because I can also not feel good. I don't have

1:22:59.560 --> 1:23:02.960
<v Speaker 1>to always feel good either. That part was a lesson.

1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Took me a while to get there too, you know,

1:23:05.760 --> 1:23:11.200
<v Speaker 1>But I appreciate that I want to bring that. I'm

1:23:11.320 --> 1:23:13.720
<v Speaker 1>conscious of what I'm bringing into a space and into

1:23:13.800 --> 1:23:16.000
<v Speaker 1>a room, and I want what I bring into a

1:23:16.080 --> 1:23:20.120
<v Speaker 1>space to be something that feels good. And so I

1:23:20.280 --> 1:23:24.760
<v Speaker 1>think that that's kind of that's it. I think that's

1:23:24.840 --> 1:23:28.280
<v Speaker 1>really it. And so just the distinction between the two,

1:23:28.880 --> 1:23:31.280
<v Speaker 1>giving myself permission to maybe not feel like I can

1:23:31.320 --> 1:23:35.000
<v Speaker 1>feel that space is great and then when I can

1:23:35.160 --> 1:23:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and when I'm ready, I do. And that's what I

1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:40.160
<v Speaker 1>want to do. I want to bring that, and I

1:23:40.240 --> 1:23:41.920
<v Speaker 1>hold other people to that. I'm like, hey, I don't

1:23:41.920 --> 1:23:42.800
<v Speaker 1>bring you that energy.

1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't want you to bring me that energy, you know,

1:23:47.040 --> 1:23:51.000
<v Speaker 1>because my energy is precious and it's important and it's

1:23:51.040 --> 1:23:53.760
<v Speaker 1>special and it's just not free. I don't just give

1:23:53.840 --> 1:23:56.400
<v Speaker 1>it to those who don't deserve it. So I also

1:23:56.479 --> 1:23:59.160
<v Speaker 1>had to learn the value back to one of my

1:24:00.200 --> 1:24:04.360
<v Speaker 1>gaps of who I am and what my energy is

1:24:04.479 --> 1:24:07.080
<v Speaker 1>and what a gift it is to be able. All

1:24:07.160 --> 1:24:10.080
<v Speaker 1>of our energy is a gift, and we can kind

1:24:10.120 --> 1:24:15.240
<v Speaker 1>of choose how do we want to give it? And

1:24:15.360 --> 1:24:19.040
<v Speaker 1>so I love that and learning when it's when to

1:24:19.200 --> 1:24:21.599
<v Speaker 1>give it and when not to give it. It's also

1:24:21.760 --> 1:24:24.200
<v Speaker 1>been a part of the journey too. I think I'm

1:24:24.240 --> 1:24:27.479
<v Speaker 1>doing better with that. They go to better man, a

1:24:27.520 --> 1:24:30.439
<v Speaker 1>lot of undeserved people, got a lot of good Alicia energy,

1:24:30.479 --> 1:24:33.599
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, man, no more of that, No more

1:24:33.680 --> 1:24:36.599
<v Speaker 1>of that. Like you got to know your limits, you know, like, Okay, cool,

1:24:36.640 --> 1:24:38.000
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't mean I have to be on kind to

1:24:38.080 --> 1:24:41.160
<v Speaker 1>that person, but they don't have to get my best

1:24:41.280 --> 1:24:45.479
<v Speaker 1>beautiful energy. They can kind of yeah, hold tight over there.

1:24:45.920 --> 1:24:48.639
<v Speaker 2>And you only realize that by giving it and knowing

1:24:48.720 --> 1:24:52.360
<v Speaker 2>that you overgave or undergave right, right, And you only

1:24:52.479 --> 1:24:54.400
<v Speaker 2>know that by trying it out. Like I know there

1:24:54.439 --> 1:24:56.200
<v Speaker 2>are people in my life who I believe deserve way

1:24:56.280 --> 1:24:58.720
<v Speaker 2>more better energy for me because they always have that

1:24:58.840 --> 1:25:01.640
<v Speaker 2>for me, and right, maybe overspent in this area. And

1:25:01.680 --> 1:25:04.320
<v Speaker 2>it's like looking at your bank balance at the end

1:25:04.320 --> 1:25:05.920
<v Speaker 2>of the month and going where did I overspend and

1:25:05.920 --> 1:25:08.080
<v Speaker 2>where did I underspend? And energy is the same thing.

1:25:08.120 --> 1:25:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Where did I overspend my energy? And who did I

1:25:11.040 --> 1:25:14.240
<v Speaker 2>overspend my energy with? And who did I underspend with? Fact,

1:25:14.360 --> 1:25:17.000
<v Speaker 2>and let me reflect on that. I love that. Yeah,

1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:20.000
<v Speaker 2>thank you, Alicia. I I've meant the first time we

1:25:20.040 --> 1:25:22.479
<v Speaker 2>ever did the interview was only audios during the pandemic,

1:25:22.920 --> 1:25:25.080
<v Speaker 2>and I remember, like, obviously, I mean, it's a no

1:25:25.160 --> 1:25:26.960
<v Speaker 2>brainer that you have the most beautiful voice, but I

1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:29.479
<v Speaker 2>remember just listening to you because we were so present,

1:25:29.520 --> 1:25:30.280
<v Speaker 2>because I could just.

1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Hear you, and it was a time.

1:25:32.280 --> 1:25:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was. It was a time, exactly, it

1:25:34.320 --> 1:25:36.599
<v Speaker 2>was a time. But I'm so grateful to be able

1:25:36.600 --> 1:25:38.880
<v Speaker 2>to see all your expressions today and just you know,

1:25:39.280 --> 1:25:41.439
<v Speaker 2>see you come to life. And we end every on

1:25:41.560 --> 1:25:45.000
<v Speaker 2>purpose interview with what we call a final five. Every

1:25:45.080 --> 1:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>question has to be answered in one word to one sentence.

1:25:47.479 --> 1:25:49.679
<v Speaker 1>Maximum one word to one sentence.

1:25:49.760 --> 1:25:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I'll probably ask you for more because I

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<v Speaker 2>always break my own rules.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'll try to be swift. I'm not get

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<v Speaker 1>it there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's fine, Alicia Keys. These are

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<v Speaker 2>your final five. So question number one, what is the

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<v Speaker 2>best advice you've ever heard or received?

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing before it's time, my grandmother, nothing before it's time.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that one. Question number two, what is the

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<v Speaker 2>worst advice you ever heard or received?

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<v Speaker 1>The worst The worst advice that I ever received was

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<v Speaker 1>that I had to kind of change myself to be accepted,

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<v Speaker 1>or that I had to even if I felt uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 1>I should do a thing because it's what you know

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be best received.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it's good to hear. I always like to

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<v Speaker 2>make a list of all the worst advice everyone's had,

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<v Speaker 2>because people are going to hear it again, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully they'll remember this moment when they hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>Good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Question number three, what was it like to perform

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<v Speaker 2>at the Super Bowl? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Man, it was crazy. It was totally insane. This is

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<v Speaker 1>longer than a sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>I found it so fascinating because it had to be built.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole thing had to be built, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>to time it in under three minutes. It could be built,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we had to have our performance in the

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<v Speaker 1>amount and it had to be and so and it

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<v Speaker 1>was live. So it's crazy to see a live thing

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<v Speaker 1>have to like operate in that level of like finite detail.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like in awe.

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<v Speaker 1>And then obviously the place and the people in the

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<v Speaker 1>vibe and the energy and it was just like really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, here is that your dress and the piano and

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was and the underneath the dress was the world's

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<v Speaker 1>best puppeteers, So they were actually puppeteers underneath the dress

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<v Speaker 1>to make it fly like that. That was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>How did your control freak nature deal with that? Like

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<v Speaker 2>three minutes and like the puppeteers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I just we had practiced so distinctly that

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<v Speaker 1>I knew everything that was going to happen and it

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<v Speaker 1>was perfect, and I just kind of, you know, control

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<v Speaker 1>freak until you can't. And as an artist, I just

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<v Speaker 1>at a certain point when you're when you're flowing and

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<v Speaker 1>creating and writing and saying, you do just have to

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<v Speaker 1>like be in the moment. So the control freak part

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<v Speaker 1>comes when I'm designing, creating the thing, But once I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in the thing, you have to just.

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<v Speaker 2>Go, oh, so that's beautiful. I love that. That makes

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<v Speaker 2>so much sense. Yeah, it's a great clarification on the

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<v Speaker 2>earlier point two. I love that, And that completely makes

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<v Speaker 2>sense in the architecture, the design, that's what the perfectionistics.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise though, it's like magic, whatever happens, whatever happens, it's

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<v Speaker 1>perfect for that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's beautiful. Question before. What's the first offering you

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<v Speaker 2>want me to use and the first offering you want

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<v Speaker 2>Roddy to use? And I want you to give them

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<v Speaker 2>to you now you can share them.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, all right, well I want you both to

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<v Speaker 1>wash your face, yes, but I want you to use

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<v Speaker 1>the ora missed. It has rose, It has rose.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we might start spraying this in the studio

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<v Speaker 2>every time now someone comes in.

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<v Speaker 1>And literally it just plows you instantly, and it's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>as free as the air.

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<v Speaker 2>That the affirmation.

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<v Speaker 1>And you always are as free as the air. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's just a beautiful reminder and my.

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<v Speaker 2>Best friend, that's beautiful. These are to let me.

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<v Speaker 1>Glow seerums, and this one, I think is the bronzeite.

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<v Speaker 1>I give my felt self permission to grow the bronze aura.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's going to get all three of these because

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<v Speaker 1>she's glowing and she's so spectacularly authentic. I just adore her,

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<v Speaker 1>So let me glow in all of the shades so

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<v Speaker 1>that she could just like King King, Ching King King.

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<v Speaker 1>She already glows, so we'll give that to her. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to see her.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. I can't wait for you to see her.

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<v Speaker 2>As well. That's beautiful. Thank you so much. We're so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank thank you for sending so much for my team

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<v Speaker 2>as well, everybody. We appreciate it, appreciate it so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifth and final question, if you could we ask this

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<v Speaker 2>every guest has ever been on the show, If you

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<v Speaker 2>could create one law that everyone in the world had

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<v Speaker 2>to what would it be.

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<v Speaker 1>I think my law would be that you you, you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot hurt another being. You cannot hurt them physically, you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot hurt them emotionally, you cannot hurt them. You cannot

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<v Speaker 1>hurt another another being. There's no reason, there's no difference,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing that allows the physical or emotional or spiritual,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, negligence or hurting of another being.

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<v Speaker 2>And then that's a great law. It's a great law.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we'd actually have to look at why we'd

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<v Speaker 2>want to hurt others and where that comes from, and

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<v Speaker 2>then actually her as well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's incredible. I love that. That would be really

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<v Speaker 1>amazing if we could look to that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's beautiful. At least you kids, Thank thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I always happy when I'm with you. I've always enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>collaborating and if only I could sing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's a song, this is our song.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I'm so grateful and I'm so excited for

1:31:16.479 --> 1:31:19.320
<v Speaker 2>people to use keys cull Care and have access to

1:31:19.479 --> 1:31:22.719
<v Speaker 2>it and to transform their heart, their soul, their mind,

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<v Speaker 2>and their body through this beautiful new offering and even

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<v Speaker 2>the intentionality. I was looking at how everything's called an offering.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no products. It's called rituals, not just routines. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I love all of that to it, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe that physical and I'll call them products

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<v Speaker 2>just for what I'm trying to say, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>physical products are so important to remind us of what

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<v Speaker 2>to do internally. Yes, and we do them every day.

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<v Speaker 1>We do call them product offering, so you can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like gel the ting together. But you're right, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the physical embodiment the embodying of the philosophy or

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<v Speaker 1>the practice. And I love that and you live that.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys live that. And thank you for this such

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<v Speaker 1>such for these questions that also made me pause and

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<v Speaker 1>think about how I wanted to share them. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love this show. This show is so good. But you

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<v Speaker 1>know that already because it's like a smash, so.

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<v Speaker 2>What the world? Thank you for trusting me absolutely so much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting you too, Thank you big love, amazing. If

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<v Speaker 2>this is the year that you're trying to get creative,

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying to build more, I need you to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to this episode with Rick Rubin on how to break

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<v Speaker 2>into your most creative self, how to use unconventional methods

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<v Speaker 2>that lead to success, and the secret to genuinely loving

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<v Speaker 2>what you do. If you're trying to find your passion

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<v Speaker 2>and your lane, Rick Rubin's episode is the one for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value,

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<v Speaker 2>like as an artist, if you like it, that's all

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<v Speaker 2>of the value.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the success comes when you say I like this

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<v Speaker 1>enough for other people to see it.