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Speaker 3: Happy Wednesday, Welcome to Breaking Points, Emily. How you doing

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Speaker 3: doing well?

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Speaker 4: Ryan. We've got a big show, lots of developments up

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Speaker 4: in the Middle East to cover, and we have.

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Speaker 5: Such a packed show.

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Speaker 3: We were going to actually, and I'm not even joking

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Speaker 3: this time, and I know it's hard for people to

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Speaker 3: tell when I'm joking or not, we were going to

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Speaker 3: have doctor Turtle Boyle on to cover the Karen Reid verdict.

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Speaker 4: We're so close.

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Speaker 5: The verdict did not come yesterday. It should have.

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Speaker 3: The judge screwed it up. It's probably going to come

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Speaker 3: this mon it's going to be not guilty. I'm telling

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Speaker 3: you now. Maybe they'll get her on the OUI thing,

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Speaker 3: the drinking and driving. It's a really important case for

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Speaker 3: not just police abuse, corruption, but also the First Amendment

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Speaker 3: because doctor Turtle Boy was charged with a bunch of

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Speaker 3: different crimes for reporting on the case, literally for reporting

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Speaker 3: on the case, and so far he's been victorious in

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Speaker 3: all of those cases.

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Speaker 5: Solidarity with Turtle Boy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, big time. And just know we are in touch with.

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Speaker 5: Turtle though not necessarily with everything Turtle Boy believes in.

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Speaker 4: Probably not, but we are in touch with Turtle Boy,

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Speaker 4: and we do hope to have him on the show soon.

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Speaker 4: But we're following that case very closely. Maybe we'll have

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Speaker 3: He's done incredible work on that case, so hopefully we'll

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Speaker 4: Yeah, amazing stuff.

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Speaker 3: Ryan.

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Speaker 4: We also have Brad Lander on today's show. That's a

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Speaker 4: big get. He's been making headlines across the country after

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Speaker 4: the dust up yesterday in New York City.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he spent several hours in federal custody yesterday because

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Speaker 3: he was demanding a warrant from masked men who are

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Speaker 3: and so there's video of him.

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Speaker 5: Let me see your warrant. Let me see your warrant.

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Speaker 3: I want to see your warrant because there have been

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Speaker 3: people impersonating ICE agents and using that kind.

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Speaker 5: Of cover to commit crimes.

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Speaker 3: He's demanding to see documentation that they are who they are.

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Speaker 3: They arrested him, and that might upend the mayoral race.

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Speaker 4: Right, so right, he's currently polling around third, right, but.

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Speaker 3: He and Zorhan have cross endorsed each other, so in

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Speaker 3: some ways it's a boost for Sorehan.

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Speaker 4: We will see what he thinks over the last What

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Speaker 4: be joined after we cover developments out of Iran. Will

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Speaker 4: certainly cover new statements from Vice President j d. Vance.

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Speaker 4: Ted Cruz did an interview with Tucker Carlson that already

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Speaker 4: is promising to be absolutely explosive. We have a couple

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Speaker 4: Ryan has some developments from Gaza. Obviously, many predicted that

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Speaker 4: Gaza that has proven sadly accurate. So Ryan is going

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Speaker 4: to break down the latest there and Ross Park and

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Speaker 4: endorsing Zoron Madani in New York City, and Ross will

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Ross is a terrific independent journalist up in New York City.

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Speaker 3: He's really the guy to follow if that's what you're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we'll be doing a live ama, So

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Speaker 3: So Trey Yanst for Fox News, who, interestingly a lot

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Speaker 6: Right now, there are ballistic missiles being fired at Israel's

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Speaker 3: be no sign yet of a ceasefire or slowing down

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Speaker 4: Iron Dome has been breached. There have been successful strikes

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Speaker 4: Now to your point, Trump posted yesterday. This is a

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Speaker 3: I saw that and I was so glad that this

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Speaker 3: about it wasn't actually us surrendering to Iron. It actually

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Speaker 5: So that's not how we.

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Speaker 4: Do it for a living breathing document.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's a living dead document, So it's not how

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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, this is a one you can see. These are

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Speaker 4: quote anti war Trump suddenly decide that warmaking looks totally

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Speaker 4: In phone calls with reporters, mister Trump began hinting that

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Speaker 5: The tariffs are working now net Yahoo.

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Speaker 3: You're like, you're already negotiating. You don't need to bomb

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Speaker 5: On the president. Well done. What do you do, Tulsi?

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Speaker 4: people are off message. So if you're Toldsy Gabbard, obviously,

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Speaker 4: to remain in any position of influence, you have to

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Speaker 4: walk an absolute tight rope. And I guess it's just

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Speaker 4: hard to know the extent to which she's done that.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad that it's not. I'll just say Bush forty

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Speaker 4: three at the White House right now, there's at least

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Speaker 4: some possibility of someone raising some cold water. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: you're right, I mean it could be literally just putting

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Speaker 4: out the cryptic video.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, when she resigns in protest or gets fired standing imitation,

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Speaker 3: please come on the program and tell us exactly what

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Speaker 3: you did to fight against these regime change wars.

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Speaker 4: And to your point, Jade Vance is going to have

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Speaker 4: to fill in that blank of what happened if he

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Speaker 4: wants to remain consistent and playcate. Actually a lot of

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Speaker 4: people in MAGA world. He's going to have to ultimately

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Speaker 4: fill in the blank of what changed since March, especially

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Speaker 4: if the United States involvement increases now now the Supreme

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Speaker 4: Leader Hamani has responded and said that Iran won't accept

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Speaker 4: quote imposed war or imposed peace, and has warned that

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Speaker 4: any United States strikes will have quote serious irreparable consequences.

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Speaker 4: The reporting is also that Iran is potentially preparing to

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Speaker 4: hit US basis. That's not surprising at all, but US

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Speaker 4: bases in the region, which means that we can be

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Speaker 4: dragged into this, as everyone knows, at any moment. But

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Speaker 4: that also that there could be deaths of US military

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Speaker 4: personnel at any moment. And so we are right now

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Speaker 4: simmering on the edge of it. Doesn't look like we're

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Speaker 4: heading for de escalation in any way whatsoever. It looks

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Speaker 4: like right now we're teetering on the brink of full

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Speaker 4: blown war.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. And according to yov Glan, we can play this here.

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Speaker 3: It is our obligation, the United States obligation to enter

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Speaker 3: into this war of their choosings.

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Speaker 5: Play A seven.

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Speaker 7: I believe that the United States of America and the

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Speaker 7: President of the United States have an obligation to make

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Speaker 7: sure that the region is going to a positive way

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Speaker 7: and that the world is free from Iran that possessed

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Speaker 7: nuclear weapons in the middle of the rich's place in

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Speaker 7: oil and gus in the world. This could be a

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Speaker 7: disaster for the world. And I believe that the determination

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Speaker 7: of the American president that have been shown recently will

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Speaker 7: pave the way to America to enter into this very

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Speaker 7: important operation. The president of the United States have the

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Speaker 7: option to change the Middle East and influence the war

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Speaker 7: and influence the world.

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Speaker 3: So if you read the Times piece very closely, you

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Speaker 3: get to parts where it just doesn't make sense. Like

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Speaker 3: Trump is on the phone that Yahoo telling him he

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Speaker 3: doesn't want to want net Yahoo to attack Iran while

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Speaker 3: he's still doing the negotiations, and he gets off the phone,

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Speaker 3: He's like, well, nothing I could do. It looks like

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Speaker 3: he's going to do it, and we might have to

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Speaker 3: join him, might have to help him out.

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Speaker 4: It's like, really, otherwise we look weak from his perspective.

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Speaker 3: Or you say, you're not doing that, and if you do,

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Speaker 3: we're not replenishing in your weapon stocks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be strunge.

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Speaker 3: But they have their own domestic industry. And there are

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Speaker 3: people in Israel who've been calling for you know, less

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Speaker 3: US military support because they want to build up their

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Speaker 3: own weapons industry even more than it is, so that

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Speaker 3: they're completely independent and can continue war endlessly without any

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Speaker 3: pressure from anybody, including US.

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Speaker 5: So let them do that.

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Speaker 3: Then it's like tell them, nan, yah, okay, if that's

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Speaker 3: what you're gonna do, you're gonna do it alone. But

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Speaker 3: it sounds like that, you know, just told him what

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Speaker 3: he was going to do, and that told him that basically,

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Speaker 3: and basically, you're going to help us, whether you like

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Speaker 3: it or not.

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Speaker 5: So what what did we have the whole election for?

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Speaker 5: We covered that.

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Speaker 3: We spent like a year on this dumb show covering

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Speaker 3: the presidential election.

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Speaker 5: Why should we just cover.

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Speaker 4: Cover the Israeli elections?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I guess so.

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Speaker 4: Well. Donald Trump, when he first won the Republican primary,

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Speaker 4: was winning a lot of votes specifically as a critic

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Speaker 4: of American foreign policy, which led a lot of people

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Speaker 4: to categorize him sort of neatly as an anti interventionist,

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Speaker 4: which has never been true. We knew that from his

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Speaker 4: first term that that was never true. And the Times

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Speaker 4: report and we could go full circle here that we

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Speaker 4: mentioned at the beginning of this block about Trump seeing

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Speaker 4: on Fox News the images of Israel bombing Iran and

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Speaker 4: an inching closer and closer to war. Again, that is,

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Speaker 4: all of us are strategicallyaking it's fog of war media information.

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Speaker 4: So you have to, you know, learn, We all have

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Speaker 4: to learn from what's happened many times in the past

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Speaker 4: and try the best we can to piece together the

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Speaker 4: puzzle of what happened here. And that's already hard enough

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Speaker 4: to do with Donald Trump's foreign policy because I think

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Speaker 4: it's it's so often about optics. But that's why that

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Speaker 4: particular part of the report rings sure. I mean, he

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Speaker 4: just spent tens of millions of dollars on a military

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Speaker 4: parade for admittedly the reason of optics. That's that's the

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Speaker 4: I guess.

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Speaker 5: Which just killed a woman.

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Speaker 4: I saw that tanks on New York Avenue here in DC.

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Speaker 4: But that is the predicate of peace through strength. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's obviously not just optics, but that the projection of

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Speaker 4: strength is the and this is taking in good faith,

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Speaker 4: obviously that argument. And I'm not saying that the argument

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Speaker 4: is being made by everyone in good faith, because certainly

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Speaker 4: it's but that you have to look strong in order

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Speaker 4: to have your foreign policy serve as a deterrent. Now,

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Speaker 4: the problem is that is very seductive, and it easily

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Speaker 4: ends up boiling into hot conflict. That's why it's always

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Speaker 4: been sort of funny to see in a tragic way,

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Speaker 4: the peace through strength conservative movement reported repeatedly support hot conflicts.

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Speaker 4: You know, from Gulf War. Then you can get into

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Speaker 4: Iraq obviously and Afghanistan, but also even just like post

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Speaker 4: Cold War skirmishes and different outposts, peace through strength is

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Speaker 4: really easy for that to just go strength and you

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Speaker 4: never actually get to the piece that.

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Speaker 5: Would be the history of the American empire.

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Speaker 4: Right, definitely, this is the last thirty years, at least

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Speaker 4: the last thirty years. But we don't quite know where

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Speaker 4: this is going. We do have this quote, and again

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Speaker 4: this is a Trump administration official to Dasha Burns at Politico. Quote.

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Speaker 4: The movement right now is away from diplomacy and toward

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Speaker 4: US involvement. We are moving toward taking out Irani and

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Speaker 4: nuclear facilities. So that's what's on the table. Could happen

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Speaker 4: at any moment.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the logic seems to inexorably lead to a strike

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Speaker 3: on the four doh and a mountain nuclear facility like

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Speaker 3: that seems to be like I making predictions, but like.

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Speaker 5: That that's where that's where this is headed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to see and.

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Speaker 5: Where that goes from here? What oil is? What up to?

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Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 5: Seventy something in a barrel? Now? Like oil prices are surging.

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Speaker 3: Iran is threatening the you know mine, the Strait of

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Speaker 3: Horror moves which is where the half the world's oil

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Speaker 3: moves through Irani and Yue, and Saudi oil moves through

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Speaker 3: their natural gas from Cutter moves through there. China has

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Speaker 3: built a railway from China to Tehran to ship oil

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Speaker 3: from Iran to China.

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Speaker 5: It's not fully operational.

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Speaker 3: I think it's first kind of maiden voyage was like

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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. But once that gets going,

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Speaker 3: they'll be able to move enormous amounts of oil into China,

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Speaker 3: which is where most of the Orian oil goes. Because

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Speaker 3: of our stupid sanctions, they get it actually much cheaper

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Speaker 3: than the otherwise would incredible American policy, like our policy

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Speaker 3: is going to be that one of the world's biggest

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Speaker 3: oil producers must sell its oil at a discount to

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Speaker 3: our adversary China. That's our policy, right because reasons reasons.

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Speaker 4: Well, just before we leave this block and get into

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Speaker 4: the politics of it, the death toll right now, according

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Speaker 4: to one human rights group, they're saying it's at least

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Speaker 4: five hundred and eighty five Iranians wounded. That's the death

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Speaker 4: toll or wounded is north of thirteen hundred. That's according

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Speaker 4: to the group human Rights Activists. There are there's other

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Speaker 4: smiths that put that a bit lower. The Associated Press

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Speaker 4: reports that Aron has a history of downplaying death tolls,

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Speaker 4: and so the higher number might be the safer assumption

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Speaker 4: in this case. But twenty four dead in Israel as well,

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Speaker 4: and it looks ryan like those numbers aren't going to

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Speaker 4: slow down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Trump said everybody in Tehran needs to evacuate.

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Speaker 3: Then he backed off of that. Israelis have set everybody

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Speaker 3: in I think District eighteen in Tehran I needs to evacuate,

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Speaker 3: which is in the center of the city. It's a

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Speaker 3: city of ten million people. We've spoken to people who

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Speaker 3: are there and are in contact with them. They said

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Speaker 3: there's no gas. Like you know, when you have a crisis,

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Speaker 3: you can't replenish the gas supplies. The gas stations, so

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Speaker 3: there's no gas like, so if you don't have a

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Speaker 3: tank of gas, like, you're not getting out of town. Also,

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Speaker 3: traffic is utterly gridlocked, and it's a city of ten

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Speaker 3: million people, so you cannot just flat evacuate it. Also,

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Speaker 3: banks are shut shut down because of Israeli hacks. This

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Speaker 3: hacker group called Predatory Sparrow, which is known to be

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Speaker 3: affiliated with with Israel, hacked to IERGC linked banks, which

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Speaker 3: are also very popular banks among regular people, so people

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Speaker 3: can't get their money. I'm also told that this same

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Speaker 3: hacker group took down the kind of this IERGC linked

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Speaker 3: crypto company I forget what it's called, and made off

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Speaker 3: with like forty seven million dollars and so Iranians, you know,

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Speaker 3: in order to because of sanctions. Crypto is a very

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Speaker 3: popular means of moving money around just between just from

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Speaker 3: people overseas into Iran. Like you live in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 3: just send money to your family back into Iran. Crypto

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Speaker 3: is an easy way to do it. And so that

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Speaker 3: has been routed. So if yeah, the destruction aside from

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Speaker 3: the kind of physical and the destruction, and so then

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Speaker 3: you tell somebody you need to evacuate under those circumstances

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Speaker 3: like it's.

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Speaker 5: Not going to happen. People are just going to honker

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Speaker 5: down and hope that they don't get killed.

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Speaker 4: And finally, let's put this last element on screen. A eight.

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Speaker 4: This is the debate over war powers that is escalating

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Speaker 4: in Congress now. Obviously, with Republican control of the House.

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Speaker 4: In the Senate, it's unlikely this is brought to the

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Speaker 4: floor or becomes a serious possibility of getting passed. But

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Speaker 4: as The New York Times reports here there's in the

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Speaker 4: House a Democratic Republican quoteamed up on Tuesday to introduce

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Speaker 4: a resolution that would require congressional approval before US troops

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Speaker 4: could engage in offensive attacks against Iran. The measure, by

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Speaker 4: Rocanna and Thomas Massey underscore of view held by many

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Speaker 4: in Congress that mister Trump should not be able to

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Speaker 4: decide on his own whether the US weighs deeper into

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Speaker 4: the conflict. Now. Senator Tim Kaine on Monday introduced a

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Speaker 4: similar resolution. The Time says, referring to the Upper Chamber,

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Speaker 4: there and Brian, this is I can't believe where even

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Speaker 4: it is so quaint and so obvious that this is

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Speaker 4: should not be covered by the aomths but here we are,

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Speaker 4: and it's it's hardly making a run.

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Speaker 3: Do they even claim that it's covered by the AMF

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Speaker 3: the An they haven't so fast. In two thousand two

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Speaker 3: is aimed at al Qaeda and its allies, al Qaeda

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Speaker 3: and Iran, you know, basically a war and that work, yeah, right, exactly.

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Speaker 3: So to the extent that al Qaeda exists as it

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Speaker 3: used to, like Iran is, there is Lauran as their adversary,

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Speaker 3: So trying to use it in that context would be absurd.

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Speaker 3: I think they're just they are not even caring. No,

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Speaker 3: they're just they're just going to do it. And so

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Speaker 3: Tim Kaine has put forward in the Senate and Massy

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Speaker 3: in the House of War Powers resolution, and Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 3: has put forward in the Senate bill that would basically

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Speaker 3: say you can't that would block the use of funds

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Speaker 3: for an attack on Iran. The We asked him Kine,

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Speaker 3: why he went this route rather than blocking funds, and

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Speaker 3: kin Kane told.

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Speaker 5: Us that drops out. It will have a story later today.

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Speaker 3: Teaming up with the prospect actually that he wanted something privileged.

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Speaker 3: Privileged means the leadership in the House and Senate cannot

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Speaker 3: block it. That's why Massey would have done the resolution

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Speaker 3: that way too. So it comes so it has to

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Speaker 3: at least come to the floor for a vote. It's

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Speaker 3: what the bite that it has is less than if

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Speaker 3: you pull funds because saying, hey, we say you can't

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Speaker 3: do this, it's unconstitutional. Presidents have been like whatever, like hike,

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Speaker 3: we're doing it anyway. But you know they're they're going

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Speaker 3: to at least put people on record, or that's that's

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Speaker 3: the hope at least could get up to I think

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Speaker 3: they're at what twenty seven or thirty co sponsors at

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Speaker 3: this point. That'd be incredible, right, but it's yeah, but

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Speaker 3: it's still the raises the question of where why isn't

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Speaker 3: the Democratic Party seizing this opportunity like a you think

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Speaker 3: Trump is a tyrant. He manhandled a senator last week,

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Speaker 3: indicted a Democratic member of Congress last week for some

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Speaker 3: ice stuff, or two weeks ago yesterday he arrested a

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Speaker 3: and he is an ice Democratic mayoral candidate in New York.

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Speaker 3: You think this guy's a tyrant. You don't think he

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Speaker 3: has legal authority to launch his war, And you're just

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Speaker 3: gonna kind of sit back and let Tim Kane and

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Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders then Massy do something. Rocanna called out, I

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Speaker 3: think he's gonna be on the program Friday. Rokanna called

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Speaker 3: out Schumer for Schumer's Schumer's response was, you know, if

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Speaker 3: we decide we're going to do it, we will definitely.

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Speaker 5: Assert our authority. Like what I mean.

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Speaker 3: If if you decide you're kind of thing is that

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Speaker 3: to say like we do it or don't do it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so in otherwise you're not, which which this is.

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Speaker 4: Why Congress should vote on these decisions. Is exactly why

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Speaker 4: Congress should be forced to vote on these decisions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, of course people should in a republic should have

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Speaker 5: a say on this stuff.

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Speaker 4: Completely insane, but here we are.

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Speaker 3: So so Yeah, you can call your mammer Congress tell

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Speaker 3: them to co sponsor this resolution, this war Powers resolution.

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Speaker 3: So at least there's some counter counter pressure.

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Speaker 4: Ryan, speaking of counter pressure and the degree to which

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Speaker 4: it may or may not exist in the West Wing

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Speaker 4: and in the Republican Party. Let's transition to this next

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Speaker 4: block where we're going to start here with Lindsay Graham

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Speaker 4: on Fox News yesterday making a statement that then reverberated

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Speaker 4: across X and particularly with people who are typically allies

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Speaker 4: of Donald Trump who are influential voices on the right.

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Speaker 4: So let's first rule Lindsey Graham on Fox News and

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Speaker 4: then get into the reaction that it's set off. Can

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Speaker 4: you guarantee that can President Trump in anything, can you

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Speaker 4: make the commitment that this would not lead to a

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Speaker 4: longer war.

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Speaker 9: I can guarantee you that if the ito all gets

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Speaker 9: a nuclear weapon, he will use it.

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Speaker 10: I believe that with all my heart and soul.

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Speaker 9: So the men and women who serve they're the ones going,

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Speaker 9: not people answering a poll, And if you ask them,

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Speaker 9: would you be willing to risk your life to stop

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Speaker 9: the I tool them from having a nuclear weapon, all

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Speaker 9: of them would say yes, because it makes their country,

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Speaker 9: our country is safer. So we live in a world

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Speaker 9: where you've got to confront problems you want to avoid

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Speaker 9: World War three, learn the lessons from World War two.

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Speaker 9: People in World War Two appeased Hitler to the point

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Speaker 9: that it got so much out of hand. We had

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Speaker 9: a world war and sixty million people got killed. So

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Speaker 9: we live in a world where you pay now or

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Speaker 9: you pay later.

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Speaker 5: I hope it's eliminated. I would like to.

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Speaker 9: See this regime fall, but I'm going to leave it

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Speaker 9: up to the President as to what to.

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Speaker 4: Do and when to do it.

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Speaker 9: But I do know this, if we don't take out

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Speaker 9: their nuclear program now, we'll all regret it. We're very close,

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Speaker 9: be all in, mister President and helping Israel finish the job.

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Speaker 9: And let's see where we're at after we neutralize our

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Speaker 9: nuclear program.

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Speaker 4: So it goes without saying that Charlie Kirk is obviously

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Speaker 4: very close to Donald Trump, very close to the White House,

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Speaker 4: and particularly close to Donald Trump Junior. This b too,

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Speaker 4: is how Charlie Kirk responded to Lindsay Graham's statement that

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Speaker 4: he would like to see the regime fall. He says,

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Speaker 4: this is insane. Regime change will results in a bloody

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Speaker 4: civil war, killing hundreds of thousands, and creating another massive

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Speaker 4: Muslim refugee crisis. Toapling a leader is never as easy

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Speaker 4: as you think. It almost always results in further involvement

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Speaker 4: in civil war and chaos. Resist this. Mount Wall of

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Speaker 4: the Daily Wire responded, Lindsay Graham is calling for a

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Speaker 4: full scale invasion of Iran for the sake of quote

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Speaker 4: fighting for our freedom. This is insane, reckless madness from

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Speaker 4: a war mongering asshole who's been in office for thirty

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Speaker 4: years and never done a single thing to make life

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Speaker 4: better for Americans. Every single every true America First Conservatives

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Speaker 4: should reject this maniac and everyone like him. Referring to

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Speaker 4: Lindsay Graham or Giam change war in the Middle East

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Speaker 4: has never made Americans freer. Ryan, Obviously, the goal right

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Speaker 4: now of Lindsay Graham and his allies is to convince

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Speaker 4: Maga world that this time is different. You mentioned this earlier.

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Speaker 4: This time jd vance to the point that he was

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Speaker 4: responding to Cassandra McDonald about this time, there is different

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Speaker 4: information since March, and trust us when we say it

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Speaker 4: this time, you're just you know, we're the good guys here.

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Speaker 4: We're not doing with this.

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Speaker 5: You'll be greeted as liberators this time.

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Speaker 4: This time we are not Colon Powell in front of

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Speaker 4: the UN. Things really did change since March, for example,

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Speaker 4: And that's where they find themselves right now, which is

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Speaker 4: quite interesting because they've dined out for the last decade

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Speaker 4: on criticizing Colin Powell and Donald Rumsfeld and all of

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Speaker 4: those genuine neo conservatives. They've dined out for about a

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Speaker 4: decade on slamming them and doing it to borrow a

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Speaker 4: word you used earlier in the show lustily right, with

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Speaker 4: great glee. And here they find themselves apparently listen, maybe

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Speaker 4: this time is different, seems unlikely. Maybe in here they

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Speaker 4: find themselves in the same exact situation.

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Speaker 3: And to give credit to the kind of the mega movement,

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Speaker 3: it is willing to have debates over policy to give

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Speaker 3: discredit to the MAGA movement. Because everyone is so loyal

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Speaker 3: to Trump, and because Trump takes loyalty so seriously and

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Speaker 3: holds such long grudges, those debates can never.

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Speaker 5: Include criticism of Trump.

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Speaker 3: So in this case, Lindsey Graham presents a nice target

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Speaker 3: for people who want to criticize Trump's policy here but

789
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Speaker 3: don't want to criticize Trump. So when Lindsey Graham goes

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Speaker 3: so far out on a limb and says such extreme stuff,

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Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, now we feel free, because no, Lindsey Graham.

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Speaker 5: Has had his ups and downs with Trump.

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Speaker 3: He's tight with him, but he's also like said that

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Speaker 3: he's done with him. He'll remember, Trump gave his phone

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Speaker 3: number out at a rally.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: That so Lindsey Graham is fair game.

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Speaker 3: Within magot, you can hit you can hit him, and

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Speaker 3: so they're kind of taking that opportunity.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Green and Matt Gates meanwhile making an awful

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Speaker 3: lot of sense.

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Speaker 5: Let's roll, let's roll them on. Ah A N Matt, I.

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Speaker 8: See it just as you do, and you like that

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Speaker 8: out so well, that's the America First message, But it's

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Speaker 8: also the truth that the American people have woken up to.

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Speaker 11: We've watched for decades propaganda news. I'll call out Fox

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Speaker 11: News and the New York Post. They're known to be

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Speaker 11: the neo con network news. We have propaganda news on

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Speaker 11: our side, just like the left does, and the American

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Speaker 11: people have been brainwashed into believing that America has to

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Speaker 11: engage in these foreign wars in order for us to survive.

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Speaker 11: And it's absolutely not true.

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Speaker 8: Prime mister net and Yahoo said I saw on video

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Speaker 8: he said today that America First is America dead.

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Speaker 11: And that sounds like a threat to me. And I

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Speaker 11: completely completely disagree with him on that.

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Speaker 3: Can oh and get a better mic from Marjorie Taylor Green.

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Speaker 3: You're on cable, like you lobbied Congress and like force

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Speaker 3: cable companies to pay you so you could be on cable.

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Speaker 3: Use some of that money center of mic. Come on,

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Speaker 3: what are you doing? What are you guys doing here?

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Speaker 4: You should sendator just as a courtesy.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll send her mike if she'll use it. Let's

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Speaker 3: let's jump to B six before we get to Bill Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: B six is Donald Trump Junior, because and I need

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Speaker 3: you to unpack this for us, so Usobiec says, you

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Speaker 3: know it's close to he's close to Bandon and close

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Speaker 3: to Trump. You know, when people warned that regime change

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Speaker 3: war would break up the MAGA coalition, consider that that

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Speaker 3: is exactly what the neo cons want, the anti never Trumpers,

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Speaker 3: And then Trump Junior says, this is one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 3: I'd add neo cons and Democrats. And that's why I

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Speaker 3: think my criticism, by the way, should be taken even

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Speaker 3: more seriously, because I recognize that if you go to war,

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Speaker 3: this probably does blow up the MAGA coalition, which, hey, fine,

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Speaker 3: I'd rather that the mega coalitions stay together and we

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Speaker 3: don't get war. But it's true that for a lot

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Speaker 3: of the like rich Lowry types and others who want war,

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Speaker 3: and actually this is a good opportunity. Put up Bill

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Speaker 3: Mitchell before you responded to it, so put up B five. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: B five is is Bill Mitchell who became this kind

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Speaker 3: of democrat basically right, But he says, has anyone considered

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Speaker 3: the possiblity of that America has miraculously survived so many

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Speaker 3: close calls over the centuries, is that our purpose is

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Speaker 3: to defend Israel. If we quit Israel, I believe God

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Speaker 3: may quit us. And I'm not prepared to take that chance.

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Speaker 3: Am I has. Didn't Bill Mitchell become kind of anti Trump?

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Speaker 4: I think he did, but he's sort of like he's

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Speaker 4: known as like hardcore Maga to the point of being

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Speaker 4: almost like the caricature of a Maga boomer on x never.

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Speaker 4: But I think he may have then like moved away

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Speaker 4: from it a bit. But that is a And you know,

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Speaker 4: there were some people on the right mocking that post

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Speaker 4: or expressing like just real opposition to what's in that post.

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Speaker 4: That's reflective of what we've talked about before. Dispensation was

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Speaker 4: fairly fairly common evangelical approach to Israel Ryan And it's basically, yeah,

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Speaker 4: what he's saying is that, and he's taking it even

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Speaker 4: and he's making even more political than the basic theory is.

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Speaker 4: But dispensationalism is that Israel plays a role obviously, that

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Speaker 4: political Israel, not the sort of historic nation of Israel,

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Speaker 4: but that political Israel, as the nation state that exists

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Speaker 4: right now in twenty twenty five, plays a role in

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Speaker 4: the end times, and then politically that has nudged a

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Speaker 4: lot of evangelical Christians. I think Mike Kakabye is sort

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Speaker 4: of played very carefully with us in the past. But

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Speaker 4: I think probably including Mike kakabee that yeah, that uh,

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Speaker 4: and everyone remembers his text message to Trump from yesterday,

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Speaker 4: which was sort of I think the implication of it

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Speaker 4: is that he's thinking of this like Bill Mitchell told

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump that God saved him for a reason and

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Speaker 4: then said he wasn't leaving Israel. Huckaby said he was

873
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 4: a leaving at.

874
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Speaker 5: Lease bring upon the apocalypse.

875
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Speaker 4: It felt like that you could you could read into

876
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 4: it that way. Yeah, So this is what's being pushed

877
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Speaker 4: back on by everyone else.

878
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: So Trump, So Trump Junior, not that he has a

879
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 3: whole lot of influence on Trump's senior, but what should

880
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: we read into Trump Junior cautioning against the very regime

881
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: change war that his father now seems to be getting

882
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: excited about.

883
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Speaker 4: So Tucker Carlston, Charlie Kirk, Trump Junior, these people are

884
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 4: very close to each other, and I.

885
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Speaker 3: Think Advance is kind of Advance is very in that.

886
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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, and reporting is that JD. Vance has politely

887
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 4: opposed We were talking about Tulsa earlier, but that Jade

888
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 4: Vance has internally politely opposed us. Again, we don't know

889
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 4: how much of that is true. Could just be strategic

890
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Speaker 4: leaks from the Vance camp to sort of cover himself,

891
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 4: but that's what's been suggested. So my best guest, Ran

892
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 4: is that what this is is genuine opposition. We keep

893
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 4: hearing the Charlie Kirks say trust Trump. We keep hearing JD.

894
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 4: Vance saying he trusts the commander in chief. We've heard

895
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Speaker 4: a couple of others say that politicians, elected officials, Republican

896
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Speaker 4: mag elected officials say that in the last forty eight

897
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Speaker 4: hours that they just trust Donald Trump's instincts on all

898
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Speaker 4: of this. So I think my best guess is that

899
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Speaker 4: they are inclined to be very skeptical, suspicious and opposed

900
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 4: to what's happening, and have expressed that privately, but are

901
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 4: publicly trying to play both sides. And look like they're

902
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 4: skeptical and suspicious of it. So they're taking every opportunity

903
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Speaker 4: to lash out at Lindsay Graham. He can kind of

904
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Speaker 4: be the whipping boy here so that it makes it

905
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Speaker 4: look like they're not fully neo conservative, even as Donald

906
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 4: Trump considers doing exactly what Lindsay Graham is calling for.

907
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Speaker 4: All right, well, that's as my buzz, guys.

908
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Speaker 3: I mean, hey, let's move from there to Tucker, because

909
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: I think that's a good a good segue into this

910
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: much now much anticipated interview. Ted Cruz sat down with

911
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson for his His His Cabin podcast, and Tucker

912
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: has so far released two clips. Ted Cruz already stalty

913
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: about the clips that have been released. The entire podcast

914
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Speaker 3: episode is not out yet, but it appears like it's

915
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Speaker 3: going to be Tucker Carlton and Ted Cruz arguing about

916
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Speaker 3: war with Iran for a very long time.

917
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Speaker 5: Let's roll the first bit. How many people living around?

918
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Speaker 10: By the way, I don't know the population at all. No,

919
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 10: I don't know the population. You don't know the population

920
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 10: of the country. You seek to topple.

921
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 4: How many people living around? Nine eight two million?

922
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 10: Okay, how could you not know that I don't sit

923
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Speaker 10: around memorizing popular tables. Well, it's kind of relevant because

924
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Speaker 10: you're calling for the overthrow of the government. Why is

925
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Speaker 10: it relevant whether it's will because ninety million or eighty

926
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Speaker 10: million or one hundred million. What because if you don't

927
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Speaker 10: know anything about the country. I didn't say I don't

928
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Speaker 10: know anything about Okay, what's the ethnic mix of iron

929
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Speaker 10: They are Persians and presuminantly Shia. Okay, you don't know

930
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Speaker 10: anything about Iran. So okay, I'm not the Tucker Carlson

931
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Speaker 10: bird on Iran. You're a center who's calling there the

932
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Speaker 10: one government, the one who about the country. No, you

933
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 10: don't know anything about the country. You're the one who

934
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Speaker 10: claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump.

935
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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that.

936
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Speaker 10: Who can't figure out to say General Solamoni and you said,

937
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 10: believe they're trying to murder Trump? Yes, because you're not

938
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Speaker 10: calling for military strikes against them in retaliation, and if

939
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Speaker 10: they really believe that carrying out military strikes today? Who

940
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 10: said Israel was right with our help? I've said we

941
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Speaker 10: Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them. Well, this

942
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 10: you're breaking news here because the US government last Night denied.

943
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Speaker 10: The National Security Council Spokesmanlex Fiffer denied on behalf of

944
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Speaker 10: Trump that we were acting on Israel's behalf in any

945
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Speaker 10: offensive capacity. We're not bombing, then Israel's bombing.

946
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Speaker 5: Then you just said we were.

947
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 10: We are supporting as stakes. You're a senator if you're

948
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Speaker 10: saying the United States government is now we're with the

949
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Speaker 10: run right now.

950
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Speaker 5: People are listening now.

951
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Speaker 3: One reason some of this might be important, Saga flagged

952
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: this this morning. Let's put up B nine. So this

953
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 3: is the Iraq war. Coverage is extremely important to go

954
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: back over because so much of what we're seeing today

955
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 3: directly mirrors what we saw in two thousand and one

956
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Speaker 3: and two in the lead up to the two thousand

957
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 3: and three invasion.

958
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Speaker 5: And I'll just read from this quote.

959
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: During those looks, the New York Times Fund during their

960
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 3: conversation with the President, Peter Gallbraith claims, it became apparent

961
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 3: to them that Bush was unfamiliar with the distinction between

962
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Speaker 3: Sunny's and she heites. Gall Breth reports that the three

963
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 3: of them spent some time explaining to Bush that there

964
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Speaker 3: are two different sects in Islam, to which the President

965
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Speaker 3: allegedly responded, I thought the Iraqis were Muslims, and so Emily.

966
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Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of people defending Ted Kruz here saying, look,

967
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Speaker 3: you don't have to read the CIA World Factbook about

968
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: every country. You know whether or not you want to

969
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 3: invade them. And you know Cruise's point there is, like,

970
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter if there's eighty million or one hundred and

971
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 3: ten million. You could say, okay that maybe maybe that

972
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: particular data point doesn't matter. Seventy to one hundred and

973
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Speaker 3: ten million. It's forty fifty million people we're talking about here.

974
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Speaker 3: But okay, fine, let's let's grant that the ethnicity, the

975
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Speaker 3: ethnic breakdown is so important because what happened in Iraq,

976
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 3: like what like let's just think about it, like what

977
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 3: what actually happened after we invaded exactly what Peter Galbraith,

978
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 3: by the way, warned would say, warned would happen. He said, Hey,

979
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Speaker 3: right now, you have a Sunni minority who is in

980
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 3: control of the country in the form of Sodom Hussein.

981
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Speaker 3: There's a Sham majority, and then there's and there's a

982
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Speaker 3: Kurdish population up in the north that do not like

983
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: Saddam Hussein Uh and in fact, there was a no

984
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Speaker 3: flies on at the at the time, kind of basically

985
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Speaker 3: creating a de facto independent Kurdish region in the north.

986
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Speaker 3: Uh that if you get rid of Saddam Hussein, Iran

987
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Speaker 3: is going to arm and in power Shia militias who

988
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Speaker 3: are going to spark a sectarian civil war in Iraq.

989
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 5: That's what was predicted. And if you didn't know.

990
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: These basic facts about the country, you would not be

991
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 3: able to do that analysis. So to say that, oh,

992
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: Iran is Persian and you know, predominantly Shia, is to

993
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 3: then say, well, we'll knock off one Shia Ayahtola and

994
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 3: we'll get it, and we'll get a we'll put a

995
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Speaker 3: Shia you know res you know, we'll throw in the

996
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: Shah's kid and everything will be fine. You're your colleague,

997
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 3: saver it unheard. Amani wrote a piece recently that actually,

998
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 3: and maybe that's where Tucker got it. Maybe he read

999
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 3: that and was like, oh, this this sounds very familiar.

1000
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: He wrote a piece saying, look, yes, there are a

1001
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Speaker 3: lot of Shia Persians in Iran, but it's like barely

1002
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 3: a majority. In fact, it doesn't even include the Ayatola.

1003
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 5: Who's Zari r uh.

1004
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 3: You have a you have a Kurdish region in the northwest,

1005
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 3: which we love to foment.

1006
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 5: You know, we anywhere we.

1007
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 3: Can find like a population anywhere that is interested and

1008
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 3: that is that has some skepticism of the metropol. We

1009
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: love to go in and send them some weapons and

1010
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 3: some encouragement, some weapons and.

1011
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 5: Go ahead, this express your national interests.

1012
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 4: Go ahead.

1013
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: You know, we do that everywhere, and we're not the

1014
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 3: only ones that know how to do that. So if

1015
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 3: you create this power vacuum and you have half the

1016
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 3: country fighting the other half of the country fighting other

1017
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: sacks of the country, that seems like something we should

1018
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 3: consider before we go into wars. So that's why I

1019
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 3: think it's not fair to say that Tucker was asking

1020
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 3: him trivia questions.

1021
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I mean listen, like, I think Tucker's using

1022
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 4: those questions as a way, a clever way to make

1023
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 4: a point. And you know, so.

1024
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Speaker 3: Ted Cruz is like the smartest, one of the top

1025
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 3: five smartest senators IQ.

1026
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 4: Wise, he's up there for sure. Yeah, he's like, hey

1027
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 4: and Mike Lee and Bernie smart.

1028
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 5: I can't tell.

1029
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 4: I think he's pretty smart. Yes, So Cruz responded, quote,

1030
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 4: did a long interview with Tucker, he released a snippet

1031
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 4: playing a quote gotcha on the population of Iran. I

1032
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 4: declined to play that silly game. Watch the full two

1033
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 4: hour interview where Tucker attacked Trump, attacks the APAC lobby,

1034
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 4: and falseley claims Iran is not trying to assassinate Trump.

1035
00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 4: So Cruise, interestingly enough, is advertising this video as heavily

1036
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 4: as Tucker, if not even more heavily than Tucker. He

1037
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 4: also reposted an attempt to criticize Tucker that said, Tucker,

1038
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 4: what's the Iatola's favorite color? Ted Cruise? I don't know, Tucker,

1039
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 4: How then can you support an attack on Iran? Cruise

1040
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 4: because they're building nuclear weapons, want to destroy American Israel? Tucker,

1041
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 4: that's ridiculous. He told me his favorite colors blue, So yeah,

1042
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 4: I mean, like again, Ted Cruise makes a point that I.

1043
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 5: Think actually read obviously his favorite color is red.

1044
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 4: Come so easy, It's so easy. He loves our lighting.

1045
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 4: Sources say, but here at break your boys, But.

1046
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 5: It's a homage to the Ayatola.

1047
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, people are gonna believe it what you say.

1048
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 4: He's trying to Tucker's trying to make a very legitimate point.

1049
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 4: Ted Cruz, I think has a fairly legitimate response where

1050
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 4: he says, what does it matter whether the population is

1051
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 4: eighty million or one hundred million or ninety two million. Fine,

1052
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 4: that is a perfectly legitimate response. But what Tucker is

1053
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 4: trying to get at with that line of questioning as

1054
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 4: he built to what is the ethnic break down of

1055
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 4: Iran is exactly what Soccer pointed out is that we

1056
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 4: sit here and play risk from air conditioned conference rooms

1057
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 4: in Washington, DC basically, and then a bunch of poor

1058
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 4: American kids end up getting dragged into it, and you

1059
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 4: kill a bunch of civilians. I mean, already seventy women

1060
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 4: and children are reportedly have reportedly been killed over the

1061
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 4: last week in Iran. So that's already happening. And so

1062
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 4: it's easy, I think, to get caught up, especially when

1063
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 4: we look back and comparing what happened in the early

1064
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 4: days of the build up in Iraq and Afghanistan. Is

1065
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 4: just so so easy to get caught up in war

1066
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 4: as a culture war, war as like actual war. And

1067
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 4: I think Tucker's making a perfectly legitimate point. I'm excited

1068
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 4: to watch the full two hours here. I think we

1069
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 4: know what Tedgrus is going to say, but you made

1070
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 4: a point early in the show. I find it interesting

1071
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 4: that at least is willing to debate these sort of things.

1072
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 4: I guess that's true. I mean, this is this is

1073
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 4: two pretty high profile mainstream MAGA voices sitting down and

1074
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 4: yelling at each other and encouraging people to watch their argument.

1075
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 4: I guess that is that's a glass half full. Take.

1076
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 3: And notice what Ted Cruz used as two of his

1077
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 3: retorts to Tucker Carlson. In his tweet, Tucker Carlson criticized Trump.

1078
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: Mm yep, yep, Like that's his argument. His argument is

1079
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 3: not I was right about x y Z. It's Tucker

1080
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 3: Carlson said something mean about Trump, so therefore Tucker Carlson

1081
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 3: should be rejected. And then he also says, and Tucker

1082
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 3: Carlson doesn't believe that the Iranians are trying to kill Trump,

1083
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 3: which there's this whole thing that that there was this

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Speaker 3: intel report, which apparently Trump does not believe either. That

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Speaker 3: he thinks that this was the deep State lying to

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Speaker 3: him to try to manipulate him. That this this claim

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Speaker 3: that Iran was actually trying to kill Trump. There's much

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Speaker 3: more evidence that Ukraine, did you follow that one assassin

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Speaker 3: and much more evident.

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Speaker 5: In Ukraine was actually or somebody in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: We should we should we should cover that, uh that

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Speaker 3: that assassination attempt more in depth.

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Speaker 5: There's an there's a go you can go google it.

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Speaker 3: There's this indictment where the guy, one of the guys

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Speaker 3: who tried to kill Trumps like in communication with Ukrainians like, what, so,

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Speaker 3: let's go bomb them, I guess. But Tucker's response was,

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Speaker 3: you don't really think that Iran is trying to kill

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Speaker 3: Trump because if you did, you would support.

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Speaker 5: Bombing them right now for that.

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Speaker 3: And you don't you support bombing them over there the

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Speaker 3: claims of nuclear and Richmond or whatever. So he's saying,

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Speaker 3: he's saying, nobody believes it and it's all just a lie.

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Speaker 4: And so the question going forward then is how Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump reacts. I mean, obviously he's been very critical of

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Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson just in the last several days. But does

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Speaker 4: does Trump continue siding with Tucker or continue siding with

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Speaker 4: Ted Cruz over Tucker, or does Trump, who is always

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Speaker 4: putting his ear to the ground on his base as

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Speaker 4: far as his base is concerned. Remember, even he was

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Speaker 4: concerned that net Yahu had a quote unquote public relations

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Speaker 4: problem in Gaza about a year ago. So does does

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Speaker 4: Trump falter on any of this or does he see

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Speaker 4: this ultimately in his best interest or does he see

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Speaker 4: this as something that's necessary for him to do in

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Speaker 4: order to maintain the support of his own coalition, including

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Speaker 4: like he knows, for example, Tucker. He thinks that Tucker

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Speaker 4: will always be with him. I don't think that's the case.

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Speaker 4: But he thinks that he can keep Tucker and Ton

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Speaker 4: Junior and Charlie Kirk on board, which I think that

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Speaker 4: is probably true, and Tulci Gabbard, I don't know about that.

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Speaker 4: But can he do that and still keep Mary Madelson happy?

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Speaker 4: Can he do that and still keep Ted Cruz happy?

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Speaker 4: And the people who believe the same things that Ted

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Speaker 4: Cruz does? Can you keep those people happy? And does

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Speaker 4: he think it's more important to keep those people happy?

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Speaker 4: Does he agree with him? We just honestly have no

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Speaker 4: idea at this point, and that's the huge open question.

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Speaker 3: So the other clip Tucker released is them going back

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Speaker 3: and forth on Massade spying on the United States.

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Speaker 5: Let's roll this one.

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Speaker 10: Does Masade share all of this intelligence with us?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 10: Probably not, but they share a lot. We don't share

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Speaker 10: all of our intelligence with them, but we share a lot.

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Speaker 10: It's a close a lot. Do they spy domestically in

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Speaker 10: the United States? Oh, they probably do, and we do

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Speaker 10: as well. And friends and allies spy on each other.

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Speaker 10: And I assume why I assume all of our allies

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Speaker 10: spy on us.

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Speaker 5: That's okay with you.

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Speaker 10: You know what. One of the things about being a

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Speaker 10: conservative is that you're not naive and utopian. You don't

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Speaker 10: think humans are all. Part of the reason socialism doesn't

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01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 10: work is is the mantra for each according to his abilities,

1145
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 10: to each according to his needs doesn't work. As a conservative,

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Speaker 10: I assume people act in their rational self interest.

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Speaker 5: To pay people to spy on you.

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Speaker 10: It's conservative to recognize that human beings act to their

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01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 10: own self interest. And every one of our friends spies

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Speaker 10: on us, And I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Do you like it?

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Speaker 10: That's my question. I'm not asking whether they have motive

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Speaker 10: to do it. Of course they do. I understand that,

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Speaker 10: and I and by the way, I'm not mad at that.

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Speaker 10: And you're an American lawmaker, So I just want to

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Speaker 10: want to I want to know your attitude. You said

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Speaker 10: that you're guiding principle, in fact, the only principle, the

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Speaker 10: only criterion. I said, guiding the overwhelming. I wouldn't say

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Speaker 10: only is it in America's interest? Is it an America's

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Speaker 10: interest for Israel to spy on us, including on the president?

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Speaker 10: It is an America's interest to be closely allied with

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Speaker 10: Israel because we get huge benefits for it. And you

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Speaker 10: want to want to see the clearities.

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Speaker 5: But I just want to stop on the spine for

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Speaker 5: a second.

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Speaker 10: That it takes place, as you know, and including on

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Speaker 10: the President of the United States and several precedents, and

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Speaker 10: I just want to know if that's okay, and why

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Speaker 10: is it okay? Wouldn't an American lawmaker say to a

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Speaker 10: client state, you're not allowed to spy on us.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I know why you want to.

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Speaker 10: I'm not mad at you, but you're not allowed to, sure,

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Speaker 10: and I don't care for it. I don't want to

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Speaker 10: be spot on by you. Is that it's kind of

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Speaker 10: weird not to say that, but you don't seem able

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Speaker 10: to say that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what Tucker's poking at There is this longtime argument

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Speaker 3: from critics of Israel that Israel is not a very

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Speaker 3: good ally, and he and Tucker saying like, look, I

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Speaker 3: don't blame them. They're looking out for their own interests, right,

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Speaker 3: and fine, that's what. But we are Americans. We can

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Speaker 3: look out for our own interests. And if they're going

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Speaker 3: to constantly spy on us, you know, Boris Johnson famously

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Speaker 3: said he thought Netna, who himself, bugged his bathroom when

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Speaker 3: he stayed at his place, the Menna was always coming

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Speaker 3: in with these massive diplomatic bags. And people are like, ah,

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Speaker 3: it's funny that he is, you know, having his lonlaundry

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Speaker 3: wash here. What else do you think he's breaking in there?

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Speaker 3: Not just his laundry?

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Speaker 4: Wait, no, the laundry actually is.

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Speaker 3: It's this thing that he brings dirty laundry becaus a

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Speaker 3: free laundry service for like foreign leaders.

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Speaker 4: To get the water Gate or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and everybody laughs about it. It's like a couple morons.

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Speaker 3: He's bringing in more than his laundry.

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Speaker 4: It's never just lunch, never just laundry. Yeah. I mean

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Speaker 4: the idea is that our ally or that our interests

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Speaker 4: are always aligned. Right. That's the line that they.

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Speaker 3: Were caught somewhat recently putting a whole bunch of like

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Speaker 3: scanners around the White House.

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Speaker 4: Right, And what Carlson is saying there is that the

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Speaker 4: interests of the United States in Israel are not always

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Speaker 4: aligned in some pretty significant ways. But also I think

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Speaker 4: he referred to them in that clip as a client

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Speaker 4: in a client state, and so I think the point

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Speaker 4: that he's making is that Israel's interests should as a

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Speaker 4: client state, as he said. But I mean either way,

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Speaker 4: they were twenty percent of their military budget annually and

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Speaker 4: they've said that they wouldn't be able to prosecute the

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Speaker 4: Worry Gaza if it weren't for us. So if you

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Speaker 4: are that dependent on another nation, it's you may think

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Speaker 4: it's in your interests to spy on that nation, but you,

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Speaker 4: Ted Cruz, as a representative of that nation, should tell

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Speaker 4: them not to because you have the power. And this

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Speaker 4: is what we're talking about earlier in the show when

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Speaker 4: you mentioned that actually, if Trump was interested in projecting strength,

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Speaker 4: strength would be coming out and telling Yahoo to cut

1218
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Speaker 4: it out and seeing you know how that would go.

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's a fair point from Tucker obviously

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Speaker 4: that if you again want the United States to be

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Speaker 4: so supportive of Israel to the point where Israel is

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Speaker 4: dependent on the United States for its actual existence, which

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Speaker 4: is obviously the case from their perspective and from Ted

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Speaker 4: Cruz's perspective, then shouldn't you tell them, maybe not to

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Speaker 4: spy on the United States and not just give them

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Speaker 4: that tacit a. Everybody does it, So go on ahead

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Speaker 4: and tap our our phones and our White House and

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Speaker 4: all that. It seems reasonable, SAME's reasonable, seems reasonable.

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Speaker 5: Nothing is reasonable about this though.

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Speaker 4: No