Speaker 1: All from Ivy.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hey are you ghek?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Who are you?
Speaker 2: I'm Ivy.
Speaker 3: It's nice to meet what's hey? Nice to meet you too, man.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Nothing much?
Speaker 2: I'm excited for Thanksgiving? Are you excited for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's a little bit depressing, but like,
Speaker 3: I don't care that much about holidays. I like, I'll
Speaker 3: tell you this. I like seasons. I don't care about days.
Speaker 3: Days are stupid, but seasons are nice. And I enjoy
Speaker 3: November and December. I enjoy Christmas lights. I enjoy the
Speaker 3: Halloween season, you know. I mean with the holiday season
Speaker 3: is October to December. There's not really any other like
Speaker 3: holidays outside of that time. And there's Valentine's Day and
Speaker 3: the fourth of July. I guess, But you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know why. As I get older, holidays matter to
Speaker 3: me less and less. I think they'll continue to not
Speaker 3: matter until I have kids, if I ever have kids,
Speaker 3: and then you kind of like, yeah, then I feel
Speaker 3: like at that point, you you like vicariously relieve the
Speaker 3: magic of the holidays through them. But until then, it's
Speaker 3: like I don't care about you know, It's like I
Speaker 3: don't know I am. I'm thinking. I think I'm just
Speaker 3: trying to sound cool right now. What's up with you? Ivy?
Speaker 4: What are you?
Speaker 3: What's talk about?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Well? Fuck it? Why are you excited for for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3: What do you like about it?
Speaker 2: I'm excited for food. But I called you specifically because
Speaker 2: I wanted to tell you about my time on the
Speaker 2: appalach Trail and how you specifically pushed me through it.
Speaker 3: I get the fuck out of here. I was in.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 3: I hiked the Appalation Trail.
Speaker 6: Oh shit.
Speaker 3: Really, I hiked not the whole thing, maybe like thirty
Speaker 3: miles when I was in seventh grade.
Speaker 6: That's dope.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: I didn't hike the whole thing either. I hiked about
Speaker 2: like one hundred and sixty miles of it. But you
Speaker 2: you helped me a lot. Because I don't have I
Speaker 2: don't have Spotify Premium, but I do have Spotify and
Speaker 2: they let you download podcast. I was like out in
Speaker 2: the middle of the wilderness and like the only my
Speaker 2: only company for a huge period of time, which just
Speaker 2: you and the wacky people who's on your street. And
Speaker 2: I don't know, it was it was, it was. It
Speaker 2: was nice. It was nice, like because I had never
Speaker 2: like listened to you before, and I was just like
Speaker 2: out on like a wind was like, yeah, let's let's
Speaker 2: download this guy's stream. And I don't know, I loved it,
Speaker 2: and I was I was just calling to tell you
Speaker 2: about some experiences I had out there.
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this. So you went, if
Speaker 3: I was the only if I was your only friend
Speaker 3: on the road, who was Uh? Were you just by yourself?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was just by myself. I graduated high school like
Speaker 2: three weeks. It wasn't too long.
Speaker 3: Cool. Cool, Yeah, let's hear some stories.
Speaker 2: So, uh, you know, the Appalation Trail is one of
Speaker 2: the most heavily traveled like like trails in the entire world. Right,
Speaker 2: But there's like huge long periods of time where you
Speaker 2: will see no one in like certain sections. And for
Speaker 2: a long period of time. There was this man who
Speaker 2: I was with and I would camp with him for
Speaker 2: like a couple just for a week or so, and
Speaker 2: that guy like as more I got to know him,
Speaker 2: like the crazier he got. So whenever we first meet,
Speaker 2: you know, it's just like, hey, what kind of fear
Speaker 2: do you have? You know, why are you out here?
Speaker 2: He's like my dad died recently. I'm just hiking the
Speaker 2: trail because I want to get, you know, closer to him.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that's cool, that's cool. You know,
Speaker 2: I get it. You know, everyone's out here for their
Speaker 2: own reasons. Some people they quit their jobs and they're
Speaker 2: just gone. But then, like, as I'm talking to this
Speaker 2: dude more and we're like sitting, you know, at night,
Speaker 2: we're like cooking up our dinner and what like, he's
Speaker 2: just like he's like, yeah, I'm like, I'm I'm high
Speaker 2: right now. I'm like, oh, sweets, you got like wheat
Speaker 2: And he's like, no, I'm high on mushrooms. Man, I've
Speaker 2: been high on mushrooms for two weeks straight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: I'm like I'm like, oh, I mean, I get it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like it's it's you're nice in nature, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't have any responsibilities. I'm like, I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: so you know, are you just gonna like eventually stop
Speaker 2: doing mushroom? And he's like, no, no, because I quit
Speaker 2: my job. And he starts telling me about this really
Speaker 2: sad backstory. He's like he he was like sales guy,
Speaker 2: big sales guy, and he was really top of his
Speaker 2: company and whatnot. He almost gets hit by a car.
Speaker 2: His first thought after that is like, I wish I died.
Speaker 2: And after that he's like, I can't do this anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to Mexico on a drug retreat. And
Speaker 2: when he's in Mexic to go on a drug retreat
Speaker 2: taking mushrooms down there, his dad dies. So he was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm just got done with this crazy
Speaker 2: drug retreat in Mexico. I'm gonna go on the Appalachian
Speaker 2: Trail and I'm going to do mushrooms the.
Speaker 3: Entire time, and yeah, go ahead, keep going.
Speaker 2: And you know, I was just like, okay, I mean,
Speaker 2: fair enough, everyone has their hobbies. You know, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna I'm not gonna I'm not gonna like be mad
Speaker 2: at the guy for doing mushrooms. But like I had
Speaker 2: this weird encounter with them, like later that night, because
Speaker 2: I went to go use the bathroom and it's like
Speaker 2: late at night and I'm walking off into the woods
Speaker 2: and I look back and the dudes just like standing
Speaker 2: up and just staring off in the woods. I'm like, hey, dude,
Speaker 2: what's the problem. It's just like there's something out there
Speaker 2: and that's all he said to me. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: what do you mean there's something out there? He wouldn't
Speaker 2: say anything else. He's just like there's something out there.
Speaker 2: So like I get back in my in my tent
Speaker 2: and I'm just like I'm trying to go back to sleep.
Speaker 2: But like that like had voice and he's like how
Speaker 2: he was looking and just everything. I'm just like I
Speaker 2: didn't see anything. I didn't hear anything. But what if
Speaker 2: he was what if he was running?
Speaker 6: If what if it was.
Speaker 2: A skin walker? What if he saw a skin walker
Speaker 2: and I just didn't see it because I'm not on
Speaker 2: that same frequency as the skin.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, pause for a second. What is a skin walker?
Speaker 6: Like, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Native American like legends of like the appellations, like the
Speaker 2: skin walkers are like the spirits that live in there,
Speaker 2: and they had like bad ebgb's.
Speaker 3: He saw like the blair Witch.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe I don't know, maybe he was seeing
Speaker 2: the blair Witch, but I didn't see the blair Witch.
Speaker 4: Wait.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, you're saying that this guy
Speaker 3: who's been taking mushrooms for two weeks is hallucinating.
Speaker 2: I mean probably, I mean I know, I'm thinking way
Speaker 2: too much about this, but I don't know. It just
Speaker 2: it just kept me up for a while because I
Speaker 2: thought that there was I thought there was something out there.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: No, that's kind of terrifying what happened in the morning.
Speaker 2: So he gets up really really early and he's just gone,
Speaker 2: like he I think he just hyped ahead of me
Speaker 2: and just kept going and I didn't. I never eventually
Speaker 2: caught up to him. That It was like the last
Speaker 2: time I ever saw him was bad night. I knew
Speaker 2: he knew he left. So I mean, I think he's
Speaker 2: like he was like in like late thirties, like.
Speaker 3: Man, and did he and he just he was just
Speaker 3: like at the sales company and he just got really
Speaker 3: fucking depressed from it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, man, Yeah, I mean it happened. It happens
Speaker 2: to a lot of people, people with their jobs and
Speaker 2: then they just walk on the trail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, Well I think about I think about
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff because like, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: if you can, why would you not exactly go on
Speaker 3: a little adventure.
Speaker 2: I mean, I I loved it, you know, I would.
Speaker 2: I had like Lord of the Rings as like an audiobook,
Speaker 2: and I was listening to that bitch, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm fucking trodeo.
Speaker 3: I'm so, did you encounter any other folks on the trail?
Speaker 2: I did. I did. A lot of them weren't as
Speaker 2: crazy as him. Actually, they're really really nice. I met
Speaker 2: this This is like his mother out there and she
Speaker 2: just retired and you know, her kids are about to graduate.
Speaker 2: Me in her bonding because I had just graduated, and
Speaker 2: we ended up going. We ended up walking for the
Speaker 2: rest of the time. I actually almost walked the rest
Speaker 2: of the trail the rest of the time of the
Speaker 2: trail with her. And she was super super nice. Uh
Speaker 2: she you know, she was talking about going to Van Live,
Speaker 2: she was talking about her job. She gave me a
Speaker 2: lot of like resources for when I go into college.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: So she was really really nice. But she also carried
Speaker 2: like a whole wine bottle on her like all times,
Speaker 2: and she would take it like a nightcap every single
Speaker 2: every single night, just just a glass of wine. Super cool.
Speaker 3: And then you meet like a guy who just like
Speaker 3: is high all the time, and then you meet like
Speaker 3: you just meet a new person who's always on a
Speaker 3: new drug life.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, effectively like you you learned a lot
Speaker 2: of life lessons out there. I learned I learned from
Speaker 2: this other dude. His name was Achilles. That was trail name.
Speaker 3: Wait, that's he?
Speaker 5: What bro?
Speaker 3: What's your Did people really have trail names?
Speaker 2: Tell me about the trail people have trail names? Trail names?
Speaker 3: Was your trail name?
Speaker 2: My trail name was old school because all of my
Speaker 2: camping gear was old as ship. I was like rocking
Speaker 2: ship from the nineties, old school.
Speaker 3: I have to ask, yeah, the trail name. I feel
Speaker 3: like trail names are similar to nicknames, where you can't
Speaker 3: really give yourself your oh yeah, trail name you have.
Speaker 2: You can never go into your trail name.
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't have a story of you who gave
Speaker 3: you your trail name?
Speaker 2: So, uh, would you believe it? If? If this this
Speaker 2: guy was not on drugs, but he was recovering from drugs,
Speaker 2: and he was out there about like this fifty year
Speaker 2: old dude, and we hiked for like, you know, about
Speaker 2: solid two hours together and he was just out there
Speaker 2: day hiking and we talked for a long time. He
Speaker 2: talked about going to Miami when he was younger and
Speaker 2: getting mess up on drugs. Eventually getting off of drugs
Speaker 2: is getting into real estate, right, and he's like, I
Speaker 2: love nature. It's how I got off of this. And
Speaker 2: he was really pushing me through it because he was like,
Speaker 2: as I was talking to him, he was like, you know,
Speaker 2: you have an old school way of doing things. You know,
Speaker 2: you're just out here. You're not trying to push yourself
Speaker 2: for any goals. You're just trying to be out here
Speaker 2: in nature, you know, all your years old. No, And
Speaker 2: he was just like and he's just like, you know,
Speaker 2: and just was like keep going, man, And you know,
Speaker 2: I was really really appreciated that. And I was like
Speaker 2: a day later, I'm sitting on the side of the road, right,
Speaker 2: because like the trail, the Afflation trail goes like sometimes
Speaker 2: through roads, right, And I'm sitting on the side of
Speaker 2: the road taking a break, and I see a truck
Speaker 2: pull up and that dude hopped out and he was
Speaker 2: he said he was talking to me. He was talking
Speaker 2: about me to his wife, and his wife made him
Speaker 2: go back out to give me money and food. He
Speaker 2: ended up giving me forty dollars and like six granola bars,
Speaker 2: and he also gave me a phone number and with
Speaker 2: like tell me how far you get but I also
Speaker 2: have a trail name for you. It's old school because
Speaker 2: you have an old school way of doing things.
Speaker 3: That's cool because yeah.
Speaker 2: Exactly, I mean, I don't know, it's it's like crazy
Speaker 2: as like the applation trail can be. It's really peaceful
Speaker 2: up there because you know, you can just you wake
Speaker 2: up right and you just can look out in the sunset,
Speaker 2: see the mountains and see just like the animals and
Speaker 2: see just like in nature, and you're like, this is beautiful.
Speaker 2: I wish I was out here a lot more. And
Speaker 2: it made me realize that I wanted to get a
Speaker 2: job in nature.
Speaker 3: So that brings me to what I wanted. What I
Speaker 3: want to know from you now is now that you
Speaker 3: uh and how so you you did this right out
Speaker 3: of high school? Yeah, okay, and so that's uh, that's cool.
Speaker 3: It's a smart move, man, that's a smart move because
Speaker 3: I feel like like, right when you're eighteen and you
Speaker 3: graduate high school and maybe if you got a little
Speaker 3: if you want to go to college, then that's cool.
Speaker 3: If you got maybe you take a little bit of
Speaker 3: time after that to go and fuck around, and I
Speaker 3: feel like that's a cheap that's a fairly cheap endeavor
Speaker 3: super keep, is it not?
Speaker 2: Especially especially if you have like family that already has
Speaker 2: camping here. And just like because my grandfather he already
Speaker 2: had camping year from when he was younger, and he
Speaker 2: just gave me his old stuff. So, I mean, the
Speaker 2: trip and it only ended up cost me like four
Speaker 2: hundred dollars. Most of most of that was just food
Speaker 2: and just water purification, not much else. I didn't have
Speaker 2: to spend much money on else. I had, like I
Speaker 2: had ten I had bags, I had you know, a knife,
Speaker 2: you know, I had ever, I had, you know, a stove.
Speaker 2: I mean I had also spend someone gas you know,
Speaker 2: like like you know, gas canisters. But I mean it
Speaker 2: was a really really cheap vacation right out of high school.
Speaker 2: And I really appreciate time out there.
Speaker 3: That's cool. That's a good Uh. I like that, man.
Speaker 3: I think that's a smart that's a smart smart move
Speaker 3: to do something like that right after school. Mm hmmm,
Speaker 3: what are you? What are you gonna do now?
Speaker 2: I'm in I'm in college. I'm trying for I'm trying.
Speaker 2: I'm going on in biology. I'm like a biology major
Speaker 2: focusing on ecology. I want to get like a minimum wage,
Speaker 2: like a federal minimum wage jobs out in the wilderness,
Speaker 2: and just you know, work on trying to protect it,
Speaker 2: you know, because I want I want, I want people
Speaker 2: of further generations to be able to go out and
Speaker 2: the apple that flash it and just enjoy it and
Speaker 2: hopefully not get haunted by evil spirits.
Speaker 4: You know, God damn uh you know that's cool because
Speaker 4: like what I like about this journey is that I
Speaker 4: think the idea of going on a crazy adventure for
Speaker 4: a lot of people seems like, uh, you know, it
Speaker 4: has to be I don't know, man, like going to
Speaker 4: Europe or doing some crazy fancy explosion thing.
Speaker 3: But this is like a really neat and kind of
Speaker 3: efficient way of like putting yourself out there meeting new people,
Speaker 3: having experiences. Because you'll remember this when you're dying, you know, you'll, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: this time is spent so and you meet like.
Speaker 2: So many people, so many people in the world go there.
Speaker 2: Like I met tons of people from Germany and England,
Speaker 2: and I even met a dude from like Japan. I
Speaker 2: only had like a small conversation with him, but you know,
Speaker 2: he was still out there. There's plenty of people that
Speaker 2: loved being out there and I feel like I feel
Speaker 2: like it's out there, people are are kinder, and it
Speaker 2: really like enlightened my Like it really made me feel
Speaker 2: for other people again, because at that point, like I was,
Speaker 2: I was senior year of high school. I was really
Speaker 2: really said, really depressed. I was lonely. And once I
Speaker 2: went out there, people were nice to meet, people talk
Speaker 2: to me, people would give me food. So many people
Speaker 2: just gave me granola bars. I ended up getting the
Speaker 2: point after that trail where I had to stop eating
Speaker 2: granola bars because I was so tired of granola bars.
Speaker 3: You must have had diarrhea plenty of times. What's that
Speaker 3: like when you eat so many of those fucking five
Speaker 3: er one bars and you have the diarrhea on the
Speaker 3: in the woods. It sounds awful.
Speaker 2: I mean like you have to dig, Like you have
Speaker 2: to dig the hole you should in, right, and it
Speaker 2: has to be six it's be six inches deep, and
Speaker 2: you have to like walk far off the trail so
Speaker 2: no one like runs into it. You'll make sure that
Speaker 2: you're not in.
Speaker 3: Near water, right, what if you have diarrhea?
Speaker 2: So I actually did have diarrhea trail. I had eaten
Speaker 2: a bad freeze dried pasta mix, and uh, it was
Speaker 2: not fun because every single like an hour or so,
Speaker 2: I'd have to run off of trail and dig fiercely,
Speaker 2: like I'm digging as quick as I can in the
Speaker 2: fucking dirt to squat down and take a ship and
Speaker 2: ever it's painful. It was so painful. It was unbelievably.
Speaker 2: One of the worst experiences I've ever had is having
Speaker 2: diarrhea on trail and bad diarrhea that too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's sounds.
Speaker 2: But uh, a good thing is A good thing is
Speaker 2: is I've packed an entire role with toilet paper, but
Speaker 2: it took a little bit of cardboard out so I
Speaker 2: can make it s push down. So I never ran
Speaker 2: out of toilet paper. And that was a blessing.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, dude, what's your name again, Ivy, Ivy, that's
Speaker 3: the that's your real name, not your trail name.
Speaker 2: That it's it's it's a name I like going by.
Speaker 2: It's not my trail member. My trail name's old school old.
Speaker 3: Let me let's take a couple of questions from the chat.
Speaker 3: Does the chat of any questions?
Speaker 2: Of course? Of course I like this.
Speaker 3: Man, Thanks for telling me about this. I find it
Speaker 3: very interesting. I always I like thinking about stuff like that,
Speaker 3: cool adventures, and I always think, I mean, everyone has
Speaker 3: different things that are important to them, but like you know, adventures, experiences,
Speaker 3: meeting people, that's very important to me. And I think that,
Speaker 3: you know, I like hearing about your experience. I like
Speaker 3: caring about how cheap it is because I think, you know,
Speaker 3: hopefully it like inspires other people to want to do
Speaker 3: something like that, even if they feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: something like that is outside of their their reach. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: how was the hike back?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: So I hiked from the beginning in Georgia, also through
Speaker 2: the Approach Trail and into North Carolina to the NFC.
Speaker 2: And I didn't drive. I didn't, I was my grandfather
Speaker 2: picked me up because there was no way I was
Speaker 2: going to hike one hundred and sixty miles back to
Speaker 2: where I was going.
Speaker 3: No, I'd see. Let's see if let me say one question,
Speaker 3: what would you say, is the absolute strangest thing that
Speaker 3: you encountered? Is it? Did you encounter anything stranger than that?
Speaker 3: Guys seeing skin walkers? I?
Speaker 2: No, not really. There was bears. I never saw a
Speaker 2: bear in person, but I saw a lot of bear poop.
Speaker 2: And I would hear about this bear because there's this
Speaker 2: fifteen mile section in North Carolina on standing Indian mountains
Speaker 2: right where there was this big bear and they called
Speaker 2: him Omar because he's a big bear. Like, are you
Speaker 2: familiar with the wire? You know Omar from the wire? No? Okay,
Speaker 2: Omar like he was. He fucked a lot of shit up,
Speaker 2: He stole a lot of shit. And this bear, in particular,
Speaker 2: he was smart. And he would go to these campers
Speaker 2: who would like have their food stored improperly, and he
Speaker 2: would just eat their shit like he was eating everything.
Speaker 2: And normally with bears in their poop you see seeds, right,
Speaker 2: because you know they eat fruit and stuff nothing nothing,
Speaker 2: you see plastic wrappers. And he would ship on trail
Speaker 2: and I think that made me very very like conscious
Speaker 2: of having safe like putting your food safely away. This
Speaker 2: is very very important if anyone is going out in
Speaker 2: the wilderness, especially in bear territory, make sure to hang
Speaker 2: your food.
Speaker 3: I mean, throughout history, bears have been portrayed to us
Speaker 3: as as gentle folks. There's the bear in the Big
Speaker 3: Blue House. There's brother Bear. There's what's his name, Yogi Bear.
Speaker 3: I'm not I mean, I was gonna see how long
Speaker 3: I can name bears for.
Speaker 2: Of course that's it.
Speaker 3: Uh that said, I only know four bears. Go ahead, all.
Speaker 2: Right, you know what? Yo be the bear he stole
Speaker 2: picnic bass.
Speaker 3: But he never killed people.
Speaker 2: He never killed people. And bears don't normally kill people.
Speaker 2: I mean, at least black bears. Black bears, which are
Speaker 2: normally a lot on the applation trails, they don't kill people.
Speaker 2: I mean, as long as you're not messing with their
Speaker 2: like you're not messing with the like a mother's cubs,
Speaker 2: you're fine. As long as you hang your fine.
Speaker 3: Real quick somebody real quick, as somebody in the chat
Speaker 3: said Scooby doo. But I don't think he's a bear.
Speaker 2: I think he's I think he's a dog maybe.
Speaker 3: I mean think, is there anything else you want to
Speaker 3: say to the people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 2: Yes, if you want to do something in your life,
Speaker 2: make steps to that goal. Because the appalation trail, I
Speaker 2: had planned that for months, and I had gotten help
Speaker 2: from the internet for my grandfather, from my mother. You
Speaker 2: talk to you, you talk to other people. You build slowly.
Speaker 2: Because I wasn't just like, oh, I'm going on at
Speaker 2: the trail, like right after graduation. I've been playing it
Speaker 2: for months. I was working up and saving it money
Speaker 2: for it. I was getting every single bit of food.
Speaker 2: I was getting everything I needed. So the best thing
Speaker 2: to do is it's a slow process. It's an annoying process.
Speaker 2: But once you get there and you're standing on top
Speaker 2: of a mountain and you see the Eagles and the
Speaker 2: Hawks circle below you, you realize it's worth it.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for calling Ivy.
Speaker 2: I love you and have a wonderful Thanksgiving, even though
Speaker 2: you're not big on holidays.
Speaker 3: Hey, you know what. Thank you for that. You know what?
Speaker 3: You have a wonderful Thanksgiving too. I'm you know what
Speaker 3: you've inspired me. If you've you've inspired the people of
Speaker 3: the who are listening. So I want to take a
Speaker 3: step towards a thing they want to do in life.
Speaker 3: And you've inspired me to spend at least sixty more
Speaker 3: seconds after this phone call trying to think of different bears.
Speaker 2: Of course, best of luck to you on those that bear.
Speaker 2: Remember cocaine bear. That's another start.
Speaker 3: And start me off on a good one. Thank you, Avy,
Speaker 3: Best of luck to you.
Speaker 2: Too, Best of luck to you too, man.
Speaker 3: Bye, I liked that call. That was a was a
Speaker 3: cool guy. Just just real quick. Uh uh, there's the bear.
Speaker 3: I know I'm cheating a little bit. I just googled bears.
Speaker 3: There's the bear from Open Season. He's a bear. There's
Speaker 3: the bear from Brickleberry. There's kung Fu Panda. That's that
Speaker 3: counts Panda bears norm from the North. That's a good bear.
Speaker 3: Oh Paddington Bear? How do not forget Paddington Bear? Oh
Speaker 3: the country bear, Jamboree? Any other bears? I think? Why
Speaker 3: is Huckleberry hound on here? That's what people. This is
Speaker 3: the second time somebody's confused a dog for a bear.
Speaker 3: Thanks for calling Ivy we I'm gonna try to call
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Speaker 3: I'm good, says here. Your name is Ethan. You are
Speaker 3: from Denmark. For those who are for those who are
Speaker 3: listening on the podcast, I just put ten dollars of
Speaker 3: credit into Google Voice so I could make this call
Speaker 3: to Ethan, and it's going to cost about two cents
Speaker 3: per minute. I don't know why I included that information,
Speaker 3: but I felt like it was important to know that
Speaker 3: I am financially committed to talking to people from Denmark.
Speaker 3: You said, hi, Ghak, my name is Ethan, I'm from
Speaker 3: Denmark and I might be a psychopath. Is that accurate?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3: Uh, what's what's going on? Ethan? Tell me? Tell me
Speaker 3: what's up?
Speaker 7: Well? You know, people say sometimes they don't think, like
Speaker 7: they can't feel as much, you know, but I honestly
Speaker 7: don't think I feel I hold you right, I'm twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: One, okay, and you feel like you don't feel.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like I don't have like sympathy for people. And
Speaker 7: I heard like you were in a podcast unlike Spotify.
Speaker 7: You were like watching some Brueto Brueto ship on, like
Speaker 7: those leaking websites of.
Speaker 6: People like dying. Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 7: And I just just don't feel anything. It's like sympathy
Speaker 7: for it.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, let's okay, let's start deep, because I
Speaker 3: mean it's one thing you know people you don't know.
Speaker 3: But let's start like, do you do your parents?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: No, I don't. That's might be the problem.
Speaker 3: Okay, do you have any friends?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I have like three, like friends.
Speaker 3: How long you've been friends with your with your three friends.
Speaker 7: I'd say like ten years.
Speaker 3: You do you enjoy their company and friendship?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like I have to like be with my friends
Speaker 7: or or else I can't like function.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Would you not classify that as a feeling? Nne.
Speaker 7: Sometimes people have some feelings, but like it's just the
Speaker 7: main feeling, like the family oriented, the the girl friends, boyfriends,
Speaker 7: the vibing. I just I don't. I don't have anything
Speaker 7: like that, you know, Like the only thing the only
Speaker 7: thing like making me when I wake up is like
Speaker 7: like just nicotine, beer and my friends.
Speaker 3: I mean, look those three things. That sounds pretty awesome.
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't beat yourself up? That too bad? But
Speaker 3: m do you have a job? Yeah, what do you do?
Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm driving, like so, I just listened to
Speaker 7: your like podcast on podcast on there spite High pretty
Speaker 7: much like I'm alone, but I like it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess what I mean. Look, obviously, being like
Speaker 3: addicted to alcohol and cigarettes is not great. But I
Speaker 3: guess what I'm what I'm curious about is I'm gonna Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make an observation after having talked to you
Speaker 3: for only four minutes. But it's a gut feeling that
Speaker 3: I'm having right now. And it's a normal thing and
Speaker 3: I do it too, and I think everyone does it.
Speaker 3: Are you like comparing yourself to some fantasy version of
Speaker 3: yourself that doesn't exist? That's like, you know, married with
Speaker 3: a family, and you know is about like saving the
Speaker 3: dogs and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: Mm yeah, I think I like, I want to have
Speaker 7: a family like that. I do family, house, dog, kid's wife.
Speaker 7: But I just just I just don't have the feelings
Speaker 7: like the what do you say capacity to like do that?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I I.
Speaker 3: Nothing you've told me so far indicates to me that
Speaker 3: you don't have feelings.
Speaker 7: Well, of course you have some feelings, but there's just
Speaker 7: like I think I am, I'm like missing key feelings
Speaker 7: for like having a a life like a normal person.
Speaker 3: What's your idea of a normal person?
Speaker 7: M m hmm, Like just like a random nine to
Speaker 7: five job and just a normal family, house, talk, wife, kids, everything.
Speaker 3: I mean, I have a few thoughts about this stuff. Uh,
Speaker 3: I think, Well, I think you're pretty young, first of all,
Speaker 3: for you know a wife and children and a dog.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I'm like that whole life. Like four years,
Speaker 7: I've been trying to like have a stable relationship, but
Speaker 7: it's it's just boring and I I just end up
Speaker 7: don't caring about them or anything.
Speaker 3: Why Why is that so? How many? How many times?
Speaker 8: Mm hmm?
Speaker 3: How many times have you been in a relationship that
Speaker 3: failed because you just realized you didn't care that much
Speaker 3: about the other person?
Speaker 7: Four? I think?
Speaker 3: Okay, where'd you meet these people? Tell me? Tell me,
Speaker 3: give me, give me the most recent person. Tell me
Speaker 3: about your most recent relationship, how it went down, how
Speaker 3: you met them? Who they are?
Speaker 7: Wo went to like just what you would like to
Speaker 7: make us high school meetting class just hung out like
Speaker 7: to of course, in the study was just like a
Speaker 7: like you she hit.
Speaker 6: You know, but then you meet again and again.
Speaker 7: And again and it just end up like catching feelings.
Speaker 3: Hold on, so you you you caught feelings?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess, but it's I don't if that's the problem.
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's feelings. Well, if it's just
Speaker 7: the need of like having someone to like like a
Speaker 7: comfort in life.
Speaker 6: Maybe that's what I'm missing.
Speaker 3: Is when you say, like, I mean catching feelings, is
Speaker 3: it like is it like a pure lust thing or
Speaker 3: is it just a pure like I need a girlfriend
Speaker 3: to check off the checklist of of of life.
Speaker 6: I think it's more of like who else I'm I
Speaker 6: gonna like.
Speaker 8: Say, just all the random things too, someone I can
Speaker 8: when I feel like lonely, it can just be there.
Speaker 7: Mhm. And it's like a safety thing, I think. M h.
Speaker 3: These all sound like I okay, if we could take
Speaker 3: a step back for like what's your name again? Either,
Speaker 3: if we could take a step back for like a second, yeah,
Speaker 3: just you you you texted me you started off this
Speaker 3: phone call by saying that you were a psychopath.
Speaker 7: But it's like the feelings, I'm not like, like you know,
Speaker 7: the TV psychopaths killing like Patrick Bateman.
Speaker 6: It's just.
Speaker 7: I think there's any ways you can be a psychopaths
Speaker 7: like psychopath.
Speaker 3: Maybe I just don't. I just and again, I don't know.
Speaker 3: You know, I've only been talking to you for ten minutes,
Speaker 3: but I just I don't know if you need to
Speaker 3: be walking I just I don't think that because you
Speaker 3: haven't had a successful relationship by the age of two.
Speaker 3: I don't think because you haven't had a successful relationship
Speaker 3: and the kids and a dog by the age of
Speaker 3: twenty one, that you got to be walking around with
Speaker 3: this like belief that you are a psychopath. So that's
Speaker 3: a little strong.
Speaker 6: It's not just like the girlfriends.
Speaker 3: Okay, and tell me about something that has something to
Speaker 3: do with that that you think makes you a psychopath.
Speaker 7: Well, since I have like no parents like I had
Speaker 7: like these, but you could like categorize as like a
Speaker 7: step step family. Yeah, and they already have had kids,
Speaker 7: like they have two kids, and they were all, you know,
Speaker 7: every Friday night, they were like having fun, playing some
Speaker 7: card games or whatever, and I was just never there.
Speaker 7: It was just I just didn't care like that they
Speaker 7: were they were I don't know, tell me.
Speaker 3: About what you're god, you know, go ahead, keep going.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I just don't know where you know, they
Speaker 7: had they had a healthy relationship with each other, and
Speaker 7: I was like, never there.
Speaker 6: I just didn't care. I was out late.
Speaker 7: Night, it just walking. It's just I feel like I'm
Speaker 7: missing some key feelings in life.
Speaker 3: Okay, what about your friends? Like you you said to me,
Speaker 3: you said to me, you said, I one of the
Speaker 3: like if I couldn't be around my friends, I couldn't function.
Speaker 3: So you you're not like a complete You're not like,
Speaker 3: you know, sitting at home microwaving hamsters all day. You know,
Speaker 3: you you hang out with people who are your.
Speaker 6: Friends just friends. I don't know, whatelse what do you mean?
Speaker 3: I guess I get.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: I I'm thinking about this because I feel like I've
Speaker 3: had similar feelings before of like looking at the world
Speaker 3: around me and like looking at you know, quote normal
Speaker 3: people and being like, I don't feel a strong you know,
Speaker 3: comparing myself to other people and and their relationships and
Speaker 3: how they live their life, and thinking about myself like, oh,
Speaker 3: why is that not appealing to me? There must be
Speaker 3: something wrong with me. But I I don't think that
Speaker 3: that makes you necessarily a psychopath. Again, I think it's
Speaker 3: a strong I know it's I know it's I know that,
Speaker 3: I know it's your face favorite word. I know you
Speaker 3: love that word. But I think it's strong.
Speaker 7: They've used it, like.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't categorize myself as a psychopath, So I just
Speaker 7: don't know what it's like else to call it like.
Speaker 6: The odd one out.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But you have but but you have friends. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: I guess like not every person is going to be
Speaker 3: appealing to you to hang out with, Not every social
Speaker 3: situation is going to be appealing to you. But I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 7: It's not like I'm social awkward or anything like I'm
Speaker 7: right open, right, But I think it's it might just
Speaker 7: be fake.
Speaker 3: You know what do you mean fake?
Speaker 7: Like I'm not open, I'm very like I'm shy, and
Speaker 7: I don't talk as much when there is people I
Speaker 7: do because I want to like seem like like normal,
Speaker 7: normal teenager. I like I'm trying to be someone I'm
Speaker 7: not right because.
Speaker 3: You haven't there, because because you have this idea, you
Speaker 3: keep bringing it up of a normal part of a
Speaker 3: normal human being, and I'm not, by the way, I'm
Speaker 3: not fucking I'm not bullshitting you, right, I've had that
Speaker 3: same thoughts about myself, like when like I've been there before.
Speaker 3: I've had like, oh, there's a like normal human being
Speaker 3: who like wants to, you know, do these things or
Speaker 3: hang out with these people or do these things. Like
Speaker 3: I have in my head of like what a normal
Speaker 3: human beit fucking being is, And throughout my life been like, oh,
Speaker 3: why do I not feel like a normal person? But
Speaker 3: you're just I don't. The more of like gotten older
Speaker 3: and like reflected on that, the more I'm just like,
Speaker 3: I don't think there is a normal human being. I
Speaker 3: don't think that there is like some standard of a
Speaker 3: way to live life that we all must align ourselves
Speaker 3: with or else we are evil and wrong and psychopathic.
Speaker 3: And I think that it takes it takes a little
Speaker 3: while to truly internalize that, but I I think you
Speaker 3: gotta dispel that belief because it's not it's based on nothing,
Speaker 3: do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 6: Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just funny. I mean to put it simply,
Speaker 3: it's just comparing yourself to other people, which is like
Speaker 3: the number one the way to hate yourself all the time.
Speaker 6: But everyone.
Speaker 7: Ha's like met like opened up to say the same thing,
Speaker 7: and it's just not working.
Speaker 6: And everybody, what.
Speaker 3: Do you hold on? What everyone you've opened up to
Speaker 3: about this says the same thing? What do they say?
Speaker 3: Did they say what I just said?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: No, no, they just say to like talk to like therapy,
Speaker 7: real real therapy.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you should do that too. That's that's a
Speaker 3: good idea, guy.
Speaker 7: But I honestly like just a podcast helps more than
Speaker 7: like the real real thing.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 7: But it's it's it's everyone has it says like go
Speaker 7: to therapy, and I've been there, but just doesn't do anything.
Speaker 3: What do they tell you in therapy?
Speaker 6: That's the thing.
Speaker 7: I don't think I get anything out of it.
Speaker 3: What did they tell you about that?
Speaker 7: Mm hmm? Like they tell me, they'll tell me it's
Speaker 7: like important to like like speak when I feel.
Speaker 6: Instead of keeping it.
Speaker 3: In, you know, But I just don't to speak when
Speaker 3: you feel.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So like when I feel when I feel something,
Speaker 7: I have to like show it, express it. I don't know,
Speaker 7: crying or something.
Speaker 3: I can see why that'd be helpful, yeah for sure.
Speaker 6: But it's I just can't. I don't know.
Speaker 7: I know, last time I cried. It was in February
Speaker 7: two thousand and m So it's like I'm a clocked
Speaker 7: or something. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think continuing the Cereal Therapist is good,
Speaker 3: but I don't know, Man, If you get anything out
Speaker 3: of this conversation, I hope it's just the understanding that
Speaker 3: like there's no I mean, you can really fuck you
Speaker 3: can just really fuck yourself a lot by holding yourself
Speaker 3: to imaginary benchmarks of normalcy that are established by no
Speaker 3: particularly compelling authority.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're you're you're the only authority on your
Speaker 3: own life and your own benchmarks and not And that's
Speaker 3: and that's that's, by the way, that fucking sacred. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's like that, that's like the thing that you get
Speaker 3: to have as a that's like your birthright as a
Speaker 3: human being, is that you get to set the own
Speaker 3: benchmarks for your life of how you want to be
Speaker 3: and exist in the world. Never give that up, ever,
Speaker 3: to some idea of normalcy. Okay, but I.
Speaker 6: Just think I want the normal thing.
Speaker 3: Well then then then go then then then what's the problem.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know that.
Speaker 7: I mean just like I'm not there. I'm just I'm
Speaker 7: just not ready for anything, and I don't think I'm
Speaker 7: going to be ready ever for like having anything to
Speaker 7: do with a real relationship, because it just gets boiling,
Speaker 7: even even though I'm very attached.
Speaker 3: Well, if it gets well, if it gets boring, then
Speaker 3: why do you want it?
Speaker 7: I don't know, that's what I'm saying. I think it's
Speaker 7: a safety thing I need to feel. I just I
Speaker 7: think I like the feeling when people need me like
Speaker 7: some some sort of like power, like I have the
Speaker 7: power over someone.
Speaker 3: Well, that's a terrible reason to get into a relationship.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: Uh Ethan Ethan Ethan. By the way, Denmark has the
Speaker 3: best fucking seven elevens in the whole world. There's this
Speaker 3: honey chicken. Do you live near a seven eleven?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just went in this to see bro.
Speaker 3: The seven elevens in Denmark are awesome. They have this
Speaker 3: like honey chicken skewer thing. They have this like meat
Speaker 3: pie sausage thing with ketchup. It's so good.
Speaker 6: When have you been to Denmark?
Speaker 3: I mean I've been to Denmark twice. Do you live
Speaker 3: in Copenhagen?
Speaker 7: No, I live in like like the complete outher side.
Speaker 6: It's umble, it's up up, all down. I don't know.
Speaker 3: See if I, if I, if I lived in Denmark,
Speaker 3: whenever I got the pressed, I would just go to
Speaker 3: seven eleven and just binge would be sick. It's boring, Ethan.
Speaker 3: I look, first of all, I hope you got some
Speaker 3: semblance of something out of this phone call.
Speaker 7: But of course.
Speaker 3: Don't. Don't. Don't be so fast to write yourself off,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't. I don't think that's I don't
Speaker 3: think it's logical for you to do that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I might not might not be healthy.
Speaker 3: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 3: people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 7: Ye would just take care and it's it's been a
Speaker 7: honor talking.
Speaker 3: To hey man, it's a bit of honor talking to
Speaker 3: you too. I still, I still think it's crazy to
Speaker 3: me that like people in Denmark, people in like a
Speaker 3: random place in Denmark are listening to my stupid Gecko podcast.
Speaker 3: I think that's sick. So you know, it's an honor
Speaker 3: to talk to you too.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 7: Oh, they have many you have many listeners and Spotify,
Speaker 7: don't you.
Speaker 6: Way more?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 3: I guess well, I did a show in Denmark. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you were there Copenhagen. Sounds like it's
Speaker 3: far from you, but yeah, cool. So thanks for listening
Speaker 3: to my stupid thing. And I hope that you stop
Speaker 3: thinking you're a psychopath.
Speaker 6: Yeah I don't. I don't know what to think, but
Speaker 6: thank you. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 3: Take care of Ethan, you too, I think that. Well,
Speaker 3: actually i'll say this, I'll say this too, and this
Speaker 3: is I didn't. I didn't. I didn't touch on anything
Speaker 3: cultural in that phone call. But every where I went
Speaker 3: in Scandinavia. I did a tour of doing my live
Speaker 3: show in Europe this summer, and everywhere I went in
Speaker 3: Scandinavia before I did my show, somebody told me. They
Speaker 3: were like, don't be surprised if nobody laughs or talks
Speaker 3: or says anything, because the people in Scandinavia are known
Speaker 3: for having no emotions. So I don't know. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: a cultural thing, but but I guess, I guess comparing
Speaker 3: yourself to other people, I guess that's a universal thing,
Speaker 3: or comparing yourself to like some standard of normalcy. You
Speaker 3: know what else is funny on this podcast is like
Speaker 3: I'm always telling people to do every every time, I
Speaker 3: just I want to make this clear so that people
Speaker 3: don't think that I'm awesome all the time. Like anytime
Speaker 3: I you know, am like saying these things to people,
Speaker 3: I'm really I really just feel like I'm reinforcing them
Speaker 3: to myself, you know. I mean, I'm over here, I'm like,
Speaker 3: why don't I Why do I have this weird life?
Speaker 3: Why do I have to, like, you know, go do
Speaker 3: a bunch of weird stuff with my life instead of
Speaker 3: just like having a normal, you know, existence. But that's
Speaker 3: not there's no I meant what I said. I don't
Speaker 3: think that there's some imaginary fucking benchmark of how life
Speaker 3: should be lived. And I do. I do think that's
Speaker 3: a sacred thing. And I do think that the honey
Speaker 3: chicken from seven to eleven is the best food in
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Speaker 5: Oh shit, Hello, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing all right? How are you?
Speaker 5: Honestly I don't know for even some friendships. And my
Speaker 5: main text message or the text message, the text message
Speaker 5: I sent you was about my lawsuit. So I guess
Speaker 5: I'll talk about that.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm nervous, No, no worries. What says here that
Speaker 3: your name is Kylie and you are quote in a
Speaker 3: stupid lawsuit situation over quote a dumb ass hat. What
Speaker 3: do you do you mean a dumb ass hat or
Speaker 3: a dumb ass hat.
Speaker 5: Uh, it's a work hat. To be specific, I have
Speaker 5: a medical condition. It's an auto amine disorder called chronic earthticaria.
Speaker 5: So I'm allergic to my sweat and like a lot
Speaker 5: of parts of myself, which really sucks. So anyway, I
Speaker 5: was working at our local university here, and anyway, I
Speaker 5: was there for six years, and uh, this one lady
Speaker 5: ended up getting promoted, and I actually did a lot
Speaker 5: of her dishes because I was a dishwasher. So anyway,
Speaker 5: she got promoted, and so I hadn't been wearing a hat. Sorry,
Speaker 5: it's hard to explain. I hadn't been wearing a hat
Speaker 5: for like a year or so. Plenty of managers and
Speaker 5: other employees were also not wearing hats, so like it
Speaker 5: was never an issue. And so when this woman got promoted,
Speaker 5: she noticed I wasn't wearing a hat and brought me
Speaker 5: up to HR. And anyway, they asked me to get
Speaker 5: a doctor's note basically stating that I couldn't wear a hat,
Speaker 5: and I got it. I got that doctor's note. In
Speaker 5: that doctor's note got me fired.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry if you said this already, But can
Speaker 3: I ask where where do you work? What is this place?
Speaker 5: It was the Universe or at the university? Sorry I
Speaker 5: should have specified it's called campus dining. I won't say
Speaker 5: where exactly.
Speaker 3: But yeah, when you say when you say a hat,
Speaker 3: do you mean like when you because you said campus dining.
Speaker 3: This isn't something where like you're working with food and
Speaker 3: you need like a hair tie, right, This is just
Speaker 3: like a cosmetic hat.
Speaker 5: Uh, it's it's a uniform hat. Yeah, chat saying yeah,
Speaker 5: So I basically denied. I denied putting the hat on
Speaker 5: basically because you know, for like a year or so here,
Speaker 5: I am thinking it's okay to not wear a hat,
Speaker 5: you know, and there's there's many managers and employees who
Speaker 5: are working alongside me, you know, serving the students' food
Speaker 5: and all that, and so anyway, A it's really funny.
Speaker 5: Hr they gave me unrealistic options. They I don't know,
Speaker 5: like one option was straight aus like fifty miles away
Speaker 5: from me, so that would mean I would have to
Speaker 5: you know, move away. So I don't know. It's just
Speaker 5: it's a really stupid situation. And my court date is
Speaker 5: what three three weeks from now, and I'm confused.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm confused. For a second, are you suing
Speaker 3: them or are they suing you?
Speaker 5: Oh? No, I'm suing them because essentially I was fired
Speaker 5: over a medical condition. Again, they asked me. They asked
Speaker 5: me for a doctor's note, and I got them that note,
Speaker 5: and they are trying to say that I quit, but
Speaker 5: in reality, they put me against you know, a hard place,
Speaker 5: or you know, a rock between a rock and a
Speaker 5: hard place essentially, So I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Do you think you're gonna win this lawsuit? Have you
Speaker 3: talked to your Does your lawyer think you're gonna win?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: He thinks I have a pretty good case, which is
Speaker 5: reassuring to a degree. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've never on the I'll say this on the bright side,
Speaker 3: your you, I assume would are going to win if
Speaker 3: if your lawyer's right, and you do have a good case,
Speaker 3: I assume that you're going to uh procure much more
Speaker 3: money than you would have procured had they had they.
Speaker 5: Not fired you, right, right, Yeah, And my lawyer and
Speaker 5: I we've we've done a lot of the calculations. Again,
Speaker 5: it's been about two years, and I've lost uh I'm
Speaker 5: not too sure how many thousands of dollars, but yeah,
Speaker 5: maybe thirty to forty thousand dollars so far.
Speaker 3: So okay, that's another thing. I was going to ask you,
Speaker 3: how much money in legal fee you're you're spending like
Speaker 3: forty thousand dollars at legal fees over the past two
Speaker 3: years to sue this, to sue this company.
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, I didn't mean that, Sorry, I
Speaker 5: just mean, like the the amount of money that I've
Speaker 5: lost from losing that job.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, damages. Yeah, that's that's forty thousand dollars over
Speaker 3: the course how many years, Well.
Speaker 5: It's almost been two years almost, so it's probably gone
Speaker 5: up by now. But yeah, and my lawyer was about
Speaker 5: one thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so I let me ask you that this
Speaker 3: happened two years ago, what have you been doing in
Speaker 3: the meantime?
Speaker 5: Right, So, so since they fired me, they tried to
Speaker 5: make it sound like I quit, So I was denied
Speaker 5: my unemployment for six seven months. So I was working
Speaker 5: with my dad mostly just trying to get by. And
Speaker 5: I'm still trying to pay off my invisil line, which
Speaker 5: is hard. So it was hard trying to keep up
Speaker 5: with that though. And uh so anyway, earlier this year,
Speaker 5: I plied at a grocery store. So that's about it,
Speaker 5: trying to get by.
Speaker 3: I'm curious just and like, so this thing makes you
Speaker 3: allergic to your own sweats.
Speaker 5: Right, It's it's stupid. And what made me what got
Speaker 5: my attention was I started breaking out in hives in
Speaker 5: the shower from the heat. So I think it's like, uh,
Speaker 5: I don't know, there's there's something in the sweat. Supposedly
Speaker 5: it's a it's like a protein. Not entirely sure, but
Speaker 5: I never had this growing up. It kind of came about,
Speaker 5: I don't know, six or seven years ago after a
Speaker 5: super stressful situation. So I think it's genetic. And uh,
Speaker 5: I guess mostly women get it. I'm sure men.
Speaker 3: Are you? Are there any other like so like you
Speaker 3: you see it? You're you said you're allergic to other
Speaker 3: like parts of your body.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm allergic to my not I'm allergic to
Speaker 5: my bit. I'm allergic to my tears.
Speaker 3: Wait, you're allergic to How does that? Like when? How
Speaker 3: do the allergies manifest themselves? Like do you just swell
Speaker 3: up when you cry?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: My eyes just get really itchy, like my whole face.
Speaker 5: Actually it goes away though, Like it's mostly just discomfort,
Speaker 5: Like it's not life threatening or anything like that. But
Speaker 5: that's the.
Speaker 3: Fucking kicking the ass that like something happens to make
Speaker 3: you sad and then you're you get double you get
Speaker 3: double sad.
Speaker 5: No exactly, It's like, come on now, I don't want
Speaker 5: to be like ope, shit, yeah, at least.
Speaker 3: The at least I hope I hope in those moments
Speaker 3: that the physical pain takes away from the emotional pain.
Speaker 3: That's the you know, last half full way of looking
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, So it's just been really stressful. Like I
Speaker 5: actually gained like fifty fifty pounds because of the stress.
Speaker 5: And I think that it's also because of the anti
Speaker 5: de press that I'm on as well though, So, but stress,
Speaker 5: stress is so bad for us, Like just seeing how
Speaker 5: it's affected me, I don't know, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 3: How how far do you think you are from settling
Speaker 3: your lawsuit?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 5: Well, our court date is November fifteenth, so fingers crossed
Speaker 5: that the jury is on my side.
Speaker 3: You're gonna whip up some tears?
Speaker 5: Oh I hope not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a see that's a double edged sword too.
Speaker 3: Is that you can't you know, you can't use your
Speaker 3: tears to compel a jury in a fourth case?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's sucks sing allergic to your own fucking tears, dude,
Speaker 5: It's it's not fun.
Speaker 3: So what's your name again?
Speaker 6: It's Kylie?
Speaker 5: Like Kylie?
Speaker 3: Well, Kylie? Before we go? Is anything I feel like
Speaker 3: we've only talked about the pressing things. I do want
Speaker 3: to know if anything good is going on in your life.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much. I appreciate that. And right back
Speaker 5: at you. I'm a DJ. I just try to work
Speaker 5: on music and I don't know, I'm just trying to
Speaker 5: win this lawsuit and just yeah, just trying to focus
Speaker 5: on the good and mostly just music.
Speaker 3: So I have a great deal of respect for you
Speaker 3: being a DJ, because I feel as though a nightclub
Speaker 3: is a terrible place for a person allergic to their
Speaker 3: own sweat to be.
Speaker 5: Tell me about it, suck.
Speaker 6: Oh that's so funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you got you.
Speaker 3: Got to attach some some fans to your deck.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no kidding, I explain, need to invest in one
Speaker 5: of those like neck fans that you see people at
Speaker 5: festivals during.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's cool, that's cool. I'm just glad. I'm
Speaker 3: glad this lawsuit's not like, uh, you know, in all
Speaker 3: encompassing every thought that you have in your brain and
Speaker 3: you're actually exerting some time and energy to a thing
Speaker 3: that's exciting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's it's hard, man. Yeah, I guess just trying
Speaker 5: to be mindful and meditation is good because the more
Speaker 5: we the more I ruminate. I can tell like even
Speaker 5: my my skin symptoms start to act up. So it's
Speaker 5: like I have to kind of not let stress take
Speaker 5: over me.
Speaker 3: Are you playing any gigs anytime soon?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 7: Not, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I had a couple of gigs actually here at our
Speaker 5: local beach. But yeah, I think I've had quite a
Speaker 5: few in the last months. So I need a break.
Speaker 3: If you win your core, if you win your court case,
Speaker 3: you can have a little you can throw a little
Speaker 3: party exactly.
Speaker 5: No, that's my goal. I actually really want to be
Speaker 5: I mean some people think it's silly, but I really
Speaker 5: want to be a promoter. Like the town I'm in,
Speaker 5: we don't really have a good music scene like we do.
Speaker 3: But what sound is it? Oh?
Speaker 5: Like the music scene A lot of it's just tech house.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, that what what what's what town?
Speaker 5: Oh? Sam Luis Obispo.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know what you just said. So the
Speaker 3: tracks that we don't have a good music scene there.
Speaker 5: It's a it's right in between San Francisco and the way.
Speaker 3: That you just said it. Actually that sounded kind of
Speaker 3: like a DJ beat. Santa Benevis is Yeah, Santa nas
Speaker 3: is gay?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your nick? Kylie?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Kylie? Is anything else gonna say to the people of
Speaker 3: the computer before we go.
Speaker 5: Big up love you guys. I don't know, yeah, big
Speaker 5: up chat gak blessed.
Speaker 3: I will I will manifest you winning this lawsuit. I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know if I'm one for manifestation,
Speaker 3: but god, I'll try anything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you never know, you never know. Oh, take care, Kyley,
Speaker 5: Yeah you too.
Speaker 2: Bye.
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