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Speaker 1: All from Ivy.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hey are you ghek?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Who are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm Ivy.

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Speaker 3: It's nice to meet what's hey? Nice to meet you too, man.

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Nothing much?

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for Thanksgiving? Are you excited for Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's a little bit depressing, but like,

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Speaker 3: I don't care that much about holidays. I like, I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you this. I like seasons. I don't care about days.

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Speaker 3: Days are stupid, but seasons are nice. And I enjoy

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Speaker 3: November and December. I enjoy Christmas lights. I enjoy the

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Speaker 3: Halloween season, you know. I mean with the holiday season

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Speaker 3: is October to December. There's not really any other like

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Speaker 3: holidays outside of that time. And there's Valentine's Day and

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Speaker 3: the fourth of July. I guess, But you know, I

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Speaker 3: don't know why. As I get older, holidays matter to

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Speaker 3: me less and less. I think they'll continue to not

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Speaker 3: matter until I have kids, if I ever have kids,

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Speaker 3: and then you kind of like, yeah, then I feel

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Speaker 3: like at that point, you you like vicariously relieve the

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Speaker 3: magic of the holidays through them. But until then, it's

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Speaker 3: like I don't care about you know, It's like I

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Speaker 3: don't know I am. I'm thinking. I think I'm just

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Speaker 3: trying to sound cool right now. What's up with you? Ivy?

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Speaker 4: What are you?

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Speaker 3: What's talk about?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: Well? Fuck it? Why are you excited for for Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 3: What do you like about it?

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for food. But I called you specifically because

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Speaker 2: I wanted to tell you about my time on the

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Speaker 2: appalach Trail and how you specifically pushed me through it.

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Speaker 3: I get the fuck out of here. I was in.

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 3: I hiked the Appalation Trail.

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Speaker 6: Oh shit.

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Speaker 3: Really, I hiked not the whole thing, maybe like thirty

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Speaker 3: miles when I was in seventh grade.

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Speaker 6: That's dope.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 2: I didn't hike the whole thing either. I hiked about

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Speaker 2: like one hundred and sixty miles of it. But you

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Speaker 2: you helped me a lot. Because I don't have I

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Speaker 2: don't have Spotify Premium, but I do have Spotify and

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Speaker 2: they let you download podcast. I was like out in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the wilderness and like the only my

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Speaker 2: only company for a huge period of time, which just

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Speaker 2: you and the wacky people who's on your street. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it was it was, it was. It

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Speaker 2: was nice. It was nice, like because I had never

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Speaker 2: like listened to you before, and I was just like

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Speaker 2: out on like a wind was like, yeah, let's let's

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Speaker 2: download this guy's stream. And I don't know, I loved it,

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Speaker 2: and I was I was just calling to tell you

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Speaker 2: about some experiences I had out there.

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Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this. So you went, if

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Speaker 3: I was the only if I was your only friend

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Speaker 3: on the road, who was Uh? Were you just by yourself?

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Speaker 2: I was just by myself. I graduated high school like

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Speaker 2: three weeks. It wasn't too long.

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Speaker 3: Cool. Cool, Yeah, let's hear some stories.

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Speaker 2: So, uh, you know, the Appalation Trail is one of

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Speaker 2: the most heavily traveled like like trails in the entire world. Right,

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Speaker 2: But there's like huge long periods of time where you

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Speaker 2: like the crazier he got. So whenever we first meet,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's just like, hey, what kind of fear

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Speaker 2: do you have? You know, why are you out here?

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Speaker 2: He's like my dad died recently. I'm just hiking the

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Speaker 2: trail because I want to get, you know, closer to him.

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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that's cool, that's cool. You know,

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Speaker 2: And he's like, no, I'm high on mushrooms. Man, I've

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Speaker 2: I'm like I'm like, oh, I mean, I get it.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's it's you're nice in nature, you know,

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Speaker 2: doing mushroom? And he's like, no, no, because I quit

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Speaker 2: His first thought after that is like, I wish I died.

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Speaker 2: And after that he's like, I can't do this anymore.

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Speaker 2: Trail and I'm going to do mushrooms the.

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Speaker 3: Entire time, and yeah, go ahead, keep going.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I was just like, okay, I mean,

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Speaker 2: But like that like had voice and he's like how

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Speaker 2: didn't see anything. I didn't hear anything. But what if

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Speaker 2: he was what if he was running?

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Speaker 2: A skin walker? What if he saw a skin walker

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Speaker 2: Native American like legends of like the appellations, like the

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Speaker 2: skin walkers are like the spirits that live in there,

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Speaker 3: He saw like the blair Witch.

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Speaker 2: I mean maybe I don't know, maybe he was seeing

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Speaker 2: the blair Witch, but I didn't see the blair Witch.

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Speaker 4: Wait.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, you're saying that this guy

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Speaker 3: who's been taking mushrooms for two weeks is hallucinating.

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Speaker 2: I mean probably, I mean I know, I'm thinking way

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Speaker 2: thought that there was I thought there was something out there.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: No, that's kind of terrifying what happened in the morning.

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Speaker 2: So he gets up really really early and he's just gone,

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Speaker 3: Man, and did he and he just he was just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, man, Yeah, I mean it happened. It happens

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, Well I think about I think about

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Speaker 3: a little adventure.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I I loved it, you know, I would.

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Speaker 2: I'm fucking trodeo.

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Speaker 3: I'm so, did you encounter any other folks on the trail?

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Speaker 2: I did. I did. A lot of them weren't as

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Speaker 2: crazy as him. Actually, they're really really nice. I met

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Speaker 2: So she was really really nice. But she also carried

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Speaker 3: And then you meet like a guy who just like

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, effectively like you you learned a lot

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Speaker 2: of life lessons out there. I learned I learned from

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Speaker 2: this other dude. His name was Achilles. That was trail name.

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Speaker 3: Wait, that's he?

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Speaker 5: What bro?

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Speaker 3: What's your Did people really have trail names?

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the trail people have trail names? Trail names?

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Speaker 3: Was your trail name?

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Speaker 2: My trail name was old school because all of my

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Speaker 2: camping gear was old as ship. I was like rocking

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Speaker 2: ship from the nineties, old school.

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Speaker 3: I have to ask, yeah, the trail name. I feel

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Speaker 3: like trail names are similar to nicknames, where you can't

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Speaker 3: really give yourself your oh yeah, trail name you have.

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Speaker 2: You can never go into your trail name.

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Speaker 3: So I wouldn't have a story of you who gave

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Speaker 3: you your trail name?

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Speaker 2: So, uh, would you believe it? If? If this this

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Speaker 2: guy was not on drugs, but he was recovering from drugs,

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Speaker 2: and he was out there about like this fifty year

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Speaker 2: old dude, and we hiked for like, you know, about

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Speaker 2: solid two hours together and he was just out there

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Speaker 2: day hiking and we talked for a long time. He

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Speaker 2: talked about going to Miami when he was younger and

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Speaker 2: getting mess up on drugs. Eventually getting off of drugs

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Speaker 2: is getting into real estate, right, and he's like, I

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Speaker 2: love nature. It's how I got off of this. And

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Speaker 2: he was really pushing me through it because he was like,

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Speaker 3: That's cool because yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's cool. That's a good Uh. I like that, man.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a smart that's a smart smart move

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Speaker 4: You know, God damn uh you know that's cool because

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Speaker 3: But this is like a really neat and kind of

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Speaker 2: So many people, so many people in the world go there.

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Speaker 2: to me, people would give me food. So many people

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Speaker 3: You must have had diarrhea plenty of times. What's that

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Speaker 3: like when you eat so many of those fucking five

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Speaker 3: Near water, right, what if you have diarrhea?

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Speaker 2: So I actually did have diarrhea trail. I had eaten

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Speaker 2: ever it's painful. It was so painful. It was unbelievably.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's sounds.

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Speaker 2: But uh, a good thing is A good thing is

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, dude, what's your name again, Ivy, Ivy, that's

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Speaker 3: the that's your real name, not your trail name.

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Speaker 2: That it's it's it's a name I like going by.

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Speaker 2: It's not my trail member. My trail name's old school old.

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Speaker 3: Let me let's take a couple of questions from the chat.

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Speaker 3: Does the chat of any questions?

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Speaker 2: Of course? Of course I like this.

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Speaker 3: Man, Thanks for telling me about this. I find it

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Speaker 3: very interesting. I always I like thinking about stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: hopefully it like inspires other people to want to do

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Speaker 3: how was the hike back?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 2: So I hiked from the beginning in Georgia, also through

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Speaker 2: And I didn't drive. I didn't, I was my grandfather

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Speaker 3: No, I'd see. Let's see if let me say one question,

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Speaker 3: Guys seeing skin walkers? I?

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Speaker 2: No, not really. There was bears. I never saw a

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Speaker 2: And I would hear about this bear because there's this

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Speaker 2: right where there was this big bear and they called

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Speaker 2: him Omar because he's a big bear. Like, are you

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Speaker 2: Omar like he was. He fucked a lot of shit up,

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Speaker 2: He stole a lot of shit. And this bear, in particular,

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Speaker 2: And normally with bears in their poop you see seeds, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, throughout history, bears have been portrayed to us

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Speaker 3: Blue House. There's brother Bear. There's what's his name, Yogi Bear.

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Speaker 3: I'm not I mean, I was gonna see how long

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Speaker 3: I can name bears for.

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Speaker 2: Of course that's it.

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Speaker 3: Uh that said, I only know four bears. Go ahead, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know what? Yo be the bear he stole

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Speaker 2: picnic bass.

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Speaker 3: But he never killed people.

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Speaker 2: He never killed people. And bears don't normally kill people.

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Speaker 2: I mean, at least black bears. Black bears, which are

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Speaker 2: I mean, as long as you're not messing with their

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Speaker 2: you're fine. As long as you hang your fine.

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Speaker 3: Real quick somebody real quick, as somebody in the chat

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Speaker 3: said Scooby doo. But I don't think he's a bear.

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Speaker 2: I think he's I think he's a dog maybe.

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Speaker 3: I mean think, is there anything else you want to

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Speaker 3: say to the people of the computer before we go.

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Speaker 2: Yes, if you want to do something in your life,

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Speaker 2: talk to you, you talk to other people. You build slowly.

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Speaker 2: Because I wasn't just like, oh, I'm going on at

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Speaker 2: for it. I was getting every single bit of food.

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Speaker 2: I was getting everything I needed. So the best thing

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for calling Ivy.

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Speaker 2: I love you and have a wonderful Thanksgiving, even though

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Speaker 2: you're not big on holidays.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you know what. Thank you for that. You know what?

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Speaker 3: You have a wonderful Thanksgiving too. I'm you know what

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Speaker 3: you've inspired me. If you've you've inspired the people of

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Speaker 3: the who are listening. So I want to take a

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Speaker 3: And you've inspired me to spend at least sixty more

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Speaker 2: Of course, best of luck to you on those that bear.

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Speaker 2: Remember cocaine bear. That's another start.

437
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 3: And start me off on a good one. Thank you, Avy,

438
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 3: Best of luck to you.

439
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: Too, Best of luck to you too, man.

440
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 3: Bye, I liked that call. That was a was a

441
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 3: cool guy. Just just real quick. Uh uh, there's the bear.

442
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: I know I'm cheating a little bit. I just googled bears.

443
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: There's the bear from Open Season. He's a bear. There's

444
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 3: the bear from Brickleberry. There's kung Fu Panda. That's that

445
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 3: counts Panda bears norm from the North. That's a good bear.

446
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 3: Oh Paddington Bear? How do not forget Paddington Bear? Oh

447
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: the country bear, Jamboree? Any other bears? I think? Why

448
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 3: is Huckleberry hound on here? That's what people. This is

449
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 3: the second time somebody's confused a dog for a bear.

450
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 3: Thanks for calling Ivy we I'm gonna try to call

451
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 3: this guy from Denmark.

452
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: You don't have enough credit to make this call. Go

453
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: to voice settings and add credit to your Google Voice account.

454
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: Wait can I fucking do that? Hold on?

455
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 7: All right?

456
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: Hold on calling rate. Let me see how much it

457
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 3: costs to go to Denmark. All right? All right, so

458
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: in Denmark? All right, So if I wanted to talk

459
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: to Ethan for twenty minutes, it would cost all right,

460
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 3: it would cost about forty cents. Ah fuck, all right?

461
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 3: Hold on day If this works I'm gonna be stoked.

462
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: This call is being rounded by Google. The cost of

463
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: this call is too since per minute?

464
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 3: Hey gang, Hey, what's up man? How's it going?

465
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 6: Hey, I'm good.

466
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: I'm good, says here. Your name is Ethan. You are

467
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 3: from Denmark. For those who are for those who are

468
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 3: listening on the podcast, I just put ten dollars of

469
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 3: credit into Google Voice so I could make this call

470
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: to Ethan, and it's going to cost about two cents

471
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 3: per minute. I don't know why I included that information,

472
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: but I felt like it was important to know that

473
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: I am financially committed to talking to people from Denmark.

474
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: You said, hi, Ghak, my name is Ethan, I'm from

475
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 3: Denmark and I might be a psychopath. Is that accurate?

476
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

477
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess.

478
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: Uh, what's what's going on? Ethan? Tell me? Tell me

479
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: what's up?

480
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 7: Well? You know, people say sometimes they don't think, like

481
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 7: they can't feel as much, you know, but I honestly

482
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 7: don't think I feel I hold you right, I'm twenty twenty.

483
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: One, okay, and you feel like you don't feel.

484
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, like I don't have like sympathy for people. And

485
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 7: I heard like you were in a podcast unlike Spotify.

486
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 7: You were like watching some Brueto Brueto ship on, like

487
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 7: those leaking websites of.

488
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 6: People like dying. Yeah, yeah yeah.

489
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 7: And I just just don't feel anything. It's like sympathy

490
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 7: for it.

491
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, let's okay, let's start deep, because I

492
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 3: mean it's one thing you know people you don't know.

493
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: But let's start like, do you do your parents?

494
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

495
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 6: No, I don't. That's might be the problem.

496
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 3: Okay, do you have any friends?

497
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 6: Yeah? I have like three, like friends.

498
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: How long you've been friends with your with your three friends.

499
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 7: I'd say like ten years.

500
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: You do you enjoy their company and friendship?

501
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 6: Yeah?

502
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like I have to like be with my friends

503
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 7: or or else I can't like function.

504
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.

505
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 3: Would you not classify that as a feeling? Nne.

506
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 7: Sometimes people have some feelings, but like it's just the

507
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 7: main feeling, like the family oriented, the the girl friends, boyfriends,

508
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 7: the vibing. I just I don't. I don't have anything

509
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 7: like that, you know, Like the only thing the only

510
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 7: thing like making me when I wake up is like

511
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 7: like just nicotine, beer and my friends.

512
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 3: I mean, look those three things. That sounds pretty awesome.

513
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't beat yourself up? That too bad? But

514
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: m do you have a job? Yeah, what do you do?

515
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm driving, like so, I just listened to

516
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 7: your like podcast on podcast on there spite High pretty

517
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 7: much like I'm alone, but I like it.

518
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: Okay, I guess what I mean. Look, obviously, being like

519
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 3: addicted to alcohol and cigarettes is not great. But I

520
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 3: guess what I'm what I'm curious about is I'm gonna Okay,

521
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make an observation after having talked to you

522
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: for only four minutes. But it's a gut feeling that

523
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: I'm having right now. And it's a normal thing and

524
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: I do it too, and I think everyone does it.

525
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: Are you like comparing yourself to some fantasy version of

526
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: yourself that doesn't exist? That's like, you know, married with

527
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: a family, and you know is about like saving the

528
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: dogs and stuff like that.

529
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 7: Mm yeah, I think I like, I want to have

530
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 7: a family like that. I do family, house, dog, kid's wife.

531
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 7: But I just just I just don't have the feelings

532
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 7: like the what do you say capacity to like do that?

533
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

534
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 7: I I.

535
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: Nothing you've told me so far indicates to me that

536
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: you don't have feelings.

537
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 7: Well, of course you have some feelings, but there's just

538
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 7: like I think I am, I'm like missing key feelings

539
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 7: for like having a a life like a normal person.

540
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: What's your idea of a normal person?

541
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 7: M m hmm, Like just like a random nine to

542
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 7: five job and just a normal family, house, talk, wife, kids, everything.

543
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I have a few thoughts about this stuff. Uh,

544
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: I think, Well, I think you're pretty young, first of all,

545
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: for you know a wife and children and a dog.

546
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I'm like that whole life. Like four years,

547
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 7: I've been trying to like have a stable relationship, but

548
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 7: it's it's just boring and I I just end up

549
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 7: don't caring about them or anything.

550
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: Why Why is that so? How many? How many times?

551
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 8: Mm hmm?

552
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 3: How many times have you been in a relationship that

553
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: failed because you just realized you didn't care that much

554
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: about the other person?

555
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 7: Four? I think?

556
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: Okay, where'd you meet these people? Tell me? Tell me,

557
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: give me, give me the most recent person. Tell me

558
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: about your most recent relationship, how it went down, how

559
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: you met them? Who they are?

560
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 7: Wo went to like just what you would like to

561
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 7: make us high school meetting class just hung out like

562
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 7: to of course, in the study was just like a

563
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 7: like you she hit.

564
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 6: You know, but then you meet again and again.

565
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 7: And again and it just end up like catching feelings.

566
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: Hold on, so you you you caught feelings?

567
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess, but it's I don't if that's the problem.

568
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's feelings. Well, if it's just

569
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 7: the need of like having someone to like like a

570
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 7: comfort in life.

571
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 6: Maybe that's what I'm missing.

572
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: Is when you say, like, I mean catching feelings, is

573
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: it like is it like a pure lust thing or

574
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: is it just a pure like I need a girlfriend

575
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: to check off the checklist of of of life.

576
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 6: I think it's more of like who else I'm I

577
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 6: gonna like.

578
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 8: Say, just all the random things too, someone I can

579
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 8: when I feel like lonely, it can just be there.

580
00:32:51,440 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 7: Mhm. And it's like a safety thing, I think. M h.

581
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: These all sound like I okay, if we could take

582
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: a step back for like what's your name again? Either,

583
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: if we could take a step back for like a second, yeah,

584
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: just you you you texted me you started off this

585
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: phone call by saying that you were a psychopath.

586
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 7: But it's like the feelings, I'm not like, like you know,

587
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,719
Speaker 7: the TV psychopaths killing like Patrick Bateman.

588
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 6: It's just.

589
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 7: I think there's any ways you can be a psychopaths

590
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 7: like psychopath.

591
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: Maybe I just don't. I just and again, I don't know.

592
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: You know, I've only been talking to you for ten minutes,

593
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: but I just I don't know if you need to

594
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: be walking I just I don't think that because you

595
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: haven't had a successful relationship by the age of two.

596
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: I don't think because you haven't had a successful relationship

597
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: and the kids and a dog by the age of

598
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: twenty one, that you got to be walking around with

599
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: this like belief that you are a psychopath. So that's

600
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: a little strong.

601
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 6: It's not just like the girlfriends.

602
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: Okay, and tell me about something that has something to

603
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 3: do with that that you think makes you a psychopath.

604
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 7: Well, since I have like no parents like I had

605
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 7: like these, but you could like categorize as like a

606
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 7: step step family. Yeah, and they already have had kids,

607
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 7: like they have two kids, and they were all, you know,

608
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 7: every Friday night, they were like having fun, playing some

609
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 7: card games or whatever, and I was just never there.

610
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 7: It was just I just didn't care like that they

611
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 7: were they were I don't know, tell me.

612
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 3: About what you're god, you know, go ahead, keep going.

613
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I just don't know where you know, they

614
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 7: had they had a healthy relationship with each other, and

615
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 7: I was like, never there.

616
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 6: I just didn't care. I was out late.

617
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 7: Night, it just walking. It's just I feel like I'm

618
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 7: missing some key feelings in life.

619
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: Okay, what about your friends? Like you you said to me,

620
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: you said to me, you said, I one of the

621
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: like if I couldn't be around my friends, I couldn't function.

622
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: So you you're not like a complete You're not like,

623
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 3: you know, sitting at home microwaving hamsters all day. You know,

624
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: you you hang out with people who are your.

625
00:35:51,920 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 6: Friends just friends. I don't know, whatelse what do you mean?

626
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: I guess I get.

627
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 6: You know.

628
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 3: I I'm thinking about this because I feel like I've

629
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: had similar feelings before of like looking at the world

630
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: around me and like looking at you know, quote normal

631
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: people and being like, I don't feel a strong you know,

632
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: comparing myself to other people and and their relationships and

633
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: how they live their life, and thinking about myself like, oh,

634
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: why is that not appealing to me? There must be

635
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: something wrong with me. But I I don't think that

636
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: that makes you necessarily a psychopath. Again, I think it's

637
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: a strong I know it's I know it's I know that,

638
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 3: I know it's your face favorite word. I know you

639
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: love that word. But I think it's strong.

640
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 7: They've used it, like.

641
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 6: I don't.

642
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 7: I don't categorize myself as a psychopath, So I just

643
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 7: don't know what it's like else to call it like.

644
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 6: The odd one out.

645
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 7: I don't know.

646
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: But you have but but you have friends. Yeah, so

647
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: I guess like not every person is going to be

648
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: appealing to you to hang out with, Not every social

649
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 3: situation is going to be appealing to you. But I

650
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: don't know.

651
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 7: It's not like I'm social awkward or anything like I'm

652
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 7: right open, right, But I think it's it might just

653
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 7: be fake.

654
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 3: You know what do you mean fake?

655
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 7: Like I'm not open, I'm very like I'm shy, and

656
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 7: I don't talk as much when there is people I

657
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 7: do because I want to like seem like like normal,

658
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 7: normal teenager. I like I'm trying to be someone I'm

659
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 7: not right because.

660
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: You haven't there, because because you have this idea, you

661
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: keep bringing it up of a normal part of a

662
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: normal human being, and I'm not, by the way, I'm

663
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: not fucking I'm not bullshitting you, right, I've had that

664
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: same thoughts about myself, like when like I've been there before.

665
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 3: I've had like, oh, there's a like normal human being

666
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: who like wants to, you know, do these things or

667
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: hang out with these people or do these things. Like

668
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: I have in my head of like what a normal

669
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: human beit fucking being is, And throughout my life been like, oh,

670
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: why do I not feel like a normal person? But

671
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: you're just I don't. The more of like gotten older

672
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: and like reflected on that, the more I'm just like,

673
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: I don't think there is a normal human being. I

674
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: don't think that there is like some standard of a

675
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 3: way to live life that we all must align ourselves

676
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: with or else we are evil and wrong and psychopathic.

677
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 3: And I think that it takes it takes a little

678
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: while to truly internalize that, but I I think you

679
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: gotta dispel that belief because it's not it's based on nothing,

680
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: do you know what I'm saying?

681
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, kind of.

682
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just funny. I mean to put it simply,

683
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: it's just comparing yourself to other people, which is like

684
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 3: the number one the way to hate yourself all the time.

685
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 6: But everyone.

686
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 7: Ha's like met like opened up to say the same thing,

687
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 7: and it's just not working.

688
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 6: And everybody, what.

689
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: Do you hold on? What everyone you've opened up to

690
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: about this says the same thing? What do they say?

691
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 3: Did they say what I just said?

692
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

693
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 7: No, no, they just say to like talk to like therapy,

694
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 7: real real therapy.

695
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you should do that too. That's that's a

696
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 3: good idea, guy.

697
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 7: But I honestly like just a podcast helps more than

698
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 7: like the real real thing.

699
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: I think.

700
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 7: But it's it's it's everyone has it says like go

701
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 7: to therapy, and I've been there, but just doesn't do anything.

702
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: What do they tell you in therapy?

703
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 6: That's the thing.

704
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 7: I don't think I get anything out of it.

705
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 3: What did they tell you about that?

706
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 7: Mm hmm? Like they tell me, they'll tell me it's

707
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 7: like important to like like speak when I feel.

708
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 6: Instead of keeping it.

709
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 3: In, you know, But I just don't to speak when

710
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 3: you feel.

711
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, So like when I feel when I feel something,

712
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 7: I have to like show it, express it. I don't know,

713
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 7: crying or something.

714
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: I can see why that'd be helpful, yeah for sure.

715
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 6: But it's I just can't. I don't know.

716
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 7: I know, last time I cried. It was in February

717
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 7: two thousand and m So it's like I'm a clocked

718
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 7: or something. Mm hmm.

719
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think continuing the Cereal Therapist is good,

720
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 3: but I don't know, Man, If you get anything out

721
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: of this conversation, I hope it's just the understanding that

722
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: like there's no I mean, you can really fuck you

723
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: can just really fuck yourself a lot by holding yourself

724
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: to imaginary benchmarks of normalcy that are established by no

725
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 3: particularly compelling authority.

726
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 7: You know.

727
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: I mean, you're you're you're the only authority on your

728
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: own life and your own benchmarks and not And that's

729
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 3: and that's that's, by the way, that fucking sacred. Okay,

730
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: that's like that, that's like the thing that you get

731
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 3: to have as a that's like your birthright as a

732
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: human being, is that you get to set the own

733
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: benchmarks for your life of how you want to be

734
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: and exist in the world. Never give that up, ever,

735
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 3: to some idea of normalcy. Okay, but I.

736
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 6: Just think I want the normal thing.

737
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: Well then then then go then then then what's the problem.

738
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know that.

739
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 7: I mean just like I'm not there. I'm just I'm

740
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 7: just not ready for anything, and I don't think I'm

741
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 7: going to be ready ever for like having anything to

742
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 7: do with a real relationship, because it just gets boiling,

743
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 7: even even though I'm very attached.

744
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: Well, if it gets well, if it gets boring, then

745
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: why do you want it?

746
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 7: I don't know, that's what I'm saying. I think it's

747
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 7: a safety thing I need to feel. I just I

748
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 7: think I like the feeling when people need me like

749
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 7: some some sort of like power, like I have the

750
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 7: power over someone.

751
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: Well, that's a terrible reason to get into a relationship.

752
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know.

753
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: Uh Ethan Ethan Ethan. By the way, Denmark has the

754
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 3: best fucking seven elevens in the whole world. There's this

755
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 3: honey chicken. Do you live near a seven eleven?

756
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 5: Yeah?

757
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just went in this to see bro.

758
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 3: The seven elevens in Denmark are awesome. They have this

759
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 3: like honey chicken skewer thing. They have this like meat

760
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 3: pie sausage thing with ketchup. It's so good.

761
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 6: When have you been to Denmark?

762
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 3: I mean I've been to Denmark twice. Do you live

763
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 3: in Copenhagen?

764
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 7: No, I live in like like the complete outher side.

765
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 6: It's umble, it's up up, all down. I don't know.

766
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: See if I, if I, if I lived in Denmark,

767
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: whenever I got the pressed, I would just go to

768
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: seven eleven and just binge would be sick. It's boring, Ethan.

769
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: I look, first of all, I hope you got some

770
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: semblance of something out of this phone call.

771
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 7: But of course.

772
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 3: Don't. Don't. Don't be so fast to write yourself off,

773
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: you know, I don't. I don't think that's I don't

774
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: think it's logical for you to do that.

775
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I might not might not be healthy.

776
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: Is there anything else you want to say to the

777
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: people of the computer before we go?

778
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 7: Ye would just take care and it's it's been a

779
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 7: honor talking.

780
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: To hey man, it's a bit of honor talking to

781
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: you too. I still, I still think it's crazy to

782
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 3: me that like people in Denmark, people in like a

783
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: random place in Denmark are listening to my stupid Gecko podcast.

784
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: I think that's sick. So you know, it's an honor

785
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: to talk to you too.

786
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: Man.

787
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 7: Oh, they have many you have many listeners and Spotify,

788
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 7: don't you.

789
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 6: Way more?

790
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 7: Yes?

791
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: I guess well, I did a show in Denmark. I

792
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 3: don't know if you were there Copenhagen. Sounds like it's

793
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: far from you, but yeah, cool. So thanks for listening

794
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: to my stupid thing. And I hope that you stop

795
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: thinking you're a psychopath.

796
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 6: Yeah I don't. I don't know what to think, but

797
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 6: thank you. Thank you for your time.

798
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: Take care of Ethan, you too, I think that. Well,

799
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 3: actually i'll say this, I'll say this too, and this

800
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: is I didn't. I didn't. I didn't touch on anything

801
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 3: cultural in that phone call. But every where I went

802
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: in Scandinavia. I did a tour of doing my live

803
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: show in Europe this summer, and everywhere I went in

804
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: Scandinavia before I did my show, somebody told me. They

805
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: were like, don't be surprised if nobody laughs or talks

806
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: or says anything, because the people in Scandinavia are known

807
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: for having no emotions. So I don't know. Maybe it's

808
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: a cultural thing, but but I guess, I guess comparing

809
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 3: yourself to other people, I guess that's a universal thing,

810
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: or comparing yourself to like some standard of normalcy. You

811
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: know what else is funny on this podcast is like

812
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 3: I'm always telling people to do every every time, I

813
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: just I want to make this clear so that people

814
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 3: don't think that I'm awesome all the time. Like anytime

815
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 3: I you know, am like saying these things to people,

816
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 3: I'm really I really just feel like I'm reinforcing them

817
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 3: to myself, you know. I mean, I'm over here, I'm like,

818
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: why don't I Why do I have this weird life?

819
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 3: Why do I have to, like, you know, go do

820
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: a bunch of weird stuff with my life instead of

821
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:20,959
Speaker 3: just like having a normal, you know, existence. But that's

822
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: not there's no I meant what I said. I don't

823
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 3: think that there's some imaginary fucking benchmark of how life

824
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: should be lived. And I do. I do think that's

825
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 3: a sacred thing. And I do think that the honey

826
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 3: chicken from seven to eleven is the best food in

827
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 3: all of Europe. Hey guys, it's Lyle here. I'm about

828
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: to do some ad reads, but if you're a premium

829
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 3: member of the podcast, you will not hear them. Premium members,

830
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 3: or gek Legends, as I like to call them, get

831
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 3: access to every episode of this podcast ad free. They

832
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 3: also get bonus episodes recordings for my live shows members

833
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 3: only stream, and they support my ability to keep doing

834
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 3: this show for a long time, do it in cooler,

835
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 3: more interesting places, and also eat food, which is important.

836
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 3: If any of that sounds cool to you, you can

837
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 3: go to therapy Gecko dot supercast dot com to become

838
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 3: a gek legend, or find the link in the episode description.

839
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: All right, let's do some ads.

840
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 5: Oh shit, Hello, Hello, how are you?

841
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 3: I'm doing all right? How are you?

842
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 5: Honestly I don't know for even some friendships. And my

843
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 5: main text message or the text message, the text message

844
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 5: I sent you was about my lawsuit. So I guess

845
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 5: I'll talk about that.

846
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm nervous, No, no worries. What says here that

847
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: your name is Kylie and you are quote in a

848
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: stupid lawsuit situation over quote a dumb ass hat. What

849
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 3: do you do you mean a dumb ass hat or

850
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 3: a dumb ass hat.

851
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 5: Uh, it's a work hat. To be specific, I have

852
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 5: a medical condition. It's an auto amine disorder called chronic earthticaria.

853
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 5: So I'm allergic to my sweat and like a lot

854
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 5: of parts of myself, which really sucks. So anyway, I

855
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 5: was working at our local university here, and anyway, I

856
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 5: was there for six years, and uh, this one lady

857
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 5: ended up getting promoted, and I actually did a lot

858
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 5: of her dishes because I was a dishwasher. So anyway,

859
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 5: she got promoted, and so I hadn't been wearing a hat. Sorry,

860
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 5: it's hard to explain. I hadn't been wearing a hat

861
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 5: for like a year or so. Plenty of managers and

862
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 5: other employees were also not wearing hats, so like it

863
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 5: was never an issue. And so when this woman got promoted,

864
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 5: she noticed I wasn't wearing a hat and brought me

865
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 5: up to HR. And anyway, they asked me to get

866
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,959
Speaker 5: a doctor's note basically stating that I couldn't wear a hat,

867
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 5: and I got it. I got that doctor's note. In

868
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 5: that doctor's note got me fired.

869
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry if you said this already, But can

870
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 3: I ask where where do you work? What is this place?

871
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 5: It was the Universe or at the university? Sorry I

872
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 5: should have specified it's called campus dining. I won't say

873
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 5: where exactly.

874
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, when you say when you say a hat,

875
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: do you mean like when you because you said campus dining.

876
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 3: This isn't something where like you're working with food and

877
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 3: you need like a hair tie, right, This is just

878
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 3: like a cosmetic hat.

879
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 5: Uh, it's it's a uniform hat. Yeah, chat saying yeah,

880
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 5: So I basically denied. I denied putting the hat on

881
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 5: basically because you know, for like a year or so here,

882
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 5: I am thinking it's okay to not wear a hat,

883
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 5: you know, and there's there's many managers and employees who

884
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 5: are working alongside me, you know, serving the students' food

885
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 5: and all that, and so anyway, A it's really funny.

886
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 5: Hr they gave me unrealistic options. They I don't know,

887
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 5: like one option was straight aus like fifty miles away

888
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 5: from me, so that would mean I would have to

889
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 5: you know, move away. So I don't know. It's just

890
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 5: it's a really stupid situation. And my court date is

891
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 5: what three three weeks from now, and I'm confused.

892
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm confused. For a second, are you suing

893
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 3: them or are they suing you?

894
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 5: Oh? No, I'm suing them because essentially I was fired

895
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 5: over a medical condition. Again, they asked me. They asked

896
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 5: me for a doctor's note, and I got them that note,

897
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 5: and they are trying to say that I quit, but

898
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 5: in reality, they put me against you know, a hard place,

899
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 5: or you know, a rock between a rock and a

900
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 5: hard place essentially, So I don't know. I don't know.

901
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 3: Do you think you're gonna win this lawsuit? Have you

902
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 3: talked to your Does your lawyer think you're gonna win?

903
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

904
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 5: He thinks I have a pretty good case, which is

905
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 5: reassuring to a degree. I don't know.

906
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: I've never on the I'll say this on the bright side,

907
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 3: your you, I assume would are going to win if

908
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 3: if your lawyer's right, and you do have a good case,

909
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: I assume that you're going to uh procure much more

910
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 3: money than you would have procured had they had they.

911
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 5: Not fired you, right, right, Yeah, And my lawyer and

912
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 5: I we've we've done a lot of the calculations. Again,

913
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 5: it's been about two years, and I've lost uh I'm

914
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 5: not too sure how many thousands of dollars, but yeah,

915
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 5: maybe thirty to forty thousand dollars so far.

916
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 3: So okay, that's another thing. I was going to ask you,

917
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 3: how much money in legal fee you're you're spending like

918
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 3: forty thousand dollars at legal fees over the past two

919
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 3: years to sue this, to sue this company.

920
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, I didn't mean that, Sorry, I

921
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 5: just mean, like the the amount of money that I've

922
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 5: lost from losing that job.

923
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, damages. Yeah, that's that's forty thousand dollars over

924
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 3: the course how many years, Well.

925
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 5: It's almost been two years almost, so it's probably gone

926
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 5: up by now. But yeah, and my lawyer was about

927
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 5: one thousand dollars.

928
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, so I let me ask you that this

929
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 3: happened two years ago, what have you been doing in

930
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: the meantime?

931
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 5: Right, So, so since they fired me, they tried to

932
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 5: make it sound like I quit, So I was denied

933
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 5: my unemployment for six seven months. So I was working

934
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 5: with my dad mostly just trying to get by. And

935
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 5: I'm still trying to pay off my invisil line, which

936
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 5: is hard. So it was hard trying to keep up

937
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:53,479
Speaker 5: with that though. And uh so anyway, earlier this year,

938
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 5: I plied at a grocery store. So that's about it,

939
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 5: trying to get by.

940
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 3: I'm curious just and like, so this thing makes you

941
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: allergic to your own sweats.

942
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 5: Right, It's it's stupid. And what made me what got

943
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 5: my attention was I started breaking out in hives in

944
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 5: the shower from the heat. So I think it's like, uh,

945
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 5: I don't know, there's there's something in the sweat. Supposedly

946
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 5: it's a it's like a protein. Not entirely sure, but

947
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 5: I never had this growing up. It kind of came about,

948
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 5: I don't know, six or seven years ago after a

949
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 5: super stressful situation. So I think it's genetic. And uh,

950
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 5: I guess mostly women get it. I'm sure men.

951
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 3: Are you? Are there any other like so like you

952
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 3: you see it? You're you said you're allergic to other

953
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: like parts of your body.

954
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm allergic to my not I'm allergic to

955
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 5: my bit. I'm allergic to my tears.

956
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: Wait, you're allergic to How does that? Like when? How

957
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 3: do the allergies manifest themselves? Like do you just swell

958
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 3: up when you cry?

959
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

960
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 5: My eyes just get really itchy, like my whole face.

961
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 5: Actually it goes away though, Like it's mostly just discomfort,

962
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 5: Like it's not life threatening or anything like that. But

963
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 5: that's the.

964
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 3: Fucking kicking the ass that like something happens to make

965
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: you sad and then you're you get double you get

966
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 3: double sad.

967
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 5: No exactly, It's like, come on now, I don't want

968
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 5: to be like ope, shit, yeah, at least.

969
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 3: The at least I hope I hope in those moments

970
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: that the physical pain takes away from the emotional pain.

971
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 3: That's the you know, last half full way of looking

972
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 3: at it.

973
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, So it's just been really stressful. Like I

974
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 5: actually gained like fifty fifty pounds because of the stress.

975
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 5: And I think that it's also because of the anti

976
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 5: de press that I'm on as well though, So, but stress,

977
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 5: stress is so bad for us, Like just seeing how

978
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 5: it's affected me, I don't know, it's it's crazy.

979
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 3: How how far do you think you are from settling

980
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 3: your lawsuit?

981
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 2: Uh?

982
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 5: Well, our court date is November fifteenth, so fingers crossed

983
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 5: that the jury is on my side.

984
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: You're gonna whip up some tears?

985
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 5: Oh I hope not.

986
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a see that's a double edged sword too.

987
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 3: Is that you can't you know, you can't use your

988
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 3: tears to compel a jury in a fourth case?

989
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's sucks sing allergic to your own fucking tears, dude,

990
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 5: It's it's not fun.

991
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 3: So what's your name again?

992
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 6: It's Kylie?

993
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 5: Like Kylie?

994
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 3: Well, Kylie? Before we go? Is anything I feel like

995
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 3: we've only talked about the pressing things. I do want

996
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 3: to know if anything good is going on in your life.

997
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 5: Thank you so much. I appreciate that. And right back

998
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 5: at you. I'm a DJ. I just try to work

999
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 5: on music and I don't know, I'm just trying to

1000
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 5: win this lawsuit and just yeah, just trying to focus

1001
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 5: on the good and mostly just music.

1002
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 3: So I have a great deal of respect for you

1003
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 3: being a DJ, because I feel as though a nightclub

1004
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 3: is a terrible place for a person allergic to their

1005
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 3: own sweat to be.

1006
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 5: Tell me about it, suck.

1007
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 6: Oh that's so funny.

1008
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you got you.

1009
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 3: Got to attach some some fans to your deck.

1010
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, no kidding, I explain, need to invest in one

1011
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 5: of those like neck fans that you see people at

1012
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 5: festivals during.

1013
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's cool, that's cool. I'm just glad. I'm

1014
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 3: glad this lawsuit's not like, uh, you know, in all

1015
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 3: encompassing every thought that you have in your brain and

1016
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 3: you're actually exerting some time and energy to a thing

1017
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 3: that's exciting.

1018
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's it's hard, man. Yeah, I guess just trying

1019
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 5: to be mindful and meditation is good because the more

1020
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 5: we the more I ruminate. I can tell like even

1021
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 5: my my skin symptoms start to act up. So it's

1022
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 5: like I have to kind of not let stress take

1023
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 5: over me.

1024
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,479
Speaker 3: Are you playing any gigs anytime soon?

1025
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 5: No?

1026
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 7: Not, I don't know.

1027
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 5: I had a couple of gigs actually here at our

1028
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 5: local beach. But yeah, I think I've had quite a

1029
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 5: few in the last months. So I need a break.

1030
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 3: If you win your core, if you win your court case,

1031
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 3: you can have a little you can throw a little

1032
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 3: party exactly.

1033
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 5: No, that's my goal. I actually really want to be

1034
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 5: I mean some people think it's silly, but I really

1035
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 5: want to be a promoter. Like the town I'm in,

1036
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 5: we don't really have a good music scene like we do.

1037
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 3: But what sound is it? Oh?

1038
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 5: Like the music scene A lot of it's just tech house.

1039
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, that what what what's what town?

1040
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 5: Oh? Sam Luis Obispo.

1041
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 3: I didn't even know what you just said. So the

1042
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 3: tracks that we don't have a good music scene there.

1043
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 5: It's a it's right in between San Francisco and the way.

1044
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 3: That you just said it. Actually that sounded kind of

1045
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 3: like a DJ beat. Santa Benevis is Yeah, Santa nas

1046
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 3: is gay?

1047
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 5: Hey?

1048
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your nick? Kylie?

1049
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1050
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 3: Kylie? Is anything else gonna say to the people of

1051
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 3: the computer before we go.

1052
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 5: Big up love you guys. I don't know, yeah, big

1053
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 5: up chat gak blessed.

1054
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 3: I will I will manifest you winning this lawsuit. I

1055
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know if I'm one for manifestation,

1056
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 3: but god, I'll try anything.

1057
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, you never know, you never know. Oh, take care, Kyley,

1058
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 5: Yeah you too.

1059
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 2: Bye.

1060
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 3: Hello, folks, it's Lyle here. That's the end of this episode.

1061
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:18,440
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1062
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1070
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: I had always collected skulls, like I always loved animal skulls.

1071
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: I have deer skulls and big cool elk antlers and

1072
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: just a big animal skulf. But then I guess I

1073
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: graduated to human skulls.

1074
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 3: Do you ever think about the human that is behind

1075
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 3: the skull, like the human that the skull once belonged to?

1076
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: I do, Actually, I think about it a lot.

1077
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: How old are these people whose skulls you have?

1078
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: It's hard to say. I have one that is a

1079
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: Tibetan capola, a skull cap used in Buddhist ritual stuff,

1080
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: and it's carved, but it's a very very small skull

1081
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: cap So I think that one was an adolescent or

1082
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: a child.

1083
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,120
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1084
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,560
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1086
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,120
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Speaker 3: Gecko dot supercast dot com. All right, I have nothing

1088
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 3: else to say.

1089
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 4: Goes on the line, calls every night, Everything goes to

1090
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 4: his hide. He's teaching new houses of your life, but

1091
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 4: he's not really an expert.