WEBVTT - Jaeger Kovich - Part 2 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:04.160 Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:08.560 Today's episode is powered by tdm or Trade. Every stroke 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.520 counts on the scorecard and every penny counts in the market. 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.720 That's why tdam ror Trade is committed to straightforward pricing 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.640 with no surprises, so you're free to swing with confidence. 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:23.279 Visit tdomritrade dot com slash Fried Egg member SIPC. We 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:26.279 are back with another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:30.040 Today's episode is part two of our most recent conversation 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.080 with up and coming golf architect Jaeger Kovich. 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:35.479 So if you missed part one, check it out. It 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:37.040 was released last week. 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.479 We talked a ton about how Yaeger got into the 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:44.239 profession of golf architecture, playing golf around New York and 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:49.599 aw Tilling cast. In this edition, we go over Yaeger's 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.480 Mount Rushmore, We bring back Overrated, Underrated. There's all kinds 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.480 of good stuff in this half of the podcast. Really 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.520 appreciate the time from Yaeger. He also has been writing 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.240 a ton for the website. Him and Clyde Johnson have 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:07.759 been doing the Eclectic eighteen of the UK. Highly recommend 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.160 checking it out. This week we will be hitting hole sixteen. 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.280 So if you haven't read any of them, you got 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.040 a lot of reading ahead and they do a really 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:21.280 great job breaking down each hole one through eighteen, all 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:25.480 different holes from different golf courses around the UK. So 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:29.240 definitely check that out on the website, Thefrida Egg dot com. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.840 And here's part two of jaeger Kovid I. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.560 Miss the green for example, I'm already upset when I 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:37.600 find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.080 And when I find my ball in a. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:42.160 Brid egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Frida Egg, 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.800 Frida egg Egg Frida egg, bride egg Lie. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:45.840 I'm about ready to run. 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:46.759 Off of the hump course. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:19.280 We've talked Telling hast and we've talked Tom Simpson. Yeah, 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.200 I'm assuming those two would be on. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:23.560 Your Mount Rushmore. 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.520 Four guys, if you had to do four, it would 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.639 be the other two. If you I don't want to 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.120 put either of those guys on, if you don't think 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:33.399 they deserve to be on there. 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:43.480 Uh, I don't know. I guess this is I love 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.200 sports talk radio, and this is like the classic you know, 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.920 Mount Mount Rushmore question. 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:52.519 Mount Rushmore. It's it's I asked it to so many people. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:58.720 I just I'd probably put Tom on there his influence 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:06.920 with the writing and and just not just his golf courses, 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.000 which the portfolio turtainly speaks for itself and probably belongs 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.919 on there just because of that. But I think the 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:17.200 impact and that with the the books, both the Anatomy 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.040 and the Conventional guid and just showing people were trying 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:26.120 to the modern day. Yeah, sort of. It just shows 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.840 you how how many great golf courses there are around 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.360 the world that people didn't really know about, and you know, 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.079 people are going all over the place to see them 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.760 because you know, he put these places on the sort 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.240 of map. Again, I think that impact that way is 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:44.640 is pretty enormous. Plus, you know, and. 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:49.360 Writing about restoration like and like how many clubs did 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.640 he write like this could be great if it was restored, 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:57.720 like and then it led those clubs to actually do something. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:01.520 Mm hmmm, we're just the The Anatomy too, is just 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:04.520 you know, it's just a perfect book to give to 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.240 like your green chair or something like that. Right, it's 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.040 like one on one. It's you know, not the super 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.520 old English like the old guys, but it's it's in 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.640 very easy to understand, well, at least I think so. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.520 But I think even the just a guy that's really 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.440 interested in the golf can probably read that architectural book, 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.560 and I mean learn a gazillion things from it too, 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.360 even though if they don't understand everything, there'll be parts 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.200 they take and then they'll play more and more, and 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.120 if you pick it up five years later, you probably 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:35.920 learn something totally new too. 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.800 So yeah, I. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:44.120 Always recommend that or Shackleford's Grounds for Golf. Okay, yeah, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.320 I actually love the Little Red Book too. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:50.320 That was neat. It's really easy for people with like 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:51.400 ad D like me. 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.400 Or if you grew up on golf cob baalist, I'm like, yeah, 0:04:54.440 --> 0:05:00.320 I remember that thread. I remember yeah too, right, that's 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:05.000 how I took it out reply those are good too. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.520 He shockingly likes like emojis on there too, which is 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:10.560 kind of funny. 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.560 It's kind of fun noil Core likes emojis too. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.840 Yeah, like who guy doesn't have email, but he loves 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:18.160 the text is pretty funny. 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:18.680 It is. 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:22.640 It is funny. It's it's really funny. It doesn't even 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:23.880 know how to use the Internet, but. 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.640 It's funny too because he's like, you know the last 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.960 He's like hey, hi here, this is like do you like? 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:34.359 He's like, are you comfortable texting? I'm like, I'm thirty three, man, like, yeah, 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:40.240 I can do this. But there there were a while. Uh, 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:44.560 I mean he's a candidate too for sure, right, I 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.680 don't know. I mean Mackenzie would probably be on there 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.520 with the Continental stuff just all over the globe. That's 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.240 a pretty important one too. How many is that? That's 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.680 is that four? If we have Tilly on there? 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:57.360 Are you booting Tilly? 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:58.080 I don't know. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.560 I don't you can don't feel like you have to 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:02.280 have him on there. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:09.320 Well we'll leave it for now. I mean you could 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:16.240 put I have a total fascination with Walter Travis courses 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.320 as well. He would probably be a candidate for me. 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:25.239 I probably wouldn't have Ross over Tilly. I think Tilly's 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:29.760 best work is sort of a step of like the 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.719 whole chunk of that a level. Tilly stuff I think 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:38.960 is a little over that that sort of class from Ross. 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.119 I think Ross has some like a top three or five, 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.240 which you are up there, but after that it's kind 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.200 of you know that that sort of perfect. Every every 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.040 community has to have one of those Donald Ross courses, 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:55.279 which is awesome, right. The volume that's. 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:59.160 The tricky thing to weigh, is like the prolificness, but. 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:04.599 It's important, and you know, I guess this is a 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.880 good question for you. I mean, you could questionably have 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.240 you know, Trent Jones on there just because of what 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:13.640 he did business wise to the thing. I mean, you 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.360 could have it all. M hmm, exactly. That was the 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.840 next one from the UK, or I mean old Tom 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:21.560 or like those you know, the guys that were just 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.320 finding the like, you know, if you wanted to go 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:28.320 with that, Old Tom's resume is pretty damn good too, right. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:30.600 So would you. 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:39.360 Let's take like Tom Simpson career mhm? Or I don't 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.960 nobody's ever going to be Donald Ross, but like say, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.840 say you did instead of what Tom Sims's twenty courses 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.640 something like that. George Thomas would be another one that's 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.000 in that same bucket. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.800 There's a guy that you know, there's another candidate for you. 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.000 But yeah, would you rather have like that type of 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:04.920 career where or or a like three times as many 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.880 but not have as good the great ones, like not 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.240 have as many great ones all? 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.320 Really, you know, I'm just trying to have a career. 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.640 I understand that, but you know, I'm just curious. I 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.480 never really thought, I. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.960 It's such a different business now it is. You know, 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:26.040 there's there's nobody. I can't see any scenario where anybody's 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.600 going to have anything close to that, right, So in 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:33.679 scaled reality, you know, if if anyone you know, start 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.079 the clocks now does like forty or fifty courses in 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.400 their career, it's going to be insane, right, depends a lot, 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:45.680 it is, you know, even if like you know, like 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.280 we get you know, it's changed in the last five years. 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.040 But historically if you look at say it like Gills, 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.520 like Gill, he didn't he doesn't have like the world's 0:08:55.559 --> 0:09:02.120 longest list of new courses. Certainly the last five ten 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:06.400 years would probably you know, you it's fresher in your 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.520 minds the new things, and they're prevalent and they're all awesome, 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:15.480 but it's the business has changed, and it took years 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.679 and years and years of great renovation, restoration and the 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.199 odd really cool new courses he built. But to get 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.680 to that point, it's so hard to tell. Now, I'd 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.520 be I'm just hoping to do one, honestly, it would 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.600 be it would be amazing to just do one right now, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.280 and I'm probably not even gonna you know, who knows 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:38.880 what that property is going to be. Like, so it's impossible. 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.240 I think it because like this is a conversation that 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.199 you have about tour golfers, like would you rather be 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.840 the guy that has, like, you know, the twenty five 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.480 year career but doesn't win a ton or a guy 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.960 that wins you know, a lot, but a shorter career, 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:58.360 like you know, it's like that that it's a crazy 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.320 thing because like I don't know, that's that's kind of 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.240 what spurned my thought. 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.839 Could could like Clayton Kershaw, right, you did the best 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.520 renovation restorations of all time, but when you get the 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.360 new stuff, it just doesn't add up and it doesn't translate, 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.960 you know, right, Sorry Shackleford. 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.840 That's a good. That's a good. I like that. Yeah, 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:23.400 Clayton kershaw it's a yeah. I don't know, it's a 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:25.400 I agree because. 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.000 Then I just I just don't want to be the 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:31.400 Mets or the Cup true, right. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.520 The cups are worse, but we've been good lately. 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:41.000 Yeah, So it's I yeah, in your position, you get 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.200 getting the first one is the toughest thing. 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.600 Yeah, And then after that it feels like getting the 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.600 second one because so you're not just the you know 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.240 one time, you know, you got lucky one time, you 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.560 know you can you did something, you did something good, 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.560 good enough that someone wants to work, you know, wants 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.920 to use you. We get right, that's okay, It wasn't 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.160 fluke kind of thing. You know at supplants, you know, 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.520 anyone can get lucky ones. I guess it's. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:13.600 It's the development world too. 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.080 It's it's so hard at this point. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:21.440 I think developers that the you know, they're in this 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.800 position where they almost feel like there's not too much 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.800 work for the top guys, so like they're always available, 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.360 and they think like, oh, why wouldn't we not? Why 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.280 would we Like there's no risk in hiring you know, 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.840 Gil Tom or Bill, you know Bill, like you're. 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.320 Getting the highest quality stuff every time, and. 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.880 There's just no there's no a smart, safe choice. 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.040 But you know, when Mike Kaiser changed and everything when 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:54.160 he hired David Kidd, David Kidd was an extremely risky hire. 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.400 And it's it's just a fascinating thing because at that 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:03.680 time there was so much development going on that you 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.280 could well, like Fasio is going to be so busy 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.160 that this wouldn't he wouldn't spend a ton of time here, 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.440 like and that's not the case right now, which is 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.480 a very interesting thing. 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.760 For the uh we were talking about that earlier with 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.840 the restoration stuff and the consulting. Right, you know, imagine 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:25.600 being twenty seven and being hired at the at piping Rock, right, 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:31.400 you know, it's uh cool, awesome, all right, Yeah, we 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:36.640 can do that, and that doesn't happen anymore, uh, you know, 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:41.319 it not to someone sort of that unproven. Even then 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:45.280 it takes a lot, you know, a lot more experience, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.520 and you know, it's cool because it lets you know, 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:52.880 you know, I know, I can go look for things 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.680 with like a huge amount of potential and try to 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.160 you know that, right. That's the thing is you kind 0:12:59.960 --> 0:13:03.800 of like look to make a little bit of that 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:07.120 sort of dent by taking something that could be really 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.920 awesome and showing people that because it's the stuff that's 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:14.160 really close, you know, it's probably someone's already working there 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:18.440 at this point. Yeah, the stuff that everybody's heard of, 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.680 it's already been restored exactly for the most part, there's 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.719 still some that need it. I'll tell you where you 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:30.520 you know, the Wisconsin, so many courses up there just 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:35.520 are desperate need of tree removal. There's pointing around here too. 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.760 It's just like what you were talking about, Earl's a 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:41.440 lot more expensive to get out here. 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.400 Yeah take the trees out. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.800 Yeah yeah. 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.920 How much nicer is it working at home as opposed 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.320 to it's pretty sweet? 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:59.520 It really doesn't happen very often, but it's it's it's 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:05.040 a most weird a little bit because it's like there's 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.199 there's other things going on at home, and when you're 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.760 on the road, like you can be really laser focused, right, 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:14.080 there's no there's nothing else to do at some of 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.080 these places, and you're just there with the crew and 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:21.960 the guys, and all you're doing is talking about golf 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.400 and that project and how to make that better and 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.760 better and all that stuff, and you're taking in that culture. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.720 But when you're at home, it's it. You know, certainly, 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.680 you know, having a fiance and someone to like come 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.320 like at home, that's not it doesn't know what's going on. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:42.680 It's it makes it a little bit different, But there's 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.840 nothing better than sleeping in your own own bed. I 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.440 end up being so many for staying home. Well, it's 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.880 tough because I can get to Long Island in the morning. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:52.760 When I leave it like you know, five am, I 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.640 get out there in fifty minutes, but it might take 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.080 two hours plus and traffic to get back all the 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.360 way across to We've just on the other side of 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.040 the city in Jersey, and it's like, you know, that 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.320 makes you think, like occasionally it might be good to 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.680 stay out here and you kind of half and half, 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:10.720 I guess is kind of what I did at the 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.520 with the Creek, which is again it's like fifty minutes 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.080 in the morning, but it can be if you want 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:17.960 to leave before seven pm, it's going to take you 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:22.560 two plus hours. So it's you know, even it's not 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.520 even a home game sometimes when it feels like it 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:24.960 should be. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:27.880 What what project? 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.760 I imagine that you were just you just alluded to 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:35.200 it with talking golf with the other guys you're working with, 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.360 Like what project sticks out? Like where when did you 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:43.120 have the most fun time after work or during and 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:47.000 after work where you go you're done and you just talk, 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.000 talk shop and talk market. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.240 The ones that stick out the most or gismoal River 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.720 and that was like your second one, that was the 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:01.240 first one, first construction with you were an in Renaissance. Yeah, 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.840 there was a group of like ten of us right 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.200 out there. That and that we're pretty much trapped, right, 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.720 So you're when you're in a brack, there's no place there. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.920 We're all eating three meals together every day, we're all 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:19.280 sleeping in rooms like right next to each other. You're 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:23.520 working together all day long. That's that's kind of that's 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:27.200 just what it is. Obviously there's more talk than just golf, 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:31.360 but knowing me, it probably was only golf, especially if you. 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:35.080 Had ten are still in architecture. 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:41.800 I think we did this on the other one, so obviously, right, 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:48.120 So obviously Tom Blake and Brian and Schneider, right, those 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:52.000 are obvious. Jonathan Reester, who was out there a bit 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:56.000 with us, is still he still does uh some work, 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.000 I believe, although I think he just went back to school. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:05.080 So who else? Yeah, Blake Clyde for sure, Zach Party 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:12.159 for sure, Jeff Stein for sure, Brett Hakstein, Uh, Ryan 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:19.160 Johns was working at bel Air right he who else? 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:24.480 I haven't kept too much in touch with like Connor Cummings, 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.679 but I've heard at points. I think he's worked with 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:33.679 Trip at least he's from Oklahoma. I don't know if 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.399 there's anybody else currently, like they were still in for 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.919 a while at least if they weren't James Byrd, I 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:45.480 guess and uh Matt Hunter some of the other names 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.240 that popped into my mind. If I might be forgetting 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.840 someone obvious, but I just it's a while a go, 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.080 but it's I mean, it was that was a that 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:05.480 was a awesome time and learning experience. It was a 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:11.840 crash course in minimalism, but the same time too. Vineyard 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:16.560 Golf Club, my first project with gil Well was was great. 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.639 I spent a lot of time there with Kyle friends. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:27.200 That's where you know, three months with him talking architecture 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.080 all the time. I and that's all we're ever going 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:30.080 to talk about together. 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.720 You know, when Kyle calls you, it's gonna be like 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:34.440 an hour. 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.840 And a half and he's driving and you're just worried 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.600 he's gonna total his car on another animal at the 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.960 same time, and I know he's driving with two feet 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:49.120 as well, which is just so dangerous, but he thinks 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:50.240 he's the world's greatest driver. 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:50.680 Man. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.000 He's gonna kill me for saying all this, but it'll 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.800 be funny, we said, I didn't get him as bad 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.600 as Wagner got him on some of the other ones. 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.280 Even in France. With Neil, I was telling you earlier 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:08.960 when we're walking around he's he's awesome. He's one of 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.560 the most talented people in the business and loves it 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.840 and we are a really great team on site. We 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:21.680 have a lot of similar just views on life, and 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.920 it was we had an awesome time building golf and 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:31.560 taken in the French lifestyle this year. That was a place. 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:33.800 It was hot though. 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:38.960 Yes they the French do not do air conditioning very well. 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:45.400 But if you can get a the fans situation sorted, 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.040 get a sleep on the bottom floor of the house, 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:53.040 and a lot of rose, I think is the key. Really, 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:54.960 it's it's a. 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:02.240 Far worse when you're talking shop with other guys. You know, 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:06.399 they're you're kind of like teammates when you're doing these projects. 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.480 But then in the future you guys are hopefully you know, 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.440 going to go on and build your own courses and 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.320 not all be working together all the time. Like are 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.240 you do you have ideas that you like, can't tell 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.960 you you can't like in your head? 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:27.480 I yeah, I think for sure. I absolutely, I'm there's 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:31.119 everybody's got their own little secret move or something, you know, 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:39.480 you like, yeah, of course, I I maybe it just 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:42.320 depends on how much rose is flowing at the time 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.800 as to what comes out at when. But you know, 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:48.320 they're all just ideas, right, and most of the ideas 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.240 and this stuff have probably been they're probably coming from 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.280 somewhere being recycled or inspired by something else anyway, So 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.040 you know, we'll see. I think there's obviously like a 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.600 big thing about you know, what's next. Right, We've been 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.520 on this minimum, you know, so I. 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:05.240 Think there's a there's a. 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:13.600 Oh yeah, so you know, I I certainly have ideas 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:15.560 about what that could be. I think there's a lot 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:20.320 of stuff with the way some of the like crazy 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:26.080 technology stuff and the uh tools we have to do 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:30.080 these these these you know, super high end jobs. Now. 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:33.639 I think there's so, you know, with the bunker liners, 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:38.159 all these sorts of different drainage stuff to sort of 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:44.000 take what we have equipment wise and sort of rejigger 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:47.000 some of the form and function stuff and try to 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.959 make the I mean, you're gonna make We'll give the 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.920 bunkers today, Like it's like perfection, right, But at the 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:58.520 same time, it's really easy to almost if you're a 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.800 good player, to hit some of that super high spinny 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:05.679 shots out of those you know, the billy bunker stuff. Right. 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:09.680 It almost makes it more moist and the sand is firmer, 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.840 So a really good player can get down and like 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.120 create a lot of spin. It almost makes it easier 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:19.840 for them. So how to take sort of react to that, right, 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.240 because I think is sort of where mine go my 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:25.879 mind goes. But then I also think too about like 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.040 you know, going more and the more urban stuff. Right, 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:32.760 certainly I live around here in the big cities transforming 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:36.199 sort of more urban golf courses that or you know, 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:38.639 right on the outskirts that doing more sort of small 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:44.199 format things, and how we can just sort of, you know, 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.439 go about the small format stuff a little different. The 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:51.720 reversible stuff is really cool. The project we're doing it 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:55.400 at Edgar Town with the it's a nine hole course, 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:57.280 but we're building a second green very much in that 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.240 sort of Japanese style, so it can they have the 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:02.800 room for it, so they get two holes with only 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:05.800 one fairway, right, it's two greens and two approaches, but 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:08.879 everything else is shared, so you know, that's sort of 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.280 two courses in one thing. You might get in one 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:14.600 way at the loop you get a little bit different there. 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:17.520 You know. So I think nine holes is the right 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:18.640 amount of golf for. 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:23.160 A lot of people. For me, thirty six is barely 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:23.960 enough in a day. 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:26.520 So but I'm saying like in terms of like a 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:31.120 working professional, because nine you can like squeeze in right, 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:34.080 or four you can squeeze in yep. I think that's 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:37.479 the best benefit of being a member at a country 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:41.600 club is the ability to go play four holes versus. 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:44.719 I proposed something recently where there was what was it, 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:51.280 you and Chackleford, we're talking about it, and I was like, man, 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:53.960 you guys told my idea because I had this this 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:59.040 routing for redoing. You know, it was a proposed rerouting 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:01.159 for something. I was like, well, this place wants to 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:03.920 be like super family friendly. They have a residential component 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.240 to it. I was like, well, if you could kind 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:08.000 of reverse some of this, all of a sudden, you 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:09.679 could have a loop of four holes, a loop of 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:12.320